In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"

The Chinese media reminded readers that in a few days Russia will present for the first time to the general public the latest Su-57 combat aircraft, not only during piloting, but also in the format of a stationary exhibition. It is emphasized that Russia is preparing documents for the potential export of this fighter. In particular, it was noted that we are talking about a modification of the Su-57E, which could be interesting to China.

In the Sina Military publication, it was previously said that Beijing could order several Su-57 aircraft from Russia in order to subsequently apply some Russian technologies to its fifth-generation fighters. One of the technologies that is of interest to the Chinese is the technology associated with resistance to electronic interference. Also in China, they are interested in the engines of the so-called second stage, which, however, will not be on the first, installation, batch for the Russian Aerospace Forces.

It is worth paying attention to the comments of Chinese users regarding the fifth-generation Russian fighter. Some users who are interested in the military theme claim that the Russian Su-57 “cannot be classified as a combat weapon.” aviation 5th generation ":

Russia now does not have fifth-generation fighter jets, just as there is no corresponding technology, and China should not waste money (buy Su-57E). J-20 at times surpasses him. With the lack of invisibility technology, this plane turns into cannon fodder. We need to look for quantum radar technology.

Other comments:

Let's not be so self-confident. The technical legacy of Russia is still stronger than ours. Russia has large technical reserves, but it needs money to turn technology into products. Su-57 is ready to “bully” the F-35. It may not be as good as J-20 and F-35, but we need a comprehensive development of technology, we need technological mobility.

You can purchase several of these aircraft. Then we can find out all the vulnerabilities of our aircraft.

Well, no, it's better to buy your own J-20 in addition and simultaneously develop and improve them.

Buying finished fifth-generation aircraft is too expensive. We do not need to import aircraft from Russia, especially if we have our own new generation fighters.

Comments

[Nevsky_ZU]

As if I read the comments from the Chinese analogue "Military Review"
Our site is cooler than them at times, right?)) '

[Svarog]

In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"

How can it be superior at times if it flies on our movers?

[Blackmokona]

Already flies, Xian WS-15

[Svarog]

Quote: BlackMokona

Already flies, Xian WS-15

A copy of our resource is only half as much .. In electronics, they may be doing better, otherwise there are big doubts ..

[Blackmokona]

Nothing is known about his resource, and so they praise what is more powerful, more armed, and generally cool

[Svarog]

Quote: BlackMokona

Nothing is known about his resource, and so they praise what is more powerful, more armed, and generally cool

I’m not an expert, of course, but I have previously had articles on this topic in VO .. If it’s really, as you say, it’s bad .. Maybe now knowledgeable commentators will tell you what the Chinese have better.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: BlackMokona

Nothing is known about his resource, and so they praise what is more powerful, more armed, and generally cool

I’m not an expert, of course, but I have previously had articles on this topic in VO .. If it’s really, as you say, it’s bad .. Maybe now knowledgeable commentators will tell you what the Chinese have better.

Too early to panic. Most likely, the AL-41F1S delivered with the batch of SU-35 they acquired was forced with an inevitable drop in resource, or it was simply delivered without alterations and lied about increasing traction. Unlike the SU-57, no one has yet proposed export of the J-20 and it is impossible to verify the veracity of all statements.

[Alex777]

The technical details seem to be of no interest to the Chinese (bloggers).
The fighter is several times steeper, the Pipisya aircraft carrier is one and a half times superior to the Varyag (Liaoning) in terms of aircraft and displacement. A little more and they will begin to show the mother to the Yankees.
And what, they said that the delivery of 66 F-16Vs to Taiwan would mean a "red line" by the states and China would respond. So let's see what's there and how it flies and floats.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Alex777

shipments of 66 F-16V will mean "redline crossing"

Yes, there will be nothing to watch. Another step back from Great China is no longer interesting.

[Piramidon]

Quote: sir.jonn

Too early to panic.

I didn’t notice a panic.

[sir.jonn]

Panic - a state of intense anxiety before a real or perceived threat

Quote: Svarog

Quote: BlackMokona

Nothing is known about his resource, and so they praise what is more powerful, more armed, and generally cool

I’m not an expert, of course, but I have previously had articles on this topic in VO .. If it’s really, as you say, it’s bad .. Maybe now knowledgeable commentators will tell you what the Chinese have better.

No panic only fears

[Tibidokh]

Quote: sir.jonn

Likely

Probably...
AL-41 was bought only for the study of UVT.

