Does Russia need a return to the G8?

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US President Donald Trump raised the question of the possibility of Russia returning to G-7 - the G8. The mere fact that the head of the American state spoke about this testifies to large-scale changes in the political strategy of the “collective West”. But what can these changes lead to?





Russia and the "Big Seven"


History The “Group of Seven,” or the “Big Seven,” has its roots in the 1970 years, when the need arose for the consolidation and close interaction of the most economically developed countries of the world. The initiative came from the president of France, Valerie Giscard d'Estaing, who gathered in 1975 year the heads of six states - the United States, Britain, Germany, France, Italy and Japan. In 1976, Canada joined the meetings. Thus formed the "Big Seven."

The collapse of the Soviet Union and Russia's rejection of communist ideology contributed to the relative normalization of relations between our country and the West. At that time, the United States and European states seemed that Russia would no longer pose a serious threat to the emerging world order, but, given the territorial dimensions of Russia, the presence of nuclear weapons, economic opportunities and natural resources in the West, it was deemed appropriate to integrate Russia into the "Big Seven." This integration took place in stages, during the 1990's - the beginning of the 2000's. The G7 has become the G8.

Of course, Russia has never been a full-fledged member of the group, given the specifics of the attitude of Western countries towards our country. Nevertheless, without the participation of Russia, it would be impossible to consult on key world events, to develop some solutions. Therefore, Western leaders put up with the presence of our country in the club of the most developed powers.

Although by the beginning of the XXI century it was already clear that the club does not reflect the current world situation. For example, China does not participate in it. Yes, in the 1975 year, when the "Big Seven" was just being created, China was an agrarian country dominated by Maoist ideology. But now the situation has changed radically. Is Italy or Canada more developed and influential than the Middle Kingdom? In any case, the presence of Russia at least somehow created the impression of the G8 coverage not only of the United States and its allies, but also of other countries of the world.

But in 2014, after the events in Ukraine and the reunification of the Crimean Peninsula with Russia, Russia's participation in the group’s meetings was terminated. The G8 has become the G7 again. But after five years, the West, apparently, felt some discomfort from the lack of the possibility of dialogue with Russia within the framework of this club. Otherwise, how to explain the position of Donald trump?

Trump: Putin outwitted Obama


At a meeting with Romanian President Klaus Johannis, US President Donald Trump gave a lengthy commentary on the G7 and Russia. The head of the White House said:

At meetings, we often talk about Russia, since I was at numerous meetings of the G7. I think Putin outwitted President Obama because President Obama thought it was bad when Russia joined the G8. Therefore, he wanted Russia to come out of it. I think that it is much more appropriate to see Russia, and this should be the G8, because many of the things we are talking about are related to Russia.


Further, continuing his thought, Trump noted that if “someone had come forward” with a proposal to return Russia to the G8, he would have reacted positively to this proposal. And this someone was found - he turned out to be French President Emmanuel Macron. In the post-Soviet period, Paris always had a special relationship with Moscow, more loyal than that of Washington.

Even now, despite the presence of sanctions, France does not abandon numerous joint projects with Russia, supports the construction of the Nord Stream-2. Therefore, it is not surprising that the proposal to return Russia to the G8 format came from the French leader.

The meeting of Emmanuel Macron and Vladimir Putin gave rise to reflection and supporters of cooperation with Russia, and opponents of our country. Ukrainian nationalist politicians erupted in criticism of Paris, arguing that Macron had “caved in” under Putin, and it would not be about Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok, but about Russia from Lisbon to Vladivostok. For supporters of cooperation with Russia, the words of the French president, published on his page on a social network, became a "balm."

Will the “seven” become the “eight” again?


Donald Trump has a very strange attitude towards Russia and Putin. On the one hand, Trump, as the head of the American state, is obliged to demonstrate maximum rigidity in relation to Moscow. But Trump sincerely sympathizes with Putin: he, a populist with a clear right bias, is impressed by the style of the Russian president and many of his actions. And, of course, Trump understands that without Russia’s return to the G8, numerous problems cannot be resolved.

