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Why Russia forgave Africa 20 billions of dollars of debt

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Russian President Vladimir Putin recently announced the cancellation of more than 20 billion dollars of debt to countries in the African continent. And this is far from all the debts of foreign states that have been written off over the past decades.




What debts and to whom


To begin with, debts are written off, which at one time the countries of Africa and, to a lesser extent, Asia and Latin America took from the Soviet Union. During the Cold War, Moscow generously supplied money to friendly regimes around the world, as a rule, demanding only political loyalty in return.

The main recipients of Soviet financial and military assistance were those third world states that expressed their readiness to follow the socialist course and provided the USSR with their territories for the deployment of military bases, supported the Soviet Union at the United Nations, that is, they were the military-political allies of Moscow.

However, the Soviet Union collapsed, and almost the entire socialist camp collapsed with it. Most of the debtors, of course, were not only not going to return any money, but could not - not before that of most African countries, which themselves are in a deplorable economic situation. In addition, Moscow did not have real leverage over African countries to repay debts, and the very existence of debt obligations made it possible to have a certain influence on the policies of third world countries even after the Soviet Union collapsed.

Moscow began to write off debts back in the 1990 years, but the vast majority of debts written off accounted for the years of the presidency of Vladimir Putin and Dmitry Medvedev, that is - for the past two decades. It was at this time that Russia intensified its activity in the international arena, again restoring lost ties with Asian and African countries. And from 2000 of the year, according to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, 140 billion dollars of debts were written off.

In the first place on the written off debts - Cuba. Our country has forgiven Liberty Island for more than 30 billion dollars. At one time, Cuba received tremendous help from the USSR, because in the conditions of the US-organized economic blockade, the island simply could not exist independently. Thanks to Soviet funding, modern infrastructure was built in Cuba and the Cuban army was armed.

In the 1990-s, they talked a lot about the colossal debts of Cuba to our country, as well as that there was nothing to pay Havana for debts. As a result, Russia began to write off debts, since, on the one hand, there was no hope of their return, and on the other hand, Cuba is one of the few Russian-friendly states in Latin America and this is very important, including with the military strategic point of view.

In second place in the amount of debts written off - Iraq. This country, by the way, was never exactly socialist, and the assessments of the regime of Saddam Hussein are very controversial. But the Soviet Union regularly funded the government of the Arab National Socialist Party Baath, investing huge sums in the economy and armed forces of Iraq.

Baghdad owed Moscow 21,5 billion dollars. Then the USSR collapsed, and then the regime of Saddam Hussein collapsed in Iraq. The situation in this country was destabilized, as a result of the war, the economy was undermined. However, unlike Cuba, Iraq has oil. A lot of oil.

The third place - over 20 billion dollars - is shared among various countries of the African continent. Only between 2000 and 2013. Russia wrote off debts of Ethiopia - 5,9bn dollars, Algeria - 4,7 billion dollars, Libya - 4,5 billion dollars. And these are just three African states that maintained close ties with Moscow during the Cold War.

In the African countries were delivered weapon, military equipment. Soviet specialists and for Soviet money built infrastructure in African countries - from enterprises to hospitals, from schools to military units. Tens of thousands of African civilian and military specialists were trained in the USSR. True, in return the USSR received the right to use ports and airfields in African countries.

By the way, the United States also invested quite a lot in its African, Asian, and especially Hispanic allies. Such is the fate of a great power. Like Moscow, Washington likewise contained dozens of underdeveloped states around the world, hoping that they would support it in confronting the "communist threat." True, if Americans invested in the construction of civilian facilities, it was much less than the USSR.

In addition to African countries, Russia wrote off debts of Mongolia - for 11,1 billion dollars, to Afghanistan - for the same amount, North Korea - for 11 billion dollars, Syria - for 9,78 billion dollars, Vietnam - for 9,53 billion dollars, Laos - for 960 million dollars, Kyrgyzstan - by 500 million dollars, Nicaragua - by 344 million dollars.

The list is quite impressive, especially since everything is clear with Nicaragua or Laos, but Vietnam has one of the most prosperous and dynamically developing economies in the Asia-Pacific region. Algeria and Libya, like Iraq, are oil-producing states with huge reserves of “black gold”.

But Libya, like Iraq, is in a deplorable state after the war - its economy is almost destroyed, and the country's political system is decentralized and chaotic. It is not even clear from which Libyan "government" it would be necessary to demand a return of debts, given that there are several political forces in the country that claim to be the official authorities.



Bad debt


Recently, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has acted as the “advocate” of debt cancellation policies. He emphasized that at 90% the debts written off were bad. He also expressed doubt that modern Russia, its economy, would be greatly helped by the returned money.

I don’t think that the amounts you are talking about that are inherited from the Soviet Union would solve some internal problems and would help to substantially solve them,

- said Lavrov, speaking at the youth educational forum "Territory of meanings."

According to the Minister of Foreign Affairs, debts were collected by third world countries in the situation when the USSR was not part of the global monetary and financial system. And this fact, according to Lavrov, significantly complicates the calculation of debts. After all, officially the dollar exchange rate was 63 pennies. Now we are talking about completely different amounts.

As Lavrov noted, it is very difficult legally to prove at what rate the debts of the Soviet Union were provided to African countries. Therefore, it is not possible to return them, especially considering that the total amount is divided into debts of specific states, and each state would begin to defend its point of view in a judicial proceeding.

By the way, if we compare the amount of 20 billion dollars with Russian GDP, then it does not look so significant. Thus, existing debts to Russia are estimated at approximately 40 billion dollars, but this figure is only 1 / 40 of Russia's GDP. Our country earns such money a little more than a week. And if in her interests, political and economic, such an amount of debts collected not today, but half a century ago, is forgiven, then why can not this be done?



Pros of written-off debts


The policy of debt forgiveness is explained, first of all, by the foreign policy interests of Russia. In exchange for forgiven debts, Moscow receives certain preferences in the markets of the African continent. Indeed, today African countries are the third after China and India to buy Russian weapons and military equipment. And Russia does not want to complicate relations with profitable partners.

In addition, a number of African countries have their own interests and the largest Russian companies. For example, the Russian Rusal operates in Guinea, since up to two thirds of the world's bauxite reserves are concentrated in this African country. Russia is also interested in the natural resources of the Central African Republic and a number of other African states.

A separate issue is military-political cooperation: it is possible that in the foreseeable future Russian military facilities may appear in Africa, for example, material and technical support points for the Russian Navy. In the changing world political situation, the possibility of a military presence in Africa is also of great interest to our country. And for this opportunity, according to the Kremlin, one can pay.

Now Africa is one of the most promising regions of the planet for investing funds. Therefore, good relations with African countries are important for Russia, and the president pays so much attention to meetings with African leaders. It is not in vain that not only the former European metropolises, but also Chinese, Japanese, Indian, and South Korean companies work so densely in Africa. And our country, if it wants to develop, to ensure the utilization of its own production capacities, jobs for its citizens, not to mention political influence, should not miss the moment.

For example, the benefit from the participation of Russian Railways in the development of rail services on the African continent can be many times greater than the total amount of debt forgiven to all African countries. The same goes for other companies that have their own interests on the African continent.

Critics of debt relief to African countries have little idea of ​​how Russia could receive these debts back. Go to Ethiopia war? Arrest furniture at Laos embassy? It was not in vain that Lavrov directly noted that most of the debts were irrecoverable and, most importantly, those of the Soviet Union, which broke up thirty years ago. Now Russia needs to live in the current moment, earn money and gain political weight today, and not the day before yesterday.



You have to pay for everything, including the status and capabilities of a great power. And the USA, and China, and European countries - they all invest, invest in the development of industry in third world countries. As for the United States, they directly support many of their allies, finance their armed forces - and not only in Central America or Africa, but also in the Middle East (the same Syrian Kurds until recently), in Eastern Europe (Ukraine, the Baltic States, Poland, Kosovo), in Central Asia (Afghanistan).

By the way, the USA or China, like Russia, has its own unsolved problems of a socio-economic nature. But this does not mean that we must put an end to foreign policy and investment, to the assertion of our influence in other countries of the world.

The reluctance to invest in foreign policy, albeit by writing off debts, in the future could lead to much more serious consequences for the Russian economy than the loss of these hypothetical twenty billion.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 30 October 2019 05: 56
    +49
    Critics of debt relief to African countries have little idea of ​​how Russia could receive these debts back. Go to Ethiopia war? Arrest furniture at Laos embassy?
    This is ... hard ... it is much easier to take away housing from the unfortunate "mortgagee".
    1. Commissar77
      Commissar77 30 October 2019 06: 12
      +31
      Strictly speaking, dozens and dozens of forgiven and written-off billions were written off by the Russian budget - this is something where, in theory, streams of varying degrees of full flow flow to various events, including those for which the population is required to keep.
      But here are the contracts for all the billions mentioned, but quite different, that are contracts with private companies. Not with the budget, of course. And the companies work with them simply: the income is not just exported, but not even imported into the country. And the truth is, if in some Mongolia you obtained palladium, sold it, for example, in China, and registered somewhere on the Virgin Islands, then where is Russia in this scheme?
      1. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 30 October 2019 07: 08
        +25
        And for our citizens who are not able to pay loans for various reasons, forgive weakly, or we did not go out with a snout.
        1. Jerk
          Jerk 30 October 2019 07: 17
          -18
          This is for you. From the captain of the Soviet army.
          https://shurigin.livejournal.com/828567.html
          And from me - his quote: “But if the organizers of these rallies move on to the Maidan scenario, if they lead the deceived Moscow youth into an assault, then let them not complain about the cruelty of suppressing the protest later. And not only by the hands of the National Guard OMON. I personally do not intend to break up my country. "
          For those like you - in exchange for what forgiven? Further tell? Go fuck it up - he has a hanging of 83 lam for lying and breaks off the unemployed ninth vacation for a year
          1. Jerk
            Jerk 30 October 2019 07: 44
            -22
            By the way, there was such a joke ... Nasralnye in 2015 were going to arrange shabash under NG. Well, I am a spartacus, we have such a close-knit team. The funny thing is that from the old people, let's just say ... Without shoulder straps - a couple of people, and there is also an underground Alpha. just for generalizing. Story on the forum. "can we come? - cool down, you work, I work ... When we come, they will be disassembled for parts"
            That day I ran alongside, and saw the cops on the Manezh - with the shields out, they wouldn’t overwhelm the defenders with something, but they would keep it safe.
            But then it was so-so. But seriously ... This is not Kiev
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 30 October 2019 09: 29
              +17
              Quote: Jerk
              Well, I'm a Spartacus, we have such a close-knit team.

              Those. do you think that those who can shoot and kill are only on your side? White also thought so. And your remarks speak of a lack of mind. “It’s easy to take power with bayonets, sitting uncomfortable.” Unresolved problems that you want to solve by force will break any system. It’s easy to start the Civil War, it’s hard to end it. It is just like you who lead the country to collapse, first of all, with your foolishness
              1. Jerk
                Jerk 30 October 2019 10: 27
                -17
                You know, and I will answer you with an example.

                My one-year-old, Lyaksey, a special pinniped, the 73rd center, took the oath in life alone. And the knife that I gave him, well, what was left of the knife was seen on Saurka. And about him the APU barked after 2 days and he died in Zaporozhye
                I don’t need to get my wife’s pension - the commander of the naval special forces perished in the rear! Cookie, bihe mother choked
                They know how to shoot. with Zinchenka - you just had to see him. Yes, that's Fenya - there are people. Afghans really shudder at the word Ukrainian - and the army is dumb. gang. How did they kill this Zinchenka - to tell? Nails with a microscope, pretty much drank blood, but motorized infantry would be cooler
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 30 October 2019 12: 37
                  +8
                  and what is it for?
                  1. Jerk
                    Jerk 30 October 2019 13: 16
                    -19
                    You can not understand. Go past
              2. Jerk
                Jerk 30 October 2019 10: 35
                -17
                I know that filming commercials are NOT on my side. Move by the way
          2. Living7111972
            Living7111972 1 November 2019 11: 41
            +1
            Long live Tiananmen!
        2. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 30 October 2019 11: 35
          -4
          I don’t think that now they are demanding from citizens the debts they made during the Soviet period.
        3. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 30 October 2019 12: 17
          -3
          Bad debts to citizens are written off. Through bankruptcy proceedings. Almost two trillion were written off.
        4. Lexus
          Lexus 30 October 2019 14: 14
          +6
          And for our citizens who are not able to pay loans for various reasons, forgive weakly, or we did not go out with a snout.

