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Ukraine has already purchased from Turkey two thousand MP-5 software for the National Police

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Ukraine has already received two thousand Turkish-made 9-mm MP-5 submachine guns to equip the National Police units. This was reported by the Ukrainian website “Ukrainian Mini Portal”.


Ukraine has already purchased from Turkey two thousand MP-5 software for the National Police


Turkey has already delivered to Ukraine two thousand 9mm MP-5 submachine guns, which are manufactured under the Heckler & Koch license at the Turkish MKEK enterprise. According to the director of the Turkish plant Ali Gumush, another XNUMX submachine guns of this type will be sent to Ukraine in the near future.

We provide MP-5 domestic customers, as well as send them abroad. We sent two thousand units to Ukraine. We can say that this is a short time for foreign deliveries. Two thousand units still send

- said Gumusch and added that MKEK has a Heckler & Koch license for the production of MP-5 submachine guns of various modifications since 1984.

The rearmament of the units of the National Police of Ukraine with Heckler & Koch MP-5 submachine guns was announced in May this year, after the presentation weaponsheld on 15 on May. The head of the National Police, Sergei Knyazev, said that the re-equipment of police from Kalashnikov assault rifles to MP-5 submachine guns was carried out as part of law enforcement reform and was a priority.

First of all, police units directly involved in measures to ensure public safety and law and order, i.e. serving on the streets, at airports, at train stations, etc.

The 9mm Heckler & KochMP-5 submachine gun is used primarily by special operations and police units in more than 50 countries.
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  1. loki565
    loki565 23 August 2019 10: 08
    -9
    MP-5 is not the best choice, especially since it is very outdated.
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 23 August 2019 10: 15
      +16
      The best choice for ukropolitsaev MR-38/40! wink
    2. private person
      private person 23 August 2019 10: 16
      0
      Here the whole highlight is that they abandoned the Kalash and PM they are now Geyropeytsy.
      1. loki565
        loki565 23 August 2019 10: 21
        -2
        PM and we will get rid soon. Kalash for the police is redundant, but PP just right, only MP5 is a strange choice, the campaign for someone else has a good rollback.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 August 2019 11: 43
        0
        Quote: private person
        Here the whole highlight is that they abandoned the Kalash and PM

        Desovetization! And Europeans are ashamed to run along the streets with a Kalashnikov.
    3. parma
      parma 23 August 2019 10: 59
      +5
      Quote: loki565
      MP-5 is not the best choice, especially since it is very outdated.

      Just like a police checkpoint is not bad at all, and it doesn’t turn out to be called obsolete ... Another question is that the price tag for MP-5 is high at UMP lower, but as far as I remember, refused to supply weapons to / from Ukraine ...
      1. Yujanin
        Yujanin 23 August 2019 11: 16
        +1

        Precisely as a police officer, PP is not bad at all, and the language does not turn out to be called obsolete.

        The MP-5 is small, compact and fast-firing. For close combat in urban environments just right. And in the field, "Kalash" is irreplaceable. It is quite lethal and reliable. No wonder the Turkish gendarmerie in the mountains with the PKK is at war with the captured Kalash
      2. loki565
        loki565 23 August 2019 13: 26
        0
        the concept of software is not outdated, it is MP5 that is out of date. We use newer, more convenient software like SR-2 "Veresk" and PP-2000

        1. jojick
          jojick 23 August 2019 16: 01
          -1
          Well, no one asked a clear question, I’ll ask: what is the reason for the self-loading (moreover, automatic with an interpreter) short-barreled shotgun under a pistol cartridge firing from a closed bolt?

