Military Review

The Ministry of Defense spoke about plans for the supply of Su-35С and Su-57 fighters

127
Komsomolsk-on-Amur aviation the plant (KNAAZ) has fully complied with the state defense order this year for the supply of Su-35S multipurpose fighters, transferring ahead of schedule a batch of 10 aircraft. This was announced by Deputy Minister of Defense of Russia Alexey Krivoruchko.


The Ministry of Defense spoke about plans for the supply of Su-35С and Su-57 fighters


The deputy defense minister, who visited the aircraft plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, said that the company had delivered a batch of ten Su-35С multi-role fighters ahead of schedule to the Russian Aerospace Forces, thereby fully fulfilling the state defense order for these aircraft for this year. The remaining 10 fighters will be delivered next year. At the same time, the Ministry of Defense intends to conclude a new contract for the supply of Su-35С.

KNAAZ fully fulfilled the GOZ 2019 of the year, delivering 10 Su-35С fighters ahead of schedule. We expect to receive the latest 10 machines stipulated by the current contract in the 2020 year

- declared Krivoruchko.

The deputy minister also commented on plans for the supply of fifth-generation Su-57 fighters to the aerospace forces, which are also being assembled at KNAAZ facilities. He confirmed that the first production Su-57 will enter the Russian Air Force before the end of this year, and the second production aircraft will arrive in the 2020. After which the aircraft factory will increase production in order to supply all 2028 fifth-generation fighters by the 76 year.

The first production Su-57 is almost ready and will enter the army before the end of the year. Next year we are waiting for another such aircraft, and further will increase production

- reported Krivoruchko.
127 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Something
    Something 8 November 2019 16: 39
    +23
    Fair wind! We believe and hope ...
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 8 November 2019 16: 43
      -11
      76 fighters in eight years, this is not even funny.
      1. Nastia makarova
        Nastia makarova 8 November 2019 16: 48
        +19
        76 is only 5 generations !!! others will do too
        1. okko077
          okko077 8 November 2019 18: 59
          -1
          Very naive statement.
          Until 2025, India will overtake us in the number of combat aircraft ..
          What awaits us until 2025:
          1. Of the 360 ​​simple Su-27s, about 100 Su-27SM aircraft will remain (3);
          2. About 110 Su-24Ms will be decommissioned (according to plan until 2023)
          3. Out of 220 MiG-29s, no more than 60 latest modifications will remain ...
          4. Out of 140 Mig-31, 80 will remain ...
          5. Of the 200 Su-25s, about 100 will be listed.
          6. Out of 60 TU-22M3, at best, 30 will remain ...
          What do we get? To the ridiculous numbers in the article, we add a few dozen Su-30СМ, and several Миг-35!
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 8 November 2019 19: 35
            -7
            Quote: okko077
            What do we get? To the ridiculous numbers in the article, we add a few dozen Su-30СМ, and several Миг-35!

            How much do you need?
            1. okko077
              okko077 8 November 2019 20: 07
              +7
              It is necessary to replace the bulk of the withdrawn for decommissioning. Continue the release of the Su-34, double the release of the Su-35S and Su-30SM until 2025 inclusive. Deal with the MiG-35 and produce at least 14 aircraft per year, and this is only for yourself.
            2. Flatter
              Flatter 9 November 2019 04: 41
              +3
              If the territory of the Russian Federation is reduced to the size of, for example, Portugal, then it will be good.
          2. Sky strike fighter
            Sky strike fighter 8 November 2019 19: 38
            +9
            Quote: okko077
            Very naive statement.
            Until 2025, India will overtake us in the number of combat aircraft ..
            What awaits us until 2025:
            1. Of the 360 ​​simple Su-27s, about 100 Su-27SM aircraft will remain (3);
            2. About 110 Su-24Ms will be decommissioned (according to plan until 2023)
            3. Out of 220 MiG-29s, no more than 60 latest modifications will remain ...
            4. Out of 140 Mig-31, 80 will remain ...
            5. Of the 200 Su-25s, about 100 will be listed.
            6. Out of 60 TU-22M3, at best, 30 will remain ...
            What do we get? To the ridiculous numbers in the article, we add a few dozen Su-30СМ, and several Миг-35!

            You greatly underestimate the real numbers for all types of aircraft. Draw a picture in black colors, so to speak, consciously. The link below provides detailed information.
            As of January 1, 2019, the status of the implementation of contracts for the supply of Sukhoi aircraft to the Russian Aerospace Forces is as follows:
            Su-34: Under several contracts with the Ministry of Defense since 2006, 128 serial Su-34 front-line bombers were ordered for the airborne forces, 120 of which were delivered.
            Su-30SM: Under several contracts of the Ministry of Defense since 2012, 116 Su-30SM fighter jets for the airborne forces and naval aviation were ordered, 114 of them delivered.
            Su-35S: Under two contracts with the Ministry of Defense since 2009, 98 Su-35S fighter jets were ordered for the Air Force, 78 of which were delivered.

