Polish media urge Russia and China to beware of new American torpedo

The latest modification of the American Mk 48 torpedo of a heavy type is able to create “big problems” for Russian and Chinese submarines, possessing not only an increased range, but also a developed ability to withstand the effects of interference. About this warns the Polish media Defense24.

Revolution at the old base

The US military reported ongoing work on a new version of the heavy torpedo Mk 48, designed to attack surface ships and submarines. It is supposed to create a practically new combat system with an increased range and increased efficiency. This is planned to be achieved mainly through the transformation of the warhead along with the guidance system.

Modernization concerns a torpedo, the production of which was curtailed several years ago. As it turned out, the reserve for the modernization of the Mk-48 was so large that it was more profitable to upgrade the already manufactured versions than to create a completely new torpedo from scratch.

At the moment, one can only guess which designation will be chosen for the new product. The last two modifications received the indices Mk 48 Mod 6 and Mk 48 Mod 7. It is these options that are the basis for the development of the new version, which is entrusted to Lockheed Martin Corporation.

Secrets of the new filling

First of all, the contractor will have to upgrade the acoustic receiver. It is necessary to bring the electronic components placed in it in accordance with the currently available technologies. It is necessary to increase memory and improve processor bandwidth. As a result, this will make it possible to reduce the reaction time of the entire guidance system, as well as develop the receiver's ability to analyze the situation and recognize the observed targets.

Among the design changes, a significant reduction in the dimensions of the control unit and processing of the CBASS (Common Broadband Advanced Sonar System) sonar system can be noted, which will allow it to be moved to the front section of the guidance head.

From the point of view of operational capabilities, the United States has improved, first of all, the ability to search for targets for attack and its allocation against the background of other objects, underwater and surface, as well as recognition of decoys and distracting devices. An increase in noise immunity will be affected by an increase in the bandwidth of the guidance sonars. Changes were made to the propulsion system, significantly reducing the acoustic signature of the new torpedo, which makes it difficult to detect the enemy.

The torpedo Mk 48 in the basic version has a length of 5,79 m, a diameter of 533 mm and a weight of 1662 kg. The warhead weight is 292,5 kg, even allowing it to destroy a destroyer class ship, which, according to Defense24, was proved during field tests using completed craft.

The torpedo Mk 48 is therefore incredibly formidable weaponswhich the naval forces of countries such as China or Russia should think about

- concludes the Polish edition, urging to beware of the new American development.

Comments

[Wedmak]

I remember one cartoon character ... in one famous cartoon ... Tobacco called ... also barked for the time being.

[Sky strike fighter]

It’s just right for everyone to beware of the Polish media for their inadequacy. This is a kind of note from the insane asylum in content.

[krot]

I recall one cartoon character ... in one famous cartoon ...

Right! I thought about the same as soon as I read the title)) "And we will go north, and we will go north ..."))) While Sharkhan is in power, his mongrels yapping, who is louder!

[dik-nsk]

+, "When we return back, there will be no one. And even the Frog, and his bones" aha, Poles are such Tobaccos))

[Starover_Z]

Polish media urge Russia and China to beware of new American torpedo

The new European mouthpiece of the US State Department? Probably at a reduced rate or in general as an advance payment for military assistance to the Poles against aggressive Russia ...
Oh well ...

[Sky strike fighter]

They are so trying to scare us. Clowns.

[Xnumx vis]

In principle, any torpedo should beware! The only Poles are right! Russian torpedoes should also beware ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Starover_Z

The new European mouthpiece of the US State Department?

No, well, if the Polish media suggest they are afraid, then this is serious, I already bought a pound of salt, and two bags of pasta, all the flour has already been taken apart.

[Leopold]

Matches? Don’t cook anything without fire. And salt is a must.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leopold

Matches? Don’t cook anything without fire

A five-liter canister of gasoline and a dozen silicon lighters, and a kerosene canister for a seven-line kerosene lamp.