Quote: sir.jonn

forced with an inevitable drop in resource

Quote: sir.jonn

lied about increasing traction

Oh, how I don’t want to admit that China has caught up with us, but somewhere has surpassed us in the aircraft industry ... So I want to believe that stupid Chinese are thoughtlessly copying, and that copy is always worse than the original.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Tibidokh

Oh, how I don’t want to admit that China has caught up with us, but somewhere has surpassed us in the aircraft industry ... So I want to believe that stupid Chinese are thoughtlessly copying, and that a copy is always worse than the original.

Duck wait and see. And absolutely no severity if the Chinese become one of the leading powers in the aircraft industry. It's time for them!

[Taganai]

About 100 thousand engineering specialists graduate in China every year! They study. They create their own "schools" of highly qualified specialists. Moreover, many young Chinese are studying at the best universities in the world. In the meantime, we are living on old Soviet ideas and developments.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Tibidokh

China caught up, but somewhere surpassed us in the aircraft industry ...

Well, well ... They also puffed up in tank building: they brought their 2019 to the Army-099 tank biathlon ... They washed themselves with snot and seemed to blame the weather ... Therefore, a colleague of "To be or not to be" with a snide and asks:

Quote: To be or not to be

Interestingly. The weather does not bother him .. ??

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

They are in tank building

I’m actually talking about aviation ... maybe we’ll talk about smartphones or cars?
No, I'm honestly glad that we are ahead of them in tank building, but it was about:

Quote: sir.jonn

AL-41F1S was forced with a drop in resource, or simply delivered without alterations and lied about an increase in traction

A person who is far from Chinese aviation reality, wrote complete stupidity, while operating in the stereotypes of 10 years ago. I challenged ... and you're talking about tanks. Maybe the weather affected you?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Tibidokh

Maybe the weather affected you?

Maybe it influenced ...
But only up to this plop, Chinese experts openly wrote that the engine was done, but its resource does not exceed 900 hours ... Therefore

Invisible Fighter J-20. The efficiency of the latter, however, was hindered by domestic engines that previously had suboptimal traction and a low service life. “Brotherly” Ukraine, represented by the well-known world-class engine-building company Motor Sich, hastened to help China. The collaboration, which lasted about 15 years, yielded results. After which, the Chinese simply added to the engine copied from the Russians, the Ukrainian technological filling. And WS-15 was born. Now China has an engine to replace Russian and technology for its production. But even this is not enough for the J-20 to become a full fighter of the fifth generation.
The thing is that the Russian AL-31F M2 is the engine for the 4 ++ generation aircraft, and for the fifth generation, an even more advanced engine is needed so that the aircraft can reach its full potential. And the Chinese WS-15 is also the engine for the 4 ++ generation aircraft. Although the Chinese have already begun to boast of "their" achievement and measure the characteristics of engines of various types. But, as usual, there is more propaganda than reality.
By the way, in Russia the engine for fifth-generation fighters will appear very soon. It is no secret that Su-57 now fly on engines of the previous generation. As for China, its prospects for creating such an engine are very vague. There is no product for copying, therefore, there is nothing to puzzle Ukrainian specialists. But what is already enough is enough to stamp hundreds of J-20 and, for many years, fanning his cheeks all over the world, to pass them off as fifth-generation fighters.

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

its resource does not exceed 900 hours

Its resource, what is the resource of which engine? There are two of them on the J-20 - WS-10 and WS-15. According to WS-15, there is no information on Chinese resources, but it was originally developed as an engine with a resource greater than that of WS-10.
About WS-10B. Assigned resource 1500, between repairs 300.
https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/300544.html
https://vpk.name/library/f/ws-10.html

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

the Chinese just added to the engine copied from the Russians

This is pseudo-patriotic nonsense. WS-10 was copied not from AL-31F, but from CFM56 (aka GE F-101). And the fact that they borrowed technologies from our engines and introduced them into an American engine, there is nothing wrong with that. If our specialists got the P&W F119-PW-100 engine, wouldn't ours really start studying it for technology borrowing?

Anticipating the standard argument for such a topic Achejonitogdaunas AL-31I will say the following:
AL-31FN-3: assigned resource 2000 hours, overhaul 1000 hours, thrust 13500 kgf, dry weight 1530 kg., cost for China 3 million
WS-10B: assigned resource 1500 hours, overhaul 300 hours, thrust 12600 kgf, dry weight 1575 kg., cost for China 4,5 million
Now it’s clear why the Chinese are buying AL-31FN-3?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Tibidokh

Now it’s clear why the Chinese are buying AL-31FN-3?

