Russia will finance the modernization of the Armed Forces of Abkhazia

Russia intends to finance the modernization of the armed forces of the Republic of Abkhazia. Such an order was given today by the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin. It is available on the legal information portal.

Abkhaz cadets of Russian military universities

Earlier, this kind of proposal came from the Cabinet of Ministers of the Russian Federation.

From the material:

To accept the proposal of the Government of the Russian Federation to sign the Agreement between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Abkhazia on financing the costs of modernizing the Armed Forces of the Republic of Abkhazia.

When will financing for the modernization of Abkhazian armed forces begin?

It is planned that the process will begin after negotiations that are planned to be held by the ministries of defense and foreign affairs of the two countries. Volumes of financing are not called yet.

Today, the personnel of the Abkhaz army is about 2,5 thousand people. Abkhazian Armed Forces - mainly Soviet weapon and technology. The main part has become outdated and requires either replacement, or repair and modernization. Among other equipment in service with the army of the republic - Tanks T-55, armored vehicles BMP-2, BRDM-2, MT-LB, in addition, such weapons as ZSU "Shilka", MLRS "Grad", helicopters Mi-8 and Mi-24, artillery boats "Bumblebee".

Comments

[Corn]

Why is it that Russia should again be invested in foreign armies?
If Abkhazia so needs modernization of its armed forces, then let them buy equipment and weapons (for money).
If they can’t, then let them abandon the army and destroy on their territory and maintain our units.

[GRF]

Brotherly people, these are people in the Russian Federation.

[Corn]

No problem, then let this fraternal people share taxes with Russia fraternally, and keep the business environment open to Russian companies.
Otherwise, the game with one wicket turns out, and it’s somehow not “fraternally”.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Corn

Otherwise, the game with one wicket turns out, and it’s somehow not “fraternally”

There the game at the same gate has been like 25 years.
During this time, normal countries rise from the ruins, and even these holes in the walls did not bother to cover up. Everyone is waiting for someone to do everything for them.
What independence did they shed blood for, is not it clear? Likely to do nothing and sit on the neck of Russia.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: x.andvlad

Quote: Corn

Otherwise, the game with one wicket turns out, and it’s somehow not “fraternally”

There the game at the same gate has been like 25 years.
During this time, normal countries rise from the ruins, and even these holes in the walls did not bother to cover up. Everyone is waiting for someone to do everything for them.
What independence did they shed blood for, is not it clear? Likely to do nothing and sit on the neck of Russia.

People like you, Andrei, will never go volunteering to fight with their brothers shoulder to shoulder. They just push themselves slowly, and are firmly convinced that everyone owes them.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Judging by the cons, they misunderstood me. I wrote about the gunmen - not about Abkhazians, but about people like Andrey. It's to blame, somehow I illiterate built an exposition of my thoughts. Abkhazov, I deeply and sincerely respect. They have something to respect. If only for How they fought with the Georgians in 92-93.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

but about people like Andrey.

Well, I understood you correctly ...
And this does not mean that after the war there is no need to rebuild the country.
I know what I'm saying, because I saw everything with my own eyes. He visited Abkhazia more than once from 2004 to 2015. Every year, many hoped for some kind of progress, but now there is not a foot there.
With their idleness, they substitute Russia. Because of people like them in the world, they begin to say that where Russia comes, there is disruption. And what does Russia have to do with it? She only ensured their independence.

[bayard]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

. Abkhazov, I deeply and sincerely respect. They have something to respect. At least just for the way they fought with the Georgians in 92-93.

They fought and fought with us (in the Donbass). And they fought with the Georgians not so much for independence, but for returning to Russia, because they were part of the Republic of Ingushetia before the Georgians and were never part of their state. And for the right to be with Russia again, they fought in 2008. In addition, 2,5 bayonets are a stripped-down brigade, they need little equipment (by Russian standards), Russia has handed over much more to all Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan for free.
Georgia is now being strenuously pulled into NATO and the rearmament of the "army" of Abkhazia is the strengthening of our southern flank.

[Konatantin 1992]

I will disappoint you ... but you understood correctly ...

[igorbrsv]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

Quote: x.andvlad

Quote: Corn

Otherwise, the game with one wicket turns out, and it’s somehow not “fraternally”

There the game at the same gate has been like 25 years.
During this time, normal countries rise from the ruins, and even these holes in the walls did not bother to cover up. Everyone is waiting for someone to do everything for them.
What independence did they shed blood for, is not it clear? Likely to do nothing and sit on the neck of Russia.

People like you, Andrei, will never go volunteering to fight with their brothers shoulder to shoulder. They just push themselves slowly, and are firmly convinced that everyone owes them.

And I agree with you. In the part about the proponents. Putting your bases everywhere is bad, just waste. Do not set - bad, surround. To give weapons to those who will be on the front flank and will fight with us - it’s bad where the dividends are. What to do

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: x.andvlad

Quote: Corn

Otherwise, the game with one wicket turns out, and it’s somehow not “fraternally”

There the game at the same gate has been like 25 years.
During this time, normal countries rise from the ruins, and even these holes in the walls did not bother to cover up. Everyone is waiting for someone to do everything for them.
What independence did they shed blood for, is not it clear? Likely to do nothing and sit on the neck of Russia.