            https://aviation21.ru/aviaciya-rossii-itogi-2018-plany-na-2019/
            1. okko077
              okko077 8 November 2019 19: 58
              -5
              This is not my data.
              https://militaryarms.ru/armii-mira/vvs-rossii/#h2_3
              This is the first!
              Where is my Su-34? The plant produced 136 aircraft in general. The contract is completed, there is no new one.
              Su-35S in service more than 110 aircraft today ... Su-30SM in service 116 at the end of 2018.
              Your data has long been outdated and not accurate .. This is secondly.
              All my figures are from open sources. Draw them cons .. Kettles!
              1. Mikhail Tynda
                Mikhail Tynda 9 November 2019 05: 25
                +9
                Do not fight. For real numbers to you in the General Staff. There they will tell you everything and show. All other sources are from the evil one.
              2. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 9 November 2019 12: 02
                +2
                they’re just discussing a new contract .. and yes .. you’re even twisting your own link .. the S-25 in the troops of 200 cars and 100 in storage .. you will still have 200 out of 100 .. to lie is not good
                1. okko077
                  okko077 9 November 2019 14: 58
                  -2
                  Boris, let's figure it out!
                  100 Su-25 aircraft in storage is a fairy tale for dummies. In the USSR there were flying storage bases. This meant that after a certain time each machine was taken up and then canned ... And the planes were in real custody .. Now there is none ... And all these 100 planes are a little more than scrap metal ... I don’t say about the features of the production of the Su-25 at the time ...
                  1. Boris Chernikov
                    Boris Chernikov 12 November 2019 00: 27
                    0
                    What do you understand? You gave the source .. and then say that the source is lying and you know better .. can you find out your rank and in which air regiment you serve once you have to believe straight?
              3. EvilLion
                EvilLion 11 November 2019 11: 47
                -3
                Man, just go and learn which planes and how many are produced. And then somehow dragged the Chinese Su-35, immediately forgot the Su-34, ...
                1. okko077
                  okko077 11 November 2019 11: 58
                  0
                  Yeah, it’s very difficult to distribute a small number of boards, and to determine where they went ... A little more than 110 boards were released at the factory ... Of these, the Chinese, aerobatic teams, and research centers, and what remains in the air force ... We divide by the piece, and read the news - the clouds fly .. A little more than 2 regiments to a huge country, and the same number of Su-30SM ?! And a bunch of junk with semi-working PRNAs ...

                  https://rg.ru/2018/12/12/reg-dfo/vks-rossii-poluchili-sotyj-sverhmanevrennyj-istrebitel-su-35s.html
                  https://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201802080717-1j9k.htm
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 11 November 2019 12: 28
                    -2
                    What kind of clouds? Show me a country that has the strength of at least 6 combat squadrons of Su-35 to pick up. Only the USA with China, maybe Japan.
                    1. okko077
                      okko077 11 November 2019 13: 32
                      -2
                      USA only

                      And they consider us an enemy! Now it is clear ?
                    2. mvg
                      mvg 15 November 2019 18: 27
                      0
                      Israel. Many modernized F-15s and F-16s. Good air defense and personnel
          3. Vlad.by
            Vlad.by 8 November 2019 23: 43
            -5
            I remember in 2008 or 2009, such "regrets" oozed from every "right liberal" media. The contract for “total” 32 Su34 is for chickens to laugh, the rest of the money for the yachts will go to the palaces too ... The stink was higher than that Ehlo ... somewhere ... koodle.
            But come on, and Utenkov was stamped, and Sushka modernized and bought new ones, and figured out with the fifth generation ...
            Yachts, I would personally, thinned out the quantity, of course. Even in some places along with the owners.
            But, everything goes. And the direction seems right to me. Though with twists.

            So, do not be shy, scare the population with numbers - like that chicken, if you don’t get scared, you’ll get warm.
          4. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 9 November 2019 12: 00
            +1
            why are you lying?)
            -India can have any number of aircraft, we are not rivals.
            1) out of 360 Su-27 there will really be very few Su-27SM / Sm3 .. The rest will be replaced by Su-30SM and Su-35
            2) Su-24M will be replaced by Su-34
            3) Mig-29 are written off and replaced by Su-30SM and Mig-35
            4) According to the MiG-31 ... it’s generally funny, because you confuse cars in storage and cars in the army .. like all other planes
            5) Who said that 100 su-25s will be written off? Except for you)
            6) Tu-22m3 in the amount of 30 nonsense cars .. for you confuse the first modernization contract with the fact that supposedly another 30 cars will be written off ... Since in fact, on the contrary, the second one will be signed after the first contract is fulfilled .. standard practice
            1. okko077
              okko077 9 November 2019 15: 04
              +1
              Do you have an idea about aviation? Do you know what a designated resource is? Stop talking nonsense, all figures are taken from open sources and analyzed and coincide with real estimates .. Funny how your assumptions and optimistic fictions are discarded ...
              1. standan
                standan 9 November 2019 22: 21
                +1
                Give a link to the sources and who analyzed it all
                1. okko077
                  okko077 10 November 2019 00: 11
                  -2
                  Is that all? ... Well, mouse in hand and go ...

