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A new SVD replacement rifle is being prepared for serial production

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A new SVD replacement rifle is being prepared for serial production

A new promising sniper rifle Chukavin (UHF), designed to replace the SVD, will go into series in the next two years. About this in an interview with RIA News said the chief designer of the Kalashnikov concern Sergey Urzhumtsev.


The new Chukavin sniper rifle (UHF) was developed by the Kalashnikov concern on the instructions of the Ministry of Defense to replace the already obsolete Dragunov sniper rifle (SVD). The microwave was first shown to the public in 2017 at the Army-2017 forum. The rifle was initially implemented in three calibers - 7,62x54R, 7,62x51 NATO (also known as .308 Win, weapon in this caliber is very popular on the international market), as well as .338 Lapua Magnum (8,6х70 mm). At the same time, the caliber 7,62x54R microwave rifle is fully compatible with stores from the famous SVD sniper rifle, which for many years remains the traditional sniper weapon of the Russian army.

The gun barrel allows the installation of silent flameless firing devices or muzzle brakes. The weapon is equipped with long Picatinny rails, on which you can mount additional attachments, including laser target designators and composite thermal sights.

Microwave length, depending on the version, ranges from 995 to 1015 millimeters, and the mass is 4,2 kilograms with an empty magazine and a mounted optical sight. The weapon is equipped with a barrel length of 410 millimeters. The microwave has an aiming range of 1200 meters.

The new rifle is designed to defeat enemy manpower at short and medium distances and can be used in combined arms combat. The small dimensions of the weapon allow the shooter to do without additional self-defense weapons, which increases his mobility. If necessary, the microwave can also be used in close combat. The microwave is designed to replace the technically and morally obsolete Dragoons sniper rifle of the 1963 model of the year in the armed forces - the famous SVD. At the same time, according to Urzhumtsev, other power structures express interest in the rifle.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 12 November 2019 10: 28 New
    +53
    These "SVD replacement rifles" appear almost every quarter.
    Specialists have them "in service" already about ten.
    But what will be in service with the ARMY - a question?
    It is the army! With which conscripts will run.
    So, the old SVD will survive more than one “rifle to replace the SVD”.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 10: 36 New
      +26
      Quote: Victor_B
      But what will be in service with the ARMY - a question?
      It is the army! With which conscripts will run.

      So he’ll go to the microwave series - then we’ll “see”. yes
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 12 November 2019 10: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Here goes to the microwave series

        And ORSIS and Lobaevskaya and Tula and TsNIItochmashevskaya.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 10: 42 New
          +11
          Quote: Victor_B
          And ORSIS and Lobaevskaya and Tula and TsNIItochmashevskaya

          Hinting at the situation with a machine gun and an army pistol? wink
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 12 November 2019 10: 44 New
            +16
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Hinting at the situation with a machine gun and an army pistol?

            No, it’s just real ALL for an army rifle order.
            "The winner gets everything!"
            But no one (including the customer) knows what should happen.
            TTD can be assumed.
            Self-loading (store one hundred pounds from SVD).
            The accuracy is higher than that of SVD (how much? "How fast to hang in grams?").
            Well and, traditionally, reliability! So that he emerges from a swamp (a dune, a snowdrift, a dunghill), shoots and dives again. The cycle repeats.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 11: 06 New
              +5
              Quote: Victor_B
              store one hundred pounds from SVD

              Yes, but you can use increased to 20 rounds.
              Quote: Victor_B
              The accuracy is higher than that of SVD (how much? "How fast to hang in grams?").

              By accuracy: dispersion per 100 m no more than 30 mm (i.e. 1 MOA).
              1. GKS 2111
                GKS 2111 12 November 2019 11: 17 New
                +3
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                but it is possible to use increased to 20 rounds.

                Why is there so much ammunition for a sniper? To repel an attack of a closed formation on a limited space of a theater of war? So there a machine gun is then needed, Pash ...

                Sorry, I could not resist ... wink
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 11: 21 New
                  +7
                  Quote: GKS 2111
                  Reflect the attack of a closed formation on a limited space of a theater of war? So there is a machine gun then needed

                  There was infa that for the IED-AS developed a store for 30 rounds. So it’s just in automatic shooting mode you can use it like a machine gun. That's just about accuracy is not sure. lol
                  Quote: GKS 2111
                  Sorry, I could not resist ...

                  Normul, just recently on the zomboyashchik "Chapaev" reviewed. good
                2. krops777
                  krops777 12 November 2019 12: 47 New
                  +7
                  Why is there so much ammunition for a sniper?


                  In motorized rifle units, the task of a sniper, for example, is not always to remove a single target from here and the number of rounds in a magazine.
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 12 November 2019 13: 39 New
                    +2
                    Quote: krops777
                    In motorized rifle units, the task of a sniper, for example, is not always to remove a single target from here and the number of rounds in a magazine.

                    The task of snipers in battle is to find and destroy fire the most important targets (enemy officers, observers, machine gun, mortar calculations, ATGM calculations, anti-sniper fighting, etc.).
                3. Sergey Obraztsov
                  Sergey Obraztsov 13 November 2019 19: 57 New
                  +5
                  IMHO it is better to think where to go than where to get ©
              2. Herman 4223
                Herman 4223 13 November 2019 07: 11 New
                +1
                It seems to me that such accuracy will not work, because the rifle to replace the SVD should be self-loading and light, and this just creates problems with the accuracy of the SVD. At SVD, if I'm not mistaken, the dispersion is about 2 moa
            2. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 12 November 2019 11: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: Victor_B
              TTD can be assumed.

              Assumptions - good
              A sighting range of up to 1500 m can be achieved by changing the caliber, although in large numbers (for conscripts, although which sniper from conscripts is only a contract soldier), 1200 m is enough. The main thing (presence) is silent and flameless shooting, optics and night sights ...
              And a firm belief that the mechanisms of the rifle will be as reliable as the SVD (AK).
              1. Victor_B
                Victor_B 12 November 2019 11: 40 New
                +8
                Quote: ROSS 42
                An aiming range of up to 1500 m can be achieved by changing the caliber, although in large numbers (for conscripts, although which sniper from conscripts is only a contract soldier), 1200 m is enough.

                Trim the sturgeon!
                On ... ... why should a soldier with an oar in the squad bullet for 1,5 km?
                For this, other "specially trained fighters and fighters" with another "tool" are intended.
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 12 November 2019 12: 35 New
                  +5
                  So you answered your question:
                  And ORSIS and Lobaevskaya and Tula and TsNIItochmashevskaya.