What independence did they shed blood for, is not it clear?

They fought for independence from the Georgian genocide.

[mikh-korsakov]

I’ll object to Andrey. I will try with numbers. Regarding sitting on the neck in Russia. I'll try from the lamentations to go to the facts. The population of Abkhazia in 1989 (USSR) was 525 thousand people, the population of Abkhazia in 2016 was 243 thousand people. This is the question of holes in the walls - if no one lives in the house so to gloss over. In terms of national composition, it’s generally interesting. Round off. In 1989, there were 93300 Abkhazians, 239000 thousand Georgians, 76000 Russians; in 2016, 124000 Abkhazians, 47000 Georgians, 22000 Russians. This means that many of the remaining Georgians began to call themselves Abkhazians, many Russians left, but very many Georgians fled from Abkhazia - and I am sure - if anything weakens there, they will return with great pleasure and will not show anyone. Then Sochi, including Bocharov’s beloved stream will be accessible to enemy field artillery, and the highlands of Krasnaya Polyana will be a shot from an AK. Do we need this? With South Ossetia, on the contrary, we hold NATO in the face of its allies for belonging. Should they do something wrong - and the only highway connecting Tbilisi with the coast is in our hands. Including the gas pipeline from Baku, by the way. That is not so simple.

[garri-lin]

Armenians forgot. And cut Georgians for 16 years at times.

[Leeds]

AbkhazTsy)))
Brow, the gas pipeline from Baku does not pass through the territory of South Ossetia, what are you going to block there? And you can bomb from gas pipelines, which are now all the same in 20 km from South Ossetia and in 2000.

[x.andvlad]

Quote: mikh-korsakov

if anything weakens there, they will return with great pleasure and will not seem to anyone.

Dear, I’m not talking about the need to weaken anything. And what distance is located, I am in the know. I say that in Abkhazia everything should not be kept only at the expense of the Russian Federation. And the fact that the country lies in ruins 25 years after the war is a shame and nonsense. If you fought, shed blood, then after that you need to live humanly. If no one lives in the house - this is one question and there may be a nefig to restore (although the issue is very controversial). And the flooded pedestrian crossings in Sukhum also nafig? And the collapsing ruins of the train stations are also nafig? Have you seen the ruins of military sanatoriums? And the failed sewage system is also apparently nafig ... By the way, the locals in the city do not even bathe, because they know that shit is floating in the water. Who should restore it for them, the left Georgians or Russians?
I understand that this is how you can live in the first 5, well, 10 years after the war. But not 25 years old ?!
During this time, a generation that did not know war has already grown. But apparently it does not even know creation ...

[nesvobodnaja]

It turns out that the leadership of Abkhazia is quite satisfied with such a standard of living ...

[GRF]

No need to distort the meaning of the word brother, it's time to stop calling them anyone. Abkhazians are friendly people, they need help, but if they want to become fraternal, let them enter the Russian Federation.
Brother, you can and for free, a friend - for the money, not a friend for very very big money. And you look our enemy will be simply unprofitable.

[demo]

In the initial period, they wanted to enter.
But who let them in here?
Internet to help you.
Find the statements of Valery Ardzinba.
But politicians in Moscow were frightened of the accusation of annexation.
The same is with South Ossetia.
As long as the "Kremlin prisoners" look with apprehension at Europe and the United States, until then, all Russian policies will go to the detriment of ourselves.

[GRF]

Shy politicians ... heh ...
It is doubly bad that they are afraid of the West, and not of responsibility to their people ... But it will be so, as long as the people choose the people and not the laws that will govern them.

[demo]

People do not choose laws.
Laws are actually being adopted.
But the adopted laws are formed and promoted by our chosen individuals.
So, to myself, and, to you, including, I will answer there is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the mug is crooked!

[GRF]

The person I have chosen, let him write a law (for example, that it is necessary to raise a pension, and explain to me why this is necessary or not), and I myself will decide whether to stop it or not, and so every free citizen of the Russian Federation and if the majority believes that it is necessary tighten your belt and achieve your goal, then so be it.
I do not want to choose a person who "scared" dictates laws contrary to my interests ... (But within the framework of the current system, yes, I have heard about it, I have to)

[demo]

Will you figure it out yourself with the "person" you voted for, or delegate your powers to me?
As soon as we decide on this, we will immediately proceed to discuss what does not suit you!
In that minute.

[GRF]

Yes, there is such a thing, a power of attorney is called.
But why should it mean - making a decision only through an intermediary?

[demo]

So you express disapproval by the steps of those whom you personally elected.
And willingly or not freely address me your questions.
So I thought!
Or maybe a person needs help?
If not, then fire!

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: first from GRF

It is doubly bad that they are afraid of the West, and not of responsibility to their people ... But it will be so, as long as the people choose the people and not the laws that will govern them.

Quote: second from GRF

The person I have chosen, let him write a law (for example, that it is necessary to raise a pension, and explain to me why this is necessary or not), and I myself will decide whether to stop it or not, and so every free citizen of the Russian Federation and if the majority believes that it is necessary tighten your belt and achieve your goal, then so be it.