                  By the way, the contract for the SU-30SM has been completed and THEY are not going to release this aircraft for the VKS anymore. They made 1 SU-30SM1 aircraft and are going to test it and 2 more need to be built for testing, but for now they will arm friends ...
                  https://dfnc.ru/c106-technika/minoborony-planiruet-zakazat-eshhyo-60-modernizirovannyh-istrebitelej-su-30sm/
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 11 November 2019 11: 48
                    -2
                    Even they were just going to 36 Su-30СМ before 2021-th to do.
                    1. okko077
                      okko077 11 November 2019 12: 28
                      -2
                      Wait ...
                      https://dfnc.ru/c106-technika/minoborony-planiruet-zakazat-eshhyo-60-modernizirovannyh-istrebitelej-su-30sm/
                      https://topwar.ru/162904-modernizirovannyj-su-30sm-poluchil-sistemu-svjazi-poslednego-pokolenija.html
              2. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 12 November 2019 00: 24
                0
                You are stupid, taking one source and he misinterpreted) ...
          5. freejack
            freejack 10 November 2019 18: 45
            0
            India will overtake us by 2025

            Horror! I tremble! :( Where did you get the info? You listed here the fleet of only aging and morally and physically diverse machines, recourse which, apparently, will not fall under modernization ...
            What about the new ones? Su-30, Su-34, Su-35, Su-57, MiG-35, Tu -160, A-100, IL-76. I omit the modernization ciphers, because I'm confused. hi

            Yes you, my friend, a pessimist (alas, a patriot) ... recourse recourse recourse
            1. okko077
              okko077 10 November 2019 22: 39
              -2
              I am an optimistic fatalist. So far I have counted almost -700 combat aircraft. In exchange, they will also build 10 Su-35S next year, several Su-57s and if they carry 5 MiG-35s, that’s all !!! So far everything is with the Su-30SM, they want to build and test the modernized Su-30SM-1. The Su-34 is also in the same spirit .... Yes, after the French sanctions, the modernization of the SU-25 sagged. we don’t have matrices for SOLT-25, but the South Korean ones are only introducing ..
              1. EvilLion
                EvilLion 11 November 2019 11: 49
                -2
                And who told you that 700 combat aircraft is not enough? Even the main NATO countries cannot 200 combat aircraft scrape together.
                1. okko077
                  okko077 11 November 2019 12: 22
                  0
                  The Americans counted warplanes:
                  https://topwar.ru/162188-v-ssha-podschitali-obschee-kolichestvo-boevoj-aviacii-v-mire.html
                  We are in third place according to their calculations - 1524 aircraft ...
                  Matches if you count everything:
                  https://militaryarms.ru/armii-mira/vvs-rossii/#h2_3
                  But in the near future, until 2025, from this list we have minus 700 aircraft, and there are almost no pluses ....
                  1. EvilLion
                    EvilLion 11 November 2019 12: 26
                    -2
                    Of these lists, almost everything Soviet has long been written off, or in long-term storage warehouses. But there are about 350-400 new aircraft from the 2008 year. The situation is similar for Indians and Chinese with their hundreds of units of small-sized obsolete trash.
                    1. okko077
                      okko077 11 November 2019 12: 50
                      0
                      The Indians and the Chinese are not enemies like ours ... Yes, and the territory of the former is smaller ... Yes, and about 300 it turns out only ...
                      1. EvilLion
                        EvilLion 11 November 2019 14: 17
                        -2
                        The Luftwaffe with less than 150 Eurofighters is a direct enemy of the enemy. Where there are Indians who, after WWII with packs, have several full-fledged wars, and China is simply surrounded by amer bases from all sides.
          6. EvilLion
            EvilLion 11 November 2019 11: 45
            -2
            How much during this time will India write off, which is confidently moving towards the fact that, in addition to the Su-30MKI, it will have nothing left in commodity quantities? Especially sad MiG-21, surviving the last days, and the bill there is huge.

            I don’t know where did the 220 MiG-29 come from, which have been decommissioned long ago, or the 360 Su-27, which have been largely written off long ago, but where the rest of the Su-30СМ, of which there are more than a hundred and about 120 Su-24, have gone.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 8 November 2019 18: 47
        +7
        Quote: Spartanez300
        76 fighters in eight years, this is not even funny.

        And the fact that the contract will probably be rewritten when the second stage engine goes into series does not occur to you?
        In addition, there will be deliveries of SU-35С and SU-30СМ ... Are you not enough?
        Pilots still need to be trained in combat training, to work at SU-57 and to prepare technicians ... this is all the time and money.
        1. Crash_117
          Crash_117 8 November 2019 22: 27
          -6
          They will rewrite it downward with the words "no money", but about those planes that are there they will say "have no analogues" and they are enough with a margin.
        2. okko077
          okko077 10 November 2019 00: 18
          -3
          The contract for SU-30SM has been completed. Nobody wants to let out anything yet! Yes, and Su-35S only 10 under the contract left !!!
          https://dfnc.ru/c106-technika/minoborony-planiruet-zakazat-eshhyo-60-modernizirovannyh-istrebitelej-su-30sm/
          Like the Su-34 and MiG-35..Although the MiG could not even make the 4th board for testing, it is going to replace all the old MiG-29s .. Cinema ?! He also climbs into India ... Straight full suckers ...
        3. EvilLion
          EvilLion 11 November 2019 14: 19
          -2
          It will not be rewritten, there will simply be a new contract, it will inevitably be, the only question is where it will be implemented, it is necessary to transfer to the production of one model in the 2020th plants in N-sk and I-sk.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 8 November 2019 19: 52
        +1
        Production is 50% of the difficulties in mastering a new product!
      4. Voyager
        Voyager 9 November 2019 00: 34
        +1
        This is the largest fighter aircraft contract in Russian history. And the pace is higher than usual. The same Su-35s were initially ordered by 48 aircraft for a production period of 6 years. And this is only the first contract. What will happen next will see. Also, pilots of the appropriate level must have time to prepare.
      5. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 9 November 2019 11: 53
        -1
        this is 12 cars a year, taking into account deliveries of 1 car the first two years
  2. Nycomed
    Nycomed 8 November 2019 16: 44
    +2
    This is all good, of course, but VERY little! angry
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 8 November 2019 16: 50
      +1
      if you also reduce the army, there will be an excess of Su. and so the norm.
      several times in different comments they put cons for the phrase "even a little bit, even a teaspoon is already good"
      more, anyway, NOTHING TO ADD!
      MO considers - enough of a teaspoon, with an atomic gull in it - will spill on someone - not much will seem
      1. Zhelezyakin
        Zhelezyakin 8 November 2019 17: 13
        +2
        Aircraft of this class is still not An 2 to collect!
        1. knn54
          knn54 8 November 2019 17: 44
          0
          DURING WWII, the plant produced at least THREE Il-4 bombers per day.
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 8 November 2019 18: 41
            +7
            Quote: knn54
            DURING WWII, the plant produced at least THREE Il-4 bombers per day.
            So that IL-4 is simpler than one rack of the Su-35 chassis.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 8 November 2019 19: 24
              +5
              Quote: Simargl
              Quote: knn54
              DURING WWII, the plant produced at least THREE Il-4 bombers per day.
              So that IL-4 is simpler than one rack of the Su-35 chassis.

