Pentagon head proposes to include all latest RF weapons in START-3

The Pentagon announced the option of maintaining and developing a treaty to reduce offensive weapons. This is actually the last treaty with Russia from which the United States has not yet withdrawn and whose validity expires in 2021. The new option was proposed by the head of the US military, Mark Esper.

According to Esper, the extension of the START-3 agreement is possible if all the latest is included in the agreement. weaponcreated by Russia. In fact, we are talking about the inclusion in the contract, according to the American version, of the Avangard, Burevestnik complexes and others. In this connection, bewilderment arises: haven’t it been stated recently in the USA and the liberal environment of Russia that Russia has no latest weapons, but there are only presentations and cartoons.

In an interview with Fox News, Esper also answered a question about his own American weapons development. According to the head of the Pentagon, the US will have its own hypersonic weapons in two years. At the moment, American developers are testing such weapons. And in Washington, against this background, as you already know, they managed to accuse the Russian Federation of allegedly stole hypersonic technology from the United States.

It must be recalled that the other day the United States conducted a test of a medium-range land-based missile. The rocket was launched through the installation of Mk41. Today, in connection with this, a meeting of the UN Security Council will be convened. The convocation will take place on the initiative of Russia and China, who accuse the United States of the fact that even before leaving the INF Treaty, it began to take measures to develop missiles and implement launch technologies prohibited by the relevant agreement from 1987 of the year.

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[eagle owl]

A STRATEGIC US drones? And a recently tested installation of supposedly Patriot air defense in Poland with medium-range missiles in Poland, and so on?

[Starover_Z]

It must be recalled that the other day the United States conducted a test of a medium-range land-based missile. The rocket was launched through the installation of the Mk41.

These are the same ones with which the States have been flooding the "frightened by Russia" countries of Eastern Europe in recent years ?! And this is a country whose representatives were giving us noodles that these installations were not designed and could not be equipped with medium-range ground missiles ?! Ugh on THEY three times !!!

[Fayter2017]

Not so, they said sho in theory is possible, but the type of software is different, and therefore you just can’t put a tomahawk in that sho tube in Romania, it’s customary for the gents to take a word ...
It’s like the Budapest Treaty, where the USA, Russia ... gave guarantees to Ukraine of territorial integrity, but it came to the point, right away - guys, you didn’t understand it legally and it’s completely different and each country has its own terms and agreements are pieces of paper, and only power is valued in this world.

[Cottodraton]

So the 404 elite promised not to go anywhere, not to talk too much and not to plot against the Russian Federation.
And then everything began with inflating lips on the "mokshnya" of any Aryan Turkish-Hungarian half-breeds ...

[Tatyana]

Pentagon head proposes to include all latest RF weapons in START-3

There is no impudence of the Pentagon and there will be no end!

No wonder they say that arrogance is the second happiness and the key to success.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Tatiana

There is no impudence of the Pentagon and there will be no end!

Moreover, here is the Pentagon? This is a problem of American mentality. Only if there is a clear threat can they be negotiated. Moreover, as history shows with a very recent example of the events of September 11 in New York, even the people of their own can become the goals of the American financial elite. Therefore, it is necessary to clearly state in the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation that the primary objects for retaliating a nuclear strike will include areas and islands on which American oligarchs build their shelters.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: Tatiana
There is no impudence of the Pentagon and there will be no end!

Moreover, here is the Pentagon?

Moreover, the US Pentagon leads NATO.

Quote: Vita VKO

This is a problem of American mentality.

Not only the American mentality and not only the American mentality. One NATO secretary general, Norwegian Stoltenberg from Norway's richest military-industrial complex clan - the so-called. "Norwegian Kennedy", profiting from military supplies of weapons and so on. Hitlerite Germany before and during WWII - what is worth!
It is not necessary to think that the American militaristic mentality exists exclusively separately from the European one. These are two boots - a pair!

Therefore, the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation should clearly state that the primary objects for retaliatory nuclear strikes will include areas and islands on which American oligarchs build their shelters.

Not only American oligarchs, but also European ones are building atomic shelters for themselves! And I think that the Norwegian oligarchic military-industrial complex-Stoltenberg clan already has such an atomic refuge somewhere on the planet.