The namesake, I understand all this and I don’t like a hack about this, because amateur, not professional. Therefore, we remain in our opinion. -30 product will be better than what hongfuzy buy from us. The main thing is not to sell it to them and not to merge technology, as it was before.
Best regards,

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

I’m not happy about this

Wise KAA

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Product -30 will be better. The main thing is not to sell it to them

Here the trouble ... They will definitely sell.

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

Best regards

Mutually!

[Tibidokh]

Quote: Svarog

flies on our movers?

Quote: Svarog

A copy of our only resource is half

You have complete ignorance of the topic, but pathos ... is enough for the sixth generation. Do you even "google" or something.
Neither WS-15 nor WS-10 are copies of the AL, but are proprietary (albeit based on the American GE F-101). And yes, the WS-10 resource caught up with the AL-31FN3 supplied by us. The only thing our engines outperform the Chinese is the price, which is 1,5-2,5 times lower (depending on the versions of the compared engines).

[NEOZ]

Quote: BlackMokona

Already flies, Xian WS-15

from his only label there ... on the J20 that's for sure!

[vickul]

flies, but not for long and not far

[To be or not to be]

Interestingly. The weather does not bother him .. ??

[Freemason Mason]

No way, it's just that our Chinese partners have caught the disease "has no analogues in the world"

[Sky strike fighter]

Quote: Svarog

In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"

How can it be superior at times if it flies on our movers?

So they are such Chinese sofas. Say thanks again that they did not say about superiority ten times. Propaganda drives. If a person has something to instill something through the media, then sooner or later he will believe it.

[tol100v]

Quote: Svarog

How can it be superior at times if it flies on our movers?

And not the latest modifications!

[Rostislav]

You won’t praise yourself ...

[Dym71]

Quote: Nevsky_ZU

Our site is cooler than them at times, right?)) '

Naturally!
On our now it’s possible to get up to this, sho mama do not worry!

[Elysium]

Naturally, cooler, because he is ours.

[ltc35]

We do not categorically declare

[Alex777]

I don’t understand why the noise? What, someone suggested the Su-57E to the Chinese?
I have not heard about this.

[tol100v]

Quote: Alex777

Someone suggested the Su-57E?

.... Uh! There was no MAX yet, nothing has been shown or officially announced yet, and here we begin to break spears, whose weapons are better! This can only show a direct battle! Not only the aircraft themselves, but also the entire associated infrastructure !!! But it seems that the copiers did not cope with the tasks! Glider is not that! 35 + 57, divided by two, multiplied by 4 and finalized with a file, this is half the trouble, engines are the same! Avionics and radar, at least multiply, at least Delhi! But it is necessary to acknowledge a more than 30 percent dependence in the electronic components! You just need to KNOW how to compose them!

[Siberia 75]

Nothing in this world is changing. When in the 19th century the Chinese considered themselves the only celestial empire, they divided it into parts. This hour will be the same
I'm on yellow hares, I will not regret

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Siberia 75

I'm on yellow hares, I will not regret

The National Union of Artists does not hear you ... Otherwise, it would quickly sing: "Russian and Chinese are brothers forever!"

[MBRSS]

And who is on "VO" a sinologist? This is because the author is not listed in the note. Logically, there should be more Chinese militarists who know Russian than Russian-speaking militarists who read specials. Chinese press. Do the Chinese discuss our comments?

[Elysium]

The Chinese clone NI is again "at the forefront of the attack."

[Krilovchanin]

Each sandpiper praises its swamp. That's just, the inscription "Made in China" does not inspire confidence. Although, maybe I'm old-fashioned and behind the times ...

[kit88]

You are not far behind.
Yesterday I screw a naturally Chinese light bulb into a Chinese cartridge.
The cap is in the cartridge, the flask in the hand remains.

[Nikolay73]

Sitting at a Chinese computer, looking at a Chinese monitor, a user of a Chinese smartphone wrote ... or am I mistaken in something? :) I’ll add from a gloomy one - we don’t even produce our own lamps and socles for them ... probably ... :(

[Greenwood]

Quote: Krilovchanin

That's just, the inscription "Made in China" does not inspire confidence.

I’m embarrassed to find out where the majority of the equipment was made in your home?

[Elysium]

Sorry, confused with another edition.

