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Russian general spoke about the possible deployment of US missiles in Europe

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An emergency meeting will be held today at the UN Security Council at the initiative of Russia and China. It is dedicated to the recent test of a U.S. ground-based medium-range missile. In connection with the tests conducted by the American side, the question arises: are the US going to deploy its medium-range ground-based missiles in Europe, including using objects in Devesela (Romania) and Redsikovo (Poland), or are these tests primarily for China?


Russian general spoke about the possible deployment of US missiles in Europe


The Military Review asked the expert, the chairman of the presidium of the Russian Officers, Hero of Russia, Major General Sergey Lipov to answer this question:

In Romania, the Aegis Ashore ground-based missile defense systems are already deployed today. It is proposed to install these complexes in Poland. In addition, no one will be surprised if the technical capabilities of the complexes are expanded. At least, in the USA they do not hide such desires - why would it have been different to leave the INF Treaty?

America argues that this is necessary to counter Iran. But this is all a lie. For a strike on Iran, the Americans will have enough of its deck aviation and the Saudi Air Force. And the missiles in Romania and Poland are aimed at the destruction of our intercontinental ballistic missiles. Moreover, this is only the first point of the American plan - further there is the deployment of marine components in the northern seas, in the Black Sea, the deployment of missile defense systems in Japan.

According to the general, the United States may well rely on Polish and Romanian targets in order to attempt to threaten Russia, including with the use of intermediate and shorter-range missiles.

Sergey Lipovoy:

The Russian response to this will be new ballistic missiles capable of breaking through any missile defense system. In other words, in the event of a real war, all of Europe will be the target for our strike. Europe understands this, which means that the United States will face serious opposition. However, this is unlikely to frighten the Americans, they will once again skate along their allies, and those who disagree will receive sanctions and anger from overseas.

The Hero of Russia accused the Soviet authorities of the Soviet era in shaping such a situation:

Such impudent US behavior is an echo of the criminal mistakes of the Gorbachev administration, which unilaterally destroyed the entire Soviet “security belt” in Eastern Europe, with the approval of its Western curators. That is why NATO today stands on the borders of Russia. But, thank God, we have something to answer. And the answer for all of NATO can be crushing.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 August 2019 13: 33
    +7
    The Hero of Russia accused the Soviet authorities of the Soviet era in shaping such a situation:
    The thing to do is to oppose, and not to tongue strum. To deploy RSD complexes in Venezuela, Cuba, Chukotka.
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 22 August 2019 13: 53
      +7
      We would be glad, but first of all, Cuba and Venezuela are afraid, firstly, we have no money for this. These are psheks and so forth. They pay for mattresses with their mattresses, it will fly us a penny
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 22 August 2019 14: 04
        +10
        Quote: maxim947
        We would be glad, but first of all, Cuba and Venezuela are afraid, firstly, we have no money for this. These are psheks and so forth. They pay for mattresses with their mattresses, it will fly us a penny

        Not more expensive than our lives.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 22 August 2019 19: 08
          +5
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: maxim947
          We would be glad, but first of all, Cuba and Venezuela are afraid, firstly, we have no money for this. These are psheks and so forth. They pay for mattresses with their mattresses, it will fly us a penny

          Not more expensive than our lives.

          In the yard of capitalism, few people are interested in your life.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 22 August 2019 16: 33
        +1
        About "they are afraid" they told you personally or where they wrote, from where infa?
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 22 August 2019 16: 49
          0
          If they hadn’t been afraid, they would have suggested it long ago.
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 22 August 2019 18: 36
            +2
            It is not a matter of fear, but the fact that the United States can twist the whole of Europe and Central Asia separately, because these slugs alone, they are ALL - NO ONE and can not be called (with rare exceptions).
            The way out of this situation is cruel, but the only one :: publish in the civilian media information about the same Deveselu and Redzikovo, which should contain the EXACT geographical coordinates and flight time of the "weapon of revenge", which will be launched immediately after the known actions of NATO and the United States committed against Russia, regardless of whether American (or other weapons from positions located in these settlements or not) participated, along with data on nuclear effects on the civilian population that WILL be hit in these NPs.
            They do not want to believe in the word of Russia - let them be afraid.
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 22 August 2019 21: 56
        0
        We already have nowhere to put money. Look at the size of the NWF. I think there’s no need to make money on security ..... anyway, if that ... they’ll take them abroad
        1. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 22 August 2019 22: 27
          0
          It is not so much the money as such, but whose hands they are in.
    2. dauria
      dauria 22 August 2019 14: 12
      -4
      To deploy RSD complexes in Venezuela, Cuba, Chukotka.