[krot]

So what's the problem? Offer the Pentagon the same way to include all of its latest weapons in START-3 .. And fight with swords! )) But seriously, in my opinion they replay, and express their proposals for each other or for the press ..) And not for a serious dialogue! At the moment, our army is much more powerful in a global sense. And our weapons are much more modern! In general, Americans are stupid, as Zadornov said, and to agree with them, they will have to go down to their level.)

[dauria]

The primary targets for a retaliatory nuclear strike will include areas and islands on which American oligarchs build their shelters.

Yes, yes ... Only this is the most ... there next to the shelters and islands of our oligarchs. What to do?
It’s not in the USA and Russia. but in the USA and China. It is the absence of China in these treaties that pushes the Americans to break old treaties.
Yes, and we should think - the PRC has a bunch of missiles and nuclear weapons that are completely beyond the control of anyone. Not too greasy narrow-eyed settled down?

[yuratanja1950]

Quote: dauria

Yes, yes ... Only this is the most ... there next to the shelters and islands of our oligarchs. What to do? laughing

Well, this is nonsense ... With one shovel, to ruin the whole bunch ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: Fayter2017

It's like a Budapest treaty

There was no such thing.
There were "Budapest memorandums" for Belarus, Ukraine and Kazakhstan.
In fact, they turned into toilet paper after the introduction of sanctions against Belarus by Americans in 2004 (paragraph 3 of the Memorandum was violated)
At the same time, the Americans said that they are in their own right, since this document is not legally binding.
By the way, even under Yushchenko, Ukraine tried to achieve the signing of a normal Treaty.

[akarfoxhound]

Not entirely correct, it's like an agreement with the jumpers and Yanukovych under the guarantees of the West. And "for tomorrow" there is an armed coup, Crimea, Donbass, shooting at peaceful people and everything else. Don't confuse the chronology

[DenZ]

Quote: Fayter2017

It’s like the Budapest Treaty, where the USA, Russia ... gave guarantees to Ukraine of territorial integrity, but it came to the point, so right away - guys, you misunderstood

Well, this is how you misunderstood Russia and the USA did not promise to protect Ukraine while maintaining its territorial integrity. Because it will save Ukraine from the foolishness that even these countries are not capable of inside itself. And if the country is losing territory because of its dope, then who is to blame for it?

[Wedmak]

Well, yes, and here they excitedly proved that this is impossible by design features. Nu-nu ... Apparently everyone was thinking correctly, the Americans added a couple of control units to the launcher and voila, now you can shoot not only with tomahawks, but also with new missiles in their dimensions. Star-striped noodles ...

[Warrior with machine gun]

but what did you want from a country that was founded by liars, bandits, thieves, traders and separatists, time has passed, but the public and methods do not change from there, only they are overgrown with modern gadgets.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Warrior with machine gun

what do you want from a country that was founded by liars, bandits, thieves, traders and separatists

Duc, this resource for them is renewable, and all the rabble without a clan-tribe to this day are pinching there in search of vital nishtyaks. There are also two or three organisms from the "former" - the classic types of reptiles.

[Observer2014]

eagle owl

A STRATEGIC US drones? And a recently tested installation of supposedly Patriot air defense in Poland with medium-range missiles in Poland, and so on?

And then for sho! Hammer. If the Americans listen to their warriors and roll out such conditions. There will be no extension of the contract.

[Wedmak]

Can’t the pug burst? Each time, it would seem that the duplicity of the United States has reached the limit, but no ... they break through the ceiling at supersonic speed and are carried away ...

[Andrey Chistyakov]

The pentanogue must include its head ... Although this is hardly possible. A-priory...

[eagle owl]

Pentanol))) There is something in this, for the planet they are needed just like the fifth leg

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Uhu

Pentanol))) There is something in this, for the planet they are needed just like the fifth leg

Yeah. Well, you get it. Plus.

[Mountain shooter]

And they don’t know about the Death Star! But she is also invisible !!!
Correctly striped ears act ... You cannot develop something new, advanced, how you can intimidate the enemy, so "talk" him to death ... I mean, talk about it ... Tell us about how the best scientists of our time will finish testing hypersonic weapons, and the valiant warriors will tear everyone at the British flag ...
And most importantly, with the help of contracts to tie these Russian "fools" who believe that the contracts must be fulfilled

[Sauron80]

So the death star has long been ready for a position in Samara)) And so that no one guessed, they hid it in the ground.