              But the capabilities of the current plant are not comparable with the capabilities of the plant during the war. So, do not refer to the complexity of the SU-35 and SU-57.
              1. Vlad.by
                Vlad.by 8 November 2019 23: 59
                +5
                You try to assemble a simple TV from the blocks and configure it to “show”. At least one! And I'll see how much it takes personally and personally.
                At the aircraft factory, it’s not enough to assemble the fuselage so that it doesn’t whistle, so there are those “TVs”
                ten carts and such a small cart. And everyone will be more difficult than your "plasma" by an order. this is not counting electromechanics, hydraulics, pneumatics and other automation “on a common bus”.
                Come on, it's all a day and four pieces. And so that the “operating system” did not restart on a flyby, as some “penguins” did, it didn’t bug that the PFAR could see what it was, and not what appeared to be at the right range ... Well, a lot, a lot more to ...
                1. Ehanatone
                  Ehanatone 10 November 2019 08: 47
                  +1
                  "You try to assemble a simple TV from blocks and tune it to" show ". At least one"
                  One was never able to configure, something there all the time was sewn on ...
                  the vegetable knows where the awl is, but at the picture tube ...
                  Toko specific TU specialists were able to eliminate this ...
                  The rest gathered and tuned in for 1-2 ...
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 10 November 2019 19: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Ehanatone
                    The rest gathered and tuned in for 1-2 ...
                    So the blocks still need to be taken somewhere!
                    Well, what kind of navigation system did the IL-4 have?
                    1. Ehanatone
                      Ehanatone 10 November 2019 21: 21
                      +1
                      "Well, what kind of navigation system did the Il-4 have?"
                      I apparently put something wrong:
                      Horizon TV, blocks were taken in Minsk or Moscow winked
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 10 November 2019 21: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Ehanatone
                        I apparently put something wrong:
                        So.
                        What the Record consists of I figured out another 3 years. How alive I stayed - everyone was surprised.
                        Now imagine that there are 1000 of these "Horizons" on the plane ...
                        And in the IL-4 - 3 ...
                        But besides "TVs" - there is a lot ...
                      2. Ehanatone
                        Ehanatone 10 November 2019 21: 57
                        +2
                        There are 1000 "horizons" on the plane ...
                        And in the IL-4 - 3 ...
                        But besides "TVs" - there is a lot ... "
                        I understand correctly - the horizons of complex devices, and not televisions, as such, because in the latter case I have little idea of ​​the plane in size, at least not less than Mriya, capable of all this ... to lift this vegetable into the air .. !
                        And getting all this to work in concert is another task for bale engineers or electronic engineers, ...
                        Well, at least the Christomatian example with the only sensor turned off, cost the elves a green lard! ...
                2. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 10 November 2019 23: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Vlad.by

                  At the aircraft factory, it’s not enough to assemble the fuselage so that it doesn’t whistle, so there are those “TVs”

                  You either do not understand or do not want to understand what I mean.
                  I will give an analogy. The child is 10 years old and he assembled a detector receiver, and the receiver worked.
                  Today you are 40 years old, behind a school, a specialized institute, work experience. And you complain that it’s not easy to assemble a TV, and even to make it work. And refer to what the boy was just doing the detector receiver. Say it can not be compared with the TV either in the number of parts or in the complexity of the assembly. It turns out that you put yourself on a par with the child. Not ashamed?
                  1. Vlad.by
                    Vlad.by 10 November 2019 23: 46
                    +1
                    Conversation of the blind with the deaf ....
                    And you are not ashamed.
                  2. Simargl
                    Simargl 11 November 2019 18: 24
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Say it can not be compared with the TV either in the number of parts or in the complexity of the assembly.
                    The comparison is somewhat incorrect. Rather, a detector receiver and a telecentre.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 11 November 2019 20: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Simargl
                      The comparison is somewhat incorrect. Rather, a detector receiver and a telecentre.