      On the moon, you can .... Is it difficult to understand a simple thing? Russia is not afraid of Washington. They are afraid of China with its economy and the ability to crush Russia under them, forcing them to become their ally. Their miscalculation. They raised China with the hope of confrontation between the USSR and China. And we raised our legs and fell apart. And they put pressure on Russia for one purpose - to exclude the rapprochement of us with the Chinese and to make it their "ally" - consumable meat.
      It reminds England of its policy before the Second World War - not to interfere with the Fuhrer so that France does not imagine anything unnecessary. Yes, the trouble is, the French didn’t arrange a kneading, but simply raised their paws.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 22 August 2019 14: 25
        +7
        Russia is not afraid of Washington.
        Suggest disarm? feel
        A simple thing is not possible to understand, a simple liberalist. Russia is afraid of Washington by the mere fact of its existence. China is militarily weak, and it can be economically dropped in half a year. So why should the US fight with him? The entire Chinese economy for export is built. Cut the way to the EU and close its market for six months and China will not be as a country. But this is not to be understood by the liberals, everything would only be crushed. feelListen to Schoolboy's lecture on the future of China.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 22 August 2019 14: 51
          -3
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Cut the way to the EU and close its market for six months and China will not be as a country. But this is not to be understood by the liberals, everything would only be crushed.

          In China, the one and only problem is food. You can’t even imagine the possibility of a Chinese worker (soldier) capable of doing work (serving) on ​​a meager ration. It was there, in Moscow, that they voiced the absence of sausages in the early 90s and jamon and parmesan after 2014. The Chinese will not vote. And to put under arms up to 600 people they will not be difficult. So, it is not known who will crush whom.
          I can definitely say that with the blockade of Russian exports and the creation of certain pressure on the Russian oligarchs, a shortage of products and the absence of the most ordinary jobs may arise in the country.
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Russia is afraid of Washington by the mere fact of its existence.

          What are you saying! Apparently with fear, some gentlemen from Russia prefer to have American visas, residence permits and keep their relatives in NATO countries. In that form of the political system, Russia can only express bewilderment and concern.
          Brzezinski's famous quote about the Russian elite ...

          Try to solve your problems. Solving the problems of other countries and peoples is beyond our competence and even the Schoolboy, who cannot distinguish, let alone write, a dozen hieroglyphs.
          1. Chaldon48
            Chaldon48 22 August 2019 22: 39
            +1
            China will never, as an "ally", defend Russia. It is we who are always ready to shed our blood for the brothers of the Slavs, even when they do not ask us about it. Under the USSR, we still had "brothers" in spirit who seemed to be eager to build socialism. So they climbed into Vietnam, and then Afghanistan. China is for itself, if something happens, it will accept help, and then, you yourself know.
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 22 August 2019 15: 21
          -1
          Russia is scary to Washington with one fact of its existence

          It’s scary at all.
          China is weak military

          That one is already funny. Militarily, China will be noticeably stronger than Russia. Because it has a working industry and implements its weapons and rearmament programs regularly.
          and economically you can drop it in half a year

          It is impossible. It’s just not possible.
          China's entire economy built for export

          And around it is the rest of the global economy.
          . Cut the way to the EU and close its market for six months and China will not be like a country

          Or they will adapt to domestic consumption and to vassal allies, of which China also has plenty.
          1. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 22 August 2019 16: 00
            -2
            Or they will adapt to domestic consumption and to vassal allies, of which China also has plenty.
            Nonsense. Chinese goods are not needed by the poor allies of South-East Asia and Indonesia. The domestic market needs the purchasing power of the population, not $ 1-2 per day.
            And around it is the rest of the global economy.
            That's good for the USA. Bang all their competitors in bulk, without a headache.
            It is impossible. It’s just not possible.
            Can. It’s just that possible.
            That one is already funny. Militarily, China will be noticeably stronger than Russia. Because it has a working industry and implements its weapons and rearmament programs regularly.
            Or you didn’t look at the beginning of the dispute and go the wrong way, or you don’t understand what the country's armed forces are. China can build ships, planes, tanks in batches, call in millions, and even increase the number of warheads, but remain weak militarily because it has a perfect and diverse nuclear weapons, the last argument of kings. Chinese robots will never create anything, only coping. Generals are preparing for past wars. In China, the very weapon.
            Russia is fearless in general.
            Well, you are a daredevil, and Washington is scared. The only country that can sweep the United States off the map and declared that we do not need a world without Russia. Those. we are ready to "bang the whole world in dust."
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 22 August 2019 17: 09
              0
              Nonsense. Chinese goods are not needed by the poor allies of South-East Asia and Indonesia. The domestic market needs the purchasing power of the population, not $ 1-2 per day.

              And she has been nurtured there for a decade by this internal purchasing power. In the coastal regions of China, where by the way the majority of the population lives, no one or almost no one lives for 1-2 bucks a day. Forget these fables of 20-40 years ago.
              That's good for the USA. Bang all their competitors in bulk, without a headache.

              yeah ... and myself for one.
              Can. It’s just that possible.

