F-35 proved to be during the "carpet" bombing

American aviation with the participation of the latest F-35 aircraft, it launched a massive attack on Iraqi territory on September 10. High-precision ammunition proved to be excellent during this "carpet" bombardment, according to The War Zone.

The corresponding video was laid out by the Pentagon. As indicated, the target was the island of Canus, located on the Tigris. 36 tons of bombs were dropped on its surface in an attempt to “deny ISIS [banned in the Russian Federation] the ability to hide in dense vegetation”. The island, as explained, was a transit point for the militants.

At the same time, it is not clear exactly what goals this operation achieved, in which F-15E and F-35 took part.

Following the airstrikes, a ground clearance operation was carried out by the 2th Iraqi MTR battalion

- noted in the press release.

According to The War Zone, the video presented by the military department contains signs of the use of high-precision weapons: the ammunition "lies" at an almost equal distance from each other. At the same time, GBU-31 / B guided bombs were seen in the frames, each of which weighs approximately 900 kg. That is, approximately 40 of this type of ammunition was dropped.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

Polygon? 40 pcs. 900 kg of precision munitions to destroy bushes on an island in the middle of a river?
Do they have simple "cast iron"? Well, the rich ... Well, the bad ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Do they have simple "cast iron"? Well, the rich ... Well, the bad ...

There is a mulcher for clearing:

But ... It's not scary ...

[boriz]

It is good to cut the bushes with such a brush cutter. And how many grandmas will you cut them? But the most expensive ammunition and aircraft. What ammunition dumped there is another big question.
So shock guys dough sawed.

[Shurik70]

What a wonderful combination of words.
"Precision ammunition ... carpet bombing ... F-35 ... on dense vegetation"
That's really really "cut the dough"

[Labrador]

And the ammunition, the march, is not so high-precision, since the bombing is carpet.

[Spambox]

900 kg, you don’t need to throw it exactly, there’s no difference there will fly to you or your neighbor, everyone’s caput)

[self-propelled]

well, so it is easy for me to hit defenseless (but the principles do not allow). and here the guys are unprincipled ..

[zenion]

Did not hit, but tried very hard. What there could do the F-35 with twenty grenades in the belly, no one knows.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Do they have simple "cast iron"? Well, the rich ... Well, the bad ...

Ours, too, not so long ago, ISIS sheds crushed with the help of "Caliber" and Tu-160. Well, at least on someone new military stuff-stupid to test.

[PalSanych]

But precision carpet bombing? This is something new on the farm. By the type of high-quality shooting from a machine gun 'Volcano')))

[Kalmar]

Quote: PalSanych

But precision carpet bombing? This is something new on the collective farm.

Watch the video and the idea makes sense. Suppose you need to iron a certain area of ​​arbitrary shape (in this case, an island) with a minimum amount of ammunition, without spilling anything past. For greater clarity, you can imagine that you need to erase a couple of quarters of a certain city from the ground in which the enemies are seated, without hooking on the adjacent residential areas.

Ideally, it is necessary to ammunition available strictly within this area uniformly with a given interval (depending on the radius of destruction). Obviously, with uncontrolled bombs, this will not work out so accurately: it will be somewhere empty, somewhere dense, somewhere past. But the managed ones will clearly and accurately cover everything that is needed without missing a speck and not hooking the surroundings.

[Alexey Almaatinets]

The Russian Federation does not use “stealth” for such areal purposes, but the MLRS: cheap and cheerful! They would be treated with “sunflowers”, and no participation of local MTR would be needed!

[Kalmar]

Quote: Alexey Almaatinets

The Russian Federation does not use “stealth” for such areal purposes, but the MLRS: cheap and cheerful!

1. MLRS still need to be delivered to the required distance, which is not always easy / possible. Plus it's a long time.
2. MLRS will not be able to cover only the required area (like this island), something in the neighborhood will still hook.

[Shahno]

With unsaturated defense? F 35 is not a bomber. This is true. At least not for these purposes. It would be more serious than the goal, you know. Yes 35 e is most likely effective in conjunction with a UAV.
PS. On the other hand, training is not bad.

[Kalmar]

Quote: Shahno

With unsaturated defense?

