"The sturgeon canned food was great." Frontline life of the Russian warrior of the First World War in photos

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The life of the Russian fighter of the First World War is often looked in black tones. But what do the warriors' memories themselves and photographs tell us - impassive witnesses of the long past war?

In addition to photos from the editions of the war years, we used the memories of officers and soldiers of the Russian army, published on the pages of various periodicals (Military profit, Military affairs, etc.).




Dugout (letter from the motherland).

If you describe the food and salary of a soldier, then, as the front-line soldier noted, 3 pounds of rye bread were given out daily, as well as tea, sugar, tobacco, and soap. Each company had a field camp kitchen and a kettle. They were managed by a “cook” - as the fighters called a company cook. Daily in the morning and in the evening tea was given to the soldiers. Lunch - every day, meat, with a portion of meat, and soup or soup cooked from different cereals.


Fighters at lunch.

After the February Revolution, the supply initially deteriorated sharply - and the soup was cooked, filling with pearl barley, herring, and lentils, called shrapnel. For dinner, the second was buckwheat or millet porridge on beef or mutton fat. In Romania, in the winter on the 1917 year, rice porridge was often served the second.


General view of the bakery.


Acceptance of bread.


Loading flour on the narrow gauge railway.

The soldiers, as a contemporary wrote, were always well-fed, and, thanks to the soldiers' bench (they sold shag, cigarettes, soap, envelopes and writing paper, needles, threads, etc. household change) and regularly received gifts, nothing “needs not tested. " 75-kopecks salary was enough to buy all these little things.



Cabbage was souring for the winter, cucumbers were salted. Year-round boiled kvass, also served to the soldier’s table. Bread was baked at the regimental bakeries, and the shelves competed in the championship for well-baked and tasty bread.








Marching bakery for baking white bread.

By the way, in the field conditions, the soldier's knapsack, among other things, contained: a mug, a spoon, tea, sugar, bread and a NZ - “emergency reserve” (cans of canned goods and a bag of biscuits). When 1916 was allowed to eat this NZ in the spring, as the officer who learned his taste noted, “white flour biscuits were very tasty, and sturgeon canned food (whole piece) was simply gorgeous”.



The officers ’supply was provided by the“ officers ’assembly”. The officers chose the “host of the assembly,” who was in charge of the officers' shop. The kitchen of the officer’s meeting was headed by an artel, a non-commissioned officer. The kitchen was served by a qualified chef with an assistant. There was a field kitchen and household-carts. The cost of food was about 30 rubles per month. Part of the products was purchased for cash in the household parts, and some - from the local population. The cook carried an oven and a cast-iron stove with him — folding tiles at each new place (he cooked dinner on the stove and roasted the dish in the oven). Food was delivered to the position by the officer’s officers (each officer had his own canteen). When a part was in reserve or on vacation, they organized a special dining room or built a shed with shops and tables dug into the ground, or a hut was fitted for these purposes. The officers sat at the table only after the regiment commander arrived and, with the permission of the latter, proceeded to dinner.


Camp Kitchen.


Cutting portions.

As the shooter noted, the officer’s salary — the basic salary — was preserved until the October Revolution at the same rate as Peter I had set out in the “Table of Ranks”. The ensign, for example, received 50 rubles per month plus 10 rubles per month surcharges. Persons who were in the Army, relied (the amount differed depending on the position) so-called. “Field portion money” - for example, the company commander received up to 200 rubles a month (a significant amount for those times). There was almost nothing to spend on the front. As a result, the majority of officers, and such were, in the bulk, the sons of the laboring intelligentsia, unmarried young people, sent the excess money to their relatives.


Distribution of salaries to officers.

Waited for soldiers and gifts from individuals, organizations and the state.






The regiment’s economy was controlled by the assistant commander for economic affairs. It included: a non-combatant company (its commander was also the head of the convoy of the 1st and 2nd categories), portioned cattle herds and workshops: boot, sewing and armoryas well as a soldier's shop. The regimental treasurer and clerk with the staff of clerks were also at the economic part.








Armory workshop.



Polkovoy okolotok: senior and junior doctors, several paramedics and nurses. There were vehicles with gigs and vehicles in the vicinity.


Leisure at the dressing station.




Dressing station.




Dressing station.


In the neighborhood. At the reception.


Ligation easily wounded.


Typhoid vaccine.


Loading the wounded.

During the location of the regiment in the settlements, the police organized washing in the baths and sanitary treatment of the uniforms through the so-called "Car vyshiboyku". Cruised and well-equipped with all necessary train-baths (we will tell about them in detail - in one of the following articles).




Walking bath and boilers for disinfecting linen.


Baths on the position.



The regiment had a regimental priest and a clerk (from the soldiers).

The regiment was served by field mail. The address for the posts looked as follows: Acting army, such and such regiment. It was believed that military secrecy was so preserved - but the regiment number did not keep this secret. Since a positional war caused a long stay of the unit at the same place, the local population knew exactly which units were located in their area - and the enemy could get the necessary information through their agents.

In quiet periods at the front, soldiers continued to teach literacy under the shelves - to write and read, as well as 4-th rules of arithmetic. There were also soldiers' libraries, periodically practiced “reading” with the demonstration of pictures - they were of great interest to the soldiers, because at that time the cinema was not yet widespread and was not available to the soldiers (but sometimes film screenings were carried out; so, working with documents from Astrakhan Cossack regiments, we found information about the Cossacks visiting the "cinema" - which came to the regiment in the spring of 1917). There were also gramophones - along with a set of records on which folk songs and military marches were recorded.


Read the newspaper.




Arranged amateur evenings, such as a Christmas tree, with appropriate performances. Simple performances were also staged. Played in the performances, as a rule, the soldiers who were "in the civilian" actors.


Concert.

The regimental family continued to remain at the front of the regimental family.




And the life of a Russian soldier and officer, determined by the conditions of the current combat situation and representing an exceptionally interesting phenomenon, is a grateful topic for subsequent detailed research.





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  1. +8
    6 July 2018 06: 04
    As the saying goes ... War is war ... And lunch is scheduled ...
    1. +7
      6 July 2018 10: 05
      sturgeon mean? In tsarist Russia there were so many sturgeons that no one ate it, so nikolashka made war so that the sturgeon would not be lost.
      1. +1
        6 July 2018 13: 31
        Bar, more than once on the site the question was raised, what made RI join WWI? And regarding the "canned sturgeon", consider that the author is fantasizing and he has no evidence
        1. 0
          8 July 2018 19: 17
          recollection of the officer, the gentlemen could have a sturgeon.
    2. +8
      6 July 2018 10: 27
      The life of a Russian fighter of the First World War is often watched in black.
      What to do was such a propaganda focus
    3. 0
      7 July 2018 13: 11
      I agree! but our soldiers were more unpretentious than the rest more hallowed for warwink
      1. +3
        9 July 2018 15: 54
        From zhezh thankless soldier! They fried themselves with sturgeon and meat from a belly, and they took the holy king of the Tsar - they threw off a rag, ungrateful. Vague suspicions - Mrs. Poklonskaya helped write the article, crunching a French baguette.
  2. +26
    6 July 2018 06: 14
    Judging by the photos, the passion for window dressing in the army did not start yesterday.
  3. +18
    6 July 2018 06: 32
    Yes, and what was missing ... lived like cheese in butter skated ... and decided to rebel ... sturgeon. caviar. poured ... not like a scoop ..
    1. +22
      6 July 2018 07: 03
      Quote: apro
      Yes, and what was missing ... lived like cheese in butter skated ...

      Yeah, crunching rolls in the article, goes into thunder peals lol
    2. +13
      6 July 2018 09: 15
      And before the overthrow of the Emperor, disobedience to military discipline among the RIA soldiers was the exception rather than the rule. Riots began by the end of 1916 — around the time that the disease struck all the warring armies.
      1. BAI
        +10
        6 July 2018 12: 59
        Riots began by the end of 1916

        But “Potemkin” and “Ochakov” did not know this!
        1. +3
          6 July 2018 15: 43
          Sveaborg fortress did not know about this either.
    3. +1
      7 July 2018 20: 49
      Grandfather fought in the first imperialist. Told fed well. I remembered because my grandfather told them they were giving two pounds of meat! And this is only during the war! ................--- I found a diet ------------ http://army.armor.kiev.ua/hist/paek- rusarm1914.sh
      tml "---- The wartime supply standards for 1 person per day:

      Name Army Guard
      Rye bread
      or Rusks rye 2254gr.
      1539gr. 2254gr.
      1539gr.
      Groats (millet, buckwheat, oatmeal, rice) 238g. 307gr.
      Welding money or products in kind Meat
      or Meat + canned meat 716gr.
      307g + 409.5g. 716gr.
      307g + 409.5g
      fresh vegetables
      or Dried vegetables 255gr.
      17gr. 255gr.
      17gr.
      Cow's butter or pork fat 21g. 21gr.
      Wheat flour 17gr. 17gr.
      Tea money or products in kind: Tea 2gr. 2.gr.
      Sugar 25 gr. 25 gr.
      1. +1
        16 September 2018 14: 32
        30 vis "I told them they were fed well"
        Hmm ... and my grandfather told me that they wanted to feed them something like rotten fish. The soldiers were outraged. The instigators were eventually taken away somewhere from where they never returned. And the regiment commander (in my opinion) delivered a heartfelt speech to the soldiers. In which he said that "You GAVNA in Russia, I only have enough officers sorry." Here's your attitude.))) And here they tell me how wonderful everything was.))) As for the holidays, I can say the following. The distribution was carried out by lot. At least my grandfather in the unit was so.
  4. +9
    6 July 2018 06: 43
    "A sturgeon in one piece," of course, struck. good
    And the level of caloric intake of Russian soldiers "caught up" for many decades later ....
    In addition to what is stated in the article, one can recall the existing leave system for soldiers
    1. +13
      6 July 2018 07: 07
      Quote: Olgovich
      And the level of caloric intake of Russian soldiers "caught up" for many decades later ....

      Well, well, tell us about the nutrition of the soldiers of the RIA, and the Red Army smile
      1. +9
        6 July 2018 09: 39
        With joy. Here are two links for you: a scientific article and an article in LJ. If you are interested in the subject, please read:
        https://mil-history.livejournal.com/1548020.html

        http://historystudies.org/2012/07/krinko-e-f-tazh
        idinova-ig-pitanie-voennosluzhashhix-v-1941-1945
        -gg /
        1. +8
          6 July 2018 15: 36
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          two links

          I got acquainted with one - nonsense ... request
          For example:
          There was trouble with meat in general in the Red Army, 175g according to the front-line norms from 1934, 150g according to the front-line norms from 1941, versus 716g. In wartime and 307g in peacetime in the imperial army

          307 grams (3/4 pounds) of meat per day in the RIA, this is only on meat days, and there were a little more than half, the rest days are lean.
          On average, if you take into account the fast days in RI, then in RIA it was supposed to be about 169 g. meat per day; in the Red Army - 175 gr.
          1. 0
            23 July 2018 18: 17
            Add specifics:
            The new norms of food supply to the Red Army were established on September 12, 1941 (decree of the State Defense Committee of the USSR N 662; entered into force on September 22 by order of the Commissar of Defense N 312).
            The daily allowance of the Red Army and the commanding personnel of the combat units of the army included 800 g of rye wallpaper bread (900 g in the cold season, from October to March), 500 g of potatoes, 320 g of other vegetables (fresh or pickled cabbage, carrots, beets, onions, herbs), 170 g of cereals and pasta, 150 g of meat, 100 g of fish, 50 g of fat (30 g of overalls and fat, 20 g of vegetable oil), 35 g of sugar. Smoked servicemen were supposed to have 20 grams of shag daily, monthly - 7 smoking books as paper and three boxes of matches. Compared to pre-war standards, only wheat bread replaced with rye disappeared from the main diet.
    2. +22
      6 July 2018 07: 22
      Do not trifle Olgovich, immediately write about red and black caviar, as well as parmesan and marbled beef in the diet of the soldiers of the Republic of Ingushetia, as a result of which, their brains swam with fat and wanted "something sharp" in the form of a revolution and here it is from Mars and the evil Bolsheviks fell, who destroyed this idyll. It sometimes seems to me that from the crunch of French rolls your brain cracked.
      1. +6
        6 July 2018 08: 36
        Quote: zoolu350
        Do not trifle Olgovich, immediately write about red and black calvese as well as parmesan and marbled beef in the diet of the soldiers of the Republic of Ingushetia, as a result of which, their brains swam with fat and they wanted "something sharp" in the form of a revolution, and here the evil Bolsheviks fell off Mars, which destroyed this idyll. I think,

        With similar "seems" you have addressed obviously not to the address:
        Alas, I can not provide you with qualified assistance ... request
        Poor him..... request crying
        1. +6
          6 July 2018 12: 36
          Quote: Olgovich
          Alas, I can not provide you with qualified assistance ... request
          Poor him..... request crying

          Positive emotions, in the form of laughter, contribute to the tone of the nervous system and the general condition of the body. Reading your bulky-crunchy opuses sucked from my finger, I “burn out”, and the possibility of dipping you into your own lies or watching others dunk into you causes social satisfaction. So while you are giving me qualified help, and when you go to the uranium mines, then give help not only to me, but to the entire Soviet people.
          1. +1
            6 July 2018 14: 04
            "when you go to the uranium mines" i.e. NEVER: it seems Ilyukhin said that in the Soviet Union such punishment as uranium mines was not applied. In this case, you can be suspected of anti-Soviet propaganda.
            1. +2
              7 July 2018 01: 27
              NEVER SPEAK NEVER. If in the middle of 2013 I would scream in the center of Donetsk that in a year all of its inhabitants would be killed by their own people, then I would be tapped into the front of my head and surrendered to a fool, so do not promise. Uranium mines were not used in the USSR in relation to Bulk-crunches and Vlasovites, so they will be used in the new SOVIET SOCIALIST EURASIAN EMPIRE.
              1. 0
                23 July 2018 18: 46
                Two years after the GKO decision of November 27, 1942, the Soviet Union still did not have uranium. There were no volunteers to work in uranium mines in the Central Asian deserts. By the end of 1944, about 500 people worked in the entire system of the uranium industry of the USSR, but for them there were no residential premises or technical facilities. Geologists by this time discovered several more uranium deposits in areas bordering Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. But these deposits were located at distances from 100 to 450 km from the processing plant in the Leninabad region. Each of the donkeys transported from 75 to 100 kg of ore along mountain trails. About one thousand tons of uranium ore should have been delivered to the factory for one ton of 40% uranium concentrate. Even in “rich” uranium ore, metallic uranium makes up only 2/1 of a percent.

