How the "news" travels around the world allegedly about the death of "Wagnerites" in Libya

Appeared earlier this month in Russian liberal media news about the “mercenaries from the Wagner PMC” allegedly killed in Libya, continues to appear on the pages of some publications, including foreign ones, and each time in a new light.

The news of the death in the vicinity of the Libyan capital of Tripoli of supposedly "Russian mercenaries from the Wagner PMC" began to appear on the pages of foreign publications, some of which are far from being yellow newspapers. With a frequency of one to two days, this news appeared on the pages of the Turkish news agency Anadolu, the French newspaper Le Point, the British publication The Times, the Israeli portal News.co.il and some other media.

The news diverges in small details: in the vicinity of Tripoli during an unknown airstrike aviation either 25 or 35 “Russian mercenaries”, members of the Wagner PMC, which is fighting on the side of the Libyan National Army, General Khalifa Haftar, were killed. Moreover, each publication does not forget to remind its readers that PMCs were founded by a person close to the circle of Russian President Vladimir Putin, and the mercenaries are somehow connected with the Kremlin.

In addition, the news said that "hundreds of mercenaries associated with Russian military intelligence who support the rebel commander of the Libyan breakaway eastern part" are fighting in Libya, and Moscow at this time is trying to expand its presence in Africa by participating in bloody battles.

Recall that exactly the same news previously appeared on the Russian Internet resource of a liberal persuasion, Medusa, which, referring to "its own sources of information," announced the mass deaths of Russian mercenaries in Libya, while, as always, not citing any evidence.

The Military Review, which received links to foreign media outlets that also published news of the same content, decided to establish the original source of the message about the death of Russian mercenaries in Libya, since the news repeated by the publications of various countries has already gone beyond Russia and is now frightened by western inhabitants. The first link sent us to the website of the Israeli publication NEWSru.co.il, which in turn referred to the Turkish news agency Anadolu. Going to the page of the Turkish publication, we learned that the Turks took this news from the French newspaper Le Point. By going to the French website, we finally found out that the source of the news is the same Russian Internet resource, Medusa, which did not indicate its sources.

Comments

[PalBor]

Well, Medusa, she is also in Africa Medusa: slippery, nasty and constantly trying to scold.

[210ox]

I wonder if there is an article in the Criminal Code for the distribution of fakes? Fine for the first time, that would not seem honey. For the second time, row snow. To Siberia. There are many.

[Leeds]

Quote: 210ox

I wonder if there is an article in the Criminal Code for the distribution of fakes? Fine for the first time, that would not seem honey. For the second time, row snow. To Siberia. There are many.

They usually refer to specific surnames, relatives and so on. What prevents to interview these people, to do interviews and to smear fake by the face of the writer?
On the contrary, the lack of exposure of the fake in the form of facts only sows unnecessary doubts in people.

[vladcub]

Perhaps you are right, but on the other hand, isn't there too much honor for some "jellyfish"? I'm sure this "jellyfish" is cute and little known.

[Self]

How long does it take to cook up and publish a fake? 5-10 minutes. How much time and effort, find someone, interview someone, etc. A lot of time and money. This is a war of attrition, which you lose if you refute every fake with reason.

[210ox]

Once to refute, another time to fine .. And then he sawed. That's the whole refutation process.

[Tersky]

Quote: 210ox

I wonder if there is an article in the Criminal Code for the distribution of fakes?

Of course I have,

Criminal Code Article 128.1. h 2. Defamation contained in a public speech, a publicly displayed work or the media, -
is punished with a fine of up to one million rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to one year, or compulsory work for a period of up to two hundred and forty hours.

And what is the penalty of 1 lemon for the same "Medusa"? These grand-eaters can be frightened only by a real term in a labor "dispensary" specializing in a forest-feller.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Tersky

And what is the penalty of 1 lemon for the same "Medusa"? These grand-eaters can be frightened only by a real term in a labor "dispensary" specializing in a forest-feller.

You still need to grow up to the feller, let them first have an internship in the plot.

[PalBor]

In the Criminal Code is unlikely. Only a lawsuit in court about libel and damage to reputation. But Prigogine will most likely not contact.

[Kontrik]

If they died, they rest in peace .. Russian soldiers were always appreciated for their fighting spirit!
And the liberals just to spit towards Russia ..
If the Russians immediately appeared in Libya, then Gaddafi would have saved the country !!!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kontrik

If dead

So you admit that they speak the truth?

[Kontrik]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Kontrik

If dead

So you admit that they speak the truth?

