Chinese armored vehicles left without fuel while trying to get out of the surroundings during exercises

In China, a noteworthy situation has manifested itself during the exercises involving armored vehicles. According to the scenario of the exercises, the armored unit was to break through the line of defense of a conditional enemy, gain a foothold and hold a bridgehead for a further offensive with the arrival of additional forces.

However, something went wrong. According to the Chinese press, several armored vehicles, including Tanks, they could break through the line of defense of a conditional enemy, but the main forces didn’t. As a result, there was an almost stalemate situation when the breakthroughs were actually surrounded. Attempts to break out of the environment were somewhat delayed. Ultimately, this led to the fact that the armored vehicles completely consumed fuel resources. A variant of the stalemate proved to be impossible, in which it was impossible to continue the maneuvers.

To continue the exercises, the command decided to deliver a supply of fuel. At first it was supposed to deliver it on the ground, but for speed they decided to use it aviation. After some time, a helicopter of the Center for the Joint Maintenance of Military Equipment (deployed in Shenyang, Liaoning Province) delivered an external fuel tank.

After refueling armored vehicles, which was "trapped", the exercises continued. As a result, the command considered that “additional actions” had been worked out in this way — to refuel military equipment in the context of military operations. The whole problem is that the fighting at the time of "refueling" during the exercises were suspended. Whether a real adversary will be so humane is a rhetorical question.

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[Black_Vatnik]

As a result, the command considered that “additional actions” had been worked out in this way — to refuel military equipment in the context of military operations.

And if they had shot the entire ammunition before it was supposed to, did the command decide that the guys additionally worked out an attack with a battering ram?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Black_Jacket

And if they and the whole ammunition were shot before they were supposed to,

And if the crew was very tired, would it be changed too?

[Non liberoid Russian]

Do you remember how in a taxi in Besson the Asians at the wheel changed?))))

[lukewarm]

I don’t know about the crew, but the tank would be changed as in biathlon - to serviceable and refueled

[Shurik70]

military operations at the time of "refueling" in the course of the exercises were suspended. Will a real adversary be so humane - a rhetorical question

I recalled an old joke.

An Israeli sabotage group made their way to the Arab object and got caught. All died, one wounded lies, groans. Asks the Arab
- Shoot me.
- I have run out of ammunition.
- Buy from me.

The enemy had to take fuel

[Cananecat]

We recently laughed at the states, how they beat their cars on a throw ... our identity is not better

[Grandfather]

Quote: Canecat

We recently laughed at the states, how they beat their cars on a throw ... our identity is not better

I’ll reveal a terrible secret: on all such exercises, such losses. in all armies, at all times. and we love to laugh like horses over an adversary. (from a neighbor, the cow died)

[svp67]

Quote: Black_Jacket

As a result, the command considered that “additional actions” had been worked out in this way — to refuel military equipment in the context of military operations.

In a real combat situation, the fuel would have to be taken from the enemy, and not wait for "manna from heaven"

[Nycomed]

"Tanks are not afraid of dirt", why talk about the weather?

[energoteknolog]

It was necessary to deliver fuel to the BE-200 site.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: energoteknolog

It was necessary to deliver fuel to the BE-200 site.

Right At night, and then back from the rocket launcher

[Berkut752]

In the Soviet Army, fuel was delivered to tanks and helicopters; in helicopters, there was a tank and refueling equipment.

[loki565]

And how many Mi8s can it carry on external sling? and how many tanks are enough fuel?

[Piramidon]

Quote: loki565

And how many Mi8s can it carry on external sling? and how many tanks are enough fuel?

Probably only to get to the place of deployment.
And there were no "Lukoilovskiye" gas stations along the way? Or expensive?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Piramidon

Or expensive?

Well, who takes a salary for the exercises

[Souchastnik]

The serviceman is obliged to signal 30% d.d.

[sabakina]

Quote: loki565

And how many Mi8s can it carry on external sling? and how many tanks are enough fuel?

I know FIG. Watch from 32:15

[Berkut752]

Quote: loki565

In the Soviet Army, fuel was delivered to tanks and helicopters; in helicopters, there was a tank and refueling equipment.

In the Soviet Army, fuel was delivered to tanks and helicopters; in helicopters, there was a tank and refueling equipment. 4 cars at a time ......