                It was not difficult to foresee solutions to the whole problem in the conditions of the Soviet economy of that time. On December 8, 1944, Stalin signed GKO Decree No. 7102ss, according to which all uranium mining and processing programs were transferred from the People’s Commissariat of Non-Ferrous Metals to the People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs (NKVD) and placed under the control of L.P. Beria. This solved the frame problem. The following GKO decree, also signed by Stalin on May 15, 1945, created the integrated Combine No. 6 for the extraction and processing of uranium ores for the entire Central Asia region. The NKVD colonel B.N. Chirkov was appointed the first director of this plant.

                Having received at its disposal uranium mines, the NKVD leadership already in February 1945 decided “to send to the uranium plant special resettlers of the Crimean Tatars from Volgostroi, as well as skilled workers of the agricultural field, to select miners, geologists, chemists, mechanics, and power engineers from other camps. " By August 1945, at the disposal of Colonel Chirkov, who soon became a general, there were already 2295 prisoners, but not “average salaries,” but those with experience in mining, ore, chemical, and technical work. Some of them were repatriates from Germany, who had experience in German enterprises. There were also “Vlasovites”. However, at the special request of the NKVD, a government decision was adopted “On leaving“ Vlasovites among the identified repatriates at the construction of PSU in Leninabad ”.

                A turning point in uranium mining has been achieved. By the end of 1945, Combine No. 6 processed about 10 thousand tons of uranium ore and received 7 tons of uranium concentrate. In 1946, 35 thousand tons of uranium ore were processed. By the end of 1947, Combine No. 6 consisted of seven uranium enrichment plants that received ore from 18 mines. It was processed 176 thousand tons of uranium ore and received 66 tons of uranium concentrate. This ensured the production of almost 25 tons of metallic uranium. In 1948, the production of uranium concentrate doubled. But this still did not meet the needs of an industrial reactor built near the city of Kyshtym.
          2. +2
            7 July 2018 08: 52
            Quote: zoolu350
            Reading your bulky-crisp opus sucked from my finger, I "burning",

            Yes it’s clear that they’ve gone mad. Sorry.
            Quote: zoolu350
            and the opportunity dunk you, in your own lie, or watching others dunk you in it, causes social satisfaction.

            NOBODY has dunked yet, but I don’t remember you at all. Who are you? belay
            Quote: zoolu350
            . So while you you render me qualified help, and when eat on uranium mines, then give help not only to me, but to everything to the Soviet people.

            Didn’t get it? Once again: I I have not special education to provide you with the necessary assistance.
            Although, judging by the "uranium mines of the Soviet people," she’s already late hi
    3. +14
      6 July 2018 08: 42
      Quote: Olgovich

      "A sturgeon in one piece," of course, struck.


      Even choking on sturgeon, they did not want to fight for the tsar-priest.
      True, many people tried meat for the first time in the army.
      Something in the conservatory had to be fixed.
      1. +6
        6 July 2018 09: 09
        they didn’t want to fight for the king-priest.

        For the king-father just fought
        This "democracy" of the 17th year was little combined with the war until victory
      2. +9
        6 July 2018 09: 26
        Nonsense. They fought for the Emperor, and fought willingly. General Golovin writes that
        Moreover, we ourselves were witnesses of the enthusiasm with which the Tsar’s troops met after he became Supreme Commander.

        And the same with meat. You will see agricultural statistics for 1913. There are more than enough bird and livestock heads per capita. So the meat was eaten before the army. And in considerable quantities.
        1. +12
          6 July 2018 09: 38
          Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
          For the Emperor fought, and fought willingly


          Definitely.
          And they threw him off the throne kindly, with the help of faithful soldiers. (Do not attribute this to the Bolsheviks, it will not work).
          1. +10
            6 July 2018 09: 53
            Ma-scarlet such correction. The emperor was not removed from power by soldiers, but by a group of politicians and senior officers. The banal betrayal of a group of people longing for power. Alternatively, gifted people who believed that the war was almost won seriously seriously expected to take the place of the Emperor following the example of the Young Turks. Wrong. The price of their mistake was the death of all of Russia.
            And if you think that soldiers who rebelled in St. Petersburg were involved in the overthrow of the Emperor, then you are mistaken. They rebelled due to fatigue from the war. And this problem was not only ours — France, all spring-summer 1917, similar riots shook.
            1. +10
              6 July 2018 10: 21
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              Alternatively gifted people who believed that the war was almost won seriously seriously expected to take a place


              All commanders, almost the entire generals, part of the imperial family. alternatively gifted?

              Although I agree!
              And so the next revolution naturally and fairly dared alternative.
              1. +6
                6 July 2018 10: 50
                Alternatively gifted are Guchkov, Milyukov, Lviv. From the generals — Ruzsky, probably — Alekseev and Brusilov. The first wanted political power, the second — the glories of the “saviors of the Fatherland”. What to do, military talents often coexist with political myopia and mediocrity.
                Quote: chenia
                therefore, the next revolution naturally and fairly dared the alternative.

                No, my dear, she didn’t dare everyone normal and plunged the country into a whirl of bloody hell and madness.
                1. +9
                  6 July 2018 10: 58
                  Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                  she did not naturally and unfairly dare all normal

                  Is this someone in the normal number? The Nazi servant Krasnov? The Japanese servant Semenov? The ideologist of the whites. Justifying the Nazis-Shulgin?
                  It is already good to write the oppressive opuses .. yours then served Hitler .. They wrote opuses in the Pentagon as Denikin-how to destroy Soviet Russia.
                  Normal people, of all classes, accepted Russia after October 17 and did not serve it for fear, but for conscience.
                  And it was precisely Soviet Russia that was able to become the second power in the world, and your virtual one with kissel rivers and gingerbread shores, lubkovaya. “Russia that you have lost”
            2. +6
              6 July 2018 10: 48
              Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
              The emperor was not removed from power by soldiers, but by a group of politicians and senior officers.

              Just before that, the people staged a demonstration, demanding down with the war! of bread! down with the autocracy!
      3. +6
        6 July 2018 11: 08
        Quote: chenia
        Even choking on sturgeon, they did not want to fight for the tsar-priest

        Yes Yes:
        The impulse that reigned in the battalion allows us to judge the letter found at fallen non-commissioned officer of the 9th company. The letter contained the following words: “Dear sister. Tomorrow's attack. Before us is a formidable enemy, all covered with wire, but we will destroy it. I feel that I will killt tomorrow. Do not cry, I will die for Faith, Tsar and Fatherland ”.
        From an article by A. Oleinikov at VO
        So do not touch with yours what people put their lives for.
        Quote: chenia
        True, many people tried meat for the first time in the army.

        Under the next government, the Russian man managed to eat as much meat as in 1913, only through forty years.
        Do not forget about it ... "ACHIEVEMENTS"! fool
        1. +4
          6 July 2018 12: 51
          Quote: Olgovich
          ... Under the next government, a Russian man could eat as much meat as in 1913, only through forty years.
          Do not forget about it ... "ACHIEVEMENTS"! fool


          Generally speaking, yes, for most military personnel RKKA daily rations on the eve and during World War II in calories were inferior to food standards in the imperial army, when in the diet of soldiers until 1917 the main role was played by meat and bread. For example, before the First World War, a soldier received daily 1 pound (410 g), and with the outbreak of war - 1,5 pounds (615 g) of meat. Only with the transition to a protracted war in 1915 did meat ration decrease, and meat was replaced with corned beef.
          But, there are two points:
          First, the food supply advantage in Red Army can be considered a desire for a more balanced diet, the presence in the daily ration of fresh vegetables, fish and spices to prevent scurvy. The total energy value of the daily allowance of certain categories of soldiers of the Red Army ranged from 2659 to 4712 calories.
          And second, the diet of the Russian Imperial Army did not have any advantages (even vice versa) over the food ration of the air forces of the Red Army. Increased rations with a mandatory hot breakfast relied on the flight crew of the Air Force, which was divided into four categories. The daily allowance for combat crews of the army’s aircraft crews increased compared to pre-war standards - up to 800 g of bread (400 g of rye and 400 g of white), 190 g of cereals and pasta, 500 g of potatoes, 385 g of other vegetables, 390 g of meat and poultry, 90 g of fish, 80 g of sugar, as well as 200 g of fresh and 20 g of condensed milk, 20 g of cottage cheese, 10 g of sour cream, 0,5 eggs, 90 g of butter and 5 g of vegetable oil, 20 g of cheese, fruit extract and dried fruits ( for compote). The daily allowance of the technical composition of the air forces of the army, on the contrary, decreased. On planes it was also supposed to keep a reserve in case of accidents and forced landings (3 cans of condensed milk, 3 cans of canned meat, 800 g biscuits, 300 g chocolate or 800 g cookies, 400 g sugar per person).
          1. +2
            6 July 2018 15: 11
            Quote: Proxima
            Before the First World War, a soldier received daily 1 pound (410 g), and with the outbreak of war - 1,5 pounds (615 g) of meat.

            As far as I know - not a pound, but 3/4 pounds. And not on a daily basis, but only on meat days, because then Orthodoxy was raging with might and main, and other well-being. And these meat days, a year was a little more than half, the rest - lean.
          2. +2
            7 July 2018 09: 04
            Quote: Proxima
            Generally speaking, yes, most RKKA troops daily rations on the eve and during World War II were less caloric than the dietary standards in the imperial army

            At the same time, do not forget that 17% of the supply of the Red Army in the Second World War is Lendliz supply, the same sugar is generally 50%.
            In RI this was not even mentioned.
        2. BAI
          +6
          6 July 2018 12: 57
          Do not cry, I will die for Faith, the Tsar and the Fatherland. ”

          Well, it's like someone:
          Tyulenev recalled how in 1916 his regiment, the sovereign conducted a review and what characterization the author himself and his colleagues gave him: “The pale, painfully-drunken face of the Tsar-Colonel, the feeble figure, lethargy in movements, civilian riding on a horse disappointed even those those who have not eaten in recent days, have not drunk - it would be more likely to see the autocrat of all Russia. “Well, dad, well, and father ...” - we nudged each other with our elbows. - Now it’s clear why Grishka Rasputin and the Germans, the tsarina’s friends, rule the country. But which one is the commander in chief? Mother Russia is gone! ”

          Source: https://www.bibliofond.ru/view.aspx?id=902967
          © Bibliofond
        3. +9
          6 July 2018 14: 31
          Quote: Olgovich
          So do not touch with yours what people put their lives for.


          For the king? Do you know the end result? Almost no one wanted the tsar’s king — neither generals, nor soldiers, nor workers with peasants.
          For the fatherland? Well, in general, no one attacked the fatherland (it was not 1941 - when there was no choice). And for this bl ..... Dardanelles illiterate and clogged (yes that is) the people did not want to fight.


          .
          Quote: Olgovich
          Under the next government, the Russian man managed to eat as much meat as in 1913, only forty years later


          It can be seen not with bread alone. In WWII, volunteers carried out military enlistment offices in droves in droves and the end result was known.
          Yes, it is clear to someone (until now) that a lack of calories (from undernourishment of meat) disrupted the metabolism in the body, which led to inhibition of certain abilities with the inability to evaluate ACHIEVEMENTS of the Soviet period.

          How many times (in a dispute with you) I asked calmly to think, compare, weigh - there is no constant liberoid cliche - you will.
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            1. +3
              7 July 2018 09: 10
              Quote: Olgovich
              Known: in WWI-10% of world losses in the war.
              WWII-52% of global losses.

              In 1 WORLD, did Germany set itself the task of destroying the PEACEFUL population?
              But in the Great Patriotic War, Hitler's Germany posed precisely that task — DESTRUCTION of the population, in order to free up living space, did you know the OST plan?
              Losses of the German Armed Forces with satellites. Equal to the losses of the Red Army, you stop raving and interfere with one another. Pathological Russophobe.
              Quote: Olgovich
              Russian Cross and the disaster of '91: wow, “achievements”

              These are your achievements. And not 91 years 94.
            2. +3
              7 July 2018 09: 26
              Quote: Olgovich
              Goodbye, "expert." You first go to kindergarten


              Connoisseur. declaration of war by the Germans, not the fulfillment of an ultimatum (the beginning of the mobilization of the Russian army, that is, explicit preparation for war). Well, then who attacked whom?
              This is if you do not touch on deeper reasons (but it is already very difficult for you).