Russian volunteers fought and are at war in many hot spots .. What's so strange.? And Libya is a strategically important area ..
But everyone has their own truth .. It depends on what goals!
Venezuela over there has quieted something .. Think why? Here is the same hehe

[PalBor]

Venezuela is quiet. But in Colombia, the FARC announced the resumption of the struggle, and in Ecuador, the revolution against the neoliberal Moreno. So again they begin to hysteria that it is Maduro, Castro and Putin who have muddied

[Sgt.]

Volunteers do not fight for money.

[Warrior2015]

Quote: Kontrik

If they died, they rest in peace .. Russian soldiers were always appreciated for their fighting spirit!

Yes, there was no fighting spirit there, people went to work for "grandmothers" and accidentally ran into an unexpected "response". According to open sources, a group of armed oil field guards was sent on buses to "squeeze" another oil field, and they went into the zone of American control. The Yankees turned to Khmeimim a couple of times, like withdraw your troops, ours answered honestly that our troops were not there, and the mercenaries got it in full (officially, they seemed to be mistaken for jihadists, whose units there are many in Syria except for Idlib), despite the fact that the operation was at night.

And there is nothing strange there - there are a bunch of international corporations that provide armed security to corporations around the world, and nothing. Just for our country (and for the West, which first learned about it) this is a curiosity, but soon everyone will get used to it.

[carstorm 11]

I personally don’t understand at all the very idea of ​​constantly reporting the death of mercenaries whoever they were. they have a job that they themselves have chosen and risk their lives for good money. not for the state and flag. for money. I, as a military man, generally relate to mercenaries so-so frankly. and for me personally, the huge difference is the death of a soldier and a mercenary. what these media are trying to prove, I personally can’t understand. mercenaries around the world die and do not particularly write about their losses, but as soon as somewhere Wagner pops up everything seems to be excited.

[Mainbeam]

Moreover, each publication does not forget to remind its readers that PMCs were founded by a person close to the circle of Russian President Vladimir Putin, and the mercenaries are somehow connected with the Kremlin.

For us it is a curiosity. It’s unusual that Russians can be mercenaries. If the Russian military is being killed abroad, this is booming. I remember that at the very beginning of the active phase of the Syrian company, when, like, there were not many of us in Syria, such infa spread across the Internet, not just the Libyan topic, but the Syrian one. There was even a spam video of how a convoy of trucks was shot from a drone.

[Mainbeam]

Found an example of how the news spins.

[vladcub]

Of course, immunity to such tales will appear - far from the first nonsense. If you delve into history, you can remember: Goebbels with horned commissars, and even earlier: the Cossacks at the peak roasted babies. The tsarist Cossacks used to threaten civilization, then the Stalinist commissars, and now the author’s wagner is a threat to the whole world. All the time we are a threat to civilization

[Leeds]

Quote: carstorm 11

I personally don’t understand at all the very idea of ​​constantly reporting the death of mercenaries whoever they were. they have a job that they themselves have chosen and risk their lives for good money. not for the state and flag. for money. I, as a military man, generally relate to mercenaries so-so frankly. and for me personally, the huge difference is the death of a soldier and a mercenary. what these media are trying to prove, I personally can’t understand. mercenaries around the world die and do not particularly write about their losses, but as soon as somewhere Wagner pops up everything seems to be excited.

Russian men are still sorry. Many, unfortunately, are guided by the same motives as our poor double basses in the First Chechen. The units are drawn by the romance of Rambo, the rest are realists.

[100502]

Mercenaries can only be despised, these are just nasty creatures.

[vladcub]

And the fact that ours are helping Assad? Or are there "vile creatures" there too? The question is very subtle

[Warrior2015]

Quote: vladcub

And the fact that ours are helping Assad? Or are there "vile creatures" there too? The question is very subtle

Nothing really subtle. Our troops help Assad and destroy most of the emerging jihadist caliphate; for this they receive a salary with allowances and that’s it.

Russian Mercenaries of Private LLC - ensure the interests of this private LLC and earn money. They did not storm, along with the Syrian government forces, the positions of the jihadists, but went to recapture the oil field. I hope now the difference has become clearer?

[Alexey RA]

And what to do with those PMCs who work not for the bourgeois moneybags, but for the official authorities? Remember the same memorable Executive Outcomes, which in Angola took the place of the departed Soviet specialists and Cuban troops and fought against the forces of UNITA? Former fighters of the Special Forces of South Africa on Soviet technology fought on the side of the MPLA.

[Self]

But Assad does mercenaries help? Official operation agreed with the government. This, as it were, is not even near at all.