              Well, let's agree that we did not agree on this issue.
              but to remain weak militarily for a perfect and diverse nuclear weapons, the last argument of kings, he lacks

              Firstly, China does not disclose information about its nuclear weapons, where and how much. It can easily turn out that he has more of it than Russia and the USA combined, or at least parity.
              Secondly, no, a nuclear country, even inferior in Russia’s nuclear potential with a huge modern and well-trained army, cannot remain militarily weak. Including because nuclear weapons is only the last argument. Do not substitute facts with your national pride.
              Chinese robots will never create anything, only coping.

              Strange, gunpowder, compass, paper created. Siege machines for the siege of fortified cities created. But they definitely won’t create anything else .. Yeah.
              It is precisely because they will not create anything that all Western technical universities are crammed with the Chinese, precisely because they cannot create it.
              Well, you are a daredevil, and Washington is scared. The only country that can sweep the United States off the map and declared that we do not need a world without Russia. Those. we are ready to "bang the whole world in dust."

              The rhetoric is strong, but what is really behind this rhetoric is a big question. Including the ability to "bang". Including purely technical.
              1. Antares
                Antares 22 August 2019 21: 34
                -1
                Quote: alexmach
                Strange, gunpowder, compass, paper created. Siege machines for the siege of fortified cities created. But they certainly won’t create anything else.

                In the Middle Ages, they created various missiles, used them on Koreans and Japanese (they also launched a missile race), built the largest ships in the world (the Middle Ages), discovered new lands and mapped Asia. Their Great Geographical Discoveries of Asia. Many discoveries, observations, in all areas of knowledge ..
                who ever invented that in China (which is many thousands of years old) nothing was created independently ????
                A very developed civilization ... with great potential and a rich historical contribution to the development of mankind.
                Chauvinism aside ...
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 22 August 2019 21: 52
                  +1
                  who ever invented that in China (which is many thousands of years old) nothing was created independently ????

                  The British are likely. They tell us exactly the same thing about us.
                2. PROXOR
                  PROXOR 23 August 2019 12: 40
                  +1
                  What are you arguing about? We look at the story. Everything described above was created in imperial China. Which disappeared from maps in the early 20th century. Moreover, the Japanese did not bother to conquer it.
                  Let's face the facts for now:
                  1) China still CANNOT create its own jet engine. Its fighters fly on purchased from us AL-31F and it is a fact;
                  2) The Chinese Navy floats on turbines purchased under a license - you could not create it yourself. IT IS A FACT;
                  3) The Chinese armored units are provided with vehicles that in their root have all the same Soviet T72. They took his shell, and stuffed with imported more powerful diesels and imported electronics. NOTHING IS CREATED BY YOURSELF. AND IT IS ALSO A FACT;
                  4) Nuclear power and the creation of a nuclear bomb require nuclear physicists of an outstanding level. Such were in the USSR (Kurchastov, Sakharov). In China, they simply DO NOT. All the nuclear weapons that China has now are all purchased from around the world during the collapse of the USSR from other countries. They CAN'T create their own warhead and this is also a FACT;
                  5) TU-16 bomber still stands on the armed service of China, which has been removed from service with us for 50 years now. China can’t create an alternative to it. Everything rests on the same problem - ENGINES. And this is also a fact.

                  What we have as a result: Having an advantage in quantitative terms, China loses in quality on the ground and in the air (without our dryers). It has a decent navy, which is not a significant problem for Russia with its vast continental territories. And as a fact, we have a huge park of motley weak equipment, which will only play the role of "MEAT". Without conditional - it takes a long time to build equipment and plant the people of China in it - but the question is HOW MUCH? Comparison with the USSR is meaningless, if only on the basis that the USSR has the very same raw material base. China does not have such reserves.

                  And the most important thing.
                  The Chinese are not Japanese. They are not allowed to fight to the last. The whole story shows that the Chinese army is running as soon as it is pressed. The same story with the Vietnamese and the clash on about. Damansky showed that the Chinese NEFIG NOT WAR.
        3. Antares
          Antares 22 August 2019 21: 37
          -1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Russia is afraid of Washington by the mere fact of its existence.

          she is not afraid. It just plays its part. The role of a gopnik with nuclear weapons is also necessary and important. While they give money for it.
          China is a big business. There are interests in the billion and trillion dollars ..
          The count is weak military - he has the largest army in the world.
          As for dropping the economy - the whole world will also go down and everyone will become poorer, including the United States. Who cuts a chicken that lays golden eggs?
          And by the way, the Chinese are very hardworking and very patient!
          1. SHIPS
            SHIPS 23 August 2019 07: 49
            -5
            They know this, so they don't make sudden movements and "cook the frog by gradually bringing the water to a boil."
            Amers analogue chop tail in parts. Sanctions are staggered, money is flowing to the United States along with brains from Russia.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 August 2019 14: 18
      +3
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Deploy RSD complexes in Venezuela, Cuba

      Cuba and Venezuela have already given their consent? What are you in foreign countries, how do you manage your kitchen?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 22 August 2019 16: 04
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Deploy RSD complexes in Venezuela, Cuba

        Cuba and Venezuela have already given their consent? What are you in foreign countries, how do you manage your kitchen?

