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The regiment's contentment in the war

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We once wrote about the life of a Russian warrior of the First World War (see "The sturgeon canned food was great." Frontline life of the Russian warrior of the First World War in photos) And now let's look at the contentment of the infantry regiment through the eyes of an eyewitness - as V. Panov saw him in his memoirs.



Soldiers at lunch


Satisfaction during maneuver warfare


At the end of July of the 1914 year, on the 8 day of mobilization, having turned around to the military personnel, V. Panov’s regiment was sent by train to the German border by several trains.

On the way, the servicemen "were content normally." Each train (battalion) for cooking had special cars in which camp kitchens were installed. As a result, people received food as in peacetime, when the units were in a barracks arrangement (this concerned both the time of eating and the quality of the latter). They handed out food at more or less long stops - at the last people went to the “kitchen” cars with bowlers (and often with buckets), getting breakfast, lunch or dinner. To take food, the soldiers were either in their wagons or on the sides of the railroad track - which depended on the length of the train stop.


The soldiers are preparing dinner.


Food was received from passing commissary shops - in accordance with a previously issued order. The officer gives an interesting detail, which then caused a lot of trouble. As soon as the train left the outskirts of the city, bags of rusks sprinkled from the windows and doors of the cars onto the railroad track - it was the soldiers who eased their burden by throwing out the 3-day supply of rusks in their duffle bag. At the first stop, they explained the inadmissibility of such behavior, and the seniors in the cars were ordered to ensure that crackers were not thrown away. But the results of this measure were still far from sufficient - and crackers continued to fly out of the cars, if not during the day, then at night. In addition, people, having nothing to do, first in the carriage, and then on the hike, bit by bit their crackers - destroying, thus, that untouchable supply that should have been used only in case of emergency. Having landed on Art. Druskeniki, the regiment continued to march, crossing the German border on the 4 of August at Filippov and occupying Goldap in East Prussia after a short battle.


Soldiers have lunch


With pleasure, so far everything was safe, as in peacetime maneuvers - with the exception of the lack of bread, which began to be felt due to the delay in the delivery and deployment of field bakeries. This did not happen because there was no coordination in the rear units when moving behind battle groups, but simply because the Russian headquarters couldn’t take into account advancements so fast in enemy territory, and even with battles - well knowing the combat effectiveness of the German army . It was then that I had to regret the rusks thrown out on the road, and the grain crisis was eliminated (and even not to the full extent) only thanks to the following case. In the city of Goldap occupied by the Russians, there was a quartermaster's food store, where they found a fair amount of different food and a lot of fine small biscuits made from wheat flour - grains - which they used. But since such delicate things are “not food” for unusual people, the Russian soldiers were bored without rye bread, not feeling enough satiety from these biscuits.

The regiment's contentment in the war
Camp Kitchen


Then things went even worse, because after the battle at the village. Kudern (in 8 km northwest of Goldap), pursuing the retreating Germans, the fighters still took a step - rushing either to Friedland, then to Tartenshane and further with transitions sometimes exceeding 60 versts per day. Here, the quartermaster was completely stuck somewhere behind, and with it all the provision of food was lost, i.e. bread, cereals, tea, sugar and salt. It was very tight, despite the fact that we walked through a cultural country rich in agricultural products. This was explained by the fact that almost the entire population of East Prussia, as the Russians approached, went deep into the country, and the rest was so hostile that it hid its stocks or simply did not want to sell anything. But the troops themselves to search for food hidden in different nooks, and even more so to take it by force, firstly, there was no time (due to rapid movement), and secondly, the authorities in this matter were surprisingly scrupulous and strictly forbidden to accept what or violent measures against those remaining and only outwardly loyal to Russian local residents.

In the morning, before the performance, the prepared foods were laid in camp kitchens, and dinner was prepared on the move, so as to be distributed to the soldiers on a large halt. The latter was organized, as a rule, having traveled most of the way, in a place that was sufficiently sheltered from enemy air reconnaissance — mainly in forests, and, sometimes, contrary to statutory requirements, in villages, in the hope that the German would not drop bombs on the homes of his fellow citizens .


Camping kitchens at work


Immediately after the regiment stopped, the kitchens were drawn to the battalions - and the distribution of dinner began. From each platoon, several people went to the kitchen to receive food, under the command of a company duty officer - with bowlers. The company on duty monitored the distribution of food, informing the kitchen duty on the number of people who were on allowance in the unit. If avant-garde units were sent from the regiment and those did not change at a large halt, then the corresponding number of kitchens were pulled up to them, and sometimes the kitchens followed immediately after the avant-garde. The bowler was designed for 2 - 3 people. The meat was crushed into small pieces in soup (as such, meat portions were not issued). In favorable conditions, lunch consisted of 2 dishes.

After the distribution of lunch, the boilers were immediately washed, and food was laid for dinner. The latter, as a rule, included one dish - the so-called gruel with chopped meat or potato soup.



Dinner, as noted by V. Panov, did not enjoy the special love of the soldiers, although it was prepared quite tasty. The explanation was simple: the fact is that the inhabitants, as already noted, before the Russians approached, fled into the country, leaving all their households, livestock and birds to their fate. All this living creature, accustomed to careful care and timely feeding, wandered through the fields and streets of villages, loudly declaring their existence and attracting attention with various cries, and therefore soldiers at any stop, despite the accepted, though not entirely strict, precautionary measures, did not miss the chance to milk the cows, look for fresh eggs in the chicken coops, or even roll up the head of a chicken, goose, turkey or pin a pig.