                      Yes, I'm not talking about that !!! I am about a child without education and about an uncle with a higher education and work experience !!! Which also refers to the fact that the child, they say, was just making a detector receiver, and I have to make some complicated TV.
                      Nobody says that Drying is easy to do. But how many factories worked to make IL-4? 5? 7? And to make drying?
                      1. Simargl
                        Simargl 13 November 2019 04: 50
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        But how many factories worked to make IL-4? 5? 7? And to make drying?
                        The problem is understanding ... IL-4 was designed for how much? For a couple of years of operation, if you're lucky? And drying? thirty? Is thoroughness different too?
                        And I was not in vain talking about the price.
                      2. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 13 November 2019 11: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Simargl
                        The problem is understanding ... IL-4 was designed for how much? For a couple of years of operation, if you're lucky? And drying? thirty? Is thoroughness different too?
                        And I was not in vain talking about the price.

                        Fu you well you, I told him about Thomas, and again he told me about Yerema.
                      3. Simargl
                        Simargl 14 November 2019 04: 05
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I told him about Thomas, and he again about Yerema.
                        Yes, at least what kind of education you have - you won’t work faster! Education, equipment and skill will give only the opportunity to make a thing.
                        In addition, and it is necessary - to drive as you want? Suppose there is an order for 100 aircraft, the design capacity (space, equipment) - allows you to make them in a year. They will recruit people, do ... and then?
                        Yes, even if they don’t type somehow they will make them work faster (where will the quality go?) - then what?
                      4. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 14 November 2019 21: 04
                        0
                        [quote = Simargl] Yes, at least what kind of education you have - you won’t work faster! [/ quote]
                        Andrey, for the last time, I’ll try to explain the essence of the dispute.
                        Quote: knn54
                        DURING WWII, the plant produced at least THREE Il-4 bombers per day.
                        Your words -So that IL-4 is simpler than one rack of the Su-35 chassis. [/ Quote]
                        My words - [quote = Krasnoyarsk]
                        But the capabilities of the current plant are not comparable with the capabilities of the plant during the war. So, do not refer to the complexity of the SU-35 and SU-57. [/ Quote]
                        Now I will add: The modern plane is certainly much more complicated than the plane of the Second World War. But ... Personally, you do not build the entire plane, you do a certain PART of the work. Let's say you are engaged in electrical equipment of an aircraft. (I'm simplifying for a general understanding). Do you make your own wiring harnesses? No, they are made by women on the stocks. It's up to you to put it in place and strengthen it. It is very difficult? Further, maybe you, maybe another team, puts an email. engines to their famous places. Then someone connects them. Is it very difficult to connect where 3, where 4 marked wires to the motor? And so in everything. The entire plane is "broken" into knots and you personally make only one knot. And what a fool one must be so as not to study this knot thoroughly, no matter how complex it may be.
                        It’s more difficult for the adjusters, they need to know all the email. scheme.
                        On this I propose to end our pointless argument.
                      5. Simargl
                        Simargl 15 November 2019 06: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Now add:
                        It seems that the task is difficult for you with excavators. One digger digs a hole in an hour. How long will it take 100 diggers?
                      6. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 15 November 2019 09: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Simargl
                        It seems that the task is difficult for you with excavators. One digger digs a hole in an hour. How long will it take 100 diggers?

                        If it’s no secret, where and in whose capacity do you work?
                        If I understand your reasoning correctly, I’ll notice - there’s 100 yam too
                      7. Simargl
                        Simargl 15 November 2019 15: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        If it’s no secret, where and in whose capacity do you work?
                        Let's just say this: my work path is winding.

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        If I understand your reasoning correctly, I’ll notice - there’s 100 yam too
                        This is with a fright? There is only one pit, but we can talk about speed only if we agree on the configuration of the pit (if simplified - D / W / H).
                        I say: the task is complicated.
                      8. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 15 November 2019 20: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Simargl
                        This is with a fright? There is only one pit, but we can only talk about speed

                        That's it. With what fright is the pit alone? Do you think leaders are such idiots that they will send 100 people to dig one hole?
                        I have 43 years of experience at the factory, I worked with different managers, good and not very good, but there were no obvious idiots among them.
                        Quote: Simargl
                        I say: the task is complicated.

                        No, not at all. But it is not solved using the configuration of the pit, but using the optimal number of diggers.
                        I understand what you are hinting at - the increase in the number of employees for the production of 3 aircraft per day (as during the Second World War) thereby agreed with me that it was not the difficulty of drying, but the absence of the need to increase aircraft production.
                      9. Simargl
                        Simargl 15 November 2019 21: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        With what fright is the pit alone?
                        Uh ... according to the conditions of the problem.
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        But it is not solved using the configuration of the pit, but using the optimal number of diggers.
                        Like BE ... no.

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I understand what you are hinting at - the increase in the number of employees for the production of 3 aircraft per day (as during the Second World War) thereby agreed with me that it was not the difficulty of drying, but the absence of the need to increase aircraft production.
                        Again:
                        Quote: Simargl
                        2 - there is an opportunity, but they do not use it to build up the pace so that people do not have to be expelled on unpaid leave, while they lost their qualifications and scattered,
                        3 - a significant increase in production speed is impossible without the involvement of additional workers and an increase in the equipment fleet
                        What pace the plant is designed for - we have no idea, but it's not 3 planes a day, I think, otherwise it would be empty in the shops. Those. the rate of 3-4 times can be increased without shift work.

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        And the difficulty of drying has nothing to do with it.
                        Moreover. The problem with the diggers and the pit is not understood. Unfortunately.
                        ... okay, in a different way: evaluate the duration of the production cycle of these aircraft ...
                      10. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 15 November 2019 23: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Simargl
                        Moreover. The problem with the diggers and the pit is not understood. Unfortunately.

