Turkish party of the Kremlin
President Erdogan arrived in Russia with a representative delegation. The staff, as they say, is inspired by: Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu, Minister of Finance Berat Albayrak, Minister of Defense Hulusi Akar, Head of Intelligence Hakan Fidan, Minister of Industry and Technology Development Mustafa Varank, Head of the Department of Defense Industry Ismail Demir, Director for Communications of the President Fahrettin Altun, presidential spokesman Ibrahim Kalin and several other dignitaries.
The composition itself clearly shows that, first of all, the "Sultan Recep" came to solve issues of military-technical, technical and technological, as well as economic cooperation, but also political issues. Many expected that the timely defeat, directly to the visit, which was scheduled for the opening of the MAKS air show in Zhukovsky, the defeat of the “Latami projection” in Syria, will be one of the main topics. He, and the further fate of Idlib, or, as militants and sympathizers call him, "Big Idlib." So they call Idlib himself, who was completely under the "green" bandits, and the small territories of the provinces of Aleppo, Hama and Latakia, which adjoin him. However, now there is no "green plague" in Hama, everyone has been kicked out, and Idlib can no longer be called the territory completely under the militants.
Various, let's say, sympathizing with the terrorists vehemently and painstakingly painted how difficult the negotiations would be precisely because Erdogan would desperately bargain for the fate of the "green spot" on the Syrian map. Or it will even threaten Putin or bring an ultimatum to him. As you know, everyone regularly brings a “black mark” to Putin, about this any Ukrainian news the site knows - Putin just doesn't know.
But in reality, as expected, Erdogan, of course, bargained for the pace and scale of the reduction of the aforementioned “spot”, as well as the terrorists inhabiting it, but was not inclined to attach too much importance to this. At the final briefing, he understood with understanding the speech of his Russian colleague about the need to cleanse Idlib from terrorists. In response, the Russian leader said that he understood the needs of Turkey in ensuring its security and was positive about creating a "security zone" along the border - in the territories occupied by Kurdish forces.
That is, in fact, Erdogan, realizing that Russia will take away the heads of bearded men from gangs, was happy to replace this already practically written off "asset" with him by the heads of the "beloved" Kurds. This is if figuratively. In addition, the Kurds from the SDF, even despite the withdrawal of a significant part of the US forces from Syria, continue to maintain a pro-American orientation, although it is not as strong as before (many in the SDF, especially the Arabs, are already starting to look towards the government), and begin look towards Damascus and Khmeimim only when they hear Turkish speech and see Turkish technology. So, why should we spare them? That's when they will once again be beaten up with the obvious connivance of Washington - then it will be possible to intervene.
Moreover, this "exchange" was perceived by the militants' information resources as a betrayal. Erdogan, and so is persuaded in every way, after losing the “Battle of Latamina”, they say, he did not protect, but was like a father to us. Sold, you know, to Moscow, for a can of jam. And now they even write how disgusting they are to see Erdogan and Putin eating the “Cow from Korenovka” at the air show and discussing the sale of fighters and other military equipment to Turkey. The most curious thing is the same attitude in Israel. Either they are so worried about Islamic terrorists, or they are afraid of Turkey’s strengthening, or both. After all, the “wise” idea of linking the purchase of the C-400 with the F-35 fighters, they say, was strongly supported by Israel and lobbied for it (which was not difficult, given the family ties of the Trump family).
The main thing at the meeting was military-technical cooperation. Turkey is clearly interested in purchasing export versions of Su-35С and Su-30СМ fighters. As well as Su-57E. In this case, in general, it is clear that Russia is not very eager to sell just the last type of aircraft without linking with the previous ones. However, the Turks are unlikely to master the purchase of a large batch of Su-57. It will cost them dearly enough, and the machine is very complicated, the variant of a mixed batch of fighters would be much more optimal. But, which is much more surprising, the Turks are also interested in the MiG-35С in the export version. It is unlikely that they are ready to buy all of the above types, why do they need such a "zoo" in service? Perhaps they just have not yet decided on the choice and are eyeing.
