There is money, but it’s becoming more and more difficult to hold on ...

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Too much money - to spend or increase the "little money"?


Russia is in big trouble again - it has too much money. And as you know, money needs to be spent wisely. With what, as usual, we have big problems ...





It somehow happened that the so-called National Wealth Fund (NWF) by the end of July this year reached a record number of 7,86 trillion rubles, or 7,2% of GDP. It would seem to be happy and happy, but no: our favorite "budget rule" is formulated so that the NWF can be replenished only up to seven percent of GDP. Everything above must be spent. And not just like that, but to invest in the economy, which for our realities even sounds somehow unusual.

The problem is “exacerbated” also by the fact that if in the next 2020 year we need to invest 1,8 trillion rubles, then in 2021 the amount will become (according to forecasts) absolutely cloudy: 4,2 trillion. This, to make it clearer, is about 20 of Crimean bridges, which we need to build in a year. Moreover, this is not on budget money, not on the money of the NWF, but on surpluses that we cannot even add to the said fund!

Did you appreciate the scale of the tragedy?

Elvira Nabiullina was the quickest to orientate herself (it was not for nothing that I praised her!) - and let’s say, we’ll just increase the bar and everything will go on, as in the future. We will save, save, increase wealth, and nothing will need to be done.

The plan, of course, is ingenious, but it’s not very clear what prompted Elvira Sahipzadovna to voice it. Maybe, of course, she, too, was too lazy to mess with the extra money. Or maybe she simply better than us imagines that her colleagues from the government can “invest”, and thus wants to save the money saved. Alas, the second option is very plausible, but for all its reasonableness, one cannot fail to notice that investments in our economy would not even hurt.

Seriously, the problem really has a place to be. And its decision will largely determine whether the Russian economy will begin to recover, or whether the curse of the "budget rule" will continue to hang over it, depriving it of its last chance of development and a way out of the protracted crisis.

Ah, how dizzy! How dizzy!


The options are different. For example, the head of Rosgeology Sergey Gorkov proposes to direct the surplus of funds to the additional exploration of new mineral deposits. And at first glance, there is a certain reason for this: indeed, we need to take care of the resource base, since only it gives us some significant receipts of free funds. Roughly speaking, where they earned, they spent there to continue to earn more.

But this wonderful plan is very much like some distortions of the Soviet economy. Remember how we produced the most tractors in the world? As well as bulldozers, excavators, many mining trucks ... For what? And to mine more iron and coal. And why do we need so much iron and coal? And to produce even more bulldozers, excavators and dump trucks!

That is, it was a kind of vicious circle, the only plus of which was the creation of a sufficiently large number of jobs. But since the production of consumer goods was chronically lagging behind, the whole idea was rather a burden for the economy - when the money earned is nothing to spend, sooner or later it will hit the national currency. That, in general, we once saw ...

So now there are great doubts as to whether we should go along this path. To earn a lot of money in oil production, to extract even more oil, so that our “national treasures” could continue to enrich their owners - a dubious pleasure, frankly speaking.

There is one more nuance: our plans to scout something may go against the availability of the required resources in nature. Yes, in theory they should be, but ... But it can turn out, like with the Taimyr Peninsula, which is geologically similar to Yamal, like two drops of water, and geographically located literally in one step, and there are so far gas in at least some comparable amounts not found. Although everyone was sure that he was there, like a fool wrappers ...

That is, we can confidently say that these are not only dubious in content, but also very risky expenses. The money invested in exploration may pay off a hundredfold, or it may not pay off at all. And hardly in the current situation can we afford to place any emphasis on this ...

Loans, but to whom loans are inexpensive?


Another option for a reasonable, as it seems, spending money is to stimulate Russian exports. And this, in general, looks already much better, but even here there were some pitfalls ...

Yes, credit support for those who want to buy Russian weapons, build a nuclear power plant under our project, or perhaps acquire some technological equipment is a good thing. True, all this is being done now, and it is rather difficult to understand what the difference will be. What, loans will become even more preferential? It will be possible for borrowers not to give them away at all? Or will we begin to pay extra credit to use our money?

Again, it is hard to believe that the export deliveries of our weapons will increase at once at times. And the rest also applies. The mentioned markets are already saturated, so politicized that the growth potential in these areas is very weak, and somewhere near-zero. Again, if we talk about weapons, often there the main criterion is effectiveness, useless junk - even ours, even European, even American - and nobody needs a spirit.

But there is another, deeper, mistake in these arguments. Systematic, so to speak ... Unfortunately, our most ingenious economists naively believe that the owners of world markets will allow us to create a successful export-oriented economy. But both our own experience and some inferences abstracted from the economy allow us to say with confidence that this will never happen.

Dear comrade economists, understand already that Washington will never repeat with Russia the mistake that he made with China. Having once wished to create a kettlebell on the legs of the USSR, the Americans went to rapprochement with Beijing, provided him with the most favored nation status in trade, did not impede the development of its trade with the countries of Western Europe, and as a result received a monster that would soon make America second to the very fact of its existence the dollar is unnecessary, and the American AUGs are obsolete and low-powered.

They cannot afford such a failure even with Russia categorically. Therefore, let us leave all the good discussions about lush Western markets, export of deep processing products and the creation of a global financial center in Moscow to children, HSE graduates and the best Russian bookkeepers in the world.

Everyone who has even a drop of reason needs to understand: Russia can rise only by developing its own, domestic market, the significant demand of its population, and its high level of consumption. Only in this way, having abandoned the doubtful orientation to the markets of “developed countries”, we can make our own state developed. So, the way out of the WTO, protectionism, the development of cooperation with the closest (and often also in very difficult situations) states, such as Belarus and Kazakhstan. Only within the framework of such integration, within the framework of a single market, which jointly refused membership in the WTO and, in the future, assumes joint entry into it under completely new conditions, can we move forward as we need, and not as we are dictated from " Washington Regional Committee. "

This is all the more easy to do, because the lion's share of our exports is, nevertheless, the export of raw materials. And the West, no matter how much he wants it, cannot refuse Russian raw materials (otherwise it would have long ago refused).

Temporary clarifications of consciousness?


By the way, one of the ways of spending "extra" money involves a massive purchase of imported equipment for the development of domestic production. Which, in general, already looks quite reasonable: it is guaranteed not to accelerate inflation, it stimulates the very “import substitution” that we all love so much (and with which it is still very difficult), creates new jobs, expands the tax base, and so on ...

True, there is only one, but very unpleasant nuance: we are unlikely to be able to purchase everything we want. Well, they’re just not selling critical technologies, and that’s it. Neither in electronics, nor in metalworking, nor in communications, nor in a couple of dozen positions. In addition, there is a considerable risk of inefficient investment, such as someone A. Chubais bought, in due time, equipment for the production of microchips using the outdated (even at the time of negotiations!) Technology of 65 nanometers.

And yet it is interesting. Provided that it is not officials and “effective managers” from “state corporations” who will be engaged in this, but a real business that needs loans, even the most favorable ones, to give back sooner or later, the result can be much greater than losses. Moreover, we need to import substitution in many directions, from breeding chicken eggs (did you know, by the way, that all our well-being with providing chicken meat is based on the import of breeding eggs?) To cosmetics and, sorry, personal hygiene products.

Of course, one can’t help but recall that money can be invested in national projects, having, thereby, even more profit from them, but alas, money for them has already been provided for in the budget, and partially allocated. And judging by how those that have already been allocated are being mastered, adding nothing there so far is not necessary - this would be mastered ...

And yet, let's state the following: the fact that some damned control was found on the damned “budget rule”, at least in the form of pre-prescribed restrictions, is already good. Voluntary "self-castration" seems to be over, we have accumulated these funds and now, I hope, money will nevertheless go into the economy.

The main thing here is that they do not listen to my beloved Elvira Sakhipzadovna. And because we know them, many probably will want to take the path of least resistance and simply increase the cutoff line. It was 7%, it will become 10%, for example. Well, what about such and such, some kind of pathetic three percent!

And we together will continue to be proud of such huge reserves of money in a small box. And somewhere in the outback, slicing the last stale loaf, an ordinary Russian woman, an unemployed single mother will remember how much money we have in store for a “rainy day”, and even drop a tear of tender emotion on bread.

Again, salty bread tastes better ...
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  1. +39
    22 August 2019 01: 46
    It somehow happened that the so-called National Welfare Fund (NWF) by the end of July this year reached a record figure of 7,86 trillion rubles, or 7,2% of GDP.

    It remains to please the people in the regions with salaries of 15-17 thousand rubles, mothers with young children, pensioners in the villages ...
    1. +58
      22 August 2019 02: 24
      a lot of money, but we won't give you ... sick children, you will collect it on TV! (even animals, they feel sorry for their cubs). In the housing and communal services, splash a little, zadolbali on the neck of the people to go with their garbage and "overhauls", buy a guillotine, and put it in every city, chop off the heads of the thieving bureaucrats, the people will be pleased, again popcorn will go! yes a lot where money is needed ...
      1. +20
        22 August 2019 06: 12
        Well, Gazprom wants a trillion for the construction of an LNG plant. This is the priority .. No, manufacturing is great and taxes .. But here we were discussing the same medicine. Why not there.
        1. +64
          22 August 2019 06: 29
          As with everything else, the situation has been brought to the point of absurdity in the "Danish" kingdom. There is money for everything unnecessary and secondary, but not for the necessary and primary. There is money for countless bosses and fantastic salaries for state officials of state corporations, for completely immodest government spending, for huge armies of police officers and national guards. At the World Cup and Olympics ... And at the same time, there is still so much money left that there is nowhere to go!
          But, in a strange way, there is not enough money for the most necessary. Cheap, affordable loans for households and businesses. Investments in the real sector of the economy. For free medicine, for free education, for science, for retirement, housing and communal services, for orphans and children with disabilities ... you can go on forever.

          All this speaks only of poor quality management. In an ideal situation, money should not be free, it should be invested, it should work for the good of society and it should be lacking. If the money is free, then you just don’t know how to dispose of it correctly. Money should not be withdrawn from a weak economy; it should be invested in development, infrastructure, and the health of the nation. This is the most profitable investment. Money should not lie dead in a bag somewhere. Otherwise, they slowly but surely burn out and disappear. Even if they are invested in currency and different treasuries, they do not bring any benefit. Withdrawing money from a weak economy, supposedly for an airbag, we bleed the economy even more, bringing another crisis closer, then to burn this very pillow aimlessly.
          1. +25
            22 August 2019 08: 01
            Quote: Stas157
            There is money for everything unnecessary and secondary, but not for necessary and primary.
            Spend money on the National Welfare Fund on national welfare (jobs, salaries, increasing the purchasing power of the population, modernizing production and increasing the quality of manufactured goods, improving the quality of goods on the shelves, and oh, horror, increasing the share of domestic goods in general, and what a nightmare, discovery high-tech industries, and absolutely horrified - reorientation to export of high-value goods), in line with the transition to a four-day working week (1500 hours a year?) ... no! This is not for the mind of our government!
            1. +8
              22 August 2019 21: 14
              And why, then, do we tolerate such a government and a president who supports this government? Let's bring down at the next election everyone who has even the slightest connection with the current rulers.
              1. -1
                23 August 2019 00: 35
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                Let's bring down at the next election everyone who has even the slightest connection with the current rulers.
                It turns out that you need either all, or get Potroshenko.
                1. 0
                  23 August 2019 14: 25
                  Stop scaring Maidan and Ukraine! As a result, it is not one president who decides, but a bunch of deputies.
                  1. 0
                    26 August 2019 20: 48
                    Quote: kuz363
                    Stop scaring Maidan and Ukraine! As a result, it is not one president who decides, but a bunch of deputies.
                    Good. Gorbachev scare? Or Yeltsin? Kerensky?
          2. -18
            22 August 2019 14: 30
            It seems that money is needed a lot where - but why annually huge amounts of funds allocated from the budget remain unused ?! Yes, because ordinary machinists weren’t enough, locksmiths weren’t assembled, masons weren’t finished, road builders weren’t finished .... And Nabiulina, Medvedev and even all-powerful Putin didn’t have anything to do with it .... Yes, somewhere the guys gotten lost, they didn’t have enough money - It happens that the state machine is huge and slow. A businessman acts more quickly: he gets out of his pocket .... But as we fiercely hate these capitalist businessmen, they are ready to starve themselves, if only they get a little less.
            1. +5
              22 August 2019 21: 32
              Vitya, maybe you don't need to "juggle"? And how you cleverly identified the guilty:
              rank-and-file machinists weren’t enough, locksmiths weren’t assembled, masons weren’t informed, road workers were not finished ....
              For the sake of completeness, I forgot to mention the "famous" switchmen.
              And do not breed demagoguery, since it is known that officials are responsible for the proper management of all processes in the country. And the higher the official sits, the more he is responsible. Well, official Putin sits above everyone else, which means he must be responsible for everything.
              1. -4
                23 August 2019 13: 26
                One should not confuse state administration with production and business management. It is only at night "all cats are gray".
                However, to relieve oneself of all responsibility is a completely natural desire, but this will definitely not make life better.
          3. +1
            22 August 2019 21: 50
            Quote: Stas157
            In an ideal situation, money should not be free, it should be invested, it should work for the good of society and it should be lacking.