          We have not been ours for a long time. And you understand that very well.
        5. Svarog
          Svarog 30 October 2019 20: 21
          +1
          Quote: Spartanez300
          And for our citizens who are not able to pay loans for various reasons, forgive weakly, or we did not go out with a snout.

          So we do not consider us "our own" we are needed in order to make money on us .. and when we can no longer earn money .. then they will dispose of it .. It is difficult to imagine how to get a job after 50, but it is still far from retirement ... recycling.
          1. Lexus
            Lexus 30 October 2019 20: 56
            +1
            Uryakalka do not climb here, they quietly minus. But on the next branch about the construction of a submarine for the Pacific Fleet according to an outdated project, they attacked me with all the "cock" angle. I was already registered as Ukrainians, and I was sent off to the hohlyatsky forums. I really went in out of interest ... and did not find the difference. The same impenetrable stupidity, swinish rudeness, bestial rage and the same stupid "urya". laughing laughing laughing
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 30 October 2019 21: 00
              -2
              Quote: lexus
              The same impenetrable stupidity, swinish rudeness, bestial rage and the same stupid "urya".

              Duck, they have such a job .. they don’t like the truth, and those who tell the truth they spread rot together ..
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 30 October 2019 21: 11
                +3
                You have distributed them very sensibly recently. And yes, hangers-on at the trough and terpily rams are very noticeable among them, waiting for "royal" favor. And all those who disagree with the injustice in their eyes are agents of the State Department on a salary.
              2. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 31 October 2019 13: 56
                0
                Quote: Svarog
                Duck, they have such a job .. they don’t like the truth, and those who tell the truth they spread rot together ..

                laughing Svarog about what truth are you sculpting? I have read a lot of your comments. You have one chatter and lies. Not a single fact, but only an empty chatter.
            2. qQQQ
              qQQQ 30 October 2019 22: 03
              0
              Quote: lexus
              The same impenetrable stupidity, swinish rudeness, animal rage and the same meager "urya

              Brainwashing technology is the same everywhere, so the results are similar.
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 17
            -1
            Are you broadcasting it in a recycled form?
        6. meandr51
          meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 14
          0
          Did not come out, unfortunately! Because you cannot prove that your debts are the debts of the USSR made 30 years ago and justify the conversion factor. And also you cannot offer new profitable projects in return.
        7. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 31 October 2019 13: 35
          0
          Quote: Spartanez300
          And for our citizens who are not able to pay loans for various reasons, forgive weakly, or we did not go out with a snout.

          And you declare yourself bankrupt and they will write off to you.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 30 October 2019 07: 12
        +22

        Must - give it back. We are simply fooled. Play with concepts. Assign them new meanings. It's just that they call the debt Soviet (although Russia itself has paid off its Soviet debts) or some kind of bad debt ... And we listen to hanging our ears. And we nod - well, if so then, of course, let's give it.

        If someone is not going to repay the debt, then they will not give him another (as our government does). Say, you can’t repay the debt, well then, let's start from scratch - we forgive this debt and give the next one!

        An "ingenious" move, but no one does that. China is now driving Africa into bad debt. But debts are not going to forgive. This is also a powerful lever in relations with the debtor. If you cannot return it, declare a default, give it a base, land, deposits ... The choice can be great.

        In Cuba, they want a base now. So it would be much easier to open it, exchanging for debts, which for some reason gave (30 billion dollars!).
      3. Obi-Wan Kenobi
        Obi-Wan Kenobi 30 October 2019 07: 19
        +24
        You have to pay for everything, including the status and capabilities of a great power.

        In the great powers, the whole country does not collect money for sick children for treatment. The elderly are paid a decent pension. And the government of a "great power" does not steal on an industrial scale and does not transfer money offshore, and then does not give out such pearls - "There is no money, but you hold on!"
        And the USA, and China, and European countries - they all invest, invest in the development of industry in third world countries.

        In these countries, the economy is in perfect order, so they can afford it all.
        At the same time, US senators or congressmen and their children for some reason do not have Russian or Chinese citizenship.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 30 October 2019 07: 56
          -9
          Imagine: they collect money for treatment, even as they collect. Moreover, in the economy of Namber van - in the United States.
          1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
            Obi-Wan Kenobi 30 October 2019 08: 04
            +17
            Imagine: they collect money for treatment, even as they collect. Moreover, in the economy of Namber van - in the United States.

            La-la is not necessary.
            No Boeing or Lockheed engineer collects money for treatment. Because a decent salary plus insurance, which is enough.
            And our engineers Sukhoi or Ilyushin. There is a difference? Or am I wrong again?
            Wacky, oooooo !!! Cons where ?? Do not forget!
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 30 October 2019 08: 34
              -5
              Such insurance, which fully covers the costs of treatment, is far from everyone there. We also have VHI policies, and when I worked in my specialty, I received it. At the expense of the company.
              1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                Obi-Wan Kenobi 30 October 2019 09: 54
                +15
                We also have VHI policies, and when I worked in my specialty, I received it.

                What are you telling us fables about "free" Russian medicine under insurance?
                Are you here for stupid people? Or do you think that we do not live in Russia?
                I have enough chatter between the guarantor and the bear on TV, do you also know people like to "whistle" about free medicine, about steadily growing salaries and life expectancy in Russia.
                And other nonsense.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 30 October 2019 10: 06
                  +3
                  According to the VHI policy? Normal medicine, in private or departmental medical institutions. Recently faced with conventional medicine - two operations on the ankle. For free, that is - for nothing. Normal hospital, did everything qualitatively. So, do not la la.
                  1. WIKI
                    WIKI 30 October 2019 13: 56
                    +5
                    And I was offered to pay 5 thousand rubles for an operation on a finger, under the pretext of choosing the best specialist for the operation. I had to refuse. Once, the truth had to be given in the form of gratitude, without urging, from the bottom of my heart, to give such money to the surgeon for replacing the joint.
                2. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 30 October 2019 10: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                  We also have VHI policies, and when I worked in my specialty, I received it.

                  What are you telling us fables about "free" Russian medicine under insurance?
                  Are you here for stupid people? Or do you think that we do not live in Russia?
                  I have enough chatter between the guarantor and the bear on TV, do you also know people like to "whistle" about free medicine, about steadily growing salaries and life expectancy in Russia.
                  And other nonsense.

                  I have one question, do you sing like that, and you were there to praise, in particular, the USA with their medicine? Do you know her? I'm not talking about the quality of medicine, we will also provide any help for money, I'm talking about accessibility on average!
                  1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                    Obi-Wan Kenobi 30 October 2019 11: 07
                    +7
                    Were you there to praise, in particular, the USA with their medicine? Do you know her?

                    I haven’t been to the USA. In other countries was.
                    But my friend works as a detective in the NYPD. You will read about their insurance, benefits for the whole family, as well as compensation, in case of death in the performance, on the network.
                    And another friend lives in Israel and works as a sapper in the police. They also have interesting insurance.
                    And believe me, that we are to developed countries, as to the moon ...
                    1. neri73-r
                      neri73-r 30 October 2019 12: 06
                      +5
                      You yourself answered your question -
                      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                      my friend works as a detective at the NYPD.

                      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                      a friend lives in Israel and works as a sapper in the police.

                      These are civil servants, yes, the state pays for them, but what is their percentage of the population? Tales of the middle class have already ended, there are up to half of the poorest population plus migrants who have virtually no money for medicine (insurance, etc.). Enough here we fill in about the general prosperity in the West. There is no longer the USSR and capital has no reason to create a showcase for its population!
                    2. Pivot
                      Pivot 30 October 2019 16: 08
                      -1
                      I lived in the states in the late 90s and early 00s, at that time the difference was huge, now don’t star, we have some specialists getting more than in the states or the EU, and my insurance was stipulated by the contract, it covers all medical care.
                    3. Sergey1987
                      Sergey1987 31 October 2019 14: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                      In other countries was.

                      What are you? Sigismund, how did you do it? But you live in a poor country, where power is stolen from a poor people, and you ride abroad.
                      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                      And believe me, that we are to developed countries, as to the moon ...

                      I will not believe it, because I, too, have been a chatterbox abroad and I know very well how people live there. Plowing, buying apartments on a mortgage and cars on credit. Just like ours. They pay the same taxes as we do and also pay for the treatment. And our standard of living is about the same. Not as sure as in Qatar or the UAE, but about the same as in Italy or Germany.
                      1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                        Obi-Wan Kenobi 31 October 2019 15: 38
                        -2
                        What are you? Sigismund, how did you do it? But you live in a poor country, where power is stolen from a poor people, and you ride abroad.

                        You won’t believe me, but there is such a thing TRIP !!!
                      2. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 31 October 2019 17: 46
                        +3
                        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                        You won’t believe me, but there is such a thing TRIP !!!

                        Come on? Seriously? Who sent you there, the whole industry is destroyed, and small and medium-sized businesses are crushed? You really admit where and by whom you work, that you fly on business trips abroad.
                      3. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                        Obi-Wan Kenobi 1 November 2019 05: 37
                        -2
                        Aircraft Engineer. Airfield maintenance of aircraft.
                        Is it clear now? Or is something wrong again?
                      4. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 1 November 2019 12: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
                        Is it clear now? Or is something wrong again?

                        Yes it is clear. Do you know what's wrong? I can’t understand from what are people like you whining here on the forum in each thread that you live poorly?
                      5. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                        Obi-Wan Kenobi 1 November 2019 13: 00
                        -3
                        I can’t understand from what are people like you whining here on the forum in each thread that you live poorly?

                        Hey, you are already sick of your questions and teachings! What and how? Do you care what I write and where I work? You will teach your wife how to cook borsch.
                        My life is not bad. I'm tired of the power of thieves in Russia. The lawlessness of this power, the attitude of this power towards the citizens of Russia and the lack of rights of the Russian people in their country. Is it clear now?
                        Do not like it - read it. And that is all. The question is closed.
            2. meandr51
              meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 19
              +1
              I’m a pensioner of the Russian Federation and don’t collect money for treatment, like an American engineer. For some reason I have enough. What am I doing wrong? Do I have to collect them?
              1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                Obi-Wan Kenobi 1 November 2019 08: 29
                -1
                Why is this still?
                God grant that you would never be sick at all!
            3. Aleksandr1981
              Aleksandr1981 4 November 2019 17: 42
              +1
              Engineer Boeing or Lockheed have decent salaries because he works for a company that manufactures high-tech products and sells them worldwide. And we produce Lada Kalina and Sukhoi Superjet, for which all electronics are not produced in Russia, and therefore there is less additional product. About the quality and volume of production, I generally keep quiet. Do you think that will be fair if they have the same salary ?????? In our country, there are normal units of engineers, workers that you don’t need to work on, so that he just works two times and pays off. At the same time, everyone shouts that they are not happy with life. Most enterprises in the country are private, as in all developed countries, and governments do not go into production there, there simple workers and engineers develop Mercedes and BMWs and sell them all over the world. And we all sit on the stove and wait for Putin! Did Angela Merkel go to the Mercedes factory to check the reliability of bolted joints of manufactured cars ?????? This is what factory workers do, for which they receive normal money. I have a lot of questions for the government, they need to be driven out of power. But the fact that we have a production culture at the baseboard level, I think, Russian laziness is to blame!
              1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                Obi-Wan Kenobi 4 November 2019 21: 06
                -1
                And we produce Lada Kalina and Sukhoi Superjet, for which all electronics are not produced in Russia, and therefore there is less additional product. About the quality and volume of production, I generally keep quiet. Do you think that will be fair if they have the same salary ??????

