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Fight in Dagestan: militants eliminated, there are losses among security officials

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Fight in Dagestan: militants eliminated, there are losses among security officials

In the Kayakent district of Dagestan, in the vicinity of the village of Uytamysh, during the clash with a group of militants, they destroyed from 5 to 7 members of illegal armed groups. There are losses among security officials.

As ITAR-TASS was informed in the security structures of the republic, at night on the Izberbash-Sergokal highway, law enforcement officers engaged in a firefight with a group of militants moving in a car, which were used against law enforcement officers. weapon. In the course of the pursuit of gangsters, firing contacts repeatedly occurred.

As a result, the bandits were blocked in the vineyard area near the village of Uytamysh. Currently, the active phase of the operation to eliminate bandits.

During the fighting, according to preliminary data, one law enforcement officer was killed, three more were wounded.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 12: 36
    +28
    A month ago, they moved to the grave like dogs. How many morons to go into fighters and why die? - for the money, but they failed.
    1. sahha
      sahha 14 July 2012 12: 46
      +17
      Someone is stubbornly washing the brains of the Dagestan population.
      1. CC-18a
        CC-18a 14 July 2012 12: 58
        +11
        Not only for the Dagestani population. Recently, now all over Russia, especially in Moscow, however, instead of the topic of nationalism and religion, other topics are now being pushed, after a while the agitation for the processing of these "disagreeing" will be abandoned to arrange unrestrictedness as in Dagestan, they song yes "crap hail". Moreover, the mechanism has long been perfected (Chechnya, Yugoslavia, Lebanon, Syria), and our enemies are preparing everything step by step.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 14 July 2012 13: 11
      +14
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      A month ago, they moved to the grave like dogs.

      Sasha, they don’t bury dead dogs, they’ll either be disposed of (burnt) or in the trash ... they should be left where they banged, let the jackals take away the bones ...
      1. Teploteh - nick
        Teploteh - nick 14 July 2012 13: 20
        +18
        Earth in fluff and eternal Glory and Memory - to the fallen military. crying sad
        BURNING in HELL - to bandits and murderers !!! am - killed like mad dogs. And the living ones know - not long ****** is left for you - and we will beat you as the last jackals. am
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 13: 55
        +11
        Vitya in pork skins should be disposed of, this is for them. And in the news: today blah, blah, .............. have been utilized so that others know what awaits them, and especially those who are going to action am
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 July 2012 15: 09
          0
          Alexander, what does the pork skins have to do with ??
          A bit unclear!!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 15: 33
            +3
            Alibek, so they think that if he who believes in Allah and kills the infidels with the name of Allah, he will not be able to go to heaven if he is buried in pig's clothing. Pork skin is the best cure for scumbags.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 July 2012 15: 49
              +11
              You are mistaken Alexander or you have been misled !!
              This is the height of illiteracy and ignorance !!
              If someone bury a Muslim wrapped in pork skin or in anything other than a kyafan, then the sin falls on the buryer, not the dead!
              According to Islam, a shahid (and not a bandit) made an agreement with Allah and Allah will certainly fulfill his promise, no matter how anyone abuses his body!
              Only bandits and self-blowing up people can hardly count on this!
              with such knowledge you are unlikely to be able to eradicate such evil as Wahhabism !!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 15: 58
                +4
                Alibek, this is not my knowledge. On the site there are those who really fight with them! Domocle nickel, a colonel, it seems, will come to the site you can ask, there are others and there are a lot of them here. These are their words, I can’t not believe such people. There are many religions in Islam and You Alibek know this. Yes, and I don’t think that you yourself, with the special forces who gave their work away, will begin to argue and, moreover, talk about neither knowledge nor literacy.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 09
                  +3
                  Alexander!!
                  Perhaps the people you named are very well-deserved, but misled! Not in one course of Islam you will not find what your esteemed friends told you about !!
                  What to argue ?? About their ignorance and ignorance ??
                  Alexander, to defeat the enemy, you need to know him well!
                  And the tale you told you, or rather, your friends from the series about a Muslim drinking under a Vilissa with the hope that the Almighty will not see him there !!
                  The same illiteracy!
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 16: 16
                    +6
                    Alibek, the people you are talking about, received awards in the columned hall. These are those on whom Russia is holding on! And you Alibek and me, oh how far they are. Do not insult those whom you do not know. They are not children to lie. Believe them, they have the honor!
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 29
                      +2
                      Alexander!
                      Before accusing me of something, read carefully what I'm writing about!
                      I repeat again, what was told to your distinguished friends is not true, to say the least!
                      Not in one course of Islam there is none!
                      Ask any Muslim!
                      Here on the site there are also a lot of them!
                      As for the fact that they have the honor and they are honored people, did I say something the opposite of this or doubt it ??
                      I doubt those people who misled them and apparently it was done on purpose, so that these bandits had more hatred for the * ignoramus * enemies!
                    2. ilf
                      ilf 14 July 2012 16: 47
                      +12
                      The bandits are destroyed - the task is completed! It is impossible to be like the Americans; it was still not enough to take scalps to cut ears and engage in abuse of the body, many do not understand the particular local
                      1. Drednout
                        Drednout 14 July 2012 17: 16
                        +4
                        Well, they will definitely take revenge and use it in their agitation. I agree with Alibek - from ignorance all this, from ignorance (I hope, because in the case of a special stuffing of such information, it becomes one more provocation on religious grounds more). Skins do not defeat extremism (rather the opposite).
                  2. biglow
                    biglow 14 July 2012 23: 12
                    +2
                    In the 19th and early 20th centuries, the British came up with the idea of ​​burying the terrorists in pork skins in Palestine, from where it went,
              2. Odessa
                Odessa 14 July 2012 16: 34
                +7
                Alibek, this story with wrapping in pork skins was invented by `` our mutual friends. '' By the way, Jews began to wrap the deceased in burial sheets. There are moments in the Gospel that describe this. Since they were buried not in the ground, but in the crypt. In the east, there are still graveyards from the crypts. Both Christian and Muslim. And the Britons, with their perverted minds, thought of wrapping them up in skins. Probably they did not know that the deceased, somehow, does not care what he was buried in. Here, I pulled a piece of information from the Internet. On the second day after the release of the hostages from the Palace of Culture of the ball bearing plant, crowds of onlookers continued to besiege the place of tragic events. Journalists scurried about in the mass of people. An elderly man turned out to be near the police fence.
                Nodding at the gray building of the recreation center, I turned to my neighbor:
                - Gave our scum!
                “Yes, they worked beautifully,” the interlocutor grunted and added pointedly with a noticeable English accent. - Now you need to put an end to it.
                - How is that?
                - And so, as the British did in the war with the Afghans in the century before last and with the Islamic partisans in Malaya. British soldiers did not give the killed Afghans to relatives, but buried themselves. And almost with honors. But at the same time they did one thing that Muslims fear more than anything else. Before burying the dead, they wrapped them in pork skins. According to Muslim beliefs, a pig is a dirty animal. A dead Muslim will never get to Allah if he is buried in the skin of this animal. And what do you think? After such a public funeral, the attacks on the British troops ceased!
                Then the Israelis wanted to use the same tactics. Their deputy minister of internal security, Guido Ezra, personally offered this to Sharon. While they doubt, but in vain. Long ago the attacks would have stopped.
                - What is your name and who are you?
                “My last name is Harrison, I'm a subject of Her Majesty the Queen of England.”
                - Are you an employee of the embassy?
                - It does not matter...
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 47
                  +4
                  Dear Esther!
                  I hear this interesting story for the first time !!
                  If you consider that Wahhabism was also invented and nurtured by Britons, then a completely justified decision on their part !!
                  ** Probably they didn’t know that the deceased somehow didn’t care what they buried him in. Here, I pulled a piece of information from an Internet ** - naturally! from the opposite point of view, these nonhumans would not explode themselves!
                  ** According to Muslim beliefs, a pig is a dirty animal. ** - it is true!
                  ** And a dead Muslim will never get to Allah if he is buried in the shoes of this animal ** - this is illiteracy !.
                  *** After such a public funeral, the attacks on the British troops stopped! *** - this is simply shocking, according to anyone, as I noted above, the sin falls on the buryer, not on the dead !!!
                  Esther, I assure you, this is simply the height of ignorance !!
                  Apparently, the special forces took this from these stories, because not one Muslim would ever think of it!
                  Although the Wahhabis are illiterate and generally quite illiterate Muslims alas! In this case, the corpses of the militants do not stand out for any and no one knows where he is buried and nevermind how!
                  I more than doubt the effectiveness of this method and consider it fundamentally erroneous, making it possible to recruit even more people into bandits!
                  And how did the dialogue end ??
                  1. Lakkuchu
                    Lakkuchu 14 July 2012 17: 10
                    +5
                    Yarbay - ... and in this case, for any corpses of militants, they do not stand out and no one knows where he is buried and they don’t care how!
                    And the corpses are sold to relatives, this is such a "business"
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 14 July 2012 17: 12
                      +2
                      Ruslan!
                      such methods for 10 years ahead raise bandits !!
                  2. Odessa
                    Odessa 14 July 2012 17: 15
                    +3
                    Alibek, I don’t know how the dialogue ended, but there is a lot of nonsense (there are shaving in the skins of funeral stories), and I completely agree with you why you should get dirty about these hobbits, take skins somewhere and wrap this scum in them!
                    I more than doubt the effectiveness of this method and consider it fundamentally erroneous, making it possible to recruit even more people into bandits!