            The first Russian economist A. S. Pushkin: "As the state gets richer,
            And what lives, and why
            He does not need gold,
            When a simple product has."
          4. +1
            23 August 2019 12: 06
            I agree with you, BUT - it's fantastic ... and it's not just that science fiction is for us, it's fantastic in general, comprehensive ... for the whole World, for our entire civilization.
        2. 0
          22 August 2019 13: 35
          The sweetest doctors to swipe from the budget got the better of it, as did the builders. And the yachts will be built.
      2. +22
        22 August 2019 09: 09
        Quote: Aerodrome
        . sick children, collect on TV! (d

        In general, of course, as far as shameful children are concerned .. make a fund, call it "presidential" and let all members of the government, the president and his friends, deduct billionaires from their incredible income ..
        1. +11
          22 August 2019 10: 44
          Volodya, my confessor, when he restored the temple, he did not take money from either thieves or bandits. He took a pretty penny from ordinary people and restored it for 10 years. Maybe here for children it’s not worth taking money from the very ones ... who turned the situation with sick children this way?
          And to spend money not only on operations, but on a factory for the production of instruments, medical equipment, etc. Create teams of young engineers and doctors and give them carte blanche.
          1. +14
            22 August 2019 10: 57
            Quote: Galleon
            And to spend money not only on operations, but on a factory for the production of instruments, medical equipment, etc. Create teams of young engineers and doctors and give them carte blanche.

            I do not believe that this team will be able to create something ... they are not capable. Therefore, based on the realities, I think that they could at least bring some kind of benefit. It’s a shame .. while people voice their pain all over the country, while they collect it, you don’t have time for an operation and how it feels, it’s so bad for your parents, and then tell the whole country, fall at your feet ..
            Of course you are right, state money must be correctly spent and invested, but they don’t know how ..
        2. -11
          22 August 2019 14: 36
          Money for health will never be enough. And no state can ever provide everyone. Recently it was reported on television: more than 40 million rubles a year are needed to maintain one child with a rare disease. And emit. But at the same time, others do not have funds for basic medicines ..... A difficult problem. always decided only on mercy.
          1. +4
            22 August 2019 18: 58
            Quote: Victor N
            more than 40 million rubles are needed to maintain one child with a rare disease per year

            More than 50 miles are spent on the upkeep of the beloved President, who, incidentally, no matter how responsible for anything in a day.
            Federal Law of November 29.11.2018, 459 N 18.07.2019-FZ (as amended on July 2019, 2020) "On the federal budget for 2021 and for the planning period of 312362 and 7." http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_58/0f1209dbef471c28e41e006c5c397f026ecc303e2019/ Expenditure item 20 "Administration of the President of the Russian Federation." Section "Functioning of the President of the Russian Federation". The planned expenditure figures for 21, -21 and -372 in billion rubles, respectively: 990,5, 21 700, 101,4. We take a calculator and divide 22 billion rubles by 113 days. We receive: 583,8 21 372 rubles PER DAY!
            1. -1
              22 August 2019 21: 43
              I found about the same numbers on the network:
              In 2018, in order for the head of the country to function fully, 15,945 billion rubles are allocated. This figure must be divided by the number of days in a year. If the resulting figure is rounded, then a day for the maintenance of the main person of Russia from the state budget funds are received in the amount of 43,5 million rubles. This is reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/realty/41200425/?utm_content=rfinance&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
          2. +5
            22 August 2019 21: 20
            Quote: Victor N
            To maintain one child with a rare disease, more than 40 million rubles are needed per year. And emit. But at the same time, others do not have funds for basic medicines ....

            You look at how much is stolen, received in the form of "parachutes" and accrued in the form of salaries and bonuses to our managers! Enough for all the children! Miller receives 2 million a day. All the same, the sense from these experts is like a goat's milk.
            1. 0
              23 August 2019 12: 49
              "Miller gets 2 million a day"
              About 4.5 ...
      3. -10
        22 August 2019 13: 31
        There are no concrete, real investment projects! And why? Yes, because ordinary Russians, who were instilled with fierce hatred of mythical oligarchs, have choked business. And offhand: which of our businessmen is admirable? From whom do young people take an example? After all, it is customary to damn us for yachts and mansions, and praise God for production successes - God forbid! Here and now: representatives of the people called in their comments at least one real proposal ?! No, just judge, condemn break! OUR fault, OUR!
        1. +10
          22 August 2019 14: 40
          Quote: Victor N
          From whom do young people take an example? After all, it is customary to damn us for yachts and mansions, and praise God for production successes - God forbid!

          Nobody curses the businessmen who really achieved everything themselves .. but the civil servants, the top management of state corporations are building castles for themselves, obviously not for their own ..
          Quote: Victor N
          Here and now: did representatives of the people mention in their comments at least one real proposal?

          You just don’t want to hear or accept these proposals .. Watch the Grudinin’s election video, how many sensible proposals did anyone hear?
          1. -5
            22 August 2019 17: 43
            And I, here, have not learned to visually define: build on "my" or "not on my".
            As for the "sensible proposals", Grudinin also failed to formulate them normally. And nobody will invest money in vague wishes.
            Check yourself: remember the names of the businessmen who "achieved everything themselves." If you don't remember, it means that there is prejudice.
            1. 0
              22 August 2019 19: 09
              So behind Grudinin stood the watchman - Zyu. "We have a strong team, we are ...." For more than 30 years he grinds his tongue.
            2. Alf
              +3
              22 August 2019 20: 38
              Quote: Victor N
              remember the names of businessmen who "achieved everything themselves." If you don't remember, it means that there is prejudice.

              Or maybe there are simply no such businessmen? Who "themselves", and not those who managed to snatch a piece?
              1. Alf
                +1
                22 August 2019 21: 19
                Quote: Alf
                Quote: Victor N
                remember the names of businessmen who "achieved everything themselves." If you don't remember, it means that there is prejudice.

                Or maybe there are simply no such businessmen? Who "themselves", and not those who managed to snatch a piece?

                Minus was put, but the list of "self-made" businessmen was not presented ... The trend, however.
              2. +5
                22 August 2019 22: 48
                Alf, there are such. My father was never there, my mother is a cleaner, a guy from the south, I personally know. A huge confectionery company in Moscow and in other cities of Russia, as well as abroad, now a rich man, and there was a poor boy, no one helped, as he made his way - a fairy tale! There perseverance, perseverance and performance - for ten. But as soon as he turned around, the security forces came and entered the stake. But no, that’s how they would take the company away. I’m not going to give the name of the guy, so as not to fail, and you probably know the company's products.
                But this is our capitalist reality - disgusting. For example, Korkunov broke down and sold his business. I can't even imagine what it would look like in the States. For example, CIA officers come to young Bill Gates and say: "Take us a share, guy! Otherwise ..."
                In general, we are building a gloomy disgrace, not capitalism. I’m wondering, isn’t it embarrassing for Putin? Or are there not even the rudiments of conscience? Does he really not understand what he has created, or is he pretending to be?
                1. Alf
                  +4
                  22 August 2019 23: 10
                  Quote: depressant
                  I’m wondering, isn’t it embarrassing for Putin?

                  I think not.
                  Quote: depressant
                  rather than building capitalism.

                  Lyudmila Yakovlevna, do you think that such phenomena are rare under capitalism? Forced to disappoint you, such phenomena are the features of capitalism. If someone has achieved something, then, upon reaching a certain level, they begin to be interested in those who have divided this field a long time ago, and either take it as a share or excuse me, capitalism is the norm.
                  Quote: depressant
                  CIA officers come to young Bill Gates and say: "Take us a share, boy! Or else ..."

                  I don’t know about the “share”, but the fact that all large firms are connected with the state is a fact, and it is unlikely that BG would have turned around like that if the military were not behind it.
                  The development of such a network was entrusted to the University of California at Los Angeles, the Stanford Research Center, the University of Utah and the University of California at Santa Barbara. The computer network was named ARPANET (English Advanced Research Projects Agency Network), and in 1969, within the framework of the project, the network united four of these scientific institutions. The work was funded from the budget of the US Department of Defense.

                  This is about the Internet, which was created specifically for military communications.
                  And There, too, communications are all decided, and so the whole top of the United States is tied by blood ties and it is unrealistic to achieve a more or less high level for someone else.
                2. -1
                  22 August 2019 23: 12
                  Quote: depressant
                  I’m wondering, isn’t it embarrassing for Putin? Or are there not even the rudiments of conscience? Does he really not understand what he has created, or is he pretending to be?

                  And let's imagine that the real Putin, this one
                  long dead, back in the last decade. Cunning guys put this artilleryman on as president
                  , which, in fact, wherever you spit, is not at all in business. Why does he need some shame, conscience or understanding when it comes to the brain braying of the population of a huge country?
                3. -3
                  23 August 2019 12: 54
                  "Isn't Putin ashamed? Or is there not even a rudiment of conscience there? Does he really not understand what he created, or is he pretending?"
                  Pretending, but it’s not clear why ..
              3. 0
                23 August 2019 13: 34
                If you do not accept businessmen, then come up with who will develop the economy, manage successful industries. Just don't talk about the bankrupt "red directors".
                1. +2
                  23 August 2019 15: 37
                  Take an interest, for example, who moved the economy of the Republic of Ingushetia before the revolution. "Bankrupt" - what do you call the transition of 90% of the largest enterprises, entire industries to foreign jurisdiction? Do the words pop up - treason, betrayal - all about business?
      4. 0
        22 August 2019 13: 46
        Quote: Aerodrome
        splash a little in housing and communal services, they zadolbali on the necks of the people to go with their garbage and "overhauls"

        I, of course, agree that our economic liberal commanders are somewhat reminiscent of "couch" commanders, but here you "burned out" the test! Garbage, then, go, we ourselves "produce", and for the overhaul of apartments, go, collect our own? So whose neck should it be? Even here you are not in the subject "dispersed". IMHO. But in essence of the article, I think that the state has withdrawn from the management of the economy, but is carried away by the accounting bureaucracy, which becomes a brake on the development of science and production.
        1. +4
          22 August 2019 14: 44
          Quote: Den717
          Garbage, then, go, we ourselves "produce", and for the overhaul of apartments, go, we collect our own? So whose neck should it be?

