Sit and wait for the rains. The officials are right!

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Childhood Pyro


Perhaps, I will start this conversation very far away - from my happy Soviet childhood. The connection between it and the current fires in Siberia, as well as the serious political fire in Moscow is very conditional, and yet it is. Therefore, a small digression, about forty years ago, will be, in the opinion of the author, quite appropriate. You may have another impression, but here, unfortunately, you cannot please everyone ...





Like the vast majority of Soviet children, I grew up on the street, left to myself almost all the time, except for school and the obligatory preparation of homework. Yes, I knew about the bright, beautiful palaces of the pioneers - they were sometimes shown on TV in the Vremya program. There, specially bred children were engaged in excellent circles, made airplanes, robots, rockets, dreamed of conquering Mars and distant galaxies ...

We, the normal ones, played on construction sites, on the territory of the factories (I personally played on the territory of the plant of large-panel housing and ship repair) and in the forest. They played, to put it mildly, quite specifically: it was in my childhood that I learned to make explosive packages from improvised means, to impress girls with manual “nuclear explosions” of rosin, to catch snakes, to make improvised weapon from high pressure tubes.

Do not rush to throw stones at me: I really was a normal child from a normal company. Those who later went to crime and died of drugs, preferred to play in the basements, where they were caught by the district police officers and the staff of the children's police room. But we will not talk about them, unless some other time and on another occasion ...

But the most, probably, our favorite “playground” was the forest. The forest is good, real, Far Eastern: in some directions it was possible to walk for weeks and never cross the road, not meet human tracks. It began literally half an hour walk from the house, so we played there often and quite intensely.

Alas, I have to admit that not all of our games were harmless. Sometimes we become the cause of the most real forest fires. Not on purpose, as it were - it was this way that we were conscious pioneers, all other examples, and up to the sixth class we didn’t even keep a tie in our pockets. But it is very difficult to resist when you have a pocket full of matches, and around is full of dry grass and bushes, will you agree? Let's set fire and extinguish, set fire and extinguish. Sometimes, however, it was not possible to put out, and then a free forest fire began its march along the seaside hills, full of rare and red-booked plants, animals, insects and other living creatures ...

That is, as you understand, I know very little about the problem of forest fires from the side that usually remains in the shadows. I am the same arsonist, who must be "shot, hanged, destroyed, like mad dogs." This I quoted some nature lovers who are now full frolic on the Internet and other media. Just to be on the safe side: when you call someone to hang, think about whether it will affect your own family. This is not a joke: my parents had no idea about exactly what I was doing and how many times a day I was risking my life on average (solely by stupidity, of course).

One of our arson I remember particularly strongly. It seems to be nothing unusual: they set fire to dry grass near the side of the road, which was passing under the slope of a hill. The wind was blowing a little, it seemed, just to the side of the slope. Lush dry vegetation took up very quickly and the flame almost immediately became huge, burning, uncontrollable. Caught up by the passing wind, the fire rapidly went up the slope. Why did he go there - he flew up at him with a speed that was available except for the Olympic champion in running. From the fire from time to time came the heart-rending dying squeak of small living creatures taken aback — not like rats, not like chipmunks, or anyone else.

And then I suddenly realized that the fire is scary. My child's intellectual was enough to clearly realize that if a person were higher up the slope, he would not have any chance to escape. And we are also very lucky that none of our company of juvenile arsonists was in the way of fire.

It seemed that it was not only me who was getting through, because the more we did not play with the burning of dry grass in the forest ...



Nothing censorship


Now, when hysterical voices are heard more and more strongly that it is necessary to extinguish forest fires at any cost, sometimes located at a distance of hundreds or even thousands of kilometers from the nearest housing, I consider it very important to voice these memories. At least for one thing only: people, please understand that a forest fire can be very, extremely dangerous. And every flight to the fire of the forest guard employees could potentially result in death or even death. Just a changed wind, unfortunate relief, which is difficult to take into account for smoke and stinging, and everything - the wall of fire begins to rapidly catch up with the person, and no backpack “pshikalki” will help him, he will simply burn in terrible agony if he is not lucky to lose consciousness before choking.

And if we consider that often the larch forests are burning, that is, even if specific, but needles, the situation is even worse there. If you have ever burned a Christmas tree, then this is already enough to understand: a fire in a coniferous forest, the so-called “horse”, is spreading at a very high speed even in calm weather. And don't let the word “horse” mislead you - yes, the crowns are burning, but it's still impossible to survive down there, neither the temperature, nor the burning of oxygen, nor the huge amount of combustion products that kill everything except some plants.

Therefore, I can’t say anything about censorship “extinguish at any cost”, sorry. Just because it can be the price of human lives. And even with the scale of the fires sounded a considerable number of them ...

Already really sick of serdoboltsev, telling how the tree sore and how it should be saved. At the same time, the ass of the Serdobol is sitting on a wooden stool, he himself settled at a wooden table, his apartment is full of wooden furniture, and to top it off, he may be a vegetarian. But conscience does not forbid him to eat vegetation, after all, it’s not painful to the kohlrabi, but oh-oh, it hurts the tree ...

The area of ​​forest fires in Siberia has reached, according to some information, 3,5 million hectares. The figure is terrible, but not everyone understands. So let's translate it into measures that are more familiar to us ...

A hectare is not a square kilometer, as some victims of the Examination erroneously think. A hectare is the square of 100x100 meters. Accordingly, in a square kilometer is placed 100 hectares. Whoever does not believe, let him multiply 10 horizontally by 10 vertically. Consequently, the fire area is approximately 35 thousand square kilometers. This is a lot, it is almost three-quarters of the territory of the Moscow region. But still it is less than burned out in record years.

Siberia is burning! Extinguishing volunteers required!


Now as to whether to extinguish or not to extinguish. Let's start with the fact that it is simply impossible to extinguish a burst-out Siberia with human forces. Neither the “flying tankers” IL-76, nor the troops of the brave paratroopers are simply physically unable to do this. Under no circumstances, I emphasize, even with the round-the-clock work of every single aircraft and people. Moreover, if the weather favors fires, their area will still increase. And nothing (I’ll emphasize it again) isn’t done with them.

Save can only large-scale rain. Or shamans who promise to bring these rains. But here, really, only to them and to address, there is no one to whom. Or do you want the officials to solve the rain issue? Well, let's make them do the most effective in this situation: turn to the shamans. Let the governors personally come to everyone and help to knock on the tambourine. Let Medvedev ask Chubais to make a nanotech tambourine with Internet access and an 9G router, and then he will dance with him somewhere on the banks of the Yenisei or Lena.

This, except for jokes, in this situation will be the most rational and adequate. Because everything else is even more stupid and funnier. Or worse ...

Yes, citizens, we must sit and wait for the rains. And the officials, who for a long time covertly sent us to famous letters, were once and for all right. I, who wrote dozens of devastating articles about our government, now I can only wish him patience and good luck. Send us the forest, Dmitry Anatolyevich!

And even better would be to announce a large-scale gathering of volunteers. Anyone who cannot live without the extinguishing of the Siberian taiga, promptly equip them with knapsack pshikalki, give a parachute, a supply of food and a compass and throw into the thick of it. Let the disease, stew.

Only it seems to me, there will be very few volunteers. In any case, Wang, that of the popular bloggers and oppositionists there will not be anyone ...
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  1. +36
    3 August 2019 04: 30
    You won’t return the forest, but everyone in this filthy chain should answer in full - whoever cut down the forest, who sold, who covered it, with whose supply it was set on fire, and most importantly, who made it so that it was not profitable to extinguish it - all the covers and those involved in this shit - up to the president - they must respond not with house arrests, but in full. Specifically, who to voice. Not any condescension. Now they will start looking extreme and dummy.
    1. +51
      3 August 2019 04: 48
      And let them impose a map of illegal deforestation on the fires. Or do we have no satellites? Of course, not the main cause of fires is the concealment of forest theft, but it also has a place to be. winked
      1. +14
        3 August 2019 06: 06
        I propose to send the Moscow riffraff to extinguish, let them show their ability to fight.
        1. +8
          3 August 2019 06: 38
          Every year is blazing, and things are still there. Everything is as if for the first time! The authorities and the mustache do not blow. Burning - yes burn it in abyss!

          It's no joke, the territory is burning with France, and Trump is already offering help here ... but our king still doesn't need anything. How fabulous! And what are his problems? It burns, well, let it burn. And for the slaves, there is enough "news" about how the created group of planes is successfully coping with a fire. At this point, efforts have been exhausted. Anything over and above is unnecessary.
          1. -17
            3 August 2019 08: 38
            Quote: Stas157
            And for slaves, there is enough "news" about how the created group of planes is successfully coping with a fire

            Man, can you refute these messages? Or again - pure poke?
            1. -12
              3 August 2019 09: 02
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              And for slaves, there is enough "news" about how the created group of planes is successfully coping with a fire

              Comrade from the slaves ... Because he wants to be the director of the pumping station .. Therefore, he is boring here ..
            2. +23
              3 August 2019 10: 33
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              Or again - pure poke?

              Quote: 30 vis
              Comrade from the slaves ...

              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              But why are you not on fire, are you conscious?

              One has only to write something unpleasant about the rower in the galleys, so these offended freaks immediately appear. Stung in the best feelings for their master, they immediately turn to the individual and rush to the attack.

              P.S. Pussycat, hello! Well done, you react as usual first! Only one thing is not clear if you want (trying) to start a dialogue with me, why do you send administrators complaints after that? Not solid.
              1. -22
                3 August 2019 11: 01
                Dialogue?
                What kind of dialogue is there with you?
                You have not even read the article. Only the title and picture.
                For dances with a tambourine around power this is yours enough.
                If your earthquake happened, Putin would still be to blame.
                There is only one dialogue with such - to shovel in hands and forward, put out the forest.
                1. +4
                  3 August 2019 11: 36
                  Quote: Mestny
                  Dialogue?
                  What kind of dialogue is there with you?

                  Why then respond to my comment, flood cleanly? By the way, all the dialogues end with your brethren.
                  1. -4
                    3 August 2019 14: 00
                    Quote: Stas157
                    with your brotherhood.

                    This fraternity, unfortunately, is a few of the remaining members of the VO, who still vaguely remember that the resource was once a military-patriotic one. But why there are more and more "your brethren" here every month is an interesting question.
                    PS Kuzovkov thank you so much for the article, as I swallowed air. No smoke. Well, at least so far from taiga fires, and not from tires.
                    PPS Kotu my sincere respect for the firmness of conviction and the acuteness of the syllable hi good
                    1. +17
                      3 August 2019 17: 20
                      Military patriotism does not mean that you always have to justify power and officials, but for those who mean bourgeois patriotism, the last refuge of villains
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                2. -1
                  5 August 2019 22: 03
                  Ingvar 72 (Igor)
                  His tactic is to provoke emotions, and then scribble a sneak. A man with a "capital" letter!
                  Yes! Igor. And sometimes I can with you in the counter. But this shot is the only way.
              3. -14
                3 August 2019 12: 07
                Quote: Stas157
                One has only to write something unpleasant about the rower in the galleys, so these offended freaks immediately appear.

                It is a very convenient position to jump onto the "galley rower and freaks .." Maidau defense .. - "Tse is all to blame" ..
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                      9. 0
                        4 August 2019 11: 01
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        That's just the last time I have to state

                        So it’s civilized. And one on one it is for their own. For strangers, our children are beaten.
                  2. 0
                    3 August 2019 14: 28
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Dear administrators, I ask you to publish here the history of my complaints.

                    He accomplished the feat of arms, burned down the house, and where are the complaints? One nagging of yours on the VO site is the COMPLAINT to both mother and father, and grandfather, and woman. wink
                    1. +3
                      3 August 2019 14: 31
                      Quote: Not bad
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Dear administrators, I ask you to publish here the history of my complaints.

                      He accomplished the feat of arms, burned down the house, and where are the complaints? One nagging of yours on the VO site is the COMPLAINT to both mother and father, and grandfather, and woman. wink

                      You are already weak. Tap on quietly.
                      1. -3
                        3 August 2019 14: 44
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        You are already weak. Tap on quietly.

                        So they usually knock "on the sly", and your "snitching", that is, an appeal to the admins, this is posturing and projection, that's what they say, I climbed naked into the nettles and on the lapel of my jacket I already prepared a hole for the order, as they say cheap and angry. wink
                      2. +3
                        3 August 2019 14: 47
                        Quote: Not bad
                        and your "snitching" is an appeal to the admins

                        Yes, the logic "smokes" .... Remember - they do not knock on themselves. fool
                      3. -3
                        3 August 2019 14: 53
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Remember - they don’t knock on themselves.

                        Well, you know better, it seems that you understand and not bad at the options of knocking, we won’t be nervous my joy and manipulate your finger more carefully at the temple, otherwise you’ll make a hole in your head. wink
                  3. +8
                    3 August 2019 15: 58
                    And I will add a request to the respected administration in a place with a preface to inform the name of the complainant who will support me ?!
                    1. +5
                      3 August 2019 16: 18
                      Quote: bondrostov
                      And I will add a request to the respected administration in a place with a preface to inform the name of the complainant who will support me ?!

                      I will "hold" smile . Are you a man or not a man, or a muscular young lady? I agree that for some questions the VO website is a Brest Fortress and for some reason I don’t see traces of past battles and shell shock on you, followed by stuttering. My advice is not to wag your tail, don’t lick your hand to the sign of appreciation and your question-offer will disappear by itself. hi
              5. 0
                4 August 2019 21: 14
                Quote: Stas157
                Stung in the best feelings for their master, they immediately turn to the individual and rush to the attack.

                Dear, and who is your master?
            3. +7
              3 August 2019 12: 43
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              can you refute these messages? Or again - pure poke?

              This does not need refutation, this is "and so everyone knows." But wait, probably the Chinese are in sorrow, they certainly do not extinguish fires on those billions of hectares, which yesterday one "comrade" (who is not a friend to us at all) rented out to the Chinese at 6 rubles per hectare.
              1. +4
                3 August 2019 13: 47
                Quote: Less
                who yesterday one "comrade" (who is not a friend to us at all), rented out to the Chinese for 6 rubles per hectare

                Together with Europe, since the 3 lard hectare in the Russian Federation simply does not exist.

                I trudge with these guys, they live in a parallel world, a campaign
          2. +6
            3 August 2019 09: 13
            But why are you not on fire, are you conscious?
            1. +5
              3 August 2019 13: 51
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              But why are you not on fire, are you conscious?

              Pants can smell, the woman will swear a lot for burned holes. And so it does not matter to him, or to invite people to the barricades or firefighters to fire "set". smile
              1. +4
                3 August 2019 18: 02
                Leave the fire extinguishing to professionals in their field - the rest there is nothing to do.
                1. 0
                  4 August 2019 13: 32
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  the rest there is nothing to do.

                  Well, how - and to lead and direct? fellow And then, tiredly wiping the virtual soot from his forehead: "They did it ..." laughing
          3. +3
            3 August 2019 12: 02
            and put out what and how are the proposals? invent a magic wand? in fiery anger did not try to just think for a start?
            1. +1
              3 August 2019 18: 03
              In Bazalt created special bombs to extinguish fires.
          4. +5
            3 August 2019 13: 44
            I will even say more. Blazing several million years. Since the emergence of forests. And mankind is trying to cope with such fires throughout its history. It doesn’t work out yet. Last year, by the way, California burned - the richest place on Earth. And just could not do anything. Over there, even the homes of some Hollywood stars burned out. The maximum that a person can do is to restrain the spread of fires. In fact, it will burn until it reaches natural obstacles or it does not rain.
            Well, you, "slaves", since you are so preoccupied - go and help extinguish. There are always not enough people there, there are no extra hands. Although, why am I talking nonsense. It's much more convenient to fight a fire from the sofa, right? wink
            1. +4
              3 August 2019 19: 07
              Quote: g1v2
              The maximum that a person can do is to restrain the spread of fires.


