Seoul presents full-size mock-up of KF-X - a promising 5 generation fighter

At the international aerospace exhibition in Seoul, South Korean manufacturers presented full-size models of promising aircraft.

Shot of South Korean TV

Particular attention was attracted to a full-size mock-up of a fifth-generation South Korean fighter, designated by the name of the program - KF-X.

It can be noted that the model of a promising combat vehicle, which in the future they plan to adopt for the Air Force of the Republic of Korea, is a kind of combination of the American versions of the F-22 and F-35. Visited the exhibition called the plane "a clone of US fighters." At the same time, its dimensions are slightly smaller than that of American fighters. So, if the length of the F-35 exceeds 15 m, the model presented in Seoul at the exhibition (and the manufacturers insist that it is full-sized) has a length of 13 m 45 cm.

On the model of a promising fighter, you can see models of weapons, which after the implementation of the program will turn into real weapon, for using KF-X. Arms are placed on external suspensions, while it is stated that some types of missiles will be located in the internal compartments of the aircraft.

It is planned that the multipurpose fighter 5-th generation KF-X will be single.

The program is implemented in cooperation between South Korean manufacturers and their Indonesian partners. At the same time, the main technological load in creating a promising fifth-generation fighter lies with Korea.

In the Republic of Korea, it is noted that such fighters can be put into service after the 2025 year. However, in 2020, it is planned to complete the creation of the South Korean 4 ++ generation fighter.

Comments

[FenH]

And they said that the outer body kits for the fifth generation are not comme il faut

[Voyager]

It is not comme il faut, but all aircraft should have such a possibility, if necessary. Even the F-22/35 has.

[FenH]

Quote: Voyager

It is not comme il faut, but all aircraft should have such a possibility, if necessary. Even the F-22/35 has.

Well, they would have depicted the pylons, which implied the availability of opportunities, otherwise they would pile the average between F35 and Su 35

[svp67]

Quote: FenH

Well, they would have depicted the pylons, which implied the availability of opportunities, otherwise they would pile the average between F35 and Su 35

They almost one to one "piled" the Chinese J-31

[FenH]

Quote: svp67

Quote: FenH

Well, they would have depicted the pylons, which implied the availability of opportunities, otherwise they would pile the average between F35 and Su 35

They almost one to one "piled" the Chinese J-31

The Chinese are more original, but this one looks like a penguin in a kit.

[svp67]

Quote: FenH

The Chinese are more original, but this one looks like a penguin in a kit.

I do not know. For me and the Chinese "gyrfalcon" to "nivgnipa" is very similar ...

[FenH]

Sorry with the J-20 messed up

[Orkraider]

So this is a mock, with mock weapons. Another hundred times change.
And they will make a layout with internal compartments.
And then you must agree, with an external suspension, it looks better, without it it would be a bit liquid)))

[Herman 4223]

The Koreans say that the aircraft will be the fourth generation (4,5). There was an article on VO. 120 pieces will be made for Korea and 80 for Indonesia.

[Thrall]

On the layout of a promising fighter, you can see models of weapons

Moreover, behind the tinted glazing of the cockpit lantern, an attentive viewer can also see the pilot’s model, which is almost full-sized (scale 13,45: 15 - Koreans below Americans)

[Nycomed]

External suspension for "stealth" - already a minus. And what will the Pook answer? The next "telegraph pole" tossed somewhere?

[stels_07]

it is full-sized) has a length of 13,45 cm.

[Thrall]

Quote: stels_07

it is full-sized) has a length of 13,45 cm.

It is in a "non-combat" state

[Cheerock]

In cold water.

[stels_07]

All the same, Uncle Sam fu35 will screw

[Herman 4223]

Yes, forty are planned for Korea.

[rocket757]

That’s all, consider, distort the concept, the form of a "penguin"! What for? He showed himself very well or ........

[dauria]

rip up the concept, the "penguin" shape! What for?