[Leopold]

Vlad So I thought, maybe I’m a teacher at school to go to OBZH. And I can give examples from life. Maybe there will still be some kind of benefit from me?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leopold

And I can give examples from life. Maybe there will still be some kind of benefit from me?

A person with life experience will always bring benefits, in pedagogical institutes this is not taught now.

[poquello]

Quote: Wedmak

I remember one cartoon character ... in one famous cartoon ... Tobacco called ... also barked for the time being.

some kind of defense-style supply, when the next dill missile capable of flying to Magadan along with the full staff of the maidband is presented at the VO

[Operator]

"performer is coming upgrade the acoustic receiver. Necessary The electronic components located in it should be brought into line with current technologies. Required increase memory and improve processor bandwidth "

Ty, started the Polish-American cartoons

[Piramidon]

Polish media urge Russia and China to beware of new American torpedo

The torpedo MK 48 is therefore an incredibly formidable weapon, which should be considered by the naval forces of countries such as China or Russia

Why was the gentry so preoccupied? They already got it into service?

[Wedmak]

Timely made bark apparently paid.

[Katanikotael]

Meanwhile, the Chinese are modernizing the flurry, and who should be afraid of whom?

[Valery Valery]

The torpedo is really good ...
But, we have the means of GPA (hydro-acoustic countermeasures), which reduce all the qualities of the mk-48 "to naught."

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Valery Valery

But, we have the means of GPA (hydro-acoustic countermeasures), which reduce all the qualities of the mk-48 "to naught"

I didn’t know about such, and what qualities bring to nothing? .... I think this is not a secret ...

[Brylevsky]

But, we have the means of GPA (hydro-acoustic countermeasures), which reduce all the qualities of the mk-48 "to naught"

I wonder how the submarine simulator will disrupt the torpedo guidance process if the torpedo is in remote control mode? After all, the distance to our boat is known to the American; an attempt to set the GPA will not help us in any way - there is a distance to the target (our boat) there is a distance to the "lure" - it will become clear to any commander of the American boat that the target (our boat) was set by a simulator; it means that the guidance of the torpedo will be in remote control mode. How does the “GPA tool” help our boat in this case? Just let’s not conduct a dialogue in the vein: “We have such devices, but we won’t tell you about them.”

[Valery Valery]

The answer is:
GPA means are divided into three main types, imitating, masking and combined. And to start the fight (the means of the GPA are a special case of the electronic warfare means) it is necessary with an acoustician of the enemy's submarine, and here even the means of the last century (drifting MG-34, GIP-1, and self-propelled MG-74, MG-104) will not allow the submarine commander to determine enemy location of the "target". Plus, a competent maneuver, depending on the layer of the jump and the use of your own PLO.

This is so - if you explain it on your fingers. And so this is a whole science.

[Brylevsky]

Hello Valery! I think that dear readers should thank you for the "educational program". But, unfortunately, I have not heard from you an answer to the question: the Mk.48 torpedo in telecontrol mode is attacking our boat, how do you intend to protect it? I propose to sort this issue out together ...
Those GPA means that you so kindly listed, in my opinion, will not become "very strong witchcraft" against targeting a torpedo through TELCOM, since in this case the torpedo CLS is not involved - from beginning to end a torpedo (Torpedoes. Double-torpedo salvo, we will return to it) a person "leads". That is, the deception of the homing system "Corundum" and other magnetites, unfortunately, is excluded. This is the first thing.

will not allow the commander of the enemy boat to determine the location of the "target".

With what, excuse me, a fright, they will not let me determine? I am telling you in Russian: if our boat uses the GPA, the enemy will have two distances: 1) The distance to the target (our boat), which was previously contacted, tracked, determined by the EDC, the data for firing was developed and the torpedo was fired attack; 2) The distance to the appeared means of the GPA (boat simulator). It will look like a split bearing. And considering that in the telecontrol mode the TELCOM operator uses the torpedo guidance head in the active mode, then there will also appear a distance - both to our boat and to the simulator. What this threatens our boat with, I think, to explain, unnecessarily ...