                  These are not for the "soldiers".
                  1. Victor_B
                    Victor_B 12 November 2019 12: 45 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    These are not for the "soldiers".

                    Well, do they really not want to get an order for ... eleven thousand army snipers?
                    There is no sweeter dream for a real gunsmith.
                2. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 12 November 2019 13: 04 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Victor_B
                  Trim the sturgeon!
                  On ... ... why a soldier with an oar in the squad bullet for 1,5 km?

                  For ... .... the fact that if you fight with an oar and conscripts, the effect of such a war is known in advance.
                  I can offer you (myself) to look for historical facts when the greater range of destruction from small arms played a decisive role in victory in battles. A soldier with a “paddle” that hits 1 meters on target will be somewhat more confident than an opponent with a “paddle at 500” ...
                  True, I have already expressed my opinion about snipers - these should be contract professionals, and not boys taken into training for 1 year ...
                  soldier
                  1. Deck
                    Deck 13 November 2019 10: 56 New
                    +3
                    To recognize and hit the target at 1500 meters, the soldier will need: a fast aperture of at least x25 magnification and the corresponding consumption of vertical corrections, a laser range finder, a digital weather station with an anemometer, a ballistic calculator and a second number with a telescope with a lens diameter of at least 60 mm for correction and target designation. The accuracy of the rifle is not more than 0,5 arcminute and high-quality sniper cartridges. Reliable and tough bipod. And an annual shot of at least 5000 shots (two "burnt" barrels).
                    Any conscript laughing
                3. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 13 November 2019 07: 19 New
                  +1
                  Aiming range does not mean that targets can be hit at that range. The SVD has an impact range of 1300 meters, and a range of 800.
            3. Doliva63
              Doliva63 12 November 2019 17: 26 New
              +5
              Quote: Victor_B
              Quote: bouncyhunter
              Hinting at the situation with a machine gun and an army pistol?

              No, it’s just real ALL for an army rifle order.
              "The winner gets everything!"
              But no one (including the customer) knows what should happen.
              TTD can be assumed.
              Self-loading (store one hundred pounds from SVD).
              The accuracy is higher than that of SVD (how much? "How fast to hang in grams?").
              Well and, traditionally, reliability! So that he emerges from a swamp (a dune, a snowdrift, a dunghill), shoots and dives again. The cycle repeats.

              That is, as a result, again SVD? laughing
        2. Berkut24
          Berkut24 12 November 2019 11: 56 New
          +2
          And ORSIS and Lobaevskaya and Tula and TsNIItochmashevskaya.

          There is still a problem with ORSIS. MO requires 100% of components from Russia. But in ORSIS there is still import. And so a good machine.
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 12 November 2019 10: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Here it goes to the microwave series - then "we will see"

        Pasha, hello! Nothing will be better than the Mosin 3 line.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 11: 00 New
          +14
          Hi Kolya ! hi
          Quote: Amurets
          Nothing will be better than Mosinsky 3-line

          Old does not mean bad. This applies to SVD. Yes, ergonomics are not "ice", but I never complained about my "oar". yes
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 12 November 2019 11: 25 New
            +11
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Old does not mean bad.

            Pasha! I agree. There are masterpieces still not surpassed. For example, the machine gun "Maxim" for the dot installation. At the end of the 90s of the XX century, I was surprised to see how, during the disarmament of our UR, Maxims were pulled out of some bunkers. Because of the water cooling of the barrel, they turned out to be indispensable in the old bunkers, in which a water cooling system for weapons was equipped.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 11: 29 New
              +11
              Yes, I somehow stumbled on the Internet on a series of broadcasts about bunkers, so fucking awesome. Sorry, the link is not saved.
              Z.Y. Who is it that actively minuses you and for what? Because you protect the good old weapons? wink
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 12 November 2019 12: 27 New
                +8
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Yes, I somehow stumbled on the Internet on a series of broadcasts about bunkers, so fucking awesome. Sorry, the link is not saved.

                Pasha! Well, let them be minus if it gives them pleasure. And now, as they say closer to the body. if interested in this subject. A very interesting portal "Northern Fortress" - a lot of interesting.http: //www.nortfort.ru/
                Three fortification collections "Fortress Russia" are also interesting. They are available for download. For you, number 3 will probably be interesting. In it how the “Voroshilov Battery” was built, and most importantly about the “Minsk UR”
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 12: 29 New
                  +5
                  Thanks for the link and info, friend! good drinks
          2. 210ox
            210ox 12 November 2019 11: 32 New
            +7
            pasha hi SVD is like a Kalashnikov assault rifle. And it will be replaced very soon in the army. I understand for specialists where you need a hundred or two modern rifles with new optics. And how can a soldier be trained in a new complex during the time that he is released on the line?
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 11: 37 New
              +9
              Hello Dima ! hi As I think: if the microwave is a replacement for the SVD, then it is unlikely to be more difficult to master the latter. And with SVD, having on your shoulders not an empty bowler hat, but a head and hands sharpened at the right angle, it’s not so difficult to get comfortable. soldier
              1. 210ox
                210ox 12 November 2019 11: 41 New
                +4
                I agree if it is simple, super reliable with good optics. Pasha, can you leave me in the mail?
          3. parkello
            parkello 12 November 2019 11: 42 New
            +5
            oh well right oar winked . I generally had an M-1 Guarantor. recourse Well, not a musket ... but in general I’m slandering in vain. her accuracy and flatness were decent .and the rifle cartridge 30-06 Springfield. It was bad that the clip was inserted from above.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 12: 30 New
              +5
              hi
              Quote: parkello
              oh well right oar

              So many in the army call SVD. yes
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 12 November 2019 17: 07 New
                +3
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                So many in the army call SVD

                It was a "paddle" will now become a "microwave". Our people are much more likely to give names. In the fishing fleet, the RS-300 was called the Cheburashka, and the STR (seiner-trawler) was called the Cossack.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 12 November 2019 11: 19 New
          +8
          Quote: Amurets
          Pasha, hello! Nothing will be better than the Mosin 3 line.

          No matter what they say, nobody has yet canceled the Mosin 3 line, and she still has to live for a long time. And the children do not have to minus Nicholas, this rifle began life in the hands of my grandfather in the 1904 year of the Japanese War and lived in my hands until the 1979 year in the river, and now lives.
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 12 November 2019 14: 48 New
            +1
            Of course, for post-shootings it’s possible to show off something like a tiger, but for the soul it’s definitely necessary to use the mosquito, also with that optics, I had a chance to hold it for a long time, and immediately fell in love with it very much.
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 12 November 2019 17: 39 New
              +3
              Quote: Incvizitor
              but for the soul, it’s definitely necessary to use the mosquito, also with that optics,

              Exactly, I pick up KO-44, all worries go away, my mood rises, Beauty.
              1. Incvizitor
                Incvizitor 12 November 2019 18: 46 New
                +2
                This is not the same
          2. Doliva63
            Doliva63 12 November 2019 17: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Amurets
            Pasha, hello! Nothing will be better than the Mosin 3 line.

