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BTR protects UDC from Iranian boats

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When the USS Boxer American Uospack UDC passed through the Strait of Hormuz earlier this week, a light armored vehicle attached to the deck of the ship was seen on board. This innovation reflects the insufficient readiness of the US Marine Corps to counter emerging surface threats. This opinion was voiced by Sputnik.



LAV-25 aboard USS Boxer, August 2019


Guest on deck


The 11 Marine Expeditionary Force (MEU) decided to place the LAV-25 armored vehicle attached to it on the UDC deck in anticipation of the passage of the ship through the narrow Strait of Hormuz. This technique was discovered thanks to a photograph published by the United States Navy of take-off attack helicopters AH-1Z Viper, being in the background.

Although not a single representative of the military department commented on this practice, in December last year it was reported that the 11 Corps had already resorted to it at least once.

Speaking at the Hudson Institute in November 2018, Marine Major General David W. Coffman told the audience that he “watched the MEU commander order the LAV to be attached to the front of the take-off deck because it had better equipment than the ship, designed to detect small boats. " He called this step "creative initiative."


LAV-25 aboard the landing helicopter carrier, 2018 year


How an APC protects 40 000 tons


40 An 000-ton amphibious assault ship the size of a medium-sized aircraft carrier is carrying thousands of infantrymen and attached equipment, with many different sensors, radars, missile systems and other weapons systems designed to repel the attacks of various enemies. However, the microscopic LAV-25 compared to it, being equipped with unique types of sensors, plays an important role for the survival of UDC.

The Iranian Navy, as a rule, prefer to use small patrol vessels instead of large warships. For their detection, the reconnaissance version of the LAV-25, equipped with the AN / PPS-5C radar, which is used to detect artillery targets, is also suitable for detecting. aviation, ground equipment and enemy troops. According to the manufacturer Leonardo DRS, the radar has a range of 100 m to 27 km. Therefore, it is believed that he can identify a small vessel near the ship, which larger radars on the USS Boxer may miss.

The use of ground equipment on board warships is becoming a regular practice in the 11 hull: in October 2017, the marines fired from the deck of the USS Anchorage landing transport dock at the shore-based target from the HIMARS missile system.

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https://sputniknews.com/
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  1. svp67
    svp67 16 August 2019 01: 32
    +25
    Yes, well done "mariners", "cheap and cheerful". It would be necessary for our sailors to take note, maybe it will come in handy when we receive our UDC
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 August 2019 04: 43
      +6
      I agree on fishlessness and cancer fish !!!
    2. Disorder
      Disorder 16 August 2019 05: 23
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      Our sailors should take note, maybe it’s useful when we get our UDC

      We will immediately have normal artillery installed; it was planned to install an AK-630 on the Mistrals.
      1. parma
        parma 16 August 2019 06: 32
        +1
        Quote: Trouble
        Quote: svp67
        Our sailors should take note, maybe it’s useful when we get our UDC

        We will immediately have normal artillery installed; it was planned to install an AK-630 on the Mistrals.

        The question is not in the 25-mm cannon, but in the reconnaissance radar. version of the "shop" .. If there was a question in the defeat of the boats, then you can use the ATGM or raise the "cobra" (the same SRAW), it will cover it from any direction and at any distance ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 16 August 2019 07: 19
          +3
          Quote: parma
          The question is not in the 25-mm cannon, but in the reconnaissance radar. version of the "shop" ..

          We have a BRM in service with similar equipment
      2. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 16 August 2019 08: 48
        +3
        We will immediately have normal artillery installed

        rather, and more reasonably, ZRPK Pantsir-M to put
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 16 August 2019 12: 25
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, well done "mariners", "cheap and cheerful"

      Only-to trick asking for. recourse
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 16 August 2019 01: 38
    +2
    What a great idea.
    We tested the TOP on the deck.
    The only amendment is that we don’t have ships (except Kuzi) that can place anything from the land on their deck.
    Deck space is NOT provided. Almost only a helipad.
    Land complexes (even armored vehicles) with a "tropical design" will not be able to operate normally in sea conditions.
    Throwing a crane on the bow and stern of any civilian ship along the armored personnel carrier is not a question.
    Only then they will not be allowed into any port.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 16 August 2019 04: 45
      +6
      Unlike the "Americans", our Kuzya has a battery of 30mm pantshot shooters!
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 16 August 2019 05: 01
        +6
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Unlike the "Americans", our Kuzya has a battery of 30mm pantshot shooters!