              Quote: Olgovich
              Known: in WWI-10% of world losses in the war.
              WWII-52% of global losses.


              10% and the collapse of the empire (could not against Germans conduct a normal offensive operation and recapture part of the empire in three years.

              52% waging a war almost single-handedly. - Continue further or you will reach yourself.

              Quote: Olgovich
              Where and when?


              Is always. Especially when it comes to losses.
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  5. +12
    6 July 2018 07: 23
    Camping kitchens - know-how of the Russian army https://mebius777.livejournal.com/106120.html
    A very necessary and useful thing
    The remaining European armies appeared later.
    1. +11
      6 July 2018 09: 09
      And the introduction of tea in the army at the beginning of the 20th century was a great blessing.
      The rate of gastrointestinal diseases sharply decreased
  6. +9
    6 July 2018 09: 09
    Great article! Not only a wonderful description of the life of Russian soldiers and officers of the Second World War is given, but also magnificent photographs are selected. The author - my heartfelt gratitude for the work done! hi
    1. +2
      7 July 2018 16: 41
      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      Great article! Not only a wonderful description of the life of Russian soldiers and officers of the Second World War is given, but also magnificent photographs are selected.

      In addition to this excellent article, I highly recommend the book of V.P. Kravkova "The Great War without retouching. Notes corps doctor." The book is a diary of a corps medical doctor from August 1914 to August 1917 and very informatively supplements the article. True, the size is almost 600 pages and it can scare away the curious, and the content does not fit into enthusiastic crunching with a bun, but these are trifles. As B. Okudzhava noted, "Everyone writes how he hears Everyone hears how he breathes. As he breathes, he writes ...".
      1. +3
        7 July 2018 18: 16
        I recommend this book.

        An outstanding Russian and Soviet military medical specialist on dry facts shows what leap Russian medicine made during the years of WWI and how they treated and cared for the wounded. Very informative work.
  7. +5
    6 July 2018 09: 56
    When it comes to the life of soldiers and officers, I immediately recall Hasek with his Schweik. Amazing work. It seems to me that this book can be safely transferred to any country participating in the WWI, and not only to Austria-Hungary. You can find references to all the things touched on in the article presented here - and about gifts from different compassionate societies, and staged photographs, and much more.

    PS Svejk in the presentation in Ukrainian is generally masterpiece, the smile just does not slide off the face)
  8. +16
    6 July 2018 10: 09
    In general, I respect the author with respect, however, do not distort it like that. Similar pastoral pictures of the trenches of everyday life will be accepted either by those who not only were not in the trenches, but who never served in the army at all, or by all the well-known note hallelujahs, whom the sturgeon brought to the title brought to the rapture.

    And where is the description of the trench life under autumn and spring rains, when there is knee-deep mud in the trench. Or in the winter cold. Where descriptions of such charms as lice, rats, Sodoku disease, "trench foot", typhoid, stress. Where are the descriptions of what the soldiers ate when the delivery of food was difficult or impossible?
    Sanitary losses from diseases of more than two million - is this probably the sturgeon overeaten? Or was it all in another war?
    1. +7
      6 July 2018 10: 41
      however, do not distort it.

      And who distort what? The veterans themselves write about everything stated in the article. You are careful with expressions.
      And where is the description of the trench life under autumn and spring rains, when there is knee-deep mud in the trench. Or in the winter cold. Where descriptions of such charms as lice, rats, Sodoku disease, "trench foot", typhoid, stress. Where are the descriptions of what the soldiers ate when the delivery of food was difficult or impossible

      This is natural, not without it. That's the war.
      Just the emphasis is made in the article on mundane and positive points, on which the minimum attention was paid. Don't like the mention of sturgeon? What to do - if there was this))
      I will fill in the nuances of interest to you with a quote from a veteran:
      Until the front was stabilized and the opponents settled in the trenches, the roads of Poland were a terrible sight: everywhere there was visible mud, wet infantry, driven, with tails sticking together from the mud, hard-breathing convoy horses, dragged to the edge of the road, corpses of horses that had fallen from exhaustion, horses still alive, but already doomed, horses lying on the ground, in front of the faces of which a good soldier's hand laid a heap of hay.
      Camping tent for six people - in it lay in two rows, their heads to each other. Each soldier carried a cloth (one sixth of the tent), a rope for fastening the cloths, a half-stand and a prank. In the morning, all this collapsed and, along with the rest of the luggage, wrapped up on the shoulders rubbed with a load, and again on a hike - after drinking pre-hot tea with crackers.

      Naturally, when the front stabilized, then life was getting better. After all, when the troops stood for 2 years at the same positions, constructions developed, bathhouses were built, etc. etc.
      This is what we are talking about.
      And do not forget that you will not tell about everything in a brief, especially in a photo article, paying attention to the following phrase of the author:
      the life of a Russian soldier and officer, determined by the conditions of the current combat situation and representing an extremely interesting phenomenon, is a grateful topic for the subsequent detailed study.
      .
      1. +7
        6 July 2018 10: 56
        By the way, I paid attention to the photo where anti-typhoid vaccinations are made to soldiers.
      2. +8
        6 July 2018 11: 26
        Adjutant, I am extremely correct in expressions. And you can give lectures on ethics to your like-minded people - hallelujah. Themselves in which regiment served?
        1. +6
          6 July 2018 12: 02
          I don’t read anything to you, I don’t have anything else to do.
          This is you mentor tone of moralizing sometimes allow.
          And what kind of sadness is who and where did you serve? Once again, trump cards start with the past past?
          1. +7
            6 July 2018 12: 08
            No sorrow, and I never trumped the past army. Just reasoning shtafirok about army life, as for me, some oxymoron. And a person who knows the specifics of the army will not take the nickname “adjutant”.
            1. +8
              6 July 2018 12: 20
              reasoning shtafirok about army life, as for me, some oxymoron.

              What I’m talking about is trump cards by the army’s past (I don’t know whether it’s fictional or real, you won’t check it, and it’s not interesting). True, this modern experience, if there was one, has nothing to do with WWI - and here they should not be trumped. There are other shuttles))
              a person who knows the specifics of the army will not take the nickname “adjutant”.

              We will not talk about nicknames, you never know who, why and why they take them. Take a look around - which you will not see. By the way, note, as I understand it, "not shtafirki." Adjutant - this is not bad. A mass of the most worthy officers went through this position, valiantly recommending themselves - including in battle. Among the latter was B.M. Shaposhnikov, senior adjutant of the headquarters of the 14th cd. Marshal of the Soviet Union is not shtafirki for you?))
              1. +6
                6 July 2018 12: 40
                You see, for the shuttles, that the adjutant, that the adjutant of the headquarters, is all one. Meanwhile, these are two different things. Therefore, the example of Shaposhnikov is unsuccessful in every sense. There was also a regimental adjutant. Of the famous - P.P. Skoropadsky. There were also adjutant generals.
                1. +7
                  6 July 2018 12: 56
                  that the adjutant, that the headquarters adjutant is all one. Meanwhile, these are two different things.

                  And can you find out what other adjutants are there if not the headquarters (regiment, division or corps, etc.) ?? Adjutant and must be an adjutant of any headquarters. That is why the example of Shaposhnikov is successful. As well as Nikolai Petrovich Levitsky
                  In contrast, the senior adjutant of the headquarters of the 5th Army Corps was awarded the St. George's Arms by order of 05.05.1915/XNUMX/XNUMX.

                  Adjutant generals do not mix here, this is a system of retinue ranks. By the way, there were also the adjutant wings, since they were talking about retinue ranks.
                  Sorry for the fact that the nickname is not called "headquarters adjutant", but "adjutant".
                  А
                  Curious
                  By the way - what does it mean?
                  1. +5
                    6 July 2018 13: 02
                    Svyatoslav, you’ll excuse me, but you yourself are puffed up, sort out the adjutants, maybe this will move you and change your nickname, at the same time in the enemy’s languages. After all, at school did you learn foreign or study? Yes, and online dictionaries are available. I did not work out with educational program.
                    1. +7
                      6 July 2018 13: 04
                      And I figured out Victor. Why and surprised by your words.
                      Adjutant - necessarily the headquarters (regiment, division, etc.).
                      Or - in the system of retinue ranks.
                      The post, sounding like "Adjutant of His Excellency," was not provided))
                      1. +7
                        6 July 2018 13: 06
                        You stuck to my nickname, I asked about yours. Well, I’m not going to engage in educational program either.
                        Of the famous - P.P. Skoropadsky. There were also adjutant generals.

                        Everything on the heap. And why only Skoropadsky ??
                  2. +3
                    6 July 2018 13: 22
                    Do not even try to understand! I'm not trying. Legendary person!
    2. +10
      6 July 2018 10: 47
      I agree. You look at the photo selection - it's just a military-sports sanatorium, there are just not enough Markitans. The question remains open: why "our Cossacks go, go across Berlin" was released in the 45th, and not in the 15th. With such a "raspberry strawberry."
      1. +5
        6 July 2018 17: 56
        Because in the WWII, the Bolsheviks left the anti-German coalition, wanting to lose to the losers, and in WWII they decided to stay in it until the end.
    3. +7
      6 July 2018 11: 11
      Quote: Curious
      Sanitary losses from diseases of more than two million - is this probably the sturgeon overeaten? Or was it all in another war?

      For bakloukhrusty always so ....
      But the contemporaries contemplated about the realities. VO readers are not considered by this contingent. Well, their competence and ability to understand the conditions that not all horses are so beautiful are not within their competence.
      October 20, 1916 - From the report of the Head of the State Agrarian University A.A. Manikovsky to the Minister of War with the program of factory construction
      "From the consideration of these prices, it is clear that there is nowhere to go further, but meanwhile prices are rising and rising ... Only powerful state-owned factories could put a limit on this, if there were enough, and since, unfortunately, there are very few of them then they are powerless against this apparent robbery of the treasury.

      Although when comparing the procurement prices of our allies with the prices of our private industry, it turns out how much cheaper it is for military equipment in comparison with us, but it should be noted that in general industrialists - both ours and in the allied countries - have shown exorbitant appetites for profit. "
      http://istmat.info/node/26355
    4. +4
      6 July 2018 17: 54
      Quote: Curious
      Sanitary losses from diseases of more than two million - is this probably the sturgeon overeaten? Or was it all in another war?


      Nah, in the "other war" losses from illness were more than SEVEN millions.
  9. +11
    6 July 2018 10: 49
    Good, staged photos of those times that do not say anything.
  10. +8
    6 July 2018 10: 58
    An excellent article displaying pictures of front-line life.
    It’s front-line life, and not staged, as some believe.
    These sides of the WWII were hushed up, obscured. But it was both good and bad.
    And the Russian soldier fought in decent conditions - not inferior to others. ATP per article
    1. +6
      6 July 2018 11: 39
      Yes staged, staged! For, propaganda, as a genre, was born not 20-50-100 years ago, but much earlier.
      1. +6
        6 July 2018 11: 53
        No, not staged. Photo front-line life
        1. +5
          6 July 2018 12: 27
          Sorry for the tactlessness, "Which regiment did you serve?" "Twelve Chairs" (E. Ilf, I. Petrov). My general impressions of the army coincide with the same recollections of WWII veterans (they didn’t really like to remember the war): "I really want to eat and really want to sleep."
          1. +3
            6 July 2018 17: 57
            The article is not about the Second World War, and, especially, not about the army where you served
            1. +5
              7 July 2018 00: 12
              And I’m saying that the life of an ordinary soldier in combat conditions has not changed for thousands of years. That sarisaphor of the army of Alexander the Great, that dshbshnik Pskov Airborne Division now.
              "I really want to eat, and I really want to sleep"
  11. BAI
    +8
    6 July 2018 11: 29
    There were supply crises. Not a word about this.
    Russian food rations during the First World War were hearty, high-calorie, but not particularly diverse, and, unlike the enemy on the Eastern Front, did not include alcohol. For several years of the war, supply crises in the Russian army occurred only twice: in the autumn of 1914, when large-scale military operations were launched in the border regions, and in the winter of 1917, on the eve of the fall of the monarchy.

    CyberLeninka: https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/pitanie-soldata
    -v-okopah-pervoy-mirovoy-voyny

    Oh, by the way, the revolt on "Potemkin" where did it start?
    1. +6
      6 July 2018 11: 56
      You yourself wrote that
      supply crises in the Russian army occurred only twice: in the autumn of 1914, when large-scale military operations were launched in the border regions, and in the winter of 1917, on the eve of the fall of the monarchy.

      By the way, the article says:
      After the February Revolution, supply initially deteriorated sharply

      And what, the battleship "Ponoskin" (sorry, Potemkin))) is the First World War?))
      Just after the events of 1904-05. and were made respectively. conclusions - including regarding nutrition.
      1. +4
        6 July 2018 12: 00
        Quote: Albatroz
        Just after the events of 1904-05. and were made respectively. findings

        Right?
        “The initial substance for the production of trotyl — toluene — was produced in Russia by means of private industry, and moreover, in an insignificant amount, only up to 3 thousand pounds per month, which was sufficient only for the manufacture of TNT, which was required for peacetime practice (5 thousand pounds per year) and part of the formation of combat kits.