Because the F-35 is the result of 20 years of work, unsuccessful and not too successful attempts to make an airplane. F-117, F-22 ... People worked, pushed back and forth. Now they have found a middle ground and skim the cream. To the rest
envy and catch up. You can call it "Penguin" as much as you like, only they have a new generation workhorse capable of becoming the same as the F-16.

[FenH]

Quote: dauria

rip up the concept, the "penguin" shape! What for?

Because the F-35 is the result of 20 years of work, unsuccessful and not too successful attempts to make an airplane. F-117, F-22 ... People worked, pushed back and forth. Now they have found a middle ground and skim the cream. To the rest
envy and catch up.

What to envy? By avionics I still agree, but in appearance, this is an exaggeration

[dauria]

but in appearance, this is an exaggeration

Wow, is this a beauty pageant model? The testers called the MiG-25 a "freak" at first sight. So what ? Became a benchmark after a while.

[FenH]

Quote: dauria

but in appearance, this is an exaggeration

Wow, is this a beauty pageant model? The testers called the MiG-25 a "freak" at first sight. So what ? Became a benchmark after a while.

According to Defense News, the pilots of the first fourth-generation American fighters faced similar problems, but they negatively perceived the fifth-generation plane’s loss of stealth and structural damage at supersonic speeds. as well as its low maneuverability at angles of attack of more than 20 degrees.
I'm not talking about beauty, but aerodynamics

[dauria]

I'm not talking about beauty, but aerodynamics

This is the meaning of a "good airplane" - to reconcile conflicting requirements by finding the very middle. Pushing one at the expense of the other - and you can get in the ass. Such shapes (nose with a rib, absence of right angles between surfaces, V - plumage, bend of the intake that hides the compressor, absence of gaps) is already the norm, and it will be so. No one will sacrifice a low RCS for the sake of a dubious gain in maneuverability (which is largely determined not by the shape, but by the wing load and thrust-to-weight ratio). Walking even 20 extra kilometers unnoticed by an enemy is already a win.

[FenH]

Quote: dauria

I'm not talking about beauty, but aerodynamics

This is the meaning of a "good airplane" - to reconcile conflicting requirements by finding the very middle. Pushing one at the expense of the other - and you can get in the ass. Such shapes (nose with a rib, absence of right angles between surfaces, V - plumage, bend of the intake that hides the compressor, absence of gaps) is already the norm, and it will be so. No one will sacrifice a low RCS for the sake of a dubious gain in maneuverability (which is largely determined not by the shape, but by the wing load and thrust-to-weight ratio). Walking even 20 extra kilometers unnoticed by an enemy is already a win.

Doubtful win
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/06/12/the-pentagon-is-battling-the-clock-to-fix-serious-unreported-f-35-problems/

[Piramidon]

Quote: dauria

MiG-25 testers called "ugly" at first sight

I remember someone called it "a suitcase with wings"

[rocket757]

Quote: dauria

capable of becoming the same as the F-16.

Let's see until ah. Not a worker and not a horse.

[Zeev Zeev]

Actually, he showed himself. This is the only fifth generation aircraft that has been successfully used in combat and is no less successfully sold.

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Actually, he showed himself. This is the only fifth generation aircraft that has been used successfully in combat and no less successfully sold

Especially Germany

[Zeev Zeev]

And where does the Germans? F-35 is already flying in 10 countries, five more are waiting for delivery.

[FenH]

Which 10 country, or have you already considered Poland?

[Zeev Zeev]

USA, Israel, UK, Norway, Australia, Italy, Netherlands, Japan, Korea, and Turkey.

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

USA, Israel, UK, Norway, Australia, Italy, Netherlands, Japan, Korea and Turkey.

And the Turks know that they have an F-35
The Turkish Air Force was to receive the first of a hundred of its F-35A in 2012. With a pace of deliveries of 10–12 units per year, it was planned to complete them in 2021. In reality, the first fifth-generation fighter was officially handed over to the Turks only last year. But so far, all four finished Turkish aircraft have not left the United States.

[Zeev Zeev]

Well, yes, 4 fighters were transferred to train the Turks in the United States.

