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Where the barrel of the T-90 Indian tank broke

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It all started with a comment under the article "T-90 tank barrel burst during firing in India".


Only three options occurred to me.

Where the barrel of the T-90 Indian tank broke


1. Trunk defect.

As far as I know, the barrel is still made in Russia. The defect is not only excluded, but disappearingly unlikely.

2. Foreign body in the bore.

The most likely version. The remark that the rupture occurred when leaving the bore is in favor of this version. They scooped up the barrel before the shot and still banged.

3. Poor quality ammunition.

Ammunition is traditionally separate. Those. separate shell and propellant charge.

The propellant could hardly have become a direct cause since it performs its main action in the breech and further, as the projectile moves along the bore and its velocity increases, the pressure of the powder gases decreases, and from the moment of the shot, i.e. separation of the projectile from the bore is quickly equated to atmospheric altogether.

If the fire was fired by live shells, which is possible at the firing range, then it is theoretically possible to talk about the likelihood of an explosive being detonated until the shell detaches from the bore. But only theoretically. In practice, this is also prevented by a fuse equipped with a so-called mechanism. distant platoon. It provides a delay in bringing the fuse to the firing position so that the fired shell can move away from the gun a sufficient distance. Otherwise, if the projectile hits an object that is too close, the gun (tank) and its crew (crew) may be affected by the impact of their own projectile. T.O. the version with an exploding shell is also vanishingly small, provided that the shells are of high quality. But if not, or if, for example, abnormal ammunition, a detonator of their own design, etc. were used, then this version cannot be completely excluded.

4. Combinations of 1,2,3 versions, but not random, but as a deliberate sabotage. This, of course, smacks of conspiracy theory, but it cannot be ruled out.

... the fate of the crew is not reported.


Having searched a little in the Indian press found message that no one was hurt as a result of big bang. Those. There are no victims and injured.

And now attention!

The article indicates the location where the incident occurred.

Pokhran training ground located at 45 km northwest of the city of Pokhran and at 4 km north of the village of Khetolay in Jaisalmer.

Out of habit, I decided to look at this place to check the most likely, in my opinion, version of "scooped the earth with a barrel." Well, such as how rugged the terrain is. And ... oh, horror! At the indicated location, namely, in 4's north of the village of Khetolai, there is nothing other than the Indian Nuclear Test Site. Those. Indian Nuclear Test Site. There you go!





For reference. POLIGON POKHARAN, INDIA


Year of appearance: 1974.

The first nuclear tests in India took place in the 1974 year, at the Pokharan training ground. It is located on the territory of the densely populated state of Rajasthan, since the foundation the training ground has been a serious threat to local residents. In many ways, the formation of the training ground was facilitated by a long-standing military conflict with Pakistan. In 1998, the largest series was conducted at the Pokharan training ground, five nuclear shells were blown up here. Currently, the landfill is a protected enclosed area, explosions in its territory are no longer carried out, but used for other tests.

Here, the military is practicing bombing techniques, as well as various methods of using nuclear weapons. It is important to note that India is one of the few states in the world with a nuclear triad. This country has at its disposal all possible means for delivering nuclear bombs: airplanes, special submarines, as well as ballistic systems. Like many other polygons in the world, Pokharan remains the most secret to date. Many advanced countries receive information about it only images from space satellites.

In 2000, the images obtained from the IKONOS-2 satellite were published. In these images, plots of soil subsidence that occurred after the next series of tests are visible. Even in the pictures, the buildings that could serve as the entrance to the underground tunnels are distinguishable. At this training ground, the most powerful stories Indian nuclear projectile, according to experts, its power was not less than 20 ct, and some researchers argue that the power of the explosion was not less than 30 ct.

So everything may not be as easy as it seems at first glance.



But what if the Indians try to shove nuclear munitions into the 125-mm projectile and an abnormal situation arises when testing the prototype?
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  1. Dietmar
    Dietmar 31 August 2019 19: 42
    +12
    Something tells me that the version of the 125-mm nuclear projectile in this tank is not very convincing.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 31 August 2019 20: 59
      +4
      Quote: Dietmar
      Something tells me that the version of the 125-mm nuclear projectile in this tank is not very convincing.