You are talking in such a peculiar style about the most popular form of government - about referenda. This is the most popular form of government that flourishes in Switzerland. There, over the year, hundreds of referenda are held - of various types and forms: both municipal - very often, and all-Swiss - on major issues and on small ones too. In Russia, however (as in Belarus and Ukraine, legislation has been passed that makes referendums practically impossible. No one in our country, even the most powerful and richest initiative group, can hold a referendum if the government does not want to. Remember the story of the Communist Party’s attempt to hold a referendum and collected a million votes for it. Could not ...

[GRF]

Yes, about them. And in the age of informatization, this can be done smoothly, evolutionarily and conveniently for citizens.
Legislation is a trifle (any bonded contract can be broken, rewritten) compared with what people put up with seeing their opinions allowed to be ignored ... (The referendum on preserving the USSR is a vivid example of this).
Many representatives of the people, even on this site, will argue with foam at the mouth that the people cannot choose according to what laws they live. Smart uncles should write this: Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Putin, Gaidar, Kudrin, Zyuganov, Valuev and others ...
Although changing the country's borders, borrowing foreign debt, and privatizing the public domain is the business of every citizen of the Russian Federation.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: demo

While the "Kremlin prisoners" look cautiously at Europe and the USAuntil then, all the policies of Russia will go to the detriment of ourselves.

And why should the Russian multinational people have to pay for the fears of "Kremlin prisoners"? It is their almost thirty years of sitting that keeps the country in a black body ... I do not even know what such a joyful thing happened in the fourth period. Same...
Why on earth should a poor Russia rejoice at Kremlin sponsorship?

[Nastia makarova]

They are already de facto in Russia, 80% of Russian passports

[Leeds]

Abkhazians do not consider you brother, believe me)

[GRF]

Quote: Leeds

Abkhazians do not consider you brother, believe me)

Raul Dzhumkovich Khadjimba, believe me, I will not name every brother either.
But your people are friendly, I think ...

[nesvobodnaja]

How many "friends" are left of our former brothers who have been helped for decades for free?

[axiles100682]

Everything goes to that. Do not look at the legal side of the issue. Legally, Crimea is not Russian. Look at the facts, but in fact Abkhazia and Ossetia as well as Crimea are subjects of the Russian Federation

[Sergej1972]

Legally, the Crimea is Russian. It is designated in the Constitution of the Russian Federation as two entities - the Republic of Crimea and the city of federal significance Sevastopol. Unlike South Ossetia, the authorities of Abkhazia and Abkhaz politicians constantly insist that they want to be in close friendly relations with Russia, but they do not belong to the Russian Federation are going. That independence is above all to them. In extreme cases, they are ready to become a full third party to the Union State of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation.

[axiles100682]

I did not mean internal Russian jurisprudence, but the so-called international. But neither Crimea, nor Abkhazia and Ossetia are recognized in it and are considered the territories of Ukraine and Georgia. And in principle, they even spit. That's why I say don’t look de jure, look what’s in fact

[nesvobodnaja]

More precisely, a full parasite. )

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: axiles100682

Everything goes to that. Do not look at the legal side of the issue. Legally, Crimea is not Russian. Look at the facts, but in fact Abkhazia and Ossetia as well as Crimea are subjects of the Russian Federation

That's right, Alexander. Except for one - our Crimea - both legally, and in sensations, and in fact. And in general, one would be careful not to say such a thing; for such a public statement, in fact, there is a specific article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

[axiles100682]

I have already explained that I spoke not for domestic Russian jurisprudence, but for the so-called international where Crimea is not considered Russian. I don’t personally care what they have there and how it is considered. But there is how it is.

[Varyag71]

What are they brotherly ?! Lying, arrogant and lazy!

[GRF]

Quote: Varyag71

What are they brotherly ?! Lying, arrogant and lazy!

It is necessary not only to read, but also to understand what I read ....
You’ll look smarter ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: GRF

You’ll look smarter ...

Your mind has already filled both hemispheres. Here they are "brothers":

[GRF]

1) I wrote that the brothers are those who live with me in the same country! And they share with me all the hardships and successes!
Afghanistan fought with the Nazis in the second world? And the Tajiks fought in large numbers and helped with the rear! Just because they were with us in the same country!
2) there are enough nonhumans in any nation, but judging by them all people ...
3) it is impossible to forcibly make anyone close to anyone.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: ROSS 42

Quote: GRF

You’ll look smarter ...

Your mind has already filled both hemispheres. Here they are "brothers":

And what of that? Although you joyfully and readily saw enmity between the Abkhazians and Russians in this video, I didn’t see anything of this here. It only shows how a group of frostbitten people from Abkhazia attacked Russian tourists on the basis of domestic grievances of a major-thug. Where is the enmity of peoples? Are you also frostbitten?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

Where is the enmity of peoples? Are you also frostbitten?

And what does the enmity of peoples have to do with it? Here, just the attitude of "grateful Abkhaz residents" ... You are so wise, you have seen a lot ... Can you imagine a video where "on the basis of everyday grievances, a group of frostbitten Russians attacked the Abkhaz tourists migrants (KVN participants, someone else) "??
Then put your own opinion in ... a purse ...