[FenH]

They haven’t been studying since June, they will have the same story as Russia has with the Mistrals

[Zeev Zeev]

Well then, nine countries. And another half dozen are waiting in line.

[rocket757]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

successfully used in hostilities and no less successfully sold

For sale, that's right. Striped malays, great trick, pig in a poke, pulled it off! Moreover, the cat is very expensive.

[Zeev Zeev]

This "pig in a poke" is already actually participating in hostilities.

[rocket757]

Involved. What's next?

[Zeev Zeev]

And successfully. Because it became a prototype to follow.

[FenH]

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/06/12/the-pentagon-is-battling-the-clock-to-fix-serious-unreported-f-35-problems/
here about success is well painted
even yours on it shoveled all avionics

[Zeev Zeev]

Ours always put their avionics and electronics. Since the days of "Mirages". And the F-35 is being bought. For money. And this is the best indicator of success.

[Zeev Zeev]

Do not trust RIA Novosti. Israel does not need short takeoff and landing aircraft, and American "aid" is easily offset by the supply of Israeli weapons systems to the United States. And even the release of spare parts for the F-35 (just now the Americans received from Israel the hundredth set of wings for the F-35 of Israeli production).

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Do not trust RIA Novosti. Israel does not need short takeoff and landing aircraft, and American "aid" is easily offset by the supply of Israeli weapons systems to the United States. And even the release of spare parts for the F-35 (just now the Americans received from Israel the hundredth set of wings for the F-35 of Israeli production).

You stated that you are buying for money, I congratulate you on the lie!
For sets of wings you striped paid.
A closer look does not mean buying

[Zeev Zeev]

I actually did not write anything about Israel. I wrote about Australia, the Netherlands, Great Britain, Italy ... Or do they also receive military assistance worth three billion a year from the United States?

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Our always avionics and electronics put their... Since the days of "Mirages".

And they buy F-35s. For money.

And this is the best indicator of success.

Re-read your opus.

[Zeev Zeev]

Buy, not buy. And Israeli industry puts avionics and electronics on ALL purchased or received planes, tanks, ships, etc.

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Buy, not buy. And Israeli industry puts avionics and electronics on ALL purchased or received planes, tanks, ships, etc.

It’s written that they put it, but don’t put it. So it doesn’t count!

[Zeev Zeev]

Our bet, they buy. Business

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Our bet, they buy. Business

where is the word “THEY” in your sentence?

[Zeev Zeev]

Yes, I somehow do not care, the offset is not the offset. On the topic have something to say? F-35 is being sold, and very successfully. For money it is sold, not for palm oil and not for the Papuans, but for developed countries. And they take it with great interest.

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Yes, I somehow do not care, the offset is not the offset. On the topic have something to say? F-35 is being sold, and very successfully. For money it is sold, not for palm oil and not for the Papuans, but for developed countries. And they take it with great interest.

The topic is actually about the Korean plane
They take the F-35, in view of the lack of an alternative. The Europeans will make their own plane, let's see who will take the F-35. The Germans have already refused, the Italians are turning their nose
Have you equated China with papus?

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

This "pig in a poke" is already actually participating in hostilities.

Only as a bomber. As a fighter, he is a "cat in a poke"

[Zeev Zeev]

And what plane after F-15/16/18 showed itself as a fighter? Something I do not remember air battles after 1991. Even in Yugoslavia there was a shooting of Serbian MiGs, not fights.
ADF. Although I'm lying, in 1999-2000 there were battles between the Ethiopian Su-27 and the Eritrean MiG-29. But there was also more shooting.

[FenH]

https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2019/02/28/12214993.shtml
read here
So you're right, LIE

[Zeev Zeev]

This was not a battle, but the shooting of already Indian MiGs from a long distance.

[FenH]

shot them instantly, and filled up the F-16, cool

[Zeev Zeev]

In fact, they overwhelmed the MiG-21. There is no evidence of Indian tales of a downed F-16.