[Starover_Z]

Quote: loki565

And how many Mi8s can it carry on external sling? and how many tanks are enough fuel?

MI-8, I heard when it was used, it can transport up to 4 tons on external sling.

[Evil 55]

It is for this that we need an additional transportable supply of fuel and lubricants .. At what, the brackets on the machines are present, almost the same as on the T-34 ..)) .. Oh, obviously someone from the Chinese headquarters will go to the Chinese Caucasus Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region ...

[Non liberoid Russian]

they don’t need to know, they grabbed the lyuley for the last time in Vietnam and didn’t fight anywhere else

[Vasyan1971]

Circus with horses and helicopters. It is immediately evident - not a "home preparation", but a scenario bug and a real feature.

[Bshkaus]

It happens.
Military affairs in itself is multifaceted, and without ammunition and supplies nowhere.
Take the same long-suffering Ukraine, when the APU in the 14th year attempted to force Mius. The advance detachments have gone far ahead, and the supply has stalled at the crossing and modern history has taken the path that we see now, but who knows how the situation would have developed in those days if the banal crossing had been organized not only promptly, but also competently from a logistic point of view.
Take Syria, so there generally the years went to the deblockade of individual settlements, and the supply of supplies and fuel was carried out with battles.
But what can I say, even in banal strategies like "confrontation" and then the units have not only cartridges that need to be replenished, but also gasoline, which every student knows about.)))

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

In a war, for such a miscalculation, it could have cost several thousand lives of soldiers. In principle, after the analysis of the exercises, the commander and recovery can be given.

[Amateur]

So that's what they teach. From the word "learn".

It's hard to learn - it's easy to fight.
A.V. Suvorov

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Quote: Amateur

So that's what they teach. From the word "learn".

It's hard to learn - it's easy to fight.
A.V. Suvorov

On such exercises, further service is taking shape.

[Nikolaevich I]

And what did Confucius say on this occasion? And by the way, really in the writings of Mao-zedong there was no suitable wise advice of the leader?

[Amurets]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

And what did Confucius say on this occasion?

"The horse is not a motor - it needs care."

[Kontrik]

After refueling the armored vehicles trapped, exercises continued

That is why China is not our enemy .. So far they have no strategic thinking and experience of large-scale military operations

[My doctor]

Quote: Kontrik

That is why China is not our enemy .. So far they have no strategic thinking and experience of large-scale military operations

Well, in the Sino-Vietnamese war they were able to surround the Vietnamese divisions, and holding a reserve in case of war with the USSR.

[Ros 56]

That's for sure. I well remember when the Vietnamese hacked their sides in the last century. Even the T-34 went into battle.

[Nehist]

Is China not an enemy? ... Interestingly, the notes on the composition and operation of the PLA units are still lying about somewhere. This begs the question, why the heck did they hammer us in? The Far East always emphasized precisely the confrontation between China and NATO’s composition and tactics.

[Thrifty]

Here is the problem that you need to constantly pay attention to and draw proper conclusions from Chinese teachings.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Here is the problem that you need to constantly pay attention to

But how, everyone learns from the mistakes of others.

[Lieutenant Colonel of the USSR Air Force in stock]

I suspect that there are our warrant officers in the fuel and lubricants service ... deeply conspiratorial ....

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Lieutenant Colonel of the USSRF Air Force in reserve

I suspect that there are also our ensigns in the fuel and lubricants service ...

More likely from an independent

[Nehist]

How did you get ... And the fact that the warrant officers in the bulk of their techies do not care for you !!! And yes, the ensign in the units have more weight and respect L / C than the officers

[Babermetis]

Great dragon, you see, he has not woken up yet ... he just stretches himself from the bed.

[voyaka uh]

It turned out very realistic.
This is usually the case with deep tank breakthroughs.
Either the shells ran out, or the fuel.
Or the tanks were breaking.
Organizing supply and repair logistics is more difficult than making a breakthrough.

[sabakina]

Alexey, it seems you have read something wrong.

According to the Chinese press, several armored vehicles, including tanks, were able to break through the line of defense of the conditional enemy, but the main forces did not.

The tanks passed, and the plowing was streaking ....

[NKT]

And how deep was he here? And where did the deputy on the rear and his deputy on fuels and lubricants looked?