              Put out, the option is not considered? What’s interesting here is that the government responded to the fires only after a great public outcry, and when a lot of people signed a petition to introduce an emergency regime in Siberia (now, by the way, more than a million people signed it), and in social networks people began to show activity and try to pay attention states on this problem. Before this week (and even more) the forest was burning, officials pretended that everything was fine, one of the governors even spoke out that it was harmful to extinguish and only after a resonance - the state woke up and began to enter the emergency mode in the regions, connected the army and others, etc. .. ... and what prevented the earlier reaction? Now, then of course, the authorities say that there is not so much money and resources to eliminate fires in such an area, but the fire did not immediately take on such a scale, right? As for the West, we are neither cold nor hot from their actions or inaction, we live in Russia and we must protect what we have so that children and grandchildren have something to leave.
              1. +2
                3 August 2019 20: 45
                In fact, it is precisely more PR. Connecting the army, etc. Citizens expressed indignation - the state reacted. You can put out small forest fires and new outbreaks. When they are large, they are essentially restrained until the weather changes and then they subside, and the Ministry of Emergencies extinguishes the remains and small foci. All these actions here - PR in front of the population to reassure him and in many ways the transfer of funds that will be needed later.
                Well, as for the area of ​​forests, so Russia is the only large state in which the area of ​​forests is not decreasing, but increasing. How to avoid such big fires - xs. Well, except that dig artificial canals and rivers, which will become a natural obstacle to new forest fires. request
                This is by the way flowers. Something this year still normally peat bogs did not blaze. Sooner or later, in dry weather, they will begin to smolder. How to avoid this - xs.
              2. 0
                3 August 2019 21: 45
                Here is the most important question:
                and what prevented you from reacting earlier?

                and you are absolutely right:
                the fire didn’t immediately take such proportions

                Well, from here all the other questions follow, starting with the question "What to do now?"
              3. 0
                4 August 2019 21: 18
                Quote: Aleksandr21
                Put out, the option is not considered?
                -considered, but alas ..
                I saw little forest fires, but the steppe as much as you like, every year the steppe burns ...
                And even putting it out is difficult enough. Dipping, spills with water do not always help - it is enough to be a strong wind.
                So that you imagine a steppe fire in a strong wind leaps rivers easily... and the propagation speed is much higher than the grassroots forest fire.
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          6. +3
            3 August 2019 20: 11
            500 km to the nearest town, wild taiga, swamps and windbreaks, there are no roads and never have been, not even country ones.
            Will you go stew?
          7. +5
            3 August 2019 20: 43
            Quote: Stas157
            To do anything over is unnecessary

            some arguments are pretty reasonable for them. Another thing is that many things are covered at the highest level - pensions, utilities, timber, energy, renting wells, etc.. It infuriates that no one at the top talks about children and grandchildren, about how much oil and gas left sad
          8. -1
            3 August 2019 21: 36
            There, below, I described in detail how a person who worked in the industry, let it burn, is even useful for updating the forest. But Trump, let his Florida extinguish, but somehow there are more people living in the desert floor and there are not so many forests. It makes sense to extinguish the forest only where many people live and the forest is cut down intensively, and to extinguish the endless taiga that has already burned for millions of years before us and will burn and further the forest is necessary for its optimal development.
          9. 0
            5 August 2019 00: 07
            To do anything over is superfluous.
            Suggest options ...
            Trump offers help here ...
            Is it worth it?
            Do you know how the West provides humanitarian aid to the starving? link:
            https://forum.ykt.ru/viewtopic.jsp?id=2588490
      2. +11
        3 August 2019 06: 31
        You say it, but then you have to open it up, and this is oh, how "not good" for the created forest system. The information written off from satellites in Siberia will most likely be imposed with such a stamp. All are mixed up, to one degree or another. Inaction is a waste of time.
        1. -4
          3 August 2019 11: 01
          And what a joy! Such an excuse to shout.
      3. 0
        3 August 2019 07: 40
        Quote: siberalt
        And let them impose a map of illegal deforestation on the fires. Or do we have no satellites? Of course, not the main cause of fires is the concealment of forest theft, but it also has a place to be. winked

        Truth
      4. +11
        3 August 2019 10: 55
        Quote: siberalt
        And let them impose a map of illegal deforestation on the fires. Or do we have no satellites? Of course, not the main cause of fires is the concealment of forest theft

        Doubtful statement. It will not work to hide the plot with stumps with the help of a fire. a sawn stump, it is a sawn stump, and besides, on this plot there is nothing to burn except for branches and tops. A man-made fire is most likely a preparation for theft of a forest. Paying for a cutting site for standing timber is much more expensive than paying for cutting a burnt forest. There is a category of forests located in the protected area along the rivers, which cannot be cut alive, with the exception of sanitary felling, but as a burnt forest it is possible because this will prevent the development of a population of insect pests and will prevent a fire in a burnt dry land. Under this business, you can also spend budget money, muddying a contract with some kind of "necessary" organization that will win the tender for cleaning the burner and carrying out reforestation work. In fact, in a mature and overmature forest, only the crowns and a little bark are burned, which is removed at the sawmill in a croaker (obapol) and the output is good expensive lumber. The wider the fire zone, the less bureaucratic obstacles and bans on logging, so there is a commercial and criminal nature. Judging by the fact that no measures were taken to extinguish, there is also the interest of the leadership of the regions at the highest level.
        1. +4
          3 August 2019 11: 54
          Nyrobsky:
          this is most likely a preparation for forest theft

          And in the Krasnoyarsk Territory and Yakutia, they are also illegally cutting into pieces? (This is a question without sublets - I just don’t know and can’t imagine how to take out the forest from there later).
          It seems to be the main zone of predatory felling - Transbaikalia and further east, but there it burns less now. Here, indeed, law enforcement officers need to work.
          1. +1
            3 August 2019 13: 39
            Quote: OldMichael
            Transbaikalia and further east, but now it burns less.

            Look at the deforestation on Google maps, you can see them when approaching, and compare them with the fire map. It is there that the bulk of the forests burn. Above Baikal.
          2. +3
            4 August 2019 11: 18
            Quote: OldMichael
            Krasnoyarsk Territory and Yakutia are also illegally cutting

            Sunday, August 04, 2019
            KRASNOYARSK TIME
            It is ordered to burn Siberia!
            The Governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, Alexander Uss (like many other "successful" individuals, are growing their millions from the Russian forest) said that fighting fires often does not make sense, since this is "a common natural phenomenon."
            Video revelations appeared on the Internet testifying that the forests were being set on fire. And to blame all this for careless mushroom pickers does not work - the scale is gigantic. Groups of domestic saboteurs deliberately set fire to the forest and organize their very high people. What for? To hide the extent of logging, including illegal. To cheaply buy a tan.
            Tatyana Davydenko (former chairman of the Audit Chamber) believes that the decision not to extinguish fires may indicate the interests of certain groups. In 2018, wood from the Krasnoyarsk Territory was exported for 48 billion rubles, of which more than 70% went to China. At the same time, taxes were paid only 1,6 billion rubles.
            the prosecutor’s office of the Abansky district of the Krasnoyarsk Territory discovered that healthy forest was cut down in the region on an area of ​​130 hectares under the guise of being damaged by fires.
            1. +3
              5 August 2019 18: 09
              Quote: naidas
              Governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory Alexander Uss

              Finally he dashed to the chair, for a long time he strove for him, and even with the Swan he was butting the deceased for him. Now his hands in such a rich region are untied.
          3. +2
            5 August 2019 18: 08
            Quote: OldMichael
            And in the Krasnoyarsk Territory and Yakutia, they are also illegally cutting into pieces? (This is a question without sublets - I just don’t know and can’t imagine how to take out the forest from there later).

            I propose to buy a ticket for the ship and drive from Krasnoyarsk to Lesosibirsk, such a familiarization trip will be, you will see so much interesting how much forest lies along the banks of the Yenisei. True, after the 2016 fire of the year in Lesosibirsk, there are fewer stacks, but still interesting.
        2. +5
          3 August 2019 11: 54
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Under this business, you can also spend budget money, muddying a contract with some kind of "necessary" organization that will win the tender for cleaning the burner and carrying out reforestation work.

          So it was with us in Togliatti, after the fire in 2010. The forest has not been restored. But the entire burner was cut at an accelerated pace. crying
        3. +1
          5 August 2019 13: 16
          I agree with some clarification - just like in the Urals, in Siberia, this will make sense on the small shoulder of haulage and where there are roads, but it’s impossible to cut otherwise it is not economically profitable. and yes, the value of the plot also depends on its removal from the city - the closer the more expensive.
      5. +7
        3 August 2019 21: 26
        I will tell you as a person who gave forestry 8 years of his life to the ill-fated reform. It is not realistic to hide massive deforestation by forest fires. I was at the scene of such a fire and the person who turned it around received a very substantial fine and a suspended sentence without the right to occupy a similar position. They set fire to the grass in order to later divide the business forest under the guise of sanitary felling. Only this often passes from the grassroots to the horse with the following consequences. Especially this risk is great in spruce forests and forests with dense undergrowth from the bush. Naturally, everything is provided for us before the forest is restored after a fire, especially coniferous quickly, because at the beginning of life they need their grass to not crush. In forestry, there is such a method of stratification of seeds when they are first frozen and then boiled with boiling water so that the seeds germinate in the ground, thereby simulating the natural processes of wintering and spring fires. Without this, many species cannot germinate. It doesn’t make sense to extinguish everything at once, for example, windfalls, nurseries of harmful insects are better to burn out, and also applies to the cirrus forests where the trees themselves begin to fall from the fact that the trunks have rotted. Everything in moderation is necessary, and fires and their extinction should all be without risk to people and nature itself will be built in. Most of the forest is located where there is no possibility for its harvesting where windbreaks lie. And only about 10 parts of the entire business forest is cut down where it is easiest to cut it down. Many places can only be reached in winter or can be transported by helicopter in the river in summer in the summer. Do not mindlessly interfere with the natural process of forest renewal.
    2. -29
      3 August 2019 05: 56
      Quote: siberalt
      And let them impose a map of illegal logging

      understandably. adherents of illegal logging at the head of the column. you are the perfect skakuas - not very smart and well-inspired. you just put a saucepan on your head, and go ahead, overthrow the regime ....
      1. -12
        3 August 2019 06: 12
        As for the satellites, a vague doubt creeps in that if some of them help fight fires, then others can also be "arsonists". Who checks them there - what are they doing! One friend of mine was engaged in solar concentrators as a promising replacement for solar panels. So, in a conversation with me, he once noted that one of his best concentrators, with which he experimented on the territory of his country house, was simply burned up by rays from space. I believe that similar things can happen in relation to the forest. This danger must be borne in mind and something must be done so that it can be dealt with.
        1. +9
          3 August 2019 07: 13
          Quote: bessmertniy
          in a conversation with me, he once noted that one of his best concentrators, with which he experimented on the territory of your country house was just burned rays from space.
          You ̶и̶с̶п̶о̶р̶т̶и̶л̶и̶ made my day! This morning, I need to be evil today, and I will smile.
          The question is: who of the competitors noticed such an insignificant installation, which was placed on the territory of a country house?
          Эти? www.google.com/maps/@38.2388906,-117.3708766,3507m/data=!3m1!1e3
        2. AUL
          +10
          3 August 2019 11: 33
          Quote: bessmertniy
          one of his best hubs with which he experimented on the territory of his country house was simply burnt by rays from space.

          The best protection for concentrators against rays from space is a foil cap. And the hub, and its owner! Many use it. laughing
        3. +7
          3 August 2019 11: 58
          friend was engaged in solar concentrators

          A plastic bottle of water is enough for a fire - just throw it into the dry grass on a sunny day.
      2. +15
        3 August 2019 06: 50
        Quote: BigBraza
        adherents of illegal logging at the head of the column.

        Do you completely exclude this version? Are you ready to give your hand for clipping?
        According to the article - I do not propose throwing fire with the bodies of firefighters, but your arguments about the uselessness of fire fighting are not clear. If China has an army 10 times larger, is it useless to fight them during an invasion?
        1. +5
          3 August 2019 07: 12
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Do you completely exclude this version?

          absolutely exclude. for felling, one small thing is needed - roads and the possibility of its removal. don’t tell about rafting on the river - there all the rivers flow into the Arctic Ocean. so all this rubbish about masking clearings is only suitable for parquet creakliat. the only thing that may have already happened, in particular, in Primorye, is the deliberate arson of the forest with the aim of transferring it to the category of people in need of sanitary cutting. but this option also requires roads, roads, and again roads.
          1. +6
            3 August 2019 07: 20
            Quote: BigBraza
            for felling, one small thing is needed - roads and the possibility of its removal.

            Was it not in the fire zone? belay Where such confidence? There is information - share.
            1. +5
              3 August 2019 07: 23
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: BigBraza
              for felling, one small thing is needed - roads and the possibility of its removal.

              Was it not in the fire zone? belay Where such confidence? There is information - share.

              Of course, I do not claim for all the fires. but judging by the map, so many of them are beyond the reach of ground transportation.
              yes, and more. forest poachers, in principle, are not interested in any "disguise" - if they are not caught by the hand during felling and export, they will then laugh in the eyes of any prosecutor. so he set it on fire in order to transfer the forest fund to another category - this is probably where there are roads. and any nonsense about disguise with nonsense will remain.
              1. +4
                3 August 2019 07: 25
                Quote: BigBraza
                so many of them are beyond the reach of ground transportation.

                Victor, when was the last time you were in the forest? There are a lot of roads, but not one is on the map.
                1. +2
                  3 August 2019 07: 30
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  There are a lot of roads, but not one is on the map.

                  it is around the cities. and it’s not expensive, as a rule, but firebreaks. in the taiga, which is on fire, there’s nothing even close. the maximum in the trash is a primer broken by timber trucks in some kind of clear-cutting, but even that, as a rule, is not very far away even from any road. building hundreds of kilometers of road in the taiga is too expensive for any poacher, even though he was going to cut ten thousand hectares there.
                  1. +10
                    3 August 2019 07: 35
                    Quote: BigBraza
                    it is around the cities. and it’s not expensive, as a rule, but firebreaks.
                    Do you see many cities around?
                    1. +8
                      3 August 2019 10: 00
                      yes there is one of my Ust-Ilimsk missing, the Ilim Group cuts a million cubic meters of forest per year
                      1. -2
                        3 August 2019 13: 59
                        Quote: HaByxoDaBHocep
                        Ilim Group cuts a million cubic meters of forest per year

                        What is so little? Write already - a billion, here you will find many supporters...

                        Vaughn, just now one talented already two areas of the Russian Federation "leased out" to the Chinese laughing

                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        ... in total, China gains control of 3 522 028 000 ha of Russian land, including some protected areas

                        * For reference: the area of ​​the Russian Federation - 1.7 billion hectares request
                      2. +2
                        4 August 2019 04: 45
                        No need to be surprised and not believe .. forest. Fell complexes John Deere. A plan of a million cubic meters per year is the norm .. I myself am also from Ust-Ilimsk, and I know this all by hearsay. The assortment truck Volvo, which the Ilim group has about a hundred cars, brings five to the city in one trip! joints of the forest .. about 80 cubes .. that’s it. Plus assorted rafts and barges by sea (reservoir).
                      3. 0
                        5 August 2019 13: 23
                        you think when you pour the bullets))))))) we have through the forests the same fords that are paired with john dirams walking on themselves from the plots of 15-18-20 cubic meters taken to the site. further foreign cars loaded already duck and then to the eyeballs with a trailer 25 + 25. or do you have a third trailer cling?))))
                      4. 0
                        6 August 2019 19: 29
                        two joints of a four on "me", and three joints on a trailer .. a normal scheme ... already 7 - 8 years such transportation ..
                      5. 0
                        7 August 2019 08: 06
                        on asphalt still no matter where you go, and in the forest with such a load of any road for a day is only enough
                      6. +1
                        9 August 2019 14: 31
                        wrong, the Ilim Group road service makes good dirt roads right to the place of loading
                      7. +3
                        3 August 2019 14: 12
                        countryman .. welcome! also with MD
                    2. +3
                      3 August 2019 14: 11
                      I know this map from and to .. myself from Ust-Ilimsk ...
                  2. +4
                    3 August 2019 19: 52
                    Do not write nonsense. Near Irkutsk, even legal forests are transported hundreds of kilometers on timber carriers. The stolen Chinese are ready to take anywhere. Moreover organized points of reception of the forest by the Chinese outside of large us. points. Documents for the importation of forests into the cities from the Chinese are ready.
                2. -1
                  3 August 2019 14: 00
                  In Siberia? A lot of roads? Yes you! You fly yourself to An-2 for half an hour or an hour and in general there are no signs of human existence. Here in the Leningrad region there are places where only on the turntable you can fly, and there Siberia.
                  1. +6
                    3 August 2019 14: 16
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    In Siberia? A lot of roads? Yes you!

                    Are you a felling map in Google, or you don’t want to see Yandex maps? There are no roads, but there are deforestation.
                    1. -3
                      3 August 2019 14: 26
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      You are a felling map in Google, or you don’t want to see Yandex maps

                      To the studio. The picture, with reference to the coordinates. We are waiting, sir.

                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      There are no roads, but there are deforestation

                      Igor, some thirty years ago I rode a tank on Gorokhovets ... and I perfectly understand the difference between "there is a road", "there is no forest, but there is a swamp" ... well, and other similar nuances, so that my 38 tons drag to the place.

                      I understand that you weren’t given such material in the construction battalion ... well, be more modest already, listen to what smart people tell you Yes
                      1. +2
                        3 August 2019 14: 28
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        To the studio. The picture, with reference to the coordinates. We are waiting, sir.
                        Have you been banned in google maps?
                      2. -5
                        3 August 2019 14: 39
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        To the studio. The picture, with reference to the coordinates. We are waiting, sir.
                        Have you been banned in google maps?

                        Of course not.

                        But somehow I don’t know what did you see there.

                        Questions, complaints, suggestions? wink
                      3. +4
                        3 August 2019 14: 44
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        But somehow I am not aware of what you saw there.