          You simply or not in the subject or did not understand. We produce the garbage ourselves, that's right, but we don’t bill ourselves for its disposal, but in the bill, the interests are already in place, which should halve, or even triple, our fee for garbage, as well as for overhaul and other utility bills . In other words, many are profiting from housing and communal services, outrageously raising prices.
          1. -1
            22 August 2019 15: 22
            Quote: Svarog
            and in the long run, interests are already in place, which should halve, or even triple, our fee for garbage

            Who promised this to you? Even by simple everyday logic, setting up a garbage recycling and destruction plant is much more expensive than simply dumping it on the ground. This whole "garbage program" provides for the destruction of the current volume, which is formed every day, as well as the elimination of already accumulated stocks, i.e. landfills, which have overgrown all settlements. In which document did you see the promise to reduce waste collection fees?
            Quote: Svarog
            overhaul

            Overhaul at a cost of almost 2/3 of the new construction. You are the owner of your apartment. After 20-30 years, the normal terms for the overhaul of your home will come up. Can you (or your heirs) find in your current receipts such amounts as to overhaul your property + common house communications? I'm not sure. I am sure that half of the neighboring owners will not find this money. The result will be emergency housing, from which you simply scatter after the first fact of a fatal collapse. Then, of course, all the victims will begin to write to presidents of all levels to save, resettle at someone else's expense. And with what fright should I extinguish your greed and myopia with my taxes? So you will soon demand that you change your wheels on your personal car for the state budget. There is an option not to pay for overhaul. Settle under a social or commercial contract of employment. Then the owner of this property, who is interested in the work of the property, will pay for the overhaul. After all, the owner of the house pays for the overhaul of a private house, and this does not surprise anyone. And if in your opinion there is an overpricing, then take the paper and write to the FAS, court, prosecutor's office. There are precedents, successes in claims too.
            1. +10
              22 August 2019 18: 39
              Quote: Den717
              for processing

              Are you aware that a waste recycling plant makes a profit?
              Quote: Den717
              There is an option not to pay for overhaul.

              Do you know why people do not pay for overhaul? Yes, because the money goes to no one knows where, and without a service agreement. If the overhaul fund falls apart, where are the ends to look for? The Samara overhaul fund in the first year of its existence bought the new Landcruiser 200 and Camry. With the money of the payers, he has no other income. And how tenders are held among contractors - all bidders know the price tag for a win.
              And yet - the state fulfilled its duties by dismantling the housing stock before the transfer to the owners?
              1. -2
                22 August 2019 18: 53
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Are you aware that a waste recycling plant makes a profit?

                I already unsubscribed to you my attitude. From one time did not get it? fool
                1. +1
                  22 August 2019 19: 02
                  Quote: Den717
                  I already unsubscribed to you my attitude.

                  About garbage, or in general? wink
                  1. +1
                    22 August 2019 19: 03
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    About garbage, or in general?

                    generally...
                    1. 0
                      22 August 2019 19: 12
                      Oh, they were offended, priests! Yesterday with such persistence they ignored a simple question (5 times), and after giving an example of a similar situation in your family, they were offended, and .... AGAIN NOT ANSWERED! Denis - don't be stupid, the question was about your not understanding the term "Image damage", and I asked you, IF your daughter is accused of prostitution, will this be image damage to you and your family? If you ask me about the same, then I EXACTLY answer - WILL BE. You are like a muslin young lady - "Fu, what a boor, I don't talk to you!"
                      1. -5
                        22 August 2019 19: 14
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Oh, offended then, priests!

                        You just need to name the address? You can’t do without it ....?
                      2. +5
                        22 August 2019 19: 15
                        Is there no fate to answer?
                      3. +3
                        22 August 2019 21: 49
                        For him, of course, not fate. B-a-l-a-b-o-l will never answer a specific question, but will spin like in a hot frying pan.
                      4. -3
                        22 August 2019 23: 02
                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        For him, of course, not fate. B-a-l-a-b-o-l will never answer a specific question, but will spin like in a hot frying pan.

                        They say that it’s good to taste dung with people of your plan ... They always rush forward without a team.
            2. +9
              22 August 2019 21: 26
              Quote: Den717
              In 20-30 years


              You will not find this money! There will be no Medvedev and Putin, and the new government will say that the previous ones have stolen. Isn't a feint with retirement money enough for you? Already stolen under this power and there are no ends. So do not expect overhaul will be at your expense
              1. 0
                22 August 2019 22: 59
                Quote: Silvestr
                You will not find this money!

                At our meeting, the HOA constantly reports on this money. And the control mechanism of these funds is prescribed in the housing code. I live in my country because I partially trust the country's legal system. It was once said about military pensions that they would either cancel or equalize with a citizen. But the time has come, and the pension has come, and in the volume in which it was supposed. Today I have no reason to believe that the government, which will be in 15 years (my house will begin to be repaired on schedule in 15), will score on the current laws and collected funds and allow the operator to refuse to fulfill obligations. Do you believe that they are sure to be robbed? Believe ... what else should you advise? Not all worthless forecasts come true, fortunately.
                Quote: Silvestr
                Isn't a feint with retirement money enough for you? Already stolen under this power and there are no ends.

                Was it stolen from you? And how much have you invested PERSONAL funds into this stolen pension? After all, theft is when something YOURS is illegal, suddenly and secretly passed into the ownership of others. Several years ago I became a member of the program of one NPF. I have personal investments, insured by the state, so if theft (bankruptcy) happens, I will not lose mine anyway. It's just that I may not receive investment income. It’s not healthy, but it’s not fatal either. But if suddenly what has not broken for 22 years does not break for another 9 years, then I will receive practically another pension and will be able to go on vacation at 65 without thinking about the need for working income. So in this, as you say, "feint" I will get tangible benefits. Fate (government) planted a lemon? We should try to make lemonade out of it ...
                1. -1
                  22 August 2019 23: 46
                  Quote: Den717
                  But if all of a sudden that which did not break 22 of the year,

                  I don’t understand what this 22 of the year has not broken?
                  Quote: Den717
                  Did fate (the government) plant a lemon? We must try to make lemonade out of it ...

                  Heh, I see Carnegie’s adherent ... How does the textbook help?
                  1. 0
                    23 August 2019 07: 16
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    I don’t understand what this 22 of the year has not broken?

                    NPF
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    How does the tutorial help?

                    It is.
                    1. +4
                      23 August 2019 09: 59
                      Quote: Den717
                      NPF

                      A few dozen of them burst.
                      Quote: Den717
                      It is.

                      The tactics of the two-faced ̶А̶Janus.
                      1. 0
                        23 August 2019 10: 28
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        A few dozen of them burst.

                        Yes I know. Any future financial investments and operations are risky. Therefore, investing the last funds without insurance, a kind of adventure. Today the BS is insuring deposits up to a certain amount. Why not try?
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        The tactics of the two-faced ̶А̶Janus.

                        Your idea is not entirely clear ... The world is not unambiguous. Any "plus" carries a "minus". Also in the opposite direction. The main thing is to try (at least) to consider a phenomenon, an event from different points of view. Any knowledge, thought can be used for salvation or to improve at least your outlook. Living with the constant thought that everything that surrounds you is aimed at deceiving you is annoying. It is impossible to live with pleasure in a besieged fortress.
                    2. 0
                      26 August 2019 04: 10
                      As for NPFs, recall about the state pyramid?
                      I’m talking about a program with financing and a program of points in exchange for money. We have not heard how a private entrepreneur for 9 years paid voluntarily for a program from financing and points in exchange for money of 7,5 million. And then he was awarded the minimum pension because enough. It’s all ... there was more percent in the bank, and there would have been more money, but about insurance, I would have scattered it among foreign banks too, but if I had tried a simple citizen to take money out of the box, then the foreign exchange control would fly in. And domestic banks will trust
                      no, they don’t remember the Soviet deposits, but we repay the tsar’s debts to the French, it’s possible, probably for the bribe ..... If we have foreign banks, not branches, Arctic fox to domestic banks, in our country they don’t even cover inflation, and the state statistics agency underestimates inflation by 4 times. The IMF said that every 5 years from 00, the ruble depreciates twice, and there is this inflation of about 20% per year.
                      1. -1
                        26 August 2019 08: 27
                        Quote: maximnik0
                        As for NPFs, recall about the state pyramid?

                        I've heard a lot of these horror stories. Moreover, there are also friends who actually receive a second pension from this NPF. I have already said that any movement into the future is risky. I have chosen this path. You reject this. Suggest otherwise. Criticism without analysis and alternative is nothing more than criticism. How do you yourself propose to avoid retirement begging? Working to the grave? Child support? Accumulation on deposits? Suggest ... There are hundreds of us. Everyone assumes something as a measure of support for themselves and their families. You can create a "bank of ideas" right here. If it helps at least one, the implementation is justified ... wink
                      2. 0
                        27 August 2019 09: 42
                        No need to reinvent the wheel - everything is invented by us an invisible pension contribution. The only thing that needs to be done is to allow the currency to be indicated as a contribution, (the ruble is not trusted and interest does not cover inflation) is the same Swiss franc, for 30 years the railway tariff has been recalculated once. This indicates the stability of the currency, what does railway tariff have to do with it? Read, learn a lot of interesting facts.
                      3. -1
                        27 August 2019 10: 37
                        Quote: maximnik0
                        everything was invented for us by an invidual pinsion contribution.

                        The same NPFs, the same risks ....
                2. -1
                  23 August 2019 13: 33
                  "At our homeowners' association meeting, this money is constantly reported. And the control mechanism of these funds"
                  You’re talking nonsense, this money has already been stolen 2 times in our former housing department, the only option is selling and buying in a new house ...
                  1. 0
                    23 August 2019 14: 20
                    Quote: Ehanatone
                    2 times already stolen this money in our former jeka

                    So let me steal. So they bred you like ...... Erase your tears and create an HOA. Although, what do you create with such approaches? After all, everything incomprehensible and unexplored is rubbish ...
    2. -1
      23 August 2019 19: 49
      Serfs do not give money - it is better to invest them in hostile countries.
      That's all we need to know about this power ...
    3. -2
      24 August 2019 11: 00
      Whiners ... All if only they would give you money ... It's disgusting! is it a great Russian people? Beggars! :))
  2. +15
    22 August 2019 01: 58
    Cheap housing (for some categories for free), free higher education and medetsina ... the rest we will earn.
    1. -8
      22 August 2019 15: 41
      Quote: besik
      we’ll earn the rest.

      The rest, as I understand it, the content of the toilet? laughing
      1. +3
        22 August 2019 18: 41
        Quote: Den717
        The rest, as I understand it, the content of the toilet?

        Do you eat on the toilet? belay Now I understand why everything suits you. laughing
        1. -4
          22 August 2019 20: 08
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Do you eat on the toilet?

          Man walk around the edge Yes

          You generally do anything but to be rude, troll and say stupidly, are able?

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          With such "partners" in the bathhouse for soap, you should not bend down

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Are you climbing your bedroom window through your window? wink

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Your daughter is accused of prostitution. Is it image damage to you personally or not?

          This is only a couple of days. Not too much? negative

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I OFFICIALLY do not work anywhere, but I pay taxes regularly. 20% VAT, real estate tax (which is in the mortgage), transport tax, excise taxes in gasoline, Plato in each item ..

          Minus income, minus FSS, FOMS ...

          But free medicine for yourself and your family you want. The government is to blame for you, Putin ... well, everything except you is shorter. How, with logic, are all the rules? Oh my friend? wink
          1. +4
            22 August 2019 20: 37
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Man walk around the edge

            Man himself has spoken what he has spoken. The "rest" for the vast majority of the population is food.
            For everything else, there is only association, not a single rudeness, obscene language or insult. So walk past Kitty. wink
            As for taxes - how much do you think should be the total tax to the state, taking into account direct and indirect taxes? This is a direct question from Kees.
            1. -3
              22 August 2019 20: 46
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              This is Kees's direct question.

              This is a question for Kiss, so let her answer you.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Regarding taxes ...

              ... I pay taxes. From cover to cover, with a rather big salary. And at the same time, I don’t whine, like you, about the "inaccessibility of free medicine" and other goodies. Which ate exactly like you, smart guys.

              Feel the difference, as they say Yes

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              For the rest ... not a single rudeness, obscene or insulting

              Well, I see ... how can you plead guilty at least for something yourself?

              Ask the moderators, for example - is there definitely no rudeness? provocations? trolling? flood?

              I’m afraid you won’t be pleased with the answer ... my friend negative

              PS: I don’t intend to discuss with you, you just got tired of your performances. What I pointed out to you, IMHO I have the right laughing
              1. +1
                22 August 2019 21: 01
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                And so I don’t whine, like you, about the "inaccessibility of free medicine" and other goodies.

                But what about at least half the population who receive less than the average salary in the region?
                Yes, and the question was not, yes Kitty? wink How convenient is it not to answer the question, calling it stupid, insulting and at the wrong address, right?
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Ask the moderators

                And after that I should go to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and ask them a question, are there any signs of any article of the Criminal Code in my comments? No Kitty, there is you for that. Knock non-stop, although it seems like an adult man over 50. I am glad that admins and moderators are much more sane than you. And most importantly, more decent.
                1. -2
                  22 August 2019 21: 47
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  But what about at least half the population who receive less than the average salary in the region?