There were also such cases that in a company of fighters there appeared lard, sausage and smoked ham. To the questions of the bosses, where did all this come from, they usually answered: “They bought from a German”, while the more frank ones stated that the rear units would be lost or taken away without a master. Commanders usually objected weakly to such arguments, observing only that they didn’t take anything from the residents who remained on the ground — and I must say that there were no misunderstandings in this regard (with very rare exceptions, and that only with respect to fruits, growing in the gardens). The soldiers, if they allowed themselves to “buy” something in cities and estates, in the villages clearly refrained from such a “purchase”, since they knew that the departed population consisted of peasants related to them. Unfortunately, the officer notes, the same cannot be said for any kind of convoy and transport public, which sometimes “simply looted”.

Thus, stocking up food on a camping trip and arriving for the night, the soldiers, of course, in most cases refused the official dinner (albeit tasty) and set about preparing one of their “own” products, using various closures (to light the lights for the night) it was forbidden to find oneself out of fear). Over time, the precautions weakened - for the German was surprisingly passive.



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  1. Minato2020
    Minato2020 16 August 2019 05: 35
    -7
    Thus, stocking up food on a camping trip and arriving for the night, the soldiers, of course, in most cases refused the official dinner (albeit tasty) and set about preparing one of their “own” products, using various closures (to light the lights for the night) it was forbidden to find oneself out of fear). Over time, the precautions weakened - for the German was surprisingly passive.


    It’s not a war, but a camping trip of some kind. And the German means lured into its territory?
    The wells were not poisoned? Were the roads not mined?
    1. Moore
      Moore 16 August 2019 07: 16
      -3
      Quote: Minato2020

      It’s not a war, but a camping trip of some kind. And the German means lured into its territory?
      The wells were not poisoned? Were the roads not mined?

      No, not a hike. There is the "Journal of military operations of the regiment" https://gwar.mil.ru/documents/view/?id=51515033 Everything is written down. The enemy is not the Germans - the Austrians.
      No poisoned wells were noted. What are the landmines in 1914?
      1. Minato2020
        Minato2020 16 August 2019 14: 50
        -13
        Quote: Moore
        The enemy is not the Germans - the Austrians.
        No poisoned wells were noted. What are the landmines in 1914?


        Then it’s clear, since the Austrians, not the Germans.
        Could use stretch marks instead of mines.
        1. heavy division
          heavy division 16 August 2019 16: 50
          +7
          Germans.
          Clearly written.
          Could use stretch marks instead of mines.

          laughing
          is it so in your opinion the Germans differed from the Austrians? Some used stretch marks and others not? laughing
          kindergarten
          1. Minato2020
            Minato2020 16 August 2019 22: 24
            -8
            Quote: heavy division
            Germans. Clearly written


            Who clearly wrote that the Germans?

            Quote: Moore
            No, not a hike. There is a "Journal of military operations of the regiment"
            https://gwar.mil.ru/documents/view/?id=51515033
            Everything is recorded. The adversary is not Germans - Austrians.


            It says here that the Austrians.
            You decide between yourself, otherwise I remain in ignorance ...

            PS Stretch marks can be used by anyone - from Siberian hunters to the aborigines of Mozambique. It would be a desire.
            1. heavy division
              heavy division 17 August 2019 10: 12
              +5
              The article says that the Germans. In the memoirs of an officer.
              and your speculation in the comments is of little interest
              1. Moore
                Moore 17 August 2019 18: 02
                -6
                Read the magazine, there is a link. It is also clearly written who the enemy was.
                1. heavy division
                  heavy division 17 August 2019 19: 33
                  +5
                  The journal, which is published in the comments, has nothing to do with the subject of the article.
                  The regiment involved in the war on the East Prussian front. This is not the 26th Mogilev
                  So no need to drive crap
        2. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 29 September 2019 10: 13
          0
          Quote: Minato2020
          Could use stretch marks instead of mines.

          I didn’t think of stretch marks then
  2. Plague doctor
    Plague doctor 16 August 2019 06: 39
    -17
    Let me remind you that during the First World War the Russian army suffered enormous losses, the conditions of the soldiers were brutal and unbearable, hence the disobedience to the officers and the mass desertion of which the world did not see.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 16 August 2019 07: 22
      +4
      Quote: Plague Doctor
      disobedience to the officers and the mass desertion of which the light has not seen.

      What are you talking about? "..mass desertion ...., ... disobedience ...." Stop talking about it. And where was the soldier to "desert"? To run to the taiga to die there in the snow from hunger? Or to your native village, to hide in the cellar from the police station and sit on the neck of your not too well-fed family? Maybe there were some, but this was an exception than the rule, and the Russian soldier at all times, incl. and in the First World War (although this war was not needed by Russia, therefore it was the cause of the revolution and the subsequent collapse) he was famous for his loyalty to duty, bravery and even heroism.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 16 August 2019 08: 07
        +7
        Well, there was the beginning of the WWII, when there was no desertion, there was the end of the war, when it became widespread.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 16 August 2019 08: 52
      +1
      Quote: Plague Doctor
      Let me remind you that during the First World War the Russian army suffered huge losses

      Find out that the losses of the Anglo-Fratsuzs were higher than the Russians and only one Russian army (like the country as a whole) from all the warring countries did not starve, the conditions were military and no worse than others.