In addition, the Turks, as it comes to the contract, will bargain desperately - they don’t have much money, will “break through” part-credit schemes, they will also want offset deals (investments of part of our profit from the sale transaction weapons in their country), the organization of the assembly or production of a number of nodes. At least tires, at least a step-ladder, at least something - the Turks need to load up their military industry after an affront from the USA on F-35. Also, the Turks do not yet leave completely hope to revive their participation in the program for the release of the ill-fated Lightning-2, which was announced after returning from Russia. But, most likely, the train has already left completely. And the statements of the Turks can serve as a cover for ongoing negotiations with Russia on specific supply contracts.
The Turks also expressed interest in buying electronic warfare systems, means of radio-technical air defense forces (radar) and getting help in developing such systems. Yes, Turkey produces electronic warfare systems of its development, but the real characteristics of these systems are far from claimed. Despite the fact that the systems are, in fact, assembled from Western components. But in the context of a deepening split between Turkey and the United States with the EU, the orientation toward Western components in such systems does not seem to be short-sighted. This, of course, is understood in Ankara.
And in general, evaluating the activities of the Turkish president in the military field, one can notice that he is consistently trying to remove the officer corps of the Turkish Armed Forces from Western influence, by consistently cleaning the ranks of the most pro-Western personnel. "The main Turk" is not because of this concern that the West does not like, just history He knows Turkey and military coups well, and did not forget 2016. For him, this is a matter of personal survival, first of all. He is a pragmatist and a big sly (or considers himself as such). And you have to keep your eyes open with him.
Many were cleared, as our army says, “according to the OSH”, that is, during the reductions (over the past 10 over some years, the Turkish armed forces have been reduced in number by a little less than half, and the reductions continue, however, with the growth of technical equipment in return). Many - after the coup. Many have left and are leaving. The problem is that nationally-oriented cadres are not always well trained and educated. But Erdogan needs the "faithful" than the "smart." Although he understands that you can’t get a lot of illiterate cadres, and if the Kurds still succeed, albeit not without problems and considerable losses, then he’s already much more trained and, most importantly, motivated militants of the now defeated “blacks” (ISIS banned in Russia) , gave the Turks a light at the time, and burned a lot of expensive and latest, by the standards of Turkey, technology. And not because they were so good, but because the Turks were bad. And how to get more competent officers? They must be taught either at home, or in the West, or in the East. The West, in this situation, is more and more "toxic", people who can arrange another coup will come from there. Remains East. China is far away, but Russia is near. The possible training of Turkish military personnel in Russian military universities was also discussed.
And in general, Turkey in Erdogan’s dreams and plans is seen as a regional power, independent of no one. This, of course, is unrealistic. But distance from NATO and the USA, in general, is already underway. Although there is no talk of any way out of the alliance, Washington will come to such wise steps. It is likely that the "Sultan" understands that the Americans do not need partners, but only slaves and satellites, and the logic of the situation may force him to take those steps that no one wants to speak openly about. Yes, and there are already rumors about the possible closure of US bases in Turkey, it may well come to that, and much faster.
Turkey also has an understanding that Russia, as one of the two main centers of power (or, if you want, the marriages of Russia and China), is a much more adequate “roof” than the current USA. We can lean against us - we will not bend anyone, bend and put anyone in various uncomfortable positions, not in our style. Sometimes, by the way, in vain - many of our partners and allies deserve this, we will not specify who and for what. And there’s nothing to say about the "non-brothers" there.
On the other hand, the Great Game of Russia in the Turkish direction is convenient for Russia. After all, we don’t lose anything if it doesn’t “burn out” with the Turks. We lived once before and without close cooperation - we will live on. And, thank God, there is no complete trust in Turkey and Erdogan, and it cannot be. But alliances and alliances and other forms of cooperation, calculated and without love, are often stronger than "cordial agreements." In general, of course, how the situation will develop - time will tell. But the game of Russia on the Turkish board is definitely designed for a long time.