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

And these are the tales of the Vienna Woods in the Indian version.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-kashmir-pakistan-f16/report-says-u-s-count-shows-no-pakistan-f-16s-shot-down-in-indian-battle-idUSKCN1RH0IM

Did they check in Jordan?

[Zeev Zeev]

And Jordan absolutely officially and with the approval of the United States delivered 13 F-16 old modifications in 2014. To deliver without the permission of the United States threatens the kingdom with the deprivation of annual subsidies of one and a half billion dollars.

[FenH]

So they write about that, they put a newcomer from Jordan

[Zeev Zeev]

So they wrote about that, that they checked at the Pakistan Air Force bases. Everything is in place.

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

So they wrote about that, that they checked at the Pakistan Air Force bases. Everything is in place.

Details of the India-Pakistan air engagement have not been fully provided by either side. If the US report turns out to be true, it would be a further blow to Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who had said that India had taught Pakistan a lesson.
Where does it say, or like highlie likes?
To be or not to be

[Zeev Zeev]

But the statement of the Indians that the MiG-21 shot down the F-16 has been refuted. Pakistan. Which showed the wreckage of all the missiles of this MiG, shot down by Pakistanis.

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

But the statement of the Indians that the MiG-21 shot down the F-16 has been refuted. Pakistan. Which showed the wreckage of all the missiles of this MiG, shot down by Pakistanis.

But the downed F-16 is not refuted

[Zeev Zeev]

Pakistan has denied, the United States has denied. For completeness of the evidence, of course, confirmation from the Ministry of Defense of Russia or Ukraine is necessary, but few people are interested in their opinion in this conflict.

[FenH]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

Pakistan has denied, the United States has denied. For completeness of the evidence, of course, confirmation from the Ministry of Defense of Russia or Ukraine is necessary, but few people are interested in their opinion in this conflict.

There is no refutation in your link, neither one nor the other (see highlighted), there is an assumption and your desire to wishful thinking.
And here is the Ministry of Defense of Russia? With the same success, the Ministry of Defense of Israel could drag here

[Zeev Zeev]

A US representative visited Pakistani Air Force bases. Reuters did not have any other sources, which they wrote. The bottom line is that the downed MiG is confirmed, and not by tweet, but officially. And the F-16 is refuted.

[rocket757]

In general, it is incorrect to compare the model worked out, brought to the nome for many years of operation, with a real imperfection !!! for which, moreover, there is no adequate infrastructure.
"Penguin" will not get much better in all respects, but as an experimental model, with a lot of bells and whistles and progressive technologies, it will show its own and give impetus to the creation of NEW, really PROGRESSIVE models of aviation technology.
It will give an impetus to the development of new techniques, strategies for conducting air combat and other operations.
This is an experiment, dear, but necessary ... besides, the Yankees sold it well !!!

[Herman 4223]

Come on, this concept doesn’t even smell there. The fourth-generation aircraft is much simpler without internal compartments. If this machine appeared in the series now, then commercial success would await it.

[rocket757]

The aircraft is unfinished, at least in terms of the parameters / capabilities that were announced, advertised .... will it be completed at all ??? yes FIG knows him. Although it would be worthwhile to work out and check the concept on which it was created.

[Herman 4223]

Fourth generation airplanes still do, and will be released somewhere before the beginning of the thirties. As a fourth-generation aircraft, this machine has nothing to do, the Koreans themselves say that the aircraft will surpass such machines as rafal, f16,18. North Korea has no decent answer to this car.

[rocket757]

Quote: Herman 4223

Koreans say that the aircraft will be superior to such machines as rafal, f16,18.

It is foolish to do worse than the models of past years.

Quote: Herman 4223

North Korea has no decent answer to this car.

Do northerners in general, if there is a clear concept of defense ??? it is obviously based on an immediate response to all that is!
Linear war is impossible there ... have already tried, no one else wants to experience this.

[Herman 4223]

The machine uses elements of stealth technology, but not to fanaticism. Structurally, it is much simpler f35, which makes it cheaper. If stealth technology does not prove its absolute superiority, then the machine will have a future.