          The fact that his "girls" cannot wear for a long time, do you understand "heavy"?
        2. neri73-r
          neri73-r 23 August 2019 16: 57
          +1
          I completely agree with you! He shot both from Heather and from MP-5, and at the same time. I liked Heather very much, but there’s no MP-5, it wasn’t convenient for me, these are personal feelings.
      3. Ingenegr
        Ingenegr 23 August 2019 16: 28
        0
        MP-5 is not bad, I agree. But he’s not bad with good quality ammunition. With cheap ones, for example, the production of a refinery, it gives an indecently large number of delays. It also happens that on a 30-charge store up to a dozen. And the cost of ammunition directly affects their quantity allocated to training practice.
        This means that either the persons armed with MPShkas shoot either a little, but are confident in the reliability of the weapon, or a lot, but are constantly waiting for a "wedge".
        The "brothers" will have to find a middle ground.
        1. Talgat I.
          Talgat I. 23 August 2019 16: 52
          0
          BPZ is not the best cartridge, but inexpensive and affordable. There are no delays from the Turkish MP-5mts3 a3! Here's another problem is that the BPZ produces cartridges with a steel sleeve, and steel is worse accuracy, quick wear of the barrel and the trigger. Imported brass sleeves, a soft yield is better accuracy, respectively, and the survivability of weapons is increased. But in the Russian Federation there is no such production of ammunition ...
          1. Ingenegr
            Ingenegr 23 August 2019 17: 12
            0
            Completely new MP-shki, if I understand correctly? Brand new products may have significantly less delays. I dealt with already "shot" samples, and they digest Barnaul cartridges very poorly.
            It is possible to draw an analogy with the "Glocks" under 9x19 Steam, which calmly "eat" cartridges with soft bullets, but very quickly begin to "goat" when firing our 7N21. As a rule, 2-3 hundreds of shots are enough.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 August 2019 11: 47
      -5
      Quote: loki565
      MP-5 is not the best choice

      Well, not with a shotgun, the "policemen" of the Square to run, the rating is not the same, but Heckler Koch is already cool (although "turchanko" is still a brand)
      1. jojick
        jojick 23 August 2019 16: 02
        0
        Yes, very cool. Especially the most mediocre and the most overpriced at the price alteration of the AR-15 for a short piston stroke.
  2. Shuttle
    Shuttle 23 August 2019 10: 14
    +7
    Despite the fact that the MP-5 is already, as it were, an old man born in 1963, it is a decent machine. Not CP-2 "Veresk", of course, but still quite workable.
    Interestingly, it turns out that the Turks maintain the German quality of production?
  3. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 23 August 2019 10: 17
    +2
    And what is the point of replacing AKSU with this software? I see no other reasons than the desire to bring the appearance of a policeman to a West Hollywood picture. , no more . But what is this PP qualitatively will increase the level of local teaching staff point blank I do not understand. Moreover, it costs a lot of money .. the truth and kickbacks mean a lot.
    1. yehat
      yehat 23 August 2019 11: 06
      0
      the meaning of the replacement is in the effect of a firefight in a crowded place - much fewer "left" victims are expected from the MP-5.
      in theory, the purchase of MP-5 may be related to the aggravation of police actions on the streets and patrolling.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 23 August 2019 11: 12
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        the meaning of the replacement in the effect of a shootout in a crowded place - about

        The difference in the use of ACSU and any short-circuit PP in a crowded place is within the statistical error. And in general, the use of automatic weapons in such a situation is the last thing, only a miracle will save the victims.
        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin 23 August 2019 11: 31
          0
          After all, there is a single shooting position.
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 23 August 2019 12: 49
          +2
          Well, in general, everything is complicated.
          5.56 / 5.45 - ricochets well and loses energy poorly. Roughly speaking, she can get away from which grill / fence through the window on the 3 floor and kill someone there. 9x19 will quickly lose energy on the rebound and will be much safer.

          Similarly, in visits to addresses. If you have to use a weapon - the pistol cartridge is more convenient and less side will come out.

          On the other hand, there is the experience of the United States - where, due to the free sale of weapons and armor, PP took root poorly. For it is very easy to meet a bandit in 3 class body armor and with a carbine. Yes, not so long ago - a massive shooter broke into the club, with PAGST + armor with a plate + with an Aroid on 100 cartridges and reserves. Such only to bring down from the Aroids - which is what they did (the shooter did not take into account that there was some kind of black party there and the outfit was on duty on the car).
          1. KVU-NSVD
            KVU-NSVD 23 August 2019 13: 01
            +1
            The question is whether the game is worth the candle. The event is expensive, financing is not very, therefore, all this canoe was started because of kickbacks. Communications, good armor plates and lapel webcams for local PPS officers would do more good. In general, small rebounds and low energy are certainly right for the police in the city, but it’s even more important to drive into each patrol head that the machine in the city is already an extreme of extreme territories.
        3. loki565
          loki565 23 August 2019 13: 35
          0
          Watching how to shoot, AKSU in the city is such entertainment)))
        4. Talgat I.
          Talgat I. 23 August 2019 16: 55
          0
          AKS-74U is a PDW concept weapon, a personal defensive weapon for officers, crews of military vehicles, etc.
          But not like a police weapon, an empy-file is the most time-tested and inexpensive Turkish license!
          1. Tank hard
            Tank hard 23 August 2019 18: 02
            0
            Quote: Talgat I.
            EMPF is the thing