      3 million awarded - evidence of mass heroism of soldiers

      What the world has not seen is such a huge number of prisoners and the scale of the military catastrophe that they were in 41
      1. Plague doctor
        Plague doctor 16 August 2019 10: 27
        -12
        Don’t be bullshit, Russia's losses in an unnecessary war were enormous, most of all prisoners of war were also strange for Russia. And in the Second World War, a huge number of prisoners of war was due to the fact that the soldiers were simply scared and our weapons were worse than German, because they did not know how to make weapons in Russia, by the beginning of the war the USSR was also unable to establish production of modern small arms, optics, and so on . And the USSR fought against almost all of Europe, the factories and industry of which worked for Germany. If there was a king in power, Russia would lose the second world in a few months
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 17 August 2019 06: 51
          0
          Quote: Plague Doctor
          Don’t be bullshit, Russia's losses in an unnecessary war were enormous, most of all prisoners of war were also strange for Russia. And in the Second World War, a huge number of prisoners of war was due to the fact that the soldiers were simply scared and our weapons were worse than German, because they did not know how to make weapons in Russia, by the beginning of the war the USSR was also unable to establish production of modern small arms, optics, and so on . And the USSR fought against almost all of Europe, the factories and industry of which worked for Germany. If there was a king in power, Russia would lose the second world in a few months

          All nonsense.
          Where did you study?
        2. Minato2020
          Minato2020 18 August 2019 06: 00
          -1
          In the Russian brigades, things were no better. Moreover, the news from home did not strengthen the mood and discipline: the abdication of the king, the February revolution. However, even the news, perhaps, can not be called. The soldiers torn away from their homeland were fed more by rumors, scraps of French newspapers, and by leaflets with which they were regularly provided with Bolshevik emigres living in France. Bolshevik agitators became regular guests of Russian military units.

          The French command did not dare to shoot Russian rebels with their own hands, so it led the Russian brigades from the front to the rear and placed them in quarantine camp La Curtin in the south of the Croesus department. At the same time, Paris demanded that the Provisional Government deal with its expeditionary force. The French demand was supported by the Commissioner of the Provisional Government in France Svatikov, who said: “We must shoot anyone who does not follow the orders of their superiors. In addition, the French must be avoided at all costs. But nothing should stop the adoption of the most severe measures. ”

          https://www.pravmir.ru/pervaya-mirovaya-rasstrel-russkix-vo-francii/
    3. Brutan
      Brutan 16 August 2019 09: 48
      +11
      Let me remind you that during the First World War the Russian army suffered enormous losses, the conditions of the soldiers were brutal and unbearable, hence the disobedience to the officers and the mass desertion of which the world did not see.

      demagogy
      diverging from reality
      1. Hunghuz
        Hunghuz 16 August 2019 12: 32
        +11
        You are right Bro!
        Blindfolded peered into the light
  3. Undecim
    Undecim 16 August 2019 07: 08
    -5
    Something about Lieutenant Colonel Panov does not converge in his memoirs with reality.

    Military Journal of the 26th Mogilev Infantry Regiment. Started July 17, 1914
    Russian State Military Historical Archive.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 16 August 2019 07: 12
      -5
      At the end of July of the 1914 year, on the 8 day of mobilization, having turned to combat personnel, the 26 regiment was sent to the German border by several echelons by rail.

      Mobilization was announced on July 18.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 16 August 2019 07: 14
        -5

        The regiment began boarding the cars on July 30 - on the twelfth day of mobilization.
        Having landed on Art. Druskeniki, the regiment continued to march, crossing the German border on August 4 at Filippov and occupying Goldap in East Prussia after a short battle.

        As can be seen from the magazine, a regiment landed at st. Kovel.
        1. Evil echo
          Evil echo 16 August 2019 07: 39
          +3
          But what about the Colonel's memory of food? The article is kind of about the contentment of the soldiers, and not about the fighting.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 16 August 2019 07: 41
            -7
            But the colonel describes his food while moving through enemy territory, while the regiment moved on its own. Do not you find the difference?
            1. Evil echo
              Evil echo 16 August 2019 08: 07
              -7
              That is, the author is lying intentionally, as it were, embellishes reality.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 16 August 2019 08: 40
                -1
                Did you come across the word "lying" in my comment?
                Unlike most local authors, Oleinikov is an author who takes the choice of sources and their presentation very seriously. And in relation to him, the word "lying" is completely irrelevant.
                Why I was surprised by such a discrepancy, not characteristic of the author. Perhaps the indicated lieutenant colonel served in another regiment, although earlier on 18 of August parts of the RIA did not cross the border of East Prussia.
                Therefore, it is interesting to understand the issue, and not to blame someone for a lie.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 16 August 2019 10: 36
                  -1
                  Quote: Undecim
                  Why I was surprised by such a discrepancy, not characteristic of the author. Perhaps the indicated lieutenant colonel served in another regiment, although earlier on 18 of August parts of the RIA did not cross the border of East Prussia.

                  Panov was there:

                  http://ria1914.info/images/c/c6/76_obschiy_spisok_1909.pdf
                  But where these memories come from is not clear.
                  I don’t believe that our soldiers would take out rusks from the wagons to relieve their burden. The daily norm of rusks is 716 grams, this is for the sake of 2's kilogram of light weight. They were scattered by them, and when traveling by train, i.e. you don’t have to drag anything yet? Something here someone drives, in my opinion.
                  At the beginning of the Battle of Galicia on the Southwestern Front, in units of the 38th Infantry Division of the 19th Army Corps, there were daily interruptions in the supply of food to the soldiers. As a result, "the attack by 152 p [infantry] p [olk] on the village of Dombrov was carried out extremely sluggishly and indecisively, which is explained by general fatigue, extreme moral stress and hunger." On the North-Western Front, during this initial period of the war, no less depressing situations were noted. On August 12 (25), 1914, the commander of the 13th Army Corps telegraphed the Chief of Staff of the 2nd Army: “... the corps area is extremely poor, literally you cannot find a single piece of bread, which I personally experience. There are no regiments richly provided with bread and breadcrumbs in the corps. " In the war log of the 3rd Guards Division, in mid-September 1914, the following dispassionate entry is dated: “... The units experienced difficulties in food and forage. The lack of supplies in the commissariat made it necessary for each unit to independently organize their meals. "