Well, it’s clear that the good old A-10s would have won back no worse. But you also want to run in new toys.

Quote: Shahno

F 35 is not a bomber.

Strike aircraft. Sometimes a fighter, sometimes a bomber. If you don’t have the task of dusting an entire city, the F-35 is a good option, especially if it is already nearby, and a full-fledged bomb carrier still needs to be distilled from somewhere.

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Polygon? 40 pcs. 900 kg of precision munitions to destroy bushes on an island in the middle of a river?
Do they have simple "cast iron"? Well, the rich ... Well, the bad ...

Most likely the shelf life has expired - they were "disposed of" at the same time conducting exercises in this type of tactical application.

Every little war they have is tied to the time of disposal of Tomahawks - the storage period expires - they shot at the selected "Papuan" which they wanted to punish for their willfulness ...

At the same time, the warehouses were freed from aging weapons and the world was reminded who was "in charge" ...

[olhon]

As I understand it, the island no longer exists))). Where are the Greens?

[boriz]

And the "green" ones are in the pockets of the one who needs it. Sawed, divided ...

[abrakadabre]

Where are the Greens?

Are you talking about money? Or with some little men who pose as fighters for nature?

[zed042]

War Dogs movie. That says it all.
Just spent ammunition, fuel, sorties.

[region58]

Followed the link, looked. Handsomely. But nothing is clear ... Carpet bombing with precision weapons in order to deprive the militants of the opportunity to hide in the bushes? What for... They would have mined remotely and even then ... Or some kind of chemistry ... agent "orange" ... go and find a barrel where, since the days of Vietnam ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: region58

Or some kind of chemistry ... agent "orange" ... go and find a barrel where, from the time of Vietnam ...

Duc ... chemistry (!) ... and the expiration date? and the "delay"? There is also volume-detonating ammunition (ODB) ... and in the "times of Vietnam" the Americans dabbled in napalm! Cheap and cheerful!

[Jack O'Neill]

Duc ... chemistry (!) ... and the expiration date? and the "delay"? There is also volume-detonating ammunition (ODB) ... and in the "times of Vietnam" the Americans dabbled in napalm! Cheap and cheerful!

Napalm in the 80's was banned.
But the tool is very effective, because it sticks to everything, burns well and even oxygen actively burns, replacing it with carbon monoxide.
Vietnamese appreciated!

[vowanof]

White phosphorus is also forbidden, but it didn’t stop Iraq from bombing with these prohibited weapons

[YOUR]

Such a war now. With an airplane worth $ 120 million, a dozen rockets worth $ 1 million each, in a canvas tent worth $ 10.
And cheers the task is completed. And in general, this operation is humanitarian, local stewed fish collected, provided with food for a couple of months

[abrakadabre]

Would mine remotely and business then ...

Or they would arrange mortar training from the other side. There, while the whole island is being seeded with mines, you can train so many mortar calculations.

[fruit_cake]

we spend $ 55 billion to create, produce for 150 million apiece aircraft designed for high-precision strikes and use for carpet bombing

[Paranoid50]

Quote: fruit_cake

designed for precision strikes and used for carpet bombing

Well, if high-precision, then, perhaps, not just with a carpet, but with a pattern ...

[region58]

Quote: Paranoid50

not just with a carpet, but with a pattern ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: fruit_cake

we spend $ 55 billion to create, produce for 150 million apiece aircraft designed for high-precision strikes and use for carpet bombing

Not so easy for carpet bombing, and for carpet bombing with high-precision ammunition!

[E.S.]

Great, just great!
Just a wonderful plane for bombing bushes in the complete absence of not only air defense, but, and, possibly, even the enemy in the bushes!

[loki565]

The explosions lay painfully even, as if they had mined in advance and then exploded

[Antiliberast]

The explosions are painfully flat

And another hit me in the eye, it’s there on the vidyukha Iraqi military, right? So, some thickets of horseradish from behind puddles bomb their land, and they are happy as elephants after bathing, they lived a pancake .... There you need to cry, but it’s better to shoot yourself ...

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Anti-librast

You have to cry there, but it’s better to shoot yourself ...