            Controversial
            Quote: Talgat I.
            and time-tested

            PPSh (here you can insert many PP models) the same is tested by time, and even by wars, it is easier to disassemble - to assemble ...
            Quote: Talgat I.
            inexpensive turkish license!

            How "not expensive"?
            What can AK-based software no longer do?
            Forgotten how? There are no enterprises? Not kosher? Or stupidly sawing denyuzhku? feel
    2. Ezekiel 25-17
      Ezekiel 25-17 23 August 2019 11: 25
      +3
      PP, MP-5 in this case, a police-service weapon, and AKSU combat, for the army.
      1. hhurik
        hhurik 23 August 2019 12: 03
        +1
        Police will be confronted by bad characters with AK (stolen in the army and other structures) - with all the ensuing consequences for the servicemen with their spit. In Russia, this happened at one time, therefore, in the North Caucasus Federal District, roadblocks and police detachments are arming themselves at least with the same power as weapons likely to the enemy.
    3. Avior
      Avior 23 August 2019 12: 47
      0
      For the police, PP is better - fewer ricochets, slaughter range less, safer for others
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 August 2019 10: 20
    +6
    And they themselves can not do PP? Ukraine produced Tavora under the license, there is also a variant of the PP, It was possible to go along the Kalashnikov’s path, something like the PP Vmtyaz ...
    1. Ezekiel 25-17
      Ezekiel 25-17 23 August 2019 11: 26
      -2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And they themselves can not do PP? Ukraine produced Tavora under the license, there is also a variant of the PP, It was possible to go along the Kalashnikov’s path, something like the PP Vmtyaz ...

      But what about the rollback?
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 August 2019 11: 49
      -4
      Quote: Zaurbek
      It was possible to go along the Kalashnikov’s path, something like PP Vmtyaz ...

      Yes, it’s easier to replace PPSh and PPS, and you can produce them yourself (cartridges in a lot of warehouses).
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 23 August 2019 16: 15
        0
        These atavisms are not for peacetime ...., and so there are a lot of designs and you can not invent anything. And a great industry is not needed for this.
  5. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 23 August 2019 10: 20
    +11
    Personally, I welcome such news. The more differences from Russia and the legacy of the USSR, the better.
    I remember when, in the early days of the ATO, I wrote an article here on the site: "Another view: MiG-29 and Su-27 in the service of Bandera's men"
    The essence of which was to show schizophrenia already to a significant part of Ukrainian society at that moment, where the message was: "The USSR, this is their evil and scoop, but the An-225" Mriya "is supposedly a purely Ukrainian product!" In general, we were lucky that the designer Antonov had a classic Russian surname and he began his journey with a design bureau in Novosibirsk, because any Russian on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR who was sent there by the party / SA or was born there of Russian parents, automatically since 1991, is not just a citizen of Ukraine, but a Ukrainian. And if he is also a famous person like Igor Sikorsky, then he will not be saved even if he considered himself Russian in emigration, and his father was a member of the club of Russian nationalists. In their understanding, of course.
    Therefore, in 2014 and later, it was painful to watch as the Soviet military equipment that the country developed, which fought against Nazism and Bandera, and which Ukraine did not like to put it mildly, was used against those who ranked themselves as descendants of that Russian-speaking Soviet civilization.
    Let's be honest, because even Trump said that the USSR is Russia, it just changed the sign in the 1991 year.
    Therefore, let there be more differences from Russia. Let them finally carry out another language reform, where Putin is, they will have Pufin, and the city of Athens - Athena, etc. Let them go to the Latin alphabet. Why am I advocating for this? If there was less chance of Ukrainian identity penetrating into Russia, if God forbid, Yeltsin-2 would come to power, and a desire for a sausage to change identity arose. And so by that time, even the generation that studied at the Ukrainian school with an independent school, they will no longer be understood, unless of course they live abroad. But we hope that the Ukraine project will not survive so much.
    1. Kaw
      Kaw 23 August 2019 10: 41
      -1
      Therefore, let there be more differences from Russia. Let them finally carry out another language reform, where Putin is, they will have Pufin, and the city of Athens - Athena, etc. Let them go to the Latin alphabet. Why am I advocating for this? If there was less chance of Ukrainian identity penetrating into Russia, if God forbid, Yeltsin-2 would come to power, and a desire for a sausage to change identity arose.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 23 August 2019 10: 52
        -2
        Quote: Kaw
        Therefore, let there be more differences from Russia. Let them finally carry out another language reform, where Putin is, they will have Pufin, and the city of Athens - Athena, etc. Let them go to the Latin alphabet. Why am I advocating for this? If there was less chance of Ukrainian identity penetrating into Russia, if God forbid, Yeltsin-2 would come to power, and a desire for a sausage to change identity arose.