            No matter what they say, nobody has yet canceled the Mosin 3 line, and she still has to live for a long time. And the children do not have to minus Nicholas, this rifle began life in the hands of my grandfather in the 1904 year of the Japanese War and lived in my hands until the 1979 year in the river, and now lives.

            In the 90th, in Baku, she also served well. Further - I do not know.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 12 November 2019 11: 08 New
      +2
      Self-loading alone .... and a modernized SVD. They wrote that they took the barrel from the SV-98, a heavier one.
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 12 November 2019 11: 38 New
      0
      Less article for lack of photo
      1. bouncyhunter
        bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 12: 07 New
        +10
        Here in the caliber 8,6X70 mm (.338 Lapua Magnum) with a magazine for 10 rounds:

        Here in the caliber is 7,62X51 mm (.308 Win) with a magazine for 20 rounds:

        Here in the caliber 7,62X54R mm with a magazine from the SVD for 10 rounds:
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 12 November 2019 12: 39 New
          +3
          Pash, our cartridge with a rim, but not NATO. It turns out that there are changes in the design. How will they prove themselves? Is it critical?
          1. bouncyhunter
            bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 12: 44 New
            +5
            Hardly critical, Lesha, hello! hi Another barrel, another bolt group. SVD showed itself excellently for many years of operation.
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 12 November 2019 12: 49 New
              +2
              Hi Pash. Here I am talking about. SVD - cartridge with a rim. Or ours for export the model under the NATO cartridge was bunged? Butting hard in this segment.
              1. bouncyhunter
                bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 12: 54 New
                +3
                Quote: Okolotochny
                Or ours for export the model under the NATO cartridge was bunged?

                It is for export, I think. Plus a civilized version for hunters. This, I hope, will be cheaper than that of competitors and will help to snatch your piece of the market. But this is purely my speculation, and what they conceived at the top of the Kalashnikov only they know. yes
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 12 November 2019 13: 36 New
          0
          Thank you kind man
    4. Sailor
      Sailor 12 November 2019 12: 51 New
      +1
      With a short barrel of 410 mm, it looks more like an export version of some kind ... For short distances, specialists have a silent screw cutter, for medium ones, I hope there will be ORSIS, for super-specialists, probably Lobaev. And what is it - a Marxman with accuracy at the level of FN SCAR? What for???
    5. senima56
      senima56 12 November 2019 13: 08 New
      +5
      "These" SVD replacement rifles "appear almost every quarter ..." It looks like the situation with the "PM replacement!" Is an endless theme !!!
    6. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 12 November 2019 17: 47 New
      +2
      So SVD and did based on conscripts - a month studying, two fights and ffse. Personally, my opinion is SVD, there is no sniper in its purest form. This is a rifle for a Marxman who goes in the advancing circuit or in defense and works on important targets at a range of 550 - 600 meters. Even the "Mosya" even had a sighting range of 800 m.
  2. Operator
    Operator 12 November 2019 10: 36 New
    +4
    "Chukavin’s sniper rifle (UHF), designed to replace the SVD, will go into production in the next two years. This was told in an interview to RIA Novosti by the chief designer of the Kalashnikov concern Sergey Urzhumtsev", - and maybe it won’t go if the Americans switch to the 6,8x51 mm caliber according to the results of the NGSW contest.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 12 November 2019 11: 02 New
      +4
      The key questions are the “if” will go, and what's the point of sculpting a sniper under an American cartridge?
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 12 November 2019 11: 08 New
      +4
      If you believe the article, the screw already has a mod. 8,6 * 70, it’s filmed under a different caliber, probably.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 12 November 2019 12: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Operator
      or it may not go if the Americans switch to a caliber of 6,8x51 mm according to the results of the NGSW contest.

      This is a controversial issue, and I believe that no one will remodel it under the American cartridge, if only because the very use of such rifles is even limited in our aircraft.
      But the fact that the new model is completely unified by cartridge and magazine with SVD is a great advantage, and this will greatly facilitate the provision of ammunition in the troops.
      No matter how good the SVD is, scientific and technological progress does not stand still, and the fact that we do not know all the advantages of the new model does not mean that it does not exceed the sniper rifles in service. For example, the cost of production, the use of new lightweight materials, accuracy of fire and the life of the product - this can determine the adoption of the microwave.
      1. Operator
        Operator 12 November 2019 13: 34 New
        +3
        I do not mean that the microwave will have an export version for Sheffield 6,8x51 mm, but that we will have to develop a functional analogue of this cartridge to ensure penetration at 100 / 300 meters (depending on the core material) of the army armor vest of the highest protection class.

        A week ago, the deputy director general of Rostec announced the start of work in the field of new small arms and ammunition.
  3. Operator
    Operator 12 November 2019 10: 51 New
    +6
    Quote: Victor_B
    And ORSIS and Lobaevskaya and Tula and TsNIItochmashevskaya

    And the Moscow arms company (Mytishchi MO):
    Caliber: 300 Win. Short mag
    Accuracy less than 0,2 MOA.
    Group: Stiller Tac 30 20 MOA
    Barrel: Stainless steel 20 'brushed 21 mm in cut
    Slicing Pitch: 10
    DTC: Vais type with transition cone
    Lodge: Species carbon
    Descent: Timney
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 12 November 2019 11: 12 New
      0
      300 Win. Short Mag ........ and if the pitch of the barrel cut 10 (it is not clear why). then this system is known for game
  4. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 12 November 2019 10: 52 New
    +4
    One hundred percent microwave microwave call))