        I have the right. The question of the existence of the whole world, nuclear war on the nose. We lag behind, so the papers have not been signed yet. feel
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 22 August 2019 18: 28
          -2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          I have the right.

          Well, not a damn cool guy. Self-esteem rolls over. How much do you need to eat for this? Who gave you this right to dispose of the world is interesting to know? fool
        2. Doliva63
          Doliva63 22 August 2019 19: 13
          +1
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Deploy RSD complexes in Venezuela, Cuba

          Cuba and Venezuela have already given their consent? What are you in foreign countries, how do you manage your kitchen?

          I have the right. The question of the existence of the whole world, nuclear war on the nose. We lag behind, so the papers have not been signed yet. feel

          The question of the existence of the world was resolved with the collapse of the Union. There is no more peace and never will be. Otherwise, nuclear war. Your suggestions to Putin?
  2. Orkraider
    Orkraider 22 August 2019 13: 37
    +11
    No need to regret the past; the past cannot be changed. But the future must be built on the basis of analysis, including past mistakes ...
    We remember how our opponents observe the treaty and draw conclusions. Once the contract becomes unprofitable for them, they are tearing it apart. It’s time for us to do the same, in principle, we are already starting, and this is good.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 22 August 2019 13: 50
      +4
      It is necessary to destroy the system itself, which allows the clans of the oligarchs to profit from wars and weapons. Until the people realize this and a large-scale investigation of the financing of conflicts and incitement to hatred begins, it is useless to talk about anything.
      1. Mestny
        Mestny 22 August 2019 14: 54
        0
        And to start that - again with us?
        And the rest of the "oligarchs" will be interested in watching from abroad, how are we doing there? And of course they will wait 50 years until we build a new USSR.
        So what?
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 22 August 2019 15: 02
        +1
        Quote: Vita VKO
        It is necessary to destroy the system itself, which allows clans of oligarchs to profit

        yes
        I can’t understand one thing - is there really a huge pro-government lobby on the site that considers Putin’s ETERNAL BOARD and the development of liberal market relations to be the solution to all problems?
        You, gentlemen, minusers, at least somehow justified your opinion, otherwise you take advantage of the impossibility of identification and mark quite sensible thoughts, like ... your own territory.
        The future of Russia is only in a renewed socialist system, and no one can prove the opposite, because the time for reforms has been lost and we know all the charms of capitalist rights and freedoms that amused us in the past Soviet times in the plots of foreign films.
  3. Zhan
    Zhan 22 August 2019 13: 48
    +4
    No wonder a year ago in minutes. The defense raised the issue of the dual purpose of missile defense systems in Poland. Well, I’m glad that the Iskanders from Kaliningrad cover them. And I'm not surprised by the behavior of our sworn friends. But we have an analog of sea-based. And they do not fall under the contract. Also comforting. And for the land version, I think it’s not long to wait.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 22 August 2019 14: 07
      +5
      Well, I’m glad that the Iskanders from Kaliningrad cover them


      What is the reason for joy? The missile base differs from the striking means placed on air carriers or SLCMs by zero open preparatory period. That is, in order to strike SLCM - certain fleet forces must be withdrawn - they must reach points, then they can be opened at some stage. Similarly with the Air Force - transfers and mass recovery are monitored.

      Base - worth a year, two, three, ten. Then one morning or evening the team arrives, the keys to the start and after a short time, the entire shock potential is already on the way to the goals. Empty base value = zero. And each adopted Iskander, it is stored more important at this stage, a military or industrial facility.

      This, of course, is about special databases, without any IJIS and other expensive tracking, automation systems. Just the MK-41 field in the ground (as on missile defense bases) or in a dug-up form + basic infrastructure for loading / unloading missiles + launch bunkers. And the capacity of such a base is not funny 12-24 missiles (like missile defense bases), but hundreds of axes.
      1. Zhan
        Zhan 22 August 2019 14: 22
        0
        You are right a thousand times. hi But since there is a precedent, then we must already work on it. And our intelligence, I think, is not asleep in this regard.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 22 August 2019 19: 16
          0
          Quote: Zhan
          You are right a thousand times. hi But since there is a precedent, then we must already work on it. And our intelligence, I think, is not asleep in this regard.

          In the 41st they also thought so that they were not asleep.
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 23 August 2019 12: 50
            0
            At 41m, a big problem was the analysis of the incoming data. There was no experience. Therefore, a huge flow of variegated information I ask could not make out and make ends meet. Plus, there was the installation - we delay the war for as long as possible.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 22 August 2019 15: 04
      0
      Quote: Zhan
      And for the land version, I think it’s not long to wait.