But Trump does not have any clear proposals for the return of Russia to the G8. Although he could put forward certain requirements for Moscow, seeking their implementation. Trump’s words about the possibility of Russia’s returning to the G8 without any specific conditions can be considered as the US’s readiness to reconcile with the reunification of Crimea with Russia - the main trump card of anti-Russian forces in the West.



CNN journalist Kylie Atwood tweeted that Donald Trump and Emmanuel Macron, in a telephone conversation, came to the conclusion that Russia should be invited to the G7 summit in 2020. Thus, in the West a kind of coalition has been formed on this issue - the United States and France do not object to Russia's presence in the G8.

Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel takes a slightly different position. She said that so far she does not see progress that allows talking about the elimination of the reasons that in the 2014 year contributed to Russia's withdrawal from the G8. We are talking about the Minsk agreements, which, according to Merkel, are not being implemented with due success.



However, Germany’s position may also change, given that of all the serious European states, Germany is currently most dependent on cooperation with Russia. For example, the same Nord Stream-2 project is of strategic importance for both the Russian Federation and Germany. So the words of Merkel against the background of the position of Macron and Trump should not be taken unambiguously. It may still change, especially in the process of consultations between the German authorities and their French counterparts.

A completely different situation with the UK. In London they occupy the toughest anti-Russian position. Only the regimes of Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states are worse off, but they, fortunately, have no effect either on the G8 or on the economic and political situation in Europe. The new British Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, inherited the anti-Russian line of his predecessors as head of the cabinet.

Boris Johnson noted that so far he sees no reason to return Russia to the G8. The British prime minister listed the numerous "sins" of Russia - the story of the poisoning of Skripals, chemical weapons, the civil war in Ukraine, some provocations that Russia allegedly carries out around the world. All these factors, from the point of view of the British prime minister, are an obstacle to the return of Russia to the G8 format.



Thus, on the issue of Russia's return to the G8, there have been disagreements between key partners. France and Germany, which are close to each other on most economic and political issues, in this case do not demonstrate unity of position. Even more controversy between the US and the UK are also key political allies and economic partners.

The return of Russia to the G8, if it takes place on the initiative of Trump and contrary to the opinion of the British, Germans, and probably Canadians, will indicate that Washington does not put its allies and partners in anything and is the undisputed leader of the Western world, capable of dictate their terms and not pay attention to the point of view of their own allies. And it seems that Trump has already gone really far, since the position of the American president has become known to the world community.

Now it’s too late to retreat - if Trump and Macron give up their words, they will demonstrate weakness, if they do not give up, then they will demonstrate neglect of the position of the Allies. The only way out of this situation is to urgently come up with some requirements and put forward them to Moscow. Moreover, the requirements may be deliberately impracticable, for example, the return of Crimea to Ukraine. Russia will not meet such requirements and then the West will be able to say: Trump, as a peacemaker, cared for peace, sought dialogue, but Putin again refused it on his own initiative.

G7 - Deprecated Format


This is another interesting question. On the one hand, the G8 format provides more opportunities for interaction with the West, but on the other hand, nothing will happen if we do not return to this group of Western powers. For example, China and India are also not members of the G8, which does not prevent them from building up their economic potential and expanding their political influence. In the same way, Russia, as practice has shown, is a self-sufficient power and is not in close cooperation with Western countries.

The concept of the "Big Seven" is currently completely outdated, not reflecting the real situation, the real alignment in world politics and economics. It was formed during the Cold War, in a bipolar world, as a coalition of Western states with similar economic and political models for organizing public life.



Now the situation has changed radically. The world has become multipolar, but the G7 remains the same, does not demonstrate the flexibility and variability that is so needed in the modern world. Well, is it not strange that Japan is in G7, but there is no China. Italy is, but India is not. And this is not to mention that there are other centers of power, including regional ones - the same Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia have a much greater impact on entire regions of the world than Italy, Japan or Canada.

Therefore, if Russia does not return to the G8, it will not lose anything. The Russian leadership understands this very well and does not respond to the words of Trump and Macron in some tumultuous way. Moreover, it is already obvious that the West needs Russia more and more, and Russia needs the West less and less.