[voyaka uh]

Here I am about it! The successes of tank operations depend on these deputies.

[novobranets]

Quote: voyaka uh

The successes of tank operations depend on these deputies.

Or failures. Everything needs to be calculated in advance, and not wait until the tanks show the bottom. This helicopter was supposed to appear before the tanks got up. In my opinion, a breakout operation should be considered unsuccessful. Miscalculations are evident.

[Nehist]

Gg any plan looks good until it is executed. All calculations, for example, are wallowing due to banal fog or rain, or a pair of three accidentally caught enemy soldiers who have killed the commander of the operation ...

[Nehist]

Gg, what does the head of the service have to do with it? If the commanders of the infantry units did not provide defense for the breakthrough flanks? I don’t understand you have sands and barrows there ... It’s difficult to organize a united front (from there, by the way, the ears of your chariots grow. Tanks carry infantry with you)

[Monar]

I remembered the film ala the USSR. Rather, an excerpt from it. The plot is about CA. The same teaching. Tanks. Well, the commander (greener only spectrally pure) of the tank slightly reduces the sight adjustment. The gunner first projectiles past the target. It seems that an amendment should be made and credit. But no. Shoots at the same azimuth-miles (sarcasm). The target is worth it. Showdown ... Who knows, recall the title.
So it is here. Overlay (planning or implementation). It must be eliminated. And this is normal. It’s smooth only on paper. And the teachings (humble opinion) did not have to be interrupted.
I won’t be surprised if China has tanker helicopters. What were in the USSR.

[novobranets]

Not a bad movie, by the way. It's called "Attack".

[Monar]

Thank. Only this plot in memory was postponed.

[cat Rusich]

At the end of the film "Attack", the commander of 4 tanks "destroys" (conditionally) 3 operational-tactical missile launchers, stuck at an unprepared crossing

[novobranets]

Quote: cat Rusich

At the end of the film "Attack", the commander of 4 tanks "destroys" (conditionally) 3 operational-tactical missile launchers

I note that the missiles were conditionally nuclear. Timonya orders only to shoot at missiles, not being distracted by the VET, and she deliberately goes to death if it were in a real battle, but she fulfills the task.

[bogart047]

Well, that’s what the teachings are for. We diverge. No one drowned while crossing and landing

[demo]

After refueling the armored vehicles, which was "trapped", the exercises continued. As a result, the command considered that “additional actions” had been worked out in this way — to refuel military equipment in the context of military operations.

When crowded, the Chinese do not offend each other.
Then they rot.

[Tarasios]

Here's what would be purely neighing: what if the Chinese command suddenly found that the soldiers surrounded were sorely lacking in female attention? ;))) Imagine how they would deliver girls by helicopters ... On the external sling

[Rwmos]

That’s what’s said about it - the Chinese media can wear out as much as they like, explaining that their equipment is the best - they haven’t been tested in real combat, and even though the joint is not technical, but organizational, but also an indicator. In close-to-reality actions, the Chinese Armed Forces were without ports, but what will happen in real ones? There the problem will be that it will not be necessary to fight for a couple of days of training. and the repair will become tight

[EXPrompt]

The Chinese were very lucky that the wheels of this armored vehicle did not fall off as a result of the exercises.
There, the quality of technology is on the verge of fan fiction.

[ab2020]

No need to direct so much irony. The issue is not that the tanks were without fuel, but what conclusions will be made after, what measures will be taken.
So let's not rush with caps, it is better to carefully monitor and analyze. China now seems to us like a friend and partner, but there were other times ...

[bang]

Ultimately, this led to the fact that the armored vehicles completely consumed fuel resources. A variant of the stalemate proved to be impossible to continue maneuvering.
It seems that theirs "ours" were supposed to break through the "enemy's" defenses, it didn't work out. But the plan is the victory of "ours". And then, with the last bit of strength, the "Nashinsky" helicopter flew up and away we go ...