                Of course it is true, for one simple reason - engineers are not to blame for the volume of production. They do their job. The prices in shops, housing and communal services and so on are also not "invented" by the engineer, but his salary should be enough for a comfortable life. If only because he studied for 5 years and has the right to count on it.
                I have a lot of questions for the government, they need to be driven out of power.

                And here I absolutely agree with you !!! ++++++++++++++++
                1. Aleksandr1981
                  Aleksandr1981 5 November 2019 20: 09
                  0
                  Obviously you did not communicate with most modern engineers. They do not know either the compromising material or those furs, I am silent about the drawings, no one can read them, not to mention independent drawing. Make them a salary like in Europe, and what ????? they plots begin to click nuts ????? Calculation of bearing capacity at a time to do ????? No, they will never be able to, because instead of attending lectures, they drank beer and dreamed of iPhones. In short, I want to say that we all want to live in Europe, but few want to work in Europe.
                  And the last: under socialism, the engineer was not responsible for the volumes, he did not care about them. And now we live under capitalism, and with it all workers must work to increase the surplus product, if they do not, they are fired. Therefore, an engineer must develop masterpieces of engineering, a sales manager to sell them to the masses, a worker to collect everything qualitatively, without marriage. Only then will they have a normal salary. Therefore, everyone should work in a team and be responsible not only for themselves. I am not saying that this is correct, but these are the laws of capitalism, and its concepts of justice and personal contribution are very different from what happened under the USSR.
          2. balunn
            balunn 30 October 2019 11: 21
            +2
            The level of medicine here and here is significantly different. Who has a balo, everyone is going to be treated in Germany, then in Israel. Blagoveshchensk residents go to do teeth in China. Why's that? Are you crazy about fat? Yes, no. It's just that the approaches and drugs are different there and the percentage of a positive outcome, all other things being equal, is better. We also have progress in some areas. But in general, the situation in medicine is deplorable.
            1. Pivot
              Pivot 30 October 2019 16: 09
              0
              I have friends from Germany with my whole family for medical care + a sanatorium in the Krasnodar Territory once a year. So you are not broadcasting the truth.
              1. balunn
                balunn 30 October 2019 16: 25
                0
                You sanatorium with high-tech help do not compare. Something I doubt that your friends will go to treat something serious in the Russian Federation
                1. Pivot
                  Pivot 30 October 2019 17: 17
                  0
                  My colleague in the United States died of cancer, high-tech American doctors could not save
                  1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
                    Obi-Wan Kenobi 30 October 2019 20: 17
                    -2
                    My colleague in the United States died of cancer, high-tech American doctors could not save

                    The kingdom of heaven to her.
                    But ... Cancer is all ... This is not being treated ... Nobody will save here.
                    If cured, then there was no cancer. Just the wrong diagnosis.
                    Oncologists know this very well, they just fool people. They can temporarily "drown" the disease, but the cancer will come back.
                    1. Pivot
                      Pivot 30 October 2019 21: 12
                      -1
                      I don’t argue, transplantation is just a delayed death. It’s just that medicine in the West has long been a business generating huge profits, in the states it takes around $ 1000 to remove a nerve and fill a tooth, while I was working there for medical insurance I paid $ 300 a month, it was serious money, for example, renting an apartment in Brooklyn was $ 600 In a month, so there the medicine is even very paid. And if a person is unemployed, he will be offered the ax only remedy for headaches, he did not pay money for the rest.
            2. meandr51
              meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 21
              0
              I, a pensioner, treat teeth in Moscow. Something is free, something is paid. Do not believe it, but everything suits me. And I even know one expat in the USA who flies to do the same in the same place.
        2. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 30 October 2019 21: 32
          0
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          In the great powers, the whole country does not collect money for sick children for treatment. The elderly are paid a decent pension. And the government of a "great power" does not steal on an industrial scale and does not transfer money offshore, and then does not give out such pearls - "There is no money, but you hold on!"

          Yeah, for sure.
        3. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 31 October 2019 13: 59
          -2
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          And the government of the "great power" does not steal on an industrial scale and does not transfer money offshore

          Give an example, or as usual Sigismund will be nonsense?))))))
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          At the same time, US senators or congressmen and their children for some reason do not have Russian or Chinese citizenship.

          What are the names of the trepach deputies whose US citizenship.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 31 October 2019 14: 12
            +2
            Quote: Sergey1987
            What are the names of the trepach deputies whose US citizenship.

            There are a lot of them, but here are some
            1. A. Zhukov, the first deputy chairman of the State Duma, received a residence permit in the UK, his son even tasted the London prison for beating a banker, these are the children of officials "untouchable" in Russia, and there you have to answer.

            2. V. Fetisov - a US citizen and a deputy of the State Duma and an athlete concurrently, a lot has been written about athletes in the State Duma, and their appearance is not very soft, to put it mildly.

            3. E. Mizulina is a member of the Federation Council, has a residence permit in Belgium, and her children live there, well, how can she not have a residence permit, if the children are there, Mizulina is especially active in the struggle for morality and morality.

            4. V. Nikonov - the chairman of the State Duma committee is also a US citizen and his son is a US citizen.

            5. N. Bortsov is a British citizen, a deputy of the State Duma, and also was on the Forbes list of Russia 7 years ago.

            6. And Babakov is a British citizen and a member of the Federation Council, and in France he has a whole estate.

            7. S. Kerimov has permanent residence in France, also in Forbes magazine with billions and also in the Federation Council
            1. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 31 October 2019 17: 43
              +1
              Quote: Stroporez
              There are a lot of them, but here are some

              This fake information is distributed by the telegram channel of the Kremlin reckless tower. Do you seriously believe that we should believe this nonsense? What do you call evidence? And if I write that you are a US citizen, will you believe me?
              But Karimov, if he bought a house in France and received a residence permit for this, does not mean that he is a traitor to his homeland.
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 30 October 2019 07: 35
        +16
        Quote: Military Commissar77
        tens of forgiven and written off billions written off by the Russian budget ... ...
        But here are the contracts for all the mentioned, but already completely different, billions - this contracts with private companies.

        Transfer of public debt to private hands. Another source of unfair enrichment at the expense of the population. It immediately becomes clear why such huge sums were forgiven.
        1. parma
          parma 30 October 2019 07: 55
          +17
          what is 20 billion ... and really, "trifle" .... in the news they write that the United States ordered for 30 billion for itself F-35 in the amount of almost 500 cars, and this is a little less than the fleet of our Air Force fighters ... And really, let's forgive, "trifle" is ...
          1. Sibiriya
            Sibiriya 30 October 2019 17: 09
            +4
            And from 2000 of the year, according to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, 140 billion dollars of debts were written off.

            I don’t think that the amounts you are talking about that are inherited from the Soviet Union would solve some internal problems and would help to substantially solve them,

            Roughly speaking, half a million green candy wrappers are the money necessary for the existence of one adult (average life expectancy). Half a million - one life. It turns out 140 000 000 000: 500 000 = 280 000 lives. Draw your own conclusions about the politics of those in power.
          2. meandr51
            meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 28
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            You say so, as if we donated real money to someone. Well, yes, Cuba would probably build these planes for us ... Don’t fool around, other countries gave them means and equipment on other conditions that are very controversial. The Cubans were not going to give them to us, they paid with their troops in Angola, for example, by servicing ships or a position at the UN. They treated Chernobyl free of charge for a decent amount. Other stories with other countries, but also - would not have received a dime. And the government is not to blame for this.
        2. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 31 October 2019 14: 43
          0
          Quote: Stas157
          Transfer of public debt to private hands.

          Are you out of your mind? This clown wrote, and you followed him without thinking and repeat. That's bullshit. The debt was written off by the state to African countries; no one transferred it to private banks.
      5. Cheerock
        Cheerock 30 October 2019 09: 17
        -1
        If the company is registered in the Russian Federation, then it will pay taxes in the Russian Federation. If the same Rusal will obtain bauxite in Africa and produce aluminum in Russia, then it will pay the bulk of taxes in Russia. Russian Railways is a state-owned company in general.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 30 October 2019 09: 31
          +5
          Quote: CheeRock
          If the same Rusal obtains bauxite in Africa and produces aluminum in Russia,


          Actually, the leading aluminum smelter in England, and after Rusal’s “seizure”, its significance increased
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 30 October 2019 12: 24
            -7
            Sylvester, stop faking. In the article for the pension fund, you have already placed an OPEN LADD on loans from the Russian Federation - the Russian Federation lent to Saddam Hussein from 2004 to 2006. 12 yards. Your infa? Since 2003, Iraq has been under occupation, and the Russian Federation is lending to it. Saddam has been hiding in bunkers for 2 years, and the Russian Federation is transferring him yards of greenery. The theme is the same here. Why don't you post your FAKES here? By the way, would you like to talk about your Pal Nikolaich? How did he privatize the state farm? For 48% of the shares of the state farm he gave the company "TT Development" with an authorized capital of as much as 10 thousand rubles !!! This is the President !!! For a penny raidanul state farm.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 30 October 2019 12: 36
              +9
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Sylvester, stop faking.

              here you are numitsya-twice in a puddle planted, see a little.
              Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation - fake thrower? laughing
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 30 October 2019 12: 42
                -5
                You bring the source of your information. I can also say that the sponsorship of Lenin by the German intelligence is the data of the state archives. However, this is a fake, maybe. In a puddle you sat down with your data, I repeat your Old - from 2004 to 2006. Russia lent Saddam about 12 yards of greenery. So or not? Saddam was hiding in caches, and he transferred billions of RF to him ??? You are a fake player.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 30 October 2019 23: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  You bring the source of your information.

                  In 2008. An agreement was signed on the settlement of Iraqi debt: Russia wrote off 93% of the total debt, which, according to Russian estimates, is $ 12,9 billion.
                  2012g. / ITAR-TASS /. Russia and Iraq in the second half of the year signed a number of contracts in the field of military-technical cooperation worth more than $ 4,2 billion
                  Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari said that arms contracts between Russia and Iraq have not yet entered into force due to the financial difficulties that the Iraqi side has. "I think this is a matter of distributing money. We need to pay in advance. We are now in a political crisis. Our budget for 2013 has not been approved by parliament," the minister said.
                  Baghdad does not currently have the full amount and will be able to pay no more than a billion dollars.
                  2019g. Sergey Lavrov: Investments in Iraq's fuel and energy industry exceeded $ 10 billion
                  1. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 2 November 2019 17: 08
                    -1
                    Ha, Sylvester, you are juggling information. At first you claimed that the Russian Federation credited Saddam from 2004 to 2006 for almost 12 billion. It turns out that they wrote off Soviet debts that no one would have repaid. And invested in the Iraqi fuel and energy complex. But, 2 But, the first is not lending to the state, like the Eurobond to Ukraine, it is an investment. If you do not understand this, then the conversation will be about nothing. 2nd But, are you sure that only the Russian government invests state money in Iraq? Are you sure that Lavrov spoke exclusively about state funds of the Russian Federation? Googled West Qurna and which VINK works there. The concept of VINK give you? A vertically integrated company, Lukoil works there. Sylvester, I insist that you are a fake player and a juggler in the presentation of information.
                  2. Okolotochny
                    Okolotochny 2 November 2019 17: 09
                    -2
                    Sylvester, this is your drain and ignorance of the submitted information. Yes, the Communists are becoming smaller.
              2. Cheerock
                Cheerock 30 October 2019 13: 00
                +2
                Could the name of this leading plant, its location in Great Britain and the volume of release per year?
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 30 October 2019 17: 11
                  -2
                  They will not be called. They say - take an interest in the Ministry of Finance !!!
                  1. New Year day
                    New Year day 30 October 2019 22: 14
                    +3
                    Quote: Okolotochny
                    They will not be called. They say - take an interest in the Ministry of Finance !!!

                    again past. for the 3rd time!
                  2. Cheerock
                    Cheerock 30 October 2019 23: 55
                    +1
                    It was a rhetorical question)) The plant is not aluminum, but alumina, not in England, but in Ireland, in general, not in the lottery, and did not win the cards, but lost. )))
                2. New Year day
                  New Year day 30 October 2019 22: 11
                  +3
                  Quote: CheeRock
                  Could the name of this leading plant, its location in Great Britain and the volume of release per year?