[rotmistr60]

START-3 treaty extension is possible if all newest weapons created by Russia are included in the treaty

Do they really consider themselves the most cunning? Rather, for the subsequent excuse upon withdrawing from the treaty, we offered Russia, she refused, which means all the blame on her. But on a cunning ass, there is always a key with a screwdriver.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rotmistr60

But on a cunning ass, there is always a key with a screwdriver.

It’s time to look for something heavy with spikes on a sly head. Type of this:

can this:

If that - say that they mixed up. The name is the same - vision failed. From your sanctions - a lack of vitamins ...

[Alex Nevs]

PONTS PONTS and SevKoreya as their ..

[nikolas 83]

They are terrified of them. They still do not have such weapons .. I have not read the contract. Knowers clarify whether new weapons are covered by the contract or not.

[Wedmak]

Since such weapons at the time of signing did not exist even in the sketches, it does not fall. Although of course it is written vaguely and can be pulled by the ears to a globe of any size. The USA has a lot of experience in this.

[hydrox]

So it seems that we have already passed the age of "trousers with shoulder straps" so that we can be attracted the way it was done during the Liber-Judas of the 90s ...

[Warrior with machine gun]

their drones fell under old treaties, but infections fly almost at the very borders.

[asv363]

Vanguard and Sarmat (if the latter is adopted before 05.02.2021/3/XNUMX) fall under START-XNUMX until renewed automatically, the rest is not.

[hydrox]

And not to take into service, but to leave in the troops for trial operation and a set of operational statistics - we have such experience ...

[K-612-O]

Do not fall. The agreement does not prohibit the development and production of new carriers and warheads. The limitation is only by the number of platforms, carriers, and warheads deployed.

[asv363]

START-3 does not prohibit the development of new ICBMs and warheads. It's just that there is a limitation, if the change in the diameter of the first stage and length of the ICBM is <3%, then the new carrier is counted as before. And if the resizing is larger, then the coordination mechanism, to be honest, I don't remember.

[Air force]

To fall in, then they fall, but as I understand it, formally they go to replace obsolete systems, some are removed, others become on combat duty, rotation, so to speak.

[Every]

Quote: nikolas 83

They are terrified of them. They still do not have such weapons .. I have not read the contract. Knowers clarify whether new weapons are covered by the contract or not.

START-3 limits the number of carriers, not their composition.

Article 2 establishes:
........... the total number of weapons did not exceed 700 deployed ICBMs, SLBMs and strategic missile-carrying bombers, 1550 charges on these missiles, as well as 800 deployed and non-deployed launchers of ICBMs, SLBMs and heavy bombers .........

But the specific types of carriers ("Poplar", "Yars", "Bulava" or "Voevoda") will be determined by the parties independently. Only their total number is limited.
And now the striped ones want to limit the number of new types of weapons, that is, the same "Petrel", "Daggers", "Sarmat", etc.
It will not be possible to create more than agreed by the contract.
In response to this, you can demand to include in the contract "Tomahawks", but it is clear that the Yankees will never agree to this.
Apparently, they intend to withdraw from the contract and have now begun to lay straws.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Every

Apparently, they intend to withdraw from the contract and have now begun to lay straws.

The same stupid "be-be-be" as with the downed Boeing, Novichok and the INF Treaty. The fantasy has died out and won't start, only the names are changed.

[Every]

Quote: g1washntwn

Quote: Every

Apparently, they intend to withdraw from the contract and have now begun to lay straws.

The same stupid "be-be-be" as with the downed Boeing, Novichok and the INF Treaty. The fantasy has died out and won't start, only the names are changed.

Fantasy, not fantasy, but everything goes to this. And, in the end, everyone will fall down on us again. Americans have already begun to set the stage.
And ours, as usual, are silent. Although now it is necessary to raise a fuss in the media, on the Internet, in the UN, etc. that the stripes intentionally put unattainable conditions in order not to renew the contract.
But no, then in the Foreign Ministry they will again make round eyes and scream about injustice.