        The rest of the toluene required for the production of TNT was imported almost exclusively from Germany. "
        Are these conclusions made?
        The minutes of the interrogation of the assistant to the chief of the 2nd economic department of the GAU, Major General I.K. Yastrebov on the production of explosives
        “The military department did not establish explosive stocks, as well as raw products for them for wartime needs. Economic stocks were available before the start of the present war, but were relatively small. I have now been presented with a properly certified copy of GAU information on hand grenades and fuses ( the witness was presented with the indicated copy in the file of the High Commission No. 33 - 1915, p. 23-24), in which the mentioned reserves were indicated at the beginning of the war, namely: TNT - 8280 pounds, tetrile - 75 pounds, toluene - 17 435 pounds and dimethylaniline - 31 pounds. I confirm this information. "Http://istmat.info/node/26360
        1. +7
          6 July 2018 12: 33
          Right?

          Right After all, we talked about nutrition. Or do you eat TNT and toluene?
          1. +3
            7 July 2018 07: 52
            Quote: Albatroz
            Exactly

            If there is a mess with ammunition, then the exact mess with food, eat lentils, a month, will help you understand how the soldier of RI felt in the trench about the "care" for his health ..
            1. +4
              7 July 2018 08: 59
              I will give you a quote from the work of B. M. Shapaoshnikov about his service in the 1st Turkestan Rifle Battalion.
              Even before the REV. I emphasize.
              Good food was served for lunch: soup with meat (meat portions for each) and porridge (with meat crumbs). There were morning and evening tea. Rye bread was given on the day 3 pounds. Young soldiers were fed “off the tray” - how much they would eat. Gradually, senior soldiers did not eat 3 pounds of rye bread per day, and so, if desired, they received so-called bread money for uneaten bread. I also found issuing on holidays a cup of vodka for each soldier, for which there were special statutory cups in the company arsenal. Non-drinkers received money "

              It writes the Marshal of the Sevetsky Union
      2. BAI
        +2
        6 July 2018 14: 28
        Just after the events of 1904-05. and were made respectively. conclusions - including regarding nutrition.

        Do not worry. Another article states:
        Disruptions in the supply of the Russian army arose on all fronts throughout the war. In this regard, F. A. Stepun, as the worst enemy, along with the Germans and Austrians, calls "the complete disregard of the authorities."

        Source: https://www.bibliofond.ru/view.aspx?id=902967
        © Bibliofond

        And what conclusions were made - this is undoubtedly:
        "... the flour is musty, bitter, and lumps, in one bag there are three grades, from the ends good, in the middle of rubbish." On September 1916, Warrant Officer Bakulin recalled: “There are almost no products in commissariat, not even the necessary ones, such as cereals, salt; sugar ... The shelves had to cook food: ½ pound of meat, water and doused with flour, there was no porridge. If this goes on for a long time, countrymen will rebel... ".

        the source is the same.
  12. +11
    6 July 2018 11: 44
    Interesting article. It is instructive to read the comments of the current "Reds": until 1917 only HELL, in principle, there can be nothing good. Who does not agree - Bulk-crunch liberalokontra))
    Well, okay, better about something else:
    In the Russian army, the supply of canned meat in wartime was introduced from January 1, 1908. According to the guidelines, canned meat is intended for partial or complete replacement of fresh meat in wartime if impossible provide troops with meat.
    Foreseen two kinds canned meat "Braised beef" and "Lamb stew".
    For the production of stew can be used meat of cows or sheep only Livonian, Cherkasy, Siberian or Kyrgyz breeds.
    For the preparation of one can, stews are used (for convenience I will give in the metric system):
    * boneless meat -288 grams,
    * beef fat (mutton) - 43 grams,
    * salt -3.2 grams,
    * onion - 4.3 grams (instead of tomato stew in the same amount can be used in stewed mutton).

    Prepared in the bank should be:
    * meat in pieces without bones, fat, tendons, flake -153.6 grams,
    * melted beef (mutton) fat - 51 grams,
    * salt - 3.2 grams,
    * onions - 4.3 grams (instead of onions in stewed lamb, you can add tomato paste in the same amount),
    * meat broth - about 125 ml.
    The total weight of the contents of the jar should be 340.2 grams.

    The 1907 Ordinance states that one can of canned meat (340.2 grams) replaces the daily rate of fresh wartime meat equal to 1 pound (409.5 grams). At the same time, canned food is not given separately from the rest of the food, but is used in the preparation of first or second courses.
    (You can, by the way, compare with the standards of the Soviet army)

    There were canned meat and vegetable products - "cabbage soup with meat and porridge." A separate story is cans with self-heating (appeared at the front in 1915).
    1. +5
      6 July 2018 11: 49
      Quote: Ryazanets87
      Who does not agree - Bulk-crunch liberalokontra)

      Well, as it is, it’s all because you are sculpting an image of an empire from the Republic of Ingushetia with jelly rivers and gingerbread shores. Completely forgetting about scurvy in the trenches and cardboard soles in the boots of the soldiers. So the pictures with canned goods are good. But not this picture reality.
      https://cont.ws/@mzarezin1307/632622
      It should be noted that the contentment of troops with meat during the First World War was extremely uneven. From the beginning of the war until the fall of 1915, troops were supplied mainly from local funds. After the local resources were depleted, the troops began to experience frequent interruptions in the supply of meat, since the supply from the rear was far from sufficient. As a result, meat began to be replaced by fish; three lean days per week were introduced.

      Procurement of food and forage in the deep rear proceeded unsatisfactorily. The bodies of the Ministry of Agriculture, which carried out procurement functions, could not cope with the procurement of food for the multi-million army. At the same time, rail transport could not completely transport even food that had already been prepared.
      149} Code of military regulations of 1869, Prince. XIX, 1910, Art. 1162.

      {150} CVIA, f. 2072, d.175, l. 60.

      {151} CVIA, l. 126, p. 100–101, 114–116 and 195–198.

      {152} CVIA, d. 126, annex.

      {153} CVIA, d. 104 and 105, d. 255 and 258, appendix.

      {154} Code of military regulations of 1869, Prince. XIX, 1910, Art. 1162.

      {155} CVIA, f. 2072, d. 213, l. 512-514.

      {156} CVIA, f. 2, d. 6515, l. 22-29.

      {157} CVIA, f. 2, d. 15732, l. 94-96.

      {158} CVIA, f. 2, d. 5487, l. 21-25.

      {159} CVIA, f. 2000, d 5987, l. 27–28.

      {160} CVIA, f. 2, d. 11096, l. 20-36.

      {161} CVIA, f. 2000, d. 5987, l. 27-28.

      {162} CVIA, f. 2036, d.207, l. 6.

      {163} CVIA, f. 2036, d.207, l. 2.

      {164} CVIA, f. 2072, d.175, ll, 18–20.

      {165} CVIA, f. 2, d. 5515, l. 5-7.

      {166} CVIA, f. 2036, d. 90, l. 411-415.
      1. +11
        6 July 2018 12: 28
        I just do not "sculpt". In general, against generalizations: "you", "we". Bad thing. Everyone should be responsible for their words and deeds.
        Russia was an ordinary state, with a lot of problems and difficulties. Which, however, does not negate successes and achievements, again considering that there has simply not yet been any experience of such a war as the World War.
        If you think that I can’t throw up “food” about the food allowance of the Red Army, then it is completely in vain. Scurvy, boils, dystrophy, not infrequently poor supply (hello to the "grandmother's certificate"). And the "shell hunger" of the winter of 1941-42.
        This is a harsh reality that does not cancel out another, more favorable reality.
        So we’re either studying Russian history, or in a Budennovka on the couch we’re fighting with the “counter”.
    2. BAI
      +4
      6 July 2018 12: 02
      Well, since everything was so good, then where is it from?
      The paramount issue of front-line life is the soldiers ’diet. This is understandable, the soldier must always be full, on an empty stomach, he will not fight much. Sufficient attention is paid to the soldiers ’diet in memoirs; soldiers describe in detail their trench“ menu ”. Here is what V. Aramilev writes in his diary: “In the afternoon we have lunch and drink tea. Both are cooked in the third line. Soup and boiling water get cold. Soup in open soldiers' bowlers - one for five people - carry three “kilometers of traffic ...”. V. Aramilev mentions that a lot of earth and sand poured into the food brought in the pots from the walls of the communication passages. The soldiers had to eat food with sand, which crunched on their teeth. Because of such food, as the author recalled, many fighters suffered pains in the stomach. Ensign Bakulin is even more categorical in assessing the quality of soldier's food. In his voluminous diary, this question is touched upon more than once, obviously because it was really a "sore subject." April 1915: "The delivery of rice to parts has stopped, they explain that there will be stomach diseases from rice in the summer, they also reduced the delivery of oil or fat, they must also be afraid of stomach or some other diseases ...". Bakulin also talks about the idea of ​​the quartermasters to give out dried fish from which it was necessary to cook soup, as the author recalls, that the fish came in very small, the soup turned out to be bitter, the scales peeled badly. The author mentions that the flour, which was the constituent for the soldiers' main food - bread, was of unsatisfactory quality: "... the flour is musty, bitter and lumpy, there are three grades in one bag, it’s good in the end, in the middle of rubbish." On September 1916, Warrant Officer Bakulin recalled: “There are almost no products in commissariat, not even the necessary ones, such as cereals, salt; sugar ... Shelves had to cook food: ½ pound of meat, water and doused with flour, there was no porridge. If this continues for a long time, the fellow countrymen will rebel ... ” Also in his memoirs, Bakulin mentions that 4 officers were sent from the regiment to purchase products at the expense of regimental funds, concluding that the central supply of commissariat completely failed. Disruptions in the supply of the Russian army arose on all fronts throughout the war. In this regard, F. A. Stepun, as the worst enemy, along with the Germans and the Austrians calls "the complete disruption of the authorities." The poor work of commissariat in their memoirs is mentioned by many participants in the First World War, which allows this systemic problem. In September 1914, the military doctor L. Voitolovsky recalled the problems with the supply of troops with food and requisition in Galicia, citing the monologue of his colleague: “Hungry reserves come to a hungry village. Four hours later they will be thrown on the offensive. Should we feed them? Of course it is. For since we are at war, then we want to win, and since we want to win, the soldiers must be full. But the obstinate Galician women oppose this. ”

      Source: https://www.bibliofond.ru/view.aspx?id=902967
      © Bibliofond

      You can not ignore the fitting of boots (photo) Of course there were boots, but:
      On the pages of his memoirs, Bakulin retells the orders of his superiors that the supply of boots rests with themselves. The author recalls how “from above” they ordered to take the skin from the killed cattle, salt, tan it in order to obtain leather for sewing boots. Bakulin notes that there was no practical benefit from this order, some did not know how to completely make leather for shoes and they did not succeed. For many, however, it turned out that for some people, leather dressing, finished products did not differ in particular wear resistance and after a short use also came to a miserable state.

      Source: https://www.bibliofond.ru/view.aspx?id=902967
      © Bibliofond
      1. +14
        6 July 2018 12: 32
        "everything was so good"
        (patiently) - all is well and cannot be. There are mistakes, there are problems of an objective and subjective nature. Especially in the supply of millions of people.
        To say that everything was wonderful in the Russian army and every day the sturgeon was stupid. To say that everything was decidedly bad, there is nothing and the whole army was running naked and barefoot - stupidity of the same nature, but on the other hand.
        1. BAI
          +3
          6 July 2018 14: 12
          Absolutely right. There were good sides, there were bad ones. And in the articles - no objectivity: either everything is good or everything is bad.
  13. +7
    6 July 2018 11: 52
    Front-line - a very important element of being a soldier and officer
    And a person always strives for comfort - especially at the front, trying to smooth out stressful situations and get as close to peaceful life as possible.
    Visually and informatively.
    Thank you!
  14. +6
    6 July 2018 12: 07
    Helmet no weapon is missing, like no war at all, only 3 photos show weapons. The rear units were generally without weapons, traveling to the front without weapons, it is clear why the German then rubbed on unarmed then. And compare the photo of the Second World War.
    1. +8
      6 July 2018 12: 13
      Quote: Sasha75
      The rear units were generally without weapons, traveling to the front without weapons, it is clear why the German then rubbed on unarmed then. And compare the photo of the Second World War.

