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In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"

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The Chinese media reminded readers that in a few days Russia will present for the first time to the general public the latest Su-57 combat aircraft, not only during piloting, but also in the format of a stationary exhibition. It is emphasized that Russia is preparing documents for the potential export of this fighter. In particular, it was noted that we are talking about a modification of the Su-57E, which could be interesting to China.


In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"


In the Sina Military publication, it was previously said that Beijing could order several Su-57 aircraft from Russia in order to subsequently apply some Russian technologies to its fifth-generation fighters. One of the technologies that is of interest to the Chinese is the technology associated with resistance to electronic interference. Also in China, they are interested in the engines of the so-called second stage, which, however, will not be on the first, installation, batch for the Russian Aerospace Forces.

It is worth paying attention to the comments of Chinese users regarding the fifth-generation Russian fighter. Some users who are interested in the military theme claim that the Russian Su-57 “cannot be classified as a combat weapon.” aviation 5th generation ":

Russia now does not have fifth-generation fighter jets, just as there is no corresponding technology, and China should not waste money (buy Su-57E). J-20 at times surpasses him. With the lack of invisibility technology, this plane turns into cannon fodder. We need to look for quantum radar technology.


Other comments:

Let's not be so self-confident. The technical legacy of Russia is still stronger than ours. Russia has large technical reserves, but it needs money to turn technology into products. Su-57 is ready to “bully” the F-35. It may not be as good as J-20 and F-35, but we need a comprehensive development of technology, we need technological mobility.

You can purchase several of these aircraft. Then we can find out all the vulnerabilities of our aircraft.

Well, no, it's better to buy your own J-20 in addition and simultaneously develop and improve them.

Buying finished fifth-generation aircraft is too expensive. We do not need to import aircraft from Russia, especially if we have our own new generation fighters.
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  1. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 19 August 2019 14: 27
    +90
    As if I read the comments from the Chinese analogue "Military Review" laughing
    Our site is cooler than them at times, right?)) '
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 19 August 2019 14: 29
      +30
      In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"

      How can it be superior at times if it flies on our movers?
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 19 August 2019 14: 37
        -13
        Already flies, Xian WS-15
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 19 August 2019 14: 38
          +20
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Already flies, Xian WS-15

          A copy of our resource is only half as much .. In electronics, they may be doing better, otherwise there are big doubts ..
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 19 August 2019 14: 41
            0
            Nothing is known about his resource, and so they praise what is more powerful, more armed, and generally cool
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 19 August 2019 14: 45
              +2
              Quote: BlackMokona
              Nothing is known about his resource, and so they praise what is more powerful, more armed, and generally cool

              I’m not an expert, of course, but I have previously had articles on this topic in VO .. If it’s really, as you say, it’s bad .. Maybe now knowledgeable commentators will tell you what the Chinese have better.
              1. sir.jonn
                sir.jonn 19 August 2019 15: 40
                +3
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: BlackMokona
                Nothing is known about his resource, and so they praise what is more powerful, more armed, and generally cool

                I’m not an expert, of course, but I have previously had articles on this topic in VO .. If it’s really, as you say, it’s bad .. Maybe now knowledgeable commentators will tell you what the Chinese have better.

                Too early to panic. Most likely, the AL-41F1S delivered with the batch of SU-35 they acquired was forced with an inevitable drop in resource, or it was simply delivered without alterations and lied about increasing traction. Unlike the SU-57, no one has yet proposed export of the J-20 and it is impossible to verify the veracity of all statements.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 19 August 2019 16: 32
                  +8
                  The technical details seem to be of no interest to the Chinese (bloggers).
                  The fighter is several times steeper, the Pipisya aircraft carrier is one and a half times superior to the Varyag (Liaoning) in terms of aircraft and displacement. A little more and they will begin to show the mother to the Yankees.
                  And what, they said that the delivery of 66 F-16Vs to Taiwan would mean a "red line" by the states and China would respond. So let's see what's there and how it flies and floats. hi
                  1. sir.jonn
                    sir.jonn 19 August 2019 16: 37
                    +2
                    Quote: Alex777
                    shipments of 66 F-16V will mean "redline crossing"

                    Yes, there will be nothing to watch. Another step back from Great China is no longer interesting.
                2. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 19 August 2019 17: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: sir.jonn
                  Too early to panic.