Plus, a competent maneuver depending on the jump layer

And what - an American ship or a boat does not know about the existence of a layer of a jump in the density of water? Doesn't it have any maps showing its depth? And obviously, he doesn't track hydrology during combat duty either? A highly controversial argument on your part ... like any double-edged sword.

application of own PLO.

In order to use your own weapon, you must first detect the enemy, I hope you agree with that? Well, how is it with us with the detection of enemy boats? Is it all "good"? Are we theirs, or do they "make us"?
Just do not lie ... to yourself, first of all.
You restrained optimism about the use of GPA means against Mk.48, in telecontrol mode, may even be contagious, but - here's the problem - no later than 15 years ago, I was taught to shoot "through the GPA". Not Mk.48, of course, but SET-65, but this is not the point. It is important that such a tactical technique exists and the Americans are well aware of it, I had to talk with one of them on this topic. Let us, nevertheless, return to the subject of the question: the target is our boat, a surface ship is shooting "on the stop", a two-torpedo salvo Mk.48, an interval of 10 seconds, telecontrol, a distance of 13 km. What will we meet?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Brylevsky

That is, the deception of the homing system "Corundum" and other magnetites, unfortunately, is excluded. This is the first thing.

did not quite understand what data the operator will be guided by when hovering? if the data from some sensors then why will the electronic warfare not work?

[Brylevsky]

what data will the operator follow when hovering?

Bearing, distance, course angle of the target, as well as the magnitude of their change.

if data from some sensors

According to data from the torpedo homing system. The head of the CLS torpedo "broadcasts" or "listens", at the choice of the operator, and transmits information about the target by cable to the submarine. The torpedo in this version is controlled by a person, and not by a homing system.

why will not electronic warfare work?

Means of hydroacoustic counteraction, to be precise. Because a person is able to identify the separation of goals, to understand that one of them (or not one, if there are more than one imitator) is false. Accordingly, it will not send a torpedo "on the wrong track", which is the fault of the vast majority of homing systems, and not only torpedoes.

[Sanichsan]

I am an amateur in this matter on this I will continue to ask questions. not very obvious yet ...

Quote: Brylevsky

According to data from the torpedo homing system. The head of the CLS torpedo "broadcasts" or "listens", at the choice of the operator, and transmits information about the target by cable to the submarine. The torpedo in this version is controlled by a person, and not by a homing system.

well, let’s say so, but what can such a torpedo come to visit? definitely not a submarine. At the latest NATO exercises, they practiced the protection of an aircraft carrier from a submarine attack. Norwegian DEPL simulated an attack. as a result, the aircraft carrier’s means and warrants could not find the submarine. the submarine reported on the attack and surfaced 50 (!) meters from the aircraft carrier.
what can the torpedoes seek out if the diesel-electric submarines don’t even see much more powerful means of detection at a distance of 50 meters?

Quote: Brylevsky

Means of hydroacoustic counteraction, to be precise.

thank you for clarifying

Quote: Brylevsky

Because a person is able to identify the separation of goals, to understand that one of them (or not one, if there are more than one imitator) is false.

in the last century, perhaps true, but certainly not in the 21st century.
Considering what I wrote above with submarines, this will happen only in one case - two submarines will crash into each other and from the impact, the captains falling to the console will give a command to launch torpedoes.
if we talk about surface ships, then your data looks realistic. surface ships have a significantly more noticeable signature than modern submarines. here all atk except for the definition of false targets a modern computer will cope much faster and better.

[Brylevsky]

well, let’s say so, but what can such a torpedo come to visit?