[Russian Central Asian]

I am touched by these attempts of our leadership to make friends with China. History teaches only that which teaches nothing. At one time, they made the PRC army from scratch, and they gave us the Damansky in 68. The conflict in the Pamirs, and 90 percent of the weapons with which the spirits killed us in Afghanistan were Chinese-made, and they became friends with the amers. Now here we are also dragging them in tactics and strategy, and they have taken our whole Central Asia and Kazakhstan to their hands, and in the event of our conflict in Europe, they will chop off our entire territory beyond the Urals. Although maybe I am mistaken and give the Chinese our territory beyond the Urals at a reasonable price, this is precisely the cunning strategic plan of our SUPREME COMMANDER. Fuck the Kremlin these territories, because from them only a headache and involuntary foul language. He has already given away Ukraine, he has given away Central Asia. and give everything else. It will leave only Moscow specific princedom + Sochi + Crimea. How much does a person need to calmly meet old age.

[your1970]

Quote: Russian Central Asia

and in the event of our conflict in Europe, they chop off the entire territory beyond the Urals with us.

And then what? Is there apparently a huge supply of food, fuel and lubricants and German highways in addition? How will China feed this army?

[Old Horseradish]

Teach, teach on your own head. They then climb these tanks to the Urals and continue to climb. Maybe they will still crawl to Moscow. Little 41st year? Fools history does not teach anything from the word at all.

[Tomich3]

Who writes about the "Chinese threat"?) Apparently, it's just big Estonia)

[Adimius38]

teach, teach the Chinese, the Chinese are good at learning, as if they didn’t have to flee from them from the Far East to Moscow. The issue of territories is a matter of time.

[xax]

The problem is already over 1000 years old. When the strong Chinese armies left for the Gobi to fight with the nomads and died there because of running out of supplies, they did not meet the enemy in battle.

[Saxahorse]

Quote: xax

The problem is already over 1000 years old.

Why go so far? Vaska Golitsin, on the orders of Tsarina Sophia, twice went to Crimea to fight. Of the 100 thousand army, barely 10 thousand returned, despite the fact that not a single battle was fought. After that, the history of Russia changed radically and Tsarina Sofya was urged to leave. :)

[xax]

Quote: Saxahorse

Vaska Golitsin, on the orders of Tsarina Sophia, twice went to Crimea to fight. Of the 100 thousand army, barely 10 thousand returned, despite the fact that not a single battle was fought.

Adherents of an alternative history are usually far-sighted people, and therefore:
1. Believe in fairy tales.
2. Do not be shy to retell them.

From wikipedia on those events:

While Golitsyn’s army was being transported to the right bank of the Dnieper, the Crimean khan decided to take advantage of the division of the Russian army and at night attacked Kosagov’s troops left on the left bank of the river. The Tatars captured part of the convoy and stole the herds of horses, but their attack on the army camp was repelled. Moreover, the horse and foot soldiers of Neplyuev arrived in time to help Kosagov, quickly taking the Tatars to flight and having recaptured part of the seized property from them. The Tatar cavalry reappeared the next day, but did not dare to attack the Russian camp again, limiting itself to attacks on foragers and the theft of several small herds of horses [3].

At the end of the campaign, troops of 5 and 7 thousand were left on the southern borders of the state "to protect the Great Russian and Little Russian cities." For the next trip to the Crimea, it was decided to build fortifications on the Samarka river, for which several regiments were left there

On the right flank was defeated the Turkish vassal, the Budzhak horde. General Grigory Kosagov took Ochakov fortress and some other fortresses and went to the Black Sea, where he began the construction of fortresses. [6] West European newspapers enthusiastically wrote about Kosagov's successes, and the Turks, fearing the attack of Constantinople, pulled armies and navy to him

Collisions were. Successes were. About 10 thousand returnees - nonsense, because only to cover the border the outgoing army left a larger number of troops.

[Chaldon48]

At war it concludes a truce, such as in our vehicles the fuel ran out, until we refuel each other, we will not kill, somehow.

[Jurkovs]

As we have in the 41st. There are many tanks, and there are few tankers.

[yehat]

Quote: Dead Day

I’ll reveal a terrible secret: on all such exercises, such losses. in all armies, at all times.

Yes??? there is a chronicle of the largest teachings of the Warsaw Pact west81 with large-scale landings
something there is not noticeably dropping without parachutes of armored vehicles.
maybe because the BMD was thrown along with the crew and before that there was enough training?

[Frozenchrome]

With such warriors, little shines for China in a real battle, except that they can only throw their hats, in view of the large number.

[Troll]

Any battle goes according to plan only before it begins. And the teachings once again confirmed this :)