Author of "Oscilloscope Arrow": It looks like "Petrel" exploded

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As the classic aptly defined: “The trouble is, if the shoemaker starts to bake the pies, and the pie goes to stitch the boots.” In the column “Weekend Fiction” on “Military Review” today is about this. Specifically, the fact that individual graduates of the Literary Institute, who left Russia, suddenly find in themselves the expert potential in the media to evaluate missile tests, methods of their conduct, and even the features of the latest Russian weapons.

Author of "Oscilloscope Arrow": It looks like "Petrel" exploded




We are talking about the notorious Julia Latynina, whose Novaya Gazeta an article entitled “Little Flying Chernobyl” was published, reflecting on the accident in the area of ​​the village of Nenoksa near Severodvinsk. In the same "New", which just a few weeks ago came out the material of another "expert" - about the "nuclear mud" on board the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov", which basically does not have a nuclear installation.

From the material of Ms. Latynina:

The observed clinical picture corresponds to only one species weapons, about which the president spoke in March 2018, namely, the SSC-X-9 complex, aka the Petrel rocket with a direct-flow nuclear engine. It looks like she exploded.

The instructors of the Literary Institute should applaud here, because, apparently, between the analysts of the works of Krylov, Pushkin, Bulgakov and others, they persistently invested in Yulia Leonidovna knowledge of military affairs, nuclear physics, taught the possibilities to determine the type of test weapon remotely - according to the reports of narrow circle of individual sources.

Apparently, it was after that additional special training that the future expert in the field of armaments became the only person in the world who discovers an arrow on the oscilloscope (a sensational fragment of one of Ms. Latynina’s books), knows that Nikolai Copernicus was “burned at the stake”, and also, in the pages of the same Novaya Gazeta, he writes about the incident near Chelyabinsk in 2013 as a "explosion of a rocket fired from a neighboring training ground." Then, by the way, Latina’s “New” material about the rocket was deleted, because after exposing the fake, the author herself admitted that it was “absolute nonsense”.

From fresh material from Latynina:

What is a nuclear rocket? It is very simple, in theory.

There is no doubt at all that for the graduate of the Literary Institute and the author of the “arrow of the oscilloscope”, the theory of nuclear physics is a mere trifle that can be mastered without reading to the end a single thematic scientific work and seriously considering that if we are talking about a nuclear power plant, such a setup a priori pollutes radiation around itself. After this, it’s scary to imagine what “an expert in the field of nuclear energy”, Yulia Latynina, for example, will say about the work of atomic icebreakers.
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  1. +69
    11 August 2019 07: 50
    Fuh, at first the man thought in the photo. ..
    1. +68
      11 August 2019 07: 57
      ... but looked closely, like a man)))))
      1. +14
        11 August 2019 08: 12
        With such an appearance and a literary education, where she still has to write and what, here at least someone paid attention to her, it does not matter that she writes nonsense, though no one understood this man or woman.
        1. +13
          11 August 2019 08: 35
          Quote: Igor Shcherbina
          With such an appearance and a literary education, where she still has to write and what, here at least someone paid attention to her, it does not matter that she writes nonsense, though no one understood this man or woman.

          Yes, yes, if there would be a beauty here with tacos ... hmm, then you can write about anything and anywhere. Moreover, judging by your commentary, the presence of a literary education is not only an aggravating circumstance, but also a discrediting one, like a shameful disease. Sir, is there really nothing to discuss besides the exterior of Latynina and her gender characteristics? Are you a man or where? And what is the substantial part of your comment - let's say, on the state of journalism as such, journalism in which no one is responsible for the bazaar and can blurt out what, where and whenever - and it will not be anything - regardless of bust and diploma?
          1. +22
            11 August 2019 11: 26
            Quote: astepanov
            about the state of journalism as such, journalism in which no one is responsible for the bazaar

            Very correct message!
            But after reading that Latynina seriously thinks that the nephew of the Polish bishop - Nikolai Copernicus - was burned at the stake! (Bullshit!) I understood how she was studying at a literary institute ... And Nicola prudently put her views on the gel-centric arrangement of the solar system on the table - for the time being, so to speak ... After death, they published it.
            But history is not nuclear physics, not quantum mechanics - much effort is not needed to grasp the essence of the problem. But Mrs. Latynina Oli-I (!) In Polish - "butter") did not even bother to do this! And what kind of confidence can there be in the publications of such a "slippery" correspondent !? (Calling her a journalist is hard to come by.)
            1. +8
              11 August 2019 11: 52
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              And what kind of confidence can there be in the publications of such a "slippery" correspondent !? (Calling her a journalist is hard to come by.)

              Sasha welcome! hi And there are more and more such journalists every year. Moreover, not understanding the subject at all, they write in such a way as to dump everything that is connected with science in Russia, advanced developments, etc. in excrement. Moreover, reading such "works", one wonders, what do these citizens harass themselves so much, living in dirty Rashke (that is how they often call Russia, where they were born and live)?
              1. +7
                11 August 2019 12: 05
                Quote: NEXUS
                And there are more and more such journalists every year.

                Be healthy, friend! drinks
                Andrei, the authorities, fearing a big BADA BOOM at the turn of 2024 and, apparently, having nevertheless delved into the concept of the "Trojan Horse", seriously engaged in NGOs. Vaughn Anal will be covered with his "anti-corruption" fund, and then they will also gut these state feeders for our liberoids. And without external financial support, they will not last long: and the Rain will stop, and we will no longer hear the Echo ...
                Therefore, less scum - less dirt! And the air will be cleaner without them. Yes
                1. -1
                  11 August 2019 12: 12
                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Therefore, less scum - less dirt! And the air will be cleaner without them.

                  A friend came from Moscow. He says that in the case of BADA-BUMA there is the Russian Guard, which is equipped by all means do not indulge. So this abomination, such as Anal and Sobchag, is held tight by the testicles.
                  1. +13
                    11 August 2019 12: 13
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    The dog is held tight by the testicles.

                    Masterpiece
                    1. +1
                      12 August 2019 08: 07
                      There are brilliant surgeons on staff
                  2. +6
                    11 August 2019 12: 23
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    So this abomination, such as Anal and Sobchag, is held tight by the testicles.

                    Well, if they are "holding them", they could apply the article "for incitement" ... But they have something rather weak with their law enforcement practice ... And if the priests Gapons go to rallies and gatherings, then before the start of the "hot phase" "try to screw out of there so as not to get under the distribution. And the lop-eared people suffer, who naively believe in the Gapons and climb "with a bare heel on the sword" (as in the joke about Vasily Ivanovich) ... Therefore, provocateurs should be lynched by a public court of citizens, carriers of "common sense." BUT! Strictly by law !!!
                    1. +5
                      11 August 2019 12: 28
                      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                      Therefore, provocateurs should be lynched by a public court of citizens, carriers of "common sense". BUT! Strictly by law !!!

                      Stalin was quick and easy with this. Therefore, the people were united and believed in a brighter future. Moreover, they did great things both in science and in other fields. But it was under Stalin ...
                      Now, of course, there should be a letter of the law, but ... it's time to attract these bawlers.
                      1. +9
                        11 August 2019 12: 38
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        but ... "for the market" it's time to attract these bawlers.
                        We are not even America or Holland, what a thread where after the word "falsehood" you will be dragged through the courts and you will go bankrupt only with lawyers! And with the beginning of the trial they will also be kicked out of work ... But there is democracy! And at us they shook their fingers - and this is immediately "bloody GeBnya!" And the fact that taxes are not paid, and money is laundered, obtained by criminal means, is DEMOCRACY and liberal values! And our law enforcers catch flies with their mouths! And our judges are irreplaceable ... Only by the decision of the College of Judges they can be retired ahead of schedule ... Therefore, in the country we have what we have!
                      2. +1
                        11 August 2019 12: 39
                        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                        Therefore, in the country we have what we have!

                        So I think that the legislation will change ...
                      3. -6
                        11 August 2019 18: 25
                        And what kind of words are false? Here in the states on each channel one hundred Trump are yelling racist, fascist and all that. In Russia, they would have already rolled up in jail "according to the law"
                      4. +2
                        12 August 2019 06: 03
                        Quote: Sasha ___
                        Here in the states on each channel one hundred Trump are yelling racist, fascist and all that.

                        One Trump is a fascist and racist? And the other US presidents, ministers and senators are white and fluffy? M.
                      5. -7
                        11 August 2019 17: 20
                        The people under Stalin were united, so those who were not particularly united were packed in camps. Logic - in
                      6. +4
                        11 August 2019 17: 36
                        Quote: Sasha ___
                        The people under Stalin were united, so those who were not particularly united were packed in camps. Logic - in

                        There were every nation in the camps, and not just righteous martyrs. In Guantanomo, there are polite malicious terrorists and extremists, dear?
                        As for the cohesion of the Russian people, or rather the Soviet people, the outcome of the Second World War, even for people like you, is understandable. There would be no cohesion, there would be no after either the USSR or Russia.
                        As for your pseudo patriotic vyser below, ..
                        Quote: Sasha ___
                        And here’s the name the Patriotic Party Steal for the Homeland will suit you!

                        It would be nice to remind you what the liberal democrats did during the time of the EBN. Here are people like you, then they sold their homeland at 5 kopecks per bundle. And now, when Anal and Sobchaki are not at the trough, you go on excrement, because you can’t steal, kill and expose the back hemisphere under the mattress of reproductive organ.
                      7. -3
                        11 August 2019 18: 14
                        You mean that if your parents were among
                        every nation
                        then you don’t mind at all? When I read about Korolev’s fate, I’ve been wound around the gulags, and I’m thinking what hypocritical filth he is.
                        As for your pseudo-patriotic answer, even under ebn all the oligarchs in Russia lived and tried to build something here. And now under Putin, the very concept of “selling the homeland” has lost its meaning, because everything is in the hands of EU citizens and NATO’s bloc, well hidden in offshore zones. And for ordinary citizens - a salary of 20 thousand and a pension of 65. Oh yes, right now, the patriots of Siberia will also sell Siberians to the Chinese - they will plant the back hemisphere on the Chinese genital organ.
                      8. +2
                        11 August 2019 20: 03
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        It would be nice to remind you what the liberal democrats did during the time of the EBN.

                        Andrei, with all due respect, but THEY are in power ... alas. request
                      9. +1
                        11 August 2019 20: 16
                        Quote: Aerodrome
                        Andrei, with all due respect, but THEY are in power ... alas.

                        If everything was as simple as you say, now there would be no restored army, no Crimea, no help from Syria.
                      10. 0
                        11 August 2019 20: 49
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Quote: Aerodrome
                        Andrei, with all due respect, but THEY are in power ... alas.

                        If everything was as simple as you say, now there would be no restored army, no Crimea, no help from Syria.

                        but I didn’t say that everything is simple ... but the facts ... I won’t give the names, you yourself know everything, I’m sure you are not a stupid person and understand everything. therefore, I don’t see the point in picking. mentioning the entire scale of the Chubaisoserdyukovosechinsky killer and so on. so ... yes ... they are in power.
                      11. -7
                        12 August 2019 05: 47
                        "for the market" it's time to attract these bawlers.

                        Offset. The turrets of the Kremlin (with a small letter) became a couple of bricks higher. Puten our ffso.
                      12. +2
                        12 August 2019 06: 05
                        Quote: Sergei71
                        Puten our ffso.

                        So run to vote for Navalny, Kasparov, Sobchag ... and I would look, and listen, that under their rule you would yell here.
                      13. +2
                        12 August 2019 21: 56
                        On that one, and the liberals, in order to pluck dirt with any power in Russia, which is trying to somehow get it out of the swamp, where the liberals systematically push, barely getting the steering wheel in their hands.
                2. -7
                  11 August 2019 17: 26
                  You would organize an alternative movement - Patriots for corruption. And here’s the name the Patriotic Party Steal for the Homeland will suit you! For me, the air is cleaner without people like you.
                  In general, it’s interesting to see how many pro-Putin lackeys would stretch without access to public money
                  1. SOF
                    +8
                    11 August 2019 23: 57
                    Quote: Sasha ___
                    For me, the air is cleaner without people like you.