And why shoot? The Iraqi military, on the contrary, is happy - the war is on, the fighting are dripping, but there is no need to fight: uncles are fighting for them from across the ocean.

[sedoj]

Quote: loki565

The explosions lay painfully even, as if they had mined in advance and then exploded

And also F - 35 turned out to be really invisible. They are not visible and not heard. Yes, and the bombs were somehow out of order (falling) exploded. All this is muddy.

[abrakadabre]

The expression "bombing in a square-nested fashion" takes on a new meaning.

[Dude]

Demonstration and exercises in one bottle. IMHO, the first is more than the second. Well, and as a bonus - a completed combat mission.

[Vkd dvk]

An interesting use of precision munitions. Carpet bombing, in other words, total destruction in a certain area. It would be understandable to use when PRECISE, when it is dangerous to use it in cities where it is IMPOSSIBLE nearby ..... And you can scatter in the meadow both ordinary, much cheaper, and no less destructive old ones, released back in World War I ..... Apparently, their military strategists were already quite mindset there.

[Ilya Melnov]

Quote: Vkd dvk

And you can scatter in the meadow and the usual, much cheaper, and no less destructive old ones, released as early as World War I ..... Apparently, their military strategists there were already quite moved by their minds.

spent ammunition "on exercises" instead of disposal, with an expiration date that ends, does this bother you a lot? Are you a US taxpayer?

[voyaka uh]

The usual old bombs are simply gone. And the States do not. And Israel does not. Only accurate.

[yehat]

sorry, but what then b-52 afghan ironed? there they just threw cast iron!

[voyaka uh]

Then dumped the remaining stocks from warehouses.

[yehat]

and why did you decide that there was nothing left?
what do you think are armed with the remaining 70 B-52 vehicles?
they have only 2 pendants for URO.

[voyaka uh]

I read that all the remaining unguided bombs were converted to accurate ones.

[yehat]

Well, the cassette for sure did not change in any way.
and free falling is far from all. In general, to believe American advertising is an unjustified occupation. That specifically interests me - whether phosphoric bombs were changed.

[voyaka uh]

They get rid of cassette tapes - they are inefficient and unreliable. Phosphoric is rarely used - for highlighting the territory at night or for smoke screens.

[bober1982]

Quote: voyaka uh

Phosphoric is rarely used - for highlighting the territory at night or for smoke screens.

SABs are used for illumination, phosphorus bombs are completely different.

Quote: voyaka uh

Get rid of cassette tapes - they are inefficient and unreliable

Cluster bombs are effective, just for area targets.

[voyaka uh]

Once phosphorus bombs were used as incendiary.
Currently they are parachuted as lighting. As a rule, they burn out before landing. But there were cases when the unburnt boys grabbed and received burns and chemical poisoning.

[bober1982]

Incendiary bombs are incendiary, luminous bombs are illumination. The nomenclature of bombs is very large.

Quote: voyaka uh

But there were cases when the unburnt

When the SABs were abandoned, then unburnt parachutes were preserved, they were very much appreciated by the village people, who were near the training ground (bags and jackets were sewed from parachutes) The agility of the villagers was simply incredible, not only was the training ground a forbidden zone, but for those who highlighted with SABs, there was always an attack group that worked with high-explosive bombs - but that didn't stop anyone. Local quickly managed to clean up.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Ilya Melnov

Quote: Vkd dvk

And you can scatter in the meadow and the usual, much cheaper, and no less destructive old ones, released as early as World War I ..... Apparently, their military strategists there were already quite moved by their minds.

spent ammunition "on exercises" instead of disposal, with an expiration date that ends, does this bother you a lot? Are you a US taxpayer?

Only full and so on can be used in combat assets debited from old age not at the training ground, but in a specific combat situation. Risking the machine at 100 million green. You are an accountant, moreover, of a provisional collective farm, since you discuss this with knowledge of the cost of equipment. Never put the old on the new. If in the workshop you add old stuff to the new car, disposing of trash, here you will be delighted! Do you really think they are morons capable of this?
Of course, there were only air-conditioned ammunition, Moreover, with an incomplete guarantee.