    Let's see how quickly Dragunova replaces. Of particular interest is the version with .338 Lapua Magnum, especially for hunting people))
    1. parkello
      parkello 12 November 2019 11: 54 New
      0
      The SVD is a good rifle, and it is unlikely to succeed in replacing it. as an addition to it, no matter where else it went. substitute -I understand this from the Russian trilinear to 338 Lapua. there is something to replace, cartridge 338 is more serious. but change to the same cartridge .. I don’t see the point. but the microwave for example uses all types of bullets, or shoots only sniper for sure .. in the sense of 0,5 ang. min?
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 12 November 2019 13: 46 New
        0
        Quote: parkello
        but the microwave for example uses all types of bullets, or only shoots sniper

        it makes no sense, because on the front end you can’t always find the target ones, so the bullet should be 7,62x54 by the whole nomenclature.
        1. parkello
          parkello 12 November 2019 13: 53 New
          +2
          so it must be fired by the whole nomenclature. another thing is how ..?! at 200 m will the bullets start tumbling or were they given the opportunity to fly nose forward? the fact is that if the twist is reduced to 305 mm on the SVD. it will be a very accurate rifle, but it will not shoot lighter bullets for sure. such as MZ. Tracer, BB and armor-piercing incendiary. she’ll shoot them, but getting there where over 200m was aimed is already from the section of unscientific fiction. and a sniper needs all types of bullets in his arsenal. from here the legs begin ... or rather, where they grow from.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 12 November 2019 10: 52 New
    +5
    Quote: bouncyhunter
    Quote: Victor_B
    But what will be in service with the ARMY - a question?
    It is the army! With which conscripts will run.

    So he’ll go to the microwave series - then we’ll “see”. yes

    hello Pasha soldier
    I somehow stand aside from this topic ... only army life leads to such a rule that what is important, among other things, is reliability! Of course, now nobody can afford to slide down to the most reliable primitive at the "bast" level, but if there are any stray things from army weapons, it should be ... and then it all comes down to one definition, RELIABILITY!
    1. GKS 2111
      GKS 2111 12 November 2019 10: 58 New
      +5
      Yes, they said everything correctly, Victor Gennadievich-RELIABILITY is a priori the most important component of any weapon, whether it is a gun or a rocket .. And in the dispute of many manufacturers for the role of supplier of a sniper army rifle, anyone can winAnd ORSIS and Lobaevskaya and Tula and TsNIItochmashevskaya ....as Viktor Petrovich said above ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 November 2019 11: 14 New
        +5
        Time is such that replacing the obsolete one requires ...
        It’s too early to talk about efficiency, it’s only real operation that can show / prove, but show the prospective adversary that the answer to his “twists” will certainly arrive, worthy, never harmful, so that he doesn’t harbor extra illusions!
        Of course, it is necessary to prove by deed, but if it does not reach the real point, then it will be better for everyone.
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 11: 25 New
      +6
      Salute, Victor! soldier
      In terms of microwave accuracy, I already said higher (an important indicator for a sniper / Marxman rifle). And the reliability of this rifle is unknown to me, but the fact that she was born in Kalashnikov inspires a strong hope for reliability. bully
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 November 2019 11: 42 New
        +4
        Operation will show if it comes to it.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 11: 46 New
          +5
          I really hope that it does come ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 November 2019 11: 56 New
            +3
            This is not a substitute for mastery, it will simply help to perform tasks in difficult conditions, this is a fact.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 11: 59 New
              +4
              Quote: rocket757
              Mastery is not a substitute for

              Absolutely to the point! good Whatever you give to Krivorukov and bananomozlomom - anyway a piece of iron. yes
              But the weapon does not shoot itself, but at the expense of the settlement-suggestive prefix. wink
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 12 November 2019 13: 01 New
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Operation will show if it comes to it.

          If it is accepted for service according to the results of the State Tests, then it’s impossible to talk about any operation - it will be followed by the Order of the Ministry of Defense for adoption, and only then, during the long-term operation, when all complaints and wishes are summarized, then they will finalize or modernize as By the way, it was with the same Kalashnikov assault rifle.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 November 2019 13: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: ccsr
            If it will be adopted according to the results of the State Tests, then it’s impossible to talk about any exploitation.

            If I had in mind the trial operation, which precedes the adoption into service, I would have written. During long-term military operation, the jambs, if any, also appear ... here they will be corrected, if possible.
            In fact, it happened differently, the weapon that passed all the checks did not take root in the troops ... then his age, as a rule, was long \ not long, it happens differently.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 12 November 2019 13: 22 New
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              If I had in mind the trial operation, which precedes the adoption into service, I would have written.

              What makes you think that "trial operation" is an essential element in adopting armaments and military equipment? It can only be when both parties determine in advance that at the design stage that adoption can take place according to the results of experienced JOINT operation, but this is done, as a rule, for unique and expensive equipment, and a sniper rifle does not .
              Quote: rocket757
              During long-term military operation, the jambs, if any, also appear ... here they will be corrected, if possible.

              Of course it is possible - at least in Soviet times, modernization of weapons and military equipment was planned in about 5-10 years according to the results of exploitation in the troops. I think now the Ministry of Defense is allocating money for this, because it is cheaper than developing a new model.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 12 November 2019 13: 40 New
                +2
                Quote: ccsr
                Where did you get that "trial operation" is a must

                Purely from personal experience ... with rifles and other small ones, I just used what was tested for a long time.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 12 November 2019 13: 46 New
                  0
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Purely from personal experience ...

                  Have you been a gas customer or just come across this?
                  Well then, you probably understand that not all defense ministry structures can be admitted to industry, and even the industry itself has all the hemorrhoids with trial operation as a sickle in one place. So what they are supposed to do according to GOST, they will do, and let the commission decide, based on the results of the State Tests, give a recommendation for adoption and serial production, or send it to the archive - this was in the old days, and it was justified. Now the situation is unlikely to be different, that's why I think that there will be no “trial operation”.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 14 New
                    +2
                    In civilian life, they made products for my former colleagues ... participated in the manufacture and maintenance of the product for a long time. The product was new and was finalized during testing, and then operation.
                    That was normal practice for us ... it was a long time ago.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 12 November 2019 18: 55 New
                      +1
                      Quote: rocket757
                      The product was new and was finalized during testing, and then operation.

                      But not a small product, which should be mass-produced - you will not deny it.
                      I also came across a joint trial operation, but this was not with serial samples.
                      So it’s unlikely that anyone would now think of sending a new sniper rifle to the troops for trial operation - this is simply stupid, if only because all the tests can be carried out at the manufacturer.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 12 November 2019 19: 11 New
                        +3
                        Quote: ccsr
                        But not a small product, which should be mass-produced - you will not deny it.