                    ... you are extremely modest ...
                    ... in my opinion, hardly anyone will be able to compete in the effectiveness of air purification by the fact of its disappearance, for you and other Latin people ...
              2. -7
                11 August 2019 17: 14
                In the first Latynina one such and she writes for many years. He writes simply as part of the usual logic on the topic that excites her. You’re speaking out on the topic of Navalny about which you know from Kiselyov and nothing
                Secondly, a Normal person always sees flaws and paths to improvement.
                Thirdly, this is how you, so patriotic, can live in Russia, where the minimum wage is lower than Gabon, such as Rogozin lead Cosmos. A true patriot would be the first to go out. So don't flatter yourself
                1. +6
                  12 August 2019 00: 04
                  Quote: Sasha ___
                  ways to improve.
                  - none of them offered a REAL improvement program, not one .... Maximum - blah blah blah about corruption and "remove everyone", what to do with the industry / pensioners / army / scientific and industrial lag / dependence on gas / and so on, there are no real proposals ... In Ukraine, at least "Visa-free" was offered as an option for enticing the people ...

                  How similar it is to you, earthlings, - Melit said sadly. - You want to have power, provided that it does not entail any risk. "
                2. +8
                  12 August 2019 07: 23
                  Dear Sasha ____ Sasha, patriots do not go out into the streets and smash everything around in the hope of crushing the state, do not throw their fists and what worse at police officers, do not spit in their faces, but work for the good of Russia, realizing that their work is the basis of well-being and stability in Russia, the basis of power that does not allow to come to the throne, to the state feeding trough for friends "us..alny", Latin, beep and other - now still crawled out from behind the Anglo-Saxon screen Madame "sable" - a woman with eggs, which is haunted by the laurels of one of the political characters of the Ukrainian freak show. Enough, they mocked the country in the dashing 90s: they unleashed a war in Chechnya, ruined the industry, defense industry, brought the people to such poverty, to the point that the garbage in garbage cans began to be used for food, put Russia on the brink of collapse ... billions of gold, which everyone will have as a gift on a voucher from some red-haired figure, do not even have to say.
                  So, the defender of the demons that have fallen on Russia, sit and keep quiet ... The time will come. Russia will sweep away all this rubbish hanging on it with vile scabs, trying to turn Russia to a vile, vile existence on the margins of history as a raw materials appendage of the Anglo-Saxon mafia !!! ...

                  "People-State-Fatherland" - this is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
            2. +7
              11 August 2019 15: 17
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              But after reading that Latynina seriously thinks that the nephew of the Polish bishop - Nikolai Copernicus - was burned at the stake!


              I sometimes regret so much
              What the Inquisition has rested!
              Although she was a saint
              Yes, a lot of things.
              Oh, if times clashed ???
              There would be no doubt in me
              For a long time this "lady" used to burn read through C
              On a bright and holy fire!
              I'm so sorry Giordano Bruno!
              Her layer of history ... to taste,
              But for starters, still Julia ...
              Knives should be shaved!
              1. +2
                11 August 2019 15: 28
                Quote: Arberes
                But for starters, still Julia ...
                Knives should be shaved!

                Bravo!
                Colleague, you have a fine art of Aesopian language!
                Thank you for the pleasure you have read the "favorites"!
                1. +3
                  11 August 2019 20: 33
                  Quote: Arberes
                  I sometimes

                  Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                  Colleague you possess

                  glad to see you Devils! I have no desire to write comments, but I follow, I read, especially you, professionals, and just decent people. I respect, I appreciate ... I shake ... the "crab" to the Boa constrictor, and the hand to Arberes! hi
                  1. +1
                    11 August 2019 23: 51
                    Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                    glad to see you

                    YURICH !!! Buddy fellow Where to post, you old devil !!! bully
                    I am sincerely glad to see you again on our website. drinks
                    And then the neocons are already sitting in the liver. Solid inadequate, damn it! am
            3. 0
              12 August 2019 19: 58
              Actually, Copernicus "distributed his" Small Commentary "so to speak among friends, that is, having no funds for publication (a very expensive business), he distributed handwritten copies to those interested. This was done during his student years. However, you are very different from Mrs. Latynina ...
        2. +3
          11 August 2019 09: 27
          Quote: Igor Shcherbina
          With such an appearance and literary education ....

          Her fans once embellished her appearance with her “creativity”", dousing it with feces. belay crying As they say, according to creative abilities and a reward! fellow
        3. 0
          11 August 2019 11: 04
          I want to clarify your idea: "not to write, but to write ...", it is better to go where the dogs do it, under the fence!
        4. +3
          12 August 2019 17: 31
          I can't help but write about Latynina: "the author is zhzhot."

          The ashes of the burned Nicholas Copernicus beats in my heart. Penetrated by the arrow of an oscilloscope.
        5. 0
          13 August 2019 08: 27
          It’s as if they were burned at the stake in past lives. And more than once. Since from life to life, the witch turns out. Everything about the painful, about the experienced, because of this, Copernicus also burned, that the case for the evil spirits is familiar. lol
      2. AAK
        +1
        11 August 2019 16: 52
        And the photo, EMNIP, was taken at the "Wailing Wall" in Yershalaim ...
      3. -8
        11 August 2019 18: 23
        Well, Latynina in her 50s with something almost runs marathons. After 2 attacks, he continues to defend his views. He writes boldly and frankly, in spite of the situation. So yes, you still need to figure out who is the bigger guy.
      4. 0
        12 August 2019 01: 04
        Well, you give a pancake!
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    3. 0
      11 August 2019 08: 00
      Quote: Evil543
      Fuh, at first the man thought in the photo. ..

      Similarly laughing
      1. -2
        12 August 2019 13: 13
        Here it is too biased: she is in sportswear, and with a haircut she is clearly better than with the previous hairstyle.
    4. +29
      11 August 2019 08: 12
      Excuse me, but who is Latynina? And who is even interested in her opinion? It's just ridiculous.
      1. +15
        11 August 2019 08: 45
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Excuse me, but who is Latynina?

        The author of the theory of wandering bullets ..
        1. +9
          11 August 2019 09: 26
          And the landscaper of Saudi Arabia.
          1. +4
            11 August 2019 15: 25
            Quote: PalBor
            And the landscaper of Saudi Arabia


            Saudi cesspool workers cry for it, and ours too ... probably. hi
        2. +12
          11 August 2019 10: 36
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          Excuse me, but who is Latynina?

          The arrow of an oscilloscope is something.
          1. +4
            11 August 2019 11: 49
            it's just STRONG ..... very neighing ..)))) laughing
      2. +9
        11 August 2019 09: 41
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Excuse me, but who is Latynina? And who is even interested in her opinion? It's just ridiculous.

        Like who? A specialist around the world. The site is also full of such nuggets. For some reason, people of Jewish nationality stand out in this regard. Perhaps the haplogroup is somehow special. Professors through one.
      3. +9
        11 August 2019 10: 38
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Excuse me, but who is Latynina? And who is even interested in her opinion? It's just ridiculous.

        This is an expert about whom one can say, paraphrasing one movie hero: "from her, like from a pig, there is a lot of screeching, but little wool."
    5. +16
      11 August 2019 08: 34
      The peculiarity of Latynina's "creative" style is that, among the many correct details that characterize the topic as competently presented, one absurd one is carefully introduced, the one in which the devil is hidden. An attentive reader or listener of a Latin opus, noticing this detail among the many recognizable, reliable ones, is outraged by Latynina: Latynina burns weakly! I saw this detail, and Latynina passed by, did not make a global generalizing conclusion in the form of a cool negative, but I did! So that was the task of the writer, to shift the task of "burning" to the listener, to draw conclusions about the existence of a negative that does not exist. I remember her reports from Dagestan. They emphasized the good attitude of the special services towards the author, the sympathy of the author himself for these guys, on the basis of which the listener concluded: yes, Latynina is a special agent herself, she knows everything first-hand! But only one conclusion from such reports was obtained: the war in Dagestan is inevitable and will be more terrible than in Chechnya.
      Well, where is she?
      Yes, scumbags run around the villages, only who will let them unleash a war. And in those days, people, listening to Latynina, unnecessarily strained. There was fear. Latynina was counting on that. Excessive tension in a society like her is at hand. Jesuit skilful radicalization of moods is their super task. At the same time, she constantly spoke of herself as a graduate of Moscow State University. Obviously, in order to increase self-confidence.
      1. +9
        11 August 2019 09: 17
        Nicholas Copernicus "burned at the stake"
        She beguiled, it was Niccolo Paganini, and Nicolaus Copernicus invented the wheel: "And yet it turns," and Nikola Tesla played in "Juno and Avos", and Nikolai Karachentsev "Tractor drivers", and Nikolai Kryuchkov played the violin breaking all the strings, and Nikolai Rybnikov dabbled with electricity and blew up Tungusska!
        PS There are still many Nikolaev ....
        Merry Christmas to Nicholas the Wonderworker!
      2. +8
        11 August 2019 11: 44
        The peculiarity of Latynina's "creative" style is that, among the many correct details that characterize the topic as competently presented, one absurd one is carefully introduced, the one in which the devil is hidden.

        This is called manipulation - and Jews have been using it for more than a thousand years.
        The bottom line - at first 99% of the pure truth is poured on a person so that a person believes, that is, is called rubbing oneself in trust, then it is necessary to seize authority (expert opinion), that is, the authority with which young children listen to their parents (this is achieved by the same introduction and getting used to 99% of the truth, i.e. mimicry under his own). And then, one percent of the lies are dosed, but one that completely misinterprets the whole truth. )))
        Roughly speaking, there is an interception of control, control over the masses - this is how to take control of control over young children from their parents.
        So they live .....
    6. +27
      11 August 2019 08: 51
      Unfortunately, VO publishes articles of freaks, instead of real experts in this field
      1. +12
        11 August 2019 09: 08
        Quote: loki565
        Unfortunately, VO publishes articles of freaks, instead of real experts in this field

        I completely agree! Of course, everyone has the right to their own opinion, but I really would not want to see frank nonsense here. The media is already full of all kinds of garbage.
        1. AUL
          +10
          11 August 2019 09: 28
          I have already noticed for a long time that the "News" section is heavily crammed with such notes - either outright fakes, or analysis of the statements of some individuals who have neither weight nor influence. Well, somewhere a man (or a lady) blurted out something, who, in general, has nobody, nothing to call, but on VO there is already an article with a detailed analysis of this fact. Do we need to make excuses to such? Or, so that the youth here sharpen their sparkling wit? IMHO, the VO editorial staff should take a more serious approach to the selection of materials for publication. With greater disgust, or something ... "Better less, but better!" (VI Ulyanov-Lenin)
    7. +20
      11 August 2019 09: 24
      Quote: Evil543
      Fuh, at first the man thought in the photo. ..

      I don’t even know what’s worse, a nuclear engine explosion or a meeting with the author at night
      1. +2
        11 August 2019 09: 32

        Quote: Evil543
        Fuh, at first the man thought in the photo. ..

        I don’t even know what’s worse, a nuclear engine explosion or a meeting with the author at night

      2. +2
        11 August 2019 11: 57
        Well, why ruin the Sunday morning for workers with such photos !? People will believe in the reptilians wandering among us from Aldebaran.
        1. +1
          12 August 2019 15: 47
          Quote: Xenofont
          Well, why ruin the Sunday morning for workers with such photos !? People will believe in the reptilians wandering among us from Aldebaran.

          1. 0
            12 August 2019 15: 51
            Is that how you distribute reptiloid tips?
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    10. -1
      12 August 2019 12: 09
      She, of course, is not beautiful, but she never claimed the role of a socialite.
      Sometimes she sincerely wrote something intelligible. She performed on TV periodically.
      Unfortunately, a rather talented person reduced his analysis to linear statements, and this certainly does not color her.
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  2. -24
    11 August 2019 07: 55
    Well, what could explode in Zircon and cause an increase in the background radiation? But Petrel is another matter. She speaks very logically.
    1. KCA
      +18
      11 August 2019 07: 59
      Oh, still a physicist-writer, do you also write articles in "Novaya"?
      1. +6
        11 August 2019 08: 20
        Quote: KCA
        are you writing articles to "New"?

        Rather, they get the Old ... from the first hands, so to speak)))
    2. +12
      11 August 2019 08: 04
      Quote: Sergey 777
      Well, what could explode in Zircon and cause an increase in the background radiation? But Petrel is another matter. She speaks very logically.