                  I didn’t notice a panic. request
                  1. sir.jonn
                    sir.jonn 19 August 2019 17: 49
                    0
                    Panic - a state of intense anxiety before a real or perceived threat winked
                    Quote: Svarog
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    Nothing is known about his resource, and so they praise what is more powerful, more armed, and generally cool

                    I’m not an expert, of course, but I have previously had articles on this topic in VO .. If it’s really, as you say, it’s bad .. Maybe now knowledgeable commentators will tell you what the Chinese have better.
                    No panic stop only fears request
                3. Tibidokh
                  Tibidokh 19 August 2019 18: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: sir.jonn
                  Likely

                  Probably... wassat
                  AL-41 was bought only for the study of UVT.
                  Quote: sir.jonn
                  forced with an inevitable drop in resource

                  Quote: sir.jonn
                  lied about increasing traction

                  Oh, how I don’t want to admit that China has caught up with us, but somewhere has surpassed us in the aircraft industry ... So I want to believe that stupid Chinese are thoughtlessly copying, and that copy is always worse than the original.
                  1. sir.jonn
                    sir.jonn 19 August 2019 19: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Tibidokh
                    Oh, how I don’t want to admit that China has caught up with us, but somewhere has surpassed us in the aircraft industry ... So I want to believe that stupid Chinese are thoughtlessly copying, and that a copy is always worse than the original.

                    Duck wait and see. And absolutely no severity if the Chinese become one of the leading powers in the aircraft industry. It's time for them!
                    1. Taganai
                      Taganai 21 August 2019 10: 08
                      +3
                      About 100 thousand engineering specialists graduate in China every year! They study. They create their own "schools" of highly qualified specialists. Moreover, many young Chinese are studying at the best universities in the world. In the meantime, we are living on old Soviet ideas and developments.
                  2. Boa kaa
                    Boa kaa 19 August 2019 20: 51
                    +7
                    Quote: Tibidokh
                    China caught up, but somewhere surpassed us in the aircraft industry ...

                    Well, well ... They also puffed up in tank building: they brought their 2019 to the Army-099 tank biathlon ... They washed themselves with snot and seemed to blame the weather ... Therefore, a colleague of "To be or not to be" with a snide and asks:
                    Quote: To be or not to be
                    Interestingly. The weather does not bother him .. ??
                    laughing
                    1. Tibidokh
                      Tibidokh 19 August 2019 22: 08
                      -6
                      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                      They are in tank building

                      I’m actually talking about aviation ... maybe we’ll talk about smartphones or cars?
                      No, I'm honestly glad that we are ahead of them in tank building, but it was about:
                      Quote: sir.jonn
                      AL-41F1S was forced with a drop in resource, or simply delivered without alterations and lied about an increase in traction

                      A person who is far from Chinese aviation reality, wrote complete stupidity, while operating in the stereotypes of 10 years ago. I challenged ... and you're talking about tanks. Maybe the weather affected you? smile
                      1. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 20 August 2019 00: 22
                        +5
                        Quote: Tibidokh
                        Maybe the weather affected you?