                        Not a shooter, much more, much more complicated.
    3. Demon_is_ada
      Demon_is_ada 12 November 2019 13: 54 New
      +3
      Victor hi Will you accept my five cents? repeat Reliability is not subject to discussion, as well as the simplicity of the design, because everything is brilliantly simple. There’s also a cartridge, I think that a defeat should be provided at the effective effective range, we must take into account that everything is in the bronics. At a distance of 300m you can still get into the head, then only along the growth, and then the armor what And what's the point of exposing a sniper? But stupidity is equal to the Americans, they have their own priorities - chasing Aboriginal people, they try not to fight with a strong opponent, and we have nowhere to go, and we never chased Aboriginal people because we have something to do without it ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 12 November 2019 14: 27 New
        +1
        Dmitriy soldier
        Quote: Demon_is_ada
        And the stupidity is equal to the Americans, they have their own priorities - the persecution of natives,

        Recently I read Temko ... competition of SNIPERS, army!
        The Yankees, and many Gayropeyskie, are fully equipped and the masters have cool ... only it’s painful to hope \ tuned in their technique! So in fact, if the situation changes, harmful factors manifest themselves and prevent them from “doing work” as if they were under a protocol, they SHOULD FULL! They are not competitors to our army team when there is dirt, stench, dust, fog and everything else around, without which a real battle is complete! That is, if not as almost as a dash, this is not their battlefield.
        They have, of course, master cowboys who, like ours, can get a “leveler” in two seconds and pull it out of their holster, hitting the target ... but this is absolutely a “piece goods” !!!
        So it turns out, but what in fact is needed in a battle, more reliable, that it is usually much simpler, not hung up with all sorts of bells and whistles, or a cool twist that can "float" in a battle from not knowing what, all of a sudden ???
        1. Demon_is_ada
          Demon_is_ada 12 November 2019 14: 53 New
          +3
          That's it, one more factor, dimensions, or length, in order not to have to carry more weapons, by the way, this is indicated in the article. Bullpup is the only way to reduce length and the ability to fire bursts. The inconvenience of reloading does not matter here, the sniper is not a machine gunner, you can add a store of increased capacity to the zip. In my opinion, they’ve done garbage, we need a new field sniper rifle, and specialists can also afford piece weapons, there are not so many of them on the planet ... Here is such an assumption.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 12 November 2019 15: 00 New
            +4
            In this case, only specialists, "users" can dot all E.
            Not in the subject, only from the outside I can reason.
            We were once taught, but there were many, many more calibers, and then I was trained on other equipment.
            My limit, this is Kalash ... now there’s "talked" with him denser nowhere. savior, in a word.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 12 November 2019 19: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: Demon_is_ada
            In my opinion, they’ve done garbage, we need a new field sniper rifle, and specialists can also afford unit weapons,

            I agree with this division - first of all, you need to understand what the whole series will be and then it will be necessary to decide whether it will be needed or not, and piece weapons are certainly not for our army.
            I don’t agree about the “bullshit” - until it is fully tested and comparative tests are conducted, it’s premature to say that it is not better than SVD.
            1. Demon_is_ada
              Demon_is_ada 12 November 2019 20: 02 New
              +2
              As for the garbage - I’m not in the sense, technically it’s very, I’m talking about the concept, the idea ... Imagine an infantry platoon, half with a half with a field rifle, the effectiveness of the defeat increases many times in any version - positional, it is worth sticking your head out and hello, the failure of birds and other nonsense that are at the forefront, when attacking the enemy from a greater distance, you can conduct effective fire, when approaching, switch to automatic quickly removing the sight or replacing it. The only way to increase accuracy and punching action is the length of the barrel, the easiest way to decide a lot of factors, but the inconvenience of using it in the trench cancels everything ...
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 13 November 2019 11: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Demon_is_ada
                Imagine an infantry platoon, half ak half with a field rifle,

                I can’t imagine, because as far as I understand, there should be one sniper in the department, and it makes no sense to keep them anymore.
                Quote: Demon_is_ada
                The only way to increase accuracy and punching action is the barrel length,

                An increase in the charge of the cartridge, as well as a higher quality treatment of the inner surface of the barrel will give an increase in the initial velocity of the bullet, and this also leads to an increase in accuracy and punching action.
                Quote: Demon_is_ada
                but the inconvenience of using it in the trench crosses out everything ...

                Therefore, they came to the conclusion that it is necessary to reduce the length of the sniper rifle - as I understand it.
                1. Demon_is_ada
                  Demon_is_ada 13 November 2019 11: 54 New
                  0
                  On the first point - a sniper with a small number of castes, a sniper with a karamultuk - a rare bird, therefore, one in the department, and when they wrote the charter, the reality was a bit different than now.
                  2. Charge - cost, return, barrel resource, barrel processing - price and cost ... increase in barrel length - a slight increase in cost, the same cartridge so that savings laughing
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 13 November 2019 12: 06 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Demon_is_ada
                    On the first point - a sniper with a svd small caste,

                    Do not forget that now we have 340 thousand people serving in the Russian Guard, and they will also need such a rifle, and maybe even more than in our Ground Forces. Those. this production will not be so small-scale, which means it makes sense to invest in a new development.
                    Quote: Demon_is_ada
                    price and cost.

                    This is generally irrelevant, because the cost of all sniper rifles is unlikely to exceed the cost of one warship for the Navy. But the sale abroad of such products will reduce its cost for our army. So I believe that the concern will not suffer a loss, and the country too, because it is a necessary and demanded thing in connection with a new type of military operations according to the Syrian scenario.
  6. rudolff
    rudolff 12 November 2019 10: 54 New
    +19
    Microwave barrel 410 mm, the barrel of the SVD 550 mm. TTX doubt.
    1. jonht
      jonht 12 November 2019 11: 25 New
      +1
      They can catch up reinforced with gunpowder in the cartridge, but here again the barrel survivability ....
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 11: 33 New
      +5
      hi
      Quote: rudolff
      Microwave barrel 410 mm, the barrel of the SVD 550 mm. TTX doubt.