      It is for this reason that it is not regrettable for the bullcrusts as early as 1915. the question of arming one and a half million spare -... halberds was solved ... so that everything is not quite so as in the kind picture of some opusmeister ...
      1. +5
        6 July 2018 12: 39
        Read less Yulia Boria, it is harmful)))
        1. 0
          7 July 2018 07: 54
          Quote: Ryazanets87
          it is harmful

          You at least read the brewer’s yurku with her acquaintances. This is not only harmful, but pathologically infectious.
      2. +3
        6 July 2018 18: 00
        And how, armed?
    2. +8
      6 July 2018 12: 36

      There is no helmet, no weapon, just like not in war.
      Master the rules of punctuation first.
  15. +3
    6 July 2018 12: 45
    Century cuisine
    Pokhlebkin William Vasilievich
    Chapter 3. Food in the Russian army. 1905-1908
    The riot on the battleship "Prince Potemkin of Tauride" arose because of rotten corned beef. Poor, poor quality food was a cause of discontent in other army units. This was a clear, obvious, fixed fact. And the tsarist military department no longer argued with him. On the contrary, recognizing this fact, it saw the possibility of a relatively easy and painless elimination of the revolutionary crisis. After all, then we would no longer be talking about radical changes in the structure of the Empire. It was enough to feed the soldier well, find a way to his heart through his stomach, and all socio-political problems could be resolved. However, even this “simple” decision proved difficult to enforce. For food in the Russian army has historically been associated with archaic social relations in the country, with the confusion, fuzziness, multistructure of its military organization, with the terrifying corruption of military officials and especially the commissaries, who were in charge of supplying the army and are closely related to the supply of food by merchant tycoons.
    Thus, the simple question of “food” could not be resolved in a “simple way” - a purely culinary one.
    And thus the “superficial argument” of the emergence of revolutionary moods turned out to be in fact “deep”.
    ... However, the enormous size of the army and the rearmament of the 1891 rifles and machine guns associated with its reorganization, which was never completed by the beginning of the XNUMXth century, put commandant and supply issues in the background, although the need for their solution was obvious in the troops themselves .
    The fact is that the whole archaic, patriarchal system of food supply for the army came into conflict with the mass of the army, could not solve the problems of organizing the catering of a huge mass of people. It was not just about the enormous scale of food, but about organizing the accelerated preparation and nutrition of large masses of people, which was especially difficult during the war.
    For Russia, with its disorganization and passive resistance of both the lower and upper classes to all innovations, this reorganization of food in the army was an almost impossible task. Russia turned out to be not only unprepared for these innovations, but simply not adapted. It was necessary to change the habits and customs that have developed over the centuries, to shake the most conservative foundations - culinary.
    Officer Nutrition
    In the beginning, a seemingly very small, even, one might say, seemingly ridiculous problem arose, if you look at it from the perspective of today, with our eyes at the end of the XNUMXth century, and not at its beginning. This is a nutrition problem for officers.
    Although the new charter on universal military service was introduced from 1874, but practically until the end of the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-1878, this last for the Russian army of the 1900th century war, nothing changed in army life. There was the usual Russian buildup: orders adopted on paper and at headquarters did not reach small units and garrisons, they were not affected. And yet, by the beginning of the XNUMXth century. over a quarter of a century, eight new appeals passed, and by XNUMX the old army, its composition, its people had changed a lot.
    It was then that it turned out that everywhere in almost all the soldier "posts" there were no previous old-timers who had spent their whole lives in the army, but there were only newcomers who had joined the army temporarily. This circumstance ... affected the well-being of the officers.
    How so? And here's how: in the tsarist army, any officer must have had a batman, a free servant, a footman, like a yard man of a nobleman-landowner. With the only difference that they fed, it was not the officers themselves who kept this servant, but the state, the army, since the batman was a soldier. This system was very convenient for officers. Batman actually served not only the officer personally, but his entire family, and performed not his military duties, but his lackeys and business duties. Sometimes senior officers also had two or three orderlies masked and hidden in the statements under different names: one orderly, one messenger, one orderly. For the army they were "empty souls", "empty place." In peacetime, the officers actually pulled the army apart, corrupted the lackeys and corruption, made it incapable of fighting, since almost a quarter, or even a third of its composition did not actually undergo combat training, being in convoys, in orderlies, as part of different economic teams etc.

    And so on .. And you about the sturgeon from the jar ...
    Here is how General A. A. Ignatiev (A. A. Ignatiev. Ibid.) Describes the use and sale of welding money in the guard as early as 1902-1903, on the eve of the Russo-Japanese war.
    “Accepting the squadron, I immediately learned in the chancellery that I had to buy all people's allowances (150 hours) myself with“ welding ”money. "Cabbage soup and porridge is our food," read the old military proverb. Indeed, in the tsarist army lunch from these two dishes was prepared exemplary everywhere.
    I didn’t like one thing: cabbage soup slurped on wooden spoons from one cup for six people. But my project to make individual plates failed, as the platoon persisted in the opinion that porridge in general cups is hotter and tastier.
    The worst situation was with dinner, for which only cereals and lard were dispensed according to the state layout. The so-called gruel was prepared from them, to which most of the soldiers in the cavalry guard regiment did not even touch. True, they ate it from starvation in the Uhlansky regiment, but whoever could, preferred to buy tea for a sitcom for their money.
    Once I complained about the poverty of our layout for dinner to the old captain from the neighboring equestrian grenadier regiment. And then he revealed his secret to me:
    Leave some meat for dinner, and if you can save on the price of hay, buy five extra pounds from fodder, put a baking sheet - and fry chopped meat with onions on it; boil the gruel separately, and then pour the fried meat into it.
    So I did. Soon, to the envy of other squadrons, the 3rd Lancers began to receive a delicious dinner. ”
    1. +8
      6 July 2018 13: 00
      Century cuisine
      Pokhlebkin William Vasilievich
      Chapter 3. Food in the Russian army. 1905-1908


      A. A. Ignatiev (A. A. Ignatiev. Ibid.) The use and sale of welding money in the guard as early as 1902-1903


      And what does this have to do with 1914-1917 ???
      Are you talking about sturgeon from a jar
      But if there was such a thing, what to do?
      1. +2
        6 July 2018 14: 28
        A. A. Ignatiev (A. A. Ignatiev. Ibid.) The use and sale of welding money in the guard as early as 1902-1903
        And what does this have to do with 1914-1917 ???

        Read the book! Maybe you will understand ...
        1. +7
          6 July 2018 16: 13
          I read 50 years in the ranks a million times.
          And you bring here 1902-03 - not related to FDA.
          He pointed to this fact. You probably did not understand ...
    2. +9
      6 July 2018 14: 43
      "in the tsarist army, any officer must have had a batman, a free servant, a footman, like a yard man of a nobleman-landowner."
      In the Red Army:
      Directive of the Bet on ordinates No. 994235 of April 9, 1942:
      “In order to unload the command staff and provide it with more opportunities to use all available time to manage its units and units, the Supreme Command ordered:
      1. For personal household needs and the performance of official orders of the command staff, to introduce orderlies in the active armies due to the number of members from among the rank and file that correspond to this appointment, and, as a rule, are limited to military service.
      2. Ordinators enter: a) for commanders of rifle divisions and units from platoon commander to division commander inclusive... ". {4.1, l.129}
      At the end of the war, corrected:
      No. 317. Order on the introduction of full-time orderlies for generals and officers of the Red Army
      No. 0154 August 27, 1945
      1. In order to unload generals and officers from personal economic affairs and giving them a greater opportunity to improve their general and military training, I order:
      Introduce full-time orderlies to carry out personal chores for all generals and colonels who hold positions in the formations, headquarters and institutions of the Red Army, including for generals and colonels who are in reserve and in military schools.
      ...
      4. To grant the right to receive money to generals, colonels and other officers who are assigned ordinaries but who wish to replace them with the contents of civil servants.
      In these cases, pay 300 (three hundred) rubles per month for the maintenance of civilian servants.

      About the use of soldiers in household works (for example, in vegetable gardens and personal plots), there is nothing to say. And the wild number of non-combatants in the SA has become simply a byword (like a service at a pig farm). So that...
      1. +1
        6 July 2018 14: 58
        So ...

        The heavy legacy of the tsarist regime ... Until now, it has not been possible to get rid of it ...
        And did the tsarist army have their own subsidiary farms supplying products for the army table?
        1. +6
          6 July 2018 16: 27
          It seems that it will not work out. For example, personal drivers - the general (100 times responsible and decent) simply has no time to do this. The same thing with food - well, he will live a month on sandwiches, then he will go down to the hospital with an ulcer.
          At the same time, the spread of non-buildup is very harmful. A double edged sword.
          In the Russian army, "management" was very developed and quite a long time ago.
          Here I will quote L.N. Tolstoy (to revive the conversation, and idealization of reality is difficult to reproach him))):

          ".... - And they said, the company man climbed into the drawer again. Lost it, you see," said one of the soldiers in a lazy voice.
          “He will,” said Panov.
          “It is well known that the officer is good,” Avdeev confirmed.
          “Good, good,” continued the conversation, grimly, “but on my advice, [/ b] need a company to talk to him: if he took, so say how much when you give.
          “How the company will judge,” said Panov, looking up from the pipe.
          “Well-known business, the world is a big man,” Avdeev confirmed.
          - You have to, you see, oats to buy yes to celebrate the spring boots, money is needed, and how he took them ... - insisted the displeased.
          “I say how the company wants it,” repeated Panov. - Not for the first time: take it and give it back.
          In those days in the Caucasus, each company was in charge herself through her electives to the whole household. She received money from the treasury at six rubles fifty kopecks per person and she food herself: she planted cabbage, mowed hay, kept her wagons, flaunted her full mouth horses. The company money was in the box, the company commander had the keys to, and it often happened that the company commander borrowed from the company box. So it was now, and the soldiers spoke about this. "
          Such is the "military democracy." The matter, by the way, takes place in the early 1850s, and soldiers quite routinely speak about making claims to the officer.
          1. +2
            6 July 2018 16: 46
            In the times described by Lev Nikolayevich, there was NO universal military service (1874)!
            With the growth of the army, especially during the WWII, it became very difficult to maintain it using the achievements of the 19th century!
            With the mass “shaving” of peasants, soldiers lost their productivity in agriculture, but could not make up for it at the expense of Central Asia - a riot in 1916 after a decree on mobilizing the male population of Central Asia and Kazakhstan aged 19 to 43 years “for defensive work structures and military communications in the area of ​​the army, "according to which on so-called. “Rear works” were called from 250 thousand people from Turkestan Territory, 230 thousand people from the Steppe Territory! Purchases abroad only devastated the treasury!
            1. +3
              6 July 2018 18: 56
              Developments can be applied, the question is scaling and adaptation to current reality. Here is an interesting document for you:
              ORDER OF NPO USSR ABOUT FURTHER DEVELOPMENT AND ORGANIZATIONAL AND ECONOMIC STRENGTHENING OF AUXILIARIES, VEGETABLE VEHICLES AND MACHINE-TERM-STORAGE STATIONS IN THE RED ARMY No. 183
              1. General Directorate of Food Supply of the Red Army accept the established plan spring sowing in 1943 for subsidiary farms, vegetable farms and machine-mowing stations of the Red Army in the amount of 160 thousand ha, including: potato - 60 thousand ha, vegetables - 25 thousand ha, melon - 2 thousand ha, grain , cereals and legumes - 60 thousand ha; greenhouse bookmark plan in the amount of 272 thousand frames; plan for sowing vegetables on insulated beds 21,5 thousand m2; mowing plan on an area of ​​282 thousand ha; a plan for the collection of mushrooms in the amount of 1 thousand tons, fruits and berries - 300 tons and fish catch - 6 thousand tons ...
              1. +2
                6 July 2018 22: 30
                That is the whole point - under the tsar-emperors, military units and subunits provided themselves from their own, we called "subsidiary" farms!
                In your order, we are talking about the centralized management of the authorities and the army itself in terms of growing, collecting and storing food for the army!
                In tsarist times, no such orders were issued!
                And I did not hear about the subsidiary farms (especially SOKHOZH) related to the conduct of the Russian Imperial Army!
                If I am mistaken - indicate the information and the source!
                1. +2
                  9 July 2018 12: 11
                  You can take a set of military decrees of 1869, it regulated the cultivation of gardens: "... allowed for the guards and local teams that benefit from a permanent apartment location. In the remaining troops, the maintenance of gardens was allowed at the discretion of the commanders of the districts in the following districts: Omsk, Irkutsk, "Caucasus, Turkestan and Amur, as well as in the areas of Kazan, which were part of the former Orenburg." You can still order the management of the company (Order on military department 1889 No. 225), battery management ("Regulation on the management of the economy in the artillery battery").
                  But you are completely right that there were no state farms in the imperial army and there was no such centralization either.
                  The main economic unit of the Russian army is a company (with an elected artisan), everything was regulated at this level, up to, for example, repairing kitchens or buying sledges and boilers. It’s a real business society - they were engaged in everything, down to hunting, fishing and crafts.
                  In Soviet times, this model, even ideologically, was not very acceptable. And a centralized system appeared, right up to the creation of collective farm buildings.
                  1. 0
                    9 July 2018 16: 05
                    The main economic unit of the Russian army is a company (with an elected artisan), everything was regulated at this level, up to, for example, repairing kitchens or buying sledges and boilers. It’s a real business society - they were engaged in everything, down to hunting, fishing and crafts.