                  We translate arrows? It’s familiar ...

                  It’s about you, who is right for everyone, who doesn’t pay taxes (you don’t need only VAT!), But free medicine with education for yourself and your loved ones — wanting and loudly demanding.

                  You see, my taxes - on you and your large (according to your words) family - may not be enough request

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Knock non-stop, although it seems like an adult man for 50

                  Uh-huh ... who is the loudest "stop the thief" shouting, do you remember? wink

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  ... admins and moders are much more sane you...

                  Well, here ... and you climb to teach others to live ...

                  You should write to learn correctly, for starters ... you’re getting to the fifty dollars, don’t you? It’s time already laughing
          2. +1
            23 August 2019 14: 25
            Heh! I have one friend tipchik managed to make a very expensive operation on coronary artery bypass grafting. For free, by quota. He also does not pay taxes, although he has a rather big income from his activities. And, by the way, he is also a fan of pronouncing standard phrases of a liberoid: stole, lost, etc.
        2. 0
          23 August 2019 09: 50
          somehow the ends don't meet
      2. +2
        22 August 2019 21: 28
        Quote: Den717
        The rest, as I understand it, the content of the toilet?


        Your only problem?
        1. +2
          22 August 2019 22: 39
          Quote: Silvestr
          Your only problem?

          I have no problems. I do not wait for manna from heaven and blue helicopters. You have to pay for all the good, and I perceive it quite adequately.
  3. +7
    22 August 2019 02: 22
    money must be spent wisely. With what, as usual, we have big problems ...
    That's for sure. This problem is probably right after someone and roads, well, probably after "they wanted the best, but it turned out as always."
  4. +18
    22 August 2019 02: 30
    Yes, damn it, preferential loans to small and medium-sized businesses, since the gentlemen in the government are concerned about the development of the middle class and the growth of the welfare of citizens))) Only their concern so far has been slightly transformed into real affairs. Most likely, nothing will change further in this regard. Sakhipzadovna obey, and will continue to sit on the priest exactly. Bear - to sleep. The owner of the Bear - with satisfaction (and affection) to glance at the sleeping Bear, burying the oars on the galley.
  5. +33
    22 August 2019 02: 44
    The author probably joked, calling more than 7 trillions big money (only 2.6 trillions took to save several Moscow banks), and also forgot to mention another budget rule, characteristic of our country, this is already the turn of those who want, and the turn will come only to those who are closer to the body, and these nimble guys, with imagination, will sort this money out for a ball and even not enough. Of course, loans will be cheaper so as not to offend friends, and they will not remain in debt ... winked This is if the money does not decide to stupidly leave the NWF, which is also quite realistic. So for start-ups of new producers of the non-primary sector (cheap loans for small and medium-sized businesses), breeding eggs with the purchase of the latest machines MAY FORGET. In the Berendey kingdom, everything is stable.
    1. +18
      22 August 2019 06: 49
      Quote: DEPHIHTO
      The author must have joked, calling 7 plus trillions big money

      More than $ 100 billion is a considerable amount.
      Quote: DEPHIHTO
      2.6 trillions were spent only to save several Moscow banks

      But this is a crime. They themselves created a problem - an inefficient banking system and thieves' private banks. Now they are putting it out at public expense.
      1. +12
        22 August 2019 06: 57
        Stas hi I kind of explained why it’s a penny request If these barriers are excluded, then yes-money is serious and could help the non-resource sector of the economy, but who will exclude these barriers today? I support the second point. Yes
  6. -4
    22 August 2019 03: 11
    pay off debts on penalties mortgages rent ...............
    1. +2
      22 August 2019 12: 32
      Is it not fate, apparently, to go on traffic rules? We will mow, and we will pay fines for us. It is enchanting.
  7. +23
    22 August 2019 03: 31
    The smartest thing the government could do is start paying child benefits. Stupidly 10 thousand per child. To everyone. One child - 10 thousand. 3 children - 30 thousand.
    For rich families of whom we have a minority, this would not play a role, but the loss is small as well, as a rule, they have few children. But for families with salaries of 15-17 thousand, and especially for single mothers, it would be a help and stimulate the birth rate. They would have confidence that they could at least feed them without problems.
    1. -6
      22 August 2019 09: 43
      You would be in the Federation Council a representative of the great gypsy people.
    2. -1
      22 August 2019 12: 33
      It's not gonna go. In terms of fertility. In Europe, children's benefits are not like ours, but the birth rate is often lower than ours. You can’t raise the birth rate with money - this is a matter of mentality.
      1. 0
        23 August 2019 09: 52
        I think it makes sense to check ... adding housing is free.
        1. +4
          23 August 2019 09: 59
          Also does not take off. The value system has shifted towards consumerism and children have no place here. A lot of acquaintances, wealthy people who do not need neither housing, nor money, childless, although they could afford a few kids in the family. But no, they prefer to live for themselves. This is not a matter of financial position, but of heads.
      2. 0
        11 November 2019 12: 38
        Genesis defines consciousness, or mentality. For families with an income of 50 tons or more, a member of the family is not a ride. For them, it’s like a crumbling elephant. And for families with an income of 10 tons per family member will help.
    3. -2
      22 August 2019 13: 21
      But for families with salaries of 15-17 thousand, and especially for single mothers, it would be a help and stimulate the birth rate. They would have confidence that they could at least feed them without problems.

      This is sheer nonsense, because there are already enough mothers who breed poverty, homelessness, children are brought up on the street (their intellect is appropriate), and even children's money is drunk / shit. And such mothers give birth regularly, only the fathers are different for everyone. A friend works as a trainer in a boxing school, often go to competitions across the borders from the Kaliningrad region, so children often ask what patronymic they should write in the documents, because mom today has a new "dad". This is normal?
      With what measure to approach this problem? To whom to give children 10tr per child, and to whom not?
      1. +1
        23 August 2019 09: 53
        Well, do not measure everything with one arshin
    4. +1
      22 August 2019 21: 35
      Quote: malyvalv
      Stupidly 10 thousand per child. To everyone.


      You are joking! Now, on mother's maternity leave since the 2nd year, they pay 50 rubles! Medvedev will have a kondrashka!
    5. -2
      24 August 2019 00: 41
      Single mothers should not be encouraged to give birth.
  8. -4
    22 August 2019 04: 11
    I look at us people who are avid for free, forgive debts, help mother alone, etc.

    What for? To get even more debts and single mothers more?

    Bab, do not throw, there will be no single mothers !!!

    Why do people need a head then, the debts of someone forced to take and give birth at 16-18 years old from someone else, they also force someone ?!

    And now everyone from the budget wants to pay for the hotel ?!

    No, dear ones, these are your problems that you yourself have created - yourself and solve it at your own expense, and not at state's expense.

    And stop whining about SMS for children !!! There are 72 million able-bodied citizens in the country, of which about 20 million are not registered as working anywhere and do not pay contributions to either the pension fund or the health insurance fund. And these non-payers are the most indignant about SMS for the treatment of really seriously ill children. In other countries, everything is the same, insurance does not cover such serious illnesses, only nobody collects money with SMS, there they do not care about the problems of others.

    But of course, you need to spend some money from the NWF, but not to eat today, but how grandchildren and great-grandchildren will spit tomorrow, you need to spend on something that will give a return in the future.

    1. For example, on the development of transport infrastructure - we have almost all roads in one lane everywhere, here they are all redone at least in two-lane in each direction, otherwise the truck will hurt, people risk overtaking, fight to the death. And since there are two lanes in each direction and beauty, only how much fuel will save on a smooth ride, without acceleration and braking. Billions The road will become faster, more comfortable, safer.

    2. A bridge to Sakhalin is needed, to modernize ports and airfields wherever it is needed, from Kaliningrad to the Kuril Islands. Our people are everywhere there, but few, there will be bridges and ports - there will be many.

    3. We need to develop and invest in those industries where we have a failure - machine tool building, electronics, household appliances, hygiene products. Due to the fact that all this import, our money flows out of the country, enriching foreign companies and the budgets of their countries.

    And this is new jobs and the opportunity to earn money and will make our life in Russia more comfortable and richer.

    We need to close our economy inside the country so that most of the goods that the population consumes from telephones and vacuum cleaners to cars and airplanes are produced in Russia !!! And import is a small addition to competition and assortment, but for expensive.

    Do you want an iPhone? Please, but conditionally + 10% duty to the price and half of this duty should go to the development of Russian electronics + money from the National Welfare Fund, these funds should be built on the basis of Rostec or another corporation and factories and laboratories and institutes that will develop our Electronics, if not a competitor to iPhone, but at least an average smartphone that a child can buy should and should be done by ourselves.

    And with the rest as well, and then and there you can make such companies public and sell shares on the stock exchange, make companies private.

    It is necessary that Russia has its own Samsung, its own Bosch, its own Procter and Gembel, otherwise you cannot buy a Russian screwdriver or a toothbrush.

    Gobble up the whole thing is not tricky, after 25 years there will not be enough oil in Russia for export, what will we do next ?! Remember how in youth a hamon ate and bought iPhones and tell this to hungry grandchildren ?!
    1. +15
      22 August 2019 04: 42
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      It is necessary that Russia has its own Samsung, its own Bosch, its own Procter and Gembel, otherwise you cannot buy a Russian screwdriver or a toothbrush.

      He knows his Russian abroad - armament, but it’s hard with everyday life, it’s necessary to raise it. No screwdrivers? What's this. I in 2010 in Arkhangelsk, bought a small package of toothpicks. Forest edge like, but the toothpicks turned out to be Chinese! What a tin! It turns out that we cannot even plan such a small thing ?!
      1. +15
        22 August 2019 04: 49
        Yesterday I could not buy dies. No, no! And they are going to start the tram. (x / f "12 chairs")
      2. +15
        22 August 2019 06: 43
        In vain you are so, we can practically everything that toothpicks on figs are. But the tax and all kinds of supervisors can do even more, they can take everything you have earned, where by law, and where by lawlessness.
    2. -8
      22 August 2019 04: 46
      The problem is that the share of labor costs in consumer goods enterprises is highest compared to other sectors. Given our demographic situation, the production of consumer goods in our country has no prospects. Firstly, we do not have enough labor, and secondly, we cannot compete in terms of its cheapness with other developing countries. Accordingly, it is necessary to rely on sectors with a higher share of costs for fixed assets - energy, fuel and energy complex, chemical industry, heavy industry, mechanical engineering, instrument making and so on.
      1. +24
        22 August 2019 06: 48
        we do not have enough manpower, and secondly, we cannot compete on its cheapness

        He himself understood what he wrote, we have a lot of people toiling without work, and those who work plow for a penny. Or am I wrong? And how is this consistent with the above scribble? Or a salary of 11 thousand at a mechanical plant is normal?
        1. -7
          22 August 2019 09: 50
          This fits perfectly with what I wrote. Owing to the high competition from imported consumer goods, its own Russian production for the most part breathes in the air - there are a lot of bankruptcies, surviving enterprises pay miserable salaries in order to at least somehow stay afloat. If even the production of components for mechanical engineering such low salaries, then about the rest of the industry and say nothing ...
        2. 0
          22 August 2019 10: 33
          Quote: Ros 56
          we have a lot of people without work

          laughing At the same time, a bunch of unclaimed vacancies! Nonsense !!!
          1. +4
            22 August 2019 18: 56
            Quote: Serg65
            At the same time, a bunch of unclaimed vacancies! Nonsense !!!

            With what s / n, Serge? We in Tolyatti have an average salary of 27 tr, and this is not great money, as you know. So, it’s almost impossible to really find a job with such a salary, which would still be according to the Labor Code and the labor code. Especially when you're over 40. hi
            1. +1
              23 August 2019 08: 03
              hi Have a nice one you too
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              With what s / n, Serge?

              So is there any work? Then why write that people toil without work ????
              .. I can’t find a job with a salary of millions of rubles. Putin is to blame for this 100% !!!
              laughing You yourself are not funny ?????
              1. +1
                23 August 2019 08: 06
                Quote: Serg65
                You yourself are not funny ?????