Today, when the United States competes with China, they are mortally afraid of the Russian-Chinese bloc, as well as the confrontation between the West and the modernized East. So they are making an attempt to bring Russia closer again, for which they are even ready to turn a blind eye to their own claims about the Donbass, Crimea, Syria.
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  1. +17
    23 August 2019 05: 29
    The concept of the "Big Seven" is currently completely outdated, not reflecting the real situation, the real alignment in world politics and economics.
    On this discussion of the seven-eight can be completed. And do not pay attention to the statements of Trump and Macron. Stronger - call. And we will think about whether to contact them. Look at the WTO already plagued.
    1. +8
      23 August 2019 08: 05
      What a joke of humor, Obama cut off Ukraine from Russia, imposed sanctions, brought down oil, brought down the ruble, and caused impoverishment. Where is the winning moment?
      1. +6
        23 August 2019 09: 34
        Quote: Civil
        Where is the winning moment?

        For us, no winnings, never. We are a "whipping boy" for him. All we see are manifestations - Crimea, Donbas, and Skripals, and "interference in elections." Then, they will come up with something new and "hollow" will be the whole "seven"
        1. -1
          23 August 2019 11: 32
          Russia will return to the G8 within the borders of the USSR.
          1. +1
            23 August 2019 11: 34
            Quote: Civil
            What a joke of humor, Obama cut off Ukraine from Russia, imposed sanctions, brought down oil, brought down the ruble, and caused impoverishment.

            Obama laughing

            You exalted him to heaven.
            If he really were, he would still steer America.

            Crimea is Russian again. This is more important than oil prices.
            The Russians are again capable. This is more important than sanctions.

            And improving life in the country is our task.
            You were in the world in the nineties, when the whole country planted potatoes in the plots, what would you live?

            Obama! Made laugh!
            Thank you! laughing
            1. 0
              23 August 2019 12: 09
              You exalted him to heaven.
              If he really were, he would still steer America


              And who did all this? Well, there are landslides, most of Ukraine? Who are you hinting at?
              1. +2
                23 August 2019 12: 57
                Does Russia need a return to the G8?

                "We can handle it ourselves", - said Merkel.


                But it’s for us, this return is not very necessary, so hiss, scold, kick your feet against everyone who is against our country, otherwise it is hard for you, inadequates, to live in this world without these manipulations. We will wait.
                1. +1
                  23 August 2019 17: 52
                  You look at the leaders of this G. And you want to run away from this panopticon .. The British alone are worth something ..
                  1. +1
                    23 August 2019 23: 02
                    Quote: 210ox
                    The British alone are worth something ..

                    And where do you see the British?
                    Origin and relatives of Boris Johnson
                    Alexander Boris de Pfeffel-Johnson was born on June 19, 1964 in New York. Boris Johnson still has dual citizenship - British and American.
            2. +3
              23 August 2019 13: 55
              To paraphrase Bulgakov in The Master and Margarita, it is worth saying: “never, do not ask for anything! It’s necessary - they’ll call themselves! ” stop
          2. +2
            23 August 2019 13: 51
            Quote: Vladimir16
            Russia will return to the G8 within the borders of the USSR.

            I don’t know how within the borders of the USSR, but within the borders of the RSFSR fellow 1953, that's for sure!
          3. 0
            24 August 2019 00: 01
            A joke of humor?
    2. +2
      23 August 2019 11: 45
      Quote: Mikhail M
      . And do not pay attention to the statements of Trump and Macron. Stronger - call. And we will think about whether to contact them. Look at the WTO already plagued.


      what, beckoned with a carrot and Russia should come running wagging its tail?
      yes send ...
    3. +3
      23 August 2019 11: 56
      Stronger - call.
      Why do we need membership in the eight? When something needs to be decided, they themselves come to see Putin.
      1. 0
        24 August 2019 11: 05
        Go down from heaven to earth; they haven’t been flying to Putin for a long time.
    4. +1
      24 August 2019 22: 52
      Stronger prop - let come to Sochi))))
  2. +7
    23 August 2019 05: 55
    And the meaning is sanctions as they come up and will be, Russia, in the eyes of Western countries, is always for everything bad and against the good, the bright, the tallest. So why do we need this, (well, not to us of course, but to large capital (
  3. +15
    23 August 2019 06: 07
    Putin has repeatedly said that the GXNUMX format suits Russia completely. So why fence a garden? Moreover, there is more than one center of power in the world. Although ... The story of the return to PACE makes you ponder. The Russian delegation was invited there for a long time and persistently, they promised a lot, and when ours returned, they received a tub of slops. Geyrope, as it turned out, needed only Russian money. It's the same here. Once again they are called to the "seven", which means they need it for some reason. And the fact that no public demands are being made does not mean anything. Nominated necessarily: the West will not miss its. But will it be possible to brush them off?
    1. +6
      23 August 2019 06: 37
      Quote: Vadim T.
      Putin has repeatedly said that the GXNUMX format suits Russia completely.