[g1washntwn]

Quote: Every

striped intentionally put unattainable conditions in order not to renew the contract

Such pre-impossible conditions for the United States were put by him for a very long time. This is a consideration of missile defense and the entire nuclear potential of NATO, UAVs, etc. in the strategic balance. They will never subscribe to it, but they need at least a fake weight, a weight on their scales, including in the information war. Therefore, they make claims only on those issues that cannot be verified and proved. According to START, it was never required to prove the provisions with detailed design documentation, and according to their statements it is obtained only by disclosing such information and it is possible to prove the groundlessness of their claims. They understand that we won’t provide anything like that and they will seem to be right in the eyes of the world community. Gentlemen are supposed to take a word, but what did you think?

[Graz]

forest of the Yankees, and there’s nothing to talk about, in vain Putin cries everywhere that they don’t want to talk and listen to us, they once warned Europe that if all the dead where the Yankees are standing didn’t hear their problems and there’s no reason to talk about it anymore

[svp67]

Pentagon head proposes to include all latest RF weapons in START-3

[Ross xnumx]

It is time to exclude the United States from the list of countries with which you can conclude any treaties or agreements - why should Russia accept conditions that are obviously unacceptable for itself?
American "glass beads" are too simple a gift for sovereignty and independent politics. And Russia is not a group of inhabitants of island states who did not hold mirrors in their hands.

[Valery Valery]

In this regard, bewilderment arises: is it not in the United States and the liberal environment of the Russian Federation that they recently stated that Russia does not have any advanced weapons, but only presentations and "cartoons."

"Cartoons" also need to be included in the contract !!!!
To register in a separate line - to prohibit Russians from showing any animated films in which Good defeats Evil!

[Berber]

"Cartoons"[i] [/ i] - by the way weapons.

[Cottodraton]

Include their missile defense as violating parity

[Hagalaz]

HaHaha! And include the whole Russian army there!

[vadson]

during the course of the new START treaty, roughly speaking, 20 years to develop new technologies, spend a ton of money on all this and ban everything at once? naive. with the current level of development of access to information, here the people will put the whole gang of watering can on the pitchfork who will not only sign it but also offer it

[Reserve buildbat]

In this case, the contract must oblige the mattresses to physically destroy the missiles, the rocket and nuclear industries, all developments in this area and dissolve the army.

[rocket757]

What can you negotiate with cheaters - bandits?
About the degree of turning out of their pockets ???
In short, complete nonsense reinforced by Wishlist .... the chapter suffered !!!

[Pacifist]

The United States is incapable of negotiating the word "generally". They conclude all contracts only in order to slow down the rest until they catch up. The most correct thing is to send them in a known direction, or to set conditions for the de-occupation of Europe, dismantling the European missile defense sector and withdrawing US troops and weapons from Japan.

[kill the fascist]

It is clear that this is a sketch of a fan and it was made for some purpose, but in Russia such declarations cannot cause anything but laughter. As the last decade has shown, they cannot force us either by the threat of force or by economic pressure. The calculation is only for the fifth column.

[mirag2]

Yeah. The face won't crack, pigs?

[Vladyka Ecumenical]

To believe them means not to respect yourself.
It is not necessary to conclude any agreements, God forbid Putin and Russia from such agreements, it will be like in the USSR, when we destroyed all real developments, and the mericatos are fictional cartoons.
The same thing is happening now, they currently do not have what Russia has, therefore, they will go with joy to ban what they do not have. This is a bluff like in cards.
Do not give in to cheating.
As soon as the USSR / Russia appears really promising developments, so only they immediately try to stop it all.
They are the bandwagon of Russian progress.

[syndicalist]

... Is it not in the United States and the liberal environment of the Russian Federation that they recently stated that Russia does not have any modern weapons, but only presentations and "cartoons."

So it’s a liberal environment, and this is the military department. They should have ordered a monument to Putin from Tseretelli for a long time. At the end of the zero budget, NATO didn’t even have enough cleaners - nobody wanted to pay contributions to the organization. And now even always loyal Finns want to share their budget. And you say cartoons :)

[Alexey-74]

As always, cunning Americans want to drive Russian arms under the Treaty, and to reserve everything that is both current and promising ....