[rocket757]

At F 35, a lot of things, besides stealth, were advertised .... only nowhere did it show up.
There is still a plane and an external "periphery" to do, not to alter!
It seems that nobody is in a hurry to do this or is not going to do it at all! Expensive and the result is not obvious.
Without the "periphery" the plane will be incomplete and not remarkable for ANYTHING special! Besides, they are expensive in all respects.

[Herman 4223]

The northern neighbor has only one salvation. Hope for help from China and Russia. What do you mean by the "outer periphery" of the aircraft?

[rocket757]

"external periphery" - what can constitute a network-centric (network) system, means of reconnaissance, control, target designation, information, electronic warfare and everything, everything that may not be on the plane, but what the pilot, the plane can / should use.
So far, this is also an experiment, a truncated version, but after all, they have to do it, otherwise the F 35 type aircraft remain "naked", in fact, and with their performance characteristics they cannot surprise anyone, much less frighten anyone.

[rocket757]

They don’t imagine how Koreans can \ want to surprise someone ... at least, they should not repeat striped mistakes and take advantage of their achievements if they are given, of course.

[Herman 4223]

Honestly, I have no idea whether the United States has problems with secentric systems, but even without them, the plane is not bad at all, I wouldn’t throw it with hats. The Koreans are not going to surprise anyone, apparently, they just need a modern workhorse to replace museum trash like f4.

[rocket757]

Quote: Herman 4223

I honestly have no idea whether the USA has problems with secentric systems

There are NO problems, because there is NO full network system either! So, the local zones are "covered" ..... this is not a finished experiment, an imperfection.

Quote: Herman 4223

the plane is not bad at all, he wouldn’t throw his hats.

Exactly, this is not the plane that everyone praises in advertising. The ordinary is not up to the station wagon, who will remain so until they create, put into operation everything he needs to prove himself ... if possible, of course.
So far, a greatly truncated version, a flaw.
The only thing I can admit is the search for a new one, an experiment that has touched the future.

[Skubudu]

Judging by the round nozzles, the Koreans are also not yet able to create an engine with a flat nozzle with acceptable traction.

[kventinasd]

Yes, they will buy from their own allies. To create a good dvigun for a fighter, these are not smartphones with Hyundai spank.

[bars1]

Quote: Skubudu

Judging by the round nozzles, the Koreans are also not yet able to create an engine with a flat nozzle with acceptable traction.

Judging by the round nozzles of the F-35, the Americans were disappointed in the flat nozzles of the F-22.

[Avior]

I think the thing is rather that the f-35 was created as a cheaper version of the f-22, flat nozzles are more expensive and reduce engine thrust, this is important for the f-35, it has one.
To whom are flat nozzles rotary, and on f-35 it is not used

[Amateur]

So the Koreans made a model of the 5th generation aircraft. The day is not far off when Burkina Faso & Burundi will show a model of their vision of plane-5.

[maden.usmanow]

Koreans seem to hold 30% of the global microelectronics market.
Engineering, machine tool, shipbuilding, engines.
These are not Papuans

[Amateur]

Koreans seem to hold 30% of the global microelectronics market.

I would also clarify: consumer electronics. And in military aviation, how much% ?.
Models of aircraft-5 have already shown Iran, GB, Japan, India, Turkey.
Why not make models and other countries?

[Basarev]

And in Pyongyang, the MiG-15 still flies.

[Zeev Zeev]

Koreans in their repertoire. From M1 "Abrams" they made K1 (type 88), from F-35 (which the Republic of Korea ordered 40 pieces) will make KF-X.

[Lapunevsky]

Externally - a copy of F-22 only without flat nozzles. Boring and not interesting.

[Nadrub]

Eeee and I can make a plane at least 6 and even 7 generations, though the OSB sheets will go away a lot :)

[TermNachTer]

Well, from a full-size layout to a combat aircraft - a way, oh, which is not close. And you need money - do not worry about mom. so let's see what the narrow-film will do.