[ltc35]

It is difficult for the Chinese to get rid of their former greatness. They relate to everyone with a high. This destroys their entire history. They also dream of a quantum radar. The time will come to be copied from non-Chinese and given out as a miracle of Chinese engineering.

[Greenwood]

Quote: ltc35

from its former greatness

Umm, when did they have greatness?

[MoJloT]

Hello couch experts from China!

[Sergei 777]

You can purchase several of these aircraft

I’m wondering who will sell them several planes, huh?
They even sold two Su-35 squadrons with a minimum salary.
And what kind of "Chinese" technologies can we talk about, if all they have is to drink what Russia sold them in the 90s-00s.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sergey 777

They even Su 35 sold minimal squadrons

so the Chinese themselves no longer took it. We would have sold them 56 regiments too, they don’t want it, dogs ...

[Sergei 777]

Would they need technology rather than airplanes? But 2-3 aircraft would not be sold to them.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Sergey 777

Would they need technology instead of airplanes?

about that and speech. If there were them (the Chinese will), they would generally buy 2 planes and a full set of CD and TD

[irontom]

Most interesting, I won’t be surprised if after a few years the Chinese will ask them to sell Sushi to them.

[Bookcase]

It’s time to introduce the concept of a couch scientist with gradations of a fantasy level. :-)

[lucul]

On the Su-57 is the most advanced AFAR - in the bow up to 80-240g in azimuth, as well as side AFARs.

[yehat]

Quote: Svarog

How can it be superior at times if it flies on our movers?

steepness is measured in other units
Harley is cooler than any Kawasaki motorcycle, no matter which engine or which year of manufacture,
and the most stupid WV Polo or subcompact from Mercedes is cooler than any of the most sophisticated Kia

[Valerik1337]

Our fighter is recognized as the best in the world by all prominent experts.

[Nycomed]

What kind of "prominent"? Let me be curious.

[yehat]

Quote: Nycomed

What kind of "prominent"? Let me be curious

Well, stood on the red square or wrote on the forum and it can be seen.

[Nycomed]

Well, if so ...

[Greenwood]

He was recognized as such by the authoritative aviation expert Valerik1337 from the VO forum. This is not khukh-mukhra.

[Nycomed]

Well, if so, then who would argue - climbed into the fray ...

[NF68]

Each sandpiper praises its swamp.

[Nycomed]

After all, we just discussed aircraft-carrying ships about the same topic. Let the Chinese believe that their plane is 1000 times better. For God's sake, I personally think the opinion of the Chinese is to put what you are guessing at.

[Moore]

It is worth paying attention to the comments of Chinese users regarding the Russian fifth-generation fighter.

Is it worth it? We also have similar "experts" 1/2 VO.

[yehat]

Quote: ltc35

It is difficult for the Chinese to get rid of their former greatness. They relate to everyone with a high. This destroys their entire history.

if you're talking about a comment about quantum radar, then there’s no attitude down there.
it’s just such a time now that there are many radical Chinese.
You have seen in Hong Kong what problems their pressure creates, and utilize them in some war or
China has not yet managed to internal event.

[ltc35]

In Hong Kong, the intensity of events is greatly inflated by Western media - a fact. The Chinese are arrogant towards other non-Chinese people - a fact. Quantum radar is a theory and also a fact.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

The Chinese are terrible nationalists, by the way they invented the art of war, but to fight ... They do not have these traditions ...

[Vadim02rus]

Once Peter I did not meet with the Emperor of China due to the fact that everyone had to crawl in front of him on all fours. For Peter, no one was going to make exceptions. Exclusivity rev 0.0.

[yehat]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

They do not have these traditions ...

you are mistaken, there are traditions. In addition, there is Confucianism, very strong in both Japan and China.
You are very mistaken if you think that the Chinese cannot achieve their goals very persistently and sensibly. For a long time they did not have a normal, well-trained army, a strong state, and this is misleading to you, because they have traditions to live hundreds of years in an empire.
And during the three kingdoms, they fought so desperately that it remains, if my memory serves me, no more than a quarter of the former population.
It’s just that the Chinese were often very unlucky in history and they were too keen on the struggle for power - for example, a huge fleet of conquest drowned in Japan 2 times, sailing to Japan, and then Japan ruined all coastal trade for several hundred years, preventing China from creating a fast enough rich state .

[evgeny68]

often and very large unlucky in history

need to remember

[rocket757]

Information from the "sofa" is the most, the most! What do we have, what do they have ..... there is nothing to say about waders / frogs! twins brothers!