[Jack O'Neill]

Only full and so on can be used in combat assets debited from old age not at the training ground, but in a specific combat situation. Risking the machine at 100 million green. You are an accountant, moreover, of a provisional collective farm, since you discuss this with knowledge of the cost of equipment. Never put the old on the new. If in the workshop you add old stuff to the new car, disposing of trash, here you will be delighted! Do you really think they are morons capable of this?
Of course, there were only air-conditioned ammunition, Moreover, with an incomplete guarantee.

And our same FAB'y throw straight from the factory or what? The first in the queue are ammunition whose shelf life is coming to an end. This is not dangerous - this is a normal practice all over the world, both here and among the amers.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vkd dvk

Only full and so on can be used in combat assets debited from old age not at the training ground, but in a specific combat situation.

Heh heh heh ... the famous Forestall fire turned out to be so large-scale precisely because AB was supplied with old-style bombs that had lain for 20 years in the tropics, and which had only one road to disposal. The gunsmiths were afraid to lower them into the cellars - and hung them under the first wave. And the old explosive did not tolerate heating (unlike the new one, which lasted for at least 10 minutes) - and the very first bomb exploded less than two minutes after the start of the fire and wiped out all regular fire brigades, who thought they had these 10 minutes. And the other old bombs followed the first.

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Dude

Demonstration and exercises in one bottle. IMHO, the first is more than the second. Well, and as a bonus - a completed combat mission.

Demonstration by bombardment by junk, applying Hephaestus 24 as we have, getting the effect not less in accuracy, but MUCH in price - YES! It convinces. But scattering millions where it is absolutely unnecessary, a blow to the epaulets of those warriors who invented it. Budgets are spent everywhere reporting to congresses. And there, each corporation has its own lobby. It will erase a competitor quickly.

[tlauicol]

Read the article - Adjustable Bombs

[Nikolaevich I]

ammunition "lie down" at an almost equal distance from each other.
So let's drink to the "network-centric"!

[Yngvar]

In Soviet agriculture, this method of planting potatoes was called square-nested ...
True, not from airplanes.

[Alien From]

Can afford smoking rooms, they can! Then they will report to the Pentagon that not a single grasshopper has left ....... s ......

[Retvizan 8]

Well, this is more of an advertisement for their weapons than a military operation!

[TARSUS]

Oh, and comrades like to count money here overseas. If the VKS were bombed like this, bravado would be buzzing for a whole week. Envy silently, they can afford it.

[Rostislav]

Envy that they can afford to keep half-witted generals carrying out precision bombing carpet bombing?
Dismiss

[rotmistr60]

during this "carpet" bombardment,

What, what, and carpet bombing is the United States' hobbyhorse. They distinguished themselves by this, first together with the British in Dresden, then in Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, they "indulge" in this even today, when there is nothing to answer diplomatically.

[yfast]

And now you don’t need to dig houses for cricket, cover from above. Conveniently.

[sledak]

F35 according to NATO classification "brush cutter".

[Lord of the Sith]

They killed bushes, wrote off millions of money, reported a great victory

[NordUral]

Precision weapons with carpet bombing, and even with stealth aircraft?
An interesting solution ...

[Romanenko]

Quote: "36 tons of bombs were dropped on its surface in an attempt to 'deprive ISIS [banned in Russia] of its ability to hide in dense vegetation'"
The familiar tactics of pin-dos eagles, to spoil as large a territory as possible, Agent Orange in Vietnam, bombs with unenriched uranium in Yugoslavia, now scorched earth on the Tigris.
Is it time for them to cool down a little on this subject?

[rocket757]

Strange, of course, but it's their business ....

[saveall]

Hmm ... What's so complicated? What else could the F35 show? To bomb savages who have nothing to answer ... For this, you do not need a plane for tens of billions of dollars.

[abc_alex]

Some garbage in the note. The ghastly bombardment with precision-guided munitions is absurd. It's like shooting bursts of hand-made sniper cartridges. Carpet bombing is over areas, and high-precision munitions are point-wise. They were invented to replace carpet bombing. Their price is justified by the fact that they replace carpet bombing.

Either the journalist is a complete sucker, or in the USA the roof has finally fallen off someone ...

[voyaka uh]

There are no other bombs. They ceased to produce.

[abc_alex]

Quote: voyaka uh

There are no other bombs. They ceased to produce.