Idlibsk parish? Take it away!
The composition itself clearly shows that, first of all, the "Sultan Recep" came to solve issues of military-technical, technical and technological, as well as economic cooperation, but also political issues. Many expected that the timely defeat, directly to the visit, which was scheduled for the opening of the MAKS air show in Zhukovsky, the defeat of the “Latami projection” in Syria, will be one of the main topics. He, and the further fate of Idlib, or, as militants and sympathizers call him, "Big Idlib." So they call Idlib himself, who was completely under the "green" bandits, and the small territories of the provinces of Aleppo, Hama and Latakia, which adjoin him. However, now there is no "green plague" in Hama, everyone has been kicked out, and Idlib can no longer be called the territory completely under the militants.
Various, let's say, sympathizing with the terrorists vehemently and painstakingly painted how difficult the negotiations would be precisely because Erdogan would desperately bargain for the fate of the "green spot" on the Syrian map. Or it will even threaten Putin or bring an ultimatum to him. As you know, everyone regularly brings a “black mark” to Putin, about this any Ukrainian news the site knows - Putin just doesn't know.
But in reality, as expected, Erdogan, of course, bargained for the pace and scale of the reduction of the aforementioned “spot”, as well as the terrorists inhabiting it, but was not inclined to attach too much importance to this. At the final briefing, he understood with understanding the speech of his Russian colleague about the need to cleanse Idlib from terrorists. In response, the Russian leader said that he understood the needs of Turkey in ensuring its security and was positive about creating a "security zone" along the border - in the territories occupied by Kurdish forces.
That is, in fact, Erdogan, realizing that Russia will take away the heads of bearded men from gangs, was happy to replace this already practically written off "asset" with him by the heads of the "beloved" Kurds. This is if figuratively. In addition, the Kurds from the SDF, even despite the withdrawal of a significant part of the US forces from Syria, continue to maintain a pro-American orientation, although it is not as strong as before (many in the SDF, especially the Arabs, are already starting to look towards the government), and begin look towards Damascus and Khmeimim only when they hear Turkish speech and see Turkish technology. So, why should we spare them? That's when they will once again be beaten up with the obvious connivance of Washington - then it will be possible to intervene.
Moreover, this "exchange" was perceived by the militants' information resources as a betrayal. Erdogan, and so is persuaded in every way, after losing the “Battle of Latamina”, they say, he did not protect, but was like a father to us. Sold, you know, to Moscow, for a can of jam. And now they even write how disgusting they are to see Erdogan and Putin eating the “Cow from Korenovka” at the air show and discussing the sale of fighters and other military equipment to Turkey. The most curious thing is the same attitude in Israel. Either they are so worried about Islamic terrorists, or they are afraid of Turkey’s strengthening, or both. After all, the “wise” idea of linking the purchase of the C-400 with the F-35 fighters, they say, was strongly supported by Israel and lobbied for it (which was not difficult, given the family ties of the Trump family).
First of all, we will see the planes - and we will probably buy them later
The main thing at the meeting was military-technical cooperation. Turkey is clearly interested in purchasing export versions of Su-35С and Su-30СМ fighters. As well as Su-57E. In this case, in general, it is clear that Russia is not very eager to sell just the last type of aircraft without linking with the previous ones. However, the Turks are unlikely to master the purchase of a large batch of Su-57. It will cost them dearly enough, and the machine is very complicated, the variant of a mixed batch of fighters would be much more optimal. But, which is much more surprising, the Turks are also interested in the MiG-35С in the export version. It is unlikely that they are ready to buy all of the above types, why do they need such a "zoo" in service? Perhaps they just have not yet decided on the choice and are eyeing.