      That's right. What is the use of this fragmentation if the world changes from decade to decade by centuries of the past.
      Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel takes a slightly different position. She said that so far she does not see progress that allows talking about the elimination of the reasons that in 2014 contributed to Russia's withdrawal from the GXNUMX. We are talking about the Minsk agreements, which, according to Merkel, are not being implemented with due success.

      As regards the various agreements, Ms. Merkel can be reminded that the West owes a lot to the liquidation of the VD and CMEA, in particular, to push NATO back to its previous framework.
    2. 0
      23 August 2019 09: 05
      Where are the results of the work and meetings of this G 1+ 6 ??? The world is still shaking ..
      Maybe - this is her result of work ..?
    3. 0
      23 August 2019 16: 57
      Our return to the G7 is convenient for the sworn "partners" because we can loudly expel us "for an encore". And there is always a reason: there are enough deserters in the West, you can always slap a couple or two more, and after a thorough many months of investigation, Scotland Yard will find the inscription "Putin was here" on the wall above the corpse.
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  7. +1
    23 August 2019 06: 36
    And this is Trump "interfering" in the elections in the Russian Federation on the side of the ruling party. They are invited back to the "club" - they recognize the "success" of Putin's foreign policy. laughing
    1. +1
      23 August 2019 09: 36
      Quote: samarin1969
      They are invited back to the "club" - they recognize the "success" of Putin's foreign policy.

      Most likely again some kind of game "in cats, mice".
  8. +3
    23 August 2019 06: 46
    The English are easy to calm down. It is enough for Trump to throw in that "newbie" is May's scam. It will even be enough that the "test results" do not coincide with the British. You just need to understand that the interests of the United States are above any allied relations and the Americans will only do what is in their interests. They also support their own muddies only when it is "in the interests of national security."
    The question "is it necessary to return to 8-ku?" was voiced earlier - in the concept of a multipolar world, 8 is clearly not enough to discuss the problems and issues facing the international community.
    And so, well, the caste of "exceptional" wants to clump together separately from other "goev", let them sit closer. As they say, you will need fewer shells.
  9. +4
    23 August 2019 06: 53
    And the fact that they do not put forward public demands does not mean anything. Nominated necessarily: the West will not miss it.


    Q.E.D:

    Today, 06: 22
    Canadian Foreign Minister: Russia may return to G8 by surrendering Crimea
    Freeland said that the conditions for Russia's return to the G7 (G8) are "very simple":
    You just need to give the Crimea and end the war in the Donbass.
  10. +3
    23 August 2019 06: 58
    Will the “seven” become the “eight” again?

    Is it worth it to climb? What are the prospects for this company? And where is the main part and power of the WORLD going to hang out now?
    If ONE the most important one can bend everyone else, then they can be called a compass differently ... A WOLF and six kids / piglets !!! -
    It is strange if OUR, like not a little kid / piglet, wants to get into another skin !!! Because in the true guise they are not expected there!
  11. +5
    23 August 2019 07: 23
    Canadian Foreign Minister: Russia can return to the G8, having given up Crimea ... This is today on VO in the news feed ... And the return to the eight ... Immediately comes to mind Rembrandt's painting "The Return of the Prodigal Son" smile ..
    1. +2
      23 August 2019 13: 30
      Greetings, Alex! What a wonderful memory you have, and a cultural one!
      And to me ---- JERALASH! That fragment like Tale of first love discussing ---- "" And by kumpol ""
    2. 0
      25 August 2019 20: 33
      Quote: parusnik
      Rembrandt's painting "The Return of the Prodigal Son" comes to mind

      And to me - the cartoon "Return of the Prodigal Parrot". How long to?
  12. +2
    23 August 2019 07: 48
    No, Russia does not need a "return", it is presented in 20 ke as a raw material appendage of developed capital. countries and servants of their interests. The interests of the "elite" of the country - even if they are a carcass, but to be present in Western clubs, the interests of the people - are opposite.
  13. 0
    23 August 2019 07: 59
    Does Russia need a return to the G8?