        Yes, that’s not the point.
        We have no ships, except for him, with a place on the deck.
        The idea itself is not dumb. Somewhere, sometime (someone, sometimes here and there) it is applicable, but to the detriment of, for example, carrying capacity or space for cargo.
        And the Americans do not have extra space on the deck.
        Held BTR-s helicopter parking (probably).
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 16 August 2019 05: 29
          +3
          When there was a boom in the transport of used cars from abroad, fishing vessels managed to shove several cars onto the direction finding deck.
          1. Victor_B
            Victor_B 16 August 2019 05: 40
            0
            Weapons on civil courts it can not be! (The place is full!)
            There is no free space on warships on the upper deck! From the word - in general.
            Helipad - for a helicopter.
            On vessels under the flag of the WASH (auxiliary vessels of the harbor), this can be tankers and reconnaissance and transport armaments (towers, and barrels in the hold, guidance stations) or stored in warehouses. But the crew on them, it seems, is civilian, but these are sailors conscripts.
            Here, for example, icebreakers. State tests pass with artillery, but it is not in operation.
            Otherwise, they will not be allowed to enter any foreign port under the trade flag.
            Install very quickly (at home).
        2. Archivist Vasya
          Archivist Vasya 16 August 2019 10: 03
          +2
          I looked for an empty seat for our "Zoo", for example, I also did not find it on frigates, corvettes and destroyers, except perhaps to shove the cruiser "Moskva" on the side of the round things, somewhere in the middle of the ship. But the cruiser has better stations of her own ...

          Or on the BDK project 11711, like Ivan Gren - there is also a free space in the middle there.
          1. Beby
            Beby 16 August 2019 12: 46
            0
            For the ships of Project 1164, the photo of which you have brought, it is pointless to place a "zoo" on the deck: even in the above photo you can see a battery from two AK-630 on the starboard side.
      2. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 16 August 2019 07: 37
        +1
        On the UDC "Wasp" there are "Phalanxes". The problem is that they are designed to counter targets other than speedboats.
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 16 August 2019 09: 24
          -1
          The phalanx may well work out on a high-speed surface target. Probably, the case may be in the sectors of fire, ammunition (if I am not mistaken, there are only BOPs) and their regular operation in automatic mode, with the receipt of the command from the ship's CIRC
      3. Potato
        Potato 16 August 2019 09: 25
        -4
        Unlike kuzi, this bandura swims and also has several 20 mm multi-barreled guns that shoot all around. And also a bunch of any other weapons for every taste and color. And the history of Russian carrier-based aviation ended last year.
  3. E.S.
    E.S. 16 August 2019 01: 58
    0
    Quote: Victor_B
    What a great idea.
    We tested the TOP on the deck.
    The only amendment is that we don’t have ships (except Kuzi) that can place anything from the land on their deck.
    Deck space is NOT provided. Almost only a helipad.
    Land complexes (even armored vehicles) with a "tropical design" will not be able to operate normally in sea conditions.
    Throwing a crane on the bow and stern of any civilian ship along the armored personnel carrier is not a question.
    Only then they will not be allowed into any port.