                    Thanks for the info! But the cooperatives of fishermen, mushroom pickers and other procurers had to be created already during World War II in the troops stationed in the Far East!
                    Valentin Gayeva, then a lieutenant of the Soviet army, recalled the formation of a new infantry brigade near the village of Hanko, Primorsky Territory in 1942: “They issued very long rifles with a bayonet. And these were old Mosin rifles of the 1891 model, on the butts of many of them the imperial monogram was knocked out ... The third rear norm. It was supposed to be 650 grams of bread per day, but so many have never been given. You always feel hungry. Fortunately, we stood in the hills, so we managed to get extra rations, hunted birds, although most of the goats were shot. So it was possible to survive ... The mood was fighting. All soldiers and commanders asked for the front. We carefully prepared the soldiers, conducted a lot of training on tactics, the soldiers often shot at targets. In addition, night marches were organized, march-throws were carried out daily in full calculation ... ”
          2. 0
            6 July 2018 17: 00
            Yes, I think in Shilovichi about a company. This is how the command decides. My job is to familiarize yourself with the situation, look at the area and report back.
            - Rota - it is possible. And no longer accommodate, - said Vasyukov with concern. “So you will report - no more companies are allowed.” After all, they must be used. I myself served for three years, I was the unit commander, I understand. The soldier gets in battle, and at a standstill conditions are needed. And where to get them? He sighed.
            - With water, how are you?
            - Water that - it will be enough for everyone. And there is plenty of firewood. And here with housing kepsko. Floors are more and more earthen, cold.
        2. +2
          6 July 2018 20: 42
          Not in the same form as in the SA, but they were.
          1) Often fathers-commanders, especially family ones, had their own farm.
          2) The soldier was released on freestyle work, for an extra job.
          3) Well, they themselves fussed about the household. Which of the officers of the General Staff wrote that in peacetime, the regimental commander who invented a new method of drying crackers with savings for the treasury, could be awarded quite seriously. (Sclerosis suggests that the colonel received Anna, but I can mix it up)
  16. +9
    6 July 2018 13: 25
    Very informative and tasty article.
  17. +3
    6 July 2018 13: 34
    Adjutant,
    Then you figured out the theory. Practice is not familiar to you. Hence the surprise.
    "And why only Skoropadsky" And he, as a Ukrainian, is interesting to me.
    For you - curious (English) - when choosing another nickname, I chose it in the meaning of "curious, inquisitive".
    1. BAI
      +3
      6 July 2018 14: 21
      when choosing another nickname, chose it in the meaning

      In vain did you start a decryption. The word is far from unambiguous, I would say too ambiguous.
    2. +8
      6 July 2018 16: 07
      Theory in those days corresponded to practice. Adjutant is a synonym for an adjutant of some headquarters.
      About the decryption of the nickname - thanks)
      1. BAI
        +3
        6 July 2018 16: 27
        Adjutant is a synonym for an adjutant of some headquarters.

        Nothing fits your definition:
        adjutant
        (Latin adjutans (adjutantis) helping)
        1) an officer who is under the chief for various assignments;
        2) in the Russian army - the position of officer, head of office management at headquarters and offices;
        3) the court rank in the retinue of the monarch; General a.
        1. +5
          6 July 2018 17: 11
          Here it is
          adjutant
          (Latin adjutans (adjutantis) helping)
          1) an officer who is under the chief for various assignments;
          2) in the Russian army - the position of officer, head of office management at headquarters and offices;
          3) the court rank in the retinue of the monarch; General a.

          theory from the explanatory dictionary.
          But in practice in the Russian army in WWI:
          A) Adjutant - officer of the headquarters of the corresponding level (adjutant of the headquarters of the regiment, headquarters of the division, headquarters of the corps). Most of these are among the adjutants - that's why I wrote that
          Adjutant - a synonym for the Adjutant of some headquarters

          or
          B) The retinue rank of an officer or general (wing-adjutant, general-adjutant) - there were few of them, the sphere was quite closed.
  18. +2
    6 July 2018 14: 38
    I am sure that the author has a reference to "every sneeze," but he got such an idyllic picture that he involuntarily asked, and with what fright did the revolution happen? If the author wrote that the soldiers were fed with stale crackers, and even then not every day, most would understand. And so it is not clear.
    And the author also has a picture: “a camping bakery for baking white bread” and a box with a red cross is depicted. Why?
    1. +7
      6 July 2018 16: 37
      Dear Svyatoslav! Are you sure about the fact that
      that the author has a link to "every sneeze"
      All the more in vain you doubt about
      the author has a snapshot: "a camp bakery for baking white bread" and a box with a red cross. Why?

      Here is the original from the publication in my library, you can see.

      It is written that this is a bakery, and it is clear that this is a bakery, and not just a box. Cross? I can not say. Perhaps earlier this bakery was under the jurisdiction of the Red Cross, and only then fell into the army.
      If the author wrote that the soldiers were fed dry breadcrumbs, and then not every day, most would be understandable. And so it is not clear.

      I did not set out to consider in full the questions of feeding, etc. - wanting to focus on the positive aspects of front-line life. Not only feeding, but also medical care (do many people know that they instilled soldiers at the front?), Various crafts, etc.
      On positive points. Chernukhi, as you can see from most of the comments, and so pours plenty.
      Yes, it was good, it was bad. Later events led to the fact that the good was largely hushed up, and the bad was bulging. But there was more good - as evidenced by the memories of the mass of soldiers and officers of the Russian army. And they fed well, and learned to read and write (even at the front), and steamed in baths, and watched movies. Naturally, from the phenomena inherent in the war - blood, cold, dirt, communication interruptions - not going anywhere, and it was.
      The album Pictures of War (most of the photos in the article are from it) was published at the end of 1916 - the beginning of 1917. - that is, it refers to the epoch of positional warfare, when over the long months the troops could fully settle in their positions and try to establish a life as comfortable as possible (of course if possible) for both soldiers and officers.
      hi
      1. +1
        7 July 2018 05: 26
        It is interesting that Denikin, referring to the “historical process that ended with the February Revolution,” writes that “a strong, with a huge historical forgiveness, the 10 millionth army” “decomposed within 3-4 months. . And how then could it be? If everything was so good.
        Literacy ---- Yes, indeed. Thus, my great-grandfather, having returned with frostbite legs from 1MV to his village in Abakumovo, Tula Region, turned out to be very competent and able to conduct calculations and measurements. For which, under the Soviet Government, he was in a respected position for measuring land, counting crops, and in general everything that was on the farm.
        1. +6
          7 July 2018 09: 12
          Dear Dmitry!
          Everything was certainly not good. There were big problems, as in any era.
          About the decomposition of the army.
          If you cancel the discipline, enter the committees, rallies, the election of the command personnel - so any army will decompose.
          Our way decayed half a year, and still advancing.
          A German autumn 1918 year was enough for a month. Also - committees, murders of officers, desertion, etc.
          If the authorities in 1917 were deliberately destroying the army, what can you oppose to this? All these political parties that came to power in the period from February to October 1917 perfectly remembered the role of the army during the 1905 revolution - and wanted to, if not subordinate to their influence, defeat them, destroying as an organized force capable of influencing internal political events.
          Yes, they just forgot that the war in the yard - and the thirst for power turned out to be more important than state interest. Splash out along with the water and the baby.
          1. +3
            7 July 2018 09: 57
            Many thanks for the answer, dear Alexey Vladimirovich! I'm just starting to read Denikin, and so far he has written only about the 3-year-old Army fatigue. In other reviews, I once read that the Army was suppressed by the new means of warfare that you mentioned earlier. I do not know how this corresponds .....
            But Denikin and the military clergy did not speak very ...
            But the Bolsheviks then didn’t join the Army. In the 16th year, desertion of soldiers began for the sake of participating in the redistribution of land in the communities. I don’t know if Denikin mentions this: “the God-bearer people ..... gradually lost their appearance, falling under the power of uterine, material interests, in which he himself learned, whether he was taught to see the only purpose and meaning of life .... "Somehow, perhaps Denikin did not understand the soldiers’ worries about their families ???? that due to their absence, during the redistribution --- the family will receive much less land ..... And life in the village was so difficult that the missing soldiers and inheritance were not received in fact, contrary to the law, due to their absence and inability to inherit .
      2. +6
        7 July 2018 09: 31
        Quote: OAV09081974
        Yes, it was good, it was bad. Later events led to the fact that the good was largely hushed up, and the bad was bulging. But there was more good - as evidenced by the memories of the mass of soldiers and officers of the Russian army. And they fed well, and learned to read and write (even at the front), and steamed in baths, and watched movies. Naturally, from the phenomena inherent in the war - blood, cold, dirt, communication interruptions - not going anywhere, and it was.

        Absolutely correct approach to any described events and it is present in almost all your articles
        And this article too- informative, objective, complete, informative.
        Believe me, it is precisely such that the society NEEDS to know itself through its true history.
        Thank you and we are waiting and waiting for new articles! hi.
        .
        PS. And on the bile petty old lady funny nitpicking and attention should not be paid. Yes
        1. +2
          7 July 2018 11: 49
          Alexey Vladimirovich’s articles are interesting to me and I read them on another resource sometimes. The topic of the 1MB is very important and I am pleased that there is the Russian Association of Historians of 1MV. Komments of Olgovich ----- sometimes “petty old lady curious nit-picking” in relation to the USSR, sometimes deceit, sometimes suppressing facts uncomfortable to him. How many times are the charges against Soviet people about the churches, moreover, some common words. But Denikin in the first chapter, after only 1-2 pages cites the fact of abuse of the camp church, both the officer and others. This is the first week of the February revolution. Something no one of the defenders of the Bulk Khrusts did not mention this, although it is known that "Essays on the Russian Troubles" was read by many of those present.
          1. +1
            8 July 2018 10: 30
            Quote: Reptiloid
            . Olgovich’s comments ----- sometimes "petty old lady's curious nit-picking" in relation to the USSR, sometimes a deceit, sometimes suppressing facts uncomfortable to him.

            Develop at least ONE SPECIFIC deception or silence: enough is empty chatter!
            Let’s specifically! Otherwise, you have:
            Quote: Reptiloid
            petty old lady curious nitpicking
            1. +1
              9 July 2018 09: 50
              And I gave examples. It’s just that you, Olgovich, using the same training manual, are repeating myself, but I’m not going to tell you about the same thing 10 times, because your goal is to distract and blabber. Question ----- like in yesterday's article, did you hint at your kinship? .... Or what I did not understand?
              1. 0
                9 July 2018 09: 53
                Quote: Reptiloid
                And I gave examples. It's just that you, Olgovich, using the same training manual, repeat

                Simply Dmitri, Olgovich is simply brazenly lying. Tales of stories from the other world about the supposedly brilliant empire, but the realities are very different.
                "The commander of the troops of the Kazan military district by telegram of February 5

                1915 announced the requisition within the Samara province of shoe products suitable for sewing soldiers' boots. Violators were threatened with imprisonment of three months or a fine of up to 3 thousand rubles. [88] Since there was not enough leather, in April there was an order to requisition tarpaulin, “suitable for boots according to the description of sewing them in accordance with the rules of the highest decree on December 15, 8 established on March 1914 of this year” [89] However, an inspection of the factory was carried out in early September mechanical shoes in Samara showed that the factory is capable of producing up to 500 pairs of boots daily, and with expansion - up to 1 thousand pairs, “but there are no materials to achieve this” [90].

                The shortage of raw materials has become a common imperial factor in the braking of shoe production. “Breeders point out that the production of finished goods could be significantly increased, especially since factories now no longer need tanning materials, but the lack of leather raw materials currently serves as an obstacle” [91]. Not only the rural, but also the urban population began to change shoes in bast shoes. In the periodical press it was reported that in the cities “bast shoes have already begun to become fashionable and vaccinated among citizens” [92], that “ladies from a wealthy circle began to send orders from the wealthy circle to the bast shoes for entire families” [93]. "Fashion for bast shoes" spread to the army, for which 3,5 million pairs of bast shoes were procured during the war years [94]. "
                http://istmat.info/node/54234
                1. +1
                  9 July 2018 10: 34
                  Here it turns out that, Nikolai! I saw both the photo and the old documentary tapes and did not understand! About bast shoes! I thought what a problem, a setup!
                  But what do you think about kinship? Disease? In the comments yesterday? A theater of the absurd!
                  1. 0
                    9 July 2018 11: 02
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    But what do you think about kinship? Disease?

                    No other than the second ... moral, everything happens in the theater of the absurd. Then, as a comment of one of the admirers of the dubious talents of Olgovich, he read it out, he’s an imperial .. hmm ... some dubious imperial, if he doesn’t understand, but also directly spoils all the same (in terms of territory, world influence. significantly more than RI-USSR) of Russia and ... that neither sound, nor reproach, nor the slightest criticism of the present is important, but with rapture, with just the same unhealthy enthusiasm pouring dirt on the recent past, so this “lawyer” had to recall the words of two talented people. On the account of what anti-Sovietism is in general and where it leads in its obscene Russophobia.
                    1. +1
                      9 July 2018 13: 03
                      Quote: The Swordsman
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      But what do you think about kinship? Disease?