                    I also think so, scaring pork skin, this is not a method! Only a grave will correct a hunchback!
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 14 July 2012 17: 25
                      +1
                      Esther!
                      I have often talked with Wahhabis !!
                      People who, in front of reinforced concrete arguments about their erroneous view of a particular religious rule, do not change their views!
                      Zombied specifically!
                      I'm talking of course about convinced Wahhabis!
                      I will never believe that I’m afraid to be buried in the skins of pigs !!
                      and in their case, only a grave, or a long re-education at construction sites such as the White Sea Canal !!
                      1. Odessa
                        Odessa 14 July 2012 17: 29
                        +1
                        Alibek,
                        I believe you
                        People who, in front of reinforced concrete arguments about their erroneous view of a particular religious rule, do not change their views!
                        Zombied specifically!
                        I'm talking of course about convinced Wahhabis!
                        I will never believe that I’m afraid to be buried in the skins of pigs !!

                        Q.E.D!
                  3. FiremanRS
                    FiremanRS 14 July 2012 23: 42
                    +2
                    Alibek, but there is a question for you just on the topic. How do Muslims feel that their death will come from an animal such as a dog and their bodies will not be buried until dawn?
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 15 July 2012 11: 13
                      +1
                      Dear Denis!
                      In general, I once wrote that the Wahhabis in many ways denigrate the concept and title of shahid !!
                      There are 6 degrees of shahid in Islam!
                      Drowned in the sea, died on the way to work, sewn up his family or the family of a neighbor, these are all martyrs! Of course, the highest degree of a martyr is to protect his country and religion from the aggressor!
                      If a dog killed a person rushing to work, home or to help someone, he is a martyr of inshalah!
                      Anyway, if an animal killed a Muslim, then there is no sin on the deceased, except in the case of cruel treatment of that animal!
                      Quote: FiremanRS
                      bodies will not be buried until dawn?

                      in this, too, there is no sin of the deceased, it is the obligation of the burying!
                      You see, if we assume some kind of mullah, or relatives didn’t Islam bury the deceased, it will be a sin on them!
                      In general, in Islam, the ritual is very carefully painted, but if a person died in a foreign country, for example, there are no Muslims and was buried in a day and not buried according to the ritual, what was the fault of the deceased ?? and the deceased !!? Indirect signs are possible here, about what a person was like during his lifetime!
                      For example, in Islam it is categorically forbidden to burn someone, an insect, an animal, even an enemy, since it is the prerogative of the Almighty!
                      In general, you can talk about it for a long time!
                      I hope I could answer your question!
                      1. FiremanRS
                        FiremanRS 15 July 2012 12: 26
                        +2
                        ATP for clarification. But I still didn’t speak about shahids ....
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 15 July 2012 18: 15
                        -1
                        Denis, I also did not speak about martyrs !!
                        I wanted to say that a person killed by a dog or any other animal can count on the fact that the Almighty will rank him among the martyrs !!
                        if you read carefully, I wrote *** If the dog killed a person hurrying to work, home or to help someone, he is a martyr of inshalah! In any case, if the animal killed a Muslim, then there is no sin on the deceased, except for the case of ill-treatment of that animal! **
                      3. FiremanRS
                        FiremanRS 15 July 2012 22: 35
                        +1
                        Yeah. Now everything is in place. THX.
              3. Little thing
                Little thing 14 July 2012 21: 19
                +3
                I read in some book how the special services executed demonstratively Muslim terrorists by setting hungry and angry dogs on them, and the author of the book explained this by saying that it is very shameful to die from the teeth of such a "bad" animal as a dog in Islam. Does it have any grounds or is it just a flight of the author's imagination?

                PS: the book is naturally art (fiction)
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 15 July 2012 11: 24
                  0
                  Quote: Ethish
                  to die from the teeth of such a "bad" animal as a dog is very shameful in Islam. Does it have any grounds or is it just a flight of the author's imagination?


                  What are * bad * dogs?
                  This is the author’s fantasy flight and illiteracy of this Muslim who is afraid!
                  In Islam, it is believed that it is undesirable to keep a dog in the yard, because then the angels do not come into the yard !!
                  But as far as I know about this, there is nothing in the Qur'an, some scholars say this!
          2. spdm
            spdm 15 July 2012 06: 48
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            Alexander, what does the pork skins have to do with ??
            A bit unclear!!