[Avior]

Trump has long said that it is necessary to include all nuclear weapons, including tactical ones, in the new treaty.
As well as the Chinese.
It seems that there will be no new treaty, but there will be a new arms race.

[neoshef]

It’s time to get used to the fact that Americans lie like they breathe. No need to look for some morality in their actions and actions. All their actions are subordinated exclusively to their interests, everything else is secondary.

[kostyanblch]

In my opinion, even cats in the garbage can know that the contract with the United States is worth the price of the paper on which it is printed.

[Operator]

Quote: Vita VKO

Therefore, the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation should clearly state that the primary objects for retaliatory nuclear strike will include areas and islands on which American oligarchs build refuge

Already "registered" - in the form of the KR "Petrel" with YAPVRD and megaton special warhead.

[vmo]

Why not turn it on, it doesn’t exist even after the Americans.

[Afghan1979]

This Yankee does not understand that Russia and Rusich can be deceived once, twice or three, but constantly fail to fail.
Gorby destroyed the SS20 Pioneer system and the BZHRK, more than 1800 warheads (he simply put over 800 states in storage), etc. So, it will not work to negotiate. The lafa is over and the countdown begins for them.

[dmitrii1885]

Here are the guts. I like their naivety. But, in my sofa opinion, this is possible if Gorbachev-Yeltsinvalny sits at the helm of the Russian Federation. And this has already happened.

[Old26]

Quote: nikolas 83

They are terrified of them. They still do not have such weapons .. I have not read the contract. Knowers clarify whether new weapons are covered by the contract or not.

No, it doesn't. But as a result of negotiations, clauses may be introduced into the text of the treaty (before that there will be agreed statements), where new systems can be included. A treaty is a compromise. In principle, the Petrel, Avangard, and Poseidon can be included in the prolonged START-3 treaty as new weapons systems

Quote: hydrox

And not to take into service, but to leave in the troops for trial operation and a set of operational statistics - we have such experience ...

Do not take into service, but leave for trial operation? What is it like? In any case, the trial operation will be after putting into service, but in order not to set it, but the trial was - I did not hear that. All documentation on the operation of where the troops come from, if the weapon is not in service?

Quote: asv363

START-3 does not prohibit the development of new ICBMs and warheads. It's just that there is a limitation, if the change in the diameter of the first stage and length of the ICBM is <3%, then the new carrier is counted as before. And if the resizing is larger, then the coordination mechanism, to be honest, I don't remember.

In fact, the parameters of the new and modernized missiles have not changed since the OSV-2 treaty. Below are the options.
- the number of steps;
- type of fuel of any of the steps;
- starting weight of more than 10%;
- the length of the rocket without MS, or along the length of the 1st stage by more than 10%;
- the diameter of the first stage is more than 1%;
- casting weight of more than 21% if the length of the first stage is increased by 5% or more.

if the number of stages and types of fuel are not changed in comparison with the previous model, the rocket is modernized. If not, new
Same with starting weight. More than 10% - new, less - modernized. Etc.

Quote: Every

And now the striped ones want to limit the number of new types of weapons, that is, the same "Petrel", "Daggers", "Sarmat", etc.

"Dagger" does not fit the term intercontinental carrier. At best, medium-range, but even this no longer existing treaty did not apply to such air missiles. The sea-based missiles were not limited either. so we simply will not "sew" the "tomahawk" to this agreement. Then you would have to count the "Caliber". But "Petrel", "Sarmat" and "Poseidon" can be included because of their range

Quote: ROSS 42

It is time to exclude the United States from the list of countries with which you can conclude any treaties or agreements - why should Russia accept conditions that are obviously unacceptable for itself?

Russia does what is beneficial to it. once it concludes an agreement with the United States, it means it has plans for it. The easiest way is to say "we will not conclude any agreements" and be left without pants, because we will simply be ruined by the arms race if there are no restrictions

Quote: vadson

during the course of the new START treaty, roughly speaking, 20 years to develop new technologies, spend a ton of money on all this and ban everything at once?