[HAM]

How many times is it? The speed of Mach 6, the armament is 50 tons, the radar is 1200 km, the flight time is a day! ?? Well, and so on ...
You need to be more specific, at least a little engineer ....

[Guards turn]

The planes are probably the same as the cars — no one needs anyone but the Chinese. In the Lipetsk region, a factory for assembling Chinese cars has closed.

[gvsp]

The first batch of used cars was exported from China. One of the destinations is Russia. This is stated in the message of the Ministry of Commerce of China.
The party consists of 300 cars with a total value of $ 2,5 million. It turns out that the average car price is $ 8,3 thousand, or about 525 thousand rubles. Unfortunately, there is no data on what brands and models it is.
In addition to Russia, the Chinese Beushki also went to Cambodia, Nigeria and Myanmar.

[Grigory_45]

J-20 at times surpasses it. With the lack of invisibility technology, this plane turns into cannon fodder.

stupid urrya-paptriets are enough everywhere. This is not a "national treasure" of any particular country.

[Lord of the Sith]

In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"

Heh, I didn't expect anything else from the Chinese. What is better there is tested in battle, I would not expect anything beyond special from their "Made in China" technique. Remember at least their failures in the tank biathlon, then the weather prevented them, then the skating rink fell off))
Maybe their equipment is not bullshit, but somehow they themselves do not quite know how to fight.

[parkello]

that neither vapros ... buy your jay -20 ... right now, shobi is not a fairy tale, isho to cheat ... and fly on them ..

[Rus_Balt]

In principle, maybe the Chinese experts are right. China values ​​its reputation and does not make boastful and false statements, as, for example, the Russian "Zvezda" and other experts from the Russian Federation do. China's statements are confirmed by data on their technical progress, and not as in the Russian Federation - "having no analogues in the world", period!

[Mestny]

Quote: Rus_Balt

China's statements are confirmed by data on their technical progress, and not as in the Russian Federation - "having no analogues in the world", period!

And where is the data coming from? From China?

[yehat]

Quote: ltc35

In Hong Kong, the intensity of events is greatly inflated by Western media - a fact. The Chinese are arrogant towards other non-Chinese people - a fact. Quantum radar is a theory and also a fact.

it’s not about those Chinese who are buzzing, but about those who make them inadvertently rush and run into such troubles. After all, China does not have any questions about the jurisdiction of Hong Kong jurisdictions.

[Mixanchik]

The Chinese can be understood, but weapons are tested in a combat situation ... Do you want to check in Syria together?

[501 Legion]

funny these are these stupid people from the Chinese Internet

[tchack]

I fully support the Chinese !!!
0,3-0,5 times the J-20 is superior to the Su-57!

[yehat]

Quote: McLarenFly

Another thing is that they are terrible pragmatists, and now their peaceful development is at the forefront for them. They want to strengthen the economy and reduce the technological gap from the United States, because they understand that without these two variables it is impossible to talk about any parity from the United States.

I'm afraid you are behind the times. 10 years ago it was like that.
now they have what Stalin called "dizziness from success"
from politics one can no longer be called purely pragmatic.
In addition, with the growth of the economy, China is increasingly fighting abroad for resources.
Well, I'm not sure that parity, as such, really excites the Chinese.
They only need enough influence to grow. And more or less of it than in the USA is not so important

[camo ridges]

The Chinese really want to think so - well, let them think so. To many of us
(I will not pay attention to exceptions) I also really want Russia
possessed the best weapons in the world, and protect her with this
weapons can be very effective. But, believing in this, we are neither Chinese nor sick
from any other country they will never know what it really is, if not
tested in combat. And only war - God forbid -
put everything in its place. But it may turn out to be the same
the Chinese simply do not have time to change their minds ...

[tralmaster]

They were also shouted at by a beam better than ours, but either their hands were crooked or Tank didn’t make it to the finals. So it is with the best aircraft. Full invisibility is in science fiction and then the code is completely invisible, it is physically incapable.

[Pellikan]

You need to think carefully before selling your new products to China.

[schura.kilka]

Self-esteem is increased. And in fact? What do they know about the Su-57? They do not know anything about this bird.

[Fantazer911]

Then the Chinese fussed, but! I didn’t dare to fight, if there was nothing to lose the feathers!

[il-z]

Something I’ve never heard of ours even stuttering to buy their planes, which at times ..... But they all torture daisy: buy - not buy, probably from natural curiosity ....
And that ours do not take this fifth ....., which at times .....?
Maybe they’re afraid that they won’t read the Chinese inscriptions, or if they copy, all of a sudden ..... it will work out the most ....?
Hmm, rebus however ....