      For information:
      https://warfiles.ru/204967-ubiystvennyy-otvet-na-tomahawk-ssha-yadernyy-samohodnyy-rk-55-relef.html
      1. Zhan
        Zhan 22 August 2019 15: 18
        0
        Yes, I read about this complex. At the dawn of putting it into service, it was eliminated by agreement. But there was adapted an X-55 air-based. But what’s going to get under the file now?
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 22 August 2019 15: 36
          0
          Quote: Zhan
          Yes, I read about this complex. At the dawn of putting it into service, it was eliminated by agreement. But there was adapted an X-55 air-based. But what’s going to get under the file now?

          Possible retaliatory measures of Russia.
          According to the Kyrgyz Republic ground-based.
          It is clear that the 1000-pound high-explosive fragmentation warhead equipped with the 9M729 has larger dimensions than the 500-pound 9M728. Overseas logic: even if the Russians are telling the truth, they are prevented from installing a lighter warhead on a “long missile”, and occupy the vacant volumes with additional fuel tanks. Now that we have our hands untied, this should be done. Technologically, this is a very simple task. It is likely that the execution of the presidential order to “land” the “Caliber” will happen in this way.
          During an hour of flight in cruise mode, the rocket consumes about 280 kilograms of fuel, it is most likely equipped with DTRD R-95TM-300 with a thrust of 360 kgf or its variants, or TRDD-50BE, created on the basis of the TRDD-50 family. The specific fuel consumption of engines is approximately equal: 0,685–0,710 kg / kgf per hour of flight. During this time, the rocket will overcome 850-880 kilometers. Simple calculation: 500 kilograms of additional fuel gives 1500-1700 kilometers of aerodynamic range. With the replacement of the conventional warhead with a nuclear warhead, with the rational use of the released internal volumes of the rocket, you can add up to 360 extra kilograms of fuel. This will increase the range by another thousand kilometers.

          According to the BRDS.
          The need for SLBM is obvious, you need to "land" and "Dagger". It is clear that the use of the obsolete 3-Mach Interceptor as the first stage of the ersatz-BRDS is a necessary measure. It's time to start creating a full-fledged BMD based on the Iskander by adding a second stage from the same 9X820 engine for the 9M723. Its thrust will suffice in excess - 175 kilonewtons, despite the fact that the rocket will recover up to 7500–7600 kilograms and will extend to 11 meters. As a result, at the end of the active section, she will receive the same four thousand meters per second, as when starting with the MiG-31, necessary to achieve a range of two thousand kilometers.

          https://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/51955
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 23 August 2019 12: 52
            0
            I think you can return to the development of the railway complex. The railway network of the European part of the Russian Federation will not allow simply tracking all ground-based complexes.
    3. Dikson
      Dikson 22 August 2019 16: 56
      +1
      and the whole of Kaliningrad, with its Iskanders, is also completely covered .. whoever covers the first and wins .. And you can arbitrarily threaten the West with Iskanders, Zircons, Poplars and Daggers .. - our first never hit. And the answer, if it reaches where it is necessary, it won’t help us .. It will only cause a feeling of deep satisfaction that we won’t be alone from radiation ..)) It’s different with them .. They won’t get out of Europe - Miami will become a radioactive cemetery .. And so .. In ridiculous kilometers from Murmansk - NATO radar, perfectly seeing all the launches from the landfills of the SF ... so what? They threatened me with missiles .. Only nobody will launch a missile on the radar now, in peacetime. And as it worked, it will work .. And so with the missile defense system. So it is with the submarine fleet .. Yes, they will reach America directly from the mooring wall without leaving the base .. - only I think that the base will disappear before the order to launch missiles comes from the headquarters ... Who will cover the first, and win ...
      1. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 22 August 2019 18: 03
        -2
        . whoever first covers this one and wins .. And one can arbitrarily threaten the West with Iskanders, Zircons, Poplars and Daggers .. - our first never hit. And the answer, if it reaches where it is necessary - it will not help us with you .. It will only cause a feeling of deep satisfaction that we will not bend ourselves alone from radiation ..))

        Do not forget about the Perimeter ("Dead Hand") system, which makes even thinking about who hit first and who second, especially considering the introduction of the Poseidon drone, nicknamed in the West by the weapon of Doomsday, which can get a command to sneak up to the coast. and arrange the Apocalypse. Poseidon's underwater drone is the embodiment of Sakharov's ideas.
        1. SHIPS
          SHIPS 22 August 2019 23: 30
          -4
          Well you gave the heat !!!
          How many Poseidons are there?
          A dead hand on the basis of "Satan", which YUZHMASH did not extend in terms of resource, which was done every year five years ago ..
          And what life in cartoons is different from the real recently learned by the inhabitants of Arkhangelsk.
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 23 August 2019 12: 55
            0
            Quote: NAVI
            Dead hand at the base of "Satan"

            And Sarmatian with warheads Avant-garde coming to replace coming into disregard?
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 August 2019 13: 51
    0
    They will start from the Far East and Asia ....
    1. Zhan
      Zhan 22 August 2019 14: 03
      0
      Most likely it will be so, well, let's see the reaction of China
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 22 August 2019 14: 05
        0
        Noise and economically put pressure on these countries. But, for example, Japan (Taiwan) itself can create a BRSD. Following the example of Poland, the Japanese and South Korean F-35A / B will be equipped with American KR.
        1. Zhan
          Zhan 22 August 2019 14: 13
          0
          Japanese and South Korean F-35A / B will be equipped with American KR.