        And iiiii? What did you want to say? I’ll open up the idea broader, it’s no secret that the part of the so-called humanitarian elite of Ukraine, which even asked the ethnic Russians of the first generation who studied at the schools of the RSFSR, simply sent a party and a plant to Ukraine to Ukraine, it is experiencing claims on the lands of Kuban, Rostov and Belgorod areas. Think of the rest yourself when modeling various negative scenarios in geopolitics around Russia.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 23 August 2019 12: 26
          -2
          Therefore, let there be more differences from Russia. Let them finally carry out another language reform
          In the transcription of Kulish, "May Israel trust in the Lord" sounded like "Hai dufae Srul on Pan". Are "Hai Dufae Srul na Pana" the words of the Little Russian dialect? Or is this the notorious "Ukrainian language"? Where did this concept of "Ukrainian language" come from, in general? Until 1991, almost no one of the inhabitants of the Ukrainian SSR spoke or wrote in the Little Russian dialect, although no one forbade it. This is how you can pre-Ukrainianize.
    2. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 23 August 2019 11: 40
      -3
      and the city of Athens is Ateni,


      Αθήνα, [aˈθina]) - Atina. Ѳ - Greek "tita", Old Greek - "theta". Atina, Methodius, Temistokl, Theophan.

      And they laugh at you, but what about this - every nation has the right to distort the names of others, according to its own level of incompetence.
  6. EnGenius
    EnGenius 23 August 2019 10: 26
    -1
    MP5 is not that compact. Can scare the townsfolk or you can carry in a patrol car. In theory, regular pistols of 9 mm or 10 mm caliber should be enough. For special forces, MP5 is also not always applicable and effective. It is likely that the Turkish copy is much cheaper than the original German counterpart.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 23 August 2019 10: 33
      0
      MP5 is very popular around the world. The Turks, at one time, bought a license and produce G-3 assault rifles and their development and MP5.
      1. yehat
        yehat 23 August 2019 10: 46
        -1
        Turks generally produce a lot under outdated German licenses from vacuum cleaners and washing machines to engines and other things.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 August 2019 12: 52
        0
        Quote: Zaurbek
        MP5 is very popular around the world.

        Of course, Heckler & Koch makes an excellent weapon. It is purely German rifles that are famous. I had to talk in the 70s with a "girl" model G3 with German optics, a song.
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard 23 August 2019 20: 24
          0
          Quote: tihonmarine
          I had to talk in the 70s with the "girl" of the G3 model with German optics, song

          If I am offered a choice, G3 or AKM, I will choose AKM, and this is not a matter of spiritual fasteners, the answer is simple - simplicity and reliability, and even if cartridges are 5.56x45, the choice will be for Kalashnikov for this caliber. The reason is the same ... Although, to each - his own. request
          Quote: tihonmarine
          It is purely German rifles are famous.