                        Maybe it influenced ...
                        But only up to this plop, Chinese experts openly wrote that the engine was done, but its resource does not exceed 900 hours ... Therefore
                        Invisible Fighter J-20. The efficiency of the latter, however, was hindered by domestic engines that previously had suboptimal traction and a low service life. “Brotherly” Ukraine, represented by the well-known world-class engine-building company Motor Sich, hastened to help China. The collaboration, which lasted about 15 years, yielded results. After which, the Chinese simply added to the engine copied from the Russians, the Ukrainian technological filling. And WS-15 was born. Now China has an engine to replace Russian and technology for its production. But even this is not enough for the J-20 to become a full fighter of the fifth generation.
                        The thing is that the Russian AL-31F M2 is the engine for the 4 ++ generation aircraft, and for the fifth generation, an even more advanced engine is needed so that the aircraft can reach its full potential. And the Chinese WS-15 is also the engine for the 4 ++ generation aircraft. Although the Chinese have already begun to boast of "their" achievement and measure the characteristics of engines of various types. But, as usual, there is more propaganda than reality.
                        By the way, in Russia the engine for fifth-generation fighters will appear very soon. It is no secret that Su-57 now fly on engines of the previous generation. As for China, its prospects for creating such an engine are very vague. There is no product for copying, therefore, there is nothing to puzzle Ukrainian specialists. But what is already enough is enough to stamp hundreds of J-20 and, for many years, fanning his cheeks all over the world, to pass them off as fifth-generation fighters.
                      2. Tibidokh
                        Tibidokh 20 August 2019 04: 32
                        -3
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        its resource does not exceed 900 hours

                        Its resource, what is the resource of which engine? There are two of them on the J-20 - WS-10 and WS-15. According to WS-15, there is no information on Chinese resources, but it was originally developed as an engine with a resource greater than that of WS-10.
                        About WS-10B. Assigned resource 1500, between repairs 300.
                        https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/300544.html
                        https://vpk.name/library/f/ws-10.html
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        the Chinese just added to the engine copied from the Russians

                        This is pseudo-patriotic nonsense. WS-10 was copied not from AL-31F, but from CFM56 (aka GE F-101). And the fact that they borrowed technologies from our engines and introduced them into an American engine, there is nothing wrong with that. If our specialists got the P&W F119-PW-100 engine, wouldn't ours really start studying it for technology borrowing?

                        Anticipating the standard argument for such a topic Achejonitogdaunas AL-31I will say the following:
                        AL-31FN-3: assigned resource 2000 hours, overhaul 1000 hours, thrust 13500 kgf, dry weight 1530 kg., cost for China 3 million
                        WS-10B: assigned resource 1500 hours, overhaul 300 hours, thrust 12600 kgf, dry weight 1575 kg., cost for China 4,5 million
                        Now it’s clear why the Chinese are buying AL-31FN-3?
                      3. Boa kaa
                        Boa kaa 20 August 2019 18: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: Tibidokh
                        Now it’s clear why the Chinese are buying AL-31FN-3?

                        The namesake, I understand all this and I don’t like a hack about this, because amateur, not professional. Therefore, we remain in our opinion. -30 product will be better than what hongfuzy buy from us. The main thing is not to sell it to them and not to merge technology, as it was before.
                        Yours faithfully, hi
                      4. Tibidokh
                        Tibidokh 20 August 2019 19: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        I’m not happy about this

                        Wise KAA smile
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Product -30 will be better. The main thing is not to sell it to them

                        Here the trouble ... They will definitely sell. recourse
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Best regards

                        Mutually! good
          2. Tibidokh
            Tibidokh 19 August 2019 18: 30
            -6
            Quote: Svarog
            flies on our movers?

            Quote: Svarog
            A copy of our only resource is half

            You have complete ignorance of the topic, but pathos ... is enough for the sixth generation. Do you even "google" or something.
            Neither WS-15 nor WS-10 are copies of the AL, but are proprietary (albeit based on the American GE F-101). And yes, the WS-10 resource caught up with the AL-31FN3 supplied by us. The only thing our engines outperform the Chinese is the price, which is 1,5-2,5 times lower (depending on the versions of the compared engines).
        2. NEOZ
          NEOZ 19 August 2019 15: 06
          +5
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Already flies, Xian WS-15

          from his only label there ... on the J20 that's for sure!
        3. vickul
          vickul 20 August 2019 03: 50
          0
          flies, but not for long and not far
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 19 August 2019 14: 54
        +1
        Interestingly. The weather does not bother him .. ?? wink
      3. Freemason Mason
        Freemason Mason 19 August 2019 15: 13
        +17
        No way, it's just that our Chinese partners have caught the disease "has no analogues in the world" laughing
      4. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 19 August 2019 16: 05
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"

        How can it be superior at times if it flies on our movers?