    This is because we have ships, and not right parking lots for everyone, do not understand what they themselves cannot protect.
    What is the land radar of the battlefield discerns at sea at least with three or four-point excitement is a separate interesting question.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 16 August 2019 02: 25
      +1
      Quote: E.S.
      This is because we have ships, and not right parking lots for everyone, do not understand what they themselves cannot protect.
      What’s there that the land radar of the battlefield will see the sea at least with three to four waves this is a separate interesting question

      Well, you don’t know that all KUNGs have such retractable stops. Like a crane.
      Here they will rest against water! So what to do? If you want to live, you’re not getting so excited! fellow
      Well, but seriously - there is still stabilization at military complexes, but certainly not 4-point excitement, and even roll is not enough for circulation.
      1. Potato
        Potato 16 August 2019 09: 22
        -4
        For Love25 radars, excitement and heel are not important.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 16 August 2019 09: 13
      +4
      At 4 points and a kamikaze boat will be hard, the risk of attack is minimal
      1. Potato
        Potato 16 August 2019 09: 41
        0
        Well, that is a given. But, in general, in such ships, all these functions make security ships smaller.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 August 2019 05: 33
    -2
    Let them take a license from us for the Berezhok or Baikal module!
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 16 August 2019 09: 14
      -1
      Is there a radar station on Berezhka or Baikal? Or at least a powerful OLS?
      1. Potato
        Potato 16 August 2019 09: 33
        0
        No. But there you can search for the target manually. But there is a sailor with binoculars. At Baikal, the detection range is within line of sight. Laser rangefinder up to 5000m. Firing range up to 3 km
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 16 August 2019 12: 33
          -2
          the fact of the matter is that no. Search for a goal - only visually. The question was rhetorical.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 August 2019 06: 07
    +3
    Fishlessness and cancer. Since the BTR in such situations covers the omissions of shipbuilders, I see nothing wrong with that.
  6. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 16 August 2019 06: 25
    +1
    Cool decision. Only if the armored personnel carrier is not tall, is the dead zone for the gun large.
    1. Potato
      Potato 16 August 2019 09: 21
      +4
      Not tall. It’s not a cannon, but a radar lav25
      1. Zeev Zeev
        Zeev Zeev 16 August 2019 09: 22
        +1
        And what about drowning the boats of the Islamists? "Cobras" to raise?
        1. Potato
          Potato 16 August 2019 09: 30
          +3
          Two six-barrel 20 mm cannons 15 and 3 25 mm cannons mk. 38. There are enough guns. But this will not come to that, of course, because cobras will solve any Islamist boat long before they reach the artillery range. By the way, there are 12.7 mm m2hb and ptrk machine guns on uosp ...
      2. komandir8
        komandir8 16 August 2019 23: 23
        0
        The LAV-25 armored personnel carrier does not have a radar station, the latest modification of the LAV-25A2 - with additional armor, with a laser rangefinder and a Raytheon AN / PAS-13 night sight.
  7. Grits
    Grits 16 August 2019 06: 41
    +4
    Nobody canceled military cunning and ingenuity. Apparently, the American marines own it quite ...
  8. abc_alex
    abc_alex 16 August 2019 07: 18
    +1
    I have already repeatedly asked here on the forum, but did not receive a clear answer. Why ships do not use towers and combat modules from ground equipment? During the Second World War, the USSR had armored boats with a T-34 tower mounted on them. Why aren’t land combat modules on ships now? But the United States shows that this can work. The next step is obvious: remove the wheels, remove the motor, feed from the ship lines to weld tightly to the deck and the firing point is ready against any trifle.
    And ours have combined bicaliber modules and mrdul with UR.
    What prevents them from being used on ships?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 16 August 2019 08: 59
      +4
      Quote: abc_alex
      Why ships do not use towers and combat modules from ground equipment?

      They are used, only rarely - according to the principle of "throw it away anyway".
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 16 August 2019 09: 17
      +2
      Do not use land, because there are specialized ship included in the ship's CIRC. The land tower will be able to detect and defeat targets only on its own, offline
    3. Potato
      Potato 16 August 2019 09: 20
      +4
      Arms stabilization for land equipment is not suitable for solid firing in marine technology. Also, the sea is an aggressive environment and everything is covered by corrosion. Booking bbm towers for marine systems is excessive and only excess cargo. The combat compartment with the bbm turret is too cumbersome layout in terms of naval weapons.
    4. abc_alex
      abc_alex 16 August 2019 14: 13
      0
      Thank you, I realized that there are problems, but I also saw that they are surmountable ...
  9. The Sparkle
    The Sparkle 16 August 2019 08: 13
    -1
    Dear gunboat coming out.))
  10. Potato
    Potato 16 August 2019 09: 16
    +3
    Most of the readers and commentators on the military train are not attentive and think like bread.