[76rtbr]

Well, as you go there, you’ll be smarter!

[76rtbr]

brotherly, take off your pink eyes !!

[Adimius38]

this is what such a composition of Russia))) Abkhazia is not recognized in the world. And Russia, although it recognized the independence of Abkhazia, but did not include in its composition)

[musorg]

What wise Trump is talking about!

[axiles100682]

Look wider There is a gradual integration of Abkhazia into the Russian Federation. That's all. From the very moment of gaining independence, they are, as it were, the de facto subjects of the Russian Federation.

[DEDPIHTO]

Quote: axiles100682

Look wider There is a gradual integration of Abkhazia into the Russian Federation. That's all. From the very moment of gaining independence, they are, as it were, the de facto subjects of the Russian Federation.

Yes, look wider, there’s still restoring the entire infrastructure, the locals don’t want to work at all, around the ruin ..

[axiles100682]

Well, it's fixable. As they say, you can’t teach, you don’t want to make

[igor1981]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

Yes, look wider, there’s still restoring the entire infrastructure, the locals don’t want to work at all, around the ruin ..

Something tells me that again, at our expense, they will restore everything there. As for the Abkhazians, this is also the people - arrogant, lazy, ungrateful and aggressive towards Russia. And why the hell did they all give them citizenship right and left?

[x.andvlad]

Quote: axiles100682

See more There is a gradual integration of Abkhazia into the Russian Federation

This is not integration, but the degradation of Abkhazia. There you need to tumble money no less than in the Crimea. Total devastation in the economy plus crime.
And if it becomes part of the Russian Federation, it will be another "present".

[axiles100682]

Walking will overpower the road. And in general, it’s worthless to blame those who themselves are coming to us.

[alexmach]

The most annoying thing is that the same is waiting for Donbas and is already present in Transnistria ....

[Lord of the Sith]

Why is it that Russia should again be invested in foreign armies?

Open your eyes, Ossetia and Abkhazia in fact Russia.

[Sergej1972]

No, the Abkhaz authorities emphasize their independence. It's funny to say, but Abkhazia even has small territorial claims against the Russian Federation in the region of the Krasnodar Territory, several square kilometers ...

[alexmach]

No, Abkhaz authorities emphasize their independence

What is written in a training manual written down from above is emphasized, but in terms of the Abkhaz army, they are definitely not a stranger.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Open your eyes, Ossetia and Abkhazia in fact Russia.

And we did not close them. We have in fact:

The bearer of sovereignty and the only source of power in the Russian Federation is its multinational people.

But in fact:

[Adimius38]

In fact, this is when there will be Russian authorities, Russian laws are in force and on the map Abkhazia will relate to Russian territory))

[Valery Valery]

Quote: Corn

Why is it that Russia should again be invested in foreign armies?
If Abkhazia so needs modernization of its armed forces, then let them buy equipment and weapons (for money).
If they can’t, then let them abandon the army and destroy on their territory and maintain our units.

The ARMY of Abkhazia, in numbers, is one motorized rifle brigade.
Moreover, this army brigade, in the event of a conflict in the Caucasus, will fight on our side.

[Nestorych]

She will only defend her territory!

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Nestorych

She will only defend her territory!

But only on their territory, there are our military bases, in fact, it will fight for us.

[x.andvlad]

Just the opposite: we are for them.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: x.andvlad

Just the opposite: we are for them.

And we are for them, too, just we are with them, if a conflict starts, they will begin to defend their land and everything that is on it turns out and we too, together we will defend this land.

[private person]

Moreover, this army brigade, in the event of a conflict in the Caucasus, will fight on our side.

Fight in the Caucasus with whom? Are you sure of that? It would be nice if it were not against the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Caucasus, like the East, is a delicate matter. Today they are for, and tomorrow who knows for whom.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

And this is a click on the nose of Sakartvelo.

[Chaldon48]

And what do you want our guys to die on the Abkhaz-Georgian border?

[Beby]

Quote: Corn

Why is it that Russia should again be invested in foreign armies?

Maybe it’s all about:

In November 2016, the State Duma ratified an agreement with Abkhazia on a united force grouping. According to this arrangement, the joint Russian-Abkhaz forces should, in the event of a threat or during wartime, become subordinate to the commander appointed by the Russian Ministry of Defense.

https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5d8870659a7947452c119a0d

[Civil]

And what are they in return? There is nothing Russian can do - neither buy real estate, nor work, etc. Let's start on an equal footing.

[Herman 4223]

Abkhazia is our ally and outpost in the South Caucasus. If the next tie-chewing appears, it will pay off with interest. And not all things are measured by money.

[Prisoner]

What kind of sadness is yours, Carl? Or your last name Ordnugnoshvilli?

[Nycomed]

Got it, finally?

[musorg]

So it’s full of money! And then like Georgia full back, and you are the aggressors!

[bessmertniy]

Georgia has no chance there, since it essentially began to genocide Abkhazians and Ossetians. For this in the Caucasus do not forgive.