                  "Aughinish" - Ireland.
                  Aughinish Alumina is one of the largest alumina refineries in the world and the largest alumina producer in Europe, located in Ireland. It is part of Rusal. The capacity of the enterprise is more than 1,9 million tons of alumina and about 2 million tons of hydrate per year.
                  Global alumina and alumina producers:
                  Alcoa Inc. (Aluminum Company of America) (USA) Import of aluminum oxide in 2017 - 61 935,39 tons
                  Aluminum Corporation of China Limited (China)
                  Alunorte (Brazil) Import of aluminum oxide in 2017 - 104 tons
                  Queensland Alumina Limited (Australia) Imports of aluminum oxide in 2017 - 770 tons
                  Aughinish Alumina (Ireland) Import of aluminum oxide in 2017 - 242 tons
                  Nikolaev Alumina Plant LLC (NGZ) (Ukraine) Import of aluminum oxide in 2017 - 1 tons
                  Last year, Aughinish Alumina produced 1,81 million tons of alumina.
                  Aughinish Alumina reported revenue growth in 2018 by 15% year on year, to $ 757,1 million.
                  Alumina is alumina from which aluminum is obtained.
                  There is not a single alumina plant in Russia. All aluminum smelters in Russia depend on Aughinish Alumina
                  https://journal.open-broker.ru/visit-card/rusal/
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 31 October 2019 14: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    There is not a single alumina plant in Russia.

                    Not only are you confusing the clown with England, but you’re lying again.
                    Rusal has alumina production:
                    Achinsk Alumina Refinery, Theological Aluminum Plant, Ural Aluminum Plant, Boksitogorsk Alumina Refinery.
                3. New Year day
                  New Year day 30 October 2019 22: 25
                  +3
                  Quote: CheeRock
                  of this leading factory

                  The main shareholder of RUSAL is En +, the company owns a 50,1% stake. SUAL shareholders own another 26,5% of the shares. The share of 6,78% belongs to Amokenga Holdings, which, in turn, is owned by the Swiss company Glencore. Another 16,62% of the shares are in free float.
                  En + company: according to the U.S. Treasury Department at the end of 2018, Oleg Deripaska and his family owned a 70% stake in En +.
                  On January 28, 2019, the company was removed from the sanctions list of the U.S. Treasury after the board renewal procedure. Instead of seven Russians, independent directors were appointed, whose candidatures were agreed with the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the US Treasury. The new independent directors were Christopher Bancroft Burnham, Karl Hughes, Joan McNafton, Nicholas Jordan, Igor Lozhevsky, Alexander Chmel and Andrei Sharonov
                  1. Cheerock
                    Cheerock 31 October 2019 00: 00
                    +2
                    I know all this very well, I asked about the "leading aluminum smelter in England", not alumina in Ireland.
                  2. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 31 October 2019 14: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    The new independent directors were Christopher Bancroft Burnham, Karl Hughes, Joan McNafton, Nicholas Jordan, Igor Lozhevsky, Alexander Chmel and Andrei Sharonov

                    So what? Do you know the meaning of the phrase controlling interest? Enough of this nonsense about the fact that the company belongs to the Americans.
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          3. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 31 October 2019 14: 48
            +1
            Quote: Silvestr
            Actually the leading aluminum smelter in England

            Not tired of Sylvester lying? Rusal has no factories in England.
            Quote: Silvestr
            and after the “grabbing” of Rusal its significance increased

            What kind of privatization? Are you out of your mind? Your task seems to be only to lie and engage in criticism of everything and everything. The controlling block of shares both belonged and belongs to Deripaska.
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 2 November 2019 17: 11
              -1
              Or his controlled people.
        2. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 30 October 2019 10: 09
          +8
          Russian Railways perfectly avoids taxes at the expense of its subsidiaries abroad.
          Railways also plans to privatize, as Siluanov confirmed in the States, and Yakunin also offers to participate in privatization of foreign companies.
          Russian Railways will leave for itself, as it is supposed, for some reason only unprofitable branches of the company. Moreover, Russian Railways also plans to give its freight cars for privatization, although it doesn’t have a lot of them left.
          I will give a funny fact. Last year, the grain harvest in Russia was a record, hoppers were needed to transport it to other areas, to the point of departure for export or directly to send full wagons of grain abroad. BUT!!! Russian Railways did not have such cars, almost all were privatized. They rushed to the owners of the hoppers to rent them from them, however, they broke the price so much that it was unprofitable to transport this grain anywhere. They began to conduct some kind of events in order to persuade them at a reasonable price, and an interesting point emerged: in fact, almost all of these private cars belong to one person (presumably one of the former major shareholders of Russian Railways, and the person is not with Russian citizenship, but this only the assumptions of those who became interested in the issue of these cars). although, according to the documents, they have different companies and different owners. So the mess in the Russian Railways is the same, and its leadership definitely does not have the ability to look into the future.
          Build roads abroad?
          And how much do they steal and send offshore?
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 30 October 2019 11: 08
            +5
            Absolutely right. Here some write that, they say, Russia will begin to extract minerals in Africa, and this, they say, is good for Russia. The trick is that these "minerals", if they are mined, will be solely for sale on the foreign market, and not to provide Russian enterprises, which for the most part have collapsed long ago, sold for metal, and the few that have survived spend minuscule ... That is, again, profits will be made by those who sell it all on the foreign market and put the income from what was sold into their pockets. And by the way, where will they pay taxes? In Russia? ... not about "daughters" and "offshore" we do not know .... for the first time we hear ... yeah ... yes
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 30 October 2019 17: 15
              -6
              Listen, American citizen. And who came up with a scheme with offshore tax evasion? Which country companies are actively using it? The country where you live. And I understand why you are crap on a Russian resource. If you try to do this in the state, you will be under the scrutiny of American government agencies. But they, unlike ours, will not conduct heartbreaking conversations with you. Zakharova gave a clear definition of a position similar to yours - sounds from the pigsty.
            2. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 31 October 2019 16: 17
              +2
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              Here, some write that they say that Russia will begin to extract minerals in Africa

              She already gets them there.
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              The funny thing is that these "minerals", if they are to be mined, will be exclusively for sale in the foreign market, and not to provide Russian enterprises

              Why would bauxites with Guinea Rusal be brought to the Russian Federation when he mined them in the Russian Federation? Russian enterprises are already provided with resources.
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              which for the most part have long since fallen apart, sold out to metal, and the few that survived consume a minuscule amount.

              Will you give an example? Sheer nonsense. Name at least one metallurgical plant as an example.
          2. Cheerock
            Cheerock 30 October 2019 13: 05
            +4
            It seems that you have been writing like that from 2005. Russian Railways has not had its freight cars for a long time, about 12 years ago. Russian Railways provides only infrastructure and traction for transportation. Yakunin, too, has long been absent from Russian Railways. For grain export you are also not in the subject.
            1. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 30 October 2019 15: 45
              0
              Yes, in the subject I am about cars, very much in the subject. My husband is involved in working with railways throughout the CIS, so I know very well about roads and wagons. I saw the documentation for the wagons, which companies belong and which wagons of which year of manufacture still run along all the CIS roads.
              1. Cheerock
                Cheerock 31 October 2019 00: 03
                +1
                The husband may know, but you - no, if you write this request
                1. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 31 October 2019 09: 34
                  -2
                  I am aware of his affairs, because I help him in his work.
                  1. Cheerock
                    Cheerock 31 October 2019 10: 15
                    0
                    Madam, I’ve been transporting 15-5,000 tons of cargo for export every month for 10,000 years and I know that for more than 10 years there has been no railway fleet, that it has been privatized for a long time, that it was possible to privatize, that Yakunin has been retired for a long time and for which he pensions. And in what it became better, and in what it is much worse. And you have the information of 15 years ago.
                    1. Lyuba1965_01
                      Lyuba1965_01 31 October 2019 10: 44
                      -1
                      I never write about what I doubt or do not know for certain.
                      What to do, the costs of education.
                      In addition, Yakunin sold these cars not yesterday, they just ran into this problem just recently.
                      And, if you carry goods in these cars, then your husband is probably aware of their movement, especially if he knows the number of the car.
                      To trace its route, to trace the entire history of the car is not a problem now.
                      It is also very likely that those cars in which you carry goods went through the control of her husband.
                      1. Cheerock
                        Cheerock 31 October 2019 12: 11
                        +2
                        The fact that the cars were sold and that the park is now private is just fine. There is no need to carry a corruption component in the cft to get a fleet of railways, but you can bargain with the owners. And what is the transportation of money worth, especially if from Barnaul to Kizetirinka, then I'm sorry, we have such distances. We always had transport at the export price of 50-70%.
                      2. Lyuba1965_01
                        Lyuba1965_01 31 October 2019 16: 35
                        0
                        You see, this is not very good from the point of view of even the benefits for Russian Railways - it loses a lot of money on this.
                        Well, the fact that from the point of view of the country's security and the self-sufficiency of Russian Railways, wagons (freight, in the first place, especially platforms) do not belong to her, but to some private companies without the participation of the state is not right.
                        I am a woman, so I will give a purely female comparison, do not blame me.
                        If I hire some kind of clearing company to make a generalka in my house, then I prefer the one that comes with its special funds, rather than the one that requires that I have to buy all the cleaning funds myself.
                        Let it cost a little more, but I will be spared from unnecessary problems.
                        Well, seriously ... in which case, it is clear that all these freight cars will be confiscated from private owners, but then the state will still pay compensation to the owners of these cars.
                        In addition, they will need to be collected somewhere in one place, to find out where they are, because according to the documents you cannot immediately track such a large number of cars, it takes time.
                        And it will be much better if all this data is in the hands of one company, because not all of them will be on the road at the same time, some of them will be idle somewhere, be leased from other persons, etc.
                        If you really know this system, then you understand what I'm talking about.
                      3. Cheerock
                        Cheerock 31 October 2019 16: 44
                        +1
                        So I tell you how it really was and how it became. 15 years ago, you submitted an application to the CFTO and sent a trusted person with a wad of money so that he would knock out state cars for you, which were sorely lacking in themselves, and export quality was even more lacking. As a result, even with money, the plans were confirmed by 30% -70% as a rule, because there are a lot of all, but few cars. I will skip the moment when the first part of the export fleet was taken out to Freight One and privatized, and then the rest was taken out to the All-State Concrete Plant (if I remember correctly) and also sold to private owners. For a while, there were still not enough cars, only instead of cash to Russian Railways officials we began to pay officially to the operators of the cars, but at a rather higher price. After 10 years, we can say that in terms of wagons it has become really better. There are many cars, many companies, different rates, there is plenty to choose from. Russian Railways takes its margin by infrastructure component and by repairing sick cars. At the same time, Russian Railways does not have a headache when there is a decline in traffic and leasing cars are idle in sedimentation tanks. The way Russian Railways "optimized" the traffic service is another story.
                      4. Lyuba1965_01
                        Lyuba1965_01 1 November 2019 10: 15
                        -1
                        If I repair a car and take money for it - not bad, of course.
                        But it’s much better if I will also be the owner of these cars and can rent them out, because they don’t repair cars every day, but they rent them every day.
                        Wagons are not repaired every day, each wagon has data on its year of manufacture and, if I am not mistaken, the first time it is sent for inspection after 10 years, depending on the intensity of operation. (but I don’t remember exactly, I won’t lie).
                        Maintenance work is done by the depot itself.
                        So, until this time, their owners do not pay for repairs.
                        But I will tell you one terrible secret !!!
                        It happens that, according to the documents, the car was built, for example, in 1985, and the first overhaul of the documents was completed in 1981.
                        Do you know why such a strangeness?
                        Because RZD is not the owner of the car, he just stupidly makes money on its repair.
                        And how he earns in such cases - I think you yourself understand.
                        So it would be much better if freight cars belonged to Russian Railways.
                        And from the point of view of the country's security (times are turbulent now, anything can happen at any moment) it would be much better if they belonged to the state represented by Russian Railways.
                      5. Cheerock
                        Cheerock 1 November 2019 16: 46
                        +1
                        Carriages are not repaired every day; each carriage has data on its year of manufacture
                        - wheelsets are repaired once a quarter approximately, so there is enough work.
                        But it’s much better if I will also be the owner of these cars and can rent them out, because they don’t repair cars every day, but they rent them every day.
                        - is not a fact. There was a time when half of the gondola cars stood on the settlers, there were no goods. and leasing payments were dropping. Operators offered to go at cost and even a little lower.
                        Maintenance work is done by the depot itself.
                        So, until this time, their owners do not pay for repairs.
                        - it is the owners who pay in the end.
                        It happens that, according to the documents, the car was built, for example, in 1985, and the first overhaul of the documents was completed in 1981.
                        Do you know why such a strangeness?
                        - up to the fact that it was decommissioned, then put back into operation. And the weight of the empty car on the plate on the frame differs from the paint applied. There are many subtleties.
                        Because RZD is not the owner of the car, he just stupidly makes money on its repair.
                        And how he earns in such cases - I think you yourself understand.
                        - Yes, and let him make money. But the car on the route fell out of the train for repair, and after three or four days went on, and does not ride a month empty to the owner's depot.
                        So it would be much better if freight cars belonged to Russian Railways.
                        - already was and was worse.
                        And from the point of view of the country's security (times are turbulent now, anything can happen at any moment) it would be much better if they belonged to the state represented by Russian Railways.
                        - in case of war, the state will simply take them out of circulation in their favor, and then they will pay the owners at the residual value bully
          3. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 31 October 2019 15: 55
            +1
            Quote: Lyuba1965_01
            Russian Railways perfectly avoids taxes at the expense of its subsidiaries abroad.