        So they are such Chinese sofas. Say thanks again that they did not say about superiority ten times. Propaganda drives. If a person has something to instill something through the media, then sooner or later he will believe it.
      5. tol100v
        tol100v 19 August 2019 20: 40
        0
        Quote: Svarog
        How can it be superior at times if it flies on our movers?

        And not the latest modifications!
      6. Rostislav
        Rostislav 19 August 2019 21: 38
        0
        You won’t praise yourself ...
    2. Dym71
      Dym71 19 August 2019 14: 31
      +12
      Quote: Nevsky_ZU
      Our site is cooler than them at times, right?)) '

      Naturally! drinks
      On our now it’s possible to get up to this, sho mama do not worry! bully
    3. Elysium
      Elysium 19 August 2019 14: 34
      +1
      Naturally, cooler, because he is ours. bully
    4. ltc35
      ltc35 19 August 2019 14: 35
      +2
      We do not categorically declare laughing
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 19 August 2019 14: 44
        +2
        I don’t understand why the noise? What, someone suggested the Su-57E to the Chinese?
        I have not heard about this. hi
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 19 August 2019 20: 59
          0
          Quote: Alex777
          Someone suggested the Su-57E?

          .... Uh! There was no MAX yet, nothing has been shown or officially announced yet, and here we begin to break spears, whose weapons are better! This can only show a direct battle! Not only the aircraft themselves, but also the entire associated infrastructure !!! But it seems that the copiers did not cope with the tasks! Glider is not that! 35 + 57, divided by two, multiplied by 4 and finalized with a file, this is half the trouble, engines are the same! Avionics and radar, at least multiply, at least Delhi! But it is necessary to acknowledge a more than 30 percent dependence in the electronic components! You just need to KNOW how to compose them!
    5. Siberia 75
      Siberia 75 19 August 2019 17: 55
      +6
      Nothing in this world is changing. When in the 19th century the Chinese considered themselves the only celestial empire, they divided it into parts. This hour will be the same
      I'm on yellow hares, I will not regret
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 19 August 2019 20: 55
        0
        Quote: Siberia 75
        I'm on yellow hares, I will not regret

        The National Union of Artists does not hear you ... Otherwise, it would quickly sing: "Russian and Chinese are brothers forever!" bully
    6. MBRSS
      MBRSS 20 August 2019 01: 06
      0
      And who is on "VO" a sinologist? This is because the author is not listed in the note. Logically, there should be more Chinese militarists who know Russian than Russian-speaking militarists who read specials. Chinese press. Do the Chinese discuss our comments?
  2. Elysium
    Elysium 19 August 2019 14: 29
    +4
    The Chinese clone NI is again "at the forefront of the attack." angry
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  4. Krilovchanin
    Krilovchanin 19 August 2019 14: 31
    +9
    Each sandpiper praises its swamp. That's just, the inscription "Made in China" does not inspire confidence. Although, maybe I'm old-fashioned and behind the times ...
    1. kit88
      kit88 19 August 2019 15: 02
      +9
      You are not far behind.
      Yesterday I screw a naturally Chinese light bulb into a Chinese cartridge.
      The cap is in the cartridge, the flask in the hand remains. request
      1. Nikolay73
        Nikolay73 20 August 2019 13: 45
        +1
        Sitting at a Chinese computer, looking at a Chinese monitor, a user of a Chinese smartphone wrote ... or am I mistaken in something? :) I’ll add from a gloomy one - we don’t even produce our own lamps and socles for them ... probably ... :(
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 20 August 2019 04: 11
      +1
      Quote: Krilovchanin
      That's just, the inscription "Made in China" does not inspire confidence.
      I’m embarrassed to find out where the majority of the equipment was made in your home?
  5. Elysium
    Elysium 19 August 2019 14: 31
    0
    Sorry, confused with another edition.
  6. ltc35
    ltc35 19 August 2019 14: 32
    0
    It is difficult for the Chinese to get rid of their former greatness. They relate to everyone with a high. This destroys their entire history. They also dream of a quantum radar. The time will come to be copied from non-Chinese and given out as a miracle of Chinese engineering.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 20 August 2019 04: 14
      0
      Quote: ltc35
      from its former greatness
      Umm, when did they have greatness?
  7. MoJloT
    MoJloT 19 August 2019 14: 35
    +3
    Hello couch experts from China!
  8. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 19 August 2019 14: 35
    +10
    You can purchase several of these aircraft