                        Do you have poor eyesight, or poor perception of what you see? The theme was "There are felling sites - there are no roads." This can be seen on the maps.
                        Something you started to "fly" from the topic of conversation, Kitty. Can you drink a course of nootropil? It is even recommended to students. wink
                      4. -6
                        3 August 2019 16: 04
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Do you have poor eyesight, or poor perception of what you see?

                        I have all the rules, it’s you, the campaign, not really.

                        The question for you is exactly the following: where exactly did you see it.

                        Image, coordinates for snapping. We are waiting, sir. I'm sick of repeating it already.
                      5. +8
                        3 August 2019 16: 08
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        where exactly did you see it.

                        I have a picture above. And look at the maps in the vicinity of Ust-Ilimsk. With the approaching felling, thousands of plots are visible.
                      6. 0
                        5 August 2019 13: 29
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        in the vicinity of Ust-Ilimsk

                        where there is a city and there are roads will be cut.
                3. +1
                  3 August 2019 18: 59
                  Have you ever been to the taiga ??? I have big doubts ...
              2. +20
                3 August 2019 09: 31
                Dear Author!
                Forest is not burned to conceal deforestation, but to create their potential. I read about this. Here is a forest, it is impossible to cut it. Set fire, stew. The trunks remain. The bark was burned, but if you remove it, the trunks inside are normal. Such trunks have a much lower price than conventional ones, however, various industries take them with a bang, produce a lot of useful things. It was then said that China was secretly engaged in arson of the Siberian taiga. In order to reduce the cost of wood, which he buys from us. I remind you that China is the world's largest supplier of products from it. Moreover, in recent years he has not cut down a single tree of his own. I also want to remind you that a wood product is not necessarily furniture.
                There are chemists who can tell you what it is made of wood, and do not care how it was before removing the bark - burned or fresh.
                1. +12
                  3 August 2019 10: 23
                  Yes, put the cons - as much as you like! So, I went and read it myself - about what I did not know: www.zaggo.ru/a
                  Burnt wood is good! Ancestors knew this and burned it on purpose. The molten resin closes the pores, sugar burns out, pests do not eat such wood, the burnt wood becomes refractory and takes on various noble shades that cannot be achieved with any color. And it is the furniture makers who use it! And they also make floorboards out of it, sheathe them with walls, ceilings, facades and roofs - they make everything out of a burnt wood!
                  Wood burned to black with a mother-of-pearl shade is called Shou Sugi Ban, and luxury furniture is made from it. Well, and so on.
                  Ancestors especially burned at the stake. Well, or on occasion used the one that remained after a forest fire. Now the tree is burned with gas burners or in an open furnace.
                  By the way, I saw a photograph for a long time - on the occasion of the memorable 2010, I was interested. The road, and along it the burnt Siberian taiga - an endless system, kilometers burnt, without crowns, but whole trunks. Well, really remained to stand?
                  No, I do not claim that all the arson attacks are carried out by the Chinese. But in the comments on long-standing past fires, others stated this - following the interrogation of arsonists.
                  So a special arson of the taiga is possible. And after the foresters were removed, someone really benefits.
                  1. +3
                    3 August 2019 14: 05
                    From accuracy to the other way around. In the burner, bacteria develop at the moment and there is a strong defeat by the larvae of the beetle - barbel. And if he stands on the vine a couple of years before the tumble ... In short: the third grade is not a marriage. This I tell you as the owner of a woodworking enterprise.
                    1. +1
                      4 August 2019 04: 54
                      I support! Gorelnik also handle the problem. The felling whip is being processed, the skidders move the timber onto the buffer, the processors begin to cut the whips into the assortment. Balance sawlog export ... Chains on processors "fly" from burns and ash! And then, on four third-party machines at the factory, the saws fly at a stroke from the burner .. The sharpeners were shocked by the amount of work :))
                2. +2
                  3 August 2019 12: 03
                  Excuse me, but where does the information come from that China has not cut down more than one tree in recent years?
                  1. +3
                    3 August 2019 14: 38
                    And you go to the Network and pick up the truth bit by bit, as I had to do in due time.
                    This truth is that in China it is strictly forbidden to cut down the natural forest, which we have in the taiga. Only sanitary felling is allowed, as well as felling for roads and housing estates. China is so insufficient for its own needs that it buys timber in several countries. And it exports products from it to 200 countries. And yes, being the world's largest supplier of finished wood products, it is purchased mainly from us.
                    We could be such a supplier. But the government is not interested.
                    1. +1
                      3 August 2019 17: 28
                      Strange, I have other information, and Russia is far from being the main wood distributor in China, and they do not chop it only in protected areas.
                      1. +4
                        3 August 2019 21: 01
                        Uncle Vanya Susanin, it looks like you just want to argue with me. Say "No!" I recommend the site m. rusexporter.ru
                        China imports:
                        Russia in the first place - 19,1% ($ 4,47 billion), America - in the second - 13,1%, then New Zealand 8,8% and so on.
                        Taking into account the fact that Russia and China have just concluded a 50-year agreement, which involves cutting a taiga on some completely crazy number of hectares with the possibility of extension (our colleague, a forum man, published it on one of the nearest topics, look for it yourself ), we are pulled far ahead.
                      2. +1
                        4 August 2019 21: 34
                        Quote: depressant
                        taiga on some completely crazy amount of hectares with the possibility of extension (our colleague, a forum man, here, on one of the nearest topics, published it, look for yourself), we are pulled far ahead.
                        -aga-on 3 billion hectare-taking into account the fact that the area of ​​the Russian Federation 1,7billion
                        close of course to madness, but not the amount of ha ...
                      3. +2
                        6 August 2019 21: 38
                        Well, what are you saying, arguing for the sake of argument?
                        After surfing the Internet, here's what I found on this topic - "
                        As for the export of timber to China, in 2016 the PRC imported 22 million cubic meters of timber from Russia, which was 19% for the Russian market. This figure was borne by dishonest citizens, replicating horror stories that Russia has become the main supplier of timber to China. It is not true. China is the biggest buyer of Russian timber, yes, but most of the timber in China is supplied (suddenly) by the United States. The volumes of supplies to China in terms of money equivalent are as follows:
                        • USA: $7,6 billion;
                        • Russia: $4,5 billion;
                        • Canada: $4 billion.

                        This is followed by Brazil, Japan, Finland and others.

                        It turns out that countries are fighting to the death with Russia for sales to China, which among citizens of an ambiguous patriotic orientation are usually used as examples of ideal subsoil and land use. And this despite the fact that Russia, according to the UN FAO report, has a forest area of ​​809 million hectares, Canada - 310 million, the United States - 304 million. It's a paradox, but with almost three times the volume, we cut on a par with the developed countries of the West.

                        In China itself, deforestation is also not prohibited. The People's Republic of China produced just under 100 million cubic meters on its own last year alone. "

                        And you said that they say you can’t cut in China!
                3. 0
                  5 August 2019 13: 32
                  Quote: depressant
                  Dear Author!
                  Forest is not burned to conceal deforestation, but to create their potential. I read about this. Here is a forest, it is impossible to cut it. Set fire, stew. The trunks remain. The bark was burned, but if you remove it, the trunks inside are normal. Such trunks have a much lower price than conventional ones, however, various industries take them with a bang, produce a lot of useful things. It was then said that China was secretly engaged in arson of the Siberian taiga. In order to reduce the cost of wood, which he buys from us. I remind you that China is the world's largest supplier of products from it. Moreover, in recent years he has not cut down a single tree of his own. I also want to remind you that a wood product is not necessarily furniture.
                  There are chemists who can tell you what it is made of wood, and do not care how it was before removing the bark - burned or fresh.

                  there is only one caveat - burned wood must be cut down and processed throughout the year, otherwise everything, firewood. and if our entrepreneur set fire to it, he bought it, cut it down, sawed it on the board and sold it to the Chinese at the usual price, then he already caught super-profit and not the Chinese
          2. +4
            3 August 2019 08: 54
            Good day to all.
            Quote: BigBraza
            one little thing is needed to cut forests - roads

            Here is perhaps the most reasonable comment, most people unfamiliar with forestry are not aware that the logs exported from the territory where there is no equipped road network - until it reaches the forestry complex will become gold (it’s already been mentioned somehow on the forum). And by the way, the article mentions larch (which, incidentally, is the main tree species in Russia), as it were, with buoyancy, it is not very good, this is also the reason why rivers as a transport network disappear.
            As for fires in general, I hope the readers of this article are aware of what is the state of forestry in Russia?
            1. +2
              3 August 2019 10: 25
              Quote: Gaersul
              most people unfamiliar with forestry are not aware that the logs exported from the territory where there is no equipped road network - until it reaches the forestry complex will become gold

              In order to figure this out, it is not necessary to be familiar with forestry, just think a little.
              1. -7
                3 August 2019 11: 06
                Why think? We must yell about power. This is hype. Suddenly, something just give?
              2. 0
                3 August 2019 14: 06
                The Chinese are not so stupid as to take a round log off-road, but so greedy as to process it into coal. And now he was dragged on tracks for transshipment.
                1. -1
                  3 August 2019 16: 08
                  Quote: forty-eighth
                  but so greedy to recycle it into coal

                  That does not change the problems with logistics, which translates into a high price.
                  1. -1
                    3 August 2019 18: 11
                    Coal is perfectly exported on tracks, this is not a round for you
                    1. +2
                      3 August 2019 18: 17
                      Quote: forty-eighth
                      exported on tracks

                      First you need to deliver these tracks to the place, then you need to load it, then take it away.
                    2. +5
                      3 August 2019 18: 27
                      Quote: forty-eighth
                      on tracks


                      Such? wink
                      1. 0
                        3 August 2019 19: 54
                        Quote: Cat Man Null
                        Such?

                        Quote: forty-eighth
                        Coal is perfectly exported on tracks
          3. +8
            3 August 2019 09: 41
            Quote: BigBraza
            for felling, one small thing is needed - roads and the possibility of its removal.

            In fact, the main felling is carried out in winter, and the forest is taken out on winter roads. And perfectly exported.
            1. -4
              3 August 2019 09: 49
              Quote: man in the street
              ... the main felling is carried out in winter, and the forest is taken out on winter roads ...

              What will change from where no roadStill snowing?

              The winter road is the same road, only you can drive along it only in winter when the water has frozen.
              1. 0
                3 August 2019 09: 54
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                What will change from the fact that where there is no road, it is still covered with snow?

                Well, that would start to cut down the forest, one also needs to get there. On foot for 100 miles with an ax, nobody will go down the forest illegally. Therefore, initially the road to the cutting area should be. At least some. That's only in the summer, when it burns, it is absolutely not passing (as luck would have it).
                1. 0
                  3 August 2019 13: 33
                  Quote: man in the street
                  initially the road to the cutting area should be

                  For those who are on an armored car)))

                  Where it burns right now there is not even a path.

                  And tell me what a winter road is .. well, tell me, tell me)))
                  1. +1
                    3 August 2019 14: 18
                    If you are offered to procure for example a million cubic meters of forest without an auction, do you think the road is such a big problem? If you didn’t know, but the forest is felled mainly in winter, and in summer they are exported to sawmills with railway dead ends, and then exported.
                    1. -1
                      3 August 2019 18: 16
                      You can’t even imagine what kind of problem it will become when implementing this site.
                      1. 0
                        5 August 2019 13: 35
                        let it make a road of versts say 500 and take out a million cubic meters of it. 20 years will carry
          4. +13
            3 August 2019 11: 19
            Quote: BigBraza
            absolutely exclude. for felling, one small thing is needed - roads and the possibility of its removal. don’t tell about rafting on the river - there all the rivers flow into the Arctic Ocean. so all this rubbish about masking clearings is only suitable for parquet creakliat. the only thing that may have already happened, in particular, in Primorye, is the deliberate arson of the forest with the aim of transferring it to the category of people in need of sanitary cutting. but this option also requires roads, roads, and again roads.

            Roads, roads ... It is not commercially profitable to lay down stays without years of use, and it’s quite possible to push the winter road to the nearest road or navigable river. In the absence of a winter road, the forest is usually skimmed into a buffer warehouse (that is, a convenient, cleared meadow), where it accumulates in piles, and after winter and frost contribute to the establishment of a winter road, this entire forest is pulled to the sawmill during the winter months. Praying rafting is prohibited, but rafts can be carried. The Vychegda River flows into the Dvina and further into the White Sea, but the rafts of the forest in the opposite direction carry the whole navigation, the same is for certain on the Siberian rivers. According to anyone, there is a commercial interest in these fires, and for people who allowed this, the craving for babos overpowered the self-preservation instinct. It is necessary to remove and judge everyone from the governor to the heads of municipalities and departments whose competence is the issue of forest conservation, ecology, and emergency situations. If at the legislative level for 5-10 years a moratorium on the use of a burner for the manufacture of lumber is introduced, and allowed to use it only on wood chips or firewood with the export of chocks no longer than a meter, then the number of fires will come to a minimum. There are solutions to save the taiga, just officials have no desire.
            1. +1
              4 August 2019 05: 02
              In our Irkutsk region, too, all summer navigation. Boats carrying boats with barges. In the forest, with a sortimentovoz buffer, to the shore, there is transshipment to barges, barges go to the city, there is transshipment to sortiment trucks, and that’s all, the forest is at the timber processing complex :) and in winter, too, from winter roads :)
        2. -1
          4 August 2019 21: 27
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          If China has an army 10 times larger, then an invasion is useless with them fight?
          -It is completely useless, our army is stupidly not enough ...
          only strike nuclear weapons in large cities, alas ...
          1. +2
            4 August 2019 21: 35
            Quote: your1970
            only strike nuclear weapons in large cities, alas ...

            They have the same nuclear weapons, and they will get delivery vehicles to Moscow. In my opinion, the only option is to hit TNW against the advancing troops on its territory and directly along the border. This can sober up China from further exchanges of nuclear weapons strikes.
            1. 0
              4 August 2019 22: 59
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              They have the same nuclear weapons exist, and delivery vehicles to reach Moscow.
              -that's it That's why to hit exclusively at places of possible launch and megacities. To hit the army is pointless, it will be dispersed over a fairly large area
      3. +18
        3 August 2019 08: 01
        Dear author, can you do without insulting your readers? Or should your article not be discussed, being the ultimate truth?
        1. -8
          3 August 2019 11: 09
          He's just in the subject. Wrote an article about this.
          And some readers, completely unaware of what it is, shout out ambitious nonsense while demanding respect for themselves.
          Of course, they do not think that they insult the author with stupid claims.
          1. -1
            3 August 2019 18: 43
            He's just in the subject.

            No, he's just in proportion.
            Anyway, there's a commercial interest in these fires.

            But this is most likely true, since for any crime it is necessary to find out who benefits from it. I agree that there are natural fires and unintentional arson, but there are deliberate arson, and people talk about and make claims to the authorities about such arson. And here the fans of the rower are immediately excited and again they sing a fairy tale about the fact that the rower is not to blame. And by the way, the rower himself has repeatedly stated that he is responsible for everything that happens in the country, and here I agree with him.
      4. +5
        3 August 2019 09: 01
        Despite the fact that I do not agree with different adherents of Navalny and other similar personalities, but they have some reasonable grain - they don’t like power and go to rallies, get their heads from the police, etc., but on a military review, almost every first one writes about how officials stole their money, betrayed their homeland, etc., but at the same time do nothing to reverse this situation, everything was manila.
        1. 0
          3 August 2019 11: 12
          It's simple.
          Those who write themselves did not see a single such official nearby, did not hold documents in their hands, how officials do not know how the work is going on.
          All that they know is taken from the Internet. The veracity of which is known to all.
          It’s one thing to yell on the Internet about a certain official in general, and it’s quite another to approach a real person and shout in his face that he is a thief.
          Without serious reasons in the real world, you can lose your face for this.
          1. 0
            3 August 2019 18: 52
            Stop lying, I myself was an official for a year and a half and I perfectly understood this cohort - they are there because of money, their salary is higher. Yes, there are people there who are not really messengers, but few, I could not work like that and I refused.
            Therefore, I have serious reasons to think badly of them.
            1. +4
              3 August 2019 19: 03
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              I myself have been an official for a year and a half

              Position? Place of work?

              Without this, your words are blah blah blah.

              Quote: Fan-Fan
              they are there because of money, their salary is higher

              Higher than anyone? Which official has a higher salary than a normal programmer in Moscow, for example?

              Quote: Fan-Fan
              I couldn’t work like that and I refused

              Yeah. A year and a half floundered, and still kicked out. IMHO.

              Quote: Fan-Fan
              I have good reason to think

              That's right...
      5. -5
        3 August 2019 10: 30
        Victor, do not pay attention to nerds. I have long had a strong feeling that liberalism has chosen this worthy (and I really hope it will remain so) resource.
        Many thanks for the lyrical digression about childhood! Directly surged ... And games, and self-made weapons ... Saints were years. We were real.
        1. +7
          3 August 2019 10: 59
          Quote: AlexSam
          that liberalism has chosen this worthy (and I really hope it will remain so) resource.