[kapitan92]

Quote: bessmertniy

Georgia has no chance there, since it essentially began to genocide Abkhazians and Ossetians. For this in the Caucasus do not forgive.

Whether oh! Do you remember Vietnam !? How the Americans "ironed" the population with carpet, but that does not prevent Vietnam from being "friends" with mattresses now.

[bessmertniy]

The Vietnamese have a completely different mentality. In addition, there is no special friendship with the Americans. Just a recognized need - Vietnam has to rely on someone strong in view of the Chinese threat.

[alexmach]

The Vietnamese have a completely different mentality.

So Georgia is not quite USA

[Prisoner]

And where did you get that does not interfere? It interferes and how.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: musorg

So it’s full of money! And then like Georgia full back, and you are the aggressors!

The elderberry garden, and the uncle in Kiev. And in general - Bambarbia Keguda.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

So it’s full of money!

Well, yes, there is one, now we can afford it.

And then like Georgia full back,

They can’t get used to it anymore, they already have experience, if they run they’re afraid, and if they’re afraid, they’re respected.

and you are the aggressors!

This can be said only by a person who desires to be subordinated.

[Fedor Sokolov]

I suppose, in order to deter the Georgian Georgian puppet in the Caucasus, it will be advisable to strengthen the armies of our allies in the region.

[rocket757]

Trying to create a "safety belt" is smart .... it's always expensive!

[Fedor Sokolov]

But the main thing, of course, is that this is justified and our today's ally does not become our tomorrow’s adversary.

[Chaldon48]

No one can ever guarantee this.

[rocket757]

Quote: Fedor Sokolov

But the main thing, of course, is that this is justified and our today's ally does not become our tomorrow’s adversary.

This depends on several factors / circumstances, but most importantly, on ourselves !!! It is necessary to work more carefully and not to blame how much in vain! Those. smart, worthy professionals should deal with such issues!

[Aleksandr67]

90% of citizens of Abkhazia with Russian citizenship do not have the right to defend their country?

[garri-lin]

Sponsoring the army of Abkhazia is absolutely not expensive. There are so many Russian units, and are so armed that there’s enough to reach Tbilisi. Abkhazia a little help with armored vehicles and communications. Artillery in the sense of control nudge. Defend your own air defense outpost of the Krasnodar Territory. It will not be expensive.

[Nestorych]

Among other equipment in the arsenal of the republic’s army are T-55 tanks, BMP-2 armored vehicles, BRDM-2, MT-LB, in addition, such weapons as Shilka ZSU, Grad MLRS, Mi-8 and Mi- helicopters 24, artillery boats "Bumblebee".

If the old is refurbished, "disposed of" similar from the storerooms, then okay, but not new. Moreover, the "proud" Abkhazians throw Russians into the apartments they have bought and do not allow Russian firms to develop the tourism industry; in general, these issues should be linked.

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Nestorych

"proud" Abkhazians throw Russians into purchased apartments

In Abkhazia, as well as in Russia, investigative bodies should deal with this. This is not a matter for negotiations between the two ministries.

Quote: Nestorych

... and they do not allow Russian companies to develop the tourism industry; in general, these issues should be linked.

And here the Abkhazians can be understood very well. If they begin to freely launch "Russian" firms with foreign capital, then they (the Abkhazians) will simply be crushed. Is it worth repeating the sad Russian experience with the launch of Magnets, Pyaterochek, Ashanov, Metro and Ikea into your garden? If they can resist this, then they are great.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

Investigative bodies should deal with this in Abkhazia.

Well, they made fun! After all, this "Abkhaz lawlessness" is happening under the cover of "investigative bodies" of Abkhazia! Here ... "like Southeast Asia"! It has long been known that if in Tai, Cambodia ... (and so on ...) both locals and "foreign tourists" get into a car accident or some kind of "disassembly"; then the "foreign tourist" will certainly be guilty, although 200% will "see" that the "local" is actually to blame!

Quote: Nikolai Fedorov

here the Abkhazians are very understandable. If they begin to freely launch "Russian" firms with foreign capital, they (the Abkhazians) will simply be crushed.

Oh, and you are still a humorist! And whom to "crush"? The situation is ... the same (!) ... "dog in the manger": "I won't, and I won't give it to others!" But if the Russians (although this happens to not only Russians ...) take up the restoration of some "boarding house", they will be given ... they will be allowed to restore it, expand, embellish it ... and then they will be taken away! With the "blessing" of the "investigating authorities"!

[Xenofont]

100% true on the basis of the appointment of the perpetrator. Locals in Tai are inviolable! In Abkhazia, the exact same order is observed.

[Xenofont]

Russia and Abkhazia have a non-transparent border and the leadership of the republic does not want to integrate into our state. The customs there are peculiar and it is beneficial for the locals to portray independence at our expense, providing land for a forward base against NATO on their own land. Attempts to open our business there are completely blocked. In comparison with the North. Ossetia is a "black hole".

[Ehanatone]

"the leadership of the republic is not burning to integrate into our state."
Apparently it’s not you from Moscow officials who like to do something fast, but now sovereignty is hindering such rubbish! ...