                  https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5a674b59fd96b12c7c400957/ni-hleba-ni-soli-netuti-chto-el-russkii-soldat-v-pervuiu-mirovuiu-5b55c9fc46ece700aacdd491
                  And the 26-th Mogilevsky, therefore, was scattered left and right with breadcrumbs. belay And this is with the attitude of peasants to bread ... request I do not believe ... I would like to ask the author, where are the memoirs from?
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 16 August 2019 10: 39
                    -3
                    Comrade Brutan, who presses me not childishly in the comments for having doubts, seems to have found a memoir. Ask can share.
                    1. Brutan
                      Brutan 16 August 2019 10: 42
                      +10
                      The Lord is with you. Do not press, chat buddy)
                  2. Brutan
                    Brutan 16 August 2019 10: 48
                    +7
                    Mordvin 3 (Vladimir)
                    Why author? Read here)

                    Get rid of the Mogilev regiment, probably confused Panov - namesake.
                    The main thing is that the regiment - the person involved in the article - is a participant in the East Prussian operation. And V. Panov is a participant in the events under consideration and an eyewitness.
                    The memoirs were published in one of the collections of tactical examples for the Red Army commanding staff.
                    You may not believe further, your business. Believe only your dreams.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 16 August 2019 10: 53
                      -1
                      Quote: Brutan
                      Believe only your dreams.

                      And I don’t even believe my dreams. feel
                      1. Brutan
                        Brutan 16 August 2019 10: 57
                        +7
                        then believe schizophrenic Samson delights wink
                2. Evil echo
                  Evil echo 16 August 2019 11: 32
                  +2
                  I didn’t understand you right away, I liked the article.
              2. Evil echo
                Evil echo 17 August 2019 20: 16
                +2
                I goof, I debated with Undecim, and by the way, I pushed the minuses, I see for the love of art, not reading the comments.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 17 August 2019 20: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Evil Echo
                  I goof, debated with Undecim, and by the way I put the minuses

                  It happens. Friday evening .. I will correct slightly if you do not mind)))

                  Undecim, aka Decimam, aka Curious ... an interesting conversationalist, yes.
                  1. Evil echo
                    Evil echo 17 August 2019 22: 02
                    0
                    There is still justice on our planet. laughing At the expense of names I’ll observe, I'm interested.
        2. Undecim
          Undecim 16 August 2019 07: 40
          -3
          Then the regiment moved through the territory of the Volyn province and entered the first contact with the enemy on August 12 near the village of Telyatin (now - the territory of Poland).

          Then you can see https://gwar.mil.ru/documents/view/?id=51515033.
          1. Moore
            Moore 17 August 2019 18: 08
            -2
            I wonder why some alternatively gifted minus signers do not like the above document. There seems to be no refutation, just by nature’s swagger?
            1. heavy division
              heavy division 17 August 2019 19: 35
              +3
              I repeat once again for the gifted
              The journal has nothing to do with the subject of the article.
              Therefore, this rubbish is minus. As I understand it
              1. Moore
                Moore 18 August 2019 18: 32
                +1
                Unproven rubbish presents to the public a bunch of hamish trolls.
                The number of the regiment was indicated - it was accordingly his journal that was raised. If another would have been indicated, they would have presented it. It seems to be explained to those who do not get it the first time:
                Undecim August 16, 2019 13:13 p.m.
                For the information of the audience following the events. For some time the author of the article removed it from the site and made changes, removing the name of the regiment and replacing it with a kind of "infantry regiment", which confirmed his reputation as a serious author and historian.

                If the whole problem is breeding srachha from scratch - on health. I do not feed the trolls.
                1. heavy division
                  heavy division 18 August 2019 18: 52
                  +4
                  I hear from the troll.
                  He called the magazine trash because the regiment has nothing to do with the subject of the article.
                  What would you present there?)) We were glad that you don’t need to go to the archive, scouring the RGVIA website?
                  So I will explain that the documents laid out there are a drop in the bucket, as archivists themselves told me. Yes, and zhvd shki not a panacea) Documents must be compared with each other and other sources.
                  This is me for reference.
                  All other slander is not on your first fresh conscience.
                  I about it
                  Undecim August 16, 2019 13:13 p.m.
                  For the information of the audience following the events. For some time the author of the article removed it from the site and made changes, removing the name of the regiment and replacing it with a kind of "infantry regiment", which confirmed his reputation as a serious author and historian.

                  it’s not enough that some six are declaring there, hiding behind a mask and trying to cast a shadow on a respected author. And trash named Undecim - also in the basket)
                  I do not feed the trolls.

                  So do I. All the more hundred-armed and hundred-headed, like you and another 100 times you hi
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                      3. Hunghuz
                        Hunghuz 16 August 2019 12: 38
                        +11
                        Moreover, I’ll add that if the East Prussian operation itself began on August 4, then reconnaissance in battle, cavalry raids and other things already at the end of July.
                        Gurko 1st Cavalry Division took possession of Margrabov city on August 1, 1914
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 16 August 2019 10: 50
                -6
                Quote: Brutan
                This is not the point, the point is that the Panov regiment took part in the East Prussian operation and the officer writes about what he saw and knows.

                Give a reference ...
                Quote: Brutan
                Unlike you, Undecim I don’t download anything on the Internet, I don’t graze there

                And where did you get this? They escaped to the archive, were they photographed there? laughing
                1. Brutan
                  Brutan 16 August 2019 10: 54
                  +6
                  Again a reference))
                  there is no reference Uncle Internet, there is a photocopy of a rare edition from Leninka)
                  And where did you get this? They escaped to the archive, were they photographed there?