            Good morning Alibek.
            He recalls the experience of the British in combating suicide bombing in Indonesia in the late 19th century. In order to reduce motivation and prevent suicide bombers from going to heaven (according to Islamic tradition), they buried suicide bombers in pork skins. By the way, it is worth noting that the attacks almost immediately stopped.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 15 July 2012 11: 27
              0
              Alexander good morning!

              Quote: spdm
              . In order to reduce motivation and prevent suicide bombers from going to heaven (according to Islamic tradition), they buried suicide bombers in pork skins. By the way, it is worth noting that the attacks almost immediately stopped.

              a suicide bomber, by definition, cannot go to Paradise!
              in Islamic tradition there is no such thing that a person buried in some kind of hide will not go to Paradise!
              This is the ignorance of the local * Muslims * there and ignorance!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 15 July 2012 11: 44
                +3
                Quote: Yarbay

                suicide bomber, by definition, cannot go to Paradise

                Hello Alibek, I don’t know whether or not you saw Basayev’s recording, where he’s talking to the militant not long before Beslan, and the conversation is something like this: Basaev, miss Allah? The militant with a smile, yes. Basaev, you’ll soon meet Allah! There, the brainwashed completely! They use Islam; for their own interests, they have nothing to do with faith. And others, being at school and killing children, called their relatives and screamed, we went to heaven. So, Alibek, when you say that this or that is not in Islam !!!!!!!!!!! In relation to terrorists, this is an empty phrase. They are so corrupted by the Koran that the last bastard turns into a martyr.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 15 July 2012 18: 23
                  -2
                  Alexander!
                  the fact that they are terrorists, that they don’t recognize is their misfortune and will answer to the Almighty themselves!
                  Our task is to help people learn the truth so that they do not fall under the influence of these nonhumans!
                  Scientists came to my great-grandfather from all over the world to learn about Islam, to ask what remained incomprehensible to them!
                  So you wrote about Basayev’s conversation!
                  There were very famous Muslim scholars who cried and trembled before they died, when their relatives asked why you were worried, you did so much in the way of Allah, and they said that they were afraid that they hadn’t done enough!
                  No one except the Almighty can guarantee someone heaven or hell!
              2. spdm
                spdm 15 July 2012 12: 11
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                a suicide bomber, by definition, cannot go to Paradise!

                Dear Alibek.
                It is quite possible, but how then will you explain that all suicide bombers in (who committed terrorist attacks in Israel, I just know the situation here) are considered martyrs in the Palestinian automania, while no difference is made to the soldiers or children in the kindergarten. How does this fit the canons of Islam?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 15 July 2012 18: 32
                  -1
                  Alexander!
                  The fatwa that a Muslim who explodes himself can be considered a shahid as far as I know gave the blind Sheikh Yasin, justifying this with the fact that Israel is bombing and has rockets and artillery, but there are no Palestinians !!
                  I know that almost all the main scholars of Islam of all currents except Wahhabism rejected this!
                  And I will prove to any poor fellow that, thinking to blow himself up and the enemy will go to heaven, I am deeply mistaken and will prove scientifically !!
                  I asked famous scientists if I was surrounded and know that you will be captured and they will torment you if a Muslim can kill himself!
                  All answered categorically, no!
                  but if someone does this, the Almighty may have pity on him!
                  The Almighty knows this test better, the Almighty does not give anyone any test that is beyond his reach!
                  1. spdm
                    spdm 15 July 2012 19: 03
                    0
                    Thanks Alibek!
                    Short and easy to understand
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 15 July 2012 19: 48
                      0
                      Alexander!
                      Here is a simple example!
                      Exploding themselves and the people around them, where is the terrorist’s guarantee that among them there are no sympathizers, that among them there are no those who do not support enemies ???
                      How will the blast account for the death of women and children ???
                      I can’t imagine it!
                      Remember during the campaigns, the Muslim prophet demanded that his soldiers not harm women, children, the elderly, priests and even trees !!!!
                      I'm not saying how he will answer for his soul, which he destroyed by an explosion!
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 15 July 2012 19: 47
              0
              Alexander!
              Here is a simple example!
              Exploding themselves and the people around them, where is the terrorist’s guarantee that among them there are no sympathizers, that among them there are no those who do not support enemies ???
              How will the blast account for the death of women and children ???
              I can’t imagine it!
              Remember during the campaigns, the Muslim prophet demanded that his soldiers not harm women, children, the elderly, priests and even trees !!!!
      3. Sleptsoff
        Sleptsoff 14 July 2012 14: 12
        +3
        I buried two. Would you throw your faithful dog in the trash after death?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 14: 20
          +4
          Quote: Sleptsoff
          I buried two. Would you throw your faithful dog in the trash after death?

          Right now, I realized that I wrote or most importantly blurt out. A rhetorical question is not required.
          1. KOMOd Shpakov
            KOMOd Shpakov 14 July 2012 16: 04
            +2
            The tactics of burial in pork skins showed themselves very well in the Caucasus. After that, they (the militants) were not so zealously limitless and even turned on their brains a little bit, knowing what awaited them, according to the testimony of the participants in the military campaign.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 12
              +2
              chest of drawers is self-deception and it seems to me an excuse for mocking a corpse!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 16: 24
                +4
                Alibek, tell the direct participants in the events. Alibek, the stories are true, just believe the word. And if you think that this is an attempt to justify yourself, then you don’t know the real situation in Dagestan, alas.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 31
                  +1
                  Alexander!
                  I have no doubt in their stories that they did it !!
                  I regret their illiteracy in this matter !!
              2. spdm
                spdm 15 July 2012 13: 00
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                chest of drawers is self-deception and it seems to me an excuse for mocking a corpse!

                I fully support you Alibek!
                The dead already owe nothing to anyone and should be buried in accordance with their religious traditions.
                No one talks about arranging a magnificent funeral, but mocking the corpses is just low
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 14 July 2012 20: 42
          +3
          Quote: Sleptsoff
          I buried two. Would you throw your faithful dog in the trash after death?

          It's not about a friend, but about rabid dogs that have no tribe or tribe. Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs ...
    3. Igorboss16
      Igorboss16 14 July 2012 16: 00
      +4
      it is a pity that our siloviki heroically die because of these brainless nonsense, but we will kill these bastards sooner or later and then we will find the sponsors themselves, because of which it all started and tear off their heads and hands
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 July 2012 19: 00
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      to the grave like soba


      Where are the dogs buried?
    5. Alx1miK
      Alx1miK 14 July 2012 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      How many morons to go into fighters and why die? - for the money, but they failed.

      There are "people" who use the same Islam (of course, distorting the essence) set up young people for the goals they need. And people rode in droves. Brainwashing still works, unfortunately.
    6. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 July 2012 21: 36
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      to the grave like dogs.


