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In the United States called the still non-existent Russian bomber the most dangerous

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Although PAK DA is still under development, it will undoubtedly become Russia's most deadly bomber. This is written in the American media.




Perspective aviation the long-range aviation complex, also known as PAK DA, has not yet taken off into the air, already causes serious concern of Western analysts. A number of them consider it in advance as the most dangerous bomber in the ranks of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

National Interest has published the top 4 strategic bombers in Russia. In addition to the Tu-22М, Tu-95 and Tu-160 actually in service, the publication included in its review PAK YES.

The National Interest emphasizes that the promising "strategist" should replace both the supersonic Tu-160 bomber and the earlier Tu-95. Experts of the publication describe the promising new product as a stealth new generation bomber, similar to the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit. Like the B-2, PAK DA is likely to have a “flying wing” design, although this is known only from promotional materials.

Currently, the car does not have known prototypes. The publication notes that if it was successfully born, this aircraft "will become the first truly Russian bomber, and not just another machine with an outdated Soviet design or its modernization."

В article it is noted that the first flight of the prototype PAK YES was transferred from 2019 to 2021-2023.

Therefore, most likely, some time will pass before we have any photos or more specific information about the first real Russian invisible bomber.

- complains the author of the note, adding that if the Russian military история something can teach us, is that the Tu-22M, Tu-95 and Tu-160 are likely to be operated and modernized for many years to come.

When PAK DA begins to function, this will lead to the emergence of an “important arrow in the quiver of Russia” - a theoretically extremely combat-ready invisible bomber. Nevertheless, it is not yet known whether the complex will be affordable (for mass rearmament).

- write in the USA
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  1. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 5 October 2019 15: 00
    +4
    See the gopher? ... But he is!
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 5 October 2019 15: 03
      +5
      "If someone who does not yet exist is called the most dangerous, then what will they say (how terrified) about something that has not yet been invented?" - V.V. Putin (Peref.)
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 5 October 2019 15: 08
        +5
        Our GDP can already be outlined. It is a pity that he does not swear .. On an urgent, ,, pearl ,, commander memorized by heart .-)
        1. venik
          venik 5 October 2019 21: 57
          +5
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          It is a pity that he does not swear .. On an urgent, ,, pearl ,, commander memorized by heart .-)

          =========
          What's that !! There was only one warrant officer in our radio engineering company. Everyone called him "behind his back" a "chess player" ..... Not because he played chess well (in my opinion, he had no idea WHAT it was) .... He just had "that not a step - then mate "...." Evil tongues "claimed that he could set the task to the fighters without using ANY" literary "word!
          I still can’t understand: HOW did he communicate with his family at home ?? request
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 5 October 2019 16: 51
      -2
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      See the gopher? ... But he is!
      Therefore, diapers, diapers and .... but it will not be enough. feel They loot beat on the same?
  2. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 5 October 2019 15: 06
    +8
    Not an article, but a set of platitudes. And this dull "Top-4" --- stupidly listed all the bombers, here's the "Top" for you ... fellow )))
    But I liked this expression ---
    "An important arrow in the quiver of Russia"
    ... Directly not experts, but poets work in this our "NI" and)))
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 16: 43
      +6
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      "An important arrow in the quiver of Russia"
      ... Directly not experts, but poets work in this our "NI" and)))

      To begin with, this mattress iksperdy stated. hi
      But I didn’t mean that: these mattress bogeys of everyone resemble medieval horror stories with dragons and witches. Explain your opinion?
      1. Leopold
        Leopold 5 October 2019 19: 29
        +4
        Pash hi And who can you shoot? My beloved women brought me today, can I shoot?
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 20: 16
          +4
          Shoot boldly at those who try to drink your blood. wink
          In general, look for a way of reconciliation with your women. good
          1. Leopold
            Leopold 5 October 2019 20: 24
            +3
            The way of a warrior is not to argue with a woman beloved and extinguish enemies without mercy. If you pierce in one way or another, there is no escaping trouble.
            Only the snake can drink the blood of a snake. What she does safely and does over 30 years. And as soon as it doesn’t recover, do we have a different Rhesus? request
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 20: 30
              +4
              Quote: Leopold
              The Way of the Warrior