                      No other than the second ... moral, everything happens in the theater of the absurd. Then, as a comment on one of the admirers of dubious talents of olgovich, he read it, he is an imperial .. hmm ... dubious ......
                      Yes, I remember this comment ---- W !!!! And I remember your answer. Regarding such fantasies, one clever comrade wrote a wonderful comment --- Squirrel! Arctic fox!
  19. +3
    6 July 2018 14: 46
    Due to the lack of a special food authority, the Ministry of Agriculture was responsible for supplying the front with food, the head of which in August 1915 headed the Special Meeting (OSOpp) on food. With regard to the supply of meat to the troops, in February 1915, "To mitigate the meat crisis in the Army, the Council of Ministers adopted the following decisions: 1) To increase the procurement of cattle in the areas closest to the theater of war ... 2) Strive to replace beef with pork and lamb ... 3) Reduce the supply of meat The existing 1,5-pound meat supply at the front does not correspond at all to the usual diet of the vast majority of the country's population and is somewhat exaggerated ... 4) Develop corned beef, which is a common source of nutrition and easier 5) Expand the production of canned meat ... 6) Given the possibility of a shortage of meat, despite all measures to strengthen its harvest, use salted, dried and dried fish, as well as some other products, for food "eggs, which, due to the lack of export abroad, may be harvested in large quantities"
    The evolution of meat soldering shows a gradual decrease. An order on the armies of the Northwestern Front of October 7, 1914 established rations of 3/4 pounds of meat and 1/4 pounds of corned beef. In March 1915, when the Stavka beckoned for victory in the Carpathians, a pound of meat on the Southwestern Front. Order of May 17, 1915 on the North-Western Front: 1/2 pound of meat, 1/4 pound of corned beef, and also "the cost of 1/4 pound of meat to pay for improving the food of the lower ranks, purchasing those products that it will be possible to purchase in places". This is already below the norm of peacetime. In January 1916, an improvement was seen: ... 3/4 pounds of meat (307 g) for the military district and 1/2 pounds (204 g) for the rear region. From April 7, 1916 until the end of the war, rations were 1/2 pound of meat, "and it was allowed to count fish and meat waste as meat."
    ... Saved, first of all, at the front, where the distribution of meat was centralized in the form of rations. For example, at the end of July 1916 on the Western Front "in order to preserve the stock of live cattle, the Commander-in-Chief of the front ordered to cook food 2 times a week from canned food and 1 time per week - from fish. When laying canned food in the boiler, take one serving of canned food for a pound of meat, that is, put 1 serving for two people. "8 Savings per serving - 35 g of meat (rations of 410 g - the weight of canned food of 375 g), and for 1,5 million people - 52,5 tons per day. The average weight of livestock in military herds is 15 pounds (240 kg). In total, the daily savings amounted to 220 cows - a ration of approximately 4 infantry divisions.
    In the same 1915, in order to preserve domestic cattle breeding from exhaustion, on the basis of a decision of the Council of Ministers, organized several Special Expeditions to the outskirts of the empire and the neutral countries of the East. Siberia, Turkestan, Semirechye, Persia, Mongolia, Manchuria and even Australia joined in the supply of the warring empire. The largest of them was the Special Expedition of the scientist, Colonel P.K. Kozlov for the purchase of livestock in Mongolia and some parts of Siberia. This event was conceived to replenish the meat stock of the army with Mongolian cattle and, thus, to save domestic cattle breeding from threatened depletion, in connection with the sharply increased needs of the army. Even before that, the expedition of Colonel Kartsov bought 90 thousand livestock in Mongolia. From July 1915 to January 1, 1916, the expedition prepared up to 600 thousand pounds of beef and mutton; in 1916 - over 1 million pounds. But this figure was only 1/19 of the country's total demand for meat in 1917, which was supposed to receive up to 4 million pounds of meat from Asia.
    However, at the end of 1916, the Ministry of Railways declared the impossibility of "systematic passing from Siberia not a single wagon with cattle or meat", although the need for troops in fats was satisfied mainly by Siberian oil and fat. AtThe reduced carrying capacity of the Siberian line forced us to turn to a partial replacement at the front of animal fats for the supply of vegetable oils. In addition, at the beginning of 1917, the military authorities outlined measures for the dissemination of an experimental cottage for fish oil, which is cleared by a foreign method.
    Thus, in 1916, a decrease in rations and the introduction of fasting days reduced the need for meat in the Armed Forces and established a relatively prosperous allowance for troops. The daily army demand for meat in 1914 was 187,5 thousand pounds (3073,7 tons) or 17 thousand heads of cattle. In 1915 - 150 thousand pounds (2459 tons) or 14 thousand heads. In 1916 - 120 thousand pounds (1967 tons) or 10 heads. In 900, 1917 thousand pounds, or 112,5 heads, 10. The number of livestock delivered to the front was constantly decreasing. But if the army increased in quantity, then the meat ration for the soldiers decreased, hence the overall decrease in consumption figures.

    All was good...
  20. +8
    6 July 2018 14: 49
    It is funny, of course, that many perceive the book of the banal thief and opportunist Ignatiev as the main and almost the only source of information about the Russian army.
    1. +2
      6 July 2018 15: 39
      A letter from a soldier of the 173rd regiment in February 1916: "We sit without bread for four days and without a serving, because our Russia does not have enough bread and meat, too, and so they all began to surrender greatly."

      Letters from the war of 1914-1917 / compilation, commentary and introductory article by A.B. Astashova and P.A. Simmons. - M., 2015 .-- 794 p.
  21. +1
    6 July 2018 15: 09
    Quote: The Swordsman
    Quote: Sasha75
    The rear units were generally without weapons, traveling to the front without weapons, it is clear why the German then rubbed on unarmed then. And compare the photo of the Second World War.

    It is for this reason that it is not regrettable for the bullcrusts as early as 1915. the question of arming one and a half million spare -... halberds was solved ... so that everything is not quite so as in the kind picture of some opusmeister ...

    In Fedorov’s book: “In Search of Arms” I didn’t see anything like this, but the fact that the detachment of the one-time militia lacked rifles is a fact. Even in the movie “Izhora Battalion” there is such an episode: an old worker asks a young man, “ the rifle was enough for you, "and he says that he gave:" Canadian enlightenment, "that is, the training that was left with the PMV. In 1941, in the battles near Krasnodar, detachments were formed from yesterday’s 1942-9 classics, they were given 10 rifles and 3 grenades for 2 people .. There were publications about this in newspapers in the late 5s and early 90s. There were a lot of photos on the site where the rifle fighters: Lebel, Arisaki.
    Actually, if you look at the story: in our army in the initial period of the war, there is ALWAYS not enough weapons stockpiled from peacetime
    1. +5
      6 July 2018 15: 36
      The weapons were full and all these were fairy tales and were armed to the fullest that 1941- that 1944 was what I saw from the raised fighters. 1941 rifles with all cartridges full of two f-1 two rgd -33 is Vyazma Yartsevo. 1944 almost all PPSh RGD-42 cartridges are also full. They really came to Vyazma for a long time in the 90s section, there all old rifles were weapons from 1905-15, Polish grenades also thought that they had been raked out of the last bins, but it turned out they were fines only a few years ago, they knew from the archives they sent the village to beat off in the winter. The shells of 1937 bombs in the 80s were shot at firing ranges.
      1. +3
        6 July 2018 18: 01
        ah, well, since the fines - it’s not a pity
    2. +3
      6 July 2018 16: 26
      Rifles "Arisaka" and "Ross" were distributed among the divisions of LANO (Leningrad militia)! These rifles in WWI in decent quantities were in service with the Northwest Front! The militia created in Moscow under the patronage of the NKVD was armed exclusively with Mauser rifles and machine guns of Polish manufacture with the same caliber and cartridge of 7,92! For the rest of the battalions and units of various kinds of militias, everything else was chosen! Lebel, Manliher and other Carcano ...
      If you look at the frames of the parade on November 7, 1941, you will see everything that the participants in the parade were armed with, one of which was - Fighter motorized rifle Moscow regiment of the Office of the NKVD of Moscow and the Moscow region.!
      1. +1
        8 July 2018 06: 31
        [quote = hohol95] Arisaka and Ross rifles were distributed among LANO divisions (Leningrad militia) [/ quote] Yelena Prudnikova, speaking of the militia, calls them well-trained, as these were city dwellers, the proletariat who had undergone initial military training at the surrender of the TRP, to DOSAAF, the militia was provided to everyone.
        1. +1
          8 July 2018 09: 27
          On June 27, 1941, on the initiative of the Leningrad regional committee and city committee of the CPSU (b), the formation of the Leningrad People's Militia Army (LANO) began in the city. On June 30, the army headquarters was created and the formation of the first three divisions began, which in early July departed for the front. By July 19, they formed the 4th division, then four guards (called guards because the best workers of Leningrad from among those booked by the national economy were sent to staff them) and in September the 6th and 7th divisions of LANO. Thus, a total of 10 divisions of the militia were formed, as well as more than 20 different battalions and regiments with a total number of 160 thousand people.

          Judging by the photographs of the initially militiamen sent to the front, they were dressed in army uniforms (working patrols wore quilted jackets or other civilian clothes)! But by winter, apparently, his supplies were depleted and in the photographs there are columns of militias with rifles on his shoulder, but in civilian coats and headdresses!
          1. 0
            8 July 2018 09: 33
            Likely last year there was an article by Roman Skomorokhov about militias +++++ and comments ++++++ !!!!!!!!!
    3. +2
      6 July 2018 22: 38
      A completely depressing picture was described by General N.N. Golovin:
      “It is difficult to verbally convey the drama of the situation in which the Russian army found itself in the 1915 campaign. Only a part of the soldiers at the front were armed, while the rest were waiting for the death of their comrade, in turn to pick up a rifle. The higher headquarters were sophisticated in inventions, sometimes very unsuccessful, if only to somehow get out of the catastrophe. So, for example, when I was my quartermaster general of the 9th Army, I remember a telegram received in August 1915 from the headquarters of the Southwestern Front about arming a part of infantry companies with axes mounted on long arms; it was assumed that these companies could be used as cover for artillery. The fantastic nature of this order, given from the deep rear, was so obvious that my commander, General Lechitsky, a deep connoisseur of the soldier, forbade the further passage of this order, believing that it would only undermine the authority of the authorities. I cite this almost anecdotal attempt to introduce "halberds" only to characterize the atmosphere of almost despair in which the Russian army was in the 1915 campaign. "
    4. +2
      7 July 2018 07: 59
      Quote: Royalist
      This was published in newspapers in the late 90s and early XNUMXs.

      You still get mezzanine Flames from the mezzanines for those years that you don’t read any nonsense there. Just for God's sake, don’t drag this bulky-crunchy dem with libernachinka here.
  22. +2
    6 July 2018 15: 26
    Interesting fact: During the war, problems with bread began in the Russian army, since it was practically impossible to kiln a soldier per day in a field kitchen. Therefore, the soldiers were given crackers, but these were not the small cubes that we were so used to. The soldier cracker was essentially a dried loaf of ordinary bread, which was convenient to transport.
    Secrets of trench cooks: Soldier cabbage soup. A bucket of water (approximately 12 liters) is poured into the boiler. Next put about two kilograms of meat and about a quarter bucket of sauerkraut. About 5-10 glasses of cereal are thrown - it will betray great density to the soup. For these purposes, oat, buckwheat or barley groats is best suited. After that, you need to add 1,5 kilograms of flour to the boiler for the same purposes. Salt, pepper, bay leaves and onions to taste. All this is boiled for three hours. If time permits, after cooking, you can let it brew for another one to two hours. For those who are surprised by the lack of potatoes in the soup: the fact is that 100 years ago the vegetable was not as widespread in Russia as it is now, and it was not included in the obligatory rations.
  23. +3
    6 July 2018 15: 38
    A letter from a soldier of the 14th regiment at the end of 1915: "We live well here, they feed us well and healthy, for example, in the morning we drink tea with rolls and butter. Twice a day, hot food, 1 pound of meat for each and lard is given, porridge is cooked, and we ourselves fry potatoes with lard, in a word - chic. ” A letter from a soldier of the 197th Regiment in January 1916: "They give us 1,5 pounds of bread, black, burnt, and the dog will not eat, and give little. Soup water, yes 1-2 potatoes, and the meat was eaten by mistake dogs and cats for us". Letter from a soldier of the 1st Finnish Rifle Regiment in February 1916: "Servings reduced both meat and sugar. Meat for 1 p. give% f., sugar for 16 spools (zol.) give 12 zol. and bread, too, a 10-pound loaf for 5 people". A letter from a soldier of the 173rd regiment in February 1916: "We sit without bread for four days and without a serving, because our Russia does not have enough bread and meat, too, and everyone began to surrender so much».

    Letters from the war of 1914-1917 / compilation, commentary and introductory article by A.B. Astashova and P.A. Simmons. - M., 2015 .-- 794 p.
  24. +3
    6 July 2018 15: 49
    When it was allowed to eat this NZ in the spring of 1916, as the officer who knew his taste noted, “white flour biscuits were very tasty, and sturgeon canned food (in a whole piece) was simply magnificent.”