                No Serge. The vacancies are really full, but they are 15-17 thousand rubles. How to live on this money? request
                1. +1
                  23 August 2019 09: 45
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  How to live on this money?

                  laughing Is it better to sit at home and wait for manna from heaven?
                  Well, I’m wondering .. let's say the god decides to play a joke on Russia again and in the 24-th president of Russia will be Grudinin, to slander everyone who doesn’t agree to shoot, to nationalize everything, a year later you are standing in line to the half-empty counter who will you fire up, Igor?
                  1. -2
                    23 August 2019 11: 21
                    Quote: Serg65
                    all to sit down, who do not agree to shoot, to nationalize everything, a year later you are standing in line to the half-empty counter who will you fire, Igor?

                    And why do you think that he will return the country to the 37th? There are many examples of countries with cap. we are building and at the same time with the social state.
                    1. +2
                      23 August 2019 11: 41
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And why do you think that he will return the country to 37?

                      Her, not to 37, to 17! Does he have to fulfill the promise you need? I have to! Landings and dismissals of the majority of the administration at all levels will go, the question will be who to replace, will be replaced by activists i.e. without specialized education in management i.e. Shvondery. He promised to nationalize, it is necessary to nationalize, and this is a breakdown of financial, commercial, logistic ties. The money that falls into your hands will end in three years, and then 37 will begin!
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      There are many examples of countries with cap. we are building and at the same time with the social state.

                      Yes, then you need to declare the Tolyatinsky Republic (it is desirable to grab Ufa) and you will be happy!
                      1. -5
                        23 August 2019 11: 49
                        Quote: Serg65
                        without specialized education in management i.e. Shvondery.

                        Sergey, do not exaggerate. Here you are, although a pro-Putin comrade, but not stupid and realistic at the same time. What do you think, would you manage on the spot, say, the Minister of Emergencies, Agriculture and other posts close to you personally by profession? Or are you starring? wink
                        For myself, I’ll say with confidence that I did not star.
                        And yes, Serge, Stalin was a seminarian and a raider. hi
                      2. +4
                        23 August 2019 12: 51
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Or are you starring?

                        Igor, my friend, I had a very good life school, at the moment I occupy a very decent position that corresponds to my education, and it’s very corrupt and dangerous and you know, I sleep peacefully, I go on golf of the 93 year and I feel quite fine!
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        in place let's say the Minister of Emergencies, agriculture and other posts

                        Igor, this level is higher than mine in knowledge, not in education, management knowledge, honestly I would not have managed. And it’s too late for me to study ...
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Stalin was a seminarian and a raider.

                        Is this news to me, in your opinion? Not only that, I will surprise you with others .. Stalin was Rockefeller's confidant during the Baku strike wink
            2. +3
              23 August 2019 10: 29
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              We in Tolyatti average s / n 27 tr

              Hmm ... here, offhand:


              And you really don’t need to be able to do anything, note laughing

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              ... really find a job with such a s \ n almost unreal...

              good laughing good

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Especially when you're behind 40

              Man, I’m 57. I can change my job - even now, with a paycheck. The salary is white - by default, I do not consider others simply.

              I just have something to "sell on the labor market." But you don't. That's your whole problem request
              1. -2
                23 August 2019 12: 05
                > The salary is white - by default, I don't just consider others.

                What's the point?
                It will not affect your pension anyway.
                But the income will significantly (very substantially) reduce.
                1. +2
                  23 August 2019 12: 52
                  Quote: Ilshat
                  It will not affect your pension anyway.
                  But the income will significantly (very substantially) reduce.

                  laughing We do not pay taxes, but we’ll break a throat for retirement !!!!!
                  1. -2
                    23 August 2019 12: 55
                    Did not guess.
                    I don’t think about pension at all and I don’t care about it at all.
                    1. +1
                      23 August 2019 13: 03
                      Well, a flag in your hands, what are your years!
                      1. -1
                        23 August 2019 13: 06
                        I completely agree, why the heck to bother about something that you most likely will not survive.
                        Now I work under a fixed-term contract, as a subcontractor.
                    2. +2
                      23 August 2019 13: 15
                      It is known: "the jumping dragonfly ....."
                      1. -1
                        23 August 2019 13: 17
                        Yeah, well, of course it's better to save half your life and then not live ...
                        Cool, cho ...
                        And fucking as beneficial to those in power.

                        It's cool that it seems like a little time has passed, but everyone forgot about the funded pension campaign, as it is affected by the white-black sn.

                        And she is frozen!
                        And most likely it will not be thawed.
                        And in general they will soon cancel.

                        "The head of the State Duma Committee on Labor, Social Policy and Veterans Affairs Yaroslav Nilov proposed canceling the funded part of the pension ..." We in the committee are convinced that the funded pension should be removed from the compulsory pension insurance system, or rather, there was no need to introduce it. "
                      2. +5
                        23 August 2019 15: 29
                        It seems like you are dreaming of breaking a bank. smile Do not ruin people at the same time. negative
    3. +21
      22 August 2019 05: 19
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Bab, do not throw, there will be no single mothers !!!

      og ... I only, without thinking, had 5 guys who did not live to see 45 ... where are the children now? Everyone has motors and cancer.
      1. -2
        22 August 2019 10: 39
        Children, in the event of the death of the head of the family, are paid a pension, upon loss of the bread-winner, for each child.
        1. 0
          23 August 2019 13: 06
          Size know? God forbid ...
      2. 0
        23 August 2019 13: 19
        Of the 8 with whom I went to first grade, 5 did not live to see 45 — they drank themselves, but did not have children.
      3. -1
        24 August 2019 00: 50
        A single mother is not a divorced woman with children, and not a widow with children. This is a woman who has given birth to a child out of wedlock.
    4. +3
      22 August 2019 06: 39
      I am very much surprised, but you have not a single minus.
    5. +6
      22 August 2019 08: 48
      And let's hire a bus and ... in Sochi ...
      1. +1
        22 August 2019 11: 51
        Counter proposal - we will sew on a jacket with low tide and to Yalta!
      2. 0
        22 August 2019 18: 57
        Quote: VeteranVSSSR
        and ... in Sochi ...

        Local Armenians will not understand. bully
    6. +7
      22 August 2019 08: 49
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      We need to close our economy inside the country so that most of the goods that the population consumes from telephones and vacuum cleaners to cars and airplanes are produced in Russia !!!
      This is not enough - it is necessary that the local population have the opportunity to buy all this, and for this it is necessary to increase its income, including from single mothers. Well, there to reduce taxes, increase public sector salaries, etc. Example - most cars are assembled in Russia, and sales have fallen - because people don’t have money to buy a new car, a vicious circle!
      1. Alf
        +1
        22 August 2019 20: 45
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Example - most cars are assembled in Russia, and sales have fallen - because people don’t have money to buy a new car, a vicious circle!

        Do not worry, Upstairs thought about it, the law on old cars is pushed.
        1. 0
          23 August 2019 13: 09
          Well, don’t, it concerns commercial and not personal ... (for now) ... and not the law, but the bill ...
          1. Alf
            -1
            23 August 2019 18: 32
            Quote: Nikolay73
            Well, don’t, it concerns commercial and not personal ... (for now) ... and not the law, but the bill ...

            All bills that have come to the Duma suspiciously quickly become laws.
            They started talking about commercial transport AFTER the people went up, and they started talking about the transport vehicle somehow very unconvincingly.
            1. 0
              26 August 2019 13: 02
              Wait and see...
    7. +4
      22 August 2019 10: 50
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      and do not pay contributions to a pension fund

      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Sakhalin needs a bridge

      These phrases depreciate your generally correct thoughts.
    8. +9
      22 August 2019 11: 49
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      There are 72 million able-bodied citizens in the country, of which about 20 million are not registered as working anywhere and do not pay contributions to either the pension fund or the health insurance fund

      Do you think these 20 ml do not pay dues on their own whims? They work for private traders and the employer puts them in such conditions. And the conditions are such that now small and medium-sized businesses are barely breathing, but they are barely breathing, because the state created such conditions for it ..
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      In other countries, everything is also

      In other countries, there is the possibility of taking a loan at 2% and income there do not compare ours ..
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      on the basis of Rostec or another corporation and the factories and laboratories and institutes that will develop our electronics, even if not a competitor to iPhone, but at least we should make an average smartphone that a child can buy and we must do it ourselves.

      So they tried already .. they don’t succeed .. they are not capable.
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Gobble up the whole thing is not tricky, after 25 years there will not be enough oil in Russia for export, what will we do next ?!

      Now it’s not clear what to do, and when there is no oil, then all effective managers will flee abroad to their fortunes .. and then, again, the socialists will come and begin to rebuild the state, everything repeats in history ...
      And stop whining about SMS for children !!!

      A bridge to Sakhalin is needed,

      So according to your logic, the residents of Sakhalin by SMS should collect on the bridge .. Or is the future citizen of Russia not so important? And who will build bridges in the future?
      1. Alf
        0
        22 August 2019 20: 46
        Quote: Svarog
        And who will build bridges in the future?

        Ravshans and jamshuts.
    9. -4
      22 August 2019 12: 47
      That's it! Accustomed to counting on a "good uncle", the Fuhrer decides for us. Roads and other infrastructure are a must, but with industry everything is much more complicated. Samsung with Apple is really not to catch up, as well as Daimler-Benz with Toyota. A closed economy is a direct path to lagging behind (compare Soviet and Western consumer goods). But there are industries in which we are strong - and invest there. We have a lot of bright minds to invest in science, whatever they say about our education. Patents and technology are also good products. As for the two-lane roads: there are plenty of them in Europe, but they beat much less than in our country - it is customary to observe traffic rules there: there is a sign "80" - everyone will drive at this speed without rocker overtaking. There is chaos in their heads. Well, about 40% of the shadow economy is more terrible than corruption, here you are completely right.
      1. +1
        22 August 2019 21: 43
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Fuhrer decides for us.


        Have you made a reservation or affirm about the Fuhrer?
    10. 0
      22 August 2019 15: 00
      The most urgent problem in Russia today is the restoration of worn-out engineering networks for water and heat supply, sanitation, electricity supply - this is a lot of trillions of rubles, jobs. It is necessary to equip Russia!
      1. +7
        22 August 2019 16: 10
        Nonsense, engineering networks are repaired every year, metal is changed to plastic, they don’t rust. Electricity networks do not understand why change, unless the equipment. The main problem today is irresponsibility, impunity and incompetence. Shoemakers bake pies, and narrow specialists work as storekeepers. No damn good job get the fuck. Look at different sites who and where are required and what payment they offer.
        1. 0
          24 August 2019 14: 43
          You, apparently, do not know that there are statistics on housing and communal services, including the state of utilities. They just don't want to study it - the hair stands on end and the hands drop. There are almost no serious studies, and just scientific publications on the economics of housing and communal services - a sort of "territory of silence". Some "blah blah" ......
          1. +1
            24 August 2019 15: 43
            Yes, how do I know if I worked as a contractor in the UHLC system for the last twenty years of my life before retirement (until 2015).
    11. +3
      22 August 2019 18: 50
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      they are never listed as working and do not pay contributions to either the pension fund or the health insurance fund.

      I OFFICIALLY do not work anywhere, but I pay taxes regularly. 20% VAT, real estate tax (which is in the mortgage), transport tax, excise taxes in gasoline, Plato in each product .. It turns out in total more than 25%. This is me, officially unemployed. The rest of the mass of people pays more than 70% of taxes. When the king paid less.
    12. +1
      22 August 2019 21: 41
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      It’s necessary that Russia has its own Samsung, its own Bosch, its own Procter and Gembel,


      So Putin has already shown a smartphone of domestic production, where is he? Chubais instruct, he will fulfill everything. Last year, he created an electricopedic for 200 thousand - tell me, who needs it?
      So with our leadership we will have "champagne with seeds"
      1. 0
        23 August 2019 00: 31
        Yes, not a thing to produce your own smartphone. The question is different: who will buy it? I definitely won’t buy it, it’s better to overpay and buy something from reputable brands. Like most of us. And this means that the enterprise for the production of smartphones is a little shaken and bankrupt. Introduce barrage duties? An unpopular measure, the noise will rise hoo.
        1. +1
          23 August 2019 07: 07
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          I definitely won’t buy it, it’s better to overpay and buy something from reputable brands.