              1. Leopold
                Leopold 5 October 2019 20: 35
                +3
                Pasha, each warrior has his own BEACH. Yours is looking for and waiting for you, friend. She will find you. Believe it! yes
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 20: 42
                  +4
                  Leo, it’s not Bereginya that has been waiting for me for a long time, but the Valkyrie. soldier
                  And it's not about that. soldier
                  1. Leopold
                    Leopold 5 October 2019 20: 49
                    +3
                    No Hunter, you're wrong. The Valkyries will wait, you were destined for another. I am not a hypocrite, and I think differently. You must do something useful to this world, only then you will gain freedom. Pasha, I'm sorry for the pathos. crying
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 20: 54
                      +4
                      Let life itself decide to whom and what I owe. I knowing that I definitely owed nothing to my own .... And if I am guilty: I am ready to accept all claims. soldier
                      1. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 21: 00
                        +4
                        The political department should be interested in you, this is not a diocese in May - to wipe away tears.
                      2. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 21: 02
                        +5
                        Tears ??? It was you who addressed the wrong address. soldier
                      3. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 21: 07
                        +3
                        Well, at least so, and then it's good. Let the political leaders cry. wink
              2. Leopold
                Leopold 5 October 2019 20: 43
                +3
                But when she finds you, then you will understand that it would be better if I was anywhere but "Honey, run for groceries, fix the tap, pay the rent, sort it out with your neighbor, etc., etc." The stick always has two ends.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 20: 46
                  +4
                  Unrealistic condition: I'm not that eccentric that you can shoot without question.
                  1. Leopold
                    Leopold 5 October 2019 20: 53
                    +3
                    Intelligence, what the ... ???. Shoot first, questions later. The fulfillment of the combat mission and life depend on this. What am I talking about? You are so ... yes
                    1. bouncyhunter
                      bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 20: 59
                      +3
                      Until I see confirmation from the higher command - I will not shoot. Give carte blanche or salvoconducto - wait for the mass death of cattle. bully
                      1. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 21: 05
                        +3
                        And if there is no connection? So will you hope for a superior? Act on the situation - not what?
                      2. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 21: 13
                        +3
                        Only if the order clearly stipulates independent actions in the absence of communication with the CP. wink
                      3. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 21: 16
                        +4
                        And if not agreed and the radio was broken by an enemy bullet? Do you need to complete the task or what?
                      4. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 21: 18
                        +3
                        Performing a combat mission is sacred! soldier I have nothing more to add.
                      5. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 21: 22
                        +3
                        BO from !. This battalion commander told you, I confirm that he is right. And in general, you are the commander of a reconnaissance group - you make decisions. I, as a foreman, will defend the decisions and stop the encroachments. So it will be according to the charter.
                      6. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 21: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: Leopold
                        So it will be according to the charter.

                        Not everything is always in accordance with the charter - many here will confirm. The charter is one thing, its own Code of Honor is completely different. soldier
                      7. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 21: 30
                        +2
                        Do you want to challenge the Charter? Yes, and he does not reread the Code of Honor. No.
                      8. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 21: 34
                        +2
                        Do not fall ... I am always on guard of my own - you know. I meant the combined-arms charters. soldier
                      9. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 21: 47
                        +3
                        And how does one interfere with the other ?. I didn’t notice that there were violations. Neither there nor there. Everything corresponds to each other. Pash, are you involved in the writing of Army Regulations?
                      10. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 22: 06
                        +2
                        Nikoy edge, friend!
                      11. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 22: 10
                        +3
                        It’s a pity you could make a lot of useful things there.
                      12. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 22: 15
                        +3
                        I'm not talking about staff work - it's not mine.
                        I would have a sword and a horse, but to the line of fire. And palace intrigues are not about me.
                      13. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 22: 17
                        +3
                        Pasha, do not be shy. One foreman from the front line of five staff colonels will bewildered. yes
                      14. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 22: 20
                        +3
                        Quote: Leopold
                        One foreman with advanced five colonels of staff will stump

                        In tactical terms - easy. And in the strategy? I am against them like a mouse against a crowd of cats. soldier
                      15. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 22: 28
                        +3
                        You do not imagine a crowd of cats, but a herd of elephants. Do you feel the difference?
                      16. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 5 October 2019 22: 32
                        +3
                        My friend, I do not have an officer education for planning operations. Because they are strategists, and I am a tactician. feel
                      17. Leopold
                        Leopold 5 October 2019 22: 43
                        +3
                        Here you are mistaken. Not every officer in the strategist gets out, mostly tactics. And here you are like a fish in water. Moreover, with skills and with reference to the terrain. You are an invaluable source of information about the enemy for them. Without this, they will not draw up any operational plan.
    2. kit88
      kit88 5 October 2019 18: 11
      +5
      this dull "Top 4" --- stupidly listed all the bombers, here is the "Top"