      Somehow I do not want to take a frenzy in my hands ....
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 July 2012 03: 38
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        to the grave like dogs.

        Somehow I don’t want to take mad in my hands ..

        Vadim, g .... oh clean with a shovel!
    7. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 14 July 2012 23: 32
      -2
      It’s a very convenient position to bring down people without trial, and explain to an obedient herd that the militants were liquidated.
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 15 July 2012 00: 03
        +2
        Quote: S_mirnov
        , bring down people without trial, and explain to an obedient herd - they say the militants were eliminated.

        And the only sheep in the herd is you, as I understand it. Ask these jackals and ub * yudks for trial and investigation, when they arranged an orgy in school in Beslan. Or Kovalev’s carriage, probably a partner? And the language turns .....
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 16 July 2012 22: 20
          0
          There are many sheep in the herd and you are proof of this. And what is so offensive to you that my tongue turned when I asked for an open trial of captured citizens? Judge openly show that these are really criminals, and then I, for example, for the public shooting at the stadium. And killing people without trial is the destiny of those who want to hide something, in the end, militants also kill citizens without trial!
  2. itr
    itr 14 July 2012 12: 44
    +1
    Why such losses are large in the law enforcement agencies of Russia. It turns out that the militants are better prepared?
    1. Vito
      Vito 14 July 2012 12: 50
      +12
      itr (2)Good day FRIENDLY!
      Quote: itr
      Why such losses are large in the law enforcement agencies of Russia. It turns out that the militants are better prepared?

      Militants. that is, bandits, initially in a winning position, their tactics of warfare. these are ambushes, bombings and other nastiness from around the corner! It is not possible to always know and be prepared for such attacks.
      1. spdm
        spdm 15 July 2012 13: 04
        +1
        Quote: Vito
        Militants. that is, bandits, initially in a winning position, their tactics of warfare. these are ambushes, bombings and other nastiness from around the corner! It is not possible to always know and be prepared for such attacks.

        The only way to fight the underground is to undermine their financial base and, most importantly, intelligence and intelligence work.
        Money needs to be paid to agents, there are corrupt people everywhere, and the North Caucasus is no exception. Miser pays twice
        1. Vito
          Vito 15 July 2012 13: 35
          0
          spdmGood day to you.
          Quote: spdm
          The only way to fight the underground is to undermine their financial base and, most importantly, intelligence and intelligence work.

          Absolutely agree with YOU! The best way to deal with the gang underground has not yet been invented!
    2. CC-18a
      CC-18a 14 July 2012 13: 02
      +17
      These militants are dressed as civilians, until you come up to the distance of a handshake, you won’t find out whether he is an enemy or not an enemy, and at such a distance it is impossible to defend oneself. You can act like the Jews and NATO members to act, shoot at once to defeat and abuse the population, there will be less casualties, but civilian casualties will be many times greater.

      What to choose?
      10 killed civilians, 2 militants, and 0 law enforcement agencies.
      or
      0 killed civilians, 2 militants and 1-2 from law enforcement agencies.

      Here the question seems to me in honor, what choice was made in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB, I think you understand.
      1. ZUI
        ZUI 14 July 2012 13: 28
        +6
        NATO and Jews are not shooting at their fellow citizens. And here we have essentially a civil war.
    3. ZUI
      ZUI 14 July 2012 13: 11
      +1
      Adequate losses in an attack of 3 to 1. In addition, we need to figure out - what kind of security forces? Spn GRU fighter or pot-bellied precinct?
    4. Odinplys
      Odinplys 14 July 2012 13: 26
      +3
      Quote: itr
      Why such losses are large in the law enforcement agencies of Russia. It turns out that the militants are better prepared?

      I think the factor of surprise plays a bloody role ...
    5. Teploteh - nick
      Teploteh - nick 14 July 2012 13: 38
      +5
      Quote: itr
      Why such losses are large in the law enforcement agencies of Russia. It turns out that the militants are better prepared

      It is always easier to defend - than to attack, therefore, losses for attackers always take place. For at least one ***** - let the turn release, or throw a grenade.
      Therefore, by the way - and there are facts - when several of our Heroes - could restrain the crowd, an entire army for almost a day, until help came up.
      Examples are Afghanistan, Chechnya. sad - Eternal memory to all fallen soldiers! crying
  3. ZUI
    ZUI 14 July 2012 12: 52
    +4
    Adequate losses. The standard ratio of attacking / defending 3/1.

    In addition, we need to figure out - what kind of security officials? Spn GRU fighter or pot-bellied precinct?
    1. ZUI
      ZUI 14 July 2012 13: 27
      +1
      And who put a minus? Anyone who believes that PPS-nicknames or district officers can actually participate in mopping-up operations, or at least in combined arms combat?
      Against these rabid dogs, it is necessary to use parts of the Russian Chemical Safety Laboratory with flamethrowers, and not small officials (which, in essence, are 70% of the military personnel who completed the 6-month course, learned to write protocols and somehow not miss the target from the PM) .
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 14 July 2012 15: 17
        +7
        ZUI,
        And who put a minus?

        I fucked up! Want to know why?
        In addition, we need to figure out - what kind of security officials? Spn GRU fighter or pot-bellied precinct?

        Why understand, these are losses among the security forces. And the GRU officer and the district police officer are also human. No one is safe from the bandit terrorists. By the way, in Odessa there was a similar episode when a ghoul terrorist shot the GAI post from those parts. The same are the losses of security officers. here by the level of special training, this of course does not go into more than one comparison, but this is a completely different question!
        or pot-bellied precinct?

        Never when do not judge a man by external data! Maybe the lieutenant colonel mother-in-law with his wife cooks beautifully!
        1. Vito
          Vito 14 July 2012 15: 39
          +7
          Interestingly, he with such "excellent" physical data will catch at least one criminal? He is also unlikely to run a hundred meters for a while. And respect and respect to my wife and mother-in-law!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 02
            +4
            Dear Vito!
            in Soviet times, we had one famous precinct in one of the criminal areas!
            He was about the same build, probably a little smaller belly!
            As a person I can’t say that I was good, I even heard that I was still a bribe taker, but the inveterate bandits were afraid of him!
            Once, with a knife in his stomach, he drove a thief for several blocks, and then twisted him and brought him to the department!
            Or maybe overeating from stress)))) bulimia)))
            1. Vito
              Vito 14 July 2012 16: 34
              +3
              Yarbay (5)Good evening to you.
              For some reason, it seems to me that the thief was of about the same build, or he maliciously consumed alcohol and smoked BELOMOR cigarettes. Why I argue so confidently, from personal sports experience I know very well that overweight people are inferior to people with thin or normal build in terms of reaction, motor skills and endurance. Well, if it comes to parterre, then of course the worst will not have a chance!
              Sincerely.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 56
                +2
                Vito!
                I understand what you mean!
                But now I will give a description of this person, maybe you will agree!
                He was a sambo wrestler, a very tough man, I would say cruel!
                Very strong-willed!
                It seems to me in that case the thief was let down by the fear and persistence of the district police officer!
                Perhaps embellished in the fact that he ran after him for several blocks, but the fact was!
                This is a famous story!
                Until now, everyone on Sovetskaya Street remembers him!
                Yours!
                1. Vito
                  Vito 14 July 2012 17: 04
                  +1
                  Well, if SAMBO yes plus will, then probably it was so.
                  As my saying goes "POWER WITHOUT WILL NOTHING".
                  I was glad to talk!
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 14 July 2012 17: 09
                    +1
                    Dear Vito!
                    And thank you!
                    I am always glad to see you, and it is always beneficial for me to communicate with you!
                    with respect!
          2. Alexei
            Alexei 14 July 2012 18: 22
            +3
            Quote: Vito
            Interestingly, he with such "excellent" physical data will catch at least one criminal? He is also unlikely to run a hundred meters for a while. And respect and respect to my wife and mother-in-law!