Do not target. It will be operated by the operator. The target in this case will be a source of characteristic noise, which CIUS has classified as a submarine. Each ship "sounds" in its own way; acoustic portraits of them have long been "removed", both by us and them and recorded in the memory of the CIUS and torpedo homing equipment. Since the homing head of the Mk.48 torpedo is active-passive, the operator and the CIUS on board the boat or ship can not only listen (and this is the bearing to the target), but also use the ultrasound radiation for location (and this is the distance to the target and / or means GPA). The operating mode of the GOS in the case of telecontrol is selected by the operator, he can arbitrarily change it at any time. Figuratively speaking, we can say that a torpedo in telecontrol mode is a combination of a remote hydrophone, a "radar" and a noise spectrum analyzer (at this moment, the role of a spectrum analyzer is taken over by the CIUS).

what can the torpedoes seek out if the diesel-electric submarines don’t even see much more powerful means of detection at a distance of 50 meters?

To tell you the truth, I don’t know why they didn’t find her. I don’t want to be a prosecutor or a lawyer ... Perhaps they searched stupidly. Or the conditions of hydrology were difficult at that moment. DEPLs are generally distinguished by low noise, in contrast to nuclear powered ships. You need to know the alignment of forces and means and local conditions in order to draw any conclusions.

in the last century, perhaps true, but certainly not in the 21st century.

Unfortunately, right now it is possible ... Unlike a "stupid" but fast machine, a human operator is able to assess the tactical situation. On the other hand, the speed of the machine provides a person with comprehensive information about the goal, and all he needs is to "fuse" logic and intuition together.

Considering what I wrote above with submarines, this will happen only in one case - two submarines will crash into each other

This happened, and more than once. The reverse side of the submarine's stealth ...

and from the impact, the captains falling to the console will give a command to launch torpedoes.

And this also happened. Thank God, it was smart enough to cancel the order, American "Baton Rouge".

if we talk about surface ships, then your data looks realistic.

They are more than realistic for our submarines, unfortunately ... Telecontrol in the domestic fleet, consider that not. There is anachronism (more than 30 years behind) and "masturbation", with general deception, but this sore point does not apply to the topic of the article.

a modern computer will cope much faster and better.

He copes. Those who have it ... Fortunately, the main detail of every weapon is a person. Is this the reason:

aircraft carrier funds and warrants could not detect the submarine

[Sanichsan]

thank you for clarification

[Valery Valery]

The answer is:
Reread my previous answer taking into account the following information:
1. Telecontrol is the control by wire (cable). Those. a thin wire stretches behind the torpedo from which its guidance can be adjusted. And this is one of the torpedo control modes, which in real conditions is not applicable (or, more precisely, it is applicable only for targets that do not fire in response - tankers, support vessels, etc.). Any other info on telecontrol is either a lie or a show.
2. The simulator pl (that is, the device, as a rule self-propelled, simulating some fields pl) is a small part. The main ones are masking devices (if you want - Maskirators) and if they are used correctly, no location of the square, its EDC cannot be determined.
This is me for you "in Russian" I answer: Mk48 - a wonderful torpedo and has the largest percentage of hits in the world for non-military targets or defenseless targets.

[Brylevsky]

Tired of arguing ... I appeal to the voice of reason:

The main ones are masking devices (if you want - Maskirators) and if they are used correctly, no location of the square, its EDC cannot be determined.

The very fact that the boat is using hydroacoustic countermeasures will not remain unnoticed by the enemy. After that, it becomes ridiculous to talk about the continuation of our submarine's combat mission - it is necessary either to take off our feet, or to become "heroes posthumously." From that moment on, her persecution will begin with anti-submarine forces and means, and the "point" in this hunt will most likely be Mk.48. Nails in the coffin lid ...

[Valery Valery]

Tired so tired!
But I did not argue, as an officer in the Federation Council tried to conduct an educational program.

[tarakan]

Excuse me civilian, but how does remote control work under water and at speed? (And at a distance)

[Leopold]

The dog that unwinds behind the torpedo. This is how the first "Baby" anti-tank systems were controlled by wire.