          So this is a typical American business. They have such tactics, to drag colleagues into a landfill, and then it’s good to make money on it.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 22 August 2019 14: 16
            0
            China will fill some islands .. and deliver anti-aircraft missiles with anti-aircraft guns. There are many "Asian tigers" in that region, they have weapons ... they all depend on sea routes. We are sitting waiting for events.
  5. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 22 August 2019 13: 54
    -4
    When a ruler takes the path of betrayal, he becomes just an enemy. There are many cases in history when kings were sent to the scaffold.
    1. Zhan
      Zhan 22 August 2019 14: 01
      +1
      Please explain what you meant?
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 22 August 2019 15: 18
        0
        Quote: Zhan
        Please explain what you meant?

        And what is not clear to you? The ruler of the state does not have the right to make responsible (key) decisions without a referendum (popular will), to reassign people of non-core education to state posts and with a lack of experience in the leadership and real results in the previous position. He should not be content with the stagnation of the economy and the growing profits of banks and oligarchs amid the impoverishment of millions of citizens.
        stop He simply does not have the right to change laws and the constitution in order to satisfy his own ambitions ... The list goes on, is it enough for you?
        I ask - a feeling of disgust at an accidental appearance on the screen and persistent fatigue from lies and hypocrisy ...
        hi
        1. Zhan
          Zhan 22 August 2019 15: 23
          0
          what And no arguing. hi
        2. dauria
          dauria 22 August 2019 17: 43
          0
          I ask - a feeling of disgust at an accidental appearance on the screen and persistent fatigue from lies and hypocrisy ..


          And you take it as an actor’s game. Well, such a role has come across, and the scriptwriters and the director demand to play. And everything will fall into place. Maybe you will even regret the poor fellow - he also needs to feed his family.
        3. Chaldon48
          Chaldon48 22 August 2019 22: 42
          0
          Totally agree with you.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 22 August 2019 13: 56
    +1
    Nothing good will happen if such a critical scenario goes!
    The devastating arms race !!! And who will crash first is understandable!
    For a long time already, now and for some time "tomorrow" the parity of mutual destruction will be maintained! BUT, in the future, a simple build-up of conventional weapons systems will not hold him back!
    It is OUR SCIENCE and building up the modern, advanced production potential of the country !!!
    And here we are forced to return to business .... school, demography, social well-being of the population and other, other, simple and complex, primary, but primary problems !!!
    So, otherwise we won’t set it up, create it, fly it, protect it and .......
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 22 August 2019 14: 09
      +2
      It is not particularly ruinous. These systems are created. Where it is necessary to increase the range, somewhere to reduce, somewhere to create a carrier. The MZKT 10x10 chassis has been riding parades in Minsk for 5 years now. I kept wondering why ...?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 22 August 2019 14: 22
        +4
        Well, here geography plays against.

        In Mexico and Canada they will not be able to place shock weapons - and even if they do, the Americans will and will not give the army.

        In Mexico and Canada near Russia, American bases and missiles are waiting with loafs. I’m talking about Ukraine - again, from Kharkov to the largest base of air defense forces in the air defense zone - 300km, to Moscow 600km. From Spratius to St. Petersburg - 300km, even if Estonia is afraid, Latvia is already waiting and even ready to finance the US base. From Syvtyvkar to Ufa - even infantry fighting vehicles with TTX will be shot worse than Pershing2. Ordinary Axes will fly to Tyumen from Ukraine.

        This is a huge expenditure on the construction of supporting internal areas of air defense, so that all this at least minimally stopped. Also capacity building. Just for example 2000 additional strike units = even if it is detected and has a simple profile, this is 3000 ZUROK for stopping.

        Ukraine and Shprotiya will be glad to turn into radioactive ashes, knowing that they delivered the first blow to the hated mos * kaly. This is already declared by the way.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 22 August 2019 14: 25
          0
          For this, it is necessary to carry out work with neighboring countries ... tougher than now. Destroy the positional region of neighboring states is possible.
          Probably, the Russian Federation will come to such a formulation of the question.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 22 August 2019 14: 26
        +1
        The enemy, potential, strong, rich and able to do many different things, which will need to be answered !!!
        Protecting yourself from high-tech weapons is VERY DIFFICULT, VERY EXPENSIVE !!! To play not according to your own rules, or even without any rules ..... you need to prepare in advance, and this is exactly what I wrote about! It all starts .... from the very beginning!
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 22 August 2019 14: 29
          +1
          The Russian Federation and the enemy have a different amount of work .... The United States gored China and the Russian Federation and maintain for this structure around the world. The Russian Federation needs to be kept under attack by the United States itself and items with BR and KR ..... this requires a very different amount of strength.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 August 2019 14: 49
            +2
            Quote: Zaurbek
            The Russian Federation and the enemy have a different amount of work ..