    By the fall of 1916, the situation is changing for the worse -
    For example, on December 22, 1916, Glavpolint reported that according to the reports of the compounds, different types of cereals were dispensed unevenly, and therefore it was necessary to transfer the cereals to the troops equally “not only in quantity, but also approximately in variety”. On some fronts, people could get laid buckwheat or rice, and on others they could get lethal disgusting.
    RGVIA. F. 2072. Op. 1. D. 150.
    In an order for the Special Army dated December 12, 1916, it was reported: “In the matter of nutrition, I see in many parts a shortage of vegetables, herbs and fats; food varies a little. Porridge is not cooked everywhere every day due to a lack of cereals. In some parts, soup with herring is given for dinner, which causes thirst at night, quenched by the lower ranks, often with raw water, for lack of boiling water at night. Products are not always accepted benign. Not everywhere hygiene rules are observed during transportation and storage of products ”
  25. +9
    6 July 2018 16: 10
    Yes, they used to watered everything with negativity, and our army is at the level and even more than
    The Germans have long fed rutabaga to those years
    Interesting learned a lot
    And most importantly, clearly hi
    1. +2
      6 July 2018 22: 55
      Despite the war, the Russian, French and English bourgeoisie, that is, the bourgeoisie of the Entente countries in the rear, did not change their culinary habits and did not limit themselves to food, which should not be done based on purely political, psychological, and not financial considerations . Thus, she indignant, shocked, challenged the other classes and classes, not only the working people, workers and peasants, but also the petty bourgeoisie, and the poor, dependent petty-bourgeois intelligentsia, whose reaction to this provocative and immoral behavior was expressed with such indignation and force poet Vladimir Mayakovsky. At the same time, in the countries of the German bloc, where strict discipline of both state and public behavior reigned, the ruling circles much better understood the importance of rear moods for the general situation of the country and strictly controlled that the bourgeois circles behaved outwardly modestly, taking into account the general difficult the food situation and in no case did not allow any public action that could annoy the poor - especially workers and the urban poor in general.
      Kaiser Wilhelm II himself defiantly set an example of saving and reducing state and personal expenses for household needs, food and other “civil expenses”. All the last, the best, necessary was to be given to the army, the front, the defense of Faterland. The German people — burghers, bauers, and arbeiters — had to know, be sure that their Kaiser also limits itself, as befits a soldier and a patriot. That is why reports on the limitation of state and especially personal expenses of the emperor were certainly published regularly for the general public.
      So, on September 9, 1916, the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief in Plessa in Upper Silesia (a town 70 km southwest of Krakow and 23 km west of Auschwitz) published a lunch menu, which Wilhelm II gave in honor of a guest - war ally, King of Bulgaria Ferdinand I The meal was simple and modest.
      Menu:

      1. Tomato soup (there were a lot of them around in the fields where the autumn harvest was going on).

      2. Flounder (at that time the cheapest Black Sea fish brought with him the Bulgarian king).

      3. Gray partridges with mashed potatoes and cabbage (they were shot right there, near Stavka, in the spurs of the Western Beskids, which were teeming with game; cabbage and potatoes were found in neighboring fields where vegetables were harvested).

      4. Dessert: fruits (apples, pears, plums) are also cheap, local, almost free.

      The state treasury did not actually incur expenses for the lunch of the two monarchs. That's what it means that both crowned allies were, firstly, real Germans, and secondly - “soldiers” and shared all the hardships of their people. After all, everyone remembered how magnificently the monarchist meetings were celebrated in peacetime, when 500-1000 people were invited to the table, by no means modest. But then in wartime, everything became different, for the war is the same for all Germans - both for the emperor and for the ordinary warrior.
      It is no coincidence that such clever tactics not only delayed the revolution in Germany for a whole year, but also made it moderate, bourgeois, devoid of Russian "extremes". And in fact, the German revolution was not the result of an internal social explosion, but external, and, moreover, bilateral pressure from the Entente from the west and the Russian revolution from the east.
      But Russian tsarism, the Russian military aristocratic elite, and even more so the Russian still young and rollicking bourgeoisie lacked, lacked German discipline, and most importantly - intelligence and political tact to even behave more modestly in public, not so provocatively. And the matter was not only in our own general and political lack of culture of our "elite", but also in that dependence, in the "ape" of the morals of the French and English bourgeoisie, in the deep neglect with which the Russian ruling classes are accustomed to treat their people: that look at him - he still does not understand a squirrel and will "eat" any event or news.
      That is why rumors about drunken orgies of unknown merchants in Moscow restaurants or about Rasputin drinking in the circle of military and aristocrats in St. Petersburg palaces unpleasantly disturbed both the Russian soldier at the front and the Russian worker in factories, especially since they already had bellies at that time. . And although the “culinary inequality of classes” or “defiant culinary behavior” of the Russian bourgeoisie during the war years could not have become the cause of the revolution, they undoubtedly were both the catalyst and the reason that were able to direct the antipathies of the most backward, politically the unconscious, dark masses are against the anti-people, war-eating Russian bourgeoisie, and it is very intelligible to explain and prove that all these parasites, headed by the tsar, must be discarded as soon as possible!

      Therefore, the German army sitting on rutabaga and other surrogates was stronger than the Russian army "alarmed" by the lack of weapons, ammunition and the rear living separately from the army !!!
  26. +4
    6 July 2018 16: 50
    The sturgeon impressed with a whole piece. It would be interesting to know the diameter of the jar with this piece.
  27. +7
    6 July 2018 17: 06
    Very interesting.
    And speaking of whether it is good or bad, it is advisable to compare it with the enemy.
    And what do we see? The Russian soldier has bread (rye, and sometimes white), and the German surrogate - such

    So that
  28. 0
    6 July 2018 20: 36
    Lunch - every day meat, with a serving of meat, and cabbage soup or soup was cooked from different cereals.

    and fasting days where did they go?
    1. +3
      6 July 2018 21: 20
      Traveling and warring laughing
      1. 0
        6 July 2018 22: 24
        You can, but who can give him :)))
        I just remembered Stessel’s order in Port Arthur to introduce more fasting days. This is when the blockade began and with the grub it got worse.
        1. +5
          7 July 2018 09: 03
          Wrote above.
          I will repeat the quotation from the work of B. M. Shaposhnikov about his service in the 1st Turkestan Rifle Battalion. And even before the Russo-Japanese.
          Good food was served for lunch: soup with meat (meat portions for each) and porridge (with meat crumbs). There were morning and evening tea. Rye bread was given on the day 3 pounds. Young soldiers were fed “off the tray” - how much they would eat. Gradually, senior soldiers did not eat 3 pounds of rye bread per day, and so, if desired, they received so-called bread money for uneaten bread. I also found issuing on holidays a cup of vodka for each soldier, for which there were special statutory cups in the company arsenal. Non-drinkers received money

          It writes the Marshal of the Sevetsky Union
          So everyone gave.
          What does the besieged fortress have to do with another war? Let's remember Narva))
          1. +1
            7 July 2018 12: 11
            What does it have to do with it

            Uh ... really, where does the food in the peaceful Turkestan okrug, and even before the war?
            Try to read the title of the article, since you were unable to read (or understand) my koment.
            I specifically asked about fasting days.
            By the way, the fact that gentlemen-officers had the opportunity to eat sturgeons is not so bad. Not all of them at that time were representatives of the propertied classes. Among ordinary officers appeared more and more raznoshintsev, whom before the service and herring in joy. The main thing is that it doesn’t work out like this: to Mr. Lieutenant Sturgeon, and to his soldiers horseradish. But arithmetic average they all consumed sturgeon with horseradish.
            1. +5
              7 July 2018 13: 06
              That's exactly what in the outskirts, and even before the Russo-Japanese War, the food was excellent. But for PMV, this issue has only improved.
              As for the besieged fortress from your commentary (Port Arthur) - this is a different story. Blockade always has a big effect on nutrition. One can recall not only the long-standing Port Arthur, but also the topic - Przemysl.
              The main thing is that it doesn’t work out like this: to Mr. Lieutenant Sturgeon, and to his soldiers horseradish.
              So it turns out that everyone ate normally. And meat, even if you forget about sturgeon.
              1. 0
                8 July 2018 09: 11
                From my koment follows that additional fasting days introduced when groceries got worse. From which it follows that when it was normal with them, there were still fasting days. In addition, I personally served in the army, and therefore I know very well that local food depends entirely on the competence of local authorities. And therefore extrapolating the pre-war situation in one of the districts to the entire army during the war, just a little is incorrect. Norms in our time were not bad, but on the Russian island, somehow the sailor died from exhaustion. Why would
                And now the question is for you. Are you the author of the article? Because I asked him and the question concerned food allowance on fasting days. If you do not have information on this point, then why are you telling me what I did not ask?
                1. +2
                  8 July 2018 13: 25
                  because extrapolating the pre-war situation in one of the districts to the entire army during the war, just a little is incorrect.

                  The text of the article and the comments are full of indications that they fed well during the war. The information you give about fortresses also seems to be out of place.
                  And now the question is for you. Are you the author of the article?

                  Why did you get this? Are you the author of this article? Here everyone is attached to each other, and indeed it is necessary to correct different mistakes, so I wrote it.
                  As for fasting days, here I am not a competitor to you.
                  sorry if distracted
                  1. 0
                    8 July 2018 19: 21
                    The information you give about fortresses also seems to be out of place.

                    1) I cited this as an example, the presence of "fast days" during the database.
                    2) In the great war there were no sieges of fortresses?
                    Are you the author of this article?

                    If I were an author, then, quite obviously, I would not ask a question to myself tongue
                    As for fasting days, here I am not a competitor to you.

                    You very gracefully admitted the lack of knowledge on the topic. Bravo! Yes
                    1. 0
                      8 July 2018 22: 44
                      If I were an author, then, quite obviously, I would not ask a question to myself

                      Yes, who knows you)))
                      As for fasting days, here I am not a competitor to you.
                      You very gracefully admitted the lack of knowledge on the topic. Bravo!.

                      Yes, you don’t see that I'm kidding?))) Only on fasting days I can’t catch up with you - I will probably fast a little))
                      and as for the sieges, Port Arthur has nothing to do with it anyway. Then they would recall Przemysl, but probably not in the subject))
                      1. 0
                        9 July 2018 08: 52
                        Yes, you don’t see that I'm kidding?))) Only on fasting days I can’t catch up with you - I will probably fast a little))

                        Alas, my physics, when I look in the mirror, also does not evoke thoughts of humility, fasting and prayer :)))
                        A colleague, I must apologize, I should have written not “knowledge”, but “information”. Litter.
  29. +4
    6 July 2018 22: 06
    Such an army was destroyed ...
    1. +1
      6 July 2018 22: 24
      Quote: Qazaq 1974
      Such an army was destroyed ...

      For the sake of this, in 1905-1907. they shot 12 thousand statesmen ...
      So when you can make such sacrifices for your greatness, then you will have a future ...
  30. 0
    7 July 2018 18: 57
    What did the Russians sell to Russian-Japanese that in 1914 they just bought generals
  31. +1
    8 July 2018 09: 42
    "... what do the memories of the soldiers themselves tell us ... the memories ... of the soldiers of the Russian army"? Really what?

    1. "The system of keeping troops that existed in the tsarist army made it possible for officers to freely manage the money allocated for keeping soldiers and horses. The officers drank money and played cards, and the soldiers went hungry. In Alexandrdorf, it came to the point that the soldiers of our regiment had completely stopped prepare food, and give horses fodder.
    I remember how, once with me, the Bacharenko’s squadron commander turned to the captain Krym-Shamkhalov-Sokolov with a request to release money for the soldiers ’food:
    “The soldiers are starving, your high nobility.”
    The captain swore obscenely, and then threw three rubles from his pocket and shouted:
    “On, buy a cart of firewood for them, let them bite!” (S.M. Budenny “Walked the Way”).

    2. The soldiers wrote: "... God does not bring food to see us ..."; "Lack of food, and besides, the predation of our commander, who robbed and robbed the soldiers of the treasury in crumbs. The authorities do not enter into the needs of the soldiers, do not ask or question the soldiers what their life is and how they are content with it;" “They steal everything, starting from the cook and ending, probably, with the head of the commissariat. The devil knows how many hands everything that is supposed to go through us, and everything sticks to each hand and comes to us completely meager and bad” (Shaipak L.A. GROWTH OF ANTI-WAR MOOD SOLDIERS AS A REFLECTION OF THE CRISIS OF THE RUSSIAN ARMY DURING THE FIRST WORLD WAR).

    3. "... We place ourselves in summer huts, there are a lot of people, the regime is terrible. There are more insects than people. All the time there are frosts with the wind." "... We have lunch on the same bunks on which we sit and lie with dirty legs. As I have not yet been infected, it is incomprehensible to the mind, now we have a big frost of -25. Many have frostbite ears, legs, noses, hands. I, too frostbitten left foot, big toe ... "(Ibid.)
  32. +2
    8 July 2018 13: 33
    The fact that they fed well in the army, including meat (constantly) follows not only from the article, the memoirs of Marshal Shaposhnikov, but also, for example, from the memoirs of M.M. Maximov, who took part in the world war as a simple soldier - and later recorded everything that was with him as he remembered.
    Our platoon commander was a corporal who was illiterate, but the man was already an elderly, old soldier. He began to ask me to learn how to write and solve at least small problems. I began to show him, for this he didn’t appoint me anywhere and even never sent for soup, he constantly went to dinner himself, takes wallpaper pots and brings greasy-greasy cabbage soup and the softest slices of a serving of meat.
  33. +2
    8 July 2018 13: 55
    Paduchev "Notes of the lower rank"
    "A week ago, the soldiers were paid. Card lovers lost their seventy-five kopecks on their first free evening." P. 10. Confirmed info about the salary of soldiers.
    Shtukaturov's diary
    "I had to go to dinner, but I didn’t want to: I took only a portion of meat and ate 3 eggs."
    P. 139. The next confirmation of the soldier about meat dinners.
    Naturally, depending on the situation, everything happened. That's the war
  34. +1
    9 July 2018 11: 52
    Senior sailor,
    There is knowledge and information colleague
    Do not be so serious)))
  35. +1
    14 September 2018 13: 55
    In how, even with red wine, our soldiers treated themselves.
    photo of the war years

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