    Those conditions that they impose for return, the dressing skin is not worth it.
  14. +2
    23 August 2019 08: 42

    Lord, what they have with the establishment, which is not the next prime minister, it’s more and more degrading and degenerate ...
    1. 0
      23 August 2019 09: 13
      Quote: Ehanatone
      Lord, what they have with the establishment, which is not the next prime minister, it’s more and more degrading and degenerate ...

      What country are you talking about now? laughing
      1. 0
        23 August 2019 09: 40
        About Naglia, of course, about her ...
        Just failed to insert a picture ...
        And why did they minus it, is there really a fan (s) of B. Johnson, or they got here mi-6! ... belay
        Well, in general, we probably really shouldn’t always go where without getting into it, because it’s cool - like a pass, the WTO and, probably, those who know will find about a dozen such cool things ...
        1. 0
          23 August 2019 09: 45
          Quote: Ehanatone
          And why did they minus it, is there really a fan (s) of B. Johnson, or they got here mi-6! ...

          I did not minus hi
  15. 0
    23 August 2019 08: 49
    Even without reading the article, I think this: we have nothing to do there, not these seven kid-conspirators solve all the problems. There is a powerful twenty, this is just the place where you can discuss world problems.
  16. +2
    23 August 2019 09: 32
    They want to stall; they have already driven us to PACE. It is necessary to put forward its own conditions, the lifting of sanctions, for example.
  17. -3
    23 August 2019 09: 37
    If this raises the rating, Putin-Nehai enters. What do we need? Will prices go down or salaries go up?
  18. +1
    23 August 2019 09: 38
    The dream of our power elite is to steal to flee the cordon, where they already have everything: families and capitals and citizenship. Toward the end of rule, at least a carcass, at least a scarecrow, make peace with the rulers of the countries of their real Motherland in order to ensure the safety of the stolen.
    1. 0
      23 August 2019 12: 52
      Quote: kriten
      The dream of our power elite - stealing to flee the cordon

      And so, Macron and Trump were worried and saddened by the fate of these people so much that they offered to return Russia to the seven by making it the eight? Or maybe the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty and the response of Russia caused discomfort in the West, maybe they want to appease, that is, become partners again, and it’s easier to talk with partners, to negotiate? They just do not take into account what Russia wants to have her hands tied with gentlemen's agreements?
  19. +3
    23 August 2019 09: 43
    Today there is no consensus among the seven. Especially on the NATO budget and sanctions policy, and not only in relation to Russia. Therefore, Trump invites Russia to the "gatherings" of the seven with the only obvious goal - to create a counterbalance and consolidate the rest of the leaders against Putin (today). It is not possible to state such goals directly, so the idea is hedged with a "supposed need" for productive work with Russia. Recently, all of this seven has turned into the "US + six", and all the participants understand this and, obviously, are burdened by this, which is manifested in the appearance of disagreements and turbulence of opinions at general meetings. Then Trump meets or just communicates with each "six" individually, and everyone accepts Trump's point of view. Obviously, Trump is also bored with this method. So he decided to change the format a little.
  20. +1
    23 August 2019 09: 48
    "Seven", a brand of the past cold war with an attempt to shape world politics. Today, sanctions are the only levers of its influence, but this lever is losing its significance every year. In a few years, time will turn it first into an object of influence exclusively on vassal and underdeveloped countries, and then in general into a gathering of political pensioners.
  21. 0
    23 August 2019 10: 35
    There was never a full eight. There have always been seven against Russia. If we are to revive the dialogue with the West, then not in the format of the eight, but in the same way as the West-Russia.
  22. +1
    23 August 2019 11: 44
    We were thrown out of the eight because of the Crimea. The condition for our return is recognition of Crimea as Russian.
    1. Cry
      0
      23 August 2019 22: 05
      They threw out the drunk Yeltsin, and he dragged himself there for 100 grams of vodka and sold Russia and the USSR in addition to Gorbi.
  23. 0
    23 August 2019 13: 48
    They came, they left, they came, they left, and so for almost 30 years now. What kind of result was supposed in general?
  24. 0
    23 August 2019 13: 56
    the same Pakistan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia have a much greater impact on entire regions of the world than Italy, Japan or Canada