            What are you? Provide evidence?
            Quote: Lyuba1965_01
            RZD also plans to privatize, as Siluanov confirmed in the States,

            Another lie. The Russian Ministry of Finance did not include RZD, Aeroflot and Channel One in the privatization plan for 2020–2022. “This is not planned for the next three years,” RIA Novosti quotes the words of Finance Minister Anton Siluanov.
            1. Lyuba1965_01
              Lyuba1965_01 31 October 2019 19: 10
              -1
              “This is not in the plans for the next three years”
              The most important thing here is that for the "next 3 years"
              And then?
              In addition, there are various rumors, some officials say one thing, others - another ..
              So, all the same, there is no final decision?
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 1 November 2019 12: 14
                +1
                Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                So, all the same, there is no final decision?

                Of course he is not. but why do you write then that Siluanov confirmed privatization? And there is nothing wrong with privatization.
              2. Cheerock
                Cheerock 1 November 2019 16: 52
                0
                Lyuba, Russian Railways is an open joint stock company with trillions of debts. It is one thing when the state itself takes in this case, another thing - when you put up such a good for bidding. Who needs it? laughing
                1. Lyuba1965_01
                  Lyuba1965_01 1 November 2019 20: 58
                  0
                  Russian Railways is not only a commercial enterprise, but also a strategic one.
                  And in relation to such enterprises, not everyone should decide the money.
                  1. Cheerock
                    Cheerock 1 November 2019 23: 04
                    0
                    I mean, such an asset is not of commercial interest.
      6. at84432384
        at84432384 30 October 2019 18: 14
        +3
        Well, the author (apparently, unknowingly) gave exactly this example. The co-owner of Rusl is a certain Deripaska, a citizen, it seems, of Cyprus. Rusal itself has recently been run by the US Treasury. Taxes are paid to the budget like a candle factory. What is the interest of the Russian state in this company? Yes, no.
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 31 October 2019 09: 59
          +1
          Quote: at84432384
          Rusal itself has recently been run by the US Treasury

          Tired of this joke already, come up with a new one. RUSAL, as it was, remains so, part of Deripaska's shares went to VTB. And all, in short.

          Conversations about "foreign citizens in the Board of Directors" will go down, perhaps, only for local, alas, patriots (who have "all-propolymers" for how many years). Look, there is a whole Schroeder in Gazprom, and nothing laughing
        2. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 31 October 2019 16: 31
          0
          Quote: at84432384
          The co-owner of Rusl is a certain Deripaska, a citizen, it seems, of Cyprus.

          And the Russian Federation too.
          Quote: at84432384
          Rusal itself has recently been run by the US Treasury

          Or maybe the Martians? A controlling stake in Deripaska and he controls Rusal.
          Quote: at84432384
          It pays taxes to the budget like a candle factory.

          Yes of course. The first thing I found. For the first quarter of 2011, 193 million dollars.
          1. Alexey Z
            Alexey Z 2 November 2019 12: 49
            0
            And in 2019? There will be completely different numbers.
            1. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 2 November 2019 14: 40
              -1
              Quote: Alexey Z
              And in 2019? There will be completely different numbers.

              Let it be less, because the dollar grew in 2014, and Rusal pays taxes in rubles in Russia.
      7. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 31 October 2019 13: 32
        +2
        Quote: Military Commissar77
        written off by the Russian budget

        What does the budget have to do with it? African countries owe the state. In your opinion, if the Russian Federation did not repay debts, then the Russian Federation would repay debts to itself from its own budget? Is everything normal with your head?
        Quote: Military Commissar77
        Not with a budget, ok

        Budget is that a corporation?
        Quote: Military Commissar77
        And the truth is, if in some Mongolia you obtained palladium, sold it, for example, in China, and registered somewhere on the Virgin Islands, then where is Russia in this scheme?

        I will explain, so be it, to those who do not want to think, but want to engage in delusional criticism. If Norilsk Nickel mined palladium in Mongolia and sold it, then it earns income. Nornickel is located in the Russian Federation, after paying taxes, it will receive a net profit, which shareholders, companies that are already located in offshore companies, will decide what to do with it. But it will be after taxes.
      8. The popuas
        The popuas 4 November 2019 16: 52
        0
        It didn’t work out with the west, turned east, the nose turns east, they look south, and when they pay attention to the north ....
    2. Dmitry Potapov
      Dmitry Potapov 30 October 2019 06: 18
      +16
      It is well said that "African countries are the third in terms of purchasing arms from Russia," that is, Africa has money for weapons, but not for debts !? As for how to repay debts from debtors, follow the example of the United States, by lending they make the debtor's economy dependent on themselves and, consequently, the whole country as a whole, who does not understand read the book "Confessions of an Economic Murderer" otherwise they made a cash cow out of the Russian Federation.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 October 2019 07: 08
        +5
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        that is, Africa has money for weapons and no debts !?

        And they don’t have money for weapons. They buy it again on credit! good
      2. Jerk
        Jerk 30 October 2019 07: 24
        -1
        Take the debt. With the CAR. eg. Rich country. and they can repay a debt?
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 30 October 2019 09: 56
          +1
          Why Russia forgave Africa 20 billions of dollars of debt

          "Irrecoverable debts" .... well, well .... there is something none of the "Western countries" wrote off a dollar from the blacks' debt, but spent these debts through various "international arbitrations" and "institutions" by making them " official, eternal and not restructured in the future "and now every penny that appears is siphoned off from there at the expense of debt. And China is generally "insolent" - it gives loans only for construction by the Chinese themselves, and not just for construction, but under the simultaneous permission and non-interference from the state in the "accompanying" activities of China in this place, or under the lease of territories for 10-15 25-50 years old. And why has Russia forgiven its debts and is going to "invest in Africa again (give again loans, arms on debt, build at its own expense, etc.), instead of investing money inside its country"? An old anecdote (still Soviet) answers this well:
          "At the meeting, the collective farm chairman says:" Last year we planted 10 hectares of wheat, and the beetle ate everything, and this year we planted 30 hectares of wheat, and the beetle ate everything, and next year let's plant 100 hectares - let it choke! " yes
        2. balunn
          balunn 30 October 2019 11: 30
          +3
          since you can’t take back your past debt, then why lend a new one? fool
          1. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 30 October 2019 21: 57
            0
            Quote: balunn
            since you can’t take back your past debt, then why lend a new one?

            This is also the main mystery for me. Nowadays, after all, if a person is even once smeared in banks as an irrecoverable debtor, that's it, no one will give him loans anymore. And our government is different, it is not looking for direct routes. Who benefits from giving a new multi-million dollar tranche to African "brothers" ...
      3. meandr51
        meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 34
        +1
        We always have money for weapons. But debts still need to be proved and recounted. And it will last for decades. It was necessary for the Union to know who to give. But the Union then did not give a damn about these penny debts for him. He was not going to return them. And for some reason you decided that it was money.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 October 2019 09: 30
      +6
      Quote: Aerodrome
      yes ... it's hard ... it's much easier to take away housing from the unfortunate "mortgagee".

      You are lying! There is nothing complicated here. It’s difficult to tell a joke about dad’s dirk and watch, or to recall a saying about grandmother and her alleged presence of grandfather’s external sexual characteristics ... It’s hard to believe information about Trump and Russian girls with low social responsibility, but here it’s time! And that’s it! fellow
      Somehow it suddenly inspired:

      Migratory Siberian Cranes are flying.
      Leads from a seasoned leader.
      They fly to hot countries
      But I can’t get up in any way.

      And I stay with you
      My dear friend!
      Do not need someone else's sun,
      Another's land is not needed.

      The oligarchs are flying behind them
      Their wives and children are flying.
      Bankers fly, embezzlers
      And the former deputy flies.

      They take out the capital,
      They bring oil, wood, gold, gas.
      They carry everything that they stole -
      They all spat on us.

      And I stay with you
      My dear and beloved home!
      I don't need London foggy
      And Washington fell.

      Let me drown in swamps
      Let me freeze on ice
      But I do not regret it
      And just repeat in delirium:

      I don't care what debts you wrote off,
      That someone and somewhere you are happy.
      I don’t need Beijing, I’m Chinese,
      Jerusalem and Baghdad.