      The version is at least fantastic, but still possible. In essence, there is no need to carry out firing from a tank at a nuclear test site, only if you wanted to keep something a secret. That’s where it snapped ...............
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 31 August 2019 22: 23
        +7
        In the framework of conspiracy theories - maybe they tested their development of a sub-caliber projectile with a depleted uranium core? But something went wrong ...
        As for a nuclear missile in 125 mm format - do they really have such technologies, component base, skilled workers? "I do not believe!" (from)
        1. 30143
          30143 31 August 2019 23: 36
          +2
          Hindus are smart guys
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 1 September 2019 08: 29
          -1
          Quote: dzvero
          As for a nuclear missile in 125 mm format - do they really have such technologies, component base, skilled workers? "I do not believe!" (from)

          They were able to create a nuclear bomb and tested it in 1974, but does the shell turn out to be space technology in general?
          1. dzvero
            dzvero 1 September 2019 09: 58
            +5
            and the shell turns out it is generally space technology?

            Only the USA and the USSR could create such shells and the smallest caliber was 152 mm. I read that there are problems not only with the charge, but also with the other components, which should work reliably after acceleration in the gun barrel. Also, with a decrease in caliber, respectfully the amount of fissile material, other approaches to the initiation of fission are needed. And this is a completely different scientific and technological level. I therefore doubt that the Indians were able to independently create a nuclear shell in the caliber of 125 mm.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 1 September 2019 16: 53
              +1
              Quote: dzvero
              And this is a completely different scientific and technological level.

              What's the catch ? For this they had 40 years with a tail, and we did not immediately begin to possess such technologies
              1. dzvero
                dzvero 1 September 2019 17: 50
                +4
                When creating artillery nuclear shells, both the United States and the USSR rested on the dimensions of a six-inch. It is said that with a decrease in charge size, initiating a reaction becomes more difficult. We need new types of chemical explosives, they entail new layouts, etc. In general, as early as the 70s, it became clear that miniaturization leads to unreliability of the charge. They also say that most of the problems were solvable, but either the cost is prohibitive, or they require large-scale and complex research work, or both. Therefore, in both the USA and the USSR, 152 mm were limited. Therefore, I risked not believing that the Indians have a scientific school capable of creating a nuclear projectile in a caliber of 125 mm.
          2. lis-ik
            lis-ik 2 September 2019 15: 17
            +1
            Quote: APASUS
            Quote: dzvero
            As for a nuclear missile in 125 mm format - do they really have such technologies, component base, skilled workers? "I do not believe!" (from)

            They were able to create a nuclear bomb and tested it in 1974, but does the shell turn out to be space technology in general?

            Small-sized or "knapsack" nuclear weapons are a level of completely different technologies. Only two countries possess them, now the Russian Federation and the United States.
            1. APASUS
              APASUS 2 September 2019 18: 17
              0
              Quote: lis-ik
              Small-sized or "knapsack" nuclear weapons are a level of completely different technologies. Only two countries possess them, now the Russian Federation and the USA

              Korea can produce nuclear weapons on its knees, and India has not been able to develop technology to the right level in 40 years. Are we with the Americans from aliens or what?
              1. lis-ik
                lis-ik 2 September 2019 19: 22
                +1
                Quote: APASUS
                Quote: lis-ik
                Small-sized or "knapsack" nuclear weapons are a level of completely different technologies. Only two countries possess them, now the Russian Federation and the USA

                Korea can produce nuclear weapons on its knees, and India has not been able to develop technology to the right level in 40 years. Are we with the Americans from aliens or what?

                No. I think not from them. The level is different and the school of nuclear physics, and, accordingly, quantum mechanics. belay
  2. maw
    maw 31 August 2019 19: 47
    +25
    In his "early days" he was honored to serve in 392 USP (Shali-3). Every six months, staff shooting - 1UTB - more than 300 people. Plus the group of the regiment commander (who is supposed to) and the management of all battalions. And not a single "rose". Me so "kaEtsya" that "RouZho" should be cleaned and examined before the broads.
    1. 113262a
      113262a 31 August 2019 20: 21
      +16
      83-85 GSVG, 23 TP, full-time firing at each battalion and above exercises. And this is 2-5 times for a period, i.e. for a half year. And not a single one! Yes, there were sticks, but they either stopped shooting if the shell was already in the channel or they simply blew the channel with a charge, having previously thrown the shell out of the tray! On the t-80, it’s just that you stop the cycle until the rammer’s exit, open the hatch and throw the shell out. Then, the MZ-on toggle switch is on. Give a shot command. I did it three times.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 31 August 2019 20: 29
        +11
        Quote: 113262
        On t-80, it's just that you stop the cycle until the rammer comes out, open the hatch and throw the shell out. Then, the MZ-on toggle switch is on. Give a shot command. I did it three times

        A plus.