          You first take an interest in the meaning of the word "liberal". Liberation, as you are pleased to put it, criticizes the authorities for being too harsh. Here the authorities are criticized for being too soft and liberal. hi
        2. 0
          3 August 2019 18: 57
          lyrical digression about childhood

          The author used a well-known technique, admitting his childish prank, to show us that he is the same as most of us, that he is "on the board". Yes, maybe he was "his" once, but now the author confidently "drowns" for the power and tries to justify its inaction by any means.
    3. +12
      3 August 2019 07: 20
      and everyone in this filthy chain should answer in full - who cut down the forest,
      So everything burned out and all traces burned out. But the extreme and shells will find, naturally, the governors have nothing to do with it.
      1. +12
        3 August 2019 07: 27
        Quote: Gardamir
        governors have nothing to do with.

        As a rule, he gets a share from this.
        1. -7
          3 August 2019 11: 13
          As a rule, yeah.
          Do you have any documents to show? About the "share"? Or so, hypanut.
          1. +4
            3 August 2019 11: 31
            Quote: Mestny
            Do you have any documents to show? About the "share"?

            Do you have curtained windows in your bedroom, or stained-glass windows in full height? wink
            But seriously, do you think that governors are stupid children who don’t know about illegal logging? There are only two conclusions - either they are incompetent, or in the subject. And the second option is more likely.
            Example - a few years ago near Syzran killed the colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Gosht. Together with the family they killed. This man was known in the Syzran region for protecting all the roadside trade. Chopped loot. Everyone knew about it! The official version of the Gosht murder is the revenge of the criminals. He himself was a criminal, but according to the documents a hero. I feel sorry for the family, but he let them down to death.
            1. -5
              3 August 2019 14: 08
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72

              La la, poplar ... building battalion, you were asked a question:

              Quote: Mestny
              Do you have any documents to show? About the "share"? Or so, hypanut

              I do not hear a cheerful answer wink
              1. +2
                3 August 2019 19: 00
                Roma, look at the palaces in which governors and their relatives live, such palaces are the best "documents" that you ask to see.
                1. -2
                  3 August 2019 19: 18
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  Roma ...

                  i am for mom Yes

                  For you, the stranger is Roman. It says there, look carefully.

                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  look at the palaces in which governors and their relatives live, such palaces are the best "documents"

                  The palaces are beautiful. But I would still have documents about

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  share

                  Divorced you here - sweep that as a broom, do not follow the bazaar ... ugh negative
                  1. 0
                    9 August 2019 21: 02
                    Well, when suddenly catch? Can you apologize? Next to the bazaar ... Ugh ...
      2. -1
        4 August 2019 21: 39
        Quote: Gardamir
        So everything burned out and all traces burned out.
        - even the Unas in the steppe is always visible, the tree was sawn down or broken. And in the forest during a horse fire, hemps may not even burn ...
    4. +7
      3 August 2019 08: 12
      The most destructive and epic fires were on Earth, when no people were still in the plans. The territory burned out in two Europe at a time, non-stop burning was recorded by deposits over the years, not months.

      Siberia burns every year. This is the norm. Just in some a little less, in some a little more. You cannot deal effectively with this at a given technical level. You can defend villages / cities, to finish the centers. But in a global sense it is impossible.
      1. +7
        3 August 2019 08: 30
        You cannot deal effectively with this at a given technical level.

        So the question is not only in effective struggle. Here, on the one hand, and I agree with the author, it needs rain, preferably rain.
        The question is different.
        The whole question stands like this. In the 90s, the words "deputy", "governor", "official", "mayor", "head of administration" were strongly associated with the word "thief". Over 18 and a half years of Putin's power, NOTHING has changed. There is the same association. It is clear that someone simply took advantage of the fires to once again blame the authorities. But the authorities themselves are to blame in this case. If people are recruited into power on the basis of personal loyalty, and they ask how smart they are - well, loyalty and intelligence are different concepts.
        And yet, yes, a week-long nose-picking is very difficult to cover up with the words "lightning-fast spread of fire." Specialists of the fire department will still understand, but ordinary people, who are in the majority, definitely do not.
        1. -7
          3 August 2019 11: 15
          Is power to blame for the laws of nature? And if you just remove it, how immediately the forests cease to burn?
          Wow!
          1. +8
            3 August 2019 11: 18
            Is power to blame for the laws of nature? And if you just remove it, how immediately the forests cease to burn?

            How everything started. Which part is not clear to you in my comment? Do not hesitate, say. While I have free time - I will try to chew it up, comment. Although, if you are from the "Witnesses of the United Russia" sect, then it will be difficult for me to talk to you.
          2. -9
            3 August 2019 11: 33
            Of course power, to whom else. Last year, Putin and Medvedev himself singed dry grass behind my fence. No one else.
            1. +3
              3 August 2019 19: 10
              The inaction of Putin and Medvedev is what angers people. Why they did not organize special services to prevent arson, that's where Rosguard should be sent to the taiga, let them catch arsonists, but it’s not easier for them to catch Navalny.
              1. -3
                3 August 2019 19: 54
                Yeah, the Rosgvardia put out fires, firefighters - poured from the hose to water. But what about the army of cows?
              2. -1
                5 August 2019 14: 01
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                that’s where to send Rosguard - to the taiga, let them catch arsonists

                oh dypak (from Ivan Vasilievich) you propose to plant a person for each hectare?
                here shit in a puddle and not ashamed? so Makar and the Chinese are not enough arsonists to guard
      2. +7
        3 August 2019 14: 26
        Well, let's stop fighting desertification, soil erosion and floods at the same time. What? Rivers overflow for millions of years, everything is quite natural. But you forget that humanity has been changing nature since the invention of the digging stick, and has been fighting against negative natural phenomena since the advent of irrigation. So all arguments from the category “it has always been like this” and “it happens every year” are refuted by the very development of civilization.
        1. 0
          5 August 2019 14: 04
          one more correct one. Well, go ahead, do you need to put out fires in the taiga? need. what would the technique have traveled the road needed? need it. Will the road be cut down? will be. aaaaaa kakaul again gave the whole forest to the Chinese
      3. +4
        3 August 2019 19: 05
        Stop "juggling". Now it is possible and necessary to fight fires, at least to organize a staff of foresters, a fire prevention service and so on. After all, the authorities liquidated the foresters, that's the result, or maybe instead of the National Guard it was necessary to send 300 thousand people to the forestry?
        These are the questions to our main rower.
        1. +2
          3 August 2019 21: 27
          Are you in general in the subject?
          "Putin sent the military to extinguish forest fires in Siberia" - Kommersant
        2. -2
          3 August 2019 23: 16
          Go and organize what’s the problem?
    5. +4
      3 August 2019 08: 26
      The forest will not return


      Tree growth:
      Acacia, birch, willow, maple - 2 meters per year.
      Oak, elm, ash, pine, spruce, larch, walnut - 1 meter per year.
      Fir, linden, cedar - 0,5 meters per year.
      In 30 years there will be normal young growth.

      In Siberia (and not only) it’s been burning for more than a thousand years, it burned even when the forefathers of the foresters still could not make fire, and the satellites lay in the ground in the form of ore.

      Anyone who saw a forest fire will understand that fighting it is like an ax against an electric train.
      The author is right. Which of course does not cancel foresters and firefighters.
      1. +8
        3 August 2019 09: 05
        Well, the forest is restored after 4 centuries or more after complete deforestation because the forest is not only trees.
        Just so much wood dies every time. Maybe it’s worth spending roads and cutting down in such critical places?
        1. +6
          3 August 2019 09: 26
          I agree with you completely. Few people know that in Europe there are more forests now than 300 years ago when they drowned with wood and built from wood. Yew in the form of large trees generally worn out onions.

          Of course, you need to cut smartly, taking into account the sun, wind and other factors, it is desirable to plant something in the place of cutting down. And fires need to be fought, a normal detection system in the early stages, take-off and extinguishing, clearing, etc.
          But who will do this now?

          The price of the new Robinson 44 helicopter is 10 million rubles. 100 helicopters - a billion rubles. Colonel Zakharchenko could buy 1000 helicopters. Pilots are retirees and aviation enthusiasts. For the opportunity to fly and a salary of 30 thousand, they would have closed all of Siberia on detection, especially since the problem is seasonal.
          1. -5
            3 August 2019 11: 17
            I hope you write right from the edge of the fire? Or have you never seen a forest in your eyes, but do you blame it?
          2. +1
            3 August 2019 12: 32
            As for forests in Europe, the following can be said - they are practically not there. All that is there is relatively young plantations that are not correctly called a forest. About Finland, by the way, the same can be said. For 200 years is not a forest.
            On the other hand, fires can also be a natural factor that determines the ecosystem of a particular region. But man is a factor that dramatically increases the number of fires. So it’s necessary to find a balance between non-intervention and actions to prevent fires because fire ditches and clearings also violate the environment
            1. -1
              5 August 2019 14: 09
              200 years not a forest? the needles for 80 gain a presentation. which can already be cut. after 200 she herself will fall
              1. 0
                5 August 2019 19: 08
                Her, not a forest. If you look at the literature on landscape science, you can find out that the forest is a community of plants, fungi, animals and microorganisms. And the trees there are important, but by no means the only part. Communities, in the process of development, are changing and one species of woody plants is being replaced by another. This process is extremely long and by studying species of markers it is quite possible to establish where the forest is virgin and where 300 or more years ago, clear-cutting occurred.
          3. 0
            4 August 2019 21: 47
            Quote: Arzt
            Pilots are retirees and aviation enthusiasts. For the opportunity to fly and the salary of thousands in 30, they would have closed all of Siberia by discovery, especially since the problem is seasonal.
            -the pilots in Siberia for salary in 30 000 rubles ???? !!!!
            fool fool fool fool
            There was a discussion at VO - that the military 100 000 is not enough, but the civilians get 300 ...
            And you with a generous hand to them -
            Quote: Arzt
            the salary of thousands in xnumx
        2. +2
          3 August 2019 10: 28
          Quote: NordOst16
          Maybe it’s worth spending the roads and cutting down in such critical places

          A fire can start anywhere, and it is physically impossible to divide the entire taiga into sections separated by safety bands.
          1. +1
            3 August 2019 10: 48
            I'm not talking about fire cutting, but about cutting in general.
            1. +1
              3 August 2019 11: 50
              Quote: Arzt
              but about deforestation in general.

              I get it, but
              Quote: Arzt
              Fire can start anywhere
              lightning strike and all. How to predict it?
              1. +5
                3 August 2019 12: 34
                A lightning strike is a natural factor, but something tells me that a person starts fires more often
                1. -2
                  3 August 2019 13: 54
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  but something tells me that people often start fires

                  It depends on where. In the woods where crowds of grilling kebabs come - for sure. In the remote taiga, where it’s unlikely to go a month without a helicopter.
        3. -4
          3 August 2019 11: 24
          Much faster. Our forest was chosen in the mid-eighties. Now a decent young forest has grown on the site of logging.
          1. +2
            3 August 2019 12: 33
            This is not a forest, it is rather a plantation. It will take more than one century until the ecosystem is fully restored
            1. 0
              3 August 2019 14: 16
              Nobody planted, self-seeding. Therefore, the boron grew from substandard pine - the trunks are crooked, curved, unsuitable for lumber. But mushrooms grow in full swing.
              1. +1
                3 August 2019 19: 21
                It was about twenty years ago when driving through Altai, there they only planted an artificial forest, 20 centimeters of pines, and last year there, these pines were already 2-3 meters, but still very liquid compared to the wild forest. So wait for a real forest at this place for a long time.
                1. +3
                  3 August 2019 19: 26
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  twenty years ago ... pine centimeters by 20 ... last year, these pines are already meters 2-3

                  These are brake Estooonian pines.

                  Pine, ten-year - 3-4 meters minimum. for 20 years - this is already a really big tree, you can not confuse it with a bush.
                  1. 0
                    5 August 2019 14: 12
                    25 years ago, I was planting several larch trees with a tree on the plot and something else. Now it is already 6-7 meters. the sun grows well a lot
      2. +12
        3 August 2019 09: 08
        Quote: Arzt
        Oak, elm, ash, pine, spruce, larch, walnut - 1 meter per year.

        Where did you get this? belay According to my notes, they grow much more slowly. Maple yes, rushing not by the day, but by the hour, but for 11 years my cedar has grown by only 3 meters. The oak on the back of the plot grew 3.5-15 meters in XNUMX years. And this is not the north, but the middle strip, where the trees grow quickly.
        Quote: Arzt
        Anyone who saw a forest fire will understand that fighting it is like an ax against an electric train.

        Watching how to fight. There is an oncoming fall, there is a clearing device, where previously trees were felled with explosives. And to pour raging flames with a hand-held pump is certainly useless.
      3. +8
        3 August 2019 09: 14
        While the forest grows ... https: //nature-time.ru/2014/01/skorost-rosta-derevev/
        While birds and animals are born ... how much longer will the forests of Siberia be burned to mother? In addition to the natural causes of forest fires, thousands and thousands of little conscious people set fire to, set fire to and will set fire to the forest ... "And what, can’t you?" Shish kebab makers, "homely" peasants, hikers and other drunkenness .. "handy" proprietors ... thieves ..
        1. +5
          3 August 2019 10: 02
          In addition to the natural causes of forest ignition, thousands and thousands of few conscious people set fire to, set fire to, and will set fire to the forest.


          Of course, if we do not stop, the fate of the inhabitants of Easter Island awaits us. There, too, trees were cut down to logs to roll stone gods to the ocean. And then came Tryndets.

          Now the same thing is happening in Madagascar. Aboriginal people think at the Paleolithic level, live under slash agriculture, cook food on charcoal. The island is already bald.
          LJ has a blog https://adderley.livejournal.com/. Ilya Kleimenov, a musician by training, from Siberia, by the way, had already moved in 40 years to live there, married a local, trying to do business and make progress. Very informative in many ways.
          1. -1
            3 August 2019 18: 52
            I looked at his blog really a man lives well, only I would have brought my wife from the house all the same, and it’s very cool there and there are probably almost no cords from any officials "brrrr"!
      4. +4
        3 August 2019 19: 15
        And in Soviet times, they fought fires, for example, fired an artificial head fire.
        Ah, yes these are damned scoops and communists, well, fools, what to take from them.
        But the current rulers are well done - they are waiting for it to go out.
    6. -5
      3 August 2019 09: 16
      Forests in Siberia burn annually. When more, when less. They burned there before the man stood on his feet. Without any arson, enough lightning.
      1. -2
        3 August 2019 11: 19
        Useless.
        They have already appointed the guilty. It remains to wait for the earthquake and that’s all, all free minors will finally understand that enough is enough to endure.
    7. 0
      3 August 2019 10: 34
      Quote: bald
      and most importantly, who made it so that it is not profitable to put it out

      This is already through Patriarch Kirill - the disadvantage (or even the impossibility) of extinguishing comes from the very top, that which is higher than the President and the UN ... It seems that the author stated everything very clearly.
      I spoke about the same thing yesterday, with about the same numbers. They zapped, the stump is clear, and the minusculers cowardly avoid their reasons to voice.
    8. -1
      3 August 2019 13: 37
      It burns mainly a hundred kilometers from the nearest housing. Moreover, at the same time they begin in many places on a large delete. There, no one was cut down and set on fire. Just dry weather and a lot of deadwood. Forest fires are commonplace. How to deal with this - xs. Only if it really rains cause shamans or technical means - anyway.
    9. 0
      3 August 2019 15: 53
      Who benefits from forest fires, read: http://www.forestforum.ru/viewtopic.php?p=60596
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    11. -3
      3 August 2019 20: 36
      Well, how can I say a forest is generally a renewable resource, isn't it.
    12. 0
      4 August 2019 18: 12
      A. Fedorov
      To solve problems with the forest, it is necessary, at the legislative level, to return to the "Forest Code of the USSR" 1976. "
  2. +4
    3 August 2019 04: 48
    Your child’s thinking ... Let's give a joke? Velegozh, Tula region, look how around the Christmas tree and pine. Do you understand that since this is burning, they won’t reach Oka ?! Count how many there. But I haven’t seen a forester there for a long time, yes
    1. -5
      3 August 2019 11: 21
      I wonder how the forester will put out the fire? Unless in a pioneer way.
      1. +5
        3 August 2019 11: 26
        Native. the forester's task is not to put out the fires. And for example, remove potentially fire hazardous places. Imagine, a normal forester will shut you up by education, well, this is how it should be
        What is sanitary felling - you know?
        1. -3
          3 August 2019 11: 30
          Clearing in the Siberian taiga. Still try to make mineralized stripes there. Is that the forces of the First Belorussian and Second Ukrainian Fronts. Years of commercials for three hundred.
          1. +2
            3 August 2019 12: 02
            Kindly wound you - you know who else invented the forest shelterbelts? Andrei Timofeevich BOLOTOV, note, in those years Napoleon, who was a Bonaparte, was written for lack of diapers - in a rag
            1. -3
              3 August 2019 12: 36
              Do you imagine Siberian spaces? I'm afraid that even in the Leningrad region it is impossible to apply the whole range of forest protection measures.
              1. +2
                3 August 2019 13: 23
                Hello. the second education is the Faculty of Ecology of RUDN University, do you know this? So, I had to run, and I looked at the taiga and the tundra. the truth ... The first education is a paramedic. Well, I’ll start with the fact that forests, and steppes by the way. always burned. It’s not necessary with matches, do not believe it, it illuminates from lightning at times
                It is necessary to plant plantations as protection. And yet - in our region, in the middle lane ... Well, I can use my finger to walk along the Prioksko-Terrasky Reserve, next to Serpukhov. and show what needs to be cut. so that the fire risk decreases ... This is an example
                1. -1
                  3 August 2019 13: 30
                  And I happened to fly as a pilot, including for forest protection, over the Siberian taiga. Yes, sometimes it burned where a person’s foot did not step. But most often - the cause of the fire is dry grass.
                  1. 0
                    3 August 2019 13: 54
                    I can say that NOT as a pilot, for example, dangled over the Krasnoyarsk Territory ... Everything got hurt from above, landed - Mimino is resting. believe me
  3. +22
    3 August 2019 05: 10
    You have written so much that you have to answer a lot:
    Do not rush to throw stones at me: I really was a normal child from a normal company.