    I’m wondering who will sell them several planes, huh?
    They even sold two Su-35 squadrons with a minimum salary.
    And what kind of "Chinese" technologies can we talk about, if all they have is to drink what Russia sold them in the 90s-00s.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 19 August 2019 15: 31
      -5
      Quote: Sergey 777
      They even Su 35 sold minimal squadrons

      so the Chinese themselves no longer took it. We would have sold them 56 regiments too, they don’t want it, dogs ...
      1. Sergei 777
        Sergei 777 19 August 2019 15: 47
        0
        Would they need technology rather than airplanes? But 2-3 aircraft would not be sold to them.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 19 August 2019 15: 52
          -2
          Quote: Sergey 777
          Would they need technology instead of airplanes?

          about that and speech. If there were them (the Chinese will), they would generally buy 2 planes and a full set of CD and TD
  9. irontom
    irontom 19 August 2019 14: 36
    +1
    Most interesting, I won’t be surprised if after a few years the Chinese will ask them to sell Sushi to them.
  10. Bookcase
    Bookcase 19 August 2019 14: 37
    +3
    It’s time to introduce the concept of a couch scientist with gradations of a fantasy level. :-)
  11. lucul
    lucul 19 August 2019 14: 38
    0
    On the Su-57 is the most advanced AFAR - in the bow up to 80-240g in azimuth, as well as side AFARs.
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  13. yehat
    yehat 19 August 2019 14: 42
    -6
    Quote: Svarog
    How can it be superior at times if it flies on our movers?

    steepness is measured in other units
    Harley is cooler than any Kawasaki motorcycle, no matter which engine or which year of manufacture,
    and the most stupid WV Polo or subcompact from Mercedes is cooler than any of the most sophisticated Kia
  14. Valerik1337
    Valerik1337 19 August 2019 14: 42
    -4
    Our fighter is recognized as the best in the world by all prominent experts.
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 19 August 2019 14: 45
      -4
      What kind of "prominent"? Let me be curious. recourse
      1. yehat
        yehat 19 August 2019 14: 56
        +2
        Quote: Nycomed
        What kind of "prominent"? Let me be curious

        Well, stood on the red square or wrote on the forum and it can be seen.
        1. Nycomed
          Nycomed 19 August 2019 15: 10
          -1
          Well, if so ...
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 20 August 2019 04: 16
        0
        He was recognized as such by the authoritative aviation expert Valerik1337 from the VO forum. This is not khukh-mukhra. lol
        1. Nycomed
          Nycomed 20 August 2019 05: 46
          -1
          Well, if so, then who would argue - climbed into the fray ... good
  15. NF68
    NF68 19 August 2019 14: 44
    +6
    Each sandpiper praises its swamp.
  16. Nycomed
    Nycomed 19 August 2019 14: 50
    +2
    After all, we just discussed aircraft-carrying ships about the same topic. Let the Chinese believe that their plane is 1000 times better. For God's sake, I personally think the opinion of the Chinese is to put what you are guessing at. yes
  17. Moore
    Moore 19 August 2019 14: 51
    +8
    It is worth paying attention to the comments of Chinese users regarding the Russian fifth-generation fighter.