          If they thought so in China, then they would not have the same xiaomi, huavei and meizu. wink
          1. +1
            23 August 2019 09: 39
            The Chinese, who are more affluent, prefer the iPhone and Samsung. Xiaomi and Meizu are generally not held in high esteem - we and the countries of SE Asia are eating them. But Huawei - I agree, the company is solid, but smartphones are not their main products.
            1. +1
              23 August 2019 11: 36
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              The Chinese, who are more affluent, prefer the iPhone and Samsung
              Here is the 2018 smartphone sales rating in China.
              OPPO R15
              Vivo X21
              OPPO A83
              Live Y85
              Xiaomi Mi 8
              Xiaomi Mi 6X
              Xiaomi Mi 6
              iPhone X
              Huawei P20
              Huawei Mate 10
              1. +1
                23 August 2019 11: 42
                Honestly, I did not look at the statistics. I judge by tourists from the Middle Kingdom, which in St. Petersburg is immeasurable. Mostly iPhones. Or Samsung A and S classes. It is clear that not the poorest Chinese are going to Russia, the cost of the tours is very decent.
            2. 0
              23 August 2019 11: 39
              Best selling smartphones 2018: China (Canalys)
              Market share Q2 2017 Q2 2018 Dynamics
              Huawei 21% 27% +22%
              Oppo 19% 21% +3%
              vivo 14% 20% +30%
              Xiaomi 13% 14% 0%
              Other 33% 18% -51%
      2. 0
        23 August 2019 07: 08
        Quote: Silvestr
        where is he?

        Yes, in the same place as the automatic transmission on Grant, the development of which was the wife of Sechin. But they have mastered the money - billions! hi
  9. +19
    22 August 2019 04: 13
    Only in this way, having abandoned the doubtful orientation to the markets of “developed countries”, we can make our own state developed. So, exit from the WTO, protectionism

    For this, it is necessary to completely change the financial and economic vector of the country, i.e. remove libertarians from financial and economic leverage, for the author proposes to do the exact opposite of the current paradigm. And the presence of siluanovs, nabiullins with curls in backwater and what they do, IMHO, is quite comfortable with Comrade. The first.
    1. -8
      22 August 2019 04: 47
      What specific steps do you expect people to take to replace "libertarians"?
      1. +2
        22 August 2019 14: 52
        Well, at least part of what I quoted above - for example, increasing investment in its own infrastructure. I ask you not to put forward the thesis "they will steal it anyway". Not a minus.
  10. +15
    22 August 2019 04: 39
    Ah, how dizzy! How dizzy!

    I know what to do so that the head does not spin and dangles, the neck does not bend and the gateway does not get dirty:

    It is necessary to drive these legislators who pass such laws when a simple worker has to eat anything, and even look for salt.
    And how is the decree on the creation of 25 million highly qualified jobs progressing? belay
    Sometimes indignation reaches the upper limits. This is how people should be hated in order to ridicule their miserable existence to the last ...
    In Russia, there was not a single successful industry, not a single successful production, in the development and bringing to world standards of which it was not necessary to invest. Clumsy execution and high cost at the last stage made the country competitive in lending, banking, pharmacy and the sale of products of dubious quality in colorful packaging in retail chains. And all this inside the country. Even from ice cream with palm oil additives already turns up ...
    It is convenient to spend "excess" funds on additional capitalization of banks, saving Rosneft and Gazprom, investing in Rusnano so that Chubais suffocates with delight:

    And where are those top-level nursery schools? Where are the schools with warm toilets, canteens and gyms? Where are these competent health professionals who can exist for 16-18 thousand to which the sick and suffering will reach? Where is this working class? Where is the mass production of food? Where is this gasification, water supply, sewage? What to do with these squalid buildings in which people put their lives at risk daily? How to get rid of this architectural refinement when officials need to explain their responsibilities as follows:

    hi
    1. +5
      22 August 2019 06: 56
      Yes, and even look for salt.

      Do we have a problem with salt? I didn’t know, come to Sol-Iletsk in the Orenburg region and salt and watermelons with melons, they are the best in the country. Yes, and at the same time you can relax, here on the salt lake where only people do not go, even from behind a hill. And most importantly, it is impossible to drown in this water.
      1. 0
        22 August 2019 09: 37
        Every sandpiper praises its swamp. But is Astrakhan worse than that?
        and now in the case, who knows which watermelon is REALLY the best?
        1. 0
          22 August 2019 15: 52
          In all seriousness, I myself saw through the mailbox, some commission recognized, something like there was investigated. For what I bought, for that I sell it. good hi
      2. 0
        22 August 2019 09: 41
        There were ... `` Swam '' ... hi
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  12. +7
    22 August 2019 04: 57
    What are the investments in the economy? The crisis is already beginning, and the entire fund will subside, as if in a black hole. And then again it’s time to save. So relax and have fun.
    1. +3
      22 August 2019 07: 06
      Crisis or stagnation?
      1. 0
        22 August 2019 21: 48
        Quote: igorbrsv
        Crisis or stagnation?


        Medvedev will arise with Levoy legs- crisis, from the right- stagnation. And if with both, economic growth. Benefit VTsIOM with Oreshkin consider
        1. +1
          22 August 2019 21: 58
          Just with stagnation, it probably makes sense to inject money. And in a crisis request
          Understand where he is this crisis angry
          1. +3
            22 August 2019 22: 11
            Quote: igorbrsv
            Understand where he is this crisis

            He is in the yard! Sales of medicines by pharmacies, cars, meat in the country collapsed. Mortgage debts amount to trillions! Non-repayment of loans or delay in payments - rolls over.
            1. +2
              22 August 2019 23: 32
              I have a different opinion. Money for the Ministry of Health is stolen locally in the regions. This is exciting. Pharmacies only give prescription drugs, or sell them without it. There is experience in judging (reasoning) in this regard.
              Mortgage debts ... Defaults, risks. Yes, the percentage will be raised a little and that's it.
              He is already overpriced. There are more screams. A four-day-old wouldn’t hurt them. We have no crisis. In my mind. A crisis is a hopeless situation, a circumstance independent of us. Default at least. Well, here we have no crisis request
              There is stagnation. So it is necessary to even issue interest-free loans. For entrepreneurs. First of all, support the industry and agriculture. I don’t understand why banks are intermediaries here. There is some kind of central bank, there is a fund, well, then create some kind of "bank of targeted loans." Let him at least accept online applications or something. Let it have access to all databases. Let the economy be invested through it. And then the state will give the banks 7%, and they give us 18%. Why are they request
              I'm not an economist request
              But I already have my own signs of crisis
              1. +2
                23 August 2019 22: 26
                Quote: igorbrsv
                But I already have my own signs of crisis

                groups of signs of impending crisis:

                Slowdown. The economy is still growing, but the rate of this growth is starting to decline. Both the Russian and Chinese, and German economies, and the world economy as a whole are slowing down.
                The confidence of economic entities in continuing economic growth is falling: a decrease in confidence leads to a drop in orders for investment goods (for citizens, demand for durable goods falls). The number of newly launched investment projects is decreasing.
            2. +2
              22 August 2019 23: 43
              Yes. About cars. All overrun. Some Vesta and Ixreis are everywhere. This year. Like hotcakes. I didn’t look at the statistics, but these "cars were flooded."
              And with meat. I strongly disagree here. Maybe in your area. A kilo of meat ham 250 rub. Any sausage is more expensive. I used to love sausages. But she became bad and expensive. Our meat is now cheaper than chopped chicken. In terms of meat, the price has not changed. But the chicken has grown. And milk with cheeses. Eggs and sugar did not change. I’m not talking from polls. I’m used to eating, too.
            3. 0
              23 August 2019 20: 18
              Quote: Silvestr
              Non-repayment of loans or delay in payments - rolls over.

              In 1917, there were more than 14 trillion. rubles of overdue loans, now I don’t know, they stopped publishing information ..
  13. +2
    22 August 2019 05: 22
    Everyone who has at least a drop of reason needs to understand: Russia can rise only by developing its own, domestic market, the significant demand of its population, and its high level of consumption

    System error: this automatically pushes the Russian Federation away from the leading economies of the world - for example, China and the USA. For a very simple reason - the capacity of the domestic Russian market is not comparable. In the USA, even without taking into account satellites and colonies, there are 2 times as many people, even when the level of consumption in the Russian Federation is equal to American. OUR economy will be 2 times weaker. Immediately we are lagging behind. There is only one way out - to form a cluster. comparable in terms of consumption with Europe or China, or the United States.
    This trend is observed generally everywhere in the world. China forms the Asia-Pacific cluster. self-enclosed. The US is trying to build North American. closed to all - USA-Canada-Mexico. We have the option of forming what remains - the Middle East, part of Europe, although this is unlikely, the former territories of the USSR ... Perhaps Scandinavia. Otherwise, we lose without options. and become Spain-2. Also was a hegemon, became a province
  14. +8
    22 August 2019 06: 23
    Money should work, this is an axiom. The main thing is to determine the speed of money movement. If blood clots do not occur in this circulatory system, then the whole system is not in danger. In countries where money is moving fast, everything is fine with the financial system.
    1. +8
      22 August 2019 08: 04
      Quote: nikvic46
      The main thing is to determine the speed of money movement.

      It is necessary to link the interest of trade in trade by removing VAT to a minimum and obliging it to pay to traders.
      Quote: nikvic46
      If blood clots do not occur in this circulatory system, then nothing threatens the entire system.

      The circulatory system in Russia is very branched, only arms, legs, head, heart, liver and other organs of the Russian body are localized from complete blood supply. The whole stream goes to the bureaucratic-oligarchic stomach and other fillet organs.
      Out of my ear I heard people’s opinion that it’s so great to broadcast to the whole world about the sponsorship of Gazprom and Rosneft and pay the expenses (of them) for the maintenance of sports, football, hockey and other clubs at the expense of passive advertising users who pay all this through prices and tariffs from your own wallets with a reduced salary.
      1. 0
        23 August 2019 06: 24
        42 region. I completely agree with you. Only you did not indicate which body in the country is the heart.
    2. +4
      22 August 2019 10: 54
      Quote: nikvic46
      In countries where there is a quick turnaround of money, everything is fine with the financial system.

      With the financial system, everything is fine. But fast money is money of financial speculation and no more. And for the development of the economy slow money is needed - the money of private pension funds, as an example. In countries with a developed NPF system, the economy is quite strong.
      Money from the NWF can be just that slow money.
      1. +2
        22 August 2019 21: 51
        Quote: Galleon
        Money from the NWF can be just that slow money.