    Have you read books in your company? Or did you just smoke the Primer in your first grade? There N. Nosov specifically tried:
    I’d better not have a son at all than a thief’s son. - Well, come with me, mommy! It’s dark in the yard. ... - Or bring cucumbers, or leave home completely, you are not my son!

    It seemed that it was not only me who was getting through, because the more we did not play with the burning of dry grass in the forest ...

    Strange, but there were very rare cases when a company played a game who lasts longer to hold a finger in a socket ... belay
    Neither I nor anyone from our company ever had the desire to set fire to dry grass in the forest. Could "indulge" in poplar fluff in the city, and in the forest ...
    Now regarding whether to stew or not to stew. Let's start with the fact that it is simply impossible to extinguish the inflamed Siberia by human forces.

    Let's start with the fact that Siberia is far from Moscow, and we remember very well how peat bogs burned (a few years ago - 2010) and from each iron squealed that the poor residents of Moscow are suffocating from smoke ...
    And then ... Some miserable 3, 5 million hectares ... And, most importantly, they caught fire suddenly, suddenly and at once ...
    And in general, there are some problems with this Siberia: either it fills them with water, then it fries with fire ... Perhaps this is fate ... crying
    One trouble. We are the inhabitants of this very distant, forgotten by the God of Siberia, where Moscow wealth is growing ...
    Only it seems to me, there will be very few volunteers. In any case, Wang, that of the popular bloggers and oppositionists there will not be anyone ...

    And you do not wang. Fire fighters are a risky and dangerous profession. And throwing fire with the bodies of bloggers is just as fair as with the bodies of deputies of the State Duma, thanks to which the forestry of Russia has been left to the disposal of various temporary workers thanks to the legislation they invented.
    My opinion was and is such that any kindling of fire in the woods (fires, bonfires), leading to catastrophic consequences and significant damage, should be punished in the strictest manner. So that there are no stupid thoughts and various shock reactions later ...
    1. +21
      3 August 2019 05: 22
      Such fires are simply required to extinguish by all means! Trump offered help, Pu refused. I do not like the State Department, but in this situation it was possible to work together, with which it was necessary to begin normalizing relations, and 4-5 aircraft to extinguish the fire in this situation did not interfere. But no, we are proud when the fires were small we didn’t do anything, and when the fried cock literally pecked in the ass right away, a dozen aircraft and a bunch of helicopters appeared. What kind of criminal negligence?
      1. +14
        3 August 2019 06: 07
        Quote: Ugolek
        Such fires are simply required to extinguish by all means!

        It is really useless to extinguish a forest fire that has gained full strength. Even with any fire-fighting aircraft that take many tons of water on board, less than 5% of the total amount of these tons is actually useful for extinguishing.
        The only effective way to fight (but it is also not always possible) is to felling the forest at distant frontiers, before the fiery wave approaches, cutting off the fuel sources from the fire.
        1. +2
          3 August 2019 06: 33
          And who prevents to do so?
          1. 0
            3 August 2019 12: 19
            Quote: Ugrumiy
            And who prevents to do so?

            At least the weather (the predictability of this - in particular the wind) and the availability of technical capabilities in general (people, technology - in the middle of the taiga for a couple of hundred kilometers, neither one nor the other will magically appear if there is not even a small large settlement nearby). Finally, enough time to organize a cutoff.
            That's why he said that - perhapsBut not always. Not always.
        2. -1
          3 August 2019 18: 34
          The Be 2500 can cope with effective fire fighting with a load capacity of 1000 tons, but the problem is that no one will build such a machine - according to the most conservative estimates, this seaplane - an ekranoplan would cost about 600 billion rubles along with R&D - but in reality it would be just a water cannon against fires
      2. +7
        3 August 2019 06: 07
        Quote: Ugolek
        Such fires are simply required to extinguish by all means! Trump offered help, Pu refused

        If I’m not mistaken, it was said that we will help if necessary.
        It seems that in the 2015 year, Russia was offering the United States assistance in extinguishing forest fires in California. The United States responded in the same way.
      3. +3
        3 August 2019 07: 45
        could cooperate
        And they are collaborating. Well, at least the same cosmos, and Russia regularly brought money to America. I think in many areas
        1. -2
          3 August 2019 08: 42
          Quote: Gardamir
          And they are collaborating. Well, at least the same cosmos, yes and Russia regularly brought money to America

          No well don’t throw it - you just can’t... MoskvAch, you are incorrigible request

          Quote: Gardamir
          I think ...

          ... exactly? wink
          1. 0
            3 August 2019 19: 31
            This is when the truth became a sketch on the fan? Probably when the trolls appeared?
            1. +2
              3 August 2019 19: 44
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              This is when the truth became a sketch on the fan?

              Quote: Gardamir
              ... they collaborate. Well, at least ... Russia regularly brought money to America

              Where is the truth here? What side are taiga fires here?

              That is why the term "sketch" is used.

              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Probably when the trolls appeared?

              Well, it’s better for you trolls laughing
      4. 0
        3 August 2019 09: 17
        Try to put out at least one small peat bog. Before giving valuable advice. This is a very non-trivial task.
    2. +5
      3 August 2019 05: 41
      Yes, the author is normal, for example, I named the place - hell, brother, there is not the Far East ... You go for example for hazel - bang! And on the hillock, an anti-tank mine got out! It was more interesting there, I remember. No, well, all the yard boys, yeah ... True, not from the Far East. It’s just that we were accustomed to answer for our deeds with small things ... Well, we’re not from this, yeah, distant
    3. +5
      3 August 2019 06: 00
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And then ... Some miserable 3, 5 million hectares ... And, most importantly, they caught fire suddenly, suddenly and at once ...

      Not that in defense of the author, but I think this also should not be forgotten:
      "Forest and peat bog fires in the USSR in the summer of 1972 covered more than a dozen regions in the central part of the country on an area of ​​1,8 million hectares [1]. The dry summer contributed to the fact that there were more than 40 thousand forest fires [2]. about 360 thousand people [1] ... including more than 100 thousand servicemen [1] ... On July 20, 1972, by the decision of the executive committee of the Moscow Regional Council of Working People's Deputies, a regional headquarters for fire fighting was created [2 ... By September 1, the development of fires was suspended, by September 10, they were liquidated. Fire extinguishing continued until the end of September [2 ... In the Moscow region, 19 villages burned down, 104 people died [2]. In the Gorky region, the fire destroyed 460 thousand hectares of forest, in The Mari Autonomous Republic - 195 thousand, in the Moscow and Penza regions - 25 thousand "
      This is taken from the wiki. Pay attention to the number of people involved in extinguishing, we will also take into account that these are densely populated areas of the country with developed infrastructure, the Union’s ability to quickly use any resources to complete the task ... And anyway, since the creation of the headquarters for fighting fires (20 July) a month and a half passed before the elimination of the main fire sources (10 of September). And the scale of the fires was half that ...
      This is me to the fact that you do not have to look everywhere for the malicious intent of Moscow in relation to Siberia. Moreover, aviation to extinguish fires is pulled from all over the country.
      Siberia is far from Moscow, and we remember very well how peat bogs burned (several years ago - 2010) and wheeled from each iron
      When our region was suffocating from burning peat bogs, they didn’t mention us anywhere, though it was the last time in the first half of the zero ...
      1. +5
        3 August 2019 07: 52
        in summer 1972
        There was a case, I remember, since the Mari our neighbors, even ten years after the fire, are driving. and instead of the forest, burnt sticks stick out. But I don’t agree with the end of your message. They tried one thing but it turned out badly. and another thing today, when officials say we will not put out the stew.
        1. 0
          3 August 2019 08: 24
          You better remember California, whoever just remembered it ... Bradbury, for example ... AND WILL burn
        2. -2
          3 August 2019 08: 32
          Quote: Gardamir
          another thing today when officials say we will not put out

          Who specifically stated this, do not remind?
          1. +6
            3 August 2019 11: 16
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Who specifically stated this, do not remind?

            Pussycat - why are you asking what you yourself are well aware of? I'm sure you heard Governor Uss's statement
            “The fact is that this is a common natural phenomenon, which is senseless to fight with, and somewhere, perhaps even harmful”

            Methods (pulling a person into meaningless answers) are ugly, even vile. And when someone sends you on a tourist trip to the battlefields of the centenary war, and in particular to the town of Nacher (see Wikipedia), you run to scribble slanderous words.
            Men (if they are men) do not do this.
          2. +5
            3 August 2019 13: 45
            Who specifically
            Governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
            https://tjournal.ru/news/108562-gubernator-krasnoyarskogo-kraya-vystupil-protiv-tusheniya-lesnyh-pozharov-on-nazval-ideyu-bessmyslennoy-i-vrednoy
            1. +3
              3 August 2019 14: 18
              Who specifically

    4. -2
      3 August 2019 11: 22
      I’m telling you about the scale and impossibility of putting out everything technically, and you, as always, about legislation, oligarchs and other hype in a fire.
  4. +6
    3 August 2019 05: 14
    Again, the authorities were not lucky with the people.
    1. +3
      3 August 2019 07: 49
      Yes, in general, they’re on fire, they are still choking, and they decided to demand something
    2. -5
      3 August 2019 11: 31
      You and your friends are out of luck.
      1. +3
        3 August 2019 12: 52
        And who are my friends? Henceforth, take the trouble to communicate with me on you.
        1. +6
          3 August 2019 14: 00
          Nda ... How did the defenders of the government become active, huh? Only now their answers are in the style of "I am stupid myself", and it looks stupid. Even more stupid is the statement that "putting out forest fires ... is also harmful."
          1. -1
            3 August 2019 21: 53
            sorry ... just want to ask, do you know what a horse fire is? and obviously you know how to put it out overnight?
            1. 0
              10 August 2019 16: 38
              Quote: Mouse
              just want to ask, do you know what a horse fire is? and obviously you know how to put it out overnight?

              No, I don’t know, not a fireman. If I knew, I would at least offer something on the case. I mean that doing nothing in such situations is not an option. Do not agree?
              1. -1
                10 August 2019 16: 42
                that's why, you exaggerate? everything is done .... they just fanned it as usual, the media also want to eat ...
  5. +30
    3 August 2019 05: 16
    Yes, yes, bloggers and opposition are to blame. Apparently they, like the author, had a difficult Soviet childhood, without palaces.
    And the authorities, of course, are innocent in the least, like that Rafik ...
    Just no money. There are parades, but no fire suppression.
    But seriously - fires must be put out at the initial stage. But for this, normal forest conservation with associated infrastructure is necessary. And its just what our rulers optimized.
    1. +7
      3 August 2019 07: 55
      fires must be extinguished at the initial stage.
      By the way, after all, the 21st century is in the yard. How about overflights of the taiga on small aircraft. telling her all that ... how about looking from space?
      Or, again, the question arises of hiding illegal logging.
      1. +2
        3 August 2019 09: 21
        He flew around in the late eighties. And what's the point? Fires were mapped and extinguished only when they began to threaten human settlements. Siberia burned every year.
        1. -4
          3 August 2019 11: 32
          It does not matter.
          The main thing is to shout that the power is to blame. This is understandable.
          1. +2
            3 August 2019 13: 59
            It does not matter.
            The main thing is to shout that the power is to blame. This is understandable.
            repeat, last time was
            Yes, I see, I see.
            The main thing is to catch on anything and shout all badly.
      2. -1
        3 August 2019 18: 39
        This view from space is already working and to sense.
    2. +3
      3 August 2019 19: 35
      Instead of forest conservation, Putin created oligarch protection - Rosguard.
      1. +1
        4 August 2019 22: 01
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Instead of forest conservation, Putin created oligarch protection - Rosguard.

        USSR Air Force - 31 Division
        Rosguard headcount - 340 000
        Which oligarchs defended explosives in the USSR?
        Z.Y. just don’t need to remember about the Federal Penitentiary Service (like they guard the zones) - in the days of the USSR, the permit system for weapons was not under the responsibility of the explosives, and there were no private security companies at all
  6. 0
    3 August 2019 05: 21
    Neither the "flying tankers" of the Il-Xnumx, nor the detachments of brave paratroopers are simply physically unable to do this.

    The main task is to prevent fire in settlements. And, considering that fire fighting aircraft are being transferred from all over the country, this task is not an easy one.
    Only it seems to me, there will be very few volunteers. In any case, Wang, that of the popular bloggers and oppositionists there will not be anyone ...
    It would be a good PR, not only for the opposition, but you are right that holding meetings in the capital is easier and safer.
  7. +10
    3 August 2019 05: 33
    Victor (author of the article), you are right and wrong. Yes, of course it’s not worth risking the lives of people, you are right, but it would be worthwhile to punish those who allowed small fires to grow to such catastrophic consequences, and I did not cover up with speeches about the impossibility of coping with this element.
    1. 0
      3 August 2019 05: 54
      Quote: savage1976
      but to punish the guilty, who allowed the growth of small fires to such catastrophic consequences, it would be worth b, and I would not cover up with speeches about the impossibility of coping with this element.

      worth it, I agree. only any conifer in a day will turn from a spark into a fire for many square kilometers. remoteness is sometimes hundreds of kilometers. reaction time, even aviation, at least a few hours (that is, no longer put out actually). so, of course, they will find the culprits, will this only be a solution to the problem? Something I doubt ....
      1. +14
        3 August 2019 05: 59
        Even a few hours, this is not a week of growing fires and picking nose in officials. Now, when a million hiccars are already burning, after the hype they will put out and there will be forces and means, but earlier they could not. Previously, the forest guard regularly flew over and searched for places of fire and then took measures to extinguish, now (at least in my region) there is no forest guard as such, and the size of the territory is 3 France.
        1. +3
          3 August 2019 08: 27
          Quote: savage1976
          Even a few hours, this is not a week of growing fires and picking nose in officials. Now, when a million hiccars are already burning, after the hype they will put out and there will be forces and means, but earlier they could not. Previously, the forest guard regularly flew over and searched for places of fire and then took measures to extinguish, now (at least in my region) there is no forest guard as such, and the size of the territory is 3 France.


          Previously, aviation conservation regularly flew over and searched for places of fire and then took measures to extinguish
          This is the main reason. Lack of prevention of forest fires as such. Well, illegal logging by itself. And the author once again fenders off the power by dumping it from a sick head to a healthy one.
    2. -2
      3 August 2019 11: 34
      Can you imagine the speed of fire spread in favorable conditions?
      1. -2
        3 August 2019 18: 41
        About 100 meters in half an hour.
        1. +1
          3 August 2019 19: 04
          This is grassroots. Horseback up to 60km / h. Do not run away.
  8. +20
    3 August 2019 05: 33
    article bold minus ...
    the only possible excuse is that it’s morning after Friday night ...
    and the proposal to Dimon "to send us through the forest" is generally a masterpiece ... but for the authorities it is absolutely nothing new ...
    as they SENT, so they will SEND by the same "forest" of everyone and everything, while the population itself will patiently wait for some kind of "heavenly rains", but believe the Kremlin shamans ...
    1. -5
      3 August 2019 11: 34
      Well, of course.
      One shaman must immediately be replaced by another. And then the fires will go out immediately, and we will heal.
  9. +17
    3 August 2019 05: 44
    I live in Ust-Ilimsk and I know firsthand about these fires, they lived in smoke for almost three weeks and in such a way that even the sun is not visible, sometimes in the form of a red disk (it is convenient to look at dark spots on the surface of the sun with binoculars), Thank God heaven the day before yesterday it was raining heavily and the second day we see the blue sky, the sun and stars at night. So these forest fires occur every year and every year the city sits in smoke without sun and clean air almost all of July and no one remembers or shouts about us at liberal meetings and, with rare exceptions, a plane flies out to shell clouds and that's all.
    1. +8
      3 August 2019 08: 58
      I subscribe, countryman, under every word. It's like that. hi
    2. -5
      3 August 2019 11: 35
      Where is the plane from? Really from the USA? Ours, as you know, was stolen by the oligarchs.
      1. 0
        3 August 2019 13: 19
        An-26 takes off from Irkutsk
    3. +2
      3 August 2019 14: 17
      also from Ust-Ilimsk .. extinguished these fires ...
      1. 0
        3 August 2019 15: 46
        I did not expect to meet Ust-Ilimts in open spaces. Do you work in the Ilim group?
        1. +2
          3 August 2019 19: 10
          Good evening! :) There are fellow countrymen here, I'm not alone :) No, I don't work at Ilim. But I work in a good organization .. :)
          1. +1
            3 August 2019 19: 14
            Yes, good night! Again began to cover with smoke
            1. +4
              3 August 2019 19: 25
              Yesterday's shots of two Be-200 b / n 31120 and 31140 work ..