    Is it worth it? We also have similar "experts" 1/2 VO.
  18. yehat
    yehat 19 August 2019 15: 00
    0
    Quote: ltc35
    It is difficult for the Chinese to get rid of their former greatness. They relate to everyone with a high. This destroys their entire history.

    if you're talking about a comment about quantum radar, then there’s no attitude down there.
    it’s just such a time now that there are many radical Chinese.
    You have seen in Hong Kong what problems their pressure creates, and utilize them in some war or
    China has not yet managed to internal event.
    1. ltc35
      ltc35 19 August 2019 15: 52
      0
      In Hong Kong, the intensity of events is greatly inflated by Western media - a fact. The Chinese are arrogant towards other non-Chinese people - a fact. Quantum radar is a theory and also a fact.
  19. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 19 August 2019 15: 01
    +1
    The Chinese are terrible nationalists, by the way they invented the art of war, but to fight ... They do not have these traditions ...
    1. Vadim02rus
      Vadim02rus 19 August 2019 15: 44
      +1
      Once Peter I did not meet with the Emperor of China due to the fact that everyone had to crawl in front of him on all fours. For Peter, no one was going to make exceptions. Exclusivity rev 0.0.
    2. yehat
      yehat 19 August 2019 16: 08
      0
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      They do not have these traditions ...

      you are mistaken, there are traditions. In addition, there is Confucianism, very strong in both Japan and China.
      You are very mistaken if you think that the Chinese cannot achieve their goals very persistently and sensibly. For a long time they did not have a normal, well-trained army, a strong state, and this is misleading to you, because they have traditions to live hundreds of years in an empire.
      And during the three kingdoms, they fought so desperately that it remains, if my memory serves me, no more than a quarter of the former population.
      It’s just that the Chinese were often very unlucky in history and they were too keen on the struggle for power - for example, a huge fleet of conquest drowned in Japan 2 times, sailing to Japan, and then Japan ruined all coastal trade for several hundred years, preventing China from creating a fast enough rich state .
      1. evgeny68
        evgeny68 19 August 2019 19: 03
        +3
        often and very large unlucky in history

        need to remember
  20. rocket757
    rocket757 19 August 2019 15: 06
    0
    Information from the "sofa" is the most, the most! What do we have, what do they have ..... there is nothing to say about waders / frogs! twins brothers!
  21. HAM
    HAM 19 August 2019 15: 21
    +4
    How many times is it? The speed of Mach 6, the armament is 50 tons, the radar is 1200 km, the flight time is a day! ?? Well, and so on ...
    You need to be more specific, at least a little engineer ....
  22. Guards turn
    Guards turn 19 August 2019 15: 23
    0
    The planes are probably the same as the cars — no one needs anyone but the Chinese. In the Lipetsk region, a factory for assembling Chinese cars has closed.
    1. gvsp
      gvsp 21 August 2019 14: 03
      0
      The first batch of used cars was exported from China. One of the destinations is Russia. This is stated in the message of the Ministry of Commerce of China.
      The party consists of 300 cars with a total value of $ 2,5 million. It turns out that the average car price is $ 8,3 thousand, or about 525 thousand rubles. Unfortunately, there is no data on what brands and models it is.
      In addition to Russia, the Chinese Beushki also went to Cambodia, Nigeria and Myanmar.
  23. Grigory_45
    Grigory_45 19 August 2019 15: 29
    -2
    J-20 at times surpasses it. With the lack of invisibility technology, this plane turns into cannon fodder.

    stupid urrya-paptriets are enough everywhere. This is not a "national treasure" of any particular country.
  24. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 19 August 2019 15: 36
    -2
    In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"