      Microwave in the caliber 7,62 may have trunks 410, 460, 565 mm. In caliber 8,6 - 560 mm.
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 12 November 2019 12: 27 New
        +4
        Are there any images with "long" trunks? 410 mm, as I understand it, migrated from the ICS?
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 12 November 2019 12: 49 New
          +3
          I posted a photo above. There in caliber 7,62 mm with 460 mm trunks.
  7. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 12 November 2019 11: 03 New
    +2
    Microwave length, depending on the version, ranges from 995 to 1015 millimeters, and the mass is 4,2 kilograms with an empty magazine and a mounted optical sight. The weapon is equipped with a barrel length of 410 millimeters. The microwave has an aiming range of 1200 meters.
    The data is not bad of course, and the weight is acceptable, and the range is good. But what are the accuracy, scatter, resource, etc. But the main thing is when, after all, this is an army "screw", a long time ago a new desperately needed. Or again, like the story of AN-2. Already the "pilot model" is ready and wait by the end of the year we will fill up with products, and for how many years we have been eating only breakfasts, but we somehow forgot about lunch.
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 12 November 2019 11: 31 New
      0
      3 options for microwave seem to be already released. Information on the link below.
      What is a microwave 308 rifle - the characteristics are given below:

      Alternative designation of ICS;
      Developer and project manager - Andrei Yurievich Chukavin;
      Manufacturer - Kalashnikov Concern JSC
      Type - sniper weapon;
      System - a self-loading rifle with a longitudinally sliding rotary bolt;
      Gauges: 7,62 x 54 mm and 7,62 x 51 mm;
      Weight 4,2 kg;
      Length: 955-1015 mm, 740 mm with the stock folded, barrel 410 mm;
      Accuracy 30 mm per 100 m (1MOA);
      Capacity 10, 15 and 20 rounds;
      Optical sight, Picatinny rail MIL-STD-1913.

      https://nowifi.ru/oruzhie/ognestrelnoe/129-vintovka-svch.html
  8. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 12 November 2019 11: 05 New
    +5
    even the number of rifling of the trunk and their pitch are not indicated. but the picatini bar is already a brand, only the lazy do not drool at the word "picatini". so, another junk
  9. Elephant
    Elephant 12 November 2019 11: 13 New
    0
    Weight 300 gr. less than SVD, already progress! Although the new barrel length is significantly shorter, and therefore the characteristics should theoretically be worse.
  10. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 12 November 2019 11: 13 New
    +3
    Here, by the way, how are things with the closest "sworn friends" with sniper rifles ...
    Zokrem, nearly 600 sniper guards of the caliber of 7,62-mm UAR-10 and UAR-008;
    Translated, it sounds that about 2019 sniper rifles were adopted by the ZSU in 600. They are already replacing SVD.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 12 November 2019 11: 13 New
    +5
    The microwave length, depending on the version, ranges from 995 to 1015 millimeters, and the mass is 4,2 kilograms with an empty magazine and a mounted optical sight.
    The length is even shorter than the SVD, comparable in weight. We’ll see in two years whether it will really go into production and begin to enter service?
    1. Per se.
      Per se. 12 November 2019 13: 19 New
      +9
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The length is even shorter than the SVD, comparable in weight.

      The SVD barrel has a length of 550 millimeters; the microwave shaft has an 410 barrel. You can’t get physics and ballistics anywhere, no high-tech "radial pressing" can change this situation. The Dragunov rifle allows operation even with severe contamination of the trigger mechanism, while remaining very reliable and tenacious. The microwave trigger mechanism suspended in the receiver requires close attention and care.

      In general, the microwave has many analogues abroad, but in Western armies such weapons are not classified as sniper in the usual sense of the word. Such weapons belong to high-precision rifles, for shooters in infantry battle formations, they are often called "Marxman". So who is the new rifle for? If it is clearly not for the destruction of long-range goals, but for the "Marxans", then how is it better than SVD? To shoot one in the shooting gallery, another in the mud. Yes, a definite plus of the microwave, it is the convenience of care and cleaning, for access to the trigger device it is enough to break the box. Also, when disassembling, the optics mounted on top will never fail, therefore, there is no need to control the accuracy of the shot after cleaning. Otherwise, "any-expensive", anyway, this is SVD, expensive, this is a microwave. If for the civilian market and export, then we can understand that for the army weapons of the "Markmans", in which it seems to be asking for its characteristics, the microwave is in doubt. Think about it, if the rifle is for short and medium range, for infantry battle formations, not for the pros ...
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 12 November 2019 11: 17 New
    +2
    I still did not understand why it is better than SVD, and if not better, then what's the point in this hectic?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 12 November 2019 11: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: Ros 56
      I still did not understand why it is better than SVD, and if not better, then what's the point in this hectic?

      But nothing! just someone will saw something. As far as I remember, SVD has quite a few modifications of SVDS, SVDK chambered for 9,3 * 64, SVDM and there is also SVU with a magazine located behind the pistol grip.
      Does the new “screw” have so many modifications?
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 12 November 2019 11: 47 New
        +1
        Modifications of the microwave.
        Microwave sniper rifle characteristics

        length: 995-1015 mm
        weight: 4,2 kg
        declared sighting range: 1200 m
        barrel length: 410 mm
        caliber: 7,62 and 8,6 mm
        scattering at a distance of 100 m: 30 mm
        cartridge type: 7,62x54 mm, 7,62x51 mm and 8,6x70 mm (.338)
        Modifications

        The rifle can be made in three versions, depending on the type of cartridge used.

        The base model has a store identical to the SVD. Its capacity is 10 rounds. There are stores of increased capacity - 15 or 20 rounds.



        The second modification is under the cartridge of 7,62x51 caliber. This is the world's most popular rifle ammunition. Structurally, the rifle is different receiver store. The capacity of the store is like that of a domestic one.

        The third modification is chambered for .338 or 8,6x70 millimeters. It has a larger receiver, as well as an elongated barrel and another muzzle brake. The bolt group in this model is also changed under the cartridge. The total length of this modification is greater and amounts to 1015 mm.

        It is interesting to know: the new rifle is the initiative development of the Kalashnikov Concern.

        https://www.armoury-online.ru/articles/sr/ru/svch/
        1. Operator
          Operator 12 November 2019 12: 19 New
          +1
          It is not a matter of modifications, but of the microwave configuration, which differs from the SVD by a significantly greater accuracy (at the 1 level of angular minute) due to its layout - the so-called curtain design: the top of the receiver (curtain with guides for the bolt frame) is rigidly connected to the barrel, so the sights mounted on the massive aim bar do not lead during firing, unlike the side bracket on the SVD.

          Dismantling of the microwave is carried out by “breaking” the upper and lower parts of the receiver. At the same time, the top of the box is made of steel, and the bottom is of a lighter aluminum alloy, due to which weight reduction is achieved compared to SVD.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 12 November 2019 17: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: Operator
            It is not a matter of modifications, but of the microwave configuration, which differs from the SVD by a significantly greater accuracy (at the 1 level of angular minute) due to its layout - the so-called curtain design: the top of the receiver (curtain with guides for the bolt frame) is rigidly connected to the barrel, so the sights mounted on the massive aim bar do not lead during firing, unlike the side bracket on the SVD.

            Dismantling of the microwave is carried out by “breaking” the upper and lower parts of the receiver. At the same time, the top of the box is made of steel, and the bottom is of a lighter aluminum alloy, due to which weight reduction is achieved compared to SVD.