[FRoman1984]

The Indians wrote that their Su-30 with the "Bars" see the Chinese j-20. What can we say about "Belka" and "Irbis".
Bullshit their planes as well as an engineering school - everything was stolen either from us or from the amers, nothing of their own.
And it’s not worth selling the Su-57 at all until we rearm our regiments.

[Govorun]

In China, believe that the J-20 surpasses the Su-57 "at times"
Well, in China, tanks are considered better than ours, only if there is no rain and it’s not very slippery ...

[E.S.]

Quote: Tibidokh

Quote: sir.jonn

Likely

Probably...
AL-41 was bought only for the study of UVT.

Quote: sir.jonn

forced with an inevitable drop in resource

Quote: sir.jonn

lied about increasing traction

Oh, how I don’t want to admit that China has caught up with us, but somewhere has surpassed us in the aircraft industry ... So I want to believe that stupid Chinese are thoughtlessly copying, and that copy is always worse than the original.

You surpassed you a long time ago, no one argues with this. And for some reason, Chinese copies of the Tu-16 were paired with our carcasses off the coast of Japan, and not something newer

[Yury Siritsky]

TU-16, aircraft of the fifties. The Chinese can do nothing better.

[garik77]

"It is many times superior," but they will definitely buy SU-57!

[Gambit44]

Well, the Chinese, such Chinese ... It is even very good that they think so - the less objectivity on their part towards us, the better for us))

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Well, consider ....

[Xenofont]

Amazing conceit not supported by facts, which replace propaganda cries and lack of elementary erudition.

[GOOGLOSONIC]

Oh, how, dwarfs burn, and sensible proposals from above, they say, we will take a couple of Su57 from stupid Vaneks, you see what a sensible spare part for their "super-fifth cake" is suitable, smart people, Chinese proletarians.

[Ilyas.spb]

Before speaking so condescendingly about the Chinese, for a moment think about where the Chinese economy is now and what kind of ass Russia has.

[Ilyas.spb]

The news about a non-existent plane is again circulating ...

[Ugolek]

In any case, the growth of China's military power cannot be ignored. Where so far they cannot take quality, they will take quantity.

[shinobi]

Soon they will present territorial claims to us. God forbid, everything will be limited to a border conflict.

[Herman 4223]

What is the basis for the statement that the visibility of the su57 is higher? By the air intakes? And the fact that the glider on the su57 by the criteria of stealth is much better, the Chinese did not notice. The glider is much larger than any air intake and shines stronger, because it is the largest element of the plane and it moves, and this is the Doppler effect the same along which radar blades of the engine spot the radar.

[nathanael]

Airadarts is open to all ... Welcom ...

[Yury Siritsky]

The Chinese do not have self-confidence.

[Leonid Har]

You shouldn't try to convince them otherwise. Let them be satisfied with themselves.

[Arkon]

It doesn’t matter at all that the Chinese “think” this way. The SU-57 was not created for them. We need to solve our problems. If the SU-57 allows us to solve them, then everything was not in vain. But when the task arises of suppressing the J-20, then we’ll see something cooler. ;)
Like children, by God...

[Last centurion]

the fact that their planes are WORSE is confirmed by one fact - in the Russian Federation they are not even considering the issue of purchasing Chinese “pseudo-invisible” aircraft. because there is nothing to see there and there is no need to organize a reverse analysis in Chinastyle. The concept of invisibility in what range of electromagnetic waves by the way...

[Metaphysicist 75]

I am tormented by vague doubts about our trans-Amur brothers:
1) J-20 - is it still factory, industrial China or underground?
2) If the brothers are so cool, then why do they still fly the Tu-16?
3) Defining industrial espionage as the basis of state policy, in my opinion, does not yet mean becoming one of the leading technological powers in the world. Well, yes - 5G, well, yes - Huawei. But in the military industry, fortunately, not everything yet comes down to Huawei.

[Oleg Zorin]

And what? In Russia, what is not new is a child prodigy. Can't the Chinese?

[Hadji Murat]

Something too self-confident...

[Butchcassidy]

I think they meant hundreds of billions of times.

PS What the hell is this? Are we commenting on the comments of users of the Chinese segment of the Internet?)) not experts, not military?

[Ilyas.spb]

How can you compare an essentially absent fighter? :)