    Radar capable of detecting small-sized ground-based radio contrast targets at ranges up to 25 km is installed on lav30! This item is used for reconnaissance and target designation for artillery on the ground. As you can see, its radar is not bad at sea. From the gun of the BMP itself, it will not be necessary to shoot. There on the ship has its own much more powerful artillery.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 16 August 2019 09: 30
    +2

    Americans began to take manners from the Turks? Put tanks on deck
    1. Potato
      Potato 16 August 2019 09: 38
      0
      In general, a battery of hail can be put on the deck of a barge, for example, and if there is calm and only ripples in the water, then such a volley can be given for a short distance.
    2. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 16 August 2019 12: 36
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      Put tanks on deck

      it was. The British. In World War II, during the postings of Arctic convoys. Transport transported on board Sherman - naval artillery.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 16 August 2019 15: 22
        +2
        Quote: Gregory_45
        it was. The British. In World War II, during the postings of Arctic convoys. Transport transported on board Sherman - naval artillery.

        How much time has elapsed between these events? How many words are said about super satellites, lasers, and so on, where is all this if the usual LAV-25 is put on deck ........................
  12. Nestorych
    Nestorych 16 August 2019 10: 18
    -2
    Cheap and cheerful, Americans know how to count money.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 16 August 2019 17: 45
      -1
      This is not from a good life. The vast majority of modern weapons are not designed to fight partisans. And, as we can see, the ancient technique is still in operation. We still have BMP-1. The appearance of rockets did not depose artillery, and lasers would not bring it to nothing. In the future we will observe a strange symbiosis of a small number of super modern technology and conventional weapons
  13. E.S.
    E.S. 16 August 2019 11: 55
    +1
    Quote: Potato
    For Love25 radars, excitement and heel are not important.

    The question is not about the roll, the question is about the underlying surface, which is not only just another
  14. E.S.
    E.S. 16 August 2019 11: 58
    0
    Quote: Potato
    Most of the readers and commentators on the military train are not attentive and think like bread.

    Radar capable of detecting small-sized ground-based radio contrast targets at ranges up to 25 km is installed on lav30! This item is used for reconnaissance and target designation for artillery on the ground. As you can see, its radar is not bad at sea. From the gun of the BMP itself, it will not be necessary to shoot. There on the ship has its own much more powerful artillery.

    So you think about the radio contrast oa the background of land and sea
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  16. Fierce73
    Fierce73 16 August 2019 16: 55
    +2
    Even on the Soviet large landing craft of the "Ivan Rogov" type of project 1174 "Rhino", the air defense equipment of the transported units of the marine corps and its various fire weapons were placed on the upper deck with the distribution of observation and firing sectors. He himself was a witness and participant.
    The admiration of some authors for this logical and long-known and applied (and in our fleet also mandatory) action is surprising!
  17. shans2
    shans2 16 August 2019 21: 09
    +1
    degradation of saints and mighty USA)
  18. Bookcase
    Bookcase 17 August 2019 10: 35
    0
    Dark story. Massively different massive radar surfaces. Yes, and a small electronic warfare station on the Iranian Navy - can completely block the operation of a rather weak LAV-25 equipment .. All this information - carries something else. The LAV-25 task is simply veiled. Or is it just a degradation of the vegetation of america :-)
  19. komandir8
    komandir8 17 August 2019 11: 10
    0
    Training firing from armored personnel carriers is being conducted. The UDC type "Wasp" also has enough of its own weapons to protect the ship - three six-barreled 20-mm ZAK "Vulcan-Falanx" Mk 15, four 25-mm AU Mk 38, four 12,7-mm machine guns.
  20. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 August 2019 14: 29
    0
    A very reasonable solution .. Combat training should not stop even during relocation ..