          Quote: tihonmarine
          G3 models

          There, the main thing when disassembling - assembling small parts is not to lose, but sometimes it is necessary to disassemble all one ... feel
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 23 August 2019 22: 08
            0
            With optics, it means for a different purpose this weapon than the Kalashnikov. I have nothing against him.
            1. Tank hard
              Tank hard 23 August 2019 22: 14
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              With optics, it means for a different purpose this weapon than "Kalashnikov"

              In urban battles (including Grozny), they say they put optics on Kalashnikov and successfully used them for the purposes you write about. wink
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 23 August 2019 22: 32
                0
                Quote: Tank Hard
                about which you write.

                Not in Russia. And time was another country.
  7. Izotovp
    Izotovp 23 August 2019 10: 32
    -1
    Ours, on the basis of AM, needs to bring to the international market a modular platform for 9x19; .45; 5,56 ... the popularity will be furious))
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 23 August 2019 12: 58
      -2
      Our AM-based needs to bring to the international market a modular platform for 9x19;

      9X19 already exists - PP "Vityaz". By the way, "Alpha" is in service.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 23 August 2019 13: 05
        0
        I know that. MA has better ergonomics. And the .45 caliber asks there.
  8. yehat
    yehat 23 August 2019 10: 44
    0
    Quote: private person
    ut all the zest is that they abandoned the Kalash and PM they are geyropeytsy now.

    1. The main highlight is completely different. This is a priority project, as if Ukraine has no other problems.
    2. with any senseless movement you can warm your hands, such as with a wall or urgent replacement of mortars
  9. yehat
    yehat 23 August 2019 10: 48
    -2
    Quote: engenius
    MP5 is not that compact.

    the main thing is that it is not very long. and the cartridge is not too penetrating stopping action is not prone to ricochets. In principle, the base is healthy, only for dozens of years of operation have you come up with something better.
    for example, in the USA the police are actively arming themselves with its modification of the HK UMP for .45 ACP (11,43 × 23 mm) caliber, the French are unhappy with the hk mp5 and hk g36 and are buying other trunks.
    the Israelis are more likely to buy an ultrasound.
    the Chinese are buying their Chang Feng, type 06, type 64
    frankly, I would have looked at the place of the Ukrainians far from mp-5
    in terms of price-quality, the best are Russian and Chinese options.
  10. eagle owl
    eagle owl 23 August 2019 10: 50
    -3
    How long does it take to sell them left? winked
  11. SHIPS
    SHIPS 23 August 2019 11: 05
    -3
    What are the problems?
    For the city and the myrrh, 9 mm and a low bullet speed is the thing.
    And programs with tactics from the EU police are prescribed for this weapon.
    About Cedar and Chestnut in the course?
  12. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 23 August 2019 11: 19
    -4
    At first, they agreed with Germany on the purchase of MP-5. Looks like the Turks healed them well and were able to shove them, another batch of scrap metal. Yes, and the MP-5 is not the best option for replacing the AK, even for them.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 August 2019 22: 12
      0
      Wow, as Democrats and dill are minus, I even liked it, it is clear that our komenty eat them cool.
  13. yehat
    yehat 23 August 2019 11: 24
    -1
    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    The difference in the use of ACSU and any short-circuit PP in a crowded place is within the statistical error.

    Well here is a simple example. DPS outfit stops the car with fire.
    AKSU shooting - the whole car is riddled completely, all are killed
    shooting from the MP-5 - the whole car is in the marks, but on the one hand, passengers escaped with wounds, mostly light. Killed no more than 10%.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 23 August 2019 11: 46
      0
      And if a return fire is fired from this car, then there will be nothing to stop it. The entire outfit of the traffic police will die, and those living will remain and will be able to hide.
  14. Normal ok
    Normal ok 23 August 2019 11: 27
    +1
    Yuzal is somehow Turkish MP-5 (fenced). Comfortable, high quality. There were no serious questions for him (I’ll say right away that I am an artilleryman and not a special forces soldier). The retail price of the civilian version in Ukraine is a little more than 1000 USD Most likely with bulk purchase. the price will be much lower.
    But, personally, I like Taurus more. But, it costs two and a half times more expensive (I take the price tag for weapons from stores).
    1. hhurik
      hhurik 23 August 2019 12: 25
      -1
      Not bad (a piece of bucks). In Russia, there are 5 pieces, they also screwed up the trunk, they welded a false tube.
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 23 August 2019 12: 42
        -2
        Quote: hhurik
        Not bad (a piece of bucks). In Russia, there are 5 pieces, they also screwed up the trunk, they welded a false tube.