            They have the most important weapon in the world !!! PRINTING PRESS!
            While it works, they can do a lot, a lot!
            By the way, all the others who are, as it were against, are not the ONE MONOLITH! This will also have to be taken into account, everyone has their own interests!
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 22 August 2019 14: 51
              +1
              Everyone has a printing press. They have a monopoly. But the situation is worse. There is the Euro and China with the Yuan ..... Moreover, China has a bias precisely in the industrial direction. So, for Yuan you can buy any product.
              We are waiting for the appearance of oil. And then nothing can be forbidden to any Iran.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 22 August 2019 15: 08
                +1
                Events are disturbing and interesting, at the same time!
                What will be, what will ..... see.
                1. Zaurbek
                  Zaurbek 22 August 2019 15: 09
                  0
                  The main thing here is a sober calculation and not get involved in wars.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 22 August 2019 15: 15
                    +1
                    The arms race is not a gift either! It is not as charring as war, but it can not bake weakly.
        2. SHIPS
          SHIPS 22 August 2019 23: 25
          -1
          First you need to get out of Windows, rewrite Bius under the Cyrillic alphabet, throw away the Chinese monitor, system unit and more.
          And then think about protection from high-tech weapons.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 August 2019 05: 30
            0
            To begin with ..... yes, a lot had to be done yesterday!
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    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 22 August 2019 16: 58
      -2
      Seriously? And what about the landing of the Caliber and the Dagger, in addition, there are developments on the RS-26.
      1. SHIPS
        SHIPS 22 August 2019 23: 22
        -3
        Understand?
        By the way, did you find out which course can be determined using the astrocompass?
  8. bmv04636
    bmv04636 22 August 2019 19: 23
    -2
    as I wrote and will repeat again the glorious these two missile defense systems in Romania and Poland as targets for our daggers
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 22 August 2019 19: 27
    +1
    To officially introduce American objects to the EU Devesela (Romania) and Redzikovo (Poland), as the primary goals for our strategic nuclear forces, to declare officially on the pages of newspapers.
    Enough to listen to these fables!
    1. Antares
      Antares 22 August 2019 21: 40
      -3
      Quote: APASUS
      To officially introduce American objects to the EU Devesela (Romania) and Redzikovo (Poland), as the primary goals for our strategic nuclear forces, to declare officially on the pages of newspapers.

      everyone thinks great - everyone will be satisfied with this message.
      And even more money will be written off to the accompaniment of protection from Moscow.
      And most importantly, in Moscow they will think that in Romania they have no assets, no wives, no children too .. So you can.
      1. SHIPS
        SHIPS 22 August 2019 23: 20
        -2
        Yes, probably there is, at the bottom of officials.
        There’s definitely not in Voronezh .... and there isn’t in Arkhangelsk, as it became known recently :-)
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 23 August 2019 18: 25
        0
        Quote: Antares
        everyone thinks great - everyone will be satisfied with this message.
        And even more money will be written off to the accompaniment of protection from Moscow.
        And most importantly, in Moscow they will think that in Romania they have no assets, no wives, no children too .. So you can.

        Here you can immediately see a man from Ukraine, with a twisted consciousness!
        Only Ukrainians fighting with Russia buy oil and gas from it and the Russian Federation is the third trading partner with Ukraine, in what way.
  10. Old26
    Old26 22 August 2019 20: 46
    +3
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    The Hero of Russia accused the Soviet authorities of the Soviet era in shaping such a situation:
    The thing to do is to oppose, and not to tongue strum. To deploy RSD complexes in Venezuela, Cuba, Chukotka.

    And now everyone will earn political capital on this. Including and offering to deploy missiles in Cuba, Venezuela, Chukotka. And in principle, it doesn’t matter how true what politicians say. The main advocacy background. There now, even after Putin’s speech, who said that the Americans had tested their old sea-based missiles but with ground-based PU, politicians continue to broadcast that the missiles are new, were created by the Americans just yesterday. This already in principle does not matter, they say the truth, politics or not. The main thing is that the trend

    Quote: hydrox
    The way out of this situation is cruel, but the only one: to publish information in the civil media about the same Deveselu and Redzikovo, which should contain the EXACT geographical coordinates and the flight time of the "weapon of vengeance"

    You honestly are like a child. We decided to scare them by the fact that their coordinates are known. And scare the media? Honestly, it’s unworthy of a country like Russia to engage in such cheap PR. The task is different. Do not post it all. And periodically show on the same TV tests of new samples. And not only the starts, but also the moments of the hit. And let them think already. Sometimes the unknown is worse than clear knowledge.
    For example, according to the USSR’s attack plans of the 50s, and they can be found on the Internet (a document with more than 800 pages) it was known that 3 warheads were planned to be spent on my hometown (the coordinates in the plan are known), but now, when strategic stockpiles of nuclear weapons were reduced tenfold; I don’t know if my city is on the list of goals. The unknown, which sometimes strains more than knowledge

    Quote: alexmach
    Firstly, China does not disclose information about its nuclear weapons, where and how much. It can easily turn out that he has more of it than Russia and the USA combined, or at least parity.