[Xenofont]

Start spelling out in plain language. And fewer cliches that peep through the rims.

[Ehanatone]

And what is not clear, look at the Crimea, while appetite is restraining there, but it is already beginning.
Or you are not familiar with the concept of squeezing out, buying up.
And look at the comment above, it’s even more intelligible and transparent.

[Xenofont]

You must understand that there are predators in the world and justice is a relative thing. It’s time to cleanse Crimea from the Krajin legacy along with Aksenov, because corruption is there on old cadres and links with the new center. The people must demand justice. And buying and selling of everything and everything has both positive and negative traits; so the world of capitalism is arranged and we dwell in it.

[Ehanatone]

Well, about the world of capitalism, it’s hard to argue with anything, well, if something aspires to a world without capitalism, but so far this is unrealistic ...
And specifically to Abkhazia, it is very pleasant to be in places where there is no Russian official!
And so their non-alignment course is very useful for tourism.!
But the border is opaque, it is opaque on the Russian side — you have exhausted a hundred times while in line deserving at the Russian checkpoint, and from the Abkhaz side a quick look at your passport and a good trip, but inside there is only a warm, warm welcome and fairly low prices so far.
In Crimea, they have not been low for a long time, well, approximately since that time as a Crimean.
And they look at you like a walking dollar, like everywhere else in Russian resorts.

[Xenofont]

About the attitude to tourists in Abkhazia extremely conflicting. The last time I was there in the late 80s and I can not imagine the current realities.

[axiles100682]

Nevertheless, I think 2.5 thousand army is not so much. And it will be much cheaper to throw something upgraded from the reserves to reflect the first attack of the aggressor. What to keep there is a contingent of our aircraft

[kapitan92]

Quote: axiles100682

.And it will be much cheaper to throw something upgraded from the reserves to reflect the first strike of the aggressor. What to keep there is a contingent of our aircraft

7 The military base in Abkhazia is located in the cities of Gudauta and Ochamchira.
Despite this, help is needed, at the storage bases a lot of things remained from the Soviet heritage.

[Ehanatone]

"How to keep a contingent of our aircraft there"
and toss and contain

[EDWARD]

trust, but verify.

[Livonetc]

Recall the Pankist Gorge of Georgia, this hotbed of terrorism.
Let's look at the joint protection of the Tajik border.
What Russia is doing in Syria now.
If it is possible to move "potential partners" away from their own borders, you need to use it.
The "Big Game" of the 21st century is in full swing.
Russia is once again a serious player in this geopolitical game.
We will not act, others will act.

[Pavel57]

With the movement of Georgia to NATO, the right decision.

[Ros 56]

At the same time, it is necessary to establish Russian missions with Russian soldiers in places visited by our tourists. Something a lot of complaints about the locals began to come, especially against young people.

[demo]

At the same time, it is necessary to establish Russian missions with Russian soldiers in places visited by our tourists.
Aha
And also tank divisions, parts of the airborne forces, to create conditions for basing the ships of the Black Sea Fleet, for patrolling the coastline and all other types of troops.
Give 3 soldiers for one vacationer !.
And who needs such a resort if soldiers with machine guns patrol around the clock.
I remembered my youth (Soviet time !!!!!).
Night, beach, warm Black Sea, no moon - only stars.
Only with the girl they decided to approach the most important thing, as there are six pairs of boots of border guards around the head.
Well, Yoshkin cat, your grandmother!

[Ros 56]

Better boots are the border guards than the sneakers of the local gouges who will put you and your girl in cancer.

[demo]

Honestly, I do not quite understand you?
And if without boots and sneakers?
Or is it not fate?
Must one of the two be present?

[Ros 56]

No, of course, just a lot of complaints on the Internet about the local punks.

[demo]

AND! Got it .....

[Nycomed]

Again there is a reason to "neigh", for our money, let's "neigh"!

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Again there is a reason to "neigh

In this case, the laugh is very bad.

for our money

And for whose else, in fact, these are our citizens, they almost all have our passports. Their army (you can call it that) is directly subordinate to ours, in fact it is one army, under our leadership and submission, as one of our units.

let's "laugh"!

In vain, of course, you’re ironic, and those people in the 90s didn’t laugh, but took machine guns and destroyed militants in that region so that they wouldn’t penetrate deeper into our country and blow up our cities and seize our schools. And now you are laughing at them.

[Ehanatone]

The size of the Armed Forces of Abkhazia and their armament will not cost more than a dinner of some kind of Kremlin official of an average hand ...
so there’s nothing special to discuss here ...

[garri-lin]

And the official that will go to bed hungry?

[Ehanatone]

Damn, yeah, the problem though! : '(

[ASASHOKA]

Well, on the basis of the understanding that (according to the signed agreement), during a military mess in Abkhazia, any problematic situation or an attack on the republic - the commander appointed from Russia becomes the head of the Abkhaz army - then the course is clear. Abkhazia has long been practically the Russian Federation. You read our agreements and treaties with her - and you think that on paper these are still two states?