[rocket757]

Now they don’t even call it a perversion, the yellow-brothers are certainly ..... and in our opinion this is nonsense without a hint of conscience.
For example, to assume that someone who can pay may have mercenaries from all over the world ... this is obvious. It's absurd to just bind this brotherhood to someone specifically. "Gentlemen of Fortune" without family, without a tribe.

[APASUS]

As I understand it, to photograph everything that is happening on the cell phone and put it out, the battery is dead?
While there’s no reason to even discuss, these are more rumors, not news

[ltc35]

Rumors are really not worth discussing. The truth is likely to be perverted exactly the opposite. But the mercenaries, they are mercenaries in Africa. By signing a contract, they are well aware that they are playing roulette. Sign voluntarily for one reason or another.

[Thrifty]

It's time for our competent authorities to ask all these liberal-lying media for a lie, and put them in their place, in sunny Magadan, let them pick up the taiga, and "mold a hunchback" to bears with rods. ..

[Nycomed]

"General Khalifa Haftar."
"Here's your grandmother and St. George's Day", really demoted? Who? This "outstanding" military leader has just begun to mark you as generalissimo ...

[faterdom]

Are you, Ivan Golubon, or whatever it is ... Don’t entrust Golunov from Medusa? Because of him, the Kremlin, frightened by the pension reform, dismisses the generals in batches, but you all don’t believe it!
Medusa can’t lie, look at least Khodorkovsky’s question, didn’t they throw him away for exemplary behavior?

[Alien From]

They put a jellyfish in one place, so that it stings harder !!!!

[100502]

Yes, at least 1000 hirelings were rolled out, there people were hired to kill for money, they became fertilizer, what's the problem? Hired killers feel sorry?

[kriwo.alek]

Yes, mercenaries, yes, they are fighting. But do not forget that they are Russian people and are fighting on the side of Russia.

[100502]

Are you so naive, are you an elf?

[kriwo.alek]

Still only some "jellyfish" there were not enough. They beat, beat and will beat both terrorists and fascists. Fakes were, are and will be. You just need to know who HU is.

[Self]

Information for consideration.
In Kazakhstan, Meduza is officially listed as a resource containing signs of extremism, and access to the site is completely blocked in the country. What prevents the Russians from doing the same is a mystery.

[Klingon]

Quote: 210ox

I wonder if there is an article in the Criminal Code for the distribution of fakes? Fine for the first time, that would not seem honey. For the second time, row snow. To Siberia. There are many.

Germany recently passed a law stipulating responsibility from administrative for an admissible harmless fake (with a large monetary fine in the appendage) to criminal if the fake for example is related to terrorism

[sgapich]

Quote: Tersky

Quote: 210ox

I wonder if there is an article in the Criminal Code for the distribution of fakes?

Of course I have,

Criminal Code Article 128.1. h 2. Defamation contained in a public speech, a publicly displayed work or the media, -
is punished with a fine of up to one million rubles or in the amount of the salary or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to one year, or compulsory work for a period of up to two hundred and forty hours.

And what is the penalty of 1 lemon for the same "Medusa"? These grand-eaters can be frightened only by a real term in a labor "dispensary" specializing in a forest-feller.

Unfortunately, this same "jellyfish" will be difficult to prosecute according to Russian law - it is registered in Latvia, the editorial office is located in Riga. The notorious Vanya Golunov, caught with drugs, from the same office.

[Trigger-Happy]

Quote: MainBeam

Found an example of how the news spins.

This comrade is mostly talking nonsense about raising a wave of patriotism, he lives in a parallel reality. He needs to talk to people in small towns, villages and villages, they would tell him about patriotism in detail. Yes, even pensioners - those are still patriots, have plowed for more than 40 years - by 11 tons. communal pensions 5-6 tons. enjoy! Against this background, Putin's patriotic propagandists with villas in Italy, real estate in England, etc. look especially cynical. Dushenov is just another harmless clown who has occupied his niche. And the truth is somewhere in the middle, some say 2, others 102, this is all because the official authorities do not say anything, so everyone is practicing math. Videos and articles with real participants in those events (konako) appeared on the network, based on their data, it can be concluded that the number of deaths was from 10 to 20. So with Libya, I think there is no smoke without fire, but the number, but what the hell is the difference. .... mercenaries who consider them, willing to risk over 240, there will always be, just not everyone understands that high command positions in modern Russia go not to those who are smart and studied well in academies, but to those who "stood by" at the right time and in the right place. Answer yourself, can such people command competently?, ...... I don’t think so ..... By the way, in the subject, Mr. "I don’t think ..." was epic on the air when, when trying to refute the presence of Wagnerians in Africa, he showed a leaflet with the commandments of a soldier on a letterhead with a Wagnerian print.