        To be precise, about 1200-1400. I looked closely at 2018. - Now it may be different.
        Py.Sy. Turkish weapons in Ukraine are cheaper than in Russia, probably sanctions give traders the opportunity to weld more. Bought Armsan A612. It is quite satisfied. Price 1100 cu: https://stvol.ua/catalog/oruzhie/filter/proizvoditel-is-5eb5b243-cf1a-11e1-bdb4-1cc1de282cXNUM/
        1. hhurik
          hhurik 23 August 2019 12: 57
          +1
          Well, FIG knows - with pricing, the Italian Beretta-storm under 9x19 (much more thought out and adapted for civilian use) costs two pieces, and people think that it’s expensive, it’s on the shelves. A small batch of insanely expensive Turkish puloka a la castrated MP-5 with a false glushak - were grinded in due time. IMHO, the harmful effects of mass culture.
        2. yehat
          yehat 23 August 2019 13: 29
          -1
          hmm listened to you and thought - the howitzer in the backyard behind the house looks good ... feel
          but you have to start little by little, with machine guns ...
      2. Talgat I.
        Talgat I. 23 August 2019 17: 38
        0
        The Turks have a good assortment:

  15. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 23 August 2019 11: 33
    -5
    Saucepans have now become Ropeians, weapons are also now, but also Ropeisk. It’s necessary to keep the brand
  16. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 23 August 2019 12: 07
    -3
    They did well to equip these "guardsmen" with different weapons, now it will be easier to understand who they shot "by mistake".
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 August 2019 12: 53
      +1
      This is ordinary police.
  17. fruit_cake
    fruit_cake 23 August 2019 12: 19
    -2
    they have already begun to buy pork
    1. Mixanchik
      Mixanchik 23 August 2019 16: 33
      -2
      Quote: fruit_cake
      they have already begun to buy pork

      It all started when the EU Outskirts of Salo themselves were forbidden to salt, but only to buy .. This is a condition for joining Europe, now they’re buying weapons, the condition for joining NATO .. ​​Oh, naive! Shameful ..
  18. Amateur
    Amateur 23 August 2019 12: 41
    -2
    Quote: yehat
    shooting from the MP-5 - the whole car is in the marks, but on the one hand, passengers escaped with wounds, mostly light. Killed no more than 10%.

    I cried!
    Standard passenger car - 5 passengers. One passenger = 100% / 5 = 20% (I specifically cite in detail, because recently several hours counted the Chinese in Hong Kong).
    Minimum% of passengers in a car is 20%. Only the Author knows how to make "no more than 10%". Probably another "humanist".
    1. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 24 August 2019 05: 47
      0
      There was still a dog.
  19. E.S.
    E.S. 23 August 2019 13: 30
    -2
    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Zaurbek
    MP5 is very popular around the world.

    Of course, Heckler & Koch makes an excellent weapon. It is purely German rifles that are famous. I had to talk in the 70s with a "girl" model G3 with German optics, a song.

    Yeah, especially the G-36 they turned out successfully, almost as strong as a Chinese screwdriver for 899 rubles, the plastic does not hold tightly in the hands and the descent is the same as that of a screwdriver.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 August 2019 22: 19
      0
      Quote: E.S.
      the plastic does not hold tightly in the hands and the descent is the same as that of a screwdriver.

      I'm not a builder, I didn’t hold a screwdriver. Thank.
  20. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 23 August 2019 13: 31
    0
    I don’t know how Turkish MP-5 is in quality, but in general a submachine gun is good.
  21. Mixanchik
    Mixanchik 23 August 2019 16: 28
    -3
    Could immediately buy everything from Israel, which is modest and quiet ... And so it’s clear who is in power in Kiev! wink
  22. Talgat I.
    Talgat I. 23 August 2019 17: 48
    0
    This version with an integrated silencer MP-5MTS3 A3, a convenient replacement for the AS "Val" machine gun, and with good optics and VSS "Vintorez", the same range of real fire, destructive power, if you use Subsonic subsonic cartridges, then masking the sound of a bullet flight!
    inexpensive and eliminates the need for special patrons in the unit!
    1. hhurik
      hhurik 23 August 2019 18: 49
      0
      How does this save you, if at least you have to have a sabsonik (exclusively for Glushak) and ordinary cartridges, and make efforts so as not to confuse them? And they will be surely beguiled, at the most crucial moment - do not go to a fortuneteller, and as a result, they will mess up due to the displacement of the STP, glitches of working with another weight of gunpowder, etc.