                  Imagine. In archives and libraries. Photocopies and scans)
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 August 2019 11: 07
                    -6
                    Quote: Brutan
                    Uncle Internet

                    Are you now communicating with us through postcards, or what? Okay, my dear.
                    1. Brutan
                      Brutan 16 August 2019 12: 14
                      +5
                      chatting on the internet
                      but the information from it, unlike you, I do not draw. unlike you.
                      because it's a bad tone)
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 16 August 2019 12: 31
                        -3
                        Quote: Brutan
                        but the information from it, unlike you, I do not draw. unlike you.

                        Behind MKAD there is no life? Others near by have neither Lenin, nor central archives, nor access. So about the bad tone you better keep quiet. You posted some scans, why should I read them, if this is a bad tone? Moreover, such nonsense that the soldiers, who for the most part consisted of former peasants, crackers were thrown out, and not even on the march, but from the train, where they did not have to be dragged anywhere, they were going and going. I’ll believe that they simply ate them, that they simply didn’t give them to them, and that some Panov simply hangs noodles on someone’s ears, too, but to the nonsense that they threw them out - no. Thrown out, ha!
                      2. Brutan
                        Brutan 16 August 2019 12: 53
                        +6
                        Behind MKAD there is no life? Others near by have neither Lenin, nor central archives, nor access.

                        Especially in Akmerik, isn’t it)) And I don’t have them on my side, we drive, we work, unlike some))
                        So about the bad tone you better keep quiet.

                        Why? The use of Internet materials is really a bad tone among normal people - researchers and those who have something to do with science.
                        You posted some scans, why should I read them, if this is a bad tone?

                        Begging, I laid out. But not proud of it)
                        Moreover, such nonsense that the soldiers, who for the most part consisted of former peasants, crackers were thrown out, and not even on the march, but from the train where they did not have to be dragged anywhere, they were going and going. I’ll believe that they simply ate them, that they simply didn’t give them to them, and a certain Panov simply hangs noodles on someone’s ears, too, but to the nonsense that they threw them out - no. Thrown out, ha!

                        There is a million times more trust in the officer - participant in the events than in the modern verbal speculator. And published in the USSR in the interwar years. This time.
                        And why could not the unconscious soldier throw out the unnecessary, in his opinion, burden? Even as thrown, and not only crackers. And uniforms too. After all, they will give. A lot of eyewitnesses write about this.
                        And why crackers when the troops met such abundance in East Prussia? (read memoirs, increase your educational level and do not hang Mordvin noodles in the comments).
                      3. Sergej1972
                        Sergej1972 16 August 2019 16: 17
                        0
                        In Soviet times, documents from archives were published. And referring to these published collections of documents was not shameful. So now, some archives themselves upload the materials of their funds to the network. And the process will continue. An increasing number of funds will be digitized and will be freely available. Is it bad?
                      4. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 16: 47
                        +8
                        So now, some archives themselves upload the materials of their funds to the network.
                        some yes. But most lie in the coffers.
                        An increasing number of funds will be digitized and will be freely available. Is it bad?

                        bad for people who master these materials with their legs and eyes.
                        and of course, it’s good for Internet parasites who only absorb the ready without putting any effort into introducing these documents into scientific circulation
                      5. Freeman
                        Freeman 16 August 2019 16: 46
                        -6
                        Mordvin 3 (Vladimir) Today, 12: 31
                        That they simply gobbled them up, into this I believe that they simply did not give themand a certain Panov simply hangs noodles on someone’s ears - too, but in the rubbish that they threw them out - no. Thrown out, ha!


                        Perhaps you are not far from the truth. For the "search showed" that this gentleman is a colonel, from the quartermasters.


                        The ranks of the Moscow District Commandant's Office, headed by the former district commander P.T. Zaushkevich. (Moscow, 1914)

                        source:
                        http://ria1914.info/index.php/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%92%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80_%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
                      6. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 17: 00
                        +5
                        Wanted?
                        What can your cheap wanted list give?
                        What led? Some kind of faces.
                        And now try to PROVE that these unknown faces taken from the face are related to the military officer V. Panov?
                        However, what to take from such a slanderer like you? The Talmud is your source.
                        Base
                      7. Freeman
                        Freeman 16 August 2019 19: 27
                        -2
                        Quote: heavy division
                        Wanted?
                        What can your cheap wanted list give?
                        What led? Some kind of faces.
                        Now try to PROVE, that these faces taken from nowhere are related to the military officer V. Panov?
                        However, what to take from such a slanderer like you? The Talmud is your source.
                        Base