[shark]

what else are we ready to finance? The army of Abkhazia does not even have the slightest significance at the regional level. So why would we finance it? Is there a lot of money? Tell this to retirees, or teachers, for example. Among other things, we are already familiar with the "friendship" of the Caucasian highlanders. And there is simply no guarantee that the funding will not turn against us. What for? Probably no answer.

[armata_armata]

and the point is not easier to include in the Russian Federation and already spend money on your Air Force?

[Old26]

Quote: x.andvlad

During this time, normal countries rise from the ruins, and even these holes in the walls did not bother to cover up. Everyone is waiting for someone to do everything for them.

It also struck me in 2016. But here they answer approximately the following:
"The position of Abkhazia is not defined. Officially (legally) it is still part of Georgia, although the Abkhaz themselves do not want to be" under Georgia. "But Russia cannot accept it as a member. They start repairing old buildings (with holes, otherwise and ruins in general) no one guarantees that with a change of power in Russia, Abkhazia will not be "surrendered", and the Georgians will not return for their property and demand it back. "
Therefore, sometimes next to the same ruins or artillery fire houses built others. And these are already sometimes curled with ivy (in some places they are closed by a maskset)

Quote: axiles100682

Look wider There is a gradual integration of Abkhazia into the Russian Federation. That's all. From the very moment of gaining independence, they are, as it were, the de facto subjects of the Russian Federation.

The fact that there is a slow, "creeping" integration - you are absolutely right. Maybe in your opinion they are de facto subjects of the Russian Federation, but there are no facts about this. They have their own structures that have nothing to do with similar structures in Russia. Customs, again, does not say that they are de facto not subjects of the Federation. Yes, they have very good relations with the Russians in most cases, but they are in limbo. And Russia does not take them, fearing another round of sanctions (as, by the way, with the DPR-LPR), and they don't want Georgia. And Georgia has no strength to seize Abkhazia
It seems that ours are trying to reduce everything to ensure that Georgia and Ukraine themselves abandon these parts of their territory if they want to be in the EU and NATO.

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Open your eyes, Ossetia and Abkhazia in fact Russia.

We just want to seem that this is Russia. But alas. They have everything of their own. The power structures are their own (it was crazy after they got used to the inscriptions "police" on cars to meet cars with the words "police". The power infrastructure is all its own. Customs too. I don’t know about money, I didn’t come across it, I paid in rubles there. .. In 2011 it was easier for me to call home from Turkey than from Abkhazia. If you want to call, buy a local SIM card. Cellular is exclusively internal.
If it were, at least in fact, Russia, there would not be at least customs ...

Quote: Nestorych

She will only defend her territory!

But we will not have to send our units there if the Abkhazians "keep the front" ...

Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS

But only on their territory, there are our military bases, in fact, it will fight for us.

Base. And not the base. Seventh WB

Quote: Civil

Unread

When was the last time you were there. Three years ago, a local guide mentioned that a lot of real estate was bought by Russians. Something I have not heard, something radically changed

[Ehanatone]

Specifically about Abkhazia, it is very pleasant to be in places where no one has gone before, the paw of a Russian official!
And so their non-alignment course is very useful for tourism.!
But the border is opaque, it is opaque on the Russian side — you have exhausted a hundred times while in the queue you will deserve a Russian checkpoint, and from the Abkhaz side a quick look at your passport and a good journey in any direction, but inside there is only a warm, warm welcome, and rather low ! , prices.
In Crimea, they have not been low for a long time, well, approximately since that time as a Crimean.
And they look at you like a walking dollar, like everywhere else in Russian resorts.

[Ehanatone]

The holes in the walls are now only after Sukhum.
As for the purchase of real estate in Abkhazia, this is quite hemorrhoid, since local laws prohibit the direct sale of the homeland, but it still sells roundabout, and mainly to Russians, but small and very wealthy.
But if it becomes part of the Russian Federation, then thanks to Moscow officials, there, after locusts, even the Abkhazians will have nothing left ...
So do not enter the Abkhaz in Russia for a walk ...

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Base. And not the base. Seventh WB

Yes, there is no base, one peacekeeping, and the other, the usual, regular staff.

[Ki-ki]

I consider you one of the best analysts on the site. But, for real estate bought by Russians, you are mistaken. Take away.

[Prisoner]

And rightly so. They must be supported and not ashamed of this. Pins won’t even feed the Bandervu.

[Nycomed]

Who, ITS?

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Nycomed

Who, ITS?

Those who 08.08.08goda, in revenge with us, shoulder to shoulder, led civilians from the Georgian shelling.

[Kontrik]

Quote: Nycomed

Who, ITS?

Nycomed, it’s not for nothing that they kick you here periodically .. hehe
Well, such a question, there are no Jews there, yet .. But soon they will be!

[Prisoner]

Not yours. (ps "And who, their own?" This text is not short and carries up to a heap of information? Is it an independent site or on a complementary food? This is me to the fact that my answer was called short and not informative.)

[Old26]

Quote: Ehanatone

And the border is opaque, it’s precisely on the Russian side that is opaque - you will die a hundred times while in the queue you deserve at the Russian checkpoint

When we went there, we stood at the checkpoint for almost 4 hours. There is no way out of the territory. No shops, except the toilet

Quote: Ehanatone

and from the Abkhaz side a quick look at the passport and a happy journey in any direction, but inside there is only a warm, warm welcome, and quite low, bye! , prices.