                        We speak different languages. This is the first thing. Second, your statement that 3 planes a day (as during the Second World War) is impossible, because "one drying rack is the most difficult of all TU." In the end, we came to an agreement that low drying is not due to the complexity, I mean units of machines, and not their cost, etc., but the absence of the need to increase the production of units for a certain time.
                        Despite your constant search for the configuration of the pits and the number of diggers.
                        Let's stop the stupid conversation, otherwise you will go from the holes to the trenches, and from them to dig tunnels.
                      11. Simargl
                        Simargl 16 November 2019 06: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        We speak different languages.
                        Конечно.

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        In the end, it was agreed that it was not the complexity of drying that caused the low, I mean the units of machines, not their cost, etc., but the lack of the need to increase the production of units over a certain time.
                        1 - no need
                        2 - the plant’s capacities do not allow because of ... the complexity, size and duration of the assembly technological cycle (plant area, size of the machine park and qualified personnel)
                        3 - Drying is done every 50 times by people (most likely I’m modest)
                        4 - personnel qualification, in the case of increasing production (training people for the production of a simple aircraft is less long).

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Despite your constant search for the configuration of the pits and the number of diggers.
                        I repeat once again: you do not understand the analogy, you cannot solve the problem.

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Let's stop the stupid conversation, otherwise you will go from the holes to the trenches, and from them to dig tunnels.
                        Based on misunderstanding (solution methods) - it makes no sense to multiply the conditions of the problem.
                        If you apply a "hole" to an airplane ... one person puts a tourniquet on an airplane for a week, how long will it take 100 people to put it down?
                        Or, even funnier: how much faster will your work be done?
                      12. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 16 November 2019 08: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: Simargl
                        2 - the plant’s capacities do not allow because of ... complexity,

                        Do you have cognitive dissonance, or stubborn unwillingness to admit your wrong? I hope the latter, otherwise it’s completely a trumpet.
                        Because all the other items listed by you, if there is this item, lose their meaning.
                        Quote: Simargl
                        You do not understand the analogy; you cannot solve the problem.

                        If the student cannot solve the problem, then who is to blame?
                        Quote: Simargl
                        If you apply a "hole" to an airplane ... one person puts a tourniquet on an airplane for a week, how long will it take 100 people to put it down?

                        Only a sofa theorist can pose the question this way. The practitioner would never pose the question. Who are you?!! I'm with whom ...? !!
                      13. Simargl
                        Simargl 16 November 2019 13: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Because all the other items listed by you, if there is this item, lose their meaning.
                        belay The second consequence of the first.
                        The third - indirectly refers to the first two.
                        Fourth - to the third.
                        So this is nonsense.

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        If the student cannot solve the problem, then who is to blame?
                        Do you blame the incompetence of your teachers? I am not a teacher.

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        The practitioner would never pose the question. Who are you?!! I'm with whom ...? !!
                        How BE ... would put a woodpecker-manager who would try to force to increase the speed of aircraft production by the extensive method (catching up untrained people)
                      14. Simargl
                        Simargl 15 November 2019 07: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Your business to put it in place and strengthen. It is very difficult?
                        How the installation is done, I already know without you - this is my job ... was, although not in aviation.
                        Now the plant makes about 30 aircraft per year, i.e. approximately one in 10 days, i.e. about 30 times slower, but 50-70 more expensive and time-consuming products. And about their effectiveness generally need to be silent.
                      15. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 15 November 2019 09: 46
                        0
                        Quote: Simargl

                        Now the plant makes about 30 aircraft per year, i.e. approximately one in 10 days, i.e. about 30 times slower, but 50-70 more expensive and time-consuming products. And about their effectiveness generally need to be silent.

                        What you stubborn slow-witted. I will pose the question differently.
                        One plane is let out in 10 days because they are super complex, laborious, efficient, which is not worth talking about, or because there is no need to produce one plane, say, in 5 days?
                      16. Simargl
                        Simargl 15 November 2019 15: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        What you stubborn slow-witted.
                        Put the label in your pocket.

                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I will pose the question differently.
                        One plane is let out in 10 days because they are super complex, laborious, efficient, which is not worth talking about, or because there is no need to produce one plane, say, in 5 days?
                        All the reasons for you to list?
                        1 - no need to release more
                        2 - there is an opportunity, but they do not use it to build up the pace so that people do not have to be expelled on unpaid leave, while they lost their qualifications and scattered,
                        3 - a significant increase in production speed is impossible without the involvement of additional workers and an increase in the equipment fleet
                        4 - no orders - no pace.
                        What am I misunderstanding?
                      17. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 15 November 2019 20: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Simargl
                        What am I misunderstanding?

                        Well, finally, you got it right. And the difficulty of drying has nothing to do with it. What I told you about from the very beginning. hi
              2. Chaldon48
                Chaldon48 9 November 2019 01: 57
                -1
                The machine stock in the factories is worn out, and it is difficult to get new ones now. Necessary. raise your machine tool industry, this is the foundation of our entire industry.
                1. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 11 November 2019 11: 54
                  -2
                  Wonderful nonsense said. The whole machine park at KnaAZ should have been updated yet, the devil knows when, because it has been fully loaded for a long time.
              3. Simargl
                Simargl 10 November 2019 19: 15
                0
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                But the capabilities of the current plant are not comparable with the capabilities of the plant during the war.
                I think if the plant is reconfigured for the production of IL-4, then he can produce them 10 per day. Just what is the point?
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                So, do not refer to the complexity of the SU-35 and SU-57.
                Those. if one is only at a price about 50-70 times more expensive than the other - is that a measure of complexity and labor?
              4. Zhelezyakin
                Zhelezyakin 11 November 2019 12: 10
                0
                Dear, do you know the machine time for manufacturing one single-crystal turbine turbine engine blade with an internal cooling system? What about the drive? Engine assembly cycle? I can’t say for the glider, but the full cycle of manufacturing and assembling one gas turbine engine is not one month. And you don’t confuse the gross (I don’t know how this term sounds correctly) serial production at times simpler than simple aircraft and the execution of a piece series, with clear, painted delivery cards for assemblies.
          2. svp67
            svp67 8 November 2019 18: 59
            +1
            Quote: knn54
            DURING WWII, the plant produced at least THREE Il-4 bombers per day.

            Do you propose to return to their release?
          3. yaros
            yaros 8 November 2019 21: 11
            +1
            During the war, pilots were trained for six months .... we have a shortage of flight crews, by the way, like the Amers ..... And there are several dozen elite pilots, no newcomers will be put on such a machine ....
          4. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 9 November 2019 12: 04
            -1
            those. Su-57 and IL-4 are the same technologically?
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 10 November 2019 21: 43
              +1
              Quote: Boris Chernikov
              those. Su-57 and IL-4 are the same technologically?
              For some, yes. They are with wings and fly ...
      2. dirk182
        dirk182 8 November 2019 17: 20
        -5
        And where are more of them? we do not have enough pilots. Apparently, while the purchases are in accordance with the number of personnel. And the Su-57 is likely to be purchased with the first stage engines not much. In the 2022nd they promise to put the engine of the second stage.
        1. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 9 November 2019 12: 06
          0
          namely, our VKS in fact has been very much modernized, and there are very few old machines, so the order is not so big .. moreover, by the end of it some Su-57M will be rolled out ...
    2. awg75
      awg75 8 November 2019 18: 22
      0
      Dear writer. There can be no global war with Russia, since we, together with the adversary, will destroy the rest of Mother Earth with the rest. Therefore, the Russian Ministry of Defense believes that this amount is enough to appease clowns like Ukraine. Something like this.
      1. Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 10 November 2019 09: 03
        +1
        "The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation believes that this amount will be enough to pacify clowns like Ukraine"
        About the Sumerians, I completely agree, but ...
        but somewhere around 10 hours ago there was a message that during the digging of the Caspian Gulf the ancient Sumerian air defense system tsy-125 was dug up ... and specialists historians were able to decipher and put it into service with the SSU ..
        so zrada however! ... wassat
        But about the nucleus-loaf of the apocalypse, alas, it’s not enough for us to charge even plainly to squander the arrogant Saxons into the toilet bowl of history, not counting any tribalts there ..
        Again zrada.! ... laughing
    3. Charik
      Charik 8 November 2019 18: 35
      -2
      Good things come in small packages
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 November 2019 19: 13
      +6
      Quote: Nycomed
      This is all good, of course, but Very little! angry


      We have pilots on "lots of" will not be enough. Schools still need to be restored, which Taburetkin abused.
    5. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 9 November 2019 12: 04
      -1
      taking into account previous contracts, this is just good .. either before ordering less
  3. marshes
    marshes 8 November 2019 16: 46
    +3
    Kazakhstan, even if it needs the Su-57 squadron in the air defense variant, is an afterburner supersonic regime, little noticeability. Yes, and Covering the whole of Kazakhstan from the Karaganda region will perform the same functions as the MIG-31, it’s real that there is one link on the wing.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 8 November 2019 19: 15
      -1
      Quote: marshes
      Kazakhstan, at least a Su-57 squadron

      Offer to give?
      1. marshes
        marshes 8 November 2019 19: 18
        +1
        Quote: Piramidon
        Offer to give?

        Buy, but at least 100, although how to sell for 57.
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 9 November 2019 12: 07
      0
      Well, so no one forbids, buy the Su-57E
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 November 2019 16: 48
    -8
    But such a statement of his does not look like an attempt to partially dissolve state secret in the light of recent decisions to restrict the submission of this kind of information?
    1. dirk182
      dirk182 8 November 2019 17: 26
      0
      The information is freely available in the media approved by Roskomnadzor. So the article is, so to speak, an abstract on the topic: ""
  5. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 8 November 2019 16: 49
    +1
    I want to remind you, the first flight of the T-50 was shown on television in January 2010. Many or few almost 10 years before the series. I'd like to believe that dopili from and to!
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 8 November 2019 17: 30
      +1
      Well, unlike "partners", we first bring the technique to mind, and then into the series. And by the way, it was about the same with the 27th, it took a long time before it went into production, for the same 10 years, this is a completely normal cycle.
  6. Proton
    Proton 8 November 2019 17: 00
    +1
    So I think that such small batches of aircraft, (10 pcs) per year, are due to lack of capacity, for export there again, there is also su57 there, it’s not enough, very little annually request
    And so it’s good that they even exist good
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 9 November 2019 12: 08
      -1
      this is just the standard capacity of the plant for the production of 10-12 cars a year .. if you do more, then you need to recruit people and teach .. for 8 years no one will do this, especially taking into account the experience of the Su-34
  7. senima56
    senima56 8 November 2019 17: 15
    +3
    "... to deliver all 2028 fifth-generation fighters by 76 ..." - well, the pace is "space"! fool And with such indicators, we say something about "export supplies"! fool
    1. Lena Petrova
      Lena Petrova 8 November 2019 17: 27
      +2
      Well, most likely, just the export limit is provided, regardless of the issue for the domestic market. Hi-End equipment is not at all for the average consumer. Most have enough Hi-Fi. And cheaper than multiple, and the quality is quite.
      1. yaros
        yaros 8 November 2019 21: 15
        0
        Duc to each of a pair of "Hunters", nothing will turn out so-so, the hunters should be cheaper, the pilot's life support and control system is very expensive ...
    2. K-612-O
      K-612-O 8 November 2019 17: 27
      -2
      You note that a modern aircraft is far from even a Su-27, the equipment is much more complicated, there are no more parts, there is no automated assembly, and components are not riveted at the 57th half of the world, like in the USA. And by the way, we produce more US cham per year.
    3. bars1
      bars1 8 November 2019 17: 37
      0
      Probably in the year 21-22 another contract for the Su-57 will be concluded ...
  8. Berkut24
    Berkut24 8 November 2019 17: 18
    0
    reported Krivoruchko

    ... Losses with quality did not disappoint ....
  9. knn54
    knn54 8 November 2019 17: 19
    0
    But is this not classified information, or I don’t understand something ...
    1. Chicha squad
      Chicha squad 8 November 2019 17: 32
      0
      Have you heard about information weapons?
    2. bars1
      bars1 8 November 2019 17: 39
      0
      knn54 If it is as you suggest, we will discuss foreign technology and history
  10. Chicha squad
    Chicha squad 8 November 2019 17: 33
    0
    And what about the Su-34? Will no longer be released?
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 8 November 2019 18: 24
      +2
      recently announced a new contract
    2. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 9 November 2019 12: 10
      0
      will be ... now discussing the timing and size .. the whole point is that they are now developing a Su-34M-modernized version, taking into account the experience of Syria and progress over the past 10 years .. So most likely the contract will be for 2 years in the amount of at least 18 cars , and then most likely they will upgrade the Su-34 combatant
  11. Ros 56
    Ros 56 8 November 2019 18: 31
    +6
    What a fashion to share the skin of an unkilled bear, so when you put the planes in pieces, then quietly and tell.
  12. parkello
    parkello 8 November 2019 18: 39
    0
    8 years of work on 76 fighters ... too long. Although pragmatic winked and still I want to believe that they will master much earlier all 76.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 8 November 2019 19: 48
      +1
      There, not only the Su-57 is assembled.
      1. parkello
        parkello 8 November 2019 21: 21
        +2
        I am aware of Srhey, but the state order, all the power must be connected. And this means that Irkut will be able to help and Novosibirsk will not be shoplifting. Someone somewhere will unload someone in the "civilian world", and the rest - God ordered. .. he flew away and whispered to us, fly!
  13. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 8 November 2019 18: 49
    0
    The good news is that our defense industry enterprises are already operating stably, and now both the aerospace forces, the IMF, and the ground forces almost entirely receive military products. The power of our troops was already felt by the United States and panicked, yes, those of them who saw and understood it panicked. And therefore, on their part, provocations of a non-military nature and at the same time multifaceted became more frequent, in order to fragment our forces and distract from the main directions. And now the main thing for us is to stay cold-headed and calculate ahead what to do and what needs to be done in the future for 5, 10, 20 years ahead.
  14. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 8 November 2019 19: 52
    +1
    76 aircraft in 8 years is not a conveyor, this is manual assembly
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 8 November 2019 19: 54
    +1
    It seems to me that it’s time to modernize the Su35 / 30 with new AFAR and brains from the 57th and supply such machines already. If it’s hard to switch to mass production 57x
  16. ezdiumno ru
    ezdiumno ru 8 November 2019 20: 26
    0
    It’s good that the army is being re-equipped.
    It’s better to feed your army than someone else’s.
  17. Armata T-14
    Armata T-14 8 November 2019 20: 27
    +3
    Thousands and a half, at least, of these should be before 2035-2040, then go to the 6th generation
  18. Nait
    Nait 8 November 2019 20: 54
    -2
    Quote: marshes
    Well, download, by the way, since 92, oil production has been increased 2.7 times,

    Actually 4 times.
    Downloaded in the region of 20 million tons, now in the region of 80ti.
    We sit clean on the pipe .....
    And so RK-oil = worse than Kyrgyzstan, because they already somehow learned to live without allied subsidies and oil from them
    no. Well, how to live? - Poor of course ...
  19. Ehanatone
    Ehanatone 8 November 2019 23: 56
    +1
    What an advertisement for a wedding, whose place is at best on ren TV etc. ...
  20. bars1
    bars1 9 November 2019 00: 05
    0
    Quote: Vlad.by
    The contract for “total” 32 Su34 is for chickens to laugh, the rest of the money for the yachts will go to the palaces ...

    This is what inspires hope that they will conclude a contract for the Su-57 in the near future.
  21. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 9 November 2019 13: 11
    +2
    "The Ministry of Defense told about the plans" - we have plans - always get hurt ...
    According to previous plans, it seems, in 19, 2wa should have been allowed ...