        For his part - he personally saw the torn trunk after poking. Then they told me that there should have worked 4 (four, Karl !!) locks. Not a single one worked belay

        And then a dialogue (deputy regiment armament, and I, platoon):
        - Roma, I have never seen such a thing !!
        - Dragging the colonel (he’s underground, finally), I ALSO have never seen such a thing !!
        - Roma, you have three salaries !!!
        - Dragging the colonel, (male genital organ) ...
        - Why not?
        - But because ...

        Wanted details - in PM request
        1. 113262a
          113262a 31 August 2019 21: 27
          +4
          Unfortunately, there are no locks against poking! If the mechanic did bite, and he sees it better than anyone, that's all, you can’t shoot! If on a march, wait for a halt and clean it with a banner, if on shooting, see above! If he buried and hid, then broads!
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 31 August 2019 21: 42
          +5
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          For his part - he personally saw the torn trunk after poking. Then they told me that there should have worked 4 (four, Karl !!) locks. Not a single one worked

          The TB commander also told me such a story, though I don’t remember the tank, but the scars on his head when the return line went after probing probably proved that he was right .... though it was a long time ago and with a glass of tea wassat
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 1 September 2019 10: 47
            +2
            Quote: Ascetic
            scars on his head when the return went after sticking

            Yes, there are no scars ... unfortunately ...

            My fighters managed to make such a move ... the end of the barrel was consumed in order to put the cannon on the march - the fighter was put on the cannon ... as, mmm, a counterweight ...

            Yes it's true. Tanks are not *, but PRESS
    2. vladcub
      vladcub 31 August 2019 21: 20
      +11
      Once in my childhood, I was about 10, my grandfather used to say to me: "Baba lube to be kissed, and to be kissed," and he heard that from his grandfather
  3. SASHA OLD
    SASHA OLD 31 August 2019 19: 53
    +5
    my respect for such a collection and analysis of information ..

    I already expressed to you in the commentary under the article about breaking the news,
    but I will express it again - it was very interesting to read, see everything
    1. Shuttle
      1 September 2019 19: 28
      +2
      Quote: SASHA OLD
      my respect for such a collection and analysis of information ..

      I already expressed to you in the commentary under the article about breaking the news,
      but I will express it again - it was very interesting to read, see everything

      Marked twice. I read you too. wink
  4. Amateur
    Amateur 31 August 2019 19: 55
    -2
    Having searched a little in the Indian press, I found a message saying that no one was injured as a result of the big bang. Those. There are no victims and injured.

    But what if the Indians try to shove nuclear munitions into the 125-mm projectile and an abnormal situation arises when testing the prototype?

    Then they would have written: "There are no victims or injured, since there is nothing left of them at all, only a funnel."
    Something on IN has recently divorced writers who, unfortunately, do not read what they themselves wrote. request
  5. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 31 August 2019 20: 10
    +2
    It's time to sleep .. In the articles on VO, some kind of gloomy nonsense begins ... I will re-read tomorrow ..
  6. General failure
    General failure 31 August 2019 20: 12
    +2
    But what if the Indians are trying to stuff a nuclear munition into a 125-mm shell when testing the prototype

    Definitely nonsense and speculation.
    They could stuff any of their Wishlist into the shell — at least PFM type mines in the cassette. But he could not bear the acceleration of the shot and the shell was deformed.

    I have a strong opinion that nuclear weapons, which now have a reputation for ultima ratio and full armageddon, none of those who have it have the desire to debunk this reputation.

    ... and by the way, there are very big differences from the use of strategic 400-500kt from tactical 10-20kt.
    Should anyone blow a tactical vigorous loaf (God forbid), these illusory taboos will fly off and hell will open.
  7. garri-lin
    garri-lin 31 August 2019 20: 13
    +4
    I liked that the pressure in the barrel is reduced. The level is immediately visible. And the Indians are not so stupid as to test the shell when shooting from a tank. You need to make a stand with a gun 10 cubes of concrete and 10 concrete workers.
  8. knn54
    knn54 31 August 2019 20: 17
    0
    For such an article, the comment is appropriate.
    There was (and) a case (s) when a Finnish sniper hit a projectile in the KV-2 barrel. This is already during the Second World War, not Finnish.
    The "rosette" was obtained from the detonation of a projectile or damage to the barrel thread.
    Since today the trunks are "smooth", the first option remains - pb of the 4th version.
    1. General failure
      General failure 31 August 2019 20: 32
      +5
      There was also a case when a bullet was shot down.
      The enemy’s gun was pierced from the tank by a projectile.
      And Baron Munchausen shot from the chimney of ducks.
      But in general - niachom. You can’t build tactics on such cases.
      A golden shot at that and a golden one to be golden.
  9. bubalik
    bubalik 31 August 2019 20: 37
    +10
    Foreign body in the bore
    ,, the mentality is laughing
  10. mark1
    mark1 31 August 2019 21: 19
    +4
    But what if the Indians try to shove nuclear munitions into the 125-mm projectile and an abnormal situation arises when testing the prototype?