    Of course, it does not disclose official data, but in principle, both the USA and Russia have an idea about the weapons and nuclear complex of China, about its capacities and productivity. Almost guaranteed, we can say that China has more nuclear weapons than the officially announced numbers. According to experts, about 800-850 charges, but they are still far from Russia and the USA. Even individually, not to mention combined
    What China is currently lagging behind is in intercontinental complexes. But there is only a time factor

    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    According to the BRDS.
    The need for SLBM is obvious, you need to "land" and "Dagger". It is clear that the use of the obsolete 3-Mach Interceptor as the first stage of the ersatz-BRDS is a necessary measure. It's time to start creating a full-fledged BMD based on the Iskander by adding a second stage from the same 9X820 engine for the 9M723. Its thrust will suffice in excess - 175 kilonewtons, despite the fact that the rocket will recover up to 7500–7600 kilograms and will extend to 11 meters. As a result, at the end of the active section, she will receive the same four thousand meters per second, as when starting with the MiG-31, necessary to achieve a range of two thousand kilometers.

    https://www.vpk-news.ru/articles/51955

    What for? When everything is ready and in principle there is no need to create, test and deploy a new rocket. And most importantly, there is no need for the same speed of 4 km / s. You can do half as much

    Quote: Dikson
    In ridiculous kilometers from Murmansk - the NATO radar station, perfectly seeing all launches from the landfills of the SF ... so what? They threatened with my missiles ..

    Another exacerbation we have with regard to "Globus". Well, there is this radar station. He sees some of the launches from landfills, especially if these are SLBM launches to the Kura. Everything else, including the launches of anti-aircraft missiles, the vision of which so frightened Damantsev is not possible with this radar. The radar is not even firing to be the primary target. This is a radar SKKP and quite ancient, with a parabolic mirror, which moves mechanically inside the dome, and not by changing the direction of the electron beam

    Quote: Zaurbek
    They will start from the Far East and Asia ....

    Most likely they will start from Japan, possibly also from Taiwan. Watch the reaction of the world community

    Quote: Zaurbek
    Noise and economically put pressure on these countries. But, for example, Japan (Taiwan) itself can create a BRSD. Following the example of Poland, the Japanese and South Korean F-35A / B will be equipped with American KR.

    I will not say for Japan, but South Korea already has complexes of the class of our Iskander, only with a range of up to 800 km. The South Koreans have cruise missiles up to missiles with a range of 2500 km ...
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 22 August 2019 21: 22
      0
      And the world in which the majority has complexes, and officers on duty know this, raises the likelihood of a real exchange of blows due to a banal error or false alarm. When there were all two countries, and in each there were professionals in their field, and then, according to rumors, there were precedents for balancing on the edge ...
  11. SHIPS
    SHIPS 22 August 2019 23: 18
    -2
    The general would recall what was on the shelves of the stores and about food aid for the USSR. Stupidly there was no food. And Gorbachev agreed to everything, so that they would give loans and send products.
    Dispersed the Warsaw Pact from a good life?
    By terms, the general then studied at the school. Kid, but very smart :-) :-) :-) :-)
  12. Old26
    Old26 22 August 2019 23: 49
    +3
    Quote: NAVI
    A dead hand on the basis of "Satan", which YUZHMASH did not extend in terms of resource, which was done every year five years ago ..

    Perimeter has never been deployed at a Satan base. The first version of command missiles was based on the MR-UR-100 missiles - the 15A11 command missile. The second option - the 15Ж56 "Horn" command missiles - based on the "Pioneer-UUTKh". The current version 15Yu75 "Sirena" - based on the "Poplar with a dot" (15Ж58.1)
    1. SHIPS
      SHIPS 22 August 2019 23: 59
      -3
      You do not have complete information.
      And those missiles that you have listed are almost gone.
      From a good life take rockets from storage, once perkdaneye Ukraine?
  13. Old26
    Old26 23 August 2019 15: 38
    +2
    Quote: NAVI
    You do not have complete information.
    And those missiles that you have listed are almost gone.
    From a good life take rockets from storage, once perkdaneye Ukraine?

    Of course, some of the above are not. No 15A11, no "Horn", "Sirena" is still in service. But this does not negate the fact that "Satan" is no side there. And they take missiles from DH because having said "A" - you have to say "B". They said that we have already tested "Vanguard" - skzali. But on what to deploy it - the question. Of the tested products, there are only 15A71, a modernized version of the 15A35 transferred to us by Ukraine. Here are a dozen of them on the database and will be delivered in 2019-2022. But again. These missiles have nothing to do with Perimeter.