            At its range, the SVD is accurate enough, much more and why? The more technologically advanced, the more expensive - but is it necessary in case of war? And if there will be no war, all the more so? I think that it makes sense to replace the weapons of the USSR only with some breakthrough models that will entail changes in the tactics of battle. Such are not yet visible.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 12 November 2019 13: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          It is interesting to know: the new rifle is the initiative development of the Kalashnikov Concern.

          This is not entirely pleasant news, because "initiative developments" are carried out when the gas supply agent represented by the Ministry of Defense does not consider it necessary to develop a new product, and does not order R&D. But in principle, there is nothing criminal in it, because the management of the concern is confident in its development and most likely has the views to sell abroad its new sniper rifle, once they lay down three modifications at the development stage. Thus, they do not depend on the money of the Ministry of Defense, and can independently promote their business interests in other countries, which eliminates the agreement with the General Customer. In any case, they will not go broke in the production of these products.
  13. Igorpl
    Igorpl 12 November 2019 11: 29 New
    -1
    And she will not be called a microwave?
  14. nnz226
    nnz226 12 November 2019 11: 30 New
    +5
    "Prepare for serial production"! The chicken is perched, the eggs are in the tail, and now they are selling chickens with might and main! Start supplying the rifle to the troops, and then just crow!
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 12 November 2019 23: 52 New
      0
      The rooster “crowed”, and then at least “don't blossom” ... send the microwave from the beginning to Syria (especially when everything was decided there (Syria)), check how it behaves in battle, how it is better to use it (microwave) and so on and so on TP, and then think about accepting - do not accept ...
  15. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 12 November 2019 11: 43 New
    +5
    Time will show how the microwave will prove itself. The old SVD adequately proved its suitability. I agree that over the past decades it is necessary to update the capabilities of small arms.
  16. shinobi
    shinobi 12 November 2019 12: 09 New
    +3
    Infuse the construction with your hands, discard it with a couple of hundred rounds, and here we will draw conclusions. And so, fortune telling on the clouds about tomorrow's weather.
  17. madrobot
    madrobot 12 November 2019 12: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    One hundred percent microwave microwave call


    Hardly too long. rather a candle.
    1. Freeman
      Freeman 12 November 2019 12: 30 New
      0
      Quote: madrobot
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      One hundred percent microwave microwave call


      Hardly too long. rather a candle.


      Or, distorting the name of the designer - “dude” (Chukavin → “dude”). winked

      Threat. According to one version, the word "dude" came from a gypsy language from the word čavothat translates as "your boyfriend."
  18. Denimax
    Denimax 12 November 2019 12: 18 New
    0
    With a shortened barrel it can go like an attack. Interestingly, is it modular?
  19. bistrov.
    bistrov. 12 November 2019 14: 25 New
    0
    The barrel is short, only 41 cm. Subtract the length of the cartridge and what remains? Even the Mosin carbine, which is designed for shooting at 400 m, but actually at 200-300, has a barrel length of 50,8 cm. And here an aiming range of up to 1200 meters is stated. Strongly doubtful. Moreover, such powerful cartridges. The plow will be deafening, and the return will be healthy, what "brakes" do not put. I had to shoot from the Mosin shotgun with a barrel length of 26 cm, deafening to the ringing in the ears.
  20. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 12 November 2019 14: 38 New
    0
    It would be nice if the strips were removable so that if you do not need them at the moment, you don’t have to carry extra weight on the rifle, of course, each weighs a little, but all together I will be under a pound.
  21. Obliterator
    Obliterator 12 November 2019 21: 18 New
    +1
    I am shocked with local comments. Listen to them, so since the 60s they haven’t come up with normal weapons. Mosinka in the 21st century generally laughs, or simply poverty. Collectors and hunters have their place now, but not in the army. Not, well, if you think that it’s better than Mosinki, AKM, SVD and PM, in principle, our shooting industry is not able to give, then for God's sake, disperse all these design bureaus to hell. The modern conscripts whom you are so afraid to arm with at least something modern are by no means uneducated peasants of the first half of the XNUMXth century. If the army officers are not capable of yesterday’s schoolchild who has mastered the school course in mathematics, or a university graduate in those. specialties, to teach how to clean a rifle and how to read corrections for shooting according to simple formulas, then it’s not necessary to scold the soldiers, but to improve the training system or to expel unsuitable personnel. You can minus heartily soul to soul - it makes no difference to me.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 13 November 2019 11: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Obliterator
      The modern conscripts whom you are so afraid to arm with at least something modern are by no means uneducated peasants of the first half of the XNUMXth century.

      I’ll have to disappoint you, but it’s almost impossible to make a good sniper out of a conscript with an annual service life - for this you need to serve him at least a couple of years, and it's not a fact that he will become one. That's why a sniper should be a contractor - this is my personal opinion, based on my own experience in training class specialists during the 2-year fixed-term service.

      Quote: Obliterator
      If the army officers are not capable of yesterday’s schoolchild who has mastered the school course in mathematics, or a university graduate in those. specialties, to teach how to clean a rifle and how to read corrections for shooting according to simple formulas,

      Firstly, it is impossible for a sniper to prepare even a university graduate for a year, if only because there is simply not enough time for him to master shooting in the winter and summer training periods at any time of the day and fire the required number of shots.
      Secondly, you should not think that the sniper capabilities of a soldier are determined by knowledge of mathematics, because physical endurance and skill in a fixed position are sometimes much more important than quick wits.
      So before you advise anyone and how to cook, at least talk to those who were involved in training conscripts in various military specialties.
      That is why, in my opinion, real snipers should be prepared for years, and not for one year of military service, although they are unique among conscripts.
      1. Obliterator
        Obliterator 13 November 2019 14: 12 New
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        I’ll have to disappoint you, but it’s almost impossible to make a good sniper out of a conscript with an annual service life - for this you need to serve him at least a couple of years, and it's not a fact that he will become one.

        He is able to master the basic course in the specialty. For a draftee who is not going to further connect his life with the service, this is enough. Here we are talking primarily about the development of weapons, and not about the development of the tactical subtleties of the sniper profession. Microwave is certainly not so difficult to use subject that his person who has gone through school or university is not able to master.
        Quote: ccsr
        Firstly, it is impossible for a sniper to prepare even a university graduate for a year, if only because there is simply not enough time for him to master shooting in the winter and summer training periods at any time of the day and fire the required number of shots.