The difference between the Russian and state defense industry. Ours learned to bomb cast iron with precision corrected air bombs, and the US began to bomb with precision bombs like cast iron.

[voyaka uh]

Not really ... They throw a bunch of Chugunin. The Hephaestus sight allows you to combine the center of the pack with a target of 20 m approximately. That is, from a pack of 8 bombs, about 2 pieces will hit the target (or very close to the target).
6 - into milk (and with damage to neighboring objects).
One accurate bomb is more expensive than 8 cast iron. But one plane can take 3-4 accurate bombs and hit 3-4 targets. And ordinary bombs - one pack of 8 pieces and hit one target. With iron you will have to do more sorties. Each sortie is a lot of money. They thought that accurate bombs were simply cheaper than conventional bombs, given the number of sorties to defeat the same number of targets.

[abc_alex]

Quote: voyaka uh

Not really ... They throw a bunch of Chugunin. The Hephaestus sight allows you to combine the center of the pack with a target of 20 m approximately. That is, from a pack of 8 bombs, about 2 pieces will hit the target (or very close to the target).

You're not right. SVP-24 "Hephaestus" is intended for "piece" bombing. And its accuracy is several times higher than that indicated by you: 4-7 (5-10) meters for a single 500 kg bomb from a height of 5-6 thousand meters. Look at the footage from Syria, there are many examples of single bombing with high accuracy. At the same time, it is known that the main ammunition of our aviation there were FAB 250 and 500 kg, and the main aircraft were Su-24 and Su-25. In the photo and video from Syria, you can see that they had a standard load of 4 kg of bombs.

Quote: voyaka uh

But one plane can take 3-4 accurate bombs and hit 3-4 targets. AND

But who will give him 3-4 target designations? But in theory it can. Like the Su-24, in theory it can hit 3-4 targets with 500 kg bombs per takeoff. And who told you that out of 100 adjustable bombs, 100 fall?

Quote: voyaka uh

With iron you will have to do more sorties. Each sortie is a lot of money. They thought that accurate bombs were simply cheaper than conventional bombs, given the number of sorties to defeat the same number of targets.

Well, this arithmetic is already completely controversial. Firstly, it is based on false theses about "6 bombs in milk", and 100% hitting the target with an adjustable bomb. The war in Iraq has shown that this is very much wrong. Statistics show that on large fixed targets such as "bridge" or "bunker", US aviation was able to achieve only 75% of hits with guided bombs.
And then, one set of "cheap" US JDAM bomb costs 70 thousand dollars with an accuracy of + -11 meters. It is unlikely that even a successful flight with ammunition in the amount of 4 * 70 = 280 thousand dollars will be cheaper than 4 flights with cast iron.

[voyaka uh]

": 4-7 (5-10) meters for a single 500 kg bomb from a height of 5-6 thousand meters." ////
----
No sight can provide a free-falling bomb with such accuracy.
Since the sight does not know, for example, what wind is at an altitude of 2 thousand meters when throwing
from 5 thousand. Does not know how accurately the wings are welded to each specific bomb,
what impetus she received when exiting the bomb bay.
And any of these factors is a miss of 50 meters. Therefore
cast-iron can only be bombarded with squares or thrown in batches.
Or you have to dive with her like a "bastard-junkers".
Then you get an "accurate bomb".
With Hephaestus, the Moscow Region brutally stabbed everyone. What was to be done?
KABov was in warehouses
with a gulkin nose, they quickly ran out. Like Caliber.
And the cast irons switched to countless FABs.
With the myth of the "miracle sight". And miracles do not happen.

[Alexey Almaatinets]

Apparently, it’s unprofitable for the capitalists to produce simple cheap bombs - the market, ept!

[voyaka uh]

More sorties to defeat targets. See my post above.

[voyaka uh]

Threw 36 of these bombs. With the F-35 and F-15.
The island was controlled by ISIS.

[Lord of the Sith]

Well, yes, it was controlled by the barmalei, Iraqi generals and the rest go to the video in their uniform, on video

[voyaka uh]

Duc ... this is AFTER the bombing.

[Lord of the Sith]

How is it after, if you can clearly see in the video how the explosions in their background occur?