    Well, the version! - and stunned and discouraged ...
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  12. greenx
    greenx 31 August 2019 22: 16
    0

    asdasd asdasd

  13. Anarchist 2019
    Anarchist 2019 31 August 2019 23: 14
    +3
    About nuclear shells - nonsense and nonsense. And the fact that automation and blocking did not work is a fact.
  14. svp67
    svp67 1 September 2019 00: 04
    +3
    T.O. the version with an exploding shell is also vanishingly small, provided that the shells are of high quality.
    And he was not dropped from a height of more than a meter on a hard surface, and then they were not rejected ...
  15. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 1 September 2019 00: 21
    +3
    Well, sho, sho nuclear ?! The main thing is that everyone is alive! fellow
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 1 September 2019 04: 25
      +4
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Well, sho, sho nuclear ?! The main thing is that everyone is alive!

      So this is the core of a coconut, and therefore survived after a nuclear explosion.
  16. E.S.
    E.S. 1 September 2019 01: 36
    0
    Quote: garri-lin
    I liked that the pressure in the barrel is reduced. The level is immediately visible. And the Indians are not so stupid as to test the shell when shooting from a tank. You need to make a stand with a gun 10 cubes of concrete and 10 concrete workers.

    Why 10 snouts ?? Did you put concrete?
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 1 September 2019 10: 01
      +3
      Ten is just what you need. Two work, eight control the process ...
  17. asv363
    asv363 1 September 2019 01: 58
    +3
    But what if the Indians try to shove nuclear munitions into the 125-mm projectile and an abnormal situation arises when testing the prototype?

    This is unrealizable and has no practical application. Ours, despite the presence of 152 mm shells for self-propelled guns, in reality, made a charge for the caliber of Tulip (2C4, 240 mm).
  18. sen
    sen 1 September 2019 07: 03
    +3
    During the Great Patriotic War in the small village of Semlevo, Vyazemsky District, two German tanks held the defenses. Local boy Viktor Tigrov decided to play a dirty trick on the Germans. He brought a cup of sour cream to the Germans, who were located near their tanks. While they ate sour cream, Victor managed to put some sand in the barrel of these tanks.
    A few days later, the Red Army launched an attack on the village of Semlevo. German tanks prepared to repel the attack. Tanks of the advancing division appeared on the horizon. Both German tanks fired almost simultaneously. Both had a muzzle broken. The roar was so strong that German soldiers jumped out of the tanks and fled away from them.
    As far as nuclear weapons are concerned, as far as I know, the minimum caliber for them is 152-155 mm for land guns and 130 mm for sea guns.
  19. Alexga
    Alexga 1 September 2019 15: 02
    +9
    A common occurrence when performing 2 exercises. This is when the transition from one trench to another. It turned out that the gun clung to the parapet when the loading cycle was on. The crew does not see, but they did not have time to stop from the tower. For my service 4 trunks. A cliff of the barrel along the receiver for drilling a barrel purge system. On the 2A46M, four hours of trunk replacement work directly on the director.
  20. Clone
    Clone 2 September 2019 19: 12
    0
    20 kilotons per tank gun firing range? Meaning?
  21. Ahmad Valiev_3
    Ahmad Valiev_3 4 September 2019 00: 08
    0
    Chah groin and everything was gone, chah groin and everything went to hell
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    1. sleeve
      sleeve 4 September 2019 06: 26
      0
      Throw in my "five cents". option is possible. But ... "Throwing" is most likely a weight model. The problem is in placing the charge inside the projectile-dimensions. If you read some fiction, you can try to "stretch" it through modeling the layout. In this case, ONLY a smoothbore is suitable for this, since the ratio of ammunition in length-to-diameter (caliber-caliber) will already fall out beyond reasonable limits. And here you can make a mistake with the weight and size and initiate such "fun". A projectile that is too long and heavy may not come out of the barrel and will collapse in it, leading to an end rupture.