            All the same, there is some benefit from it. He in his locality (where he serves) knows people who arrived, who has a family, what people are. And when GRUSHNIKI or FSBshniki are nominated for the operation to the territory entrusted to him, what do you think Vitro, to whom will they go first? Without information, any security forces are blind cyclops. Respect their work, their obesity is sometimes compensated by professionalism.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 15: 45
          +2
          Hi Esther, you’re throwing your minuses, stick me one, well, plissssss laughing
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 14 July 2012 15: 54
            +3
            Alexander Romanov,
            Hi Esther, you’re throwing your minuses, stick me one, well, plissssss

            How long can they skillfully ?! I’m a shameless lady, I can slap. But not for everyone and not always fellow , some even put them in a bummer, they still will not catch up wassat why.
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 July 2012 15: 59
          0
          Esther!
          Totally agree with you!
          Especially often the first to shoot them, light targets!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 16: 10
            +3
            Quote: Yarbay

            Esther!
            Totally agree with you!
            Especially often the first to shoot them, light targets!

            Alibek, in this case Esther did not mean shooting. You’re sitting in a dash laughing
            1. Odessa
              Odessa 14 July 2012 17: 18
              0
              Alexander Romanov,
              Alibek, in this case Esther did not mean shooting. You’re sitting in a dash

              Novels in his repertoire! No, sun, we play ping pong! laughing
          2. Odessa
            Odessa 14 July 2012 16: 17
            +1
            Yarbay,
            Alebik, here I do not quite agree.
            Especially often the first to shoot them, light targets!

            They are usually made targets. In the city, an interception plan is announced, ordinary traffic police inspectors are standing on the exit routes, who is asked by whom the ordinary inspector can intercept? And only much later riot policemen or Berkut get involved in the operation. I write about Ukraine. Although in Israel There is a case when an officer of the Israeli military police was shot down by a civilian police patrol car, as the policemen sitting in her mistook her for a terrorist.
            It was not difficult to make a mistake. The girl really portrayed a Palestinian terrorist as part of an exercise to prevent the abduction of Israeli troops. But the regular police were not informed of these exercises.
            The police decided that they were witnesses of a real abduction and tried to detain the "terrorist". They chased her in a patrol car and knocked her down to prevent her from escaping. The girl received a back injury. The incident took place in the area of ​​the Tanim checkpoint just south of the Palestinian city of Tul Karem.
            After everything turned out, the girl was sent to a hospital, where doctors rated the wound as a lung. The IDF press service said the incident would be thoroughly investigated, writes MIGnews.
            They do not work synchronously, and not coordinated.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 32
              +1
              Dear Esther!
              I meant Dagestan!
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 14 July 2012 16: 53
                +1
                Alibek,
                I meant Dagestan!

                I understood it, but for the sake of analogy I brought this info. The question is different, will these militant raids ever end? Or do we only dream of peace?
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 14 July 2012 17: 02
                  +2
                  Esther!
                  I am sure that until corruption, fraternity, nepotism and lawlessness of officials are eradicated, this issue will be on the agenda !!
                  Because it has already flared up!
                  and the question of mechanisms for enforcing the law must be decided throughout Russia!
                  The law should not be selective!
                  and certainly a great burden lies with the clergy — they must eradicate illiteracy with their knowledge and example !!
                  1. Odessa
                    Odessa 14 July 2012 18: 08
                    0
                    Alibek,
                    I am sure that until corruption, fraternity, nepotism and lawlessness of officials are eradicated, this issue will be on the agenda !!
                    Because it has already flared up!
                    Yesterday’s news flashed. If gentlemen the officers begin to hang head slaps on top of each other because of ethnic strife, then what can you want from the bandits? In Transbaikalia, where the execution of Russian soldiers was planned, the UFSB, police and local colonels arrived.
                    Link pmo.slawia.org
                    and certainly a great burden lies with the clergy — they must eradicate illiteracy with their knowledge and example!

                    Explanatory work should be carried out, first of all for young people, how not to get involved in a network of militants, that not everything in this life is sold and bought.

                    FSB RF
                    KCR militant received seven years for armed rebellion in 1999

                    The Supreme Court of the Republic of Dagestan sentenced a fighter from Karachay-Cherkessia Alisher Bayramukov to seven years in prison with a sentence in a maximum security penal colony for armed rebellion in Dagestan in 1999, the Prosecutor General’s Office said on Friday.

                    "Members of an illegal armed group, in which Bayramukov participated, who invaded the Republic of Dagestan from the territory of Chechnya, seized four villages," the ministry said in a statement.

                    As a result of the armed rebellion, seven settlements were attacked, two employees of the police department were killed, four people were taken hostage. In the municipalities located in the war zone, roads, health facilities, schools, administrative and production facilities were destroyed.