                        If you bother to follow the link, you will see.
                        - And about the commissariat and about the 26th regiment.
                        Believe it or not is your right, but if you accuse the opponent of defamation, take the trouble to provide refuting materials as well.
                        Threat. I do not categorically affirm anything, I just cited materials in favor of the hypothesis put forward.
                      8. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 21: 12
                        +4
                        So what?
                        The link sends not to the quartermaster, but to the military officer V.K. Panov from the 26th paragraph Kombat.
                        But the regiment has nothing to do with the article. This time.
                        And what, V. Panov alone in the entire Russian army? These are two.
                        Prove that V.K. Panov from the 26th regiment and V. Panov from the article - is the participant in the East Prussian campaign one person?)
                        Take the trouble to provide the identity materials of both Panovs. Look forward to)
                      9. Undecim
                        Undecim 16 August 2019 13: 13
                        -3
                        So, to summarize the communication with an individual under the nickname Brutan and his minuscule hamster fans, who did not even understand that the author made corrections to the article.
                        The indicated individual was not able to formulate his claims to the commentary, which indicated contradictions in the memoirs and historical archival documents cited by the author of the article (military diary).
                        Instead, he talked about nonsense about the knowledge obtained from "literary sources" (though he never referred to any source) and some articles of his opponent, which he could not name.
                        Someone Brutan also showed blatant ignorance, because he did not know about the existence in the historical literature of dating in the new and old style.
                        When asked where Brutan got his knowledge from, there was no clear answer, the object vaguely hinted at some scans from archives and libraries, but forgot to indicate which of them.
                        By all indications, with all due respect to Mr. Brutan, his actions are signs of an ordinary troll.
                        For the information of the audience following the events. For some time the author of the article removed it from the site and made changes, removing the name of the regiment and replacing it with a kind of "infantry regiment", which confirmed his reputation as a serious author and historian.
                        I wish a certain Brutan success in the field of trolling.
                      10. Undecim
                        Undecim 16 August 2019 13: 19
                        -4
                        Attention minus hamsters-trolls-brutans. Your minuses in your social status will not change anything. Who was nobody, that will remain nobody, even get out of my way. Especially indicative in terms of the adequacy of the minus under archival documents.
                      11. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 16 August 2019 13: 37
                        +5
                        Especially indicative in terms of the adequacy of the minus under archival documents.

                        not related to the article
                      12. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 16 August 2019 13: 22
                        +8
                        And here I am also watching and I want to inform the public after.
                        1) There are no contradictions in the article. Everything is logical and informative. The article is based on the primary source - that is, information from a direct participant in the events.
                        2) someone Undecim is not only engaged in fiction, pointing out mythical contradictions and citing the excerpts downloaded from a document that is not related to the subject of the article downloaded from the RGVIA website. He shows his ignorance, not knowing the dating of the East Prussian operation and about actions in anticipation of the latter. He brings a lot of styles, not knowing about the existence of the only one at that time in Russia.
                        3) The above, as well as type insinuations
                        The author of the article for some time removed it from the site and made changes, removing the name of the regiment and replacing it with a certain "infantry regiment"
                        allow you to qualify this Undecim as an ordinary troll, but only one of the hypostases of a famous character.
                        I would say that you need to drive these from the site. But it would be if he were an independent person. And so this is by definition impossible.
                        But also wish him
                        successes in the field of trolling.
                        also do not want
                        hi
                      13. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 16 August 2019 13: 26
                        +7
                        And here's another way. Missed
                        Undecim
                        Instead, he talked nonsense about the knowledge obtained from "literary sources"

                        Poor Undecim just doesn't know what a "literal" source is. That is, written.
                        He called it literary laughing
                        and the ignoramus confirms his reputation - know-it-alls
                      14. Undecim
                        Undecim 16 August 2019 13: 26
                        -6
                        A rare case when an opponent has identified himself. True, he didn’t say anything specifically, but at least his face was ajar, already worthy of respect. The main thing is that I did not notice that the author of the article paid attention to contradictions, but this is secondary. The main thing is to identify yourself in the ranks of scholars.
                      15. Undecim
                        Undecim 16 August 2019 13: 30
                        -5
                        Someone Caesar. You can promote all my active comments. Me for you ... you understand. The dog barks - the wind wears.
                      16. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 16 August 2019 13: 35
                        +6
                        The dog barks - the wind wears.

                        that’s how smart people relate to your opus in the comments)
                        and to the opuses in the articles as well)
                      17. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 16 August 2019 13: 32
                        +7
                        Dear, it was a view from the side. However, if you want, then I’ll clarify
                        Undecim
                        A rare case when an opponent has identified himself

                        how rare is it when you have so many hypostases ?? And yes, you are completely right about yourself.
                        Do you know what gives you away? Ignorance, the deepest ignorance of all your nicknames despite the fact that you position yourself as a know-it-all. As well as climbing on the Internet and the boisterously assertive style of punks.
                        But ...
                        Specifically, everything is clear.
                        The main thing is to identify yourself in the ranks of scholars.

                        No, the main thing is different.
                        The main thing that we have established is that the upper-eyed and the ignorant are trying to be clever in the comments. Well, everyone understands the level of this action))
                      18. Undecim
                        Undecim 16 August 2019 13: 54
                        -7
                        when you have so many hypostases ??
                        It’s not the first hamster who doldrums me about some of my forms. Can you give examples of these hypostases? Or do my comments cause you to have multiple comparisons?
                        The main thing that we have established is that the upper-eyed and the ignorant are trying to be clever in the comments.
                        You could just write about yourself - Caesar. Everyone already knows that Caesar is a peep and an ignoramus, who tries to be clever in the comments ", the information value of which is zero, but very jealous of people with knowledge. But working in this direction is either lazy or nothing, so he remains angry with envy trolling.
                        Good luck - CAESAR!
                      19. XII Legion
                        XII Legion 16 August 2019 14: 09
                        +5
                        Well, in this comment you show your complete failure and powerless malice)
                        Know affected by the living)
                        and to you the success of Undecim - in cluttering the brains of gullible Russians hi
                        implement the important function of the State Department!
                      20. Undecim
                        Undecim 16 August 2019 14: 23
                        -4
                        Yes Caesar, I sympathize with you. Living with a TV instead of a head is hard. Yes, even to deal with the ubiquitous State Department at the same time. Involuntarily in those around you will see both powerless malice and bankruptcy. Such is the unfortunate destiny of the victims of propaganda and individuals, who are equated with them and draw information more than they are able to assimilate.
                        Rumor has it that the government will soon introduce benefits to them. So I'm calm for you. Such as you will not give an abyss, then you, at 80%, everything keeps. Strategic, one might say, stock.
                        Good luck!
                      21. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 16 August 2019 16: 26
                        -4
                        The funny thing is that the 12th legion, accusing you of "hypostases", is very likely not without sin itself. In an article dated April 26 about the Russian front of the First World War, the user Adjutant in his responses quoted quotes from the texts of the 12th legion, and at one point he forgot and began to speak on behalf of the 12th legion. In that topic, they rolled out a similar accusation to me)
                        In general, if you are an outside observer in topics devoted to WWI, you get a very definite impression that Hunguz, the 12th Legion, Adjutant and another user who has an airplane (like) in a black and white old photo - if not one face, then one compass.
                        Thank you for the article, the beginning of an interesting informative cycle.