[Valery Valery]

Telecontrol is wire (cable) control

[Vladislav_2]

And what is she cooler than a flurry

[neri73-r]

Quote: Vladislav_2

And what is she cooler than a flurry

She seems to be different in everything; there is no sense even comparing them!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Vladislav_2

And what is she cooler than a flurry

To everyone. This is a modern and very dangerous torpedo capable of hitting ships of any class, a very effective and powerful weapon. One can only hope that our latest developments (Physicist 2 / Case) are a worthy analogue.

[Lexus]

The warhead weight is 292,5 kg, even allowing it to destroy class ships destroyer

Only we have practically no more of them. Without American torpedoes, the local liberals managed to do it quite well.

[Sky strike fighter]

Nothing. Soon we will have new torpedoes.

The newest electric torpedo, which will be equipped with promising nuclear submarines, is undergoing state tests, the finished model is planned to be transferred to the Navy within the next year. Igor Krylov, General Director of the State Research and Production Enterprise (GNPP) Region, told Interfax on Monday, May 13.

https://flotprom.ru/2019/%D0%98%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%8B%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F32/

[Vadim237]

For this, Russia has a complex of anti-torpedo protection Package NK - and they say that they are creating a new anti-torpedo system, as for the new modification of the Mk 48, its price is likely to exceed three million dollars per unit.

[poquello]

Quote: Vadim237

For this, Russia has a complex of anti-torpedo protection Package NK - and they say that they are creating a new anti-torpedo system, as for the new modification of the Mk 48, its price is likely to exceed three million dollars per unit.

Yes, there’s enough of the old package, and so yeah - we’re afraid, we give up

[Proton]

Poles are just like in gentlemen of fortune "Kii, you tavoy t! Go, go, do not be rude”

[Dmitry Potapov]

"do you know how strong my master is !?"

[kventinasd]

Hookers in their repertoire. What are the Psheks themselves creating, except for the demolition of monuments and wild Russophobia? They themselves do not understand that in the case of a large kipish the first will go to the slaughter, and the whole country. And no one will ask who is there for and who was against.

[Monster_Fat]

And I .... sorry for the boat ....

[Kettle]

Top or bottom?
The upper ship, a Newport-class tank landing ship from the early 70s, the size of a destroyer, looks like a freak, but with a unique hefty deck ramp (seen from the front). It was raised and lowered by a U-shaped bow tilt forward crane, making Newport look like Pinocchio.

But the bottom one is really good. Kushing, a destroyer of the "Spruens" class, a very successful ship with a large series (about 30), the first, it seems, an American with a VPU. Became the basis for "Ticonderogo" and, in part, the grandfather of "Arlie Berkov".
Caching was the last of the Spruens to be withdrawn from the fleet, and almost immediately executed by clogging and drowning by several missiles (including Harpoons), bombs and this same torpedo during an exercise in 2008. The clogging lasted, it seems, for several hours ...

[svp67]

The MK-48 torpedo is powerful and the United States has repeatedly proved that they are capable of creating formidable weapons at sea. But I really do not understand such a delight of the Poles.

[Invoce]

Quote: svp67

The MK-48 torpedo is formidable and the United States has repeatedly proved that they are capable of creating formidable weapons at sea. But I really don’t understand this delight Poles.

Puppy, or rather jackal delightincapable hangers-on

[Livonetc]

This is not a delight.
Well thought-out propaganda.
They made a choice and must constantly justify it even to themselves.
So that citizens do not begin to comprehend other ways of development.

[Brturin]

Quote: Livonetc

They made a choice and must constantly justify it even to themselves.
So that citizens do not begin to comprehend other ways of development.

They started their own. According to a recent poll, "Poland was the only country on the US side." only the rest in Europe are not very good - https://topwar.ru/162399-smi-v-sluchae-vojny-ssha-i-rossii-evropa-ostanetsja-nejtralnoj.html. Neighbors may not understand such zeal ...

[Prisoner]

Made in trousers, now scare others. There is no fear. There is a bolt on any nut. There is shame for the Poles. Very proudly the Poles got drunk.