                    Bairamukov’s involvement in the armed rebellion in Dagestan was established after almost 13 years, in the spring of this 2012, during the operational-search measures. In April, a criminal case was opened against him by the investigative unit of the Federal Security Service of Russia for the KCR.
                    http://www.rapsinews.ru/judicial_news/20120713/263789..
      2. gor
        gor 14 July 2012 23: 28
        +3
        in fact, at these 6-month courses the Ministry of Internal Affairs employees are taught a subject such as operational-tactical training, which involves both using weapons and combat tactics. There is also a tactic specific to the Ministry of Internal Affairs (actions during mass riots, i.e. exercises with shields and batons ) and this goes through both PPS officers and district police officers. The question is why the personnel is so well prepared. The police and riot police understand that they are more prepared, but in the event of any real disturbances and PPS, they take up shields and put on helmets
    2. Drednout
      Drednout 14 July 2012 14: 52
      +5
      In Dagestan, the usual PPS nicknames, traffic police and riot police are most often killed. Not always due to stupidity or poor preparation. Mostly due to surprise or true heroism.
      Example - Fasting in front of Karabudakhkent. On the bare mountain there was a machine-gun nest with a policeman, perfectly visible from everywhere. The rest were in disguise. When the forest pearls from the greenery - first of all, they smacked at the open policeman, they were spotted from the secrets and soaked from the bat. The fate of the "bait" was often unimportant. And so - ordinary local policemen (in Dagestan, bandits and their sympathizers contemptuously call them Pokemon).
      1. ilf
        ilf 14 July 2012 16: 03
        +1
        I absolutely agree with you, what do the protocols have to do with it, thick district police officers? They are the first to make fire contact with the bandits. For example, when trying to check by patrolmen or traffic cops to stop a car in which there are bandits armed with full baggage, adult. of substances and weapons intended for the terrorist attack, of course, the specifics of the employees’ work are much different, for example, patrolmen from Moscow and the necessary security measures are taken, and the bandits’ tactics are sabotage for surprise and off guard, these are the first losses, and there the special forces special forces put forward a plan to intercept the area, search, maybe again losses, blocking and destruction operation, I would never go to work as a policeman to get a bullet in the back or an explosion of VU
        1. Drednout
          Drednout 14 July 2012 18: 31
          +2
          And they work. And they don’t even build rambo from themselves.
      2. Odessa
        Odessa 14 July 2012 17: 42
        0
        Drednout,
        What you write is terrible. In Israel, people are valued, so with every similar action described by you, aviation rises, which reduces losses among personnel.
        1. Drednout
          Drednout 14 July 2012 18: 23
          +3
          Dear Esther, the nearest airfield where military aviation was based is Kaspiysk. Coming around while taking off ...
          Karabudakhkent is a place between mountains with a forest and a relatively flat plateau. Nobody plans long battles (raid - withdrawal). As with Shamil yet. Interaction between the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Air Force - I want to believe it, but in practice I could not see it. Nearby ordinary residents, shepherds, a highway with innocent cars - can get under the air raid. They fight like that because there is no other way. There wouldn’t be - a post - would be boarded up - would suddenly be APC grenade launchers at KPMe. He is for the forest like a bone in his throat.
          And about Israel ... They even say they treat cancer there. Even our former Soviet doctors. Paradox?
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 14 July 2012 19: 10
            +1
            Drednout,
            They even say they treat cancer there. Even our former Soviet doctors. Paradox?

            Yes, by the way, quite recently, there was an article in the Israeli media with a translation from Hebrew that the Soviet method was no worse than the Western one. By the way, in the USSR and after its disintegration at Cesorean section, they caesarean along, then in Israel they caesarean across, but nonetheless everything is fine.
            Nobody plans long battles (raid - withdrawal).

            And here is a similar situation. An unmanned aerial vehicle is launched from the place where it is supposed to be, and only after that the pinwheel rises. They destroy it by a direct hit, one of the leaders of Hamas, right on a motorcycle and banged, and very cleanly, they didn’t hook civilians. And safely returned to the base. When you learn how to protect people, then the losses among the security forces will cease.
        2. Bully
          Bully 14 July 2012 18: 41
          +2
          If the bandits work in the village, the Air Force will not help - you’ll put more of your own. This is the work of special forces only.
          1. spdm
            spdm 15 July 2012 13: 14
            +1
            Quote: Bully
            If the bandits work in the village, the Air Force will not help - you’ll put more of your own. This is the work of special forces only.

            In general, they work only from settlements and disguising themselves as civilians is their usual tactic; the Gaza Strip is one continuous settlement. Not built up areas are very few.
            Nevertheless, with the availability of special equipment, drones and reconnaissance, one can get quite decent results.
            1. Bully
              Bully 15 July 2012 19: 57
              0
              Quote: spdm
              Nevertheless, with the availability of special equipment, drones and reconnaissance, one can get quite decent results.

              Do you have comparative data on the losses of the Israeli explosives / Arab militants in such a situation? May I have a curiosity?
              1. spdm
                spdm 15 July 2012 20: 12
                +1
                Quote: Bully
                Do you have comparative data on the losses of the Israeli explosives / Arab militants in such a situation? May I have a curiosity?

                Operation Cast Lead (Hebrew מבצע עופרת יצוקה, Mivtza Oferet Yetzuka,) is the code name for the Israeli military operation in the Gaza Strip, which began on December 27, 2008, whose goal was to destroy the military infrastructure of the Hamas Islamic radical movement in Gaza [15] declared by most developed countries terrorist and banned in Jordan, and the prevention of rocket attacks on Israeli territory [16] [17].
                According to the IDF updated on April 7, 2009, the total number of Palestinians killed during the operation - 1166 people. Of these, more than 709 are members of various combat units of Hamas and other terrorist organizations. The death toll of civilians (including women and children) is 295. 162 men failed to identify belonging and involvement in hostilities. [141]
                The number of wounded is estimated from 1000 to 5450 people. [63]
                In Israel, there are 13 casualties (10 military personnel, 3 civilians) and 518 wounded, shell-shocked and shocked (336 soldiers and 182 civilians). [5] Of the injured servicemen, 4 were killed and dozens were injured of varying severity in three different incidents from the “friendly fire” of Israeli tanks.. [143]
                Gaza is the city with the largest population density in the world.
                Nevertheless, the losses of the defenders were ten times greater than the advancing ones, which is practically nonsense for the war in the city. If someone says that weapons were better in the Israeli army, of course, why should they be worse? But Hamas had enough anti-tank weapons, heavy machine guns and generally weapons designed for war in the city. But the intelligence before the operation got almost all the information about the strongholds, mined houses, streets, and weapons depots. The first thing was a powerful fire attack on the control and communications posts, then dismembering Gaza into 3 sectors and suppressing again all communications, they began to methodically clean up . Have you reached all goals? Of course not, but Hamas (and this is at least some kind of power in Gaza) has nothing to do with shelling, and (since there are about 25 other groups of various kinds and directions in Gaza), shelling sometimes occurs. but their intensity decreased at times, and most importantly, Hamas himself was fighting them. Several times it came to a direct clash with Islamic Jihad. Hamas is interested in retaining power and understands that Israel can deprive it of this power if the events of 2008 recur. . Unfortunately, civilians have also suffered, but there can be no war in the city, if only Hamas used schools, hospitals, kindergartens as a position for shelling and covered himself with peaceful inhabitants.
                1. Brother Sarych
                  Brother Sarych 15 July 2012 20: 30
                  -1
                  Should we retell this Jewish tale? She didn’t even fail in Israel ...
  4. besser best
    besser best 14 July 2012 12: 54
    +1
    Money is of paramount importance in our country. So they go to bandits (what kind of fighters they are) and fight for money - there’s no work .... If you take statistics even the one that goes through the open media channels in Dagestan - uuuuuuuuuu and you can for a long time.
  5. bubla5
    bubla5 14 July 2012 13: 01
    +1
    Do we all know from Dagestan whether the info is true
  6. volcano
    volcano 14 July 2012 13: 40
    +1
    Dagestan is boiling. This is bad.
    it’s obvious that customers are redirecting to this republic.
    It is necessary to strengthen preventive measures, in fact, it is necessary to clean the republic.
    Well, to conduct counter-terrorism propaganda.
    Although the severity of the situation is exacerbated by the poor development of the region, youth unemployment, and social weakness. effective measures on the part of the Guide are also needed here.
    Because it is completely incomprehensible how Chechnya will behave if Dagestan suddenly breaks out.
    We can get Chechnya multiplied by two.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 14 July 2012 13: 49
      +4
      Quote: volkan
      Because it is completely incomprehensible how Chechnya will behave if Dagestan suddenly flames up. We can get Chechnya multiplied by two.