            2. +1
              3 August 2019 19: 30
              Yes, less smoke still became ... 31120 and 31140 in the Kodinsk area are working, 31130 in the Baikal area. Il 76 is not particularly visible. , On the fly radar today I saw one il76 late in the evening, got up from Chita and went to Irk.obl.
    4. -3
      3 August 2019 14: 44
      So you yourself need to shout about it, and not wait until the liberals take care of you. Or are you comfortable with the situation? Then tell the liberals that there is no need to rock the boat for you, you will still be patient.
      1. +2
        3 August 2019 15: 49
        Shouted, but to sense. And the care of the liberals did not hit me in the stump, they only care about themselves and when they really need to shout that they care about the people. And let them finally swing like that in their boat so that they roll over and drown all at once.
        1. -2
          3 August 2019 18: 09
          Well and so, it makes no difference to me. Thank God I don’t shout at meetings, and I don’t live in Ust-Ilimsk.
          1. +1
            3 August 2019 18: 26
            I don’t scream at rallies either, but I live in Ust-Ilimsk and don’t complain and mucked from high pine trees to your megacities
            1. -1
              3 August 2019 18: 49
              Yes, at least take a nap, at least cough up, at least get minus. You are pathetic in your toothless malice
  10. +4
    3 August 2019 06: 02
    And as for the danger and the victims, the author is right, a few years ago, in our region, the Il-76 of the Ministry of Emergencies crashed during the fire in the Kachugsky region. I have a lot of friends who work in the fire and relatives too, so they are every summer either at the place of reinforcement or on a business trip in some area and protect only settlements and important objects from fire. And they told a lot of dangerous cases.
    1. +8
      3 August 2019 06: 38
      Just look at the website of the FSI Avialesokhrana (https://aviales.ru/memory.aspx?textpage=40) - letnabs, paratroopers and paratroopers, sometimes in groups, die. On the other hand, the branches and many functions of forest conservation have been thrown over to the regions, which most often have neither the strength nor the means, and the desire for early detection and fight against fires. The Ministry of Emergency Situations most often does not care - settlements would defend ...
    2. 0
      3 August 2019 19: 14
      I remember about IL-76, the time has passed a bit ... it's a pity for the men .. the whole crew died .. They crashed into a hill ......
  11. +2
    3 August 2019 06: 13
    . There, specially bred children studied in beautiful circles, made planes, robots, rockets, dreamed of conquering Mars and distant galaxies ...

    With you, normal and "basements", it is clear what has grown and become. But what happened to the specially withdrawn ones? Probably ready to fight the fires? laughing
    1. 0
      3 August 2019 07: 16
      Quote: AlexVas44
      . There, specially bred children studied in beautiful circles, made planes, robots, rockets, dreamed of conquering Mars and distant galaxies ...

      With you, normal and "basements", it is clear what has grown and become. But what happened to the specially withdrawn ones? Probably ready to fight the fires? laughing

      99% of them, it seems to me, advanced along the Komsomol and party lines, and then successfully robbed our country in the nineties. now, too, they write in bloziki how everything is bad and how good it is in Florida, from where they observe all this.
  12. +11
    3 August 2019 06: 25
    What can I say, Siberia is on fire. At the heart of everything is human foolishness. The fact that the flame hides the traces of crimes of illegal cutting, the same sounds from the Ministry of Emergencies. The collapse of the environmental management system, crap on the ground in compliance with elementary fire safety standards, how many settlements in Siberia have been burned in recent years without forest fires. Forest fires and floods links of one chain, the collapse of state management structures, they wrote off the work purely on paper, they saved money here, they frankly stole it, and to the private owner to the lantern, money was in his pocket and for cordon tear.
    1. -7
      3 August 2019 11: 37
      And when a man was not in Siberia, and still burned - whose nonsense? Really there Putin reached out?
      1. 0
        3 August 2019 12: 31
        With the opening in 1982, Yu.A. Mochanov of the Deering-Yuryakh complex, whose age was determined by researchers at 1,7 million years, then more than 2 million years and, finally, 2,7 million years, we will track for a long time or amoebas.
      2. +2
        3 August 2019 19: 43
        And when a person was not in Siberia, and still burned

        No need to lie, as a person basically sets fire to it.
  13. +27
    3 August 2019 06: 36
    Dear Victor, I have read your article and comments from VO readers.
    During the evacuation during the Second World War from 1941 to 1944, my mother and I were in Siberia (Omsk Region, Bogandinskaya Village. Now it is the Tyumen Region). Then there were no fires in the taiga. From 1978 to 1988, he was the Head of 6 State Institutions of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry. In Siberia and the Far East, I had many enterprises subordinate. Often had to be there. There were no fires.
    Now look at the condition now. The dam in the Irkutsk region, due to which the flood began, was orphaned. Her blurred. A few years ago, at the fraternal hydroelectric power station, it almost broke through the dam. Who's guilty. Red? In the USSR in Siberia and the Far East there were more than 1000 airports and more than 700 airfields of the USSR Air Force. There were planes and people who eliminated natural disasters. Now in Russia there are only 258 GA airports! Think about this figure.
    Fires and floods in Russia should not be. So soon it will be possible to attribute the shallowing of the Volga to natural phenomena. After all, the drunk wanted to give Karelia to the Finns, the Kuril Islands to the Japanese.
    PEOPLE STAND FOR EVERYTHING! THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE! .
    1. +7
      3 August 2019 07: 49
      Now in Russia there are only 258 GA airports! Think about this figure.

      For comparison, see the list of airports in Alaska alone. I counted 464.
      1. +11
        3 August 2019 09: 11
        Dear Arzt, in the USA there are 13 thousand GA airports, in the PRC more than 5 thousand. I can list further. I was personally responsible for the creation of airports and airdromes in the USSR MCI in the USSR. The liberals have ruined everything that is possible.
      2. -6
        3 August 2019 11: 38
        And what - forests do not burn in Alaska?
        1. +6
          3 August 2019 14: 06
          Are burning. They only extinguish them an order of magnitude (if not a few) more efficiently, so that they do not get to world news in principle. And our fires, like the flood, already lit up on Euronews.
      3. -1
        3 August 2019 18: 45
        And another 1000 airfields in varying degrees of validity.
    2. 0
      4 August 2019 22: 08
      Quote: midshipman
      From 1978 to 1988 he led the 6 State University of the USSR Ministry of Radioprom. In Siberia and the Far East, I had many enterprises subordinate. Often had to be there. There were no fires.
      - with all due respect to you, you are just don't remember...
      For example:
      "Forest and peat fires in the USSR in the summer of 1972 in the summer, more than a dozen regions in the central part of the country were covered on an area of ​​1,8 million hectares. Arid summer contributed to the emergence of more 40 Thousand Forest Fire [2]. About 360 thousand people [1] took part in extinguishing fires ... including more than 100 thousand troops [1] ... On 20 on July 1972, the regional headquarters for fighting fires was created by the decision of the Executive Committee of the Moscow Regional Council of Workers' Deputies .. By September 1, the development of fires was suspended, and by September 10 they were eliminated. Fragmentation continued until the end of September [2 ... In the Moscow Region, 19 villages burned down, 104 people died [2]. In the Gorky region, the fire destroyed 460 thousand hectares of forest, in the Mari Autonomous Republic - 195 thousand, in the Moscow and Penza regions - 25 thousand "
      And this not taiga - there were roads, and settlements nearby, and ponds for water intake
  14. +11
    3 August 2019 06: 37
    And the chanterelles took matches
    They went to the blue sea -
    They lit the blue sea!
    The sea burns with flame!
    A whale ran out of the sea:
    "Hey firemen, run,
    Help, help! "
    Two little hens came running -
    Watered from a keg
    Two ruffs were sailing -
    Watered from a bucket
    The frogs came running -
    Watered from the tub.
    Stew, stew - do not stew
    Fill - not fill ...
    Here the butterfly flew,
    Wings waved,
    The sea began to go out -
    And it went out.
    The forest, no longer our wealth, let it burn. Yes, and then it’s all natural, global warming, people have nothing to do with it ... And if you introduce mandatory property insurance against fires and floods, let it sink and burn ... laughing Why keep an eye on this? Costs alone, no income .. And everything should bring income laughing
  15. -2
    3 August 2019 06: 45
    Hmm, I read the comments and remember:
    Outside the window, rain and hail. This is Putin's fault!
    The cat left the kittens - Putin is to blame,
    Mistress threw a hare - Guilty, guess!
    Here comes the board The unfortunate goby,
    Our Tanya cries loudly - Nearby Putin, not otherwise!
    In order to extinguish some "lousy" building, it may take almost a hundred people and a day of time, and then there is indignation that they did not immediately extinguish 35 thousand square kilometers, moreover, not with infrastructure nearby, but to get to which itself by problematic for myself. I fully agree with the author of the article:
    And even better would be to announce a large-scale gathering of volunteers. Anyone who cannot live without the extinguishing of the Siberian taiga, promptly equip them with knapsack pshikalki, give a parachute, a supply of food and a compass and throw into the thick of it. Let the disease, stew.
    Only it seems to me, there will be very few volunteers. In any case, Wang, that of the popular bloggers and oppositionists there will not be anyone ...
    1. +9
      3 August 2019 07: 04
      Quote: Dart2027
      I completely agree with the author of the article:
      Better yet, announce a massive gathering of volunteers.

      It’s good to suffer from populism. Personally, are you really ready to quit your job, your family, and go out to put out the fires? Without money, business trips, at your own expense? fool
      It was under the Union that salaries were maintained at the workplace, and even a bonus was issued. I’m silent about feeding. Now no one compensates you, and your volunteer trip will cost as a trip to the resort. Ready, will your wife let go?
      Apart from populist "hashtags", nothing is heard now. negative
      1. -3
        3 August 2019 08: 13
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        good populism to suffer. Personally, are you really ready to quit your job, your family, and go out to put out the fires? Without money, business trips, at your own expense?

        And what do I personally blame the government for not having saved the forests by catching 100500 firefighters there?
        1. +9
          3 August 2019 08: 21
          Quote: Dart2027
          that it didn’t save the forests, catching 100500 firefighters there?

          The government is directly guilty of two things - that it has almost completely destroyed the forest protection system, and that it covers all these illegal logging. Babosiki drip, and there even though the grass does not grow.
          But I wrote to you about something else. About your full agreement with the author on the topic of volunteers, and about his words
          Only it seems to me, there will be very few volunteers. In any case, Wang, that of the popular bloggers and oppositionists there will not be anyone ...

          This is pure water populism. For a popular author is also unlikely to go as a volunteer. Like you, however. hi
          1. -6
            3 August 2019 10: 23
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The government is directly to blame for two things - that it almost completely destroyed the forest conservation system
            But in the USSR, forests did not burn and were not cut down?
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            This is pure water populism. For a popular author is also unlikely to go as a volunteer. Like you, however.
            I will not go. But now you are writing from the fire zone?
            1. +9
              3 August 2019 10: 54
              Quote: Dart2027
              I will not go. But now you are writing from the fire zone?

              No. But I don’t fumble, expressing full agreement with the author on the topic of volunteers. hi
              1. -7
                3 August 2019 11: 42
                But on another occasion, about guilty power - full arms of pathos.
                We ourselves may not help, but at least we do not interfere.
                Yours are actively jumping against the authorities. That is, against those who still do their job.
                Do not put out - hype, weak power, oligarchs, Putin walk in.
                Put out - again hype, weak power scared us, oligarchs, Putin come.
                It's like talking to a radio.
                1. +9
                  3 August 2019 11: 44
                  Quote: Mestny
                  It's like talking to a radio.

                  The same can be said about you. You Putin is not responsible for anything, the boyars are to blame. Yes, people are bad.
              2. -4
                3 August 2019 11: 48
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                No. But I don’t fumble
                Really? But in my opinion it’s you who will show off, along with those who shout that the power is such and such. The author, however, writes not about volunteers, but about talkers who PR on beautiful slogans.
                And even better would be to announce a large-scale gathering of volunteers. Anyone who cannot live without the extinguishing of the Siberian taiga, promptly equip them with knapsack pshikalki, give a parachute, a supply of food and a compass and throw into the thick of it. Let the disease, stew.
                Only it seems to me, there will be very few volunteers. In any case, I’m wanging that from the popular bloggers and opposition there will not be anyone there...
                Not a single bad word about those who really fighting fire he doesn’t, like, by the way, mine.
                If only for one thing: people, please understand that a forest fire can be very, extremely dangerous. And each fire escape of a forest guard could potentially result in death or even death. Just a changed wind, an unfortunate terrain that is difficult to take into account for smoke and burning, and that's all - the wall of fire begins to rapidly catch up with a person, and no knapsack “pshikalki” will help him, he will simply burn in terrible agony, if he is not lucky to lose consciousness earlier from suffocation.
                This is about those who are really fighting fire.
      2. -4
        3 August 2019 08: 37
        It’s good to suffer from populism. Personally, are you really ready to quit your job, your family, and go out to put out the fires? Without money, business trips, at your own expense?

        Choose President Shoigu and it will be so.
        1. +13
          3 August 2019 08: 57
          Quote: Arzt
          Choose President Shoigu and it will be so.

          You are too idealizing Kozhugetovich. He is part of the same system. Although I think after Vova it was he who was put forward to be the king. Most likely, he will change the government, but the oligarchs will remain untouchable, because they really decide.
          1. +4
            3 August 2019 12: 25
            He is part of the same system.

            One of its creators and pillars. And reaping the full benefits.
            Although as an organizer - not a couple of many.
    2. +6
      3 August 2019 07: 35
      It always amazes me to be inactive when there is a threat of an emergency, leading to a catastrophe, and then inhuman efforts to eliminate and combat the consequences. If forest fires occur annually, is it illogical to take preventive measures? We seem to have "unparalleled" means. using satellites to identify hotbeds of fire and promptly eliminate them
      1. -3
        3 August 2019 08: 14
        Quote: yashacat
        With the help of satellites, it can detect fires and quickly eliminate them.

        In theory. Virtually satellites are not omniscient.
        1. +6
          3 August 2019 14: 11
          Pffff. Not omniscient - this is true. But they monitor very well. The department in which I work is engaged in remote sensing satellite management. So, with the start of the fires, the number of shots in Siberia in the infrared has grown decently, four times so. Why is this?

          By the way, the satellite constellation, in a good way, has not yet been built, and therefore the efficiency is not so great.
          1. -1
            3 August 2019 16: 15
            Quote: CT-55_11-9009
            By the way, the satellite constellation, in a good way, has not yet been built, and therefore the efficiency is not so great.

            That's it. Add that it’s not enough to detect a source of ignition, you also need to put out it, and the departure is not five minutes. As a result, we have what we have - it is difficult, but realistically to extinguish in areas with developed infrastructure and population, but in remote places it is already problematic.
    3. +3
      3 August 2019 19: 51
      Recently, a shopping center with people burned down, they didn’t draw any conclusions, now the taiga is on fire and conclusions have already been made - it’s as it should, so it should be, let it burn.
      And at the expense of Putin’s guilt, he himself said that he was personally responsible for everything that happens in the country.
  16. -1
    3 August 2019 07: 02
    Well, at least one sensible article on this topic!
    1. +3
      3 August 2019 14: 19
      Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Well, at least one sensible article on this topic!