[Lesorub]

Polish media urge Russia and China to beware of new American torpedo

The Polish media would better pay attention to the Kurds and their patrons - they have only one "Patron")))

[rocket757]

Do we have a new joke - "Polish experts" ???
Ha, ha, there are specialists so special.

[KVU-NSVD]

Modernization concerns a torpedo, the production of which was curtailed several years ago. As it turned out, the reserve for the modernization of the Mk-48 was so large that it was more profitable to upgrade the already manufactured versions than to create a completely new torpedo from scratch.

It is more likely that the new torpedo program has encountered serious difficulties - this is good. Mk48 was a magnificent torpedo, but now it will be improved - this is bad.

[Invoce]

Poles, who are not capable of anything, urge to FEAR the suzerain ... How can you not remember the jackal Tobaco from Mowgli .... "Yes! And we ... will go north!"

[Mavrikiy]

The latest modification of the American heavy Mk 48 torpedo is able to create “big problems” for the submarines of Russia and China, possessing not only an increased range, but also a developed ability to withstand the effects of interference. Polish media warns about this

Well, there are two ways. Either the Poles bought this miracle, or they have already suffered from it. Thanks for the caution. Then there are two ways again: either they want us to teach the Poles to deal with US torpedoes, or that we send them again , and they again roared about our aggressive mentality.

[pafegosoff]

Poland? Oh no! What else does it scare? An asteroid?

[Lapunevsky]

That is, all the torpedoes still in service with the US Navy do not cause fears, and the fleets of Russia and China should not be taken seriously with them? Where do journalists get to work from now? Are university rectors who have released such stupid ones not ashamed?

[Prisoner]

And what are the rectors to blame? That still they have a work-to sculpt from manure bullets.

[Lapunevsky]

That's just manure and it comes out anyway ...

[Prisoner]

So the law of conservation of matter, EPRST!

[APASUS]

The Poles praise the master and frighten his enemies with anger! As old as the world

[Prisoner]

Old is not old, but the neighbors have updated.

[petrol cutter]

Satanic torpedo. We will beware, however. Once such a thing.
What will the profile comrades from the * Hydraulic Appliance * s all say about this?

[Freeman]

Quote: Petrol cutter

Satanic torpedo. We will beware, however. Once such a thing.
What will the profile comrades from the * Hydraulic Appliance * s all say about this?

I don’t know how it is now, but before, it’s like - "they didn’t catch crows with a bastard."

From radio Soviet sailors

- Where's the log?
- Fuck * he knows, they say, on a satellite, a macaque scratches.
Translation:
- Where is the captain Derevyanko?
- I don’t know, but they say that it works through a closed communication channel and monitors American tests of the prototype of the Mk-48 torpedo
(c) internet

[kapitan281271]

And what is more, the Poles are here, the Mk48 is a serious machine, we are talking about this, but in this matter, if we speak very mildly, things are not very good, and there is not even a hint that someone is seriously dealing with the situation. There is no production or scientific base left in the Caspian Sea, all the talk that someone is doing something there (******** eh, you can't use "ancient Latin" ********) is nonsense, defeat there and complete collapse!

[The Siberian barber]

A good torpedo without modernization, but the title of the article ...)

[Vkd dvk]

I wonder what inspired Psheks to take care of the integrity of Russian and Chinese ships?
Right, maternal health care. These creatures do nothing without benefit for themselves. Apparently, they are practicing placement of amer bases at home. Try to knock off the price.

[Esaul]

It would be better for the Poles to fear a retaliatory nuclear strike against numerous American bases on their territory. The same half of Poland will simply be wiped off the face of the earth.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Sadness, then Poland will definitely no longer exist, there will be no one to "evaluate".

[NF68]

And so everyone in fear already hid in the corners. Where else? Maybe to escape from this torpedo to the moon or where else further?

[Jarserge]

The Polish six tells what a powerful master she has .......