    The author judges politics only by newspaper headlines, but in reality, Japan itself has many times more influence than Pakistan or Saudi Arabia. They only do it quietly, but, I assure you, no less efficiently and persistently.
  25. +1
    23 August 2019 14: 22
    Of course, the conditions put forward by the marginal states to return to the G8 format are unacceptable. Therefore, there is nothing to discuss here. But, apparently, after Russia's refusal to restore the lost format, a similar invitation to China will follow. And this is where no one can guarantee how the PRC will behave. But one thing is clear - it is necessary to break the emerging "good relations" between the PRC and Russia, to oppose them again, as the Americans once did during the "ping-pong diplomacy" of G. Kissinger. For this, apparently, another game with an "invitation" has been started. But playing with professional cheats, and even on their table and their cards, is a deliberate disaster for the naive.
    1. 0
      23 August 2019 21: 54
      Quote: 1536
      But apparently, Russia's refusal to restore the lost format will be followed by a similar invitation to China

      The Chinese have already proved that they are not worse than the Russians. hi
      1. +1
        25 August 2019 20: 33
        That's not difficult.
  26. +1
    23 August 2019 18: 34
    It is necessary not to succumb to this temptation, but to leave the WTO as soon as possible, and from PACE along with other organisms. As well as a hundred years ago, Russia was again conceived to bend over. along the passage to the Black Sea, too, as we can see, they forgot about these details. hi
    RS The people will not ask the authorities again. "The referendum is not our method."
  27. +2
    23 August 2019 19: 03
    Inviting back is a well-considered step of the West with the goal of tearing us away from the Chinese and subordinating ourselves to our interests, and then again not for long. With such a rear as Russia, China will be able to fight the hegemon and we will get buns, and divide and rule the kirdyk to the Chinese with their opposition insolent arrogance. IMHO, it was a temptation to be us a condom for the purpose of the West to preserve their world order and nothing more.
  28. -1
    23 August 2019 20: 16
    Putin correctly said, the G7 '. Is not an organization and Russia has no reason to return there ..
    Let them gossip, but without Russia hi We have a lot of other business, and not to listen to noah and bullshit from these moneylender puppets soldier
  29. 0
    23 August 2019 21: 49
    The return of Russia to the G-7, it would be a failure of Kremlin policy. The rejection of the concept of a lot of polar world,
    recognition of the United States as an "exclusive" nation, complete submission to the West and loss of sovereignty. This is about politics. Economy: Russian billionaires have realized that they are just food for the Western "sharks" of business. By betting at 90 on globalization and the dollar, they made their fortunes (which way they received is another question) vulnerable to financial institutions of the West. They were "shod" in Cyprus, England, the USA ..... Therefore, Russia is more satisfied with the G-20 format. The talks of Trump, Macron, Mkrkel .... are secondary. Primarily the DESIRE of Russia. But I don't see him. hi
  30. Cry
    +1
    23 August 2019 22: 03
    Among them, Russia is an enemy, so they will put it on the side of a stool and will bombard them with gnawed bones.
  31. 0
    25 August 2019 14: 34
    This is a deep question. This is a question of surrender. Let G7 have a part of Russia - Ukraine. Just what is the point in surrendering Ukraine to the G7?
  32. -2
    25 August 2019 15: 23
    Well, if Putin wants to hear all the dirt and accusations about himself and especially about Russia .. Let him go! These G are nothing but puppets talking heads .. All the main thing is decided in other circles. ..For example in Syria! hi
  33. 0
    26 August 2019 07: 08
    We can judge this figure by the persons who participated in the consultations there, and these are far from the heads of state.