    Heh, I didn't expect anything else from the Chinese. What is better there is tested in battle, I would not expect anything beyond special from their "Made in China" technique. Remember at least their failures in the tank biathlon, then the weather prevented them, then the skating rink fell off))
    Maybe their equipment is not bullshit, but somehow they themselves do not quite know how to fight.
  25. parkello
    parkello 19 August 2019 15: 47
    +1
    that neither vapros ... buy your jay -20 ... right now, shobi is not a fairy tale, isho to cheat ... and fly on them ..
  26. Rus_Balt
    Rus_Balt 19 August 2019 15: 54
    -10
    In principle, maybe the Chinese experts are right. China values ​​its reputation and does not make boastful and false statements, as, for example, the Russian "Zvezda" and other experts from the Russian Federation do. China's statements are confirmed by data on their technical progress, and not as in the Russian Federation - "having no analogues in the world", period!
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 19 August 2019 19: 34
      +1
      Quote: Rus_Balt
      China's statements are confirmed by data on their technical progress, and not as in the Russian Federation - "having no analogues in the world", period!

      And where is the data coming from? From China?
  27. yehat
    yehat 19 August 2019 15: 56
    -1
    Quote: ltc35
    In Hong Kong, the intensity of events is greatly inflated by Western media - a fact. The Chinese are arrogant towards other non-Chinese people - a fact. Quantum radar is a theory and also a fact.

    it’s not about those Chinese who are buzzing, but about those who make them inadvertently rush and run into such troubles. After all, China does not have any questions about the jurisdiction of Hong Kong jurisdictions.
  28. Mixanchik
    Mixanchik 19 August 2019 16: 13
    +3
    The Chinese can be understood, but weapons are tested in a combat situation ... Do you want to check in Syria together?
  29. 501Legion
    501Legion 19 August 2019 16: 24
    +2
    funny these are these stupid people from the Chinese Internet
  30. tchack
    tchack 19 August 2019 16: 29
    -1
    I fully support the Chinese !!!
    0,3-0,5 times the J-20 is superior to the Su-57!
  31. yehat
    yehat 19 August 2019 16: 56
    0
    Quote: McLarenFly
    Another thing is that they are terrible pragmatists, and now their peaceful development is at the forefront for them. They want to strengthen the economy and reduce the technological gap from the United States, because they understand that without these two variables it is impossible to talk about any parity from the United States.

    I'm afraid you are behind the times. 10 years ago it was like that.
    now they have what Stalin called "dizziness from success"
    from politics one can no longer be called purely pragmatic.
    In addition, with the growth of the economy, China is increasingly fighting abroad for resources.
    Well, I'm not sure that parity, as such, really excites the Chinese.
    They only need enough influence to grow. And more or less of it than in the USA is not so important
  32. camo ridges
    camo ridges 19 August 2019 18: 24
    -1
    The Chinese really want to think so - well, let them think so. To many of us
    (I will not pay attention to exceptions) I also really want Russia
    possessed the best weapons in the world, and protect her with this
    weapons can be very effective. But, believing in this, we are neither Chinese nor sick
    from any other country they will never know what it really is, if not
    tested in combat. And only war - God forbid -
    put everything in its place. But it may turn out to be the same
    the Chinese simply do not have time to change their minds ...
  33. tralmaster
    tralmaster 19 August 2019 18: 25
    0
    They were also shouted at by a beam better than ours, but either their hands were crooked or Tank didn’t make it to the finals. So it is with the best aircraft. Full invisibility is in science fiction and then the code is completely invisible, it is physically incapable.
  34. Pellikan
    Pellikan 19 August 2019 18: 38
    +1
    You need to think carefully before selling your new products to China.
  35. schura.kilka
    schura.kilka 19 August 2019 18: 58
    +2
    Self-esteem is increased. And in fact? What do they know about the Su-57? They do not know anything about this bird.
  36. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 19 August 2019 19: 14
    0
    Then the Chinese fussed, but! I didn’t dare to fight, if there was nothing to lose the feathers!
  37. il-z
    il-z 19 August 2019 19: 20
    0
    Something I’ve never heard of ours even stuttering to buy their planes, which at times ..... But they all torture daisy: buy - not buy, probably from natural curiosity ....
    And that ours do not take this fifth ....., which at times .....?
    Maybe they’re afraid that they won’t read the Chinese inscriptions, or if they copy, all of a sudden ..... it will work out the most ....?
    Hmm, rebus however ....
  38. FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 19 August 2019 19: 27
    0
    The Indians wrote that their Su-30 with the "Bars" see the Chinese j-20. What can we say about "Belka" and "Irbis".
    Bullshit their planes as well as an engineering school - everything was stolen either from us or from the amers, nothing of their own.
    And it’s not worth selling the Su-57 at all until we rearm our regiments.
  39. Govorun
    Govorun 19 August 2019 19: 35
    +3
    In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"
    Well, in China, tanks are considered better than ours, only if there is no rain and it’s not very slippery ...
  40. E.S.
    E.S. 19 August 2019 20: 57
    -2
    Quote: Tibidokh
    Quote: sir.jonn
    Likely