      Yeah. Our "partners" love loud names.
      If on some zanyukh ranch two drunken cowboys argue who will spit next, then tomorrow the "world" press will write that: "In one of the American cities the World Spitting Championship was held. The winner was an American ...."
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 5 October 2019 21: 15
      -1
      I liked the photo: how I climbed into the cockpit of an Il-14 or An-12, there is such a RECOGNIZED chronometer - it was exactly the same in the Second World War and every pilot (transporter or bomber) considered it an honor to have at home exactly the same (but not the one that got the outer ring) !!!
  3. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 5 October 2019 15: 06
    0
    There was a period when Russia was not afraid of the real, and now they are afraid of the virtual, are we recovering? I hope so! better let them be afraid!
  4. eagle owl
    eagle owl 5 October 2019 15: 18
    -2
    Of course the most dangerous. China still does not have enough practice, they are designing worse, and the United States can’t do nichrome by hand - therefore, Russia will be the strongest
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 5 October 2019 15: 25
      +1
      Money begs for the American military-industrial complex. Here and try to justify the threat.
      Although the plane should turn out quite yourself.
      "Product 80" is a "flying wing" with a takeoff weight of 145 tons and a payload of 30 tons. PAK DA is almost two times lighter than the Tu-160 and is between the Tu-22M3 and Tu-95MS in weight. Tu-160 weighs 275 tons, Tu-95MS - 185 tons and Tu-22M3 weighs 124 tons. The commander-in-chief of the Long-Range Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces Anatoly Yakovlev said that the PAK DA will be an aircraft created according to the "flying wing" scheme with a subsonic speed and a range of 15000 km without refueling. The aircraft will be equipped with two 23-tonne RF Product engines, based on the NK-32-02 engine (Product R). The UEC-Kuznetsov company started its development in December 2014.

      https://vpk.name/news/206344_para_slov_o_proekte_perspektivnogo_bombardirovshika_pak_da.html
  5. Govorun
    Govorun 5 October 2019 15: 29
    0
    In the United States called the still non-existent Russian bomber the most dangerous
    OOOO ... we still have so much that doesn’t exist that we’ll get tired of changing our pants in the USA ...
  6. Klingon
    Klingon 5 October 2019 16: 00
    +3
    Quote: Uhu
    Of course the most dangerous. China still does not have enough practice, they are designing worse, and the United States can’t do nichrome by hand - therefore, Russia will be the strongest

    China still flies on a copy of the Tu-16
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 5 October 2019 18: 22
      0
      Quote: Klingon
      China still flies on a copy of the Tu-16

      Xian H-6K is far from a copy. From the Tu-16 there was only a glider, and even then not completely. All filling, including engines, is different.
      http://www.take-off.ru/item/2248-n-6k-vershina-razvitiya-tu-16
  7. Berkut24
    Berkut24 5 October 2019 16: 04
    +1
    The National Interest emphasizes that the promising “strategist” should replace both the supersonic Tu-160 bomber and the earlier Tu-95

    Maybe for the Americans this will be news, but the state program includes not only modernization, but also the purchase of new Tu-160s. So the Tu-160 will remain and even multiply, but the 95th and 22m will really be replaced.
    In fact, PAK-DA is not a replacement for the 160th because PAK-DA will be more likely, if not subsonic, then close to the sound. Those. he will not have such efficiency in occupying the combat patrol area as in the 160th, at which the speed reaches 2230 km / h. And their tasks, apparently, will be somewhat different. The absence of stealth technology elements in 160 implies striking from outside the range of air defense systems and enemy aircraft. And if such appears on the horizon, the speed of the bomber allows him to escape from the pursuit in a safe area. The obligation of stealth technology for PAK-DA hints at the possibility of a closer approach to the enemy.
  8. ender
    ender 5 October 2019 16: 39
    +3
    If the title contains the phrases: "They named it in the United States" or "they write in the American media" or "according to Western analysts / experts" - you can be sure that the National Interest is with us again.
    By the way, veterans today played this role
  9. Karabas
    Karabas 5 October 2019 16: 58
    -1
    Like the B-2, PAK DA is likely to have a “flying wing” design, although this is known only from promotional materials.

    Actually, there are no other optimal options.
  10. Ali Kokand
    Ali Kokand 5 October 2019 17: 06
    0
    If a glider, a flying wing, then a subsonic bomber, well, some captain will say obvious. After all, not all specialists and flyers are on the site. The main thing that the partners saw there, the plane is inconspicuous, long-range, and it will certainly be cheaper than spirit. And pambam .. carrier of all these new cruise and hypersonic missiles. And this is serious, very .. And there they are already scratching turnips .. I don’t really want to get an answer?
  11. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 5 October 2019 17: 07
    0
    ... the sinner is afraid of the unknown ..)))
  12. Amateur
    Amateur 5 October 2019 17: 21
    -1

    And

    Creepy Russians. Ooooooo
  13. vadivm59
    vadivm59 5 October 2019 17: 25
    0
    the story is one to one with that of the T-14. how many articles there were !!! how many drawings !!! how many "copies" about its appearance were broken and so on. and the hell who guessed what. some kind of "ugly duckling" came out with a freak tower.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 5 October 2019 17: 54
      +1
      Quote: vadivm59
      the story is one to one with that of the T-14. how many articles there were !!! how many drawings !!! how many "copies" of its appearance were broken, etc. what. some kind of "ugly duckling" came out with an ugly tower.