      Reasonable? Well, it depends on how you look at it. The article is about "full approval" of the current situation with fires in Siberia. But not everyone is ready to follow the goats with bells like a flock of rams and sheep. Therefore, they express dissatisfaction, some even suggest at least some ways to prevent or at least early detection of fires. Is it bad? Regarding the claims to the government: is it not their fault? After all, it is not regional governments, and even less ordinary people, who determine the strategy for the development of civil aviation and the Ministry of Emergencies in particular and the country as a whole. So the claims are valid. Another thing is that it burns from lightning, and debris working with a lens, and from conventional bulls and poorly extinguished fires. Yes, and there are definitely arsonists, where without them.
      1. -2
        3 August 2019 18: 41
        You generally read the article, there isn’t such an apprehension!
        1. 0
          10 August 2019 16: 40
          Generally - read. And read the comments too. And almost everything.
  17. +11
    3 August 2019 07: 18
    Yes, citizens, we must sit and wait for the rains.
    Somehow sad. the author began so beautifully. and so foolishly blown away .. No, I do not agree, until there is such a technique that could extinguish forest fires. But at least they tried in the Union. And here are officials of different ranks. declare we will not extinguish. Maybe the truth is that the fires hide illegal logging? Who do Soviet children remember when we were told about the bourgeoisie destroying the Amazonian forests? Russia, too, is now the bourgeoisie, and we, too, are cutting loot from misfortunes. But the most vile they use Soviet terminology, about fraternity, mutual assistance. About how capitalist sanctions prevent us from living, we can think of Russia as a country of socialism. And here personal enrichment is a priority. But you can’t get a bablishka on fire fighting, so why put it out?
    1. +7
      3 August 2019 08: 16
      Quote: Gardamir
      Yes, citizens, we must sit and wait for the rains.
      Somehow sad. the author began so beautifully. and so foolishly blown away .. No, I do not agree, until there is such a technique that could extinguish forest fires. But at least they tried in the Union. And here are officials of different ranks. declare we will not extinguish. Maybe the truth is that the fires hide illegal logging? Who do Soviet children remember when we were told about the bourgeoisie destroying the Amazonian forests? Russia, too, is now the bourgeoisie, and we, too, are cutting loot from misfortunes. But the most vile they use Soviet terminology, about fraternity, mutual assistance. About how capitalist sanctions prevent us from living, we can think of Russia as a country of socialism. And here personal enrichment is a priority. But you can’t get a bablishka on fire fighting, so why put it out?


      Welcome.
      Primary prevention, not extinguishing, should be emphasized on prevention. Forests burned during the Union, but so that every year there is no emergency.
      1. -5
        3 August 2019 11: 44
        It was still like.
        It’s just that there was no Internet in the USSR.
  18. +6
    3 August 2019 07: 27
    There is certainly logic in the article.

    But there is one important point: the transition to the "control zone" for extinguishing fires preserves the sources of fire.

    And in the case of this year, "no extinguishing" was superimposed on the atmospheric blocking.

    The reasons are complex. One of them is a sharp reduction in the number of forestry workers.

    The Forest Code, developed by the Office of Mr. Gref in 2006, is in force.

    And the fires: yes - the rains will pass. And many will forget about them for other things. Until the next fires.
  19. -3
    3 August 2019 07: 28
    Despite the excessive, in my opinion, description of the childhood details of the author and his peers, I liked the article. Respect to the author. And then many here have already developed a conditioned reflex, sitting on the couch to raise their eyes of sorrow and moan, this is only in Russia, it’s all to blame, further according to the tastes of the groaning. But the matter of the groaning is only to open the ulcer, and let the authorities think, which he ridiculed. The author simply reminded people what a fire in a forest is, and how difficult it is to extinguish, and what heroes are those people who put out and what risky work they have, including pilots. Well yes. they will attack me - they are paid a salary for this - yes, they are paid - only a small one. Where they looked before! And where it is necessary. and looked there. I don’t want to croak, but so far no casualties from fires have been observed, Now minus, please /
    1. +1
      3 August 2019 15: 05
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      But the matter of the groaning is only to open the ulcer, and let the authorities think, which he ridiculed.


      But the matter of the groaning is only to open the ulcer, and let the authorities think, which he ridiculed.
      Well, the "moaning" decided to do something himself, and for that he had to go to the government, so that the laws should be adopted and forced to obey. It was not there. Fuck the "moaning" does not want to let his power go where the laws are written. And what now? How to be? Who is to blame for the "groaning" or who else does not want to change and does not give to others?
  20. +7
    3 August 2019 07: 30
    We have created a lot. And already artificial intelligence is on the way. But in the management of countries there is absolutely no protection from the fool. Here in our childhood, "smart" worked differently. We always put out fires either with water or earth. It would seem that people live close to nature, we must understand it better, but this is not always the case. I have seen how "village" guys set fire to haystacks near the forest. And I'm not talking about tortured animals. Understanding of nature suddenly became at the level of denseness. Recently the leader of the LDPR said about the cause of the fires. He pointed out the small number of foresters. Here I completely agree with him. After all, the main thing is not to put out fires, but to do so, so that the forests do not burn. There should be people in the forests. And about the protests, there would be a reason ...
    1. +1
      3 August 2019 07: 51
      Nikolay! In general, I agree with you, but for each case in the forester, this is already too much. May the Pepsi generation forgive me. But I would have simply carved such arsonists, moreover, twice, once at home as a father after a receipt with a large fine, and another time in the precinct to educate. You know, rude education, but it helps!
      1. -2
        3 August 2019 09: 49
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        But I would have simply carved such arsonists, moreover, twice, once at home as a father after a receipt with a large fine, and another time in the precinct to educate. You know, rude education, but it helps!

        The author passionately pisses you. I have always said that the abolition of corporal punishment was the greatest civilizational mistake of mankind. They would have flogged us if, on business and with intelligence, they would probably not even carry matches in their pockets. :)
        1. 0
          3 August 2019 14: 24
          Quote: BigBraza
          I have always said that the abolition of corporal punishment was the greatest civilizational mistake of mankind. They would have flogged us if, on business and with intelligence, they would probably not even carry matches in their pockets. :)

          Sorry, but you have not been flogged? At least in childhood? I was flogged, it was the case. For all that out of the ordinary tricks. And uncle sailor belt. It got sooooo fast.

          And by the way. If you were whipped right now "in the stable" instead of, say, a large fine, you would not have started howling in the front ranks: "My human rights have been violated! Honor has been desecrated! AAA! ..".
  21. +6
    3 August 2019 07: 41
    Yes, citizens, we must sit and wait for the rains. And the officials, who for a long time veiledly sent us to famous letters, were at some point right

    And come on, we’ll throw you the sun in Krasnoyarsk where you can’t even breathe out of smog even in GP-5, and you will live there for a month ... And yes, my good one, everything is perfectly stewed by modern means and everyone understands this very well, but it’s more economical to order a similar article you have something to put out a fire
    ps It seems that respected Moscow is only able to pump oil from Siberia, and the fires must be extinguished by the Siberians themselves, or those who are near the same China or Kazakhstan ...
    1. -1
      3 August 2019 07: 56
      The author convincingly showed that fire is a natural disaster. And even if you threw them all (officials) into the fire, it will not become easier to breathe from this. You seemed to me hinting that this article was paid. Well, you and ...
      1. +8
        3 August 2019 08: 06
        The author convincingly showed that fire is a natural disaster. And even if you threw them all (officials) into the fire, it will not become easier to breathe from this. You seemed to me hinting that this article was paid. Well, you and ...

        What am I, a "respected" propagandist of a well-known department, finish talking. Your bureaucrats screamed here while the hearths were small, it is not economically profitable to extinguish the taiga, especially Alexander Uss distinguished himself ...
        So I understand that if it is a natural disaster to be near Moscow, it will be extinguished by all means, if it is not economically profitable in Siberia, let it all burn with a white flame, everything could not break through the Ural Mountains.
        But thanks for the little article, they once again showed that the Russian government treat Siberia and the Far East as a raw materials appendage to which it should not
        1. +1
          3 August 2019 09: 18
          Quote: armata_armata
          if it is a natural disaster to be near Moscow then it will be extinguished by all means

          Dear, in 2010 Moscow was also suffocating from smoke and panting for a long time, so we are familiar with what residents of Siberian and Far Eastern regions are going through now. I can assure you that those people who went through the smog on the 10th empathize with you. Yes, I think that any normal person will never be happy with the troubles of his neighbor (although then, in the 10th, I met joyful comments, it’s good that they are rare, apparently not very healthy mentally people who were happy about the choking Moscow). Just try not to confuse officials and ordinary people.
          1. +1
            3 August 2019 10: 15
            And until 2010 it was 1972.

            And look at the chronicles - among disasters: fires, fires, fires.

            We have not completely hid in the shell of indifference.
    2. +2
      3 August 2019 10: 18
      Have you forgotten Moscow in 2010? When smog hung over the whole city, forests and peat bogs burned. So - such fires are not extinguished, especially peat. Despite a bunch of forces and means that worked near Moscow.
      1. +8
        3 August 2019 10: 50
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        Have you forgotten Moscow in 2010? When smog hung over the whole city, forests and peat bogs burned.

        and began to extinguish when diplomats began to evacuate from Moscow
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        such fires are not extinguished, especially peat

        but put out!
        If you knew how many lung-lungs died of smoke!
        1. +1
          3 August 2019 11: 06
          Compare the area of ​​forests near Moscow and Siberian. I don’t know how, in Moscow, we reacted quickly to burning peat in Novgorodskaya, but they put out for a long time. This is a very difficult task.
          1. +7
            3 August 2019 11: 36
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Compare the area of ​​forests near Moscow and Siberian.

            it is not necessary to compare whether the principle is important — we put it out or not.
            And if they start to extinguish only when the smoke filled the embassies and Alaska, then this is another matter. On the other hand, if you are sure that you don’t need to extinguish, then you don’t need to extinguish it, let America and the ambassadors die from our smoke.
          2. +2
            3 August 2019 14: 27
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            I don’t know how, in Moscow, we reacted quickly to burning peat in Novgorodskaya, but they put out for a long time.

            Here, in Chuvashia, the Trans-Volga region burned well too, and they stewed for a long time. For about a month, there was such smoke above the reservoir that no other shore was visible.
    3. 0
      3 August 2019 18: 45
      Well, we somehow managed without GP-5!
  22. +2
    3 August 2019 07: 48
    If we talk about my childhood, unlike the current generation, we were not mothers' sons, we were not taken to school by the hand. Thieves' music sounded from many windows, and at that time there was a confrontation at the everyday level between the urks and the front-line soldiers. Especially on payday at "American women". If I complained to my parents that someone beat me (and this happened), my friends would no longer respect me. How were we different from today's kids? We have always thought of the best.
  23. +7
    3 August 2019 07: 50
    Now as to whether to extinguish or not to extinguish. Let's start with the fact that it is simply impossible to extinguish a burst-out Siberia with human forces. Neither the “flying tankers” IL-76, nor the troops of the brave paratroopers are simply physically unable to do this. Under no circumstances, I emphasize, even with the round-the-clock work of every single aircraft and people. Moreover, if the weather favors fires, their area will still increase. And nothing (I’ll emphasize it again) isn’t done with them.

    The only question is why they didn’t put out before, when it was still possible to put out and the disaster did not take such proportions.
    1. 0
      3 August 2019 08: 10
      The only question is why they didn’t put out before, when it was still possible to put out and the disaster did not take such proportions.

      “Now two really burning regions are the Irkutsk Region and the Krasnoyarsk Territory. But the main part of the fires, it operates in remote areas in the so-called control zone. Accordingly, these fires, for the most part, decide on non-extinguishing, because there are no threats to settlements, there are no threats to economic facilities. And, accordingly, the predicted costs are several times, sometimes tens of times more than the possible damage, ”the press service of the Ministry of Forestry of the Krasnoyarsk Territory told the NGS correspondent.

      https://news.ngs.ru/more/66168907/
      1. -1
        3 August 2019 08: 30
        Quote: armata_armata
        But the main part of the fires, it operates in remote areas in the so-called control zone.

        And how could a fire arise without human intervention? Has the sun warmed and spontaneously ignited? This does not happen.
        1. +3
          3 August 2019 10: 16
          It happens. But very seldom. For example, dry thunderstorms. In 90% of cases, the source of the fire is a person.
          1. +1
            4 August 2019 22: 19
            Quote from Korsar4
            It happens. But very seldom. For example, dry thunderstorms. In 90% of cases, the source of the fire is a person.
            - we have steppes burning every year (and in Kazakhstan, too) ... Also, forest cuts are hidden ?? !!!
            moreover, it burns sometimes in 100-150km from human habitation in a remote steppe.
            1. 0
              5 August 2019 16: 05
              Enough to throw a cigarette butt. And the man is able to get beyond 100 km.
              1. +1
                5 August 2019 16: 56
                Quote from Korsar4
                Enough to throw a cigarette butt. And the man is able to get beyond 100 km.
                -agrees. The only problem is that nobody goes to the steppe beyond 100 km — there is nothing economically necessary that cannot be taken to 5-10 km. Moreover, there’s nothing at all
                For centuries, people have been living in the same places in the steppe, only there you can survive ....
                1. 0
                  5 August 2019 19: 26
                  Have you stopped hunting in the steppe?
                  1. 0
                    5 August 2019 21: 11
                    Quote from Korsar4
                    Have you stopped hunting in the steppe?
                    in the taiga?
                    1. 0
                      5 August 2019 21: 18
                      Do not stop. And often cause fires.
        2. +3
          3 August 2019 10: 21
          Forests burned when another man walked on all fours. Lightning, for example, is a high content of essential oils in the air of coniferous forests. And voila - the fire. By the way, you can not set fire to the forest - a rather empty glass bottle. Lens, yeah.
          1. +6
            3 August 2019 10: 52
            an empty bottle is also a human factor. by the way, he served in Siberia (89-91), and fires, as far as I remember, all started near settlements. the hills around were burning. talked to some arsonists. argumentation "iron" - so that the grass grows for hay!
            1. +2
              3 August 2019 13: 37
              Quote: ELEZKIY
              argumentation "iron" - so that the grass grows for hay!

              Sometimes one gets the feeling that someone deliberately throws such pseudological arguments into society: to arrange grass to fall so that new grass grows better, not to give birth to children so as not to cause poverty ... A hundred years ago, neither one nor the other would have thought did not come.
              1. 0
                3 August 2019 14: 30
                Arranging fallen grass is not a newfangled invention - it is just a relic of the past. Previously, it was believed that ash from burnt grass fertilizes the soil.
    2. +3
      3 August 2019 08: 31
      I repeat that such fires occur every summer, it’s just that a couple of factors overlapped because of which this flood was made public for the second time in a month and plus smoke reached the same Krasnoyarsk and where they are not silent (it’s useless to scream because everyone equally they will not hear). I saw photos of the smoky Krasnoyarsk on the Internet, so there it’s even not bad compared to us, we had visibility about 200 meters. And yes, I know that now again the sun (in the shade + 29) and in a day or two again everything will be covered in smoke.
      1. 0
        3 August 2019 08: 35
        Quote: true_rover
        I repeat that such fires occur every summer, it’s just that a couple of factors overlapped because of which this flood was made public for the second time in a month and plus smoke reached the same Krasnoyarsk and where they are not silent (it’s useless to scream because everyone equally they will not hear). I saw photos of the smoky Krasnoyarsk on the Internet, so there it’s even not bad compared to us, we had visibility about 200 meters. And yes, I know that now again the sun (in the shade + 29) and in a day or two again everything will be covered in smoke.

        I got it. I do not understand the cause of the fires. Where there are people understandable, but in remote areas that are difficult to reach? A fire does not occur by itself.
        1. 0
          3 August 2019 08: 54
          Dear Oleg. Dry thunderstorm! When the heat is not often, but it happens. One thunderstorm is enough. to burn the whole forest.
          1. +11
            3 August 2019 09: 16
            Quote: mikh-korsakov
            Dear Oleg. Dry thunderstorm! When the heat is not often, but it happens. One thunderstorm is enough. to burn the whole forest.

            I don't believe in so many "dry thunderstorms". By the way, in my entire life I have never met such a natural phenomenon.
        2. +8
          3 August 2019 09: 10
          There are a lot of forest roads along which the forest is taken or hunters and fishermen ride. About a month or a half ago, on regional news, we showed a video from a patrol plane as some people set fire to the edge of the forest and when they saw a plane in a jeep they began to wash off, the plane stopped pursuing due to running out of fuel, these are the things
          1. +6
            3 August 2019 09: 22
            Quote: true_rover
            There are a lot of forest roads along which the forest is taken or hunters and fishermen ride. About a month or a half ago, on regional news, we showed a video from a patrol plane as some people set fire to the edge of the forest and when they saw a plane in a jeep they began to wash off, the plane stopped pursuing due to running out of fuel, these are the things

            I believe in it.

            Quote: srelock
            Quote: professor
            I got it. I do not understand the cause of the fires. Where there are people understandable, but in remote areas that are difficult to reach? A fire does not occur by itself.
            The processes of decay and sunny weather.

            As I listened to an interview with a firefighter who claimed that ALL forest fires were the work of human hands. He told how they conducted experiments at an air temperature of 45 degrees in the shade and relative humidity in 10% (hamsin). Bottled and bottles and glass in order to focus the sun's rays and cause a fire. In vain.
            1. 0
              5 August 2019 09: 35
              Quote: professor
              firefighter

              That's right - firefighter. Firefighter - somewhat different. Read Gilyarovsky, broadens his horizons, "professor" wink
              1. -1
                5 August 2019 11: 19
                Quote: Tank Hard
                Quote: professor
                firefighter

                That's right - firefighter. Firefighter - somewhat different. Read Gilyarovsky, broadens his horizons, "professor" wink

                I can. I am not russian. wink
                1. +1
                  5 August 2019 15: 25
                  Quote: professor
                  I can. I am not russian.