      This solution (such as a universal bullet-gun with a cap and a second sight, only different ammunition) - became outdated in the middle of the last century, in the USSR it was implemented on Kalashoids 7,62 with US cartridges. In general, rejected by practice, why a family of weapons appeared under the SP-5, SP-6, etc.

      And so: you famously put in one row a frail, consumer-friendly, weakened pistol cartridge and in fact a full-fledged specialized machine gun with a bullet weight of as much as 16 g.
      1. Talgat I.
        Talgat I. 23 August 2019 20: 46
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        In fact, ordinary cartridges, with and without a glushak !!! including Subsonic, shoots without glushak.
        and an integrated silencer generally removes problems with or without a plug!
        normal fighter does not confuse !!!!
        at least there are no such problems!
        1. hhurik
          hhurik 23 August 2019 21: 22
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          Do you know that different batches of the same ammunition - have different STP? For this reason, experienced people immediately acquire a lot of rounds - but one batch, and take on the case proven, under which weapons are shot. So that later it would not be excruciatingly painful.

          In your introductory general - users get not only frail, weakened compared to even a standard pistol for 9X19 automatic weapons, it will not be possible to use cartridges of a different design and power (armor-piercing, expansive, high-speed, etc.), because this will lead to destruction permanent nozzle. When removing the plug - STP will also run away. And if he can stand it, you still won’t hit the target, due to the lack of a special pillar on the PC.

          For information, AKM assault rifles under the control unit have a completely different aiming bar with a clamp, different from the standard one, for the obvious reason that the trajectories of the supersonic and subsonic cartridges do not coincide.

          The problems are the sea, from logistics to technical, practical exhaust is zero.
          1. Talgat I.
            Talgat I. 23 August 2019 21: 29
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            US for Kalashmat - a problem! And about the aiming bar, I know.
            Luger for MP-5 for various purposes - not a problem!
            STP for a submachine gun is not a big problem !!!
          2. Talgat I.
            Talgat I. 23 August 2019 21: 30
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            I emphasize - an integrated silencer !!!!!!!!!
            1. hhurik
              hhurik 23 August 2019 21: 38
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              Have you ever cleaned a weapon with a silencer after firing?laughing
              By the way, since everything is "not a problem" for you: will an entot muffled PP break through a wet cotton padded jacket, or will it not? And then there are doubts.
              1. Talgat I.
                Talgat I. 23 August 2019 22: 05
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                It will strike without any problems !!!
                Something I doubt your knowledge of the 9x19 mm Para / Luger ebout!
                And I will discover America, imported cartridges such as Fiocchi, do not leave soot, coke, fat and soot! It is enough just to rub and grease only rubbing parts with a thin film.
                Here are the GOST cartridges (Soviet / Russian) with terrible gunpowder! Speak about this problem yourself, you can only clean weapons after firing with such cartridges using some kind of mother, with sandpaper, a needle, sand, Scarb, RFE! Greasy, wet and coking gunpowder ....
                There are no such problems with NATO standard cartridges !!!! Ask hunters using imported cartridges
                1. hhurik
                  hhurik 23 August 2019 22: 23
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                  But the pea jacket and undercoat at the same time - break? Wet and frozen? lol

                  Fiocchi only pulled the TT-nd: frail, gunpowder, apparently stealing. Well, or they’re not reporting for some reason, like, for rare pestles, so as not to burst. But cleanly, yes.
                  1. Talgat I.
                    Talgat I. 23 August 2019 23: 22
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                    Go fight take a wet pea jacket!
                    1. hhurik
                      hhurik 24 August 2019 09: 31
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                      Required laughing And AKM. I read at a specialized forum a man from the service staff of Americans in Iraq (a private company), he told how the Germans solemnly rolled there to accompany the goods. With MP-5, everything is feng shui.