        That is if they are not stolen. While gambling with the state always ends in a fiasco. They have no faith, not a single (ONE) ruble
        1. +1
          22 August 2019 21: 58
          Sorry, you're right. The vast majority of attempts to create a non-state pension fund turned out to be theft and flight. However, in Russian Railways NPF is valid!
  15. +11
    22 August 2019 06: 46
    The joke is that my nashalnik, who will most likely be forcibly kicked in the ass to retire even this year, answered the question why we have the smallest salary in the company in our branch like this: either "I have money, but I don't know how to give it" (it’s not enough to raise a premium or some extra bonuses), or "I would give, but there is no money" fool As a result, every month of every year the surplus went back to the company, at the end of the year the nashalnik had a big sum in his pocket (bosses are satisfied with the individual who feeds them). That's how we live. The bureaucrats enrichment system works fine - there is money and we live poorly lol
    That's right, an example from life winked
    1. +3
      22 August 2019 09: 19
      Nobody has canceled bonuses for saving salary fund
  16. +4
    22 August 2019 06: 47
    I believe that Nabiulina acts strictly within the framework of the rules developed not by her, namely, the rules of the liberal market economy, which dictates to her the corridor of her opportunities, because she did not impose the Gaidar model on our economy, when the behavior of the state in the economy resembles the beating of a fly against glass in an attempt to fly ... The essence of Gaidar's reforms is that the smaller the state in the economy, the better. In fact, the question should be posed as follows - the fewer fools and embezzlers in the economy, the better, and whether the state rules or not is a secondary question. For there is a smart state. China is an example for us. ... ... There are questions about the article - the author criticizes the idea of ​​increasing investment in mineral exploration. At the same time, he still believes that after the purges, there are no competent specialists left in Rosgeology. It is clear even to me that investing in oil and gas exploration is not the task of the state now - Sechin will cope, but a problem will arise - he will fall to his ear, piss and get what he needs. It is necessary to invest in deposits of scarce materials. For example, in Yakutia, the richest niobium deposit has been discovered - a rare and very expensive scarce metal. used in metallurgy and electronics. Private companies refused to develop - because there is no basic condition for the interest of a private owner - to receive money here and now. The state, if there is nowhere to put money, can tolerate. The idea of ​​investing in the domestic market and thereby raising welfare is good, but utopian, because its implementation will require the strictest control of the state - and this requires brave and smart specialists, and not "effective managers", which are a dime a dozen, but zero sense.
    1. +9
      22 August 2019 08: 15
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      I believe that Nabiulina acts strictly within the framework of the rules developed not by her ... it was not she who imposed the Gaidar model on our economy

      It is necessary to find such courage in oneself, to head an office that simply destroys the Russian economy, turning all attempts to revive highly developed production with all the attributes into "monkey labor." The most important thing is not to disdain at the same time a considerable salary at the expense of the plundered population. This is the principle behind the invention of such positions and in the appointment of people with a pimply conscience to them.
      Higher and higher! The salary of Nabiullina has become even greater fellow
      No money, no money ... How not?
      Here they are! The head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, for example, wages increased by 25% compared with last year. And she began to earn 2,8 million rubles a month ...
      In her tax return last year, she indicated an income of 33,8 million rubles. Plus, her husband, the rector of one of the most prestigious universities in the country, earned a little less - 30 million rubles. For two for a year, you get a million dollars!

      I really want to shed a tear crying
      Now assigned to us Teter!
      And everyone here is certainly happy!
      Let us together we are now!
      Aunt kiss in the ass!

      hi
    2. +1
      22 August 2019 11: 04
      Private companies refused to develop - because there is no basic condition for the private owner to get money here and now.
      This is the problem, that business and the state live in one day - "after us, even a flood."
  17. +3
    22 August 2019 06: 53
    It’s impossible to make our officials work!
  18. +6
    22 August 2019 06: 58
    Pension reform, cuts in the defense budget, cuts in salaries for public sector employees, a gradual rejection of the effectiveness of compulsory medical insurance ... It looks like this profit is rather accounting, paper. Yes, and the people need to draw "success" against the background of "vote - otherwise you will lose."

    ps I doubt that these "trillions" have not been reallocated yet. bully
  19. +8
    22 August 2019 07: 04
    This is a national welfare fund. So spend money on the modernization of production with the state. participation and to stimulate fertility (maternity leave up to three years, child support, medicine). Especially for medicine (after all, two first-aid posts are better than one hospice, you will not need to look at the hospice)
    1. +3
      22 August 2019 07: 41
      Quote: igorbrsv
      This is a national welfare fund. So spend money on the modernization of production with the state. participation and to stimulate fertility (maternity leave up to three years, child support, medicine). Especially for medicine (after all, two first-aid posts are better than one hospice, you will not need to look at the hospice)

      ARE YOU SERIOUS???
      Well, where did you get such "seditious" thoughts / suggestions? Who suggested, the State Department? What "column" are you from, the fifth or maybe 55 ??
      PS ... I’m attaching myself next to the column, no matter how many guardians of our country, OUR PEOPLE call it!
    2. +7
      22 August 2019 08: 15
      First-aid posts say, in Vladivostok we have a large thousand-cell hospital. There is a hospital, the surgical department is no longer in it, all the surgeons, led by the chief of the department, went to a private clinic, because of the low salary.
    3. +4
      22 August 2019 08: 22
      Quote: igorbrsv
      This is a national welfare fund.

      They made it possible for the pension fund to "build legs" by allowing it to be plundered in an impudent manner, and you want this Caudla to share the national treasure it has collected? Shchassss !!!
  20. +4
    22 August 2019 07: 11
    No money, no treatment will help until the body gets rid of parasites. In a social organism - from “predators of overwhelming power”. But the “privatization results will not be reviewed” work. That is, the actions of the authorities are retrograde, restraining the recovery and development of the country. Still praying to the market, praying for medium and small business - for the priority of egoists, caring for the social - is this not absurd?
    We are discussing how to spend money. But is there even a hint of our - each - opportunity to influence the spending of money? Taxes will be collected from us, but nobody asks us how to spend the budget. Why not ask? Because the election is, firstly, a rejection of one’s will and ... that’s it.
    1. +2
      22 August 2019 10: 26
      It was necessary to revise the results of privatization in 2000. And now ... Let's say the house is built and the apartments are sold, and the owners again. And then bam and an illegal building. Who will be at a loss, the end buyer? You can't take anything from those privatizers. According to the documents, they will be beggars, or all will be abroad. You can plant, but then the ECHR will break the voice. Nationalize anything to try? So all foreign companies that still work with us will dump everything. Together with money, documentation. In principle, it can be good to reconsider and nationalize, and return to socialism. Only wherever you throw it, there is a wedge everywhere. And it can become so that later they will say - "why didn't we live?"
  21. +9
    22 August 2019 07: 19
    Some kind of paradox turns out, you can't invest your money in your economy, but we are happy to tell you how much foreign investment has been invested in the country's economy .. It turns out that we don't need our own money ... "Kisa, why do you need money? no fantasy "...
  22. +3
    22 August 2019 07: 38
    Russia is in big trouble again - it has too much money. And as you know, money needs to be spent wisely. With what, as usual, we have big problems ...

    The one who created this problem, nurtured, cherished !!! will fix it now ???
    ..... no words, what would I say so that would "not put in a corner" !!!
  23. +6
    22 August 2019 07: 42
    Money can be spent on demographics. For example, a program for the construction of social housing for youth. To attract student units to the construction. Build houses, preferably IZHS in the suburbs, to give to social renting to young families, with a profession working. After the birth of the third child, authorize the transfer of ownership. And still it is necessary to build roads, infrastructure, the basis of economic development. However, this country needs to solve demographic problems, but officials who have completely different intentions will distribute the money.
    1. +1
      22 August 2019 08: 27
      Quote: olimpiada15
      For example, a program for the construction of social housing for young people.

      good
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Build houses, preferably IZHS in the suburbs,

      Yes Exactly! Not faceless "hostels" of mass access, but real housing ...
    2. +3
      22 August 2019 08: 35
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Build houses, preferably IZHS in the suburbs, to give to social renting to young families, with a profession working. After the birth of the third child, authorize the transfer of ownership.

      Recently, such information caught my eye ...
      Belgorod authorities announced unprecedented measures to support young families. A loan of three million rubles at just one percent for 15 years for the construction of a house in endangered villages will be given to Belgorod residents who want to move there.
      In the first three years, while the new settlers will be built and settled down, they should not pay a ruble as a return of debt or interest on it.
      However, they can then reduce payments by simply giving birth to a child. After the first baby appears, a million will be taken away from the loan, the second - the same amount, and with the advent of the third - they will completely forgive the debt.
      ...
      The initiative has generated conflicting reviews. Skeptics called the offer tempting, but devoid of any sense. Who will go to the picturesque wilderness? How to give three million in three years if the children are not born - there is no work ... However, the district administration unexpectedly received a flurry of calls: "How can you participate in the program?"
  24. -1
    22 August 2019 08: 06
    One can see the money in this fund for the welfare of not everyone.
  25. +7
    22 August 2019 08: 26
    Bastards! Why in such a wonderful country is such a crappy government !?
    1. +4
      22 August 2019 08: 42
      Quote: Million
      Bastards! Why in such a wonderful country is such a crappy government !?


      So remember how you voted last time! Sami chose
      1. +4
        22 August 2019 08: 53
        I did not vote for them
        1. +4
          22 August 2019 08: 56
          Quote: Million
          I did not vote for them

          Me too, but someone voted
          1. -1
            22 August 2019 22: 10
            And I did not vote, and my relatives did not vote for them either. But how did they crawl?
      2. +6
        22 August 2019 09: 19
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Million
        Bastards! Why in such a wonderful country is such a crappy government !?


        So remember how you voted last time! Sami chose

        When they say this to me, my pressure rises .. but who voted for them? I don’t have friends, acquaintances, relatives who would vote for them and friends don’t have those .. but my friend has a wife who teaches at school and who was told to drop a bundle of whites in a certain ballot box ..
    2. +2
      23 August 2019 00: 24
      The government has not flown from another galaxy. It, oddly enough, came out of the people. With us, almost anyone who gets a job changes dramatically: right there swagger appears and arrogance and raking hands grow. It is checked on a set of examples, there are almost no exceptions.
  26. +3
    22 August 2019 08: 40
    We can say for sure that under this power, the accumulated money for the benefit of the people will not be spent. On Sechin, Chubais or Miller with Gref, yes, to facilitate the life of a simple people, no. Here we have the power of the "people"
  27. +4
    22 August 2019 08: 42
    It’s not at all a genius of the economy, I won’t say where it is better to direct them, but the fact that our government is incompetently profound is clearly ...
  28. 0
    22 August 2019 08: 45
    This is not capital, but money, capital is like Marx’s
  29. +2
    22 August 2019 08: 56
    We have come to a "new turn of the spiral". The past: the Communist Party did not want changes, he liked everything, the laws did not change. The result was collapse. Who doesn't want changes now?
  30. -3
    22 August 2019 09: 12
    Yes, undoubtedly the development of the domestic market is the right direction, but let's say we have mastered the domestic market ... And then again, stagnation? It seems to me the development of the economy is part of the way, further investments should go into science, art, into human development.
  31. +2
    22 August 2019 09: 13
    We have the same problem. NEED TO DEVELOP YOUR COUNTRY. This task comes into insoluble contradiction with the composition of our ruling class, which consists of people whose psychotype categorically opposes such activities. And these people, of course, want to stay with the helm henceforth.
    They may even sincerely want to perform this task! But they cannot, simply because they are arranged differently. No matter what they do, based on the structure of their personality, the same thing will happen - collapse, stagnation, destruction of any sprouts of progress. The maximum that may be is a partial increase in imported equipment, until the owners of the equipment pay attention to this growth and block the oxygen. I do not see a way out.
  32. +2
    22 August 2019 09: 23
    We need to invest in education, which in the last 20 years has been very degraded. Without a quality education, nothing else will come of it, how much money you don’t trick right and left. In Russia, the level of education should be not just one of the best, but the best in the world. Only then will it be possible to get out of the pit dug up to us by the West and pro-Western liberals in the Russian economy.
    And with better education, then new technologies will come, production will increase, the standard of living, medicine, culture will increase, the crime rate will decrease, etc. etc.
    1. +1
      22 August 2019 19: 25
      Quote: Esaul
      We need to invest in education, which in the last 20 years has been very degraded

      That is, over the past 20 years, the Soviet education system has been systematically and consistently destroyed and has been successfully finished off, and now Patriots Putin and Medvedev will invest in education?
      Quote: Esaul
      Only then will it be possible to get out of the pit dug up to us by the West and pro-Western liberals

      And who drove us into the pit? The treacherous West or the one who rowed 20 years in the gallery?
    2. 0
      23 August 2019 00: 04
      What makes you think that education has degraded? Our schoolchildren and students both took and take prizes at international olympiads. And graduates of our universities are quoted abroad. Another thing is that now those who are about forty years old and haven’t been allowed to go to higher education to go to higher education to go to universities.
  33. +2
    22 August 2019 09: 27
    Money should be spent on a competition to create an economic model for the development of Russia, only among professionals, not to allow athletes, show business. And then judging by the increase in the retirement age, and then the proposals to shorten the working week, experimenters who do not represent the consequences of their actions lead us. If not worse.
  34. +6
    22 August 2019 09: 37
    Then why raise the retirement age ???? If there is bulk money in the state! I think that soon they will be transferred somewhere away from Russia
    1. +3
      22 August 2019 11: 15
      And
      Quote: Blaster
      I think that soon they will be transferred somewhere away from Russia