      'Cause I stay with you
      Native land forever!
      I do not need a Turkish coast
      And I do not need Africa.
      hi
    4. Civil
      Civil 30 October 2019 09: 38
      0
      The severe grin of capitalism. Wild African.
    5. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 30 October 2019 11: 31
      +2
      If only they could write off their own people who already can’t pay taxes, so damn it, beat their own so that others might fear, for how many children they could cure for their 20 billion, build their planes, etc.
      1. meandr51
        meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 36
        +1
        Yeah. Somalia with Afghanistan will build you planes and will cure children. Hurry and fall. All they can do is political and rental support. This is what you have to take from them. And dreaming about money-this is for Svidomo.
  2. Far B
    Far B 30 October 2019 06: 11
    +26
    The article justifies the cancellation of debts, I understand everything correctly?
    Sergey Lavrov. He emphasized that 90% of debts written off were bad.
    And why did Lavrov decide which debts are repayable and which are bad? Is he special in debt? Or international affairs, anyway?
    “I don’t think that the amounts you are talking about that are inherited from the Soviet Union would solve some internal problems and help to solve them substantially,” said Lavrov, speaking at the Territory of Meanings youth educational forum.
    No, well, there. 20 lard greens in our country in any way will not solve any internal problems. Vapsche no. Lavrov knows the price of money; he won’t lie.
    Damn, forgiving debts to oil-bearing countries is generally beyond the bounds. And from other debtors it was possible to get some goodies. From the same Cuba, the Union imported goods, the military base and center were located there. In general, it sounds somehow silly: "Well these are the debts of the USSR, they are a hundred years old at lunchtime, they can be written off, because demanding their return is silly." Demanding debt repayment is never stupid. And there is no need to hide behind the distant prospect of economic benefits that Russia allegedly will get from these write-offs. In fact, everything is simple:
    in a number of African states, the largest Russian companies have their own interests. For example, the Russian Rusal is operating in Guinea,
    And all the rest justifying reasoning - they are for the poor. Well, that is, for ordinary citizens. People hawala.
    1. Cut Samshitov
      Cut Samshitov 30 October 2019 06: 57
      +19
      And here, dear author, if forgiven billions is a trifle, give statistics, which of the other countries recognized Abkhazia, South Ossetia, the annexation of Crimea?
    2. snake
      snake 30 October 2019 07: 52
      +10
      Quote: Dalny V
      The article justifies the cancellation of debts, I understand everything correctly?

      You do not understand. If Russia had not written off debts to Africa, then NATO soldiers would have done it.
      And if in her interests, political and economic, such an amount of debts collected not today, but half a century ago, is forgiven, then why can not this be done?

      And if it is in her interests to introduce serfdom, then why can not this be done? Well, how serfdom will serve the interests of Russia, we will tell a specially trained journalist.
      An article about what, they say, "right now, how will we trade with Africa", and the illustration is still the same African children ... Thank you for not holding out your hands. One thing consoles - our planet is not endless, and one day, when all the countries that, in the opinion of our authorities, need to be helped, run out, it will be our turn, the Russians. "I think so" (c)
      Z.Y. By the way, 20 yards of Soviet debts on current realities will be more than 20. At least forty.
    3. Chit
      Chit 30 October 2019 08: 44
      +7
      That's right, the article justifies the cancellation of debts.
      One has only to ponder this magnificent thesis: "As a result, Russia began to write off its debts, because ... there was no hope of their return."
      A brilliant move!
      Let the West succeed, how to conduct financial world deals correctly!
      It is not clear, however, why no one at the top asked himself two questions.
      1. Why did they give in due time, if it was initially clear that there would be no return?
      2. Why not return at least part of the debt with the same bananas?
      1. at84432384
        at84432384 30 October 2019 18: 27
        0
        Debts can be returned not only in material form. For example, by voting in the UN in favor of Russia. For the recognition of Crimea, Abkhazia, etc. This is exactly what the countries of the West do. Not such a deep thought. I think this is somewhat different - the officials involved in the debt cancellation negotiations had a personal profit. This was transparently hinted at by former government officials who were "asked" from there. Then it's a completely different matter! Then you can give the Kuriles to the Japanese, about which Lavrov recently spoke at the same get-together with students. Your shirt is closer to your body.
    4. WIKI
      WIKI 30 October 2019 14: 06
      +1
      As Lavrov noted, it is very difficult legally to prove at what rate the debts of the Soviet Union were provided to African countries.
      And at what rate the RSFSR issued a counter-bill to Western countries for royal debts, which in 1921 amounted to approximately 18,5 billion gold rubles. The counter account amounted to 50 billion gold rubles (in 1921 prices). After all, the RSFSR at that time was not part of the global financial system.
      1) claims for Russian values ​​and property located abroad;
      2) claims of the Soviet government for damage caused to the Soviet state by the intervention of the Entente powers;

      3) private claims of citizens of the USSR for the damage caused by the union intervention;

      4) other claims of citizens of the USSR against foreign states.
    5. meandr51
      meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 40
      -1
      Well, you know something better than Lavrov! Here, tell us how, in what terms and how much to take money from Iraq, Syria and Somalia. And why do not we need new foreign contracts.
      1. Far B
        Far B 31 October 2019 00: 48
        0
        Troll Detected
        1. Why should I understand debt better or worse than Lavrov? But Lavrov is not a financier, he is a diplomat. In order to deal with debts, I believe that specially trained monkeys should serve in the government ... sorry, specialists.
        2. How much and in what to take from Iraq, Syria (by the way, never Africa, if cho) and Somalia - see paragraph 1.
        3. Where did I say that we do not need new foreign contracts? But for them it is not necessary to write off debts. Work can (and probably should) be done in parallel.
        Py. Sy. If you are reading someone’s posts, then try to read what is written, not what you want to read.
  3. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 30 October 2019 06: 14
    +1

    The video is not new, but it explains everything well. Recommend!!
    1. Jerk
      Jerk 30 October 2019 07: 33
      -18
      Enchanting!
      https://alex-leshy.livejournal.com/1412588.html
      As part of the meetings and negotiations in Sochi, African countries and Russia signed more than 500 different contracts for a total of 800 billion rubles ($ 13 billion).

      * The amount of $ 20 billion exceeds the annual budget of many participants in the Sochi forum.

      So, Djibouti spends 1,8 billion a year, the CAR - about 2, Liberia - 2,1, Eritrea - 2,5, and Somalia - 7. So think for yourself what’s more profitable - whether to sit by the river and wait, when something swims, especially with the expansion of China in Africa.


      Fsepropalo, and YOU did not contain the toilet
      1. Valery Valery
        Valery Valery 30 October 2019 09: 16
        +3
        As a rule, people with such comments have a lot of personal problems: lack of real communication, short scribble, unrealization in a professional sense. I sincerely sympathize with you.
        1. Jerk
          Jerk 30 October 2019 10: 48
          -9
          I sympathize with the pisyun meters) You correctly put on the sailor shoulder straps - "for odd YOU are standing behind a hole"
          Measure. but not mine - I found mine not in the garbage winked
          1. Valery Valery
            Valery Valery 30 October 2019 13: 20
            +4
            Is it really that bad ?! As a child, probably no one played with YOU, and in the yard the kids beat and humiliated ... It happens. But on the Internet you can afford both "courage" and "courage".
      2. Jerk
        Jerk 30 October 2019 12: 08
        -9
        How about a ride, P'Ediki? What are you, sectarians, predictable ... Once again: Oololona's mask - no boh!
        Am I ruining your hamster worldview? laughing And do not pay attention - in your universe, someone else can do manned space flights, except cotton wool ... And about unmanned ones ... Uh. uhh returned! Bathed in the oceans - just does not affect anything.
        In short, do not think! Bring it in bulk, donate!
        And then he, in my opinion on a lie, on you, hamsters, and there’s nothing to give a shit - he’s starving
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 30 October 2019 06: 15
    +7
    Уже РЅРµ первР° СЏ стР° тья РЅР ° эту тему ... РќСѓ, СЃРїРёСЃР ° Р »Рё Рё СЃРїРёСЃР ° Р» Рё ... перв С ‡ то Р »Рё ... Потом, опять СЃРїРёС € СѓС‚ ...
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 30 October 2019 08: 03
      -9
      Quote: parusnik
      Уже РЅРµ первР° СЏ стР° тья РЅР ° эту тему ... РќСѓ, СЃРїРёСЃР ° Р »Рё Рё СЃРїРёСЃР ° Р» Рё ... перв С ‡ то Р »Рё ... Потом, опять СЃРїРёС € СѓС‚ ...

      РЎРїРёС € СѓС ‚. R ”R” СЏ РѕР ± С ‹РІР ° тел СЏ, деньги - это СЃРїРѕСЃРѕР ± РІС ‹Р¶РёРІР ° РЅРёСЏ. R ”R” СЏ РІР · Р ° РёРјРѕРѕС‚РЅРѕС € ений между стрР° РЅР ° РјРё, деньги - это СЃРїРѕСЃРѕР ±РѓРѓРѓРѓРѓРѓРѓРѓРѓ РќРµ РЅР ° РґРѕ РёС ... СЃРјРµС € РёРІР ° ть.

      Рћ С „РѕСЂСѓРјРµ Р РѕСЃСЃРёСЏ-РђС„ СЂРёРєР ° СЃ РїРѕР · РёС † РёРё РљРћР '(видео СЃ 38: 12):

  5. Andrey Sukharev
    Andrey Sukharev 30 October 2019 06: 20
    +16
    Author, so lend me a couple of "lyams", and then write off? Like to give nothing ... smile
    Writing off debts for such amounts is an act of national betrayal!
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 30 October 2019 10: 07
      +6
      Quote: Andrey Sukharev
      Author, so lend me a couple of "lyams", and then write off? Like to give nothing ... smile
      Writing off debts for such amounts is an act of national betrayal!

      Still to check the corruption component later. 20 billion were written off, and someone on the account of a billion conditional surfaced.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 51
      0
      And you provide the author with political support and register in your apartment!
  6. Strashila
    Strashila 30 October 2019 06: 33
    +18
    "These are the debts of the Soviet Union, which collapsed thirty years ago." No one has written off a cent to Russia as the heiress of the USSR. They do not ask for debts to eat and drink, but there is always a topic of discussion with debtors. Debts can only bash for bash, you to me, I to you. Forgiveness is a bad idea, a bad example is contagious, do not pay and they will forgive you everything, turn on the fool, we ourselves are poor, not locals behind the train. Let them publish how much dough, Western governments have taken out of these countries and they have taken out Russian money as well.
    The toothlessness of foreign diplomacy in this matter has simply surpassed since the time of Gorbaty, the distribution and cancellation of debts leads to an increase in non-payments and more. They don’t want to talk. sell for a couple of percent of the value of the western company, they will return the full amount and two hundred percent from the top, they will simply award the management through their courts to this debtor.
    The funny thing is, the state does not want to pay off the debts of the USSR with its citizens, they also forgave them the same.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 30 October 2019 07: 01
      +8
      Let them publish how much money, Western governments have raked out of these countries and they have raked Russian money as well.
      .... I agree, Russia didn’t give its debts to the West at the expense of the debts of other countries .... By the way, weren't the East European countries that are now NATO members the USSR should they? Or decommissioned?
      1. Cut Samshitov
        Cut Samshitov 30 October 2019 07: 23
        +11
        So we wrote off the debts of Cuba. In gratitude, the Cubans charge us a lot of money for the deployment of our military. No, well, we are smart. Dumb Americans did not write off anything ... So they sit in Guantanamo for free.
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 30 October 2019 09: 31
        +1
        By the way, didn’t the East European countries that now belong to NATO should the USSR? Or decommissioned?


        No, you should have and given honestly. To whom by arms (Slovakia), to whom money was simply transferred (Bulgaria, Serbia). Something about 200 of millions of dollars was transferred to us and the topic was closed.

        By the way, we also wrote off 3-4 billion dollars to Libya, Iraq and similar countries at one time - the social camp also participated in a subsidy to Africa and communist regimes around the world.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 53
      0
      And why is it something Russia to write off? She can pay. And he does not make political concessions. You are just like a child ...
  7. Sertorius
    Sertorius 30 October 2019 06: 33
    -10
    Now experts in the difficult socio-economic situation in the country will raid with angry posts that they certainly know where to spend these 20 billion.
    You can, of course, continue to recount this virtual wealth. You can hire collectors. You can continue to give loans - to pay off these debts (as the IMF gives Ukraine)
    Only now, any adequate one will confirm that the benefit from these debts can be obtained at least by writing them off. You can earn on debt management.
    1. Far B
      Far B 30 October 2019 06: 44
      +10
      So teach us how to make money by managing your debts.
      In fact, debt management is when you sell them, well, even if they are at least half the price, and the person who bought them from you already scratches their turnips on how to get them out of the debtor. You suggest not
      Earn Debt Management
      and write them off. Well, that is, refuse completely. Having received at the same time some benefit (already the template should crack from an attempt to combine the incompatible. But, no, I remembered, it was like this: "I believe, because it is absurd!").
      any adequate
      Well, adequately, cho. There is nowhere more adequate.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 October 2019 07: 15
      +5
      Quote: Sertorius
      that at least some benefit from these debts can only be obtained from writing them off.