    Probably... wassat
    AL-41 was bought only for the study of UVT.
    Quote: sir.jonn
    forced with an inevitable drop in resource

    Quote: sir.jonn
    lied about increasing traction

    Oh, how I don’t want to admit that China has caught up with us, but somewhere has surpassed us in the aircraft industry ... So I want to believe that stupid Chinese are thoughtlessly copying, and that copy is always worse than the original.

    You surpassed you a long time ago, no one argues with this. And for some reason, Chinese copies of the Tu-16 were paired with our carcasses off the coast of Japan, and not something newer
    1. Yury Siritsky
      Yury Siritsky 20 August 2019 11: 35
      0
      TU-16, aircraft of the fifties. The Chinese can do nothing better.
  41. garik77
    garik77 19 August 2019 21: 33
    0
    "It is many times superior," but they will definitely buy SU-57! laughing
  42. Gambit44
    Gambit44 19 August 2019 21: 58
    0
    Well, the Chinese, such Chinese ... It is even very good that they think so - the less objectivity on their part towards us, the better for us))
  43. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 19 August 2019 22: 32
    -1
    Well, consider ....
  44. Xenofont
    Xenofont 20 August 2019 00: 00
    0
    Amazing conceit not supported by facts, which replace propaganda cries and lack of elementary erudition.
  45. GOOGLOSONIC
    GOOGLOSONIC 20 August 2019 00: 32
    0
    Oh, how, dwarfs burn, and sensible proposals from above, they say, we will take a couple of Su57 from stupid Vaneks, you see what a sensible spare part for their "super-fifth cake" is suitable, smart people, Chinese proletarians.
    1. Ilyas.spb
      Ilyas.spb 20 August 2019 00: 38
      -1
      Before speaking so condescendingly about the Chinese, for a moment think about where the Chinese economy is now and what kind of ass Russia has.
  46. Ilyas.spb
    Ilyas.spb 20 August 2019 00: 34
    -1
    The news about a non-existent plane is again circulating ...
    1. Ugolek
      Ugolek 20 August 2019 03: 46
      +1
      In any case, the growth of China's military power cannot be ignored. Where so far they cannot take quality, they will take quantity.
  47. shinobi
    shinobi 20 August 2019 07: 45
    -2
    Soon they will present territorial claims to us. God forbid, everything will be limited to a border conflict.
  48. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 20 August 2019 10: 02
    -1
    What is the basis for the statement that the visibility of the su57 is higher? By the air intakes? And the fact that the glider on the su57 by the criteria of stealth is much better, the Chinese did not notice. The glider is much larger than any air intake and shines stronger, because it is the largest element of the plane and it moves, and this is the Doppler effect the same along which radar blades of the engine spot the radar.
  49. nafanal
    nafanal 20 August 2019 10: 21
    0
    Airadarts is open to all ... Welcom ...
  50. Yury Siritsky
    Yury Siritsky 20 August 2019 11: 30
    0
    The Chinese do not have self-confidence.