      Andrew welcome! Plus CBD + Ingushetia + KCR, an explosive mixture will turn out ....
      1. volcano
        volcano 14 July 2012 15: 02
        +3
        Hello Victor.
        Absolutely agree with you.
        It is quite obvious that the Caucasus was chosen as a destabilizing factor and a tool for the collapse of the country.
        I generally admit the idea that work is going on in two directions
        1. Preparation for a direct war with Russia
        2. Preparation and escalation of hostilities in Russia from within.
        What would Russia have to fight on two fronts at an o'clock? Internal and external.
    2. Drednout
      Drednout 14 July 2012 14: 58
      +4
      Andrey, good afternoon. Chechnya behaves predictably. They have a strong leader holding the republic in their fist (what it cost - a separate conversation). There is no such thing in Dagestan. Only a certain nation or tukhum can have its authoritative leader, but they (nations) are there ..... In short, an authoritative Rurik is needed!
      Chechen security officials often help the Dagestani to wet the homeless. Especially near the borders in mountainous areas.
      1. volcano
        volcano 14 July 2012 16: 01
        0
        Drednout
        A strong leader in Chechnya because he has the strongest teip.
        And in Dagestan, apparently, the power is in the teip, to which the leader does not belong.
        Although what exactly is there in this regard in Dagestan, I certainly do not know.
        1. Drednout
          Drednout 14 July 2012 16: 48
          +1
          Teips only at Nokhchi. Avars have Tukhumas! In Dagestan at the moment, no one has real strength and support of the population. Mayor Amirov is discriminated, the president also does not enjoy authority. A respected Dargin will not always be respected by the Avars (or Kumyks, Lezghins, Laks, Tabasarans, etc.). There is a chance to rally religious authority, but this is a very dangerous road and still introduce Sharia in the whole republic - a return to the Middle Ages and violation of the constitution. Accordingly, the authorities need to carry out activities and educate people, punish thieves and bribe takers in conjunction with the Muslim Spiritual Administration. Only extremists will naturally call these Muslims wrong (such as Christian heretics).
          1. volcano
            volcano 14 July 2012 18: 31
            0
            thanks for the info
        2. Bully
          Bully 14 July 2012 18: 30
          +3
          Things are not so simple in Chechnya. Kadyrov would not have lasted even a month without Moscow's support. In this case, apparently, an optimal solution has been found, when the problems with the bandits are solved by local "vovans" with minimal participation of the federals.
  7. Wehrmacht
    Wehrmacht 14 July 2012 14: 06
    +1
    Extrajudicial executions must be stopped. Violence leads to even greater radicalization of youth.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 14: 22
      +4
      You suggest, as in Norway with a breivik, so that the judge shakes his hand fool
      1. Wehrmacht
        Wehrmacht 14 July 2012 14: 42
        +3
        What does the handshake have to do with it? I'm talking about the massacres of unarmed people who are kidnapped and later found with gunshot kneecaps, gouged eyes, broken limbs, burns, etc. In our country there is freedom of conscience and freedom of speech, you cannot persecute people for any beliefs. Several people disappear every month. No one can be found guilty, except by a court decision. The government, first of all, itself must comply with the law, otherwise you can forget about any order. Someone may say: "that's how it should be, kill everyone!" However, this is a dead-end path that leads to even greater casualties.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 14 July 2012 15: 13
          +3
          Magomed!
          I agree with you!
          The rule of law is most important!
          Power must show that it is power, not the same gang!
          And many methods need to be changed!
          I wrote about this for a long time!
          Much has been thoughtlessly taken from the experience of Israel, but they don’t understand that certain Israeli forces there are not to eradicate terrorism, but to make it manageable!
          1. Wehrmacht
            Wehrmacht 14 July 2012 15: 30
            +2
            Thank you for your agreement and understanding. smile
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 July 2012 15: 51
              +1
              Magomed!
              The fact is that I know firsthand about this problem!
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 15: 42
          +2
          Well done, think right! Evidence or court decisions that clearly stated or recognized that there were people abducted and killed by security forces? But it turns out that you have already recognized the authorities in the killings and abductions, but what about
          Quote: Wehrmacht
          except by court order

          Blaming is easy! And nobody argues that the law should prevail, but there must be punishment according to the deed!
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 14 July 2012 15: 52
            +2
            Alexander!
            In a place like Dagestan everyone knows everything about everyone !!
            and these options do not pass supposedly-prove !!
            The law must be above all !!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 July 2012 16: 07
              +1
              I have not been to Dagestan. I will not say who knows what. Alibek, according to the law prove it is of primary importance. But to know and prove these are two different things, I can give you a lot of examples. And if everyone knows about everyone, it means that the abducted by the authorities and relations with the bandits is according to what you wrote, and if so they are dear to them.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 22
                +1
                it's not scary that you were not in Dagestan!
                But poorly not knowing the mentality and simple things about residents and bandits give recipes and justify banditry and violation of laws !!
          2. Wehrmacht
            Wehrmacht 14 July 2012 16: 08
            +3
            Yarbay,
            Quote: Yarbay
            In a place like Dagestan everyone knows everything about everyone !!

            Indeed, there is no need to prove that. Those who do what in the republic are well aware. And these forces are sometimes not even controlled by the Minister of Internal Affairs of the republic. Many people living outside the republic draw conclusions based on news from federal channels. But the residents of the republic know better))
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 July 2012 16: 19
              +1
              Magomed!
              You probably remember how they killed the former Minister of Internal Affairs of Dagestan !!?
              One of the most irrelevant and I would say skilled fighters with this wickedness !!
              They killed his own !!!
              that’s the point, tales, * sensations * of journalists, people’s brainwashing !!
              ** Who knows what and what they are doing in the republic. And these forces are sometimes not even controlled by the Minister of Internal Affairs of the republic. ** - This is a big trouble!
              Remember the recent speech in YouTube by Robin Hood-This is a direct undermining of the authority of the authorities !!!!
              1. Lakkuchu
                Lakkuchu 14 July 2012 16: 52
                +2
                Nothing remained of the authority of the authorities for a long time, so there’s nothing to undermine. Dagestanis live separately, and the government is separate. Hence, including almost total disregard for all kinds of elections.
          3. Lakkuchu
            Lakkuchu 14 July 2012 16: 57
            +2
            Since when did Russia become a legal state ?! Or have we all become equal before the law, there are no "untouchable castes" and the courts have become independent ?!
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 14 July 2012 17: 05
              0
              ?? Since when did Russia become a rule-of-law state ?! Or have we all become equal before the law, there are no "untouchable castes" and the courts have become independent? ** - sooner or later they must become such if they want development!
  8. sergo0000
    sergo0000 14 July 2012 14: 23
    +3
    Dagestan is boiling. This is bad.
    obviously customers
    redirected to this
    republic.