      Since they are not stored in Russia anyway, invested in any obligations, they are listed in the fund.
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  35. Cat
    +1
    22 August 2019 09: 43
    And as you know, money needs to be spent wisely. What are the big problems with us, as usual

    Problems with the mind or money? There would be to deal with the roads ...
    1. +8
      22 August 2019 10: 21
      Oh boys! ..
      Whatever proposals you make here, the money has become noticeably lacking. The purchases are the same, in the same volume and even less, the cubic meters of the spent water are the same, and over the last month from the budget - it was lost!
  36. +6
    22 August 2019 11: 14
    Quote: DEPHIHTO
    breeding eggs with the purchase of the latest machines MAY FORGET

    It’s time to do the machines ourselves. The USSR has produced the entire gamut of equipment, the USSR has been gone for 40 years and the machines are still working. Now any tire-tire-mounting-repair is organized and German equipment is made in China. Is it time to rejoice their production, thank God not everything is ruined.
  37. +4
    22 August 2019 11: 36
    > Provided that this will not be done by officials and "effective managers" from "state corporations", but by real business

    Complete, 100% nonsense, which is in apparent contradiction with the observed facts.
    No "business" has created anything at all, has not built anything, speaking about the times after ww2
    Everywhere there are only plans, state-owned companies, state-run monopolistic associations, etc. - keiretsu, chaebols, etc.
    The Americans are yelling - let's get out of the WTO, in principle, our firms are not able to compete with Chinese state-owned companies!
    The same thing in Russia - the rise of the 2000s is connected with state-owned companies.
    These market cries are absolutely not confirmed by practice, because bullshit and hostile propaganda.
    Look at what the United States, England has turned the free market into, even here there are articles about it.
    No, monetarist marketers need to be driven to hell.
    1. +5
      22 August 2019 18: 12
      Hmmm .. It's hard to believe, but once Japan bought the machines with numerical control from us. And now this country has either already built, or is building such a plant with us, but has already managed to demand a signature on the papers that we will not steal its know-how.
  38. +1
    22 August 2019 11: 55
    I would have put extra reserves into capturing strategic leadership in narrow niches of production technologies, where the Russian Federation, with consistent efforts, is doomed to leadership. For example, titanium processing, the manufacture of ECIP and other aviation, the development of the Northern Sea Route, oil refining (especially heavy grades), livestock, metallurgy, nuclear and thermonuclear energy, a number of defense industries and much more. There are a lot of projects. If the government simply organizes everything normally (without too much press of taxes and raiders), creates a sane system of venture investment algorithms, this will give tremendous results after 5-7 years of regular investment.
    Want to do monetarism like in your dilemmas HSE textbooks? At first, increase the market controlled by the Russian Federation by 8 times, otherwise the little piggy is not enough for everyone.
  39. +4
    22 August 2019 12: 21
    Quote: Silvestr
    We can say for sure that under this power, the accumulated money for the benefit of the people will not be spent. On Sechin, Chubais or Miller with Gref, yes, to facilitate the life of a simple people, no. Here we have the power of the "people"

    People’s power ended in 1991.
  40. +1
    22 August 2019 12: 46
    To abolish the indirect taxation and for the first time to plug the NWF with a hole in the budget, and then everything will improve due to the growth of the main tax base. Without increasing the purchasing power of the population (at least due to the abolition of VAT and excise taxes), developing the domestic market will not work
  41. +1
    22 August 2019 12: 58
    How can this be if we, having a HSE in our country, do not have this economy at all. And in general, what kind of structure is it.
  42. BAI
    +2
    22 August 2019 13: 31
    The problem is “exacerbated” also by the fact that if in the next 2020 year we need to invest 1,8 trillion rubles, then in 2021 the amount will become (according to forecasts) absolutely cloudy: 4,2 trillion. This, to make it clearer, is about 20 of Crimean bridges, which we need to build in a year. Moreover, this is not on budget money, not on the money of the NWF, but on surpluses that we cannot even add to the said fund!

    Well, why did you have to raise the retirement age? What are the problems with financing PF? I do not exclude that before the election the topic will pop up again and the age will already be lowered so that they vote correctly.
  43. +4
    22 August 2019 13: 39
    But this wonderful plan is very much like some distortions of the Soviet economy. Remember how we produced the most tractors in the world? As well as bulldozers, excavators, many mining trucks ... For what? And to mine more iron and coal. And why do we need so much iron and coal? And to produce even more bulldozers, excavators and dump trucks!

    That is, it was a kind of vicious circle, the only plus of which was the creation of a sufficiently large number of jobs. But since the production of consumer goods was chronically lagging behind, the whole idea was rather a burden for the economy - when the money earned is nothing to spend, sooner or later it will hit the national currency. That, in general, we once saw ...

    If the output of agricultural machinery is a skew, then judging by this table (see 1980), the United States skewed more than the USSR twice. But Germany did not warp, but simply twisted - 8 times against the Union.



    And when will people get tired of using yellow cranberries from the 90s?
  44. +3
    22 August 2019 14: 25
    This, to make it clearer, is about 20 Crimean bridges that we need to build in a year.


    In Voronezh there is a bridge 50 meters long .. even an overpass ..
    So it’s crumbling for about 20 years .. the asphalt stands on end .. It was promised to start this year in the summer .. Well, as if the cranes are flying ..
    The roundabout on the ring has been "designed" since 2008 .. everything ends with bucks for projects ..
    In winter, the guber promised that in the summer they would finally begin .. Cranes fly ..
    The reason is no money ..
    In Moscow, the metro is constantly new, interchanges everywhere in several tiers, circumferential rings, etc. .. We can’t even pick up the overpass from the collapse of the Union.
    Ugh ..
    1. +4
      22 August 2019 14: 35
      Quote: Roman070280
      In Moscow, the metro is constantly new, interchanges everywhere in several tiers, circumferential rings, etc.

      Rolling paving slabs into asphalt and the eternal replacement of curbs in the capital of our country are much more important than some kind of overpass in Voronezh.
      1. 0
        22 August 2019 14: 39
        Oh, well, you .. here we also love to change borders.))
        1. +2
          22 August 2019 14: 45
          Quote: Roman070280
          here we also like to change borders very much ..))

          We have one too, but they haven’t seem to get to granite yet. recourse
          1. +3
            22 August 2019 18: 25
            Guys, borders in Moscow - that's what!
            In the kitchen window I watch how the neighboring three-story building is being repaired not only for the third year in a row, but this summer it has been plastering for the fourth time! Trash in tanks I carry, passing by. And I found that the last stucco is something like curly, rough. They say art, sophistication, only masters can put such a thing. And every time new brigades plaster. In someone dough rolled away! By the way, I regularly pay the overhaul tax on receipt.
        2. +1
          22 August 2019 20: 57
          Quote: Roman070280
          Oh, well, you .. here we also love to change borders.))

          Wow .. some kind of new chip from them went to change the curbs, but the asphalt is fresh .. absolutely good road, for some reason they remove the asphalt, which was just laid two years ago ...
      2. +1
        22 August 2019 22: 00
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        the eternal replacement of curbs in the capital of our country


        It’s no good to have ordinary borders in the capital, give them marble! laughing
  45. +3
    22 August 2019 14: 46
    Is it difficult to take a list of goods passing through customs? Make a list and purchase equipment and technologies? I'm not talking about processors or something complicated. The RF purchases the most commonplace things. For example: We sell a lot of wheat, and we buy its processed products back for currency. Buy a factory for this business.
    Or, say, we are proud of the export of wheat, but do you know who comes first in the export of flour? Turkey!
  46. -1
    22 August 2019 17: 03
    "Our" government has sold resources for tens of trillions of dollars over the past decades, and where is all this money ?! ..) in some muddy funds in cut American $ paper and also in a gold reserve, which no one has seen and which may disappear into the unknown direction overnight, like the gold of the USSR. Judging by the gestures of these rulers, the problems of the country and the people do not interest them at all ..
  47. +3
    22 August 2019 17: 04
    Miracles are one another miracle! I don’t have enough for retirement, but the chickens don’t peck, the country doesn’t have a single TV, microwave, etc., and they seem to want to reduce the working week to 4 days. I don’t have an allergist in the city polyclinic in my city and the city is under 200 thousand people. The allergist doctor ran away to a private clinic with 18tyr. I think I’m double the size, there is no ophthalmology department in the central hospital, they optimized it. If the eyes are treated, then only paid clinics of which there are not even two and the price tags are there. After the salaries increase to the average medical staff, her salary has become even lower. As they saw for salaries, and it’s a miracle, everything is fine in the report for superiors.
    1. +5
      22 August 2019 17: 23
      and we have closed a number of medical schools with optimization, and now they have abruptly opened, ordered to take all the dolts and began to teach social workers to junior nurses (they will teach for 3 months)
      1. +1
        22 August 2019 22: 03
        Quote: akunin
        with optimization we have closed a number of medical schools, and now they have sharply opened


        So Skvortsova’s shortage of 130 thousand nurses! Now they will catch up
  48. +5
    22 August 2019 17: 19
    They started talking about the egg-pot early - 8 months of the year passed, and the country's budget was spent on a little more than 40% (almost 60% was not spent), national projects were not implemented (money allocated), and what’s happening on the ground is a fairy tale, money is spent on all kinds of rubbish shit (just to be accountable to Moscow). logically, someone should seriously suffer (from the leaders), and the nasty people (as always) have suffered - they haven’t received anything, but only lost.
    1. +1
      22 August 2019 18: 49
      Moreover, the logic of the ruling class (oligarchy + bureaucracy) is impossible to understand. A few days ago, in one of the topics close to them, McAr said that they did not produce normal consumer goods in the USSR, but speculators imported from abroad so that the people wanted capitalism the way the government wanted it. Well here we are in capitalism. So what now does the government want? Let him explain.
      Because I do not understand.
  49. +1
    22 August 2019 19: 18
    Here is the main entrance. On festive days
    Obsessed with servile disease
    The whole city with some kind of fright
    She drives up to the treasured door;
    This is Nekrasov. Read on.
  50. +1
    22 August 2019 22: 05
    Quote: akunin
    national projects are not implemented (money allocated),


    There is a suspicion that all these projects, like the May decrees, are only for our ears. Nobody is going to fulfill them
  51. +2
    22 August 2019 23: 04
    It is useless to offer anything to the liberal layer that has occupied the entire economic and financial sector of the country. We must understand that while Gaidar’s children and grandchildren are sitting at the top, we will not receive anything from the National Welfare Fund or from anywhere else. This is a whole sect created in Russia with Western grants. Its only task: to strangle the country's economy in any way, even when there is money. So that Siluanov-Nabiulina has them, but in no case for industrial or consumer circulation. I must say, they cope with their task. Moreover, they manage, incidentally, to finance the non-systemic opposition through the Skolkovo and Rusnano foundations. In case the Kremlin dupes are washed away and it becomes necessary, you see, to take power. As if they don’t have enough power now. But apparently it’s not enough. Our liberals are tired of owning our money, but pretending that they are employees of a country that they have long and deeply hated. To the very roots of the hair. Even the kind Tsar-Father is no longer kind to them. And the people are generally a pack of flies hovering around their liberal cutlets. You can fantasize as much as you like about how we can wisely spend money (our own) for the good of the country. Liberals don't care. Chat, chat. We've had the fig in our pocket for a long time. There will only be one winner in this invisible but relevant dispute. Or liberals, i.e., sorry, economists, financiers, doctors of great sciences, or everyone else, including the Tsar-Father, who sincerely does not understand this. There is no third.
  52. 0
    23 August 2019 01: 23
    It's very difficult to hold on)

  53. -1
    23 August 2019 07: 21
    The colonial administration, seated in the chairs of that very “Washington regional committee” and diligently protected by the same regional committee, will never do anything for the country! Everything will be cut up, divided and taken away... Warm greetings to all adherents of the official version of the West’s ardent dislike for the Great Guarantor of all Guarantors!
  54. -1
    23 August 2019 12: 15
    For those sitting at the top, it is enough that the business will not be taken away, the police and missiles are on guard.
  55. 0
    23 August 2019 15: 26
    There is money, but no one wants to invest in medicine.