In addition, the Turks, as it comes to the contract, will bargain desperately - they don’t have much money, will “break through” part-credit schemes, they will also want offset deals (investments of part of our profit from the sale transaction weapons in their country), the organization of the assembly or production of a number of nodes. At least tires, at least a step-ladder, at least something - the Turks need to load up their military industry after an affront from the USA on F-35. Also, the Turks do not yet leave completely hope to revive their participation in the program for the release of the ill-fated Lightning-2, which was announced after returning from Russia. But, most likely, the train has already left completely. And the statements of the Turks can serve as a cover for ongoing negotiations with Russia on specific supply contracts.
The Turks also expressed interest in buying electronic warfare systems, means of radio-technical air defense forces (radar) and getting help in developing such systems. Yes, Turkey produces electronic warfare systems of its development, but the real characteristics of these systems are far from claimed. Despite the fact that the systems are, in fact, assembled from Western components. But in the context of a deepening split between Turkey and the United States with the EU, the orientation toward Western components in such systems does not seem to be short-sighted. This, of course, is understood in Ankara.
Unhook Turkey from the western train to survive on the throne
And in general, evaluating the activities of the Turkish president in the military field, one can notice that he is consistently trying to remove the officer corps of the Turkish Armed Forces from Western influence, by consistently cleaning the ranks of the most pro-Western personnel. "The main Turk" is not because of this concern that the West does not like, just history He knows Turkey and military coups well, and did not forget 2016. For him, this is a matter of personal survival, first of all. He is a pragmatist and a big sly (or considers himself as such). And you have to keep your eyes open with him.
Many were cleared, as our army says, “according to the OSH”, that is, during the reductions (over the past 10 over some years, the Turkish armed forces have been reduced in number by a little less than half, and the reductions continue, however, with the growth of technical equipment in return). Many - after the coup. Many have left and are leaving. The problem is that nationally-oriented cadres are not always well trained and educated. But Erdogan needs the "faithful" than the "smart." Although he understands that you can’t get a lot of illiterate cadres, and if the Kurds still succeed, albeit not without problems and considerable losses, then he’s already much more trained and, most importantly, motivated militants of the now defeated “blacks” (ISIS banned in Russia) , gave the Turks a light at the time, and burned a lot of expensive and latest, by the standards of Turkey, technology. And not because they were so good, but because the Turks were bad. And how to get more competent officers? They must be taught either at home, or in the West, or in the East. The West, in this situation, is more and more "toxic", people who can arrange another coup will come from there. Remains East. China is far away, but Russia is near. The possible training of Turkish military personnel in Russian military universities was also discussed.
And in general, Turkey in Erdogan’s dreams and plans is seen as a regional power, independent of no one. This, of course, is unrealistic. But distance from NATO and the USA, in general, is already underway. Although there is no talk of any way out of the alliance, Washington will come to such wise steps. It is likely that the "Sultan" understands that the Americans do not need partners, but only slaves and satellites, and the logic of the situation may force him to take those steps that no one wants to speak openly about. Yes, and there are already rumors about the possible closure of US bases in Turkey, it may well come to that, and much faster.
Turkey also has an understanding that Russia, as one of the two main centers of power (or, if you want, the marriages of Russia and China), is a much more adequate “roof” than the current USA. We can lean against us - we will not bend anyone, bend and put anyone in various uncomfortable positions, not in our style. Sometimes, by the way, in vain - many of our partners and allies deserve this, we will not specify who and for what. And there’s nothing to say about the "non-brothers" there.
On the other hand, the Great Game of Russia in the Turkish direction is convenient for Russia. After all, we don’t lose anything if it doesn’t “burn out” with the Turks. We lived once before and without close cooperation - we will live on. And, thank God, there is no complete trust in Turkey and Erdogan, and it cannot be. But alliances and alliances and other forms of cooperation, calculated and without love, are often stronger than "cordial agreements." In general, of course, how the situation will develop - time will tell. But the game of Russia on the Turkish board is definitely designed for a long time.
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