      Some inadequate people work in Serbanka, they don’t want to write off my mortgage! But what, the debts are bad - the wife is on maternity leave, I do not officially work. wassat
      1. Andrey Sukharev
        Andrey Sukharev 30 October 2019 14: 53
        +2
        But if you take a loan and buy Kalash with this money, the collectors will be confused laughing
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 55
        0
        And you offer them political support and cleaning of the territory! You look, and restructure ... Each case is considered separately.
  8. Maverick1812
    Maverick1812 30 October 2019 06: 42
    +11
    Ordering the purest water! Some of these countries have much higher growth rates than Putin's Russia. It's all about kickbacks. Everything is as always ... This is not for you to forgive the mortgage population!
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 30 October 2019 10: 54
      -3
      Why have debts been forgiven? Yes, everything is really simple - Russia has absolutely no leverage in the world, even on all kinds of monkeys. Everyone, even the monkeys, keep their stash in banks that are by no means in Russia, and these stashes, again, are not in Russian rubles. Therefore, any monkey can collect Russian money, under any pretext, and then calmly, send the Russians for a walk to hell and that's it! and Russia will not be able to do anything with them - the most it (Russia) will be able to do is to knock down the thresholds of all kinds of international arbitrations (controlled by the Americans and "partners" from the EU) for years and wait for their decisions for years, proving that they were clean, not corrupt money, that they were invested in legal activities, that nothing was received in return and they generally need to be returned, according to the rules. "... yes Some people have correctly noted that due to preferences from the state, "individuals who are leading or planning to do business in Africa will benefit. All according to the" Russian rule of doing business: "Personalization of profits and nationalization of costs and losses" .... Africa in general is a very convenient continent to conduct "affairs" in the "Russian manner" - what scope for corruption and sawing! You can always write off "losses" - "losses" and "lost (stolen) profit" on the actions of the rebels, "local mentality and customs", etc. .... you can generally steal everything, and then shrug your shoulders and say: "Where is everything Yes, fig knows ... it's Africa! ".... yes
      1. Maverick1812
        Maverick1812 30 October 2019 14: 48
        +2
        That's right! The Soviet Union could stand up for itself, Russia - no, no matter how offensive it may sound to us! But there is another side: this is a thieves scheme! They just don't write off anything, there is always a rollback. Type-ready to forgive, but for certain preferences! In this way, the grandmother was written off in the period between the two Chechen companies. The same Africa ... the loot was imported by air, and then they were written off, nodding at the "barmaley", but in fact the money was simply sawed between the one who sent it and those who re-cashed it through various "washerwomen".
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 30 October 2019 22: 57
      0
      The population is under the influence of the police. And Africa is free and does not want to pay. Since aircraft carriers and other levers for knocking out debts, the Russian Federation does not. So it’s easier to forgive and start a new phase of the relationship.
  9. slavaseven
    slavaseven 30 October 2019 06: 42
    +9
    Let the goods deliver. And Russia is a generous soul for foreigners. Evil stepmother for Russians
  10. Alex66
    Alex66 30 October 2019 06: 44
    +9
    Yes, these are the debts of the USSR, which fell apart, but why do Russia and not Uzbekistan forgive them? Pay for status, say, not very expensive. It is impossible to recover, you can offer mutually beneficial projects in the payment of debts, development of deposits, construction of factories where we will profit. To forgive is to show that you cannot recover.
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 30 October 2019 06: 57
      -4
      They did so, forgave debts, and received preferences for the development and sale of weapons.
      1. Far B
        Far B 30 October 2019 07: 00
        +8
        And it was impossible to work on obtaining preferences without forgiving debts? Say just restructuring them? Or by deferring payment? Or you definitely need to tear your shirt on your chest - take a walk, flaw, live again! We didn’t live richly, don’t start to hell!
        1. Cruorvult
          Cruorvult 30 October 2019 08: 01
          0
          It is possible, but their borders and "regimes" are constantly changing, that is, the new government may not recognize old debts at all, this time. Two, we are not alone there in Africa, you can go to the Chinese, there are no debts to them. Three, as it is written in the article: "there is no leverage."

          Well, from myself, now there are still those who studied in the USSR, 10-15 years will pass and others, young people who will not remember the Russians, will come from the word completely.

          I think there is a large number of people in each country working, but some know better from the couch, forgive not forgive. The author of the incident can be corrected, Yeltsin wrote off 170 lards in total.
          1. Far B
            Far B 30 October 2019 09: 19
            +2
            How so?
            their borders and "regimes" are constantly changing
            и
            new government may not recognize old debts at all
            And debts half a century ago are still not forgotten and recognized? Something is not beating. Either borders and regimes do not change as constantly as you say, or even wild Africans understand what public debt is. You really try something more definite.
            1. Cruorvult
              Cruorvult 30 October 2019 09: 47
              -1
              If you forgave a person, this does not mean that he admits guilt. As I understand it, none of us was present at the negotiations to confirm whether they recognize these debts or not.

              Well, an example is the former "friendly" republics of the USSR, which came out and did not recognize their debts.
              1. Far B
                Far B 30 October 2019 09: 53
                0
                Well, an example is the former "friendly" republics of the USSR, which came out and did not recognize their debts.
                This is just not an example at all, because the so-called the world community recognized the successor of the USSR only Russia. And the Union republics refused not only debts, but also part of the buns remaining on their territory after the collapse of the Union, in particular, nuclear weapons. Another question is how Yeltsin and Co. disposed of it.
                If you forgave a person, this does not mean that he admits guilt. As I understand it, none of us was present at the negotiations to confirm whether they recognize these debts or not.
                If they hadn’t recognized it, they would have simply forgotten about those old debts, nobody would have simply begun to voice this initiative.
                1. Cruorvult
                  Cruorvult 30 October 2019 10: 02
                  -1
                  C'mon, right all the republics had these buns ?!
                  Come on, are you a diplomat? Maybe you have an "insider"?
                2. Cruorvult
                  Cruorvult 30 October 2019 10: 05
                  -1
                  Ukraine out, doesn’t recognize a loan to Yanukovych at 3 Lard. And here, some debts, half a hundred years. But they type can not help but recognize, exactly.
                  1. Far B
                    Far B 31 October 2019 00: 41
                    0
                    Ukraine out, does not recognize a loan to Yanukovych at 3 Lard
                    Hey! Are you okay? Have you heard anything about international courts about "Yanukovych's debt"? Now remind me: were there any courts on African debts?
                    1. Cruorvult
                      Cruorvult 31 October 2019 06: 22
                      0
                      Rofl. You see only what you want to see. Yanuca was issued through the British, which does not prevent Ukraine from slowing down the process through appeals, although as early as the spring of 17, the High Court of London satisfied the lawsuit of Russia, recognizing that Ukraine was obliged to pay the debt of $ 3 billion, Africa issued the USSR, without any euro guarantees, and so on.

                      Here I see, here I do not see :-D
      2. The popuas
        The popuas 30 October 2019 07: 21
        0
        What a sale if they have no money! request
  11. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 30 October 2019 06: 46
    +12
    In my opinion, these fabrications were recently published "somewhere nearby" ... And I responded with comments. And since I already began to rustle to write comments on the topic of forgiven African miliards, I place the already mentioned comment here:The essence of the article can be characterized by an "African" proverb: "When a hyena wants to devour its offspring, it seems to her that it smells like a goat ..."! The author is fluent in verbiage, "art" that allows a common idea to be declared absurd; and the absurd - healthy! So in this case, the absurd idea is declared sound! And that's why ... Suppose some country of "Goodwin" is so poor that neither now nor in the near future, it will not be able to pay off the debt and will not want to ... But over time, the situation changes ... "Goodwin" begins develop and grow rich! And now the economic development of the country prompts "Goodwin" to conclude an agreement with a certain international industrial and economic association in order to trade in its "zone" ... But the legislation of the association requires the "applicant" to have no debt to the members of the association ... So Goodwin will need "pay off" old "debts! By "forgiving" debts to "Goodwin", the country is depriving "guaranteed" future generations of its citizens of money that could eventually get them ... As for the Paris Club, Russia is not "used to" yes to join "! Now in "shit", now in the "Paris Club"! And why shouldn't Russia declare that it is itself a "hunger" and needs funds no less than "some Goodwin" ?! And for this reason he cannot "forgive everyone"!
    1. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 30 October 2019 08: 20
      +5
      And why shouldn't Russia declare that it is itself a "beggar" and needs funds no less than "some Goodwin" ?! And for this reason he cannot "forgive everyone"!
      So, no one will believe looking at our, “orphans,” Again, the guarantor will be uncomfortable after such a statement - according to the zombie man, another picture is shown to citizens, and God forbid, the Western media will begin to tease with rogue ... lol Her, low-level stability with us. winked
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 30 October 2019 23: 01
      -1
      You are not from Ukraine? Usually a Ukrainian man gets richer in thought ...
  12. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 30 October 2019 07: 05
    +4
    Why not forgive? Not out of pocket ...
    As for the African kids in the photo, then:

    They also need rehabilitation centers. It is even better to learn to find out the causes and prevent the onset of this disease ... And there is also multiple sclerosis that occurs from nowhere and is not amenable to treatment. A disease that progresses and maintain the patient's condition can only be imported drugs. And when it is necessary to determine disability, a person must prove that he is not a camel, going through the humiliation of doctors in clinics and the sympathy of colleagues at work ...
    1. at84432384
      at84432384 30 October 2019 18: 55
      0
      Well, Chubais spoke out on this a long time ago, and the current government has never refuted him: "Well, 30 million will die ... they have not fit into the market." How was the "guarantor" surprised that we are collecting money by SMS for the treatment of children ?! And they are all right.
  13. The popuas
    The popuas 30 October 2019 07: 16
    +8
    I feel like a dozen more articles will explain that it’s good fellow as with retirement age, everyone rushes to explain that this is the GUD ... that the population of Africa have some advantages ... angry
  14. Max Chervon
    Max Chervon 30 October 2019 07: 27
    +5
    Pay attention to write off in exchange for perspective! For the future, Russian Railways in the CAR, for example, what kind of nonsense?
    1. Cheerock
      Cheerock 30 October 2019 09: 34
      -4
      Do you think it’s nonsense to build nuclear power plants under foreign contracts?
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 30 October 2019 23: 02
      +1
      And they could simply not write off and not get anything. You would be calm.
      1. Cheerock
        Cheerock 31 October 2019 00: 13
        0
        Could write off, but at the same time make and earn money and influence. I would be pleased.
  15. max702
    max702 30 October 2019 07: 36
    0
    Go to Ethiopia war? Arrest furniture at Laos embassy?
    A nuclear ashes on the site of a government house that does not repay debts in a flash would organize a queue of states repaying debts. and the rhetoric of the greyhound neighbors would have changed ... all our misfortune is from GOOD! It’s necessary to beat with a tenfold margin, then there will be respect and fear ..
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 30 October 2019 08: 18
      -1
      This is called terror and fascism. "Well done" in one word.
      1. max702
        max702 30 October 2019 08: 48
        -1
        Quote: CruorVult
        This is called terror and fascism. "Well done" in one word.