You didn’t get off the bus at all. And passports were not handed over. On the border of the Stavropol Territory and Dagestan, at the post of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, they are even more serious

Quote: Ehanatone

The holes in the walls are now only after Sukhum.

In 2016, we were still in the Gagra region. We then stayed at a hotel in Solnechny, Gagra district. About 10 km from the Psou RF checkpoint

[Gardamir]

I would also like to modernize, for the money of the Kremlin.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Gardamir

I would also like to modernize, for the money of the Kremlin.

Here for this case, there is just that.

[Kontrik]

Quote: Gardamir

I would also like to modernize, for the money of the Kremlin.

No problem, we will send you irrigation ditches to clear and restore sanatoriums in Abkhazia! Earning for retirement will be good and the air is healing hehe

[Prisoner]

State Department dough is not enough?

[Kontrik]

I consider a good investment! Abkhazia is a fertile land, beautiful places and sooner or later it will become part of Russia .. You can’t give it away, but you shouldn’t breed a freebie either.

[Servisinzhener]

Well, as for free. For example, replacing T-55 tanks with T-72B tanks from storage. Which do not need to be produced, they are already there. And they helped and didn't spend too much. Rather, what was spent for the most part was spent at a Russian plant that "brought them back to life." For the most part, Americans do that. and their aid to the same Ukraine does not go there in the form of money. And in the form of weapons, ammunition and communion, as a rule, second-hand from storage for bringing into working order and transportation of which this money goes.

[Adimius38]

The whole value of Abkhazia is only in geopolitical terms, to prevent Nato from the fence of Sochi where Vladimir Vladimirovich likes to relax. It is likely that Georgia will enter NATO and then only the territory of Abkhazia will divide us, where undoubtedly the shock forces of the Russian Armed Forces will immediately be deployed based on some kind of agreement with Abkhazia

[maden.usmanow]

It was always interesting:

The air base in Khmeimim showed exceptional efficiency, and everyone on the site agrees.
But the same ones claim to be mobile floating | Hmeimim | not needed at all!
and that all issues are resolved by missiles

Amazed simply.

[Servisinzhener]

Many here were indignant, but I think in vain. And most likely due to a misunderstanding. With such financing, there is one caveat. I am more than sure that this financing will not be in the form of a transfer to the accounts of Abkhazians. For which they, at their discretion, will buy what they need. And in the form of equipment taken from storage and brought into working condition at Russian factories. And the ammunition for her. Of the new, there may be communications unified with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

[Old26]

Quote: Ki-Ki

For old 26
I consider you one of the best analysts on the site. But, for real estate bought by Russians, you are mistaken. Take away.

Andrew! I repeat what I heard from the guide when we first went to the New Athos Monastery, to the New Athos Caves. It was her words that the Russians were buying real estate. This, I repeat, was in 2016. Since then I have not been there, perhaps in this respect something has changed for the worse ...

[Larisa Voinova]

Both real estate and business are being taken away in Abkhazia. Everyone knows this. People are also being stolen there. Last year they asked for 200 million for a little man from St. Petersburg. And the money was paid. And a few years ago, no money was paid for a married couple from Moscow. Found them killed in the well. In Abkhazia, the population is full of weapons. This is easy to see on Victory Day and New Year. They are firing from machine guns. In Abkhazia, there is a general, not punishable theft. They steal from both their own people and those who come. They steal everything. Even food from refrigerators. Now Putin will throw more weapons.

[Larisa Voinova]

Accidentally missed the letter T in the word is known. I apologize.

[Larisa Voinova]

Has your "best" analyst ever been to Abkhazia?
Once, a child asked me to open the sofa (book) to lie with me. Raised half of the couch and went nuts. He was, to the eyeballs, stuffed with various weapons. She slammed it quickly. Until the child saw. The Abkhaz do not hide the fact that during the war in 1992, Russia supplied weapons and mercenaries. As they themselves say: "Russia should have tested weapons somewhere!" Since the war, Abkhazia has been packed with weapons.

[Nycomed]

Unfortunately, I can’t put +, so I’ll do this: you+!

[Larisa Voinova]

Abkhazia is a territory occupied by Russia. Putin contains this territory. Allocating money annually. He also pays pensions to the residents. I am sure that it is not out of his own pocket, and for this we are respected by the locals. There are Russian military units in Abkhazia. In 2008, when the war with Georgia was started, echelons with equipment and soldiers went through the "independent" Abkhazia towards Georgia.

[Lyapis]

So it's funny to read here disgruntled comments about the fact that we are supposedly feeding someone again. What are you speaking about? Both Abkhazia and South Ossetia have long been essentially separate entities within the "structure" of the Russian Federation (albeit unofficially), autonomous republics, figuratively speaking. And the same Russian troops will be modernizing there, because local formations are even officially under the command of the RF Ministry of Defense. And they live there, by the way, our citizens who pay taxes in the same way as we do.

[vanavatny]

soon in the markets of Abkhazia ...