        But the conscript does not need to become a professional - he will have enough basic training course, where he will be taught more or less accurately shoot and the basics of tactics. This is already half a year of intense training clearly can accommodate. The Americans seem to take such 3 months.
        Quote: ccsr
        Secondly, you should not think that the sniper capabilities of a soldier are determined by knowledge of mathematics, because physical endurance and skill in a fixed position are sometimes much more important than quick wits.

        All these issues are resolved by professional selection of candidates for positions, and screening of unsuitable at the stage of selection or in the process of training in the specialty. What kind of rifle will be in service does not matter.
        Quote: ccsr
        That is why, in my opinion, real snipers should be prepared for years, and not for one year of military service, although they are unique among conscripts.

        People for whom this is a permanent profession have been preparing for years. Conscripts, in my opinion, are, first of all, the future mob. reserve, and you still need to train them. Whatever the case (God forbid, of course) mobilization doesn’t get a crowd of masons who don’t know which side to approach the rifle. The personnel army, as the experience of the twentieth century has shown, in major conflicts tends to end quickly.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 13 November 2019 18: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Obliterator
          He is able to master the basic course in the specialty. For a draftee who is not going to further connect his life with the service, this is enough.

          But why spend budget money for this if this person does not bring any benefit to the army in the future?
          Quote: Obliterator
          And the conscript does not need to become a professional - he will have enough basic training,

          Conscripts are generally an anachronism in the modern high-tech army, which is unclear why it is forced to spend money and resources to train people who will never be called up to fight in the army.
          Quote: Obliterator
          Conscripts, in my opinion, are, first of all, the future mob. reserve, and you still need to train them.

          The future war, if it happens, will take several tens of minutes, that’s why no mobilization reserve is needed, because everyone is working on duty the strategic nuclear forces. It is time to come to terms with all the "theorists" of building a new army - only on the basis of this it must be built. And no conscripts are needed for such a war - this is ballast for the modern army.
          1. Obliterator
            Obliterator 14 November 2019 01: 02 New
            -1
            Quote: ccsr
            Conscripts are generally an anachronism in the modern high-tech army, which is unclear why it is forced to spend money and resources to train people who will never be called up to fight in the army.

            Conscripts are the harsh and necessary reality of a country that is preparing, including for a protracted war on its territory. As history shows - the formation of the mob. reserve for Russia is a vital necessity. Weapons of mass destruction here do not change anything.
            Quote: ccsr
            The future war, if it happens, will take several tens of minutes, that’s why no mobilization reserve is needed, because everyone is working on duty the strategic nuclear forces. It is time to come to terms with all the "theorists" of building a new army - only on the basis of this it must be built. And no conscripts are needed for such a war - this is ballast for the modern army.

            So say right away that snipers are not needed at all, because warheads will turn the planet to dust. Only here are the possible scenarios for future conflicts - a wagon and a small cart. And believe me, far from all of them have nuclear weapons. The world has been scaring these nuclear weapons for 70 years, but it is still languishing in mines, and machine guns, rifles and machine guns in the hands of soldiers shoot every day.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 14 November 2019 10: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Obliterator
              Conscripts are the harsh and necessary reality of a country that is preparing, including for a protracted war on its territory.

              What are you talking about? What is a protracted war, and most importantly with whom?
              Quote: Obliterator
              As history shows

              The history of armaments has shown that now the whole war can be ended in dozens of minutes with the help of nuclear weapons. This is decisive in our planning of future hostilities.

              Quote: Obliterator
              So say right away that snipers are not needed at all,

              They are needed for special services or for local wars of low intensity in foreign territories.
              Quote: Obliterator
              Only here are the possible scenarios for future conflicts - a wagon and a small cart.

              There are no cars for us in the future war, but there is one option - either they will destroy us right away, or we will destroy them faster than they can answer us.

              Quote: Obliterator
              70 years have been scaring the world with these very nuclear weapons,

              That is why we still have peace, that we have nuclear weapons, otherwise we would have had what was in Yugoslavia.
              Quote: Obliterator
              and machine guns, rifles and machine guns in the hands of soldiers shoot every day.

              And what does this change in our military doctrine of the guaranteed destruction of any enemy? Do you dream of defeating China or the USA with the help of small arms? Oh well...
              1. madrobot
                madrobot 16 November 2019 14: 03 New
                -1
                Yes, you are joking. The exchange of nuclear strikes will end within 120-180 minutes, and then normal ground operations will begin. All this may sound like a movie piece on the topic of nuclear Armageddon, but it will be so. ABM has not been canceled. Of course, in some places where the warheads will reach the goal, but this will not be the "end of the world". SV will be engaged in their usual work, and the rear will try to minimize losses.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 16 November 2019 16: 24 New
                  +1
                  Quote: madrobot
                  Yes, you are joking. The exchange of nuclear strikes will end within 120-180 minutes,

                  Where did you get these numbers? And then, even in the Ground Forces, the standard for exiting the RPM in the summer is 45 minutes, so where will you be looking for them in 3 hours?

                  Quote: madrobot
                  and then normal ground operations will begin.

                  Where to start? Have you heard anything about the Spitak earthquake? Read how people led there after the fall of houses, and in the absence of a shock wave, massive fires and radioactive contamination.

                  Quote: madrobot
                  ABM has not been canceled.

                  Do you have any idea about the capabilities of our missile defense system and where is it located? It seems you have no idea what a massive nuclear strike is, where hundreds of charges will be used simultaneously.

                  Quote: madrobot
                  SV will be engaged in their usual work, and the rear will try to minimize losses.

                  I don’t know who told you about such a scenario, but it’s a pity that you took everything at face value. Stay in the dark so you will live in peace.
  22. czes
    czes 13 November 2019 04: 19 New
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    I don’t understand why self-loading should be done in .338 Lapua Magnum caliber? IMHO, this is a cartridge for bolts and, accordingly, for professionals (one pro with a bolt in the company will be enough).
  23. czes
    czes 13 November 2019 04: 25 New
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    Why is a cartridge like Grendel ignored? For Marxmen, the very thing! Yes, even a machine gun included!
  24. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 13 November 2019 14: 14 New
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    I remember we had a skirmish with someone on the network on the topic "why do semi-automatic sniper rifles now really exist" in the end decided that they have a place to be for the density of fire at a distance well and not expensive relative. In the Second World War, self-loading, of course, had more sense in automatic weapons there and the filthy range was there and the mosquito did not have such a fire density, suppression at a distance took place ...
  25. Leprikon5656
    Leprikon5656 13 November 2019 23: 20 New
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    Quote: Victor_B

    So, the old SVD will survive more than one “rifle to replace the SVD”.

    I agree ))