                        generally already a business card.
                        Another personal observation ....
                        When in a week you go into the topic where you argued with one of these guys, then on average, just 4 minuses come to the message ratings, which at first there wasn’t a coincidence, probably.
                      22. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 16: 44
                        +7
                        The funny thing is that the 12th legion, accusing you of "hypostases", is very likely not without sin.

                        Well, you already have hundreds of such sins.
                        I won’t even share my observations, so as not to undermine the remains of the authority of the Sharashkina office)))
                      23. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 16 August 2019 16: 47
                        0
                        Share, please, gosh! With examples only, please.
                      24. Undecim
                        Undecim 16 August 2019 17: 02
                        0
                        Here's another "hypostasis" for you. Somehow they did not mention the State Department's manuals today. It can be seen that the troll program failed.
                      25. Undecim
                        Undecim 16 August 2019 16: 47
                        0
                        When in a week you go into the topic where you argued with one of these guys, then on average, just 4 minuses come to the message ratings, which at first there wasn’t a coincidence, probably.
                        No, not a coincidence. Togetherness. A touching unity of patriotic hamsters-turbomonarchists.
                      26. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 16: 55
                        +5
                        But the fact that you immediately ran into two muzzles (The vile skeptic (Timur) and Undecim), and indeed you are worried about this - is the best confirmation laughing
                      27. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 16 August 2019 18: 11
                        0
                        you immediately ran in two faces ... - ... is the best confirmation

                        Is this your evidence base, gosh?
                        Have we run somewhere else? Together?
                        Let's wager who will show more articles where I and Undecim, as opposed to any of the members of the user group I mentioned (and you in addition to them, what is already here) "back up" each other or are "admiring interlocutors" or "fiery defenders " each other?
                        And at the same time, we compare the activity on the site.
                        and generally worry about it

                        desire for justice - the natural desire of the individual
                      28. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 18: 50
                        +3
                        And continue the topic))
                        Know the backlog of living Timur wink
                      29. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 16 August 2019 20: 06
                        0
                        You are not Sherlock, Gosh.
                        I just don't like the golovolovshina.
                        Since
                        Well, you already have hundreds of such sins

                        then I’m confused why you ignore the bet you have proposed.
                      30. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 21: 07
                        +4
                        Why get lost? There is nobody else here besides us)
                        You know that very well. do not portray offended innocence
                      31. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 21: 08
                        +3
                        except us, Vyacheslav Olegovich wink
                        and no need to see other idiots
                      32. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 17 August 2019 15: 17
                        0
                        Others and without my participation do an excellent job, posing as idiots. Like for example now, considering me Undecimom. You are offered a way to determine the relationship between people with a certain degree of certainty. Do you agree to bet? Well no? My whole interest in continuing the conversation with you, Gosh, is based only on this.

                        PS If they can confuse me with Vyacheslav Olegovich, then for me it is flattering.
                      33. heavy division
                        heavy division 17 August 2019 16: 51
                        +4
                        Mom is not my fault laughing
                        Come on, do not make excuses. The main thing is that we understood each other)
                        Turning to you, I quote Michael Douglas in one of the films:
                        "Let's make a deal: you won't tell lies about me, and I won't tell the truth about you." laughing
                        You can’t say better. Okay, it’s useless to negotiate anything with you at all. Therefore, the foregoing is rhetorical in nature and does not affect social status laughing
                      34. Town Hall
                        Town Hall 18 August 2019 18: 51
                        -2
                        Quote: Undecim
                        Touching unity of patriotic hamsters-turbomonarchists

                        I’m even afraid to think about who is the most important turbo-monarchist patriot Velikoros on our site)
                  2. Freeman
                    Freeman 16 August 2019 16: 10
                    -5
                    Brutan (Rizvan) Today, 10:54
                    Again a reference))
                    there is no reference Uncle Internet, there is a photocopy of a rare edition from Leninka)

                    In response to such a request, if there is no Internet link, you can provide an archival or bibliographic link.
                    Moreover, you have a document scan. hi
                    1. heavy division
                      heavy division 16 August 2019 16: 43
                      +6
                      In response to such a request, if there is no Internet link, you can provide an archival or bibliographic link.

                      kindergarten, by golly, do not disgrace)))
                      you are aware that huge strata of documents and literature are not well known to anyone, and they aren’t something to give a reference to, people like you don’t know about them.
                      someone found made a copy. What to give a link to your personal archive on your computer or in a bookcase?)))
                      1. Freeman
                        Freeman 16 August 2019 20: 38
                        -3
                        Quote: heavy division
                        In response to such a request, if there is no Internet link, you can provide an archival or bibliographic link.

                        kindergarten, by golly, do not disgrace)))
                        you are aware that huge strata of documents and literature are not well known to anyone, and they aren’t something to give a reference to, people like you don’t know about them.
                        someone found made a copy. What to give a link to your personal archive on your computer or in a bookcase?)))