      Are you from the creative workshop? Artist, esthetician, literary critic?
      1. vadivm59
        vadivm59 5 October 2019 17: 56
        0
        I'm just an experienced reader. Do you really like "armata"? Talk about how much blah-blah-blah about what has not yet been seen and no one has seen.
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 5 October 2019 18: 48
          +1
          about what is not yet and no one has seen.

          I mean, no one saw? For more than a year, the T-14 has been being finalized and tested. The T-14 has been participating in the Parades on Red Square since 2015. And you say that the T-14 is a myth.
          1. vadivm59
            vadivm59 5 October 2019 18: 54
            0
            Yes, I’m not talking about the T-14, that it wasn’t seen. And that the story is repeating. PAK YES does not exist yet, all sorts of paper studies are still underway, and talk about it is a dime a dozen, and drawings and opinions are already being revealed. ? PAK YES not yet !!! long ago, the story began with the T-14. THAT I AM ABOUT WHAT.
    2. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 5 October 2019 17: 57
      -2
      Quote: vadivm59
      the story is one to one with that of the T-14. how many articles there were !!! how many drawings !!! how many "copies" about its appearance were broken and so on. and the hell who guessed what. some kind of "ugly duckling" came out with a freak tower.

      Strongly disagree. The result was a beautiful and futuristic tank.
      Photo T-14 here.
      https://w-dog.ru/wallpaper/armata-t-14-boevoj-tank-bronetexnika-krasnaya-ploshhad/id/276463/
  14. Tomich3
    Tomich3 5 October 2019 19: 22
    0
    It would be logical to make it unmanned ..
    1. mrNRGY
      mrNRGY 5 October 2019 19: 45
      0
      In the "military acceptance" there was a mention of this, that such an option was supposedly incorporated into the design of the tank.
  15. Lexus
    Lexus 5 October 2019 20: 30
    -6
    It was the time when Soviet bombers constantly carried combat patrols over the North Atlantic. It was called round the corner flight. Every evening, a pair of aircraft with ammunition took off from the airfield at exactly 22.00, flew north, refueled in the air, skirted Scandinavia and was on duty somewhere in the area ... At the same time, other aircraft (not all of them, according to standards) were fully fueled at the airbase. , special fluids, with heated systems and engines, also with a suspended ammo, with crews and technical personnel within walking distance. In such a way that in the event of a nuclear strike, they could fly out to complete the task before the arrival of the warhead of enemy missiles - in less than half an hour. Special ammunition was stored and served directly at the base.
    So why am I doing this? In order for strategic aviation to be of any use in global confrontation, there must be a sufficient number of modern bombers, tanker aircraft, warheads and huge funds to be able to use them for their intended purpose. This is the only way they can threaten the aggressor. Otherwise, these are costly show-off, which can only periodically scare / bomb a obviously weaker enemy, because only preparing a "cold" aircraft for takeoff can take several hours, and delivery and installation of special ammunition from the nearest special storage facility for nuclear warheads can take several days ...
  16. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 6 October 2019 05: 34
    +1
    Fear Danians bringing gifts ... do not trust the praise of the enemy who praises your weapons!
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 6 October 2019 06: 11
      +3
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      do not trust the praise of the enemy who praises your weapons!

      Verily, Nikolaevich, my respect! soldier drinks
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 6 October 2019 07: 40
        +2
        Have a nice one you too ! wink Glad to hear you" ! yes "Strange" guys in the States live ... with a Fendibober (!) ..., then they "hayut" Russian weapons, then they praise! From this, and Shoigu, probably, does not sleep! request Everything thinks: what to believe? what
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 6 October 2019 12: 39
          +3
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Everything thinks: what to believe?

          That's why he and the drug commander to think. wink
  17. aszzz888
    aszzz888 6 October 2019 07: 08
    +1
    Although PAK DA is still under development, it is undoubtedly will become the deadliest bomber in Russia.

    No, it will deliver Coca-Cola)) laughing ! Saying S.V. Lavrov will not die.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 6 October 2019 12: 41
      +2
      Seryoga, salute! soldier
      Quote: aszzz888
      Saying S.V. Lavrov will not die

      I subscribe! Dofiga mattresses are invented. yes
  18. NF68
    NF68 6 October 2019 14: 47
    0
    Are you running Shura ahead of the engine?