                      On the same day, they fired from dunes from 300 meters from Kalash, and they could not answer - their spit simply did not reach the opponent. They crawled timidly under the wheels of a vehicle and tried to get into the sand.
                      The next day, they drove in chorus to the local market, where they bought AKM for their hard-earned money, and worked with them in the future.
                      1. Talgat I.
                        Talgat I. 24 August 2019 09: 59
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                        everything has its purpose!
                        Naturally you need appropriate weapons for various scenarios!
                        speech about the police of Ukraine!
                      2. hhurik
                        hhurik 24 August 2019 11: 40
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                        Well? In 404 - a civil war that year, with all the attendant phenomena: deserters, theft and mass sale of army weapons to the population. Police with firing pistol cartridge confront people with AK.
                      3. Talgat I.
                        Talgat I. 24 August 2019 11: 56
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                        Is that a child !?
                        And I have a tank!
                        And I have an atomic bomb !!!)))))
                      4. hhurik
                        hhurik 24 August 2019 18: 20
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                        I am young and soul-conscious (see avatar) wassat Essentially - can you say something, okromya lying about tank bombs?
                      5. Talgat I.
                        Talgat I. 24 August 2019 18: 26
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                        Essentially!
                        Police officers in general with the PM are serving. Rarely with the AKS-74U. So what is better empe-five ....
                        But to whom am I telling ...
                        You’ll need to serve in anti-tank artillery there, you need them (with a la carte)
  23. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 August 2019 19: 17
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    From the point of view of "decommunization" and reducing the likelihood of ricochets when calculating shooting at unprotected people, this is the right decision. For the rest ... MP-5 is like AKS-74U in size, heavier in weight, worse in reliability and ease of operation. But "all the worlds".
  24. APASUS
    APASUS 23 August 2019 19: 53
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    The rearmament of the units of the National Police of Ukraine with Heckler & Koch MP-5 submachine guns was announced in May this year,

    Is this a step to Europe or an escape from Russian weapons? With such flaws, what was the point?
    The cost of manufacturing MP5 is higher than a free-gun submachine gun.
    Very sharp and poorly controlled weapon recoil in general. The MP5 jumps up a lot when firing even in short bursts.
    Low reliability due to high sensitivity to contamination.
    A careful selection of cartridges is required, weapons are not recommended to be loaded with cartridges with an expansive / half-shell bullet in general because of problems with the delivery of cartridges from the magazine to the barrel (sticking). The best ammunition for the MP5 are cartridges with a shell (FMJ) bullet weighing 124 grains (8 grams), the use of cartridges with a light bullet weighing 115 grains (7,45 grams) leads to a strong drop in fire accuracy even at a small-over 25 meters distance . A cartridge with a heavier one - more than 9 grams, a bullet, or a cartridge + P or + P + creates a very strong return due to the characteristics of the bolt and the reciprocating spring, which in this case must be changed to a harder one, which further worsens the accuracy and accuracy of fire.
    A relatively long reloading procedure - for this you need to pull the shutter and place the handle in the groove of the slide delay, then change the magazine, and then remove the shutter from the delay by pressing the handle. Changing a partially empty store to a full one requires a lot of physical effort. These shortcomings are common to all weapons based on the G3 rifle.
  25. komandir8
    komandir8 23 August 2019 22: 34
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    The cost of production of MP5 is higher than a free-pistol submachine gun. A relatively long reloading procedure - to do this, pull the shutter and place the handle in the shutter delay groove, then change the magazine, and then remove the shutter from the delay by pressing the handle. At the same time, due to design features, it is impossible to replace a partially empty magazine with a full one, simply changing them - the shutter will still need to be set to a delay, while the cartridge located in the chamber will be extracted. Thus, despite firing from a closed bolt, the weapon cannot be equipped with a full magazine and at the same time with this additional cartridge in the chamber. These features are common to all weapons based on the G3 rifle.
  26. E.S.
    E.S. 23 August 2019 22: 45
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: E.S.
    the plastic does not hold tightly in the hands and the descent is the same as that of a screwdriver.

    I'm not a builder, I didn’t hold a screwdriver. Thank.

    Hold the G36, the Chinese screwdriver is exactly the same