                        The archive is not a "basement with a heap of waste paper in which visitors rummage", but a serious institution. Where each document has its own number.
                        As an example, a photo of the cover of the folder with the "journal of military operations of the 26th regiment".
                        You can find the correct link to any archive document on the Internet.
                      2. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 21: 05
                        +4
                        Are you talking to me?))
                        You tell how to work in the archive? A man who has not spent a day there?))
                        That I must teach you.
                        I only in a previous post commented on your craving to look for all links on the Internet)
                      3. heavy division
                        heavy division 16 August 2019 21: 06
                        +4
                        And the photos of our 26th regiment were downloaded from the website of the Russian State Aviation Administration and writhed as an experienced archive worker
                        Scream))
  4. Undecim
    Undecim 16 August 2019 09: 35
    -4
    "Enough of breach already"
    It would be good to back up such an accusation with references to any sources, because the boorish form of appeal is not yet an argument.
    And the sources just say that desertion in various forms took place and was a serious problem.
    https://cyberleninka.ru/article/v/rossiyskie-dezertiry-pervoy-mirovoy-voyny.
  5. Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 16 August 2019 12: 39
    +9
    Thank you for the article, the beginning of an interesting informative cycle.
  6. Walking
    Walking 16 August 2019 12: 53
    -5
    Is something wrong with the release of rusks, are the soldiers still personnel, former peasants who often did not eat up in the villages, throw rusks out of the car? Some memoirs are suspicious.
    1. Brutan
      Brutan 16 August 2019 12: 58
      +6
      Personnel ??
      Do you know that after the influx of spare shelves, 2/3 were diluted with non-personnel?)
      Memoirs are super. Especially published in Soviet times.
      No, on the contrary. The character is suspicious, who not only does not fumble about the topic, but also scribbles under a bunch of nicknames, trying to cast a shadow on the cognitive material in the "comments".
      1. Walking
        Walking 16 August 2019 15: 49
        -6
        Quote: Brutan

        ... The character is suspicious, who not only does not fumble about the topic, but also scribbles under a bunch of nicknames, trying to cast a shadow on the cognitive material in the "comments".

        But how hooked you are!
        Yes, without even knowing the person to blame him for not knowing the topic. Well, I'm not going to discuss with you and convince too.
        1. heavy division
          heavy division 16 August 2019 16: 40
          +5
          Personnel ??
          Do you know that after the influx of spare shelves, 2/3 were diluted with non-personnel?)

          This is absolutely true.
          Listen to what is being explained to you.
          For your part, they entered the WWI cropped, without saturation, draftees. It really means that you don’t know
  7. Adjutant
    Adjutant 16 August 2019 13: 14
    +9
    Information from the first root is always of high value.
    Thank you for the article!
  8. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 16 August 2019 16: 20
    +1
    Regarding the special attitude of the villagers to bread, breadcrumbs. People are different, and in the conditions of normal provision of food they could throw out crackers.
  9. Freeman
    Freeman 16 August 2019 16: 33
    -6
    Quote: Brutan
    Well no, scooping from literary sources)
    It’s probably not clear to you, an Internet service provider, how someone can get knowledge not from the world garbage dump, but by going to libraries and archives)


    what Uff ...


    Quote: XII legion
    And here's another way. Missed
    Undecim
    Instead, he talked nonsense about the knowledge obtained from "literary sources"

    Poor Undecim just doesn't know what it is "literal" source. That is, written.
    He called it literary laughing
    and the ignoramus confirms his reputation - know-it-alls

    But I would not trust any "literal" sources.
    - You can only believe in "chirographic"!
    wassat laughing / sarcasm /
    1. heavy division
      heavy division 16 August 2019 16: 53
      +6
      It’s you who are talking about ignorance of what kind of source is called literal?)
      or in your literature and literal source is the same thing?))
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 16 August 2019 19: 03
        -4
        Quote: heavy division
        You’re talking like that. ignorance[/ b] of what kind of source is called literal?)
        or in your literature and literal source is the same thing?))

        You're right. I actually learned that a written source can be called "literal", from [b] Brutal
        .
        Actually, I visit this site in order to broaden my horizons.
        But I did not like at all the snobbish tone with which he brought "this secret knowledge" to the members of the forum.
        In spite of him, I pointed out that the written source can be called "chirographic".
        1. Foul skeptic
          Foul skeptic 16 August 2019 20: 28
          -2
          Alexey, Literary source - a meaningless combination of words in context, the use of this phrase in this topic.
          A literal (with one T) source and literature (if it is positioned as a source of information) are formally the same thing.
          Friendly advice, always check in third-party sources everything that you read on this forum.
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 16 August 2019 20: 46
            -2
            But there are nuances. Letters of business or personal correspondence per se, for example, are not literature, but they are literary sources. But the published correspondence is already literature)
          2. heavy division
            heavy division 16 August 2019 21: 03
            +4
            All your verbosity The vile skeptic allows you to conclude - do not know what it is about, be silent.
            Recommendation - carefully study Roman law and its sources. Then find out the meaning of the word "literal"
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 17 August 2019 15: 08
              -3
              Oh yes, above in his commentary Brutan, using the word lit (t) eral (which after my comment you for some reason began to use one "T" tongue ) of course, I was talking about Roman law laughing laughing So let's write
              1. heavy division
                heavy division 17 August 2019 16: 52
                +4
                oh, you are a specialist in writing words whose essence we don’t know laughing
                and write it down wink
  10. Dalton
    Dalton 17 August 2019 19: 55
    +5
    The article is devoted to a very important and interesting issue: the nutrition of military personnel of the army infantry regiment of the Russian army in 1914. The material is based on evidence of a direct participant in the events, a military officer - that is, the source.
    We see very interesting details of the issue, as well as the fact that, on the whole, the contentment was adequate, and in East Prussia even with too much)
    More such materials and thanks for the publication!
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