And where are the dead, broken equipment, fortifications?

[voyaka uh]

After the bombing, the Iraqi army went to clean the area.
What does not suit you? In Syria, the same: VKS bombed, then the Syrian army goes to clear the area. And on television they show explosions of the air force bombs.

[Lord of the Sith]

It’s one thing when they show the dead, an inventory of weapons after the operation, and so on, and then a Hollywood craft to make civilians.
They didn’t even dig trenches, officers staggered just like that, no technical equipment, well, a purely Hollywood action movie, with special effects of the middle hand

[voyaka uh]

The same can be said about most of the screenings of the VKS work: "some explosions, then some tanks move. Mosfilm Film Studio."
However, both videoconferencing work and Americans work.

[Voyager]

No, it’s impossible, because in our country the teachings show this. And you say that this record relates directly to the hostilities. And we do not see visual confirmation of the target’s defeat, there are no reports either.

[voyaka uh]

They showed a carpet bombardment of an island overgrown with greenery before the operation of combing through Iraqi infantry.
They showed that precision bombs can be laid in a "geometric pattern" if the need arises.
Why accurate? - because there are no others.

[bober1982]

Quote: voyaka uh

They showed that precision bombs can be laid in a "geometric pattern" if the need arises.

It is not difficult, just serial bombing, and the bombs themselves "fall" according to the pattern. It is peculiar, of course, that they showed it with guided bombs, and now apparently they will work in the same way.

[voyaka uh]

It is interesting only as a kind of "incident", a method: "work in the old way with a new weapon."

[bober1982]

Yes, the Americans wrote off ordinary high-explosive bombs early, all the more so since they have extensive experience (had) massive strikes, now these are the bombings.

[Lord of the Sith]

For example, not some explosions, but the quite visible result of our actions in Novosvetlovka, was there (the pictures are not mine).
Where are the usa results on this island?

[voyaka uh]

So what? Such pictures are full.
Here is the highway of death - Iraqi forces destroyed in 1991 after
Saddam Hussein's invasion of neighboring Kuwait

[aleksandaravin]

And this is generally cynical PR! The fact is that the USAF gouged the Technology thrown by Saddamites !!!

[cyborg]

quite visible result of our actions in Novosvetlovka

Whose is ours?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Tlauicol

Read the article - Adjustable Bombs

In my naivety, I considered them highly accurate. Am I wrong?

[Vkd dvk]

Quote: Romanenko

Quote: "36 tons of bombs were dropped on its surface in an attempt to 'deprive ISIS [banned in Russia] of its ability to hide in dense vegetation'"
The familiar tactics of pin-dos eagles, to spoil as large a territory as possible, Agent Orange in Vietnam, bombs with unenriched uranium in Yugoslavia, now scorched earth on the Tigris.
Is it time for them to cool down a little on this subject?

Only Yellowstone can cool them.

[Ros 56]

With the oil in the head of the striped as it’s not very, it would be necessary to add to the level.

[yehat]

Quote: voyaka uh

They get rid of cassette tapes - they are inefficient and unreliable.

every departure get rid of the helms

[Ural Cossack]

Judging by the video, they could freely (almost by a direct find) destroy this nickel of land with field artillery. A simple landmine. Cheap and cheerful. F-35s and precision bombs are very expensive for bush shooting

[Pacifist with AK]

Quote: sledak

F35 according to NATO classification "brush cutter".

Yeah))))) "Bushfighter"))))))))

[valeryb]

Again, someone hit the island. However, the trend.

[Kunica]

With a scalpel, nails are boarded up.

[Babermetis]

But not sickly bombed!

[aleksandaravin]

You know, you can bomb Spirits with F-16 / 15E both cheaper and better! And F-35 yes with 2x2 Pounds - Log-s!

[Alexey Almaatinets]

The super-stealth F-117 worked as a night bomber over the territories broken by the Tomahawk waves before being written off. The new 5th generation F-35 super stealth fighter drops bombs on bushes where bearded men with machine guns can hide. What will be the 6th generation American stealth for?

[Shahno]

I liked the name.
I didn’t read further. I do not read agitation ...
PS. I even read Damantsev. He at least has his own opinion.