Contracts are not only a ban, but also restrictions. And it will depend on the work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs how much the future agreement will be beneficial to us ... Foreign ministers are falling - the agreement will not be in our favor. It will work as it should - it will be either profitable or a compromise

Quote: Pacifist

The United States is incapable of negotiating the word "in general". They conclude all contracts only in order to slow down the rest until they catch up.

Do others conclude agreements on a different basis? Exclusively to the detriment of yourself? The fact that each of the parties can withdraw from the contract is spelled out in any contract. True, we are beginning to consider the withdrawal of the Americans a violation .... We are holding our teeth "to the end" for the agreement, fearing that we will be accused of violating them, militarism and all other mortal sins. And it would seem, what is easier. If you cease to comply with the ABM Treaty, go out. But no, one must also get political preferences from this, and they can only be obtained by accusing the other side. And the fact that we, thanks to the US withdrawal from the ABM Treaty, were able to create wherever we wanted an early warning radar, closing the radar field - we are not talking about this plus. Emphasis on the fact that the Americans violated the ABM treaty

Quote: Vladyka Ecumenical

It is not necessary to conclude any agreements, God forbid Putin and Russia from such agreements, it will be like in the USSR, when we destroyed all real developments, and the mericatos are fictional cartoons.

And with this you can in more detail? When we destroyed the real development, and the Americans are fictional cartoons?

Quote: Alexey-74

As always, cunning Americans want to drive Russian arms under the Treaty, and to reserve everything that is both current and promising ....

Good opinions about our negotiators from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense. it turns out there are solid suckers sitting, since you hope that will be the way you wrote? May you deal with the conclusion of contracts. You know this business better than the Foreign Ministry and Defense Ministry.

[K-50]

Pentagon head proposes to include all latest RF weapons in START-3

And pistols with machine guns too?

[iouris]

START-3 will not. In our life.

[Okolotochny]

Is it not in the United States and the liberal environment of the Russian Federation that they recently stated that Russia does not have any modern weapons, but only presentations and "cartoons."

And not only them. Many on VO, "knowledgeable experts" (can they respond themselves? Are there men?) Stated this.

[voyaka uh]

Clearly, a new treaty is needed.
China has almost all medium-range ballistic missiles. And they can shy away, that across the Urals, that across Japan without an answer. Because neither the United States nor Russia will dare to respond with the help of ICBMs because of the danger of starting an accidental war between themselves. Any launch of an ICBM is cut off.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: voyaka uh

And they can shy away, that across the Urals, that across Japan without an answer. Because neither the United States nor Russia will dare to respond with the help of ICBMs because of the danger of starting an accidental war between themselves. Any launch of an ICBM is cut off.

If China strikes the BRDS even with conventional warheads in the Urals, the issues of a random war between the Russian Federation and the USA will no longer be relevant. Because such a strike means the beginning of a full-scale war with China, in which the use of nuclear weapons and ICBMs on both sides will be only a matter of time.
In addition, an "unanswered" strike on the Urals is impossible without neutralizing the four "eastern" RBRs on the Iskander. And the destruction of carriers of nuclear weapons sharply lowers the bar for the use of SBS.

[yuratanja1950]

"The extension of the START-3 treaty is possible if the treaty includes all the latest weapons created by Russia."...

Simply put, Russia must disarm and disperse its Armed Forces ... Why be shy, call a spade a spade ...
And even simpler to say, there are deliberately set demands that Russia will not accept, which means that there will be no extension of the START-3 Treaty !!!

[Ezekiel 25-17]

"... Who needs this Vaska ..."

[evgen1221]

His non-captain evidence is called the Pentagon. I had little doubt that when reconnecting, the U.S. amoebas shove all our weapons there, bashfully forgetting to mention their systems.

[Alexey RA]

In this case, it is necessary to include in the contract a ban on the main US weapon - the dollar.

[Tektor]

The states did not find a better argument in order not to extend the START-3.

[colotun]

So we have known this for a long time from the words of the Americans and NATO members themselves that all Russian weapons are subject to accounting and fall under the reduction under the START-3 treaty and vice versa = but all American weapons in no way fall under this.
So = it’s simple and clear who should disarm and who should never.

[Sergeantpro]

Quote: Wedmak

Americans added a couple of control blocks to PU

All they did was welded the shipboard PU to the channels on the concrete site. Nothing spectacular happened.