      Sorry, but there are granites around and with any earthquake, including an explosion, the radiation level will increase, for a short time. In the same way, it rises during snowfalls. Ordinary physics.
      And yet, in any modern rocket and aircraft engines there are isotopic sources, even in the engines of the T-80 tank it is ...
      1. KCA
        +9
        11 August 2019 08: 08
        Yes, probably there were no isotopes, indeed, granite, cracks / microcracks are formed during the explosion and radon is released, here is a jump, radon was blown away by the wind - and the radiation background was blown away
        1. -22
          11 August 2019 08: 18
          Well, you as a sofa geologist know better.
          1. KCA
            +26
            11 August 2019 08: 26
            In order to know about the presence of radon in granite, you don’t need to be a geologist, a secondary education is enough, read why in Moscow and St. Petersburg on the embankments the background is higher than average, why in the basement of buildings lined with granite, it is even higher, although why do you need it, it’s better to closely monitor the arrow of the oscilloscope, suddenly it will go over the red line, you must immediately sound the alarm
            1. +11
              11 August 2019 08: 34
              Quote: KCA
              it’s better to closely monitor the arrow of the oscilloscope, suddenly it will go over the red line, you must immediately sound the alarm

              As one friend of mine once complained about the electric meter in the apartment, "It spins so much that it goes off scale"
            2. -4
              11 August 2019 08: 48
              Quote: KCA
              better watch the oscilloscope needle

              Of the 5 dead, 2 remains have not yet been found. The explosion was so strong that it looks like they will not find the remains
              1. +10
                11 August 2019 09: 28
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: KCA
                better watch the oscilloscope needle

                Of the 5 dead, 2 remains have not yet been found. The explosion was so strong that it looks like they will not find the remains

                Do not invent any annihilation there. The tests took place on an offshore platform, people were overboard, and this is the north ...
                1. +2
                  11 August 2019 09: 38
                  Quote: Botanikas
                  The tests took place on an offshore platform, people were overboard, and this is the north ...

                  It was yesterday at VO
                  After the explosion, several employees were thrown into the sea, and there was a hope to find them alive. Searches continued until there was hope to find survivors. (...)
          2. +11
            11 August 2019 08: 35
            I’ll tell you so, if you measure the background radiation near the ground, on the lawn for example in front of Moscow State University and at the top of the MSU State University, it will show you - tadam! - INCREASING THE RADIATION BACKGROUND. Slight, however. The radiation background is not a constant at all, but much can be characteristic of an emergency.
            In general, read at least the basics about radiation, by the way, these are not grandmother's tales from a middle-sex creature, but quite a Moscow State University:
            http://nuclphys.sinp.msu.ru/ecology/public/index.html
            Not to mention the fact that when nuclear fuel was ejected from the rocket, the fuel of the upper stage exploded, right? It doesn’t attract a nuclear explosion, nor does an SCR ... It would spread the fuel components by an explosion around the district in its pure form, and the result would be - LONG-TERM radioactive contamination of the area. This is pure "dirty bomb", sorry for the pun. And they have the background the next day - half to the border of the NORM, 1/5 of the maximum permissible value ...
            1. 0
              11 August 2019 20: 48
              And they have the background the next day - half to the border of the NORM, 1/5 of the maximum permissible value ...

              Gamma radiation.
              1. +1
                11 August 2019 20: 58
                So what? Uncover the secret meaning of your answer smile
                No. I know that gamma. I can explain why alpha is not taken into account at all, and the beta is not actually considered.
                Gamma Station. But the meaning of your answer - did not understand at all
                1. 0
                  11 August 2019 21: 13
                  So what?

                  Mini nuclear reactor. More precisely, a radioisotope source of energy.
                  1. 0
                    11 August 2019 21: 33
                    So what's next? Little flew out, you mean? And that the Burevestnik reactor is a mini-nuclear one ... So who argues ...
                    A mini-reactor that gives the Petrel such a burst of energy to fly ... Not a battery and not a glass of barium or gadolinium for tomography ... This will give you infection in the environment, even if the "cloud in the sea has taken away" - and for a long time, it will glow from afar is a gamma, her exclusion zone around the base is not a distance.
                    PiSi: at one time was kidding. Like - there’s a bubble, almost like a pharmacy with a solution of americium. Climb to the skyscraper, wind up to the grenade - pads! And somewhere, 1 / 10 of Moscow is uninhabited forever, and that’s not even a reactor for you
                    1. 0
                      11 August 2019 21: 40
                      So what's next? Little flew out, you mean? And that the Burevestnik reactor is a mini-nuclear one ... So who argues ...

                      And I do not argue with you. On the contrary, I agree on everything.
                      As well as the leadership of the RFNC-VNIIEF in Sarov. All the dead worked there.
                      Management commentary on the tragedy. Focus on the words of the supervisor of the center.
                      https://sarov.info/main/2019/08/11/zayavlenie-rukovodstva-vniief-po.html
                      1. 0
                        11 August 2019 21: 42
                        Excuse me, now I can’t watch the video, could you briefly outline what is the point?
                      2. +1
                        11 August 2019 21: 46
                        The supervisor says the test was related to a small-sized nuclear power source.
                      3. +1
                        11 August 2019 21: 53
                        Ah, now I understand you. So the fact is that mnu also got the impression of the notorious "nuclear battery". But there, even in theory, the content of fissile material is negligible, although, of course, this is exactly what the SHORT-TERM and INCREASE, and not "excess", this could give, and it is a minuscule.
                        I heard about this topic, but it’s clear, without details, the topic is VERY old. It is strange, however, that this research institute is occupied by her. Although, who knows ... It's just theoretically developed by another FSUE.
                        But here the talk above is mainly about Petrel, and he’s not getting into such exhausts
                      4. 0
                        11 August 2019 21: 59
                        very old topic

                        He says they have been chewing it since 1952.
                        He also says that the Americans last year created a source of only a few kilowatts. Kilo Power Program.
                        Not weak. Give each cottage a reactor. This is autonomy in case of war!
                      5. 0
                        11 August 2019 22: 13
                        Do you know moon rover? Also an echo of this topic))) By the way, on America))) Well I say - a long-standing topic
        2. +9
          11 August 2019 09: 26
          When a chemist served as an emergency near Arkhangelsk, we went to granite exits to check the dosimeter.
        3. +2
          11 August 2019 09: 48
          An increase in the background radiation by 20 times in 30 minutes - what kind of miracle is granite with faults in your place near Severodvinsk?
          1. +3
            11 August 2019 11: 32
            Quote: Vadim237
            An increase in the background radiation by 20 times in 30 minutes - what kind of miracle is granite with faults in your place near Severodvinsk?

            Yes, and why did Rosatom’s employees die during the tests that died in the explosion. After all, they tested it sort of like a jet engine.
      2. +2
        11 August 2019 08: 32
        At the expense of tanks you went too far. Planned in the future ....
        1. +1
          11 August 2019 08: 34
          Quote: EGERb
          At the expense of tanks you went too far. Planned in the future ....

          Yes, not a bit. In engines of gas turbine engines, there are isotopic sources, the aviation past of these engines affects
          1. -3
            11 August 2019 08: 44
            And in what intimate place on t-80 is an isotopic power source ???????
            1. +5
              11 August 2019 09: 15
              Quote: EGERb
              And in what intimate place on t-80 is an isotopic power source ???????

              There is no power supply, but there is an isotope source in, if memory does not change, in a temporary software device. There on it there is a formidable inscription "DO NOT OPEN" and an icon that there is a source of radiation
              1. +3
                11 August 2019 09: 17
                Xs traveled the whole T-80 did not see this. Although it may be a place for engineers
                1. +1
                  11 August 2019 09: 56
                  Or maybe it was loaded with BOPs like lead)))
                  1. 0
                    11 August 2019 11: 13
                    This is depleted uranium - an alloy with titanium.
                    1. +1
                      11 August 2019 12: 03
                      AND? does uranium not fonit?
                      1. 0
                        11 August 2019 12: 05
                        Phonite - but we are talking about isotopic power sources, not about shots.
      3. -1
        11 August 2019 09: 15
        Can you give a link that such a phenomenon is in principle present in noticeable volumes and is capable of changing the radio environment by tens of kilometers to the side?
        With mass bombing, then everything should be flooded with radiation.
      4. +2
        11 August 2019 09: 39
        Quote: svp67
        Sorry, but there are granites around

        Sorry ... we have swamps all around us.
        1. +1
          11 August 2019 11: 39
          Quote: dvina71
          Quote: svp67
          Sorry, but there are granites around

          Sorry ... we have swamps all around us.

          And in the swamps the frogs are probably invisible and they are afraid of the explosion, and from this the radiation background jumps back and forth at times, it seems empathy is called laughing Look upstairs in comments and granites begin to vigorously flash in the explosion on an offshore platform. laughing
          1. +1
            11 August 2019 12: 26
            Quote: Semurg
            And in the swamps probably frogs apparently not visible

            There are of course .. amphibians, but not enough .. the climate is not for them., But. Empathy is not caused by them, but by horses on infobros.
    3. +1
      11 August 2019 09: 09
      Quote: Sergey 777
      Well, what could explode in Zircon and cause an increase in the background radiation? But Petrel is another matter. She speaks very logically.

      But was there an increase in the background radiation?
      1. +3
        11 August 2019 09: 38
        Yes, the city hall of Severodvinsk reported this
        1. 0
          11 August 2019 10: 47
          Quote: Avior
          Yes, the city hall of Severodvinsk reported this

          Where? This was reported by the garbage can of MK .. The city hall reported that the sensors recorded a short-term increase in the background .. Even after nuclear weapons .. the induced radiation does not last for a short time .., and if this is simply the destruction of the radioactive material .., the background will be several decades.
          1. 0
            11 August 2019 11: 04
            Can you give a link to a rocket crash of some sort so that at the same time there will be an emission of radiation tens of kilometers around?
            Give such a link and the question is closed
            1. 0
              11 August 2019 12: 23
              Quote: Avior
              Can you give a link to a rocket crash of some sort so that at the same time there will be an emission of radiation tens of kilometers around?

              YES, who will disclose such information to you?
              We can judge indirectly .. we find a uranium mine .. and voila ..
    4. +3
      11 August 2019 09: 54
      Quote: Sergey 777
      But Petrel is another matter. .

      I think if the "Petrel" had really exploded, then a "short-term" increase in the radiation background would not have been enough!
      Quote: Sergey 777
      She speaks very logically.

      belay ???!
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  4. +12
    11 August 2019 08: 00
    We are talking about the notorious Julia Latynina,
    After the words about the lost sailors of "Losharik", I would be glad if she even went into the category of "unknown", why do we remember and promote her again?
  5. +1
    11 August 2019 08: 02
    Yulia Latynina, for example, on the work of atomic icebreakers.

    That penguins fled from them to Antarctica.
  6. +2
    11 August 2019 08: 05
    "The dog barks - the wind carries"
    Popular wisdom.
  7. +5
    11 August 2019 08: 06
    She is not an expert, she is a "herald". She announces the opinion of the "customer" to the people.
  8. +10
    11 August 2019 08: 06
    The most important difference between liberal ech-sperts and the rest is militant ignorance. They do not know, and do not want to know, nothing. But their right (in their opinion) to talk about everything with a smart look, without accepting objections. They have the LAW !! Abomination ...
  9. +4
    11 August 2019 08: 09
    coincidence or such coincidences do not exist? Just yesterday I read messages from the Pindo-Stansko-European media on various resources. Our "partners" also write about the "petrel". Sources of "awareness" by Latynina from this series? From those present here, offhand, can anyone name the western classification of the "petrel"? Yulia Leonidovna is in the subject ... Vaughn immediately named SSC-X-9. In, how. She is, of course, an outstanding young lady, her knowledge base is above average, but can we draw a conclusion based on materials from the media? About which, by the way, the author writes at the end of the article.
  10. +3
    11 August 2019 08: 09
    She would write better detectives, she did it pretty well.
  11. 3vs
    +2
    11 August 2019 08: 09
    Yes, I’m becoming more and more convinced that citizen Latynina, apparently, the heiress of Leonardo da Vinci! Yes
    An expert in all fields, even in Orthodoxy, even in nuclear physics, even in military affairs ...
  12. +6
    11 August 2019 08: 10
    it’s scary to imagine what “an expert in the field of nuclear energy”, Yulia Latynina, for example, will say about the work of atomic icebreakers

    Well, they are (icebreakers) on "pedal" traction, everyone knows that.
    And they are called "atomic" because the pedals are twisted by employees of the state corporation "Rosatom", sitting waist-deep in radioactive water ...
    1. +1
      11 August 2019 09: 01
      Quote: DigitalError
      that the pedals are turned by employees of the state corporation "Rosatom", sitting waist-deep in radioactive water ...

      Well, it's like in an old joke.
      The Americans introduced a new car that runs on water.
      We filled the tank with water. We drove this car 100 miles at a speed of 250. Indeed, it goes fast. We decided to look at this miracle engine. They open the hood, and there are 4 "African Americans" sitting there, all in sweat and wheezing, "Waters, wateryyy ..."
  13. +4
    11 August 2019 08: 10
    The nuclear reactor "Burevestnik", if it explodes, will not seem to anyone ... Yes, only while it is "cold", there are no special isotopes in it, it has not "worked out" yet ... The fuel itself "phonite" is weak ... Otherwise, the plant TVEL would not be in Elektrostal, but Snezhinsk, or somewhere else ... far away.
    1. +7
      11 August 2019 09: 57
      "If it explodes, little will seem to anyone" This is not a nuclear power plant - there is a miniature reactor assembly within one meter in length, eighty centimeters wide and forty centimeters high - judging by the air intake, if it explodes, then the increase in radiation will just correspond to what was written in yesterday's news, but at the same time traces of Iodine 131, Cesium 137, Strontium 90, Carbon 14 and other transuranic elements will remain in the soil and in the air.
  14. +6
    11 August 2019 08: 12
    Here is a painted "multi-station" in everything "understands". Just does not write it turns out spitting in Russia
  15. +5
    11 August 2019 08: 22
    There was a time, she (Latyn-a) broadcast on the first channel, then ORT, and now from Israel, she is cheating on the Internet, and in specific publications, of an ultra-liberal sense, so that everything is not so bad.
  16. +5
    11 August 2019 08: 27
    If I lay out all my thoughts about everything that I think about ....
    I should reward 1000 times, shoot 100 times. 200 times to hang, and give a prize in achrenellon, and then confiscate property and so on. etc..
    But I don’t post it all on the net.
    Happy Air Force Day, friends comrades!
  17. +1
    11 August 2019 08: 29
    This journalist had moments of enlightenment ..... a couple, I remember three times. But as if in the confirmation of the rule that exceptions only confirm the rule !!! The way it is.
  18. 0
    11 August 2019 08: 38
    The funny thing is that in theory the direct-flow fan is really very simple. But when it comes to practice ...
    And by the way, does anyone imagine how the WFD can be exploded at all?
    1. +1
      11 August 2019 10: 05
      It is easy to detonate a nuclear liquid engine, the fuel assembly needs cooling if it is not, the reactor assembly can explode in a few minutes.
  19. -1
    11 August 2019 08: 40
    "Elephant" barked at "Pug" in response.?
    Seriously.!?.
    ......
    Have come ....
  20. +5
    11 August 2019 08: 41
    I also wondered why she had shouldered the discussion of such an unusual event for her, but the ending put everything in its place. And it was for this last couple of lines that she scraped off everything that the Internet was full of for the article, and at the end, with relief, "spat" -
    To beat demonstrators with batons is more reliable than building high-tech weapons. Kleptocracy and high technology are incompatible.
    1. 0
      12 August 2019 12: 21
      This is a really strange juxtaposition: "kleptocracy and high technology are incompatible"
      if you write from Israel, where these "high-tech" kleptocrats always find the safest refuge.
  21. +4
    11 August 2019 08: 48
    Radioisotope sources of energy are devices of various designs that use the energy released during radioactive decay to heat the coolant or convert it to electricity. A radioisotope energy source differs fundamentally from an atomic reactor in that it uses not a controlled nuclear chain reaction, but the energy of the natural decay of radioactive isotopes.
    So it could be any strategic missile !!! Isotopic power sources used for a nuclear engine or as a source of electricity. As a source of electricity, it is installed on spacecraft and strategic missiles.
  22. +4
    11 August 2019 08: 56
    We are talking about the notorious Julia Latynina ....
    From the material of Ms. Latynina:

    The observed clinical picture is consistent

    That's it, the CLINIC at the very Latin. Feykomet in Russophobian wrapper. She needs advertising, but better, ward No. 6 and oblivion. They are afraid of this more than anything else. So to beat them, with these weapons - to FORGET. angry
  23. -9
    11 August 2019 08: 58
    Quote: astepanov
    Quote: Igor Shcherbina
    With such an appearance and a literary education, where she still has to write and what, here at least someone paid attention to her, it does not matter that she writes nonsense, though no one understood this man or woman.

    Yes, yes, if there would be a beauty here with tacos ... hmm, then you can write about anything and anywhere. Moreover, judging by your commentary, the presence of a literary education is not only an aggravating circumstance, but also a discrediting one, like a shameful disease. Sir, is there really nothing to discuss besides the exterior of Latynina and her gender characteristics? Are you a man or where? And what is the substantial part of your comment - let's say, on the state of journalism as such, journalism in which no one is responsible for the bazaar and can blurt out what, where and whenever - and it will not be anything - regardless of bust and diploma?

    In the future, express YOUR OWN thought, and if you have one.
    I would like to know, after all, what did you want to say about the lies of this half-man? Semi-educated, and half-fools?
    Apparently, you are well acquainted with her, since you began to defend her gender characteristics, then, being alone, explain to her that it would be correct to write not about nuclear technologies, but about incestuous and necrophilic actions of citizens in Russia. The circulation of her newspaper will jump to unprecedented heights and she will build a monument to the man-made, which, as you know, is not overgrown .....
  24. +1
    11 August 2019 08: 58
    It's just that no one will drive what a nuclear engine is)))))
    This is the same as YaU for example on Peter the Great TARKr, or on any nuclear submarine)))) Also an isotopic power source is a small reactor, only the processes inside it are not controlled. This is a nuclear battery, so to speak. It burns fuel in a rocket engine of a rocket and after that this engine can be called nuclear))))
    1. -1
      11 August 2019 17: 36
      The reactor works on nuclear fission, a side effect is the release of heat. It can, if desired, be used to create traction. An isotopic power source will never become a reactor for two reasons:
      1) Radioactive fission products are used in isotope sources;
      2) In terms of heat generation, the III will never be compared with the current reactor, in terms of unit weight, i.e.

      In addition, it is worth considering that on the same radioactive isotopes of cesium isotope power sources are produced. There is an ASRK at the landfill, in addition, ASKRO detectors are located nearby. If the isotope power source was depressurized during the explosion of the liquid components of rocket fuel, then the release of its contents could well be enough to trigger the ASRK and ASKRO systems, information from which automatically appeared on all connected to the system and on the external remote displays at the checkpoint.
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    1. 0
      11 August 2019 09: 14
      What intensity ???? What are you grinding !!!! Fear has big eyes!
      There are dosimeters everywhere. Every resident has practically ... If there now radiation would rise above the norm and remain so far, then believe me, we would already know about it despite all degrees of secrecy
      1. +4
        11 August 2019 10: 01
        I have no radiophobia, no, 7 years old. Noah I have land, 4 with my wife, 3 (one year in my stomach) my son has a normal flight left at 90. Her military sister and husband are also there for a long time. My sister is alive, she is 10 years older than me, walks with sticks and 77 is good for her. Her husband died at age 83 not from radiation, although he climbed sensors to collect after the event almost immediately (pencil cases with a film were used to determine the level, the location was the point of the directional diagram) .This was not to think that biased .But I read that 3 specialists were delivered to Sarov (A-16) and received radiation doses. They don’t write what. But the irradiation took place. Now here's another thing. About large doses of radiation, doctors roughly understand, but about the long-term effects of small doses, much less. In MSC, there was even a clinic, and doctors suggested that all New Zealanders be examined for free on this occasion — they have statistics, information for the person. There is too little information on the event. The power sources at the atomic source in our country are not understood by Sarov, but by the Afrikantov OKBM in Nizhny, and here is Sarov.
      2. +2
        11 August 2019 10: 13
        And how it will stay there for the third day - it’s not a nuclear explosion or nuclear bombs, everything has already been scattered by the winds, radiation must be sought on the soil and on the surface of the water.
    2. +5
      11 August 2019 09: 15
      Quote: andy 110
      the author of the article could try to list the versions of the incident

      Dear reader, if you haven't noticed, this is the heading "Weekend Reading".

      Moreover, it is not clear what kind of "radioactive contamination of such intensity" you are talking about. "This intensity" is what? In Severodvinsk, it is now 10 microR / h. For comparison - in Moscow, on average, about 14, and within a radius of 5 km from Fukushima - under 200.
      1. 0
        11 August 2019 10: 22
        Swords and at the time of the explosion are two different things.
        Excursions are now taking to Chernobyl
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  26. +1
    11 August 2019 09: 09
    Only testers and various technical personnel could suffer from the explosion of such a "nuclear engine". If the radiation has already jumped, then only as the comrades put it above because of the shifts of the granite layers, well, because of the destruction of the isotope power source itself. Liberators raised a panic !!!! The people are poisoned with iodine and so will quickly go to the next world. Drink milk you will be healthy)))))
  27. +7
    11 August 2019 09: 23
    Latynina, of course, is the arrow of the oscilloscope, but what about the facts ...

    But the facts are as follows: there was an explosion, 5 Rosatom employees died, there was a short-term excess of radiation background 30 kilometers from the landfill, and the explanations that give make us remember the explosion of swamp gas in the old film People in Black.
    1. -6
      11 August 2019 09: 41
      There was an increase, and Rosatom gave explanations where isotopic power sources were mentioned. Still need something ??? What rocket ??? Or what engine ???? Factory number???
      1. +1
        11 August 2019 10: 20
        With swamp gas, the explanation looked more reliable.
        What kind of isotopic power sources on a liquid package, where there is plenty of energy and without it, so that their explosion gave an excess of background for tens of kilometers around?
        Can you give a link to the fact that such sources are used on liquid rockets?
      2. +2
        11 August 2019 11: 08
        It is interesting that Rosatom specialists prevented these isotopic sources from being tested in laboratory conditions, these sources are not collapsible or partially collapsible, again, the source’s work on the rocket can be checked in the same factory conditions when the rocket is not fueled, and the heptyl fuel itself for the new LRE - yesterday, it is poisonous which complicates and makes the operation and storage of the product dangerous - for RCC this fuel is not suitable, as well as for any missiles, except for sea-based ICBMs, and there it was heptyl yesterday. And from all this, the oil picture is a new heptyl-powered rocket engine, five Rosatom specialists, in the presence of two servicemen, are testing an isotopic element on a floating launch platform - on a fueled rocket, realizing that the product itself is of high danger. Here either a complex gouging, or we are rubbed in some kind of game, well, in the second case it’s clear - the bulk of them are doing it.
    2. -3
      11 August 2019 09: 45
      We live in radiation !!! Technology is evolving and radiation levels are rising. This is all physics and chemistry. These two sciences perfectly explain why there is radiation around us. And no one is outraged about this. And here you see the explosion occurred at the test site and all the panic thanks to the liberals !!!!!!!!
      1. 0
        11 August 2019 11: 23
        Natural radiation is the norm for everyone - but it isn’t natural in which many, about 250 transuranic elements, pose a serious danger to the life of all living organisms, even if 98% of these elements are short-living.
      2. 0
        11 August 2019 13: 51
        Quote: EGERb
        And here you see the explosion occurred at the test site and all the panic thanks to the liberals !!!!!!!!

        If there were no casualties, then the liberals would not have faltered. They are like "scavengers" always flock to the smell of blood! They are absolutely purple - who died, do they have wives, children ... The main thing for them is to dig deeper into our wounds, so that it hurts more, in order to cause discontent with the "bloody regime of Gabney"!
        To them, Putin is like a sickle for a Faberge! But they hope to undermine this regime from within and pave the way for "liberal Western values" ... These are our ideological worms. For the sake of the green dollar, they are ready to sell everything around and they themselves are ready to sell, surrender ...
        Yes, something has not been dancing out lately ... People have become more literate: have seen enough of Nezalezhnaya, and the memory of 90's does not allow to doze off at the post!
        But libroids can’t change a hackneyed record anyway ... The naive - have died out in hard times, and the rest - learned from their own bitter experience - no longer believe Washington’s paid troubadours ...
        Apparently "grenades of the wrong system!" (from)
    3. +2
      11 August 2019 10: 43
      Rosatom is now participating in many projects, most of which are in no way connected with a peaceful (or non-peaceful) atom. For example, Rosatom makes gas liquefaction equipment. Just because competency allows.
      1. 0
        11 August 2019 16: 06
        And the fact that there was an outbreak of radioactivity, you did not notice?
    4. -1
      11 August 2019 11: 43
      Quote: Avior
      but what about the facts ...

      There was a "dirty bomb".
      Not a nuclear engine has blown up.
      He just smashed.
      That's the radiation. Small and short-lived.
      1. +1
        11 August 2019 13: 58
        Quote: DED_peer_DED
        There was a "dirty bomb".

        What are we, square or what? And we don't have "clean"?
        And then, there is only one place left to work with such products - the landfill at Cape Sukhoi Nos, and in the mines of Matochkin Shara. Nobody near the city will allow "indulging" with products ... This is 100% !!!
      2. 0
        11 August 2019 16: 07
        From a dirty bomb, radioactivity would not be short-lived
  28. +1
    11 August 2019 09: 38
    Here is the Prostipoma, about how you flashed from a person right away and can not be distinguished. wink
  29. +1
    11 August 2019 09: 51
    Quote: mig29mks
    ... but looked closely, like a man))))

    Not....
    I can’t drink the drain ...
  30. +1
    11 August 2019 09: 52
    an akus (read from right to left) is finished, like everyone else is on the hook ...
  31. -3
    11 August 2019 09: 52
    Regarding the oscilloscope ... But she's not so wrong, there really are arrows. On the racks of the tone telegraph (I do not remember the name of the equipment), in addition to the oscilloscope itself, there are arrow indicators and lamp transparencies. And collectively they called it an "oscilloscope".
    1. +2
      11 August 2019 10: 03
      Quote: Wilderness
      Regarding the oscilloscope ... there really are arrows.

      No, well, if you recall the ondograph of the Hospital of the 19 century, you can write about spinning gears there, no doubt ...
      1. 0
        11 August 2019 12: 27
        70-80 years of the twentieth century, what kind of muskrat? We didn’t even know such words ...
        1. 0
          11 August 2019 12: 32
          Quote: Wilderness
          70-80 years of the twentieth century, what kind of muskrat? We didn’t even know such words ...

          Come on... laughing This is the cost of a bottle of vodka per muskrat skin. Uncle constantly sent. Skins, not vodka, of course.
    2. +3
      11 August 2019 10: 34
      Quote: Wilderness
      And collectively they called it an "oscilloscope".



      You will find the "arrows", I will put - magarych.
      One of my appliances.
      1. 0
        11 August 2019 12: 25
        No, not like that. There is a rack, a table wide. And with the table, by the way, together. And the tube is round. The buttons are large, square with backlight. The arrow indicators are square (larger than on the TT144).
        1. 0
          11 August 2019 15: 26
          and the steel frame half a hand thick of pipes and bottom wheels - because the weight is heavy ..)))
      2. BVS
        +2
        11 August 2019 17: 53
        and where is magprych ???!


      3. 0
        11 August 2019 20: 32
        Is there a RIR radio-reflectometer (radio pulse) here? Once, with 84-86, I was engaged in the development of a group. We went over. I measured the reflection coefficient. The prototype was used in the shipyard — the radar wastes were illuminated (16 m there and 16 back) —detected * a drop of water or must) and removed a specific waveguide, it was measured in advance and marked along the length. Based on it, a device was created to track the instantaneous reflection. After the Falkland incident, it became clear that a simple airplane could detect a target and throw a racket. Urgently began to cover with special coatings of the vessel and submarine logging. And I had to browse on Krasnoye Sormov with 10GHz signal bridges, so the carriages were spinning, at 5 points square meters, in different places and after each applied layer, horror. We made a prototype and rolled it at the Central Research Institute of Krylov in St. Petersburg. The first day-visit, the effect, the failure of the device. The three-triumph is complete, everything was measured with high accuracy, all the samples, the Krylov engineers with sarcasm asked, bring to the series, as you looked into the water, he protected the candidate, the device was archived, my friend at the Research Institute another left, I’m already on a new land with my wife .. so it ended. I’ll try to put in the photo. failed to insert
  32. 0
    11 August 2019 10: 24
    CIA agent working out money
    1. -1
      11 August 2019 14: 13
      Quote: egsp
      CIA agent working out money

      Go away from the CIA by definition.
      At the NSA, by the way, too.
      They also disdain MI-6 (not a KB Mil helicopter, please do not confuse!), Mossad and the native KGB / FSB - too!
      Such an audience is in demand in propaganda. Therefore, the media can’t push from them ... Like mutts - they bark without stopping ...
  33. Cop
    +3
    11 August 2019 10: 37
    Here Mr. Volodin read your news to these your words:
    that for the graduate of the Literary Institute and the author of the “arrow of the oscilloscope”, the theory of nuclear physics is a mere trifle
    and I wanted to ask, but you yourself what you graduated from? And then write on ..... serious topics, but as if you don’t know that arrow oscilloscopes exist and in Russian they are called recorders. And there is also another variety of their so-called. "Loop oscilloscopes." They wrote on film and a rotary mirror was used as a writing tool. But with a certain share of imagination, why not the arrow ..., trembling, after all, this and that .... laughing And then she was not the first to introduce this term. Before her, it was also said, for example, here: When she appeared here, the oscilloscope needle began to jump like mad ... (Yemets D. A., "Universal Loser", M .: "Eksmo", 2006, p. 380)......
    1. +3
      11 August 2019 11: 36
      Quote: Cop
      When she appeared here, the oscilloscope needle began to jump like mad ...

      From the same series: "The oscilloscope arrow was beating like a mad jack."

      And I’ll add it again (comment above): If you recall the ondograph of the 19 Century Hospital, then there you can write about spinning gears, no doubt ...

      And if "pointer oscilloscopes" are so relevant (especially in the literature), then why don't you remember that Latynina herself was later forced to admit: "I wrote nonsense, but they will read the book" ...
      1. Cop
        +1
        11 August 2019 14: 04
        Quote: Volodin
        And I’ll add it again (comment above): If you recall the ondograph of the 19 Century Hospital, then there you can write about spinning gears, no doubt ...
        So she was not quite right.
        Quote: Volodin
        And if "pointer oscilloscopes" are so relevant (especially in the literature), then why don't you remember that Latynina herself was later forced to admit: "I wrote nonsense, but they will read the book" ...
        Well, after all, we initially talked about oscilloscopes, i.e. they are or not. We came to the conclusion that there is. Well, as for what she said, that she wrote nonsense, it has nothing to do with her article. In her article, she raised the topic of the danger of the Vanguard, first of all for those whom it is called upon to protect. That there were no such cases? At one time, the Soviet satellite of the Kosmos series with a nuclear power plant on board went out of order. The reason is trivial, the skew-handed installer turned off the thermocouple, as a result the reactor core melted and therefore the system that put it into the disposal orbit did not work. It burned well in the upper atmosphere over Canada. And if I fell somewhere in Vancouver. And in your article there is not a word about this danger ...
        1. +3
          11 August 2019 17: 11
          Quote: Cop
          We came to the conclusion that there is.

          Well, if you personally came to this conclusion, then the Latynina regiment arrived.

          I understood your "logic". Talking about oscilloscopes with an arrow is like talking about cars with a plow. If a tractor is considered a car, then a car can have a plow ...
          1. Cop
            +1
            11 August 2019 21: 38
            Quote: Volodin
            Well, if you personally came to this conclusion ...
            So I didn’t mention gears ....
            Quote: Volodin
            I understood your "logic". Talking about oscilloscopes with an arrow is like talking about cars with a plow. If a tractor is considered a car, then a car can have a plow ...
            I am yours too. Discussing .... the ability of the "arrow", modestly silent about what she points to - anyway, that person of pre-retirement age talk about the benefits of raising it. And, if it (benefit) is, then it (person) is capable of fruitfully working up to a hundred years ....
            PS I didn’t see a car with a plow, but more than once with a bucket and a shovel, so it’s quite possible to eat somewhere with it.
    2. +3
      11 August 2019 11: 45
      Valentine!
      I graduated from the Polytechnic and the oscilloscopes saw enough at the institute and at the factory. I assure you that a loop oscilloscope and a dial oscilloscope are two big differences. And there were no second ones. That wasn’t there! And I happened to see even rare German electrical appliances obtained from reparations. Oscilloscope is a device that is WRITING, and the arrow shows INSTANT value.
      But Volodin graduated from either mehmat or physical education. Yes, and the general course of physics, not to mention nuclear, is quite complicated things and to say that Latynina is in them Copenhagen, is ...
      And there is no need to doubt the words of a person until he has clearly shown that he is deceiving, or not understanding. Moms taught us that.
      1. Cop
        -1
        11 August 2019 14: 20
        Quote: My address
        Oscilloscope is a device that is WRITING, and the arrow shows INSTANT value.
        Polytech is certainly cool. But you don’t mind that the oscilloscope is a device, the arrow is only part of the device, which by definition cannot work independently. In your opinion, the process of “writing” is the specific values ​​of the parameters of the system or process for a finite or infinite period of time, and “reading” is the instantaneous value of the same parameters. So, in this case, is the process of “writing” not a combination of these very instantaneous meanings?
        Quote: My address
        And there is no need to doubt the words of a person until he has clearly shown that he is deceiving, or not understanding. Moms taught us that.
        So after all, Latynina's article is devoted to the danger of "Vanguard", and the author did not say a word about it. How do you think he kept silent about this deliberately or ... out of forgetfulness?
    3. +5
      11 August 2019 12: 33
      Quote: Cop
      Here Mr. Volodin read your news to these your words:
      that for the graduate of the Literary Institute and the author of the “arrow of the oscilloscope”, the theory of nuclear physics is a mere trifle
      and I wanted to ask, but you yourself what you graduated from?

      I consider your question, as well as the author’s claim to the formation of Latin, not legitimate. It does not matter that this or that author graduated. It is much more interesting that the author sets out. You did not meet graduates of Moscow State University bearing nonsense?
      By the way, Latynina’s article is not without common sense.

      PS
      Discuss the appearance of the author is the last thing.
      1. Cop
        0
        11 August 2019 14: 24
        Quote: professor
        Discuss the appearance of the author is the last thing.
        Did I discuss his appearance? So innocently inquired about his appearance, they say from what "beautician" he received it .....
        1. 0
          11 August 2019 19: 51
          Quote: Cop
          Quote: professor
          Discuss the appearance of the author is the last thing.
          Did I discuss his appearance? So innocently inquired about his appearance, they say from what "beautician" he received it .....

          About the appearance is not for you.
  34. +4
    11 August 2019 10: 38
    ... It is very simple, in theory.
    As it turns out, just a "liberal-democratic" scribe, and also a fighter against the "bloody GBni" regime, take and concoct a "smart" article about what he has absolutely no idea about. This is what they live in for the rotten media. And some ignoramus reads and even admires the "courage" of the author.
  35. Discussing someone’s appearance without showing the beauty of their own model appearance, as well as the beauties they are married to, is cool, it really paints a man ... from a moral point of view.
    Especially if natural beauty, nevertheless, is not the merit of the owner himself, and the criteria for beauty are different.
    Neither Latynina, nor the author of the article, Volodin, nor commentators (including myself) possess any objective information.
    Therefore, that Latynina’s article, that Volodin’s article, that comments (including mine), are empty talk.
  36. +4
    11 August 2019 10: 40
    With a very big stretch, the "oscilloscope arrow" can be taken as a correct expression. Before the signal was fixed on a photographic tape, and even more so on a CRT, the signal was fixed on a roll of paper, and with some tension the graphic pen drawing the graph can be called an arrow.
    Which does not negate the fact that the author of the expression is a fool. :about)
    1. +1
      11 August 2019 12: 20
      A seismograph also writes on a roll of paper. And also captures vibrations and waves. And shape them. Can a recorder be called an oscilloscope?
  37. +2
    11 August 2019 11: 04
    Chronic lack of demand on the part of peasants leads to more unfortunate consequences. It would be all right, then signed love affairs, and not climbed into unfamiliar areas to attract attention.
  38. -1
    11 August 2019 11: 09
    Latynina, of course, stupidity is able to freeze, but what you read here ....
    Well, give someone the assumption that there was an emission of radiation tens of kilometers around in the event of a liquid missile accident and the end.
    Or that there was such an outburst on a granite quarry. Explosions there constantly
    1. 0
      11 August 2019 12: 45
      Quote: Avior
      Well, give someone the assumption that there was an emission of radiation tens of kilometers around in the event of a liquid missile accident and the end.

      Do you need it? And then you get a cardboard box, such as this:
      1. 0
        11 August 2019 13: 17
        And what does it have to do with it?
        I just want to see if there were cases of an explosion of a liquid engine with a burst of radiation for tens of kilometers, as they say now
        1. 0
          11 August 2019 13: 20
          Quote: Avior
          were there any cases of an explosion of a liquid engine with a burst of radiation for tens of kilometers, as they now assure

          And who will tell us that? All will be kept secret for a hundred years. And even more. recourse
          1. 0
            11 August 2019 15: 25
            Is this the first rocket fall?
            Prior to this incident, an outbreak of radiation at a dozen kilometers was in such cases?
  39. +2
    11 August 2019 11: 15
    The short duration of the radiation spike in Severodvinsk is probably due to the fact that after the accident, radioactive materials were dumped at the bottom of the bay, after which this water area was closed for a month. Sympathy for the liquidators.
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    1. 0
      11 August 2019 11: 48
      Quote: Rus_Balt
      At the cottage of Putin or Medvedev, launch these nuclear missiles!

      Which of ...?
    2. +2
      11 August 2019 11: 58
      The Petrel has the usual booster TTRD - it was even visible during tests, the fuel for the YaPRD itself is kerosene, heptyl is too dangerous a fuel. Heptyl - most likely they simply went over their ears - to somehow justify the presence of ships of radioactive collectors and troops of the Russian Chemical Forces.
  41. 0
    11 August 2019 11: 51
    laughing laughing I did not know about the "oscillograph arrow" laughing belay fool
    1. -1
      11 August 2019 12: 07
      It was necessary to take a different name "Ammeter Arrow" would be more accurate.
  42. 0
    11 August 2019 11: 57
    Quote: Rus_Balt
    By the way, you can bury Latynina in shit with all the resources, but she is right about one thing, and this is confirmed by authoritative experts in the West - during tests, a Petrel missile with a ramjet nuclear engine exploded. A liquid propulsion system (heptyl) is needed to accelerate the rocket; after acceleration, the rocket flies due to a ramjet nuclear engine, leaving a "radioactive exhaust" throughout its flight. There are no atomic batteries, it's all bullshit. In 2017-1018, throw tests were carried out, which ended unsuccessfully.
    But the cartoons were drawn, but the rocket didn’t fly, they decided to hit the jackpot and launch the rocket again - and all the radioactive-heptyl shit exploded at the start.
    Now, Arkhangelsk and Severodvinsk have their own source of nuclear radiation and the sea area with radioactive contamination. It’s amazing how much it’s just become shit for ordinary people! At the cottage of Putin or Medvedev, launch these nuclear missiles!

    laughing lol fool
  43. 0
    11 August 2019 11: 58
    Quote: Avior
    Latynina, of course, stupidity is able to freeze, but what you read here ....
    Well, give someone the assumption that there was an emission of radiation tens of kilometers around in the event of a liquid missile accident and the end.
    Or that there was such an outburst on a granite quarry. Explosions there constantly

    laughing laughing good
  44. -1
    11 August 2019 12: 00
    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    Quote: Wilderness
    And collectively they called it an "oscilloscope".



    You will find the "arrows", I will put - magarych.
    One of my appliances.

    good wink
    1. -1
      11 August 2019 14: 37
      Fomkin! Well, that you are "deaf-dumb" and can only repost other people's sayings - it's understandable! Yes
      But it is impossible to disrespect the forum users so much that they don’t even have to stare down to smudge a white finger on the keyboard keys !!! am
      Or is it completely empty in the head and nothing to say? belay
      Then, do not force yourself - read! Get crazy ...
      How to "pick up" - go to sleep, sleep it off - in the morning it will feel better! Yes
      And all by itself will pass! laughing
      1. -1
        11 August 2019 19: 59
        Sometimes it’s better to be silent - you’ll get off smart laughing
  45. +2
    11 August 2019 12: 01
    If you look at the facts available on the Internet and how confidently Mrs. Latynina determined the type of product .. - she is right. We understand and are not required to tell all the details. most likely the source of pollution was simply drowned urgently .. either the product, having exploded after the start, fell into the water itself .. therefore, a short-term jump. Condolences to the fallen employees and the successful completion of the work to the liquidators and everyone who is working on this most serious project ...
    1. +6
      11 August 2019 12: 26
      Naturally, the exploded product was something serious in terms of "nuclear filling", and not just an ordinary rocket "containing a certain amount of isotopes in its equipment," as many here write. The explosion killed as many as 5! Rosatom employees, which indirectly confirms the version with "Petrel" - Rosatom employees in such quantities do not participate in tests of conventional missiles ....
      https://topcor.ru/10541-vzryv-rakety-na-voennom-poligone-ubil-5-sotrudnikov-rosatom.html?yrwinfo=1565515070924162-1215398492451874393200040-man1-4804-man-news-ah-http-adapter-23980-NEWS_API_RECOMMEND_BY_HOST-pure_interest_0.3
    2. -2
      11 August 2019 18: 33
      What exactly happened, you have no idea, but you always describe some terrible take-offs that are possible only in your sick brain. But this is not enough for you, you also undertake to affirm who is right and who is not ...
      Such as you call CALLBELLS.
      You'd better limit yourself to assumptions, otherwise your "competence" makes you sick.
      Take a "minute of silence" in memory of those who really knew their business ...
  46. -3
    11 August 2019 12: 19
    Who knows this colleague Latynina from Pedovikia?

    1. 0
      11 August 2019 18: 27
      There is the same portrait in the photo below.
  47. +1
    11 August 2019 13: 28
    And by the way, out of curiosity I got an oscilloscope with an arrow in Google
    Found this
    http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/Стрелка_осциллографа
    1. +1
      11 August 2019 20: 01
      In Cyclopedia (Israeli Russian-language Internet resource), as an illustration to the oscilloscope arrow, a drawing of a phase meter from an article by N. Strelchuk in the magazine "Radio" No. 2 for 1964 is given.

      Like "we don't hand over our own" laughing
  48. -2
    11 August 2019 14: 43
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    And what kind of confidence can there be in the publications of such a "slippery" correspondent !? (Calling her a journalist is hard to come by.)

    Sasha welcome! hi And there are more and more such journalists every year. Moreover, not understanding the subject at all, they write in such a way as to dump everything that is connected with science in Russia, advanced developments, etc. in excrement. Moreover, reading such "works", one wonders, what do these citizens harass themselves so much, living in dirty Rashke (that is how they often call Russia, where they were born and live)?

    Yes, isn't that clear?
    Only by living here and writing what is ordered from there, you can somehow make ends meet. It seems, like, from the "leading edge of events." Well, who did Kasparov become (not mentioned at night), and the same oil swindler Khodorkovsky? Or movie actor Pashinin? Any truth-teller, the next second after crossing the border THERE, they stop believing, because impunity allows you to shove any nonsense. Here is located HERE! ....
  49. 0
    11 August 2019 15: 44
    Here is the helicopter, with the victims of the explosion, are met by people in protective suits ... Obviously, this is the standard procedure for a "battery explosion" .... well, there is heptyl and all that ... winked
    http://in24.org/world/36925?utm_source=warfiles.ru
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  51. +1
    11 August 2019 17: 07
    “The observed clinical picture corresponds to only one type” of mental disorder - acute Russophobia with side signs of pathological liberalism.
  52. +2
    11 August 2019 17: 20
    It would be logical for a woman to put forward a pressure cooker as the first version. But no, it turns out that the nuclear Burevestnik exploded, although the nuclear explosion occurred without contaminating the area and only 5 people fell from the test platform into the sea. But this is the female logic of eternally oppositional journalism. The human brain is the only organ whose dislocation cannot be cured by reverse reduction.
    1. 0
      11 August 2019 17: 44
      Quote: Berkut24
      It would be logical for a woman to put forward a pressure cooker as the first version

      In your opinion, women are not capable of anything else besides the kitchen and diapers?
      Quote: Berkut24
      Only 5 people fell from the test platform into the sea

      Who told you that there are only 5? Or is this a product of your mighty “male” logic?...Actually, Rosatom reported 5 OF ITS employees...what does your powerful intellect tell you?...there were only employees on the testing platform owned by the Navy Rosatom?..How are the Navy personnel dealing with losses? Or did the blast wave act selectively...only hit civilians?...Or is it that the military can hide losses?..
      1. +1
        11 August 2019 18: 25
        What does my logic have to do with this? 5 people were officially announced by both Rosatom and the Moscow Region. Unlike Kommersant, I’m not going to fantasize too much.
        In your opinion, women are not capable of anything else besides the kitchen and diapers?

        I think they are capable. But it bothers me when a woman believes that she is capable of everything and is better than everyone else.
        1. +2
          11 August 2019 18: 28
          That is, all your logic and powerful analytical abilities come down to only repeating official press releases and turning off your own common sense?...Are you sure that Latynina has problems with logic?
          1. 0
            11 August 2019 20: 08
            Having read quite a lot of Latytina’s delusional opuses since the early 2000s, in which the only logic is that everything is bad in Russia and Putin is to blame for everything, I became convinced of her fixation exclusively on this topic. Everything she writes is aimed only at trying to prove this postulate and nothing more.
            And yes. In the past, I served as an officer at a test site related specifically to missile technology. Therefore, due to my education and everyday personal experience, I can distinguish a pressure cooker from a rocket stage. Let's just say, I've seen enough of everything and I know what can happen and when and why. And I understand that they may not finish speaking and for what reason. Unlike Latynina, who is a specialist in only one area - writing politicized lampoons.
            And the fact that the officialdom does not reveal all the details absolutely correctly, because... all such works are classified and it is not the business of journalists who love everything hot to poke their freckled noses and painted red heads into something that is not their business.
    2. 0
      12 August 2019 18: 12
      Yes, almost no one knows this Everything will be classified And even water will be poured When a long time ago a product that was launched from Akhtubinsk instead of the highway went to Guriev and destroyed a private house, specially invited people started rumors that a truck crane with drunken construction battalion soldiers drove into the house
  53. 0
    11 August 2019 18: 20
    It's clear what she will say. He will say that when the icebreaker passes by, the oscilloscope needle goes off scale, and the water in the ice gap becomes covered with radioactive dirt, even more harmful than on the Admiral Kuznetsov, so black, black - scary, scary)) ... Eh, if only there were more people with brains , ....and it’s high time to write these Euro “specialists” off to shore.
    1. +1
      11 August 2019 19: 00
      No - everything is fine, we watch Channel One and believe
      1. 0
        11 August 2019 23: 53
        Yes exactly. That's why TV shows are made - it's a way to convey information. I am only interested in two things - what you can believe in and facts combined with expert assessments. And the brainless nonsense that it is not normal to believe in normal things does not interest me and people like me, to put it mildly.
        I live in my country and love my Motherland...and I believe in those people who do the same, no matter what channel shows them. But when I see you in some cases, I believe only in one thing - if something stinks, then most likely it is rotten meat or shit.
        Believe me, this does not mean anything good for you and others like you.
  54. +2
    11 August 2019 18: 58
    Occasionally I listen to Echo of Moscow, where this Latynina or whatever her name really is is broadcasting. That's disgusting! To the point of disgust. And, of course, an uncompromising, absolutely confident tone. The show-offs are outrageous, the categorical judgments completely exclude objections. And yes, she is a scary woman. And this scary woman with ambitions is just like everyone else.
  55. +2
    11 August 2019 19: 18
    Latynina manages to collect facts, but the conclusions she draws from these facts are such that they take your breath away every time)
    1. 0
      11 August 2019 19: 21
      And what's wrong with her conclusions in this case?
      1. 0
        13 August 2019 00: 07
        The observed clinical picture corresponds to only one type of weapon, which the President spoke about in March 2018.

        The President spoke and spoke. It is a fact.
        There was an accident. It is a fact.

        But where is the connection between these facts that the accident occurred with the weapon that was announced by the president? Could this not happen with other developments?
  56. +3
    11 August 2019 19: 42
    I read the entire thread and came to the conclusion that Latynina is the most adequate of the local commentators. Because she wrote
    The observed clinical picture corresponds to only one type of weapon that the president spoke about in March 2018, namely the SSC-X-9 complex, also known as the Burevestnik missile with a ramjet nuclear engine.

    and at the end
    Of course, we still cannot say with one hundred percent certainty what happened in Nenoksa, but, apparently, it is he - “Burevestnik”.

    And the counterarguments are sexist jokes about women’s abilities and her appearance.
    1. 0
      11 August 2019 20: 17
      I must upset you. This is a lie from the first line and no clinical picture can be related to the SSC-X-9 complex, due to this there are no signs of the use of the engine of this very SSC-X-9 complex. Otherwise, the background radiation changed quite significantly for many months.
      This is a sign of liberoid creativity - to make a false statement first and then direct the entire discussion to discuss this particular thesis, without giving the opportunity to discuss other options.
      Remember the Skripal case. At first they said that the Russians did it. Because there is no one else. As in the case of Boeing in Donbass. And then they discussed who, when, with what, etc., but all attempts to consider the question “what if not Russians?” were cut off at the root.
  57. +4
    11 August 2019 21: 03
    Five Rosatom employees died. Five!!!. And everyone sings together about isotopes. Not funny? And I'm sad. Soon we will listen to the Voice of America about what happened to us, because our people don’t talk or lie.
    1. +1
      11 August 2019 22: 04
      The military has the right to distort and hide information, and the state does the same - since such accidents are not profitable in terms of compensation and litigation.
      1. +1
        11 August 2019 22: 32
        You seem to have written everything correctly, but what happens if you can’t tell the truth, then you have to lie? Why then all these messages? If this is not true interspersed with real events. Let them then give dry messages without details.
        1. 0
          12 August 2019 00: 46
          “After the explosion near Severodvinsk, 12 rocket workers were brought to the Federal Medical-Biological Agency of Russia in critical condition. Five of them did not survive that night. The victims have two diagnoses. The first is obvious: severe blast injuries, such injuries a person receives while being close to the place strong explosion. Second: radiation exposure." - Source Arguments of the Week. Just like that.
          1. 0
            12 August 2019 00: 53
            "And the Baza telegram channel publishes the names of the dead:

            1. Evgeniy Korotaev,
            2. Sergey Pichugin,
            3. Vladislav Yanovsky,
            4. Lipshev – name unknown,
            5. Vyushin – name unknown.

            All five lived in the closed city of Sarov, worked in design bureau No. 12 at the Research Institute of Experimental Physics. The bodies of Yanovsky and Lipshev are still being sought; the funerals of the rest will take place tomorrow, Monday.

            As for the location of the emergency, as karaulovlife.ru writes, if in the Arkhangelsk region the background radiation tripled and reached 2 microsieverts per hour, with an emergency level of 0,6 microsieverts per hour, now the jump has been recorded in the Tver district of the Murmansk region. An increase in the gamma background was recorded in the villages of Umba, Kashkarantsy and Pyalitsa, located on the shores of the White Sea."
            1. 0
              13 August 2019 11: 40
              Yes, the picture is becoming clearer, Trump has already made his mark. Nothing has changed since Thatcher gave interviews to three of our journalists and made them one question.
  58. 0
    11 August 2019 22: 28
    I would go and cook porridge
  59. 0
    11 August 2019 22: 31
    Quote: Town Hall
    Quote: Berkut24
    It would be logical for a woman to put forward a pressure cooker as the first version

    In your opinion, women are not capable of anything else besides the kitchen and diapers?

    Only with the permission of men.
  60. -3
    11 August 2019 23: 25
    Cunning plan: Voice it through the mouths of senior officials and trumpet in the media that we have a nuclear starship. Then blow up something somewhere and report that one and a half employees of Rosatomkosmos were injured in the process. Also throw in information that background radiation in the surrounding area has increased 10 times - firstly, who will check this; and secondly, such an increase in background is not dangerous to health. The pro-Western media themselves will trumpet that it was a nuclear spaceship that exploded during testing. And everyone will know that we definitely have it (even if it allegedly has problems during testing), and they will be afraid)) (Just kidding.)
    1. 0
      12 August 2019 00: 49
      At least Russia's nuclear-powered jet engines are a reality.
  61. +2
    12 August 2019 00: 00
    RFNC response

    May God rest the souls of the dead...
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    3. 0
      12 August 2019 11: 17
      Quote: ffaff
      Well, keep quiet.

      And these are all your arguments... there is nothing in your comment except insults.

      Since you are so smart, send your version to the studio!
  63. +1
    12 August 2019 05: 10
    The problem is not Latynina’s IQ, but those who persistently replicate such nonsense!!! Fake news is trending. People are getting stupid.
  64. 0
    12 August 2019 09: 18
    Damn, he’s also an analyst... but it’s definitely not from the word analysis... something shorter there at the root.
  65. +1
    12 August 2019 10: 25
    The author of the article is not going to refute the statement of the Rosatom press service?
    As a result of an incident at a military training ground in the Arkhangelsk region while testing a liquid jet propulsion system, five employees of the Rosatom State Corporation were killed. Three more of our colleagues received injuries and burns of varying severity.
    The tragedy occurred during the period of work related with engineering and technical support of isotope power supplies on a liquid propulsion system.
    At the moment, all the victims have been taken to a specialized medical facility and are receiving all the necessary medical care.
    On behalf of the huge Rosatom team, we express our deepest condolences to the families and friends of the victims. Their families will be provided with help and support.
    The bright memory of our comrades will forever remain in our hearts.


    The Severodvinsk administration website removed a message about a short-term increase in background radiation, which was recorded after an explosion at a Russian Navy training ground near the city. A copy of the page is preserved in the Wayback Machine archive.

    On August 8, the head of the civil protection department of the Severodvinsk administration, Valentin Magomedov, reported that the city sensors of the automated system for monitoring the radiation and meteorological situation had recorded a short-term increase in background radiation. The maximum achieved value is 2 microsieverts per hour with an acceptable 0,6 microsieverts.

    From 11:50 to 12:30, the background radiation began to decrease, as stated on the Severodvinsk administration website, and as of 14:00, sensor readings no longer exceeded 0,11 microsieverts per hour. “The radiation background in Severodvinsk is normal,” it said on the Severodvinsk website before the message was removed from the resource.

    https://29.ru/text/incidents/66190348/
    The Ministry of Defense told the media that there were no dangerous emissions (we readily believe).
    The distance from the offshore platform on which the tests were carried out to Severodvinsk is about 70 km.
    Significant, short-term jump in the radioactive background.
  66. +1
    12 August 2019 10: 27
    People, come to your senses! What difference does it make what exploded? Isotope sensors and batteries are found in every complex product. People, high specialists, the color and pride of the nation died! The question is: WHERE IS THE SAFETY?; WHO IS TO BLAME FOR THE DEATH OF PEOPLE?; WHY IS IT A MESS AGAIN?
    1. -2
      12 August 2019 10: 40
      There's no need to cry, it's impolite. As for “it’s a mess again” - also... be more careful. Rockets are such a thing, you know... anything can happen.


      During preparations for the first launch at the Baikonur test site on October 24, 1960, due to the passage of a premature command from the current distributor, the second stage propulsion system was launched, which led to an explosion.

      As a result, most of the combat crew who were at the starting position, the chairman of the state commission, Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces, M.I., were killed. Nedelin and a number of designers and executives from ministries. The disaster that occurred 40 years ago was a severe blow for all developers, subcontractors, and testers of the R-16 rocket.
      1. -1
        12 August 2019 11: 10
        Don't teach how to live, you'll pass for smart.
        Your answer is not to the point.
        Nedelin pushed the tests to November 7th. Everything possible was violated on the site - regarding the issue of TB.
    2. 0
      12 August 2019 10: 51
      Let me remind you that Rosatom is engaged not only in “atom”, but also in new structural materials. The experimental engine sprang into action; the experiment with new materials turned out to be unsuccessful. But why did people end up on an unprotected site!?
      1. +1
        12 August 2019 11: 10
        Quote: Nikolai Alexandrovich
        Let me remind you that Rosatom is engaged not only in “atom”, but also in new structural materials. The experimental engine sprang into action; the experiment with new materials turned out to be unsuccessful. But why did people end up on an unprotected site!?


        A tanker for collecting radioactive waste was spotted in the area of ​​the explosion at the test site in the Arkhangelsk region.
        In the White Sea, near the village of Nenoksa, Arkhangelsk Region, where a jet engine exploded on August 8, the Serebryanka transport tanker, designed for collecting and storing liquid radioactive waste, was spotted on the same day. This was reported by Jeffrey Lewis, a fellow at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies in Monterey, and an expert on nuclear weapons. He spotted the tanker on a Planet satellite image.


        Geoffrey Lewis believes that Serebryanka appeared in the area due to testing of a nuclear-powered cruise missile. The published map shows a location on the shore where the Burevestnik cruise missile launch site is believed to be located. On the map it is designated as “Possible SSC-X-9 Launch Site” - after the NATO code name for these missiles. In addition, two unidentified vessels and a barge were noted at sea, although this area of ​​the White Sea is closed to free navigation.

        https://meduza.io/feature/2019/08/09/v-rayone-vzryva-na-poligone-v-arhangelskoy-oblasti-zametili-tanker-dlya-sbora-radioaktivnyh-othodov
        1. 0
          12 August 2019 11: 38
          How do you imagine the collection of radioactive waste in the water area?
          1. +1
            12 August 2019 12: 25
            In the water area - no way. The currents have already carried everything around the bay.

            And the platforms are standard.
            Raising debris from the bottom.
            Decontamination of the platform with liquids - physical or physical-chemical method with pumping of used solutions into a tanker and subsequent disposal. Where do you suppose high-level coolants from the primary circuit of reactors are disposed of?

            In general, they haven’t become any smarter - the same rake as in 1957 - only the scale is smaller.
            Domestic nuclear weapons are the first to strike their own people, their own land - through the efforts of enthusiastic developers who do not think through the consequences of operational accidents of their developments
  67. 0
    12 August 2019 10: 38
    19 years ago, the Kursk was preparing to emerge under the periscope. And at 11 hours 28 minutes, having reported to the head of the firing about the readiness to carry out an exercise with the practical launch of torpedoes, it exploded. Let's remember.
  68. 0
    12 August 2019 13: 44
    Quote: nesvobodnaja
    Here it is too biased: she is in sportswear, and with a haircut she is clearly better than with the previous hairstyle.

    For some, any clothing or hairstyle is like a saddle for a cow.
  69. 0
    12 August 2019 13: 56
    Well, gentlemen/comrades, it’s not gentlemanly to blame one’s appearance.

    And so, Latynina is a well-known “expert” in the field of technology and science. I remember how on Echo she inspiredly mocked the newly opened production of macroprocessors.
    You'll listen to it, if you don't delve into it - bitingly, cockily. The technology, in her insider's eye, was undignified compared to the latest Intel and AMD processors.
    A person is sincerely confident that in her car or coffee grinder, industrial automation systems or in the warhead of a torpedo/missile there is definitely a desktop/server processor produced using the most advanced technology.
    Due to lack of curiosity, we don’t know about such things as programmable microcontrollers and FPGAs.
    Should I ask the engineer? - professional pride does not allow. Boring. And most importantly, the moment for the “Aurora shot” will be missed. But we value our ignorance very highly and publicly present it as the ultimate truth.

    As on Channel One, the director of the air defense museum seriously explained that the hypersonic projectile would not be visible to radars because... it was surrounded by a cloud of plasma. Not bad? And we bast shoes thought that it was plasma that made it possible to carry out ionospheric communication. It is the long-lived plasma trails from the passage of meteors that make the so-called. "meteor radio communication". And it was the plasma that interfered with the reception of missile telemetry - the torch shielded. Etc.

    Sky Strike fighter August 11, 2019
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    Excuse me, but who is Latynina? And who is even interested in her opinion? It's just ridiculous.


    Colleague, here you are very wrong. Unlike you and me (ordinary “forum plankton”), Latynina is one of the leading journalists of the “opposition” media (Echo MSK). No more, but no less.
    It is these people who form the image of reality for a fair portion of the “liberal” opposition.
    Like any Skabeevs and Solovyovs, they “broadcast” pro-Kremlin propaganda.
    The opinion of a respected expert in some serious publication will remain unheard by the majority. And they will hear the propaganda. There is a certain tragedy in this, because... the opinion of people on both sides (!), smart, fairly restrained, will not be heard, and this sounds very loud and intensifies mutual hatred: some are ready to “burn out the liberals with a flamethrower” (as someone expressed their readiness in one of the threads), while others ready to destroy Russia “to the ground, and then...” - it doesn’t matter. The main thing is to get to the bottom.
  70. -1
    12 August 2019 14: 11
    Quote: Tcheluskin
    Cunning plan: Voice it through the mouths of senior officials and trumpet in the media that we have a nuclear starship. Then blow up something somewhere and report that one and a half employees of Rosatomkosmos were injured in the process. Also throw in information that background radiation in the surrounding area has increased 10 times - firstly, who will check this; and secondly, such an increase in background is not dangerous to health. The pro-Western media themselves will trumpet that it was a nuclear spaceship that exploded during testing. And everyone will know that we definitely have it (even if it allegedly has problems during testing), and they will be afraid)) (Just kidding.)

    You should be drowned in the toilet for such jokes. And then, of course, make a joke.
  71. 0
    12 August 2019 14: 11
    “The oscilloscope pointer” is not only in terms of weapons... Also in history too... Interest in it disappeared a long time ago, after it “multiplied the “poor fellow” Luttwak by “zero”. The professor tried, created the work “The Grand Strategy of the Byzantine Empire”, and the “arrow...”, passing by, simply announced - there was no empire.. that’s the point..
  72. 0
    12 August 2019 14: 21
    Quote: grumbler
    As on Channel One, the director of the air defense museum seriously explained that the hypersonic projectile would not be visible to radars because... it was surrounded by a cloud of plasma. Not bad?

    He says it right. A cloud will be visible, the area where he is located. And, depending on the characteristics of the plasma cloud itself and the radar, larger or smaller in size, more or less blurry, and visible on any (LI???) radar? It will be difficult for hustlers who dream of hitting such a projectile with a kinetic weight to guess where the hell the target itself is located. and not her shadow?
    We talk about the SHAPE of the fighter's fuselage and the paint formula with which it is painted and agree that it is, of course, absolutely invisible. Are we not in the most stupid position, collecting all this into a heap and not disassembling it into its component parts?
    1. 0
      12 August 2019 14: 58
      Do you think that based on the shape of a plasma cloud it is impossible to very accurately calculate the most probable position of the object creating it? Moreover, your “kinetic weight” will most likely be blown up on approach to produce a beam of high-speed destructive elements.
      -------------------------------------------------
      And in fairness, I note that the name “Oscilloscope Arrow”, in my opinion, is a typical form of self-irony and a slight provocation of listeners (considering that, in addition to historians of technology, other citizens know that an oscilloscope cannot have an arrow, then in this context “oscilloscope arrow” " sounds like an oxymoron).
      This is very typical for the educated public; such a common “friend or foe” signal is recognized instantly.
      Examples: on Echo there was a program “Full Albats” - this is how the author Evgenia Albats crossed a shy intellectual obscenity (“full paragraph”) and her last name. Or a very nice and useful program on "Mayak" about the dacha life of Thekla Tolstoy "Dacha. Seasonal program without beets, with Thekla... Tolstoy" (Fekla-beets).
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    1. +1
      12 August 2019 15: 03
      Quote: Karislav
      Oh, what else happened there??! and, review, why are we silent??!


      They haven’t yet studied the Ministry of Defense training manual on how to explain to the population the renaming of Burevesnik as a flying Chernobyl... and why now fish can’t be caught in the White Sea...
  74. +1
    12 August 2019 14: 59
    During the period from August 10 to October 10 in the White Sea along the coast of the Onega and Dvina bays (Arkhangelsk region) it is forbidden to use fish-harrowing, draining and stationary tools for fishing, the press service of the Kenozersky National Park reports.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2019/08/12/dvina/

    Now, before you buy a jar of fish or fresh frozen fish, we carefully check it with a radiometer.
  75. 0
    12 August 2019 16: 48
    Quote: grumbler
    Do you think that based on the shape of a plasma cloud it is impossible to very accurately calculate the most probable position of the object creating it? Moreover, your “kinetic weight” will most likely be blown up on approach to produce a beam of high-speed destructive elements.
    -------------------------------------------------
    And in fairness, I note that the name “Oscilloscope Arrow”, in my opinion, is a typical form of self-irony and a slight provocation of listeners (considering that, in addition to historians of technology, other citizens know that an oscilloscope cannot have an arrow, then in this context “oscilloscope arrow” " sounds like an oxymoron).
    This is very typical for the educated public; such a common “friend or foe” signal is recognized instantly.
    Examples: on Echo there was a program “Full Albats” - this is how the author Evgenia Albats crossed a shy intellectual obscenity (“full paragraph”) and her last name. Or a very nice and useful program on "Mayak" about the dacha life of Thekla Tolstoy "Dacha. Seasonal program without beets, with Thekla... Tolstoy" (Fekla-beets).

    To guess without having any idea about the size, density, or reflectivity of the plasma at specific radio frequencies of the locator that it is trying to examine is, at least, stupid. If you have seen on the Internet or on TV the trail of a falling artificial satellite, elements of space stations (a fascinating sight, isn’t it?), then you will find a kilometer-long fiery trail, which is that plasma trail.

    Next, at what speed does the anti-missile need to move in order to catch up, at least at an angle to the projectile’s path, in order to do its sacred task - hit a projectile that is several meters long and part of a meter in diameter? Smart people say that the speed should be at least one and a half times greater. What about the heat resistance of the shell and the power of the engines, in order to give a speed of 1,5 * 27 M = 40,5 M and not burn out?
    I foresee the proposal to shoot directly in the forehead, and then speed is not needed at all. You know, he himself will break on the suspended weight. My answer is, how many points from which you can make such a somersault do you need to have, and even on such a territory as, say, the territory of Germany, so that you can hit a launched hyperprojectile from any direction? Is the answer clear? No, YOU NEED TO CATCH UP, not be cunning.
    1. +1
      13 August 2019 10: 32
      Quote: sibiryak.vitya
      Next, at what speed does the anti-missile need to move in order to catch up, at least at an angle to the projectile’s path, in order to do its sacred task - hit a projectile that is several meters in length and part of a meter in diameter? Smart people say that the speed should be at least one and a half times greater.


      Well, it’s not always right to use another crowbar against a crowbar :)
      It is enough to return to the method tested for intercepting BB in the 60s.
      Speed ​​itself is a damaging factor - all that remains is to create a denser barrier in the path of an object flying at hypersonic speed - in the 60s they tested buckshot of various sizes up to small shaped charges that were guaranteed to destroy a nuclear charge.
      Microwave radiation generators heated the atmosphere in the path of the BB with the goal of overheating and destroying it (HAARP program - High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program).

      My opinion may be wrong, but against high-speed weapons, we must use their own advantages. A small temperature jump due to higher heading density caused by energy weapons (laser or microwave) will lead to increased radome erosion.
      Among the mechanical ones - placing passive aerosols of high density along the course - although this method requires too much field length and is very labor-intensive.
  76. 0
    12 August 2019 16: 56
    Quote: nesvobodnaja
    She, of course, is not beautiful, but she never claimed the role of a socialite.
    Sometimes she sincerely wrote something intelligible. She performed on TV periodically.
    Unfortunately, a rather talented person reduced his analysis to linear statements, and this certainly does not color her.

    An interesting definition is “linear”. A definition that defines nothing. BUT IT GIVES WILD ACADEMICITY!

    “In this fact, the whole essence of Russian liberalism of the kind that I am talking about is expressed. First, what is liberalism, if we speak at all, if not an attack (rational or erroneous, this is another question) on the existing order of things? Well, so my fact is that Russian liberalism is not an attack on the existing order of things, but an attack on the very essence of our things, on things themselves, and not on order alone, not on Russian orders, but on the very Russia. My liberal has come to the point that he denies Russia itself, that is, hate walks and beats his mother. Every unfortunate and unsuccessful Russian fact excites laughter and almost delight in him. He hates folk customs, Russian history, everything. If there is an excuse for him, except that he does not understand what he is doing, and he takes his hatred of Russia for the most fruitful liberalism (oh, you often meet with us a liberal who is applauded by the rest, and who, in essence, is the most ridiculous, most stupid and dangerous conservative, himself does not know that!). This hatred of Russia, not so long ago, was taken by other liberals almost as a true love of our country and boasted that they saw better than others what it should consist of; but now they have become more frank and even the words "love of the fatherland" have begun to be ashamed, even the concept has been expelled and eliminated as harmful and insignificant. "
    F.M. Dostoevsky.
    The comrade knew what to write, how to write and about whom to write. Learn. Don't waste your time sticking words where they don't belong.
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  78. -1
    12 August 2019 18: 23
    But in general, I would like to ask those who are responsible for this - WHY was such a dangerous product tested not at the Novaya Zemlya test site, but near populated areas?
    1. 0
      13 August 2019 11: 35
      What if the “top secret” product bucks and crashes into the abyss of water, and the adversary is right there? And will he find out all the secrets? There have been cases, the enemy does not sleep. It’s easier to brush it off near your own shores, apparently.
  79. 0
    13 August 2019 14: 28
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    Quote: sibiryak.vitya
    Next, at what speed does the anti-missile need to move in order to catch up, at least at an angle to the projectile’s path, in order to do its sacred task - hit a projectile that is several meters in length and part of a meter in diameter? Smart people say that the speed should be at least one and a half times greater.


    Well, it’s not always right to use another crowbar against a crowbar :)
    It is enough to return to the method tested for intercepting BB in the 60s.
    Speed ​​itself is a damaging factor - all that remains is to create a denser barrier in the path of an object flying at hypersonic speed - in the 60s they tested buckshot of various sizes up to small shaped charges that were guaranteed to destroy a nuclear charge.
    Microwave radiation generators heated the atmosphere in the path of the BB with the goal of overheating and destroying it (HAARP program - High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program).

    My opinion may be wrong, but against high-speed weapons, we must use their own advantages. A small temperature jump due to higher heading density caused by energy weapons (laser or microwave) will lead to increased radome erosion.
    Among the mechanical ones - placing passive aerosols of high density along the course - although this method requires too much field length and is very labor-intensive.

    More dense environment.
    Suggest an option for producing such a medium within a few seconds on the path of a projectile flying towards an object. Because there is no point in doing this far BEFORE the approach, because the cost of such a voluminous cloud of something.....Next. How will a difference of several degrees affect a body enveloped in plasma of 2 thousand degrees. In order for it to be at all noticeable, the volume of that medium must be....... For, the time of flight of such an area will be measured in milliseconds.
    And finally. The density of the shot cloud (shrapnel) must be such that the density between them consists of centimeters. To be sure to hit a projectile of small transverse dimensions. And, multiplying the density (quantity per unit volume) by the volume of the cloud, you will probably get hundreds of tons. And one last thing. The cumulative charge of an anti-missile missile is a direct hit by one body on another. A very doubtful and unlikely event. Detonation at a distance, with anticipation, means ensuring the detonation of a projectile in microseconds. At a strictly specified time. What is impossible is that chemical processes occur at completely different speeds, which cannot be controlled, unlike electrical ones.
  80. 0
    13 August 2019 14: 31
    Quote: karabass
    But in general, I would like to ask those who are responsible for this - WHY was such a dangerous product tested not at the Novaya Zemlya test site, but near populated areas?

    Did you ask? And what did they answer?
  81. 0
    14 August 2019 10: 36
    As I understand it, the author himself turned out to be a delitant. I wanted to criticize Latynina, but I ended up with my nose. After all, no one argued, including Latynina, that there should be pollution. The word "nuclear" can mean many things. There is not necessarily a nuclear reactor there. Moreover, the author is not able to properly explain where the increase in background radiation comes from. It seems that the main goal of the article is to humiliate Latynina, who may have made a mistake about the type of weapon, but was right about the “nuclear power plant.”