    Yes, they’ve redirected them long ago! Even when they were leading the company in Chechnya, the CIA already settled in Dagestan. Just now we are reaping the benefits of their work. There is no KGB, they almost liquidated the GRU, there was no one to work on warning, on identifying Arab and NATO intelligence agents! it seems, but only a whole generation can be considered lost! Here, either to engage in explanatory work very carefully and methodically, or to identify and destroy! But again, who is the authority of young people now! In Dagestan, for the most part, there are spiritual fathers and elders!
    Here they are loyal to the authorities and denying radical Islam and are now targeted by the main blow of the terrorists. I consider the decision taken on
    almost 2000 policemen from Chechnya supported the security forces of Dagestan (adopted that week) with a sensible and well-thought-out decision of the government, and I sincerely hope that such news will appear less often on our website!
    FOR NO ONE BETTER THAN A CAUCASIAN DOESN'T KNOW THE ONE-MINISTER MENTALITY BETTER THAN A CAUCASIAN!
  9. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu 14 July 2012 14: 27
    +7
    Why Dagestan ?! Because it is the largest in territory, population (almost 3 million), the most multinational (nowhere in the world there are so many people living in such a small territory), the most religious republic of the North. The Caucasus, where religious leaders have always had a great influence on the population (not counting the last decades of Soviet power), unlike Chechnya, where there have never been competent religious authorities (they were usually invited from Dagestan). Dagestan occupies an important geostrategic position; this is access to the Caspian. Add to this a lot of problems — unemployment, the continuous corruption that accompanies the Dagestan from birth to death, the lawlessness of officials, the inadequate actions of the security forces, the lack of elementary justice, the violation of human dignity that the Dagestanis will not tolerate, the lack of a coherent youth policy, well, much more You won’t list everything. The key to peace in the Caucasus is in Dagestan!
    1. Drednout
      Drednout 14 July 2012 15: 02
      +2
      Quote: Lakkuchu
      The key to peace in the Caucasus is precisely in Dagestan

      Golden words Ruslan. To teach young people and rightly rule, avoiding provocations.
      1. Roman Dmitriev
        Roman Dmitriev 14 July 2012 15: 58
        0
        Lakkuchu, I agree with you 1000%. One can not figure it out by force methods. But those who have active resistance should be wetted so that they do not feel sympathy. am
    2. spdm
      spdm 15 July 2012 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: Lakkuchu
      a lot of problems are unemployment, the continuous corruption that accompanies the Dagestan from birth to death, the lawlessness of officials, the inadequate actions of the security forces, the lack of elementary justice, the violation of human dignity, which the Dagestanis will not tolerate, the lack of a coherent youth policy, well, much more, all you will not list. The key to peace in the Caucasus is in Dagestan!

      It is with these problems that we must begin to solve. A person who has a family, work, prospects and hope for the future will not run into the militants. Money handouts are not a solution to the issue of honor, they will plunder it all the same, some will not get it, some will simply turn into parasites.
      Only this cannot be solved by force.
  10. Recon
    Recon 14 July 2012 14: 40
    +2
    we have to go there on an armored day sad
  11. suharev-52
    suharev-52 14 July 2012 15: 48
    +1
    It is necessary to keep the Caucasus. The main funding for gangs in the Caucasus comes from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Could it be to attend to this direction of the GRU and foreign intelligence? To send specialists there and work diligently so that internal problems outweigh all external ones. Sincerely.
  12. Sorry
    Sorry 14 July 2012 17: 54
    +2
    If only external support. The whole problem is that they are supported by the local population. Everyone knows them, they wear their beards. And in general they lead their lifestyle without hiding for more than one year, and probably already twenty years. The generation grew on their ideology. Already these borachs are fixed in other Muslim territories of the Russian Federation, not only in the North Caucasus.
  13. vezunchik
    vezunchik 14 July 2012 18: 42
    +3
    It is not necessary to fight, to remove the reason leading to terrorism. Remember the experience of Henry! When he came to power in the midst of civil strife
  14. Denis
    Denis 14 July 2012 20: 36
    +1
    in Dagestan, every second person has experience in handling weapons, and every fifth person has this weapon, everyone who doesn’t legally considers himself an enemy of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and considers it worthy to die in a fight. everyone dreamed of seeing himself as a bandit, Remember?
    1. sazhka0
      sazhka0 14 July 2012 22: 09
      0
      This is the type of partisans in the Second World War? Can we start calling streets after "heroes"?
  15. sazhka0
    sazhka0 14 July 2012 21: 57
    +1
    Why Fight? Why losses? And just roll up into the asphalt using any means, Weak? Or this will violate the "rights" of a person. But it's not people. Just kill all this shit doesn't work out or what ??
  16. Oleg Rosskiyy
    Oleg Rosskiyy 15 July 2012 00: 10
    0
    This riffraff initially based in Chechnya, now moved to Dagestan, but this obscurantism comes from the camps in Georgia and Turkey, and it's time for our security officials to take the same measures as the Americans, conduct reconnaissance with satellites, and, if possible, available drones, and then destroy these " hotbeds of opposition "on the territory of" friends "of the world. At least a statement about this should be made a long time ago, so that some of the Western mongrels, to moderate their ardor.
  17. MIT
    MIT 15 July 2012 00: 45
    +1
    The difficult criminogenic situation in Dagestan is based on unresolved economic issues !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. spdm
      spdm 15 July 2012 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: MIT
      The difficult criminogenic situation in Dagestan is based on unresolved economic issues !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      (++++++++++++++++++++)
  18. Region38
    Region38 15 July 2012 02: 39
    +2
    Destroying bandits in groups of 5-7 people while incurring losses is a dead end! We must use the agents to identify the organizers and sources of funding and to understand even if they are in Qatar or London.
  19. akvald
    akvald 15 July 2012 11: 34
    +2
    And this option: "what is it beneficial to someone at the top" do not consider?
    Remember the beginning of Chechnya, who didn’t make a big deal on this, from Berezovsky to the last precinct? (I don’t want to offend those who honestly performed their duty) New Berezovskys appeared at the top, and they also want (, in the previous example), to "suck" this "tit."
    Why is no one considering this option?
    I can’t believe that Russia has become so weak that it cannot turn its head into the underground?