                  Among us, many are not Russian. To me as a fireman (1993 ordinary soldier - 1996 senior sergeant, senior fireman), it hurts my hearing. am
        3. +1
          3 August 2019 09: 15
          Quote: professor
          I got it. I do not understand the cause of the fires. Where there are people understandable, but in remote areas that are difficult to reach? A fire does not occur by itself.
          The processes of decay and sunny weather.
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        6. +1
          3 August 2019 11: 00
          Yes, now in any hard-to-reach place it is nasty and "Vasya was here with Mahmud" is written!
        7. 0
          3 August 2019 13: 43
          And there are roads in which people drive along the “control zone”.
  24. +7
    3 August 2019 07: 55
    Only it seems to me, there will be very few volunteers. In any case, Wang, that of the popular bloggers and oppositionists there will not be anyone ...

    It always has been, any problem in Russia is being inflated to universal proportions, and the howl stands for the whole world!
    Before the collapse of the USSR, there was also a torrent of terrible catastrophes and in the media they sucked them with details. The coupons were given to the anti-alcohol company .. and especially finished off the loss of cigarettes (it completely pissed me off)
    It seems that this was all planned and carried out in stages ..
    And now I feel the final stage is the destruction of Russia .. If I'm wrong. I apologize hi
    1. +1
      3 August 2019 10: 02
      Quote: Koba
      Only it seems to me, there will be very few volunteers. In any case, Wang, that of the popular bloggers and oppositionists there will not be anyone ...

      It always has been, any problem in Russia is being inflated to universal proportions, and the howl stands for the whole world!
      Before the collapse of the USSR, there was also a torrent of terrible catastrophes and in the media they sucked them with details. The coupons were given to the anti-alcohol company .. and especially finished off the loss of cigarettes (it completely pissed me off)
      It seems that this was all planned and carried out in stages ..
      And now I feel the final stage is the destruction of Russia .. If I'm wrong. I apologize hi


      And who do you think?
      1. +3
        3 August 2019 12: 32
        And you, colleague Free, think. There was a stuffing from government structures about the need to divide Russia into 14 relatively independent regions from one another. With laws that are significantly different from the federal. The network responded with indignation: the oligarchs are sharing the country! The question was instantly hushed up. However, quite recently a similar throw-in has again been received, but it was already a question of 16, it seems, regions. It’s as if they tell us: the country is large, the regions are different, with features, it’s impossible to manage them effectively from Moscow. Especially extinguishing forest fires. The USSR could manage a much larger territory until it was started and surrendered by the current and their predecessors, starting with Khrushchev, but they cannot. Frankly signing this in its worthlessness. But then where will 16 worthy rulers come from the present worthless government? Only worthless! To immediately leave the federation and finally surrender to the mercy of the collective West. It will turn out 16 Ukraine. And the forests - they will continue to burn, and for the reason now it is now completely impossible for anyone to control the theft of funds even more intensively.
        1. +2
          3 August 2019 14: 54
          Quote: depressant
          And you, colleague Free, think. There was a stuffing from government structures about the need to divide Russia into 14 relatively independent regions from one another. With laws that are significantly different from the federal. The network responded with indignation: the oligarchs are sharing the country! The question was instantly hushed up. However, quite recently a similar throw-in has again been received, but it was already a question of 16, it seems, regions. It’s as if they tell us: the country is large, the regions are different, with features, it’s impossible to manage them effectively from Moscow. Especially extinguishing forest fires. The USSR could manage a much larger territory until it was started and surrendered by the current and their predecessors, starting with Khrushchev, but they cannot. Frankly signing this in its worthlessness. But then where will 16 worthy rulers come from the present worthless government? Only worthless! To immediately leave the federation and finally surrender to the mercy of the collective West. It will turn out 16 Ukraine. And the forests - they will continue to burn, and for the reason now it is now completely impossible for anyone to control the theft of funds even more intensively.


          There was a stuffing from government structures about the need to divide Russia into 14 relatively independent regions from one another. With laws that are significantly different from the federal.
          I confess I hear this for the first time !!! Where does infa come from?
          1. 0
            3 August 2019 22: 07
            Darling, you need to follow the news!
            I remember, I once opened Yandex, there is this info. It seems that this was last year. I immediately went to a scandalous look, and there already on this occasion the government was torn to shreds. Yes, and in VO in some topics more than once or twice mentioned this and discussed. The military said that more regions would be needed, so it is more convenient for districts. And for sure, recently the news was already about 16, but everyone reacted somehow sluggishly - people are tired. I always open Yandex in the morning, there are government news, I just read the headlines. If something interesting, go read the look. Or a businessman, there in detail. After all, VO is a military site; it does not always contain news on the topic that, it would seem, is not related to defense. But in fact they have - direct.
            1. +2
              3 August 2019 22: 10
              Well, things are happening in Russia. Who suggested these things?
        2. -1
          4 August 2019 22: 30
          Quote: depressant
          The USSR could manage a much larger territory,
          -you forget about the absolutely gratuitous labor force that could be shoved in the USSR wherever- about the army...
          Throw 100-200-300 people anywhere - to extinguish forest fires or to "virgin" battalions
          to save the harvest was very fashionable in the USSR
          Having 3 000 000 gratuitous workforce - the government could do whatever it wanted to protect the homeland, you want to dig potatoes, you want to put out fires .......

          Z.Y. the use of Soviet military personnel was even cheaper than the work of criminals - the more they had to pay 60 rubles a month - and ordinary 7 (!!!!!!) received rubles a month
      2. -2
        3 August 2019 12: 43
        Quote: free
        And who do you think?

        Well, I remember Hollywood burned and many villas of stars burned out .. But there was no such hype?
        Now they demand us to stew urgently .. Siberia is not Hollywood! Such fires occur periodically and it is physically difficult to extinguish it. Now, if the lumberjacks set it on fire specially .. .. Catch and throw it from the helicopter into the fire and the act of signing died during the fire hi Vorya divorced there .. The NKVD division needs to urgently soldier
  25. +12
    3 August 2019 08: 10
    Therefore, I can’t say anything censorship about the cries of “stewing at any cost”, sorry. Just because it could be the price of human lives.
    It is not necessary to extinguish at any cost, it is necessary to extinguish in accordance with the TB measures. But it is necessary to extinguish in any case. And here ah and oh, it turns out that we have almost nothing left of the Soviet forest protection, which was just involved in extinguishing and preventing forest fires.

    Therefore, I can’t say anything censorship about the cries of “stewing at any cost”, sorry.
    Probably, criminals and terrorists should not be detained, otherwise suddenly someone will die. It did not occur to you that there are specialized services, or should be in our case. But why these services in a half-disassembled state is another question, but the author and him "forgot ".

    Only large rains can save. Or shamans who promise to cause these rains.
    Only ordering in forest protection can save. Returning forestry authorities real powers, expanding staff, restoring forest fire protection (I'm in staircases), fire prevention, which are mineralized stripes, quarter cuttings, controlled dry grass felling, dead wood cuttings. But forest protection is ruined, killed in the bud. It is strange that this is never a reason for the author.

    I am the same arsonist who must be "shot, hanged, destroyed, like mad dogs."
    Are you seriously claiming that children go hundreds of kilometers to the taiga there, set her on fire and return home? And all this for one day, until the parents grabbed it. It doesn’t light up outside the city limits, there the Ministry of Emergencies would put out quickly.

    I, who wrote dozens of devastating articles about our government
    When reading some of your articles, one gets the feeling that you are not criticizing the government, but shielding it. Only you do it a little more cunningly than stupid kremlebots. give her another chance once again. Not like in Ukraine, Laos, Kabogia ". And this time it is not those who killed the forest protection who are to blame, but all these are children, you understand. They are with their pranks.
    1. +2
      3 August 2019 09: 47
      Quote: free
      It can only be saved by restoring order in the forestry. Returning forestry authorities real powers, expanding the staff, restoring forest fire protection (

      while the main trend in the country is consumerism, an increase in staff and a return of authority will only lead to an increase in bureaucracy and corruption.
      1. 0
        3 August 2019 09: 58
        Quote: aybolyt678
        Quote: free
        It can only be saved by restoring order in the forestry. Returning forestry authorities real powers, expanding the staff, restoring forest fire protection (

        while the main trend in the country is consumerism, an increase in staff and a return of authority will only lead to an increase in bureaucracy and corruption.


        This is understandable. The trend needs to be changed. And this is a change, you know what. Or it’s not worth it. Doesn’t it burn, will it grow?
        1. +6
          3 August 2019 10: 35
          Quote: free
          And this change, you know what

          the rulers of Russia relied on someone to gain power. Ivan the Terrible for boyars, Peter 1 for military power and nobility Catherine 2 for military power and counts. Putin relied on oligarchs. However, in order to avoid revolutions, boyars were impaled, noblemen were cut and forced to serve, counts into disgrace or exile. Putin, for example, does nothing social, like Nicholas II .. he also launched foreign capital into the country, strengthened the army - formally, he even raised production, which, depending on Western capital, influenced politics. Putin must change the course to a socially oriented one and there will be no revolution. There will be "repressions" nationalization of some capital and that's it! All sane people are waiting for this.
          1. +2
            3 August 2019 14: 58
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Quote: free
            And this change, you know what

            the rulers of Russia relied on someone to gain power. Ivan the Terrible for boyars, Peter 1 for military power and nobility Catherine 2 for military power and counts. Putin relied on oligarchs. However, in order to avoid revolutions, boyars were impaled, noblemen were cut and forced to serve, counts into disgrace or exile. Putin, for example, does nothing social, like Nicholas II .. he also launched foreign capital into the country, strengthened the army - formally, he even raised production, which, depending on Western capital, influenced politics. Putin must change the course to a socially oriented one and there will be no revolution. There will be "repressions" nationalization of some capital and that's it! All sane people are waiting for this.


            What do you think, will Putin change his course for social direction?
            1. +2
              3 August 2019 20: 08
              If you haven’t changed in 20 years, then waiting is useless.
            2. +1
              3 August 2019 20: 25
              Russian people believe in miracles. This is a national trait. I am Russian.
    2. +2
      3 August 2019 10: 18
      Much is true.

      But dry grass fell rarely controlled.
      It is in the spring that it often causes fires.
      1. +1
        3 August 2019 10: 26
        Quote from Korsar4
        Much is true.

        But dry grass fell rarely controlled.
        It is in the spring that it often causes fires.


        Yes, in general it is not difficult to carry out a controlled fall. It is just time to choose the right one (early spring when the soil is still wet) and not everywhere this can be done.
        1. +2
          3 August 2019 20: 37
          Quote: free
          in general, it’s not difficult to carry out a controlled fall ...

          ... language in the internet. Yes, it’s easy.
  26. 3vs
    +4
    3 August 2019 08: 15
    Well, if many consider themselves Orthodox, let us pray to the Lord God, the Almighty, the Creator of Heaven and Earth to send torrential showers to burning forests!

    By the way, Comrade Putin signed a law recognizing the bow as a new type of hunting weapon !:

    MOSCOW, 2 August. / TASS /. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law that recognizes the bow as a new type of hunting throwing weapon and allows the Russians to use it in hunting. The document was published on Friday on the official portal of legal information, it will enter into force after 180 days after the day of its official publication.
    For a more precise definition of the subject of legal regulation, the law distinguishes two categories of projectile weapons: weapons designed to hit a target at a distance with a projectile that receives directional movement with the help of a mechanical device (small arms) and with the help of muscular strength (throwing weapons). As a new type of hunting weapon, only bows are defined as a small throwing weapon.
    Citizens will be able to purchase such weapons without a license (no more than five units), but then they will need to be registered with the Russian Guard. When buying a bow, it will be necessary to provide a hunting ticket and permission to store and carry hunting weapons.
    According to the current legislation, the use of weapons that are not classified as hunting weapons in accordance with federal law is prohibited during hunting. Bows can only be used for playing sports with the obligatory observance of the requirement to store them at a sports facility (with a number of exceptions).
    According to the Russian Guard, structurally similar to weapons bows and crossbows gained wide popularity among the population, citizens of the Russian Federation purchased such products several hundred thousand pieces. According to the Federal Customs Service, the volume of imports of these bows, crossbows, and accessories for them over the past five years is about 200 thousand units annually in the amount of about 60 million rubles. Such products, which are structurally similar to weapons, are not registered and are not controlled by the licensing system of the Russian Guard.

    Source:
    news.mail.ru/politics/38202076/?frommail=1

    Apparently, the next in line is hunting horn.
    1. +1
      3 August 2019 09: 58
      And what's so funny? A bow or crossbow is a pretty powerful weapon. Do you want to get an arrow in the ass?
      1. +2
        3 August 2019 12: 07
        Quote: kiborg
        Do you want to get an arrow in the ass?

        More likely to plug. Let's ban the forks, because you can eat with a spoon? wink
    2. +1
      3 August 2019 10: 27
      Quote: 3vs
      Well, if many consider themselves Orthodox, let us pray to the Lord God, the Almighty, the Creator of Heaven and Earth to send torrential showers to burning forests!

      By the way, Comrade Putin signed a law recognizing the bow as a new type of hunting weapon !:

      MOSCOW, 2 August. / TASS /. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law that recognizes the bow as a new type of hunting throwing weapon and allows the Russians to use it in hunting. The document was published on Friday on the official portal of legal information, it will enter into force after 180 days after the day of its official publication.
      For a more precise definition of the subject of legal regulation, the law distinguishes two categories of projectile weapons: weapons designed to hit a target at a distance with a projectile that receives directional movement with the help of a mechanical device (small arms) and with the help of muscular strength (throwing weapons). As a new type of hunting weapon, only bows are defined as a small throwing weapon.
      Citizens will be able to purchase such weapons without a license (no more than five units), but then they will need to be registered with the Russian Guard. When buying a bow, it will be necessary to provide a hunting ticket and permission to store and carry hunting weapons.
      According to the current legislation, the use of weapons that are not classified as hunting weapons in accordance with federal law is prohibited during hunting. Bows can only be used for playing sports with the obligatory observance of the requirement to store them at a sports facility (with a number of exceptions).
      According to the Russian Guard, structurally similar to weapons bows and crossbows gained wide popularity among the population, citizens of the Russian Federation purchased such products several hundred thousand pieces. According to the Federal Customs Service, the volume of imports of these bows, crossbows, and accessories for them over the past five years is about 200 thousand units annually in the amount of about 60 million rubles. Such products, which are structurally similar to weapons, are not registered and are not controlled by the licensing system of the Russian Guard.

      Source:
      news.mail.ru/politics/38202076/?frommail=1

      Apparently, the next in line is hunting horn.


      Well, if many consider themselves Orthodox, let us pray to the Lord God, the Almighty, the Creator of Heaven and Earth to send torrential showers to burning forests!
      Krasava. Plus +100500!
      1. -1
        3 August 2019 23: 23
        And also Putin signed a law on benefits payments and provision of a living wage for the birth of a second child - for three years.
    3. -1
      3 August 2019 10: 28
      To begin with: bow hunting requires certain skills that are much more complex than when hunting with a firearm. This is the first. Secondly: hunting for a large beast with a bow requires the hunter to have steel testicles: you may not have time to make a second shot and turn from a hunter into a game. Thirdly: a decent hunting bow costs well for a hundred thousand rubles so that such a hunt is not for everyone. If you do not understand the question, then it is better to remain silent - get married as smart.
      1. 3vs
        +3
        3 August 2019 14: 53
        I mean that in our country there are no other problems, to sign different crazy laws to the president of the country ?!

        And we did bows with arrows in childhood without any hundreds of thousands of rubles, just did not hunt. :-)
        1. 0
          3 August 2019 15: 02
          The law is never delusional. The hunting community for a very long time proposed to legalize hunting with throwing weapons. Finally ripened.
          1. 3vs
            0
            3 August 2019 15: 18
            It remains to legalize the spears, slings and everything that in ancient times was still hunted.
            Satisfied with money already have no imagination whatsoever, how to run with a bow for an animal.
            1. -1
              3 August 2019 15: 23
              Do you think that to shoot a boar or an elk from a carbine with optics is more sporty? Bow hunting equalizes the chances of a hunter and a game; it is much more interesting. True and much more dangerous.
              1. 3vs
                +2
                3 August 2019 17: 36
                I think that to bring down a living being for the sake of sports interest or tickle your nerves with any kind of weapon, if you are not dying of hunger or need, an activity unworthy of a person.
                1. 0
                  3 August 2019 17: 50
                  Well yes: Turgenev, Aksakov, Hemingway, Lenin V. And, of course, they were either hungry or absolutely unworthy people
                  1. 3vs
                    +1
                    3 August 2019 17: 55
                    But what, does it color them or something !?

                    And this also has an excuse ?!
                    Bloody massacre: dolphins are killed in Denmark for fun

                    1. -4
                      3 August 2019 18: 01
                