        This is called a competent financial policy .. I don’t care about other states and peoples, they don’t care about me in the same way, this is all fair .. And as for the "terror", this is just the right of the strong, nobody canceled it, who prevented them from becoming strong themselves dictate terms? My country has been hindered and hindered for millennia, but WE are somehow coping, we just have to work ..
        1. Cruorvult
          Cruorvult 30 October 2019 08: 52
          -4
          well done, well done, keep up the good work. "My country has been hindered and hindered for millennia" - looks like the tales of proto-ukrov about a thousand-year oppression.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 30 October 2019 23: 03
      0
      A great reason to start 3 MB!
  16. SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 30 October 2019 07: 45
    +8
    Now Russia needs to live in the current moment, earn money and gain political weight today, and not the day before yesterday.
    Gold words. Answer so the bailiffs and the banks calling them.
  17. Wilderness
    Wilderness 30 October 2019 08: 35
    +6
    The impossibility of collecting debt is something that does not fit well with "gaining weight" diplomacy.
    If you cannot take a debt - pass it on to your descendants, maybe they will have more real (and not "first-channel") strength. Nobody wrote off the tsar's debts to Russia, they ripped off every penny. We just waited a bit.
    Now I believe that a new world order is being built at the expense of Russia.
  18. Million
    Million 30 October 2019 08: 49
    +6
    Russian citizens of Russian politicians are less and less interested
  19. abyssal
    abyssal 30 October 2019 09: 02
    +8
    As Lavrov noted, legally very hard to prove at what rate Soviet Union debts were granted to African countries. Therefore, it is not possible to return them,

    1. Educational program for Lavrov: 20 ml. dollars remain 20 billion. dollars regardless of the ruble exchange rate. Whether the ruble strengthened or collapsed by a rapid jack, not African problems.
    2. This money would help Russia a lot, or "not much" or "not very much" does not matter. They would help.
    3. How not to write off debts, but to return them even with a forest, even with fossils, even with territories, let Lavrov take an interest in the Chinese, for example.
    4. Debts can not be written off, but frozen. An example is Vietnam, which buys the same weapons from us and the same states for cash.
    You can go on and on, but why? In fact, the article also has a "benefit" from the write-off.
    A curtain.
    1. meandr51
      meandr51 30 October 2019 23: 04
      +1
      Like for you: debts are not recognized as debts of the illegitimate previous government. And cancellation is just such a firework. But when the Russian Federation has such an influence, and the fleet is like the United States, it will be more difficult to ignore debt to debtors. And for this it is necessary to work actively in the international arena, to gain ground, to invest in it.
      1. abyssal
        abyssal 31 October 2019 08: 38
        -1
        Quote: meandr51
        Like for you: debts are not recognized as debts of the illegitimate previous government.

        I won’t even ask you to somehow confirm this statement, because know in advance that you are blown away.
  20. Pike
    Pike 30 October 2019 09: 03
    +5
    The debts of a simple state, and the oligarchs will receive preferences and benefits. Financial flows will settle in offshore and pass Russia ...
  21. Avior
    Avior 30 October 2019 09: 05
    +6
    In fact, there is no mechanism for collecting debt from states.
    But, when they write off the old debt (which is also very strange) and immediately give it to a new one, it is beyond the bounds of all common sense — there were no and no return mechanisms.
    The only logical explanation is that someone is personally strongly interested in such "economic relations".
  22. Varyag71
    Varyag71 30 October 2019 09: 45
    +3
    Tens of billions do not solve anything .... Yeah, but for every ruble they are ready to skin the country.
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 30 October 2019 10: 21
      0
      Do not lie or steal.

      In 2017, bailiffs wrote off 2,2 trillion rubles of bad debts from Russians. It is reported that this is 16% more than a year earlier.
      Experts associate this "attraction of unheard of generosity" with an increase in lending to the population and a drop in real incomes of citizens. Moreover, too much workload on the bailiffs does not allow them to spend a lot of time on each case - in this case, it is easier to close the court proceedings en masse, the NSN writes. At the moment, in 90% of cases, debt obligations are completely removed from Russians. This is reported by Rambler.
  23. aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 30 October 2019 09: 53
    +3
    Did the whole country work for free a week only for Africa? And we still pay royal debts. I do not see the logic.
    1. Cruorvult
      Cruorvult 30 October 2019 10: 23
      +1
      These debts are 50 years old, most aching, not a second worked for free for Africa.

      The Tsar’s debts are presented to us, in particular for the construction of railway, but we don’t give them back, if we don’t recognize it.
      1. Avior
        Avior 30 October 2019 10: 37
        -1
        And no one is in a hurry to forgive them.
        And debts to the Soviet Union are the same money as Russia
        1. Cruorvult
          Cruorvult 30 October 2019 11: 55
          +1
          As far as I remember, there privately, enthusiasts buy up imperial papers and sue. Roughly like hikhly, who want "occupation" for "trillions".
          1. Avior
            Avior 30 October 2019 11: 57
            -1
            And no one is in a hurry to forgive them.
            1. Cruorvult
              Cruorvult 30 October 2019 12: 04
              0
              I wrote about this in the first comment, if that. As far as I understand, there will be no other examples of how we repay certain imperial debts.
              1. Avior
                Avior 30 October 2019 12: 14
                0
                And the fact that someone has forgiven tsarist debts, will be?
                So what did the Soviet forgive? So that happy Africans can make new ones?
                1. Cruorvult
                  Cruorvult 30 October 2019 12: 21
                  +1
                  I here want to say to many: "You either put on your panties, or take off the cross."
                  On the one hand, everyone is so "Soviet", and you smell like sweaty bourgeoisie.

                  Some write that all the money will go to certain oligarchs, others: "they will make new debts." :-D
                  It is immediately evident - "large" specialists.

                  China has recently come to Africa, and it is already writing off billions of debts, because profits are far greater.
        2. meandr51
          meandr51 30 October 2019 23: 11
          0
          Do you think that makes it easier for them? Just the Russian Federation does not make concessions, unlike Africa. And when they go, they write off very quietly.
  24. Free wind
    Free wind 30 October 2019 10: 30
    +1
    The face of one brow, from the top photo, cleaned with shoe polish, they will not be distinguished from each other.
  25. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov 30 October 2019 10: 39
    +1
    Nobody forgave the debts of the Russian Empire and the USSR, Russia, and that is, we all paid it.
  26. Gardamir
    Gardamir 30 October 2019 10: 44
    0
    What is the manner of writing as if the Union is hell? Everyone knows that in Cuba there is rum, sugarcane so that debts are repayable. But the Soviet Union gave it, there is reason to spit. African countries are also rich, if you make brains. However, the gentlemen from the Kremlin will put in their pocket.
    Then maybe they will forgive the debts of their citizens?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 30 October 2019 10: 56
      0
      Why do we need Cuban sugar, we have our own sugar overproduction. To agrarians to ruin?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 30 October 2019 11: 18
        +2
        Sugar on account of debt can be taken cheaper, sold at a higher price. Do not want sugar, take tobacco. We have already expressed how stupid to forgive debts.
      2. balunn
        balunn 30 October 2019 11: 47
        -2
        let rum give :-) or molasses. Rum, so be it myself.
    2. meandr51
      meandr51 30 October 2019 23: 13
      0
      Well, sell that reed in the market ... They only have enough for a cup of coffee.
  27. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 30 October 2019 11: 10
    +1
    For debt forgiveness, look and listen:
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 October 2019 19: 10
      +3
      What? There are dissenting people who are gagging from the words "red" and "socialism"? And Uncle Kolya competently and consistently tells what good debts and debtors are, and what incompetent creditors are at someone else's expense. But while you rage, we will soon remember everything to you ...
  28. iouris
    iouris 30 October 2019 11: 33
    -1
    First, these debts to the USSR. Secondly, the debtors really want to repay the debts of the Russian Federation, but they do not have such an opportunity (it is enough "secondly").
    1. Avior
      Avior 30 October 2019 12: 14
      0
      Algeria had such an opportunity.
      But still forgiven.
      1. Cruorvult
        Cruorvult 30 October 2019 12: 25
        -2
        Exactly, and if they don’t want to, then it is necessary to bang nuclear weapons, as one Svidomo offers from above.
        They have a budget deficit of 17% in 25 years. Ololo.
  29. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 30 October 2019 12: 02
    -1
    Yes and right .. One service of these debts translates into a tidy amount
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    1. Alex66
      Alex66 30 October 2019 14: 03
      0
      Negroes have no feeling of debtors, it will be like in a non-censorship joke: ... well come on, come on, drive me into debt. "
  31. d.olegov44
    d.olegov44 30 October 2019 13: 44
    +1
    Critics of debt relief to African countries have little idea of ​​how Russia could receive these debts back. Go to Ethiopia war? Arrest furniture at Laos embassy?


    Bananas, for example. And it will turn out like the USSR did - they fed and kept all Negroes and Latinos, and in response to their comrades it was broke to dump that they at least had a booty and that they removed three crops, and the Soviet man saw bananas only in the movies. From papier-mâché.

    Yes, and why is it so overwhelmed to write off? Duty to eat, let it be - does not ask to drink. You can exchange for something in the future, push them through the vote we need in the same UN, for example. Why drain it completely without exhaust into the toilet?
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  32. tolancop
    tolancop 30 October 2019 14: 15
    +3
    I am not a finance specialist, but somehow the benefits of writing off debts are not visible in my mind .... Is it problematic to return? I do not argue ... But why write off? And what kind of buns did Russia receive from cancellation?
    "... In addition, the largest Russian companies have their own interests in a number of African states. For example, the Russian Rusal operates in Guinea ..."
    And "Rusal" that .... exactly Russian? Creating favorable conditions over the hill for Russian companies is a necessary and useful thing. Only STATE money is written off, and PRIVATE companies will receive profit. And how they want to share their earnings (with direct state support in various types of conditions under which earnings became possible) with the Russian state, one does not need to go far for examples ...
    Including, whatever one may say, but "I am tormented by vague doubts .." (C).
  33. NordUral
    NordUral 30 October 2019 16: 35
    +2
    And Lavrov began to fuss about "uncollectible" debts. Creatures - pays for all the people and the country, and profits from this criminal write-off of the debts of the organized crime group in power.
  34. armata_armata
    armata_armata 30 October 2019 18: 13
    +2
    As Lavrov noted, it is very difficult legally to prove at what rate the debts of the Soviet Union were provided to African countries. Therefore, it is not possible to return them

    Who prevents to raise all deliveries to Africa and recount their amount for current money. There is nothing to give, there is minerals, there is agricultural products, let them give them away, what problems?
  35. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 30 October 2019 19: 44
    -3
    All the same, no one was going to return these grandmas, simply by the fact that they are not there and will not be. And so, a beautiful gesture.
  36. certero
    certero 1 November 2019 11: 44
    +1
    Strange, it would be a debt, but you can always find how to get it from the country.
    Germany won, only last year paid the last reparation for the First World War. And no one wrote them off.
    1. Sergey1987
      Sergey1987 1 November 2019 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: certero
      Germany won, only last year paid the last reparation for the First World War.

      Germany completed the payment of reparations following the results of the First World War. The last tranche of 70 million euros was paid on October 3, the day of the 20th anniversary of the reunification of Germany.
  37. Brigadier
    Brigadier 2 November 2019 19: 50
    -1
    Everything, as usual, under Putin and his "colleagues" such as Chubais, Kudrin, Nabiulina.

    "Alien": writing off multibillion-dollar debts.
    "Own": pension "reform", tax increases, meager pensions and wages, the collapse of the economy, utilities ...


    Vote for Putin or his protege in future elections!
    We will write off many more things to our Western and African "friends"!
  38. enky
    enky 6 November 2019 14: 59
    +1
    Amused in the article by the phrase: "Russian" Rusal "works in Guinea" ... Excuse me, but is Rusal really Russian?
  39. enky
    enky 6 November 2019 15: 10
    +1
    [quote = d.olegov44] [quote] Yes, and why was it so scribbled to write off? Duty to eat, let it be - does not ask to drink. You can exchange for something in the future, push them through the vote we need in the same UN, for example. Why should it be drained without exhaust into the toilet? [/ Quote]
    Well, why without exhaust, is it so customary with us? Obviously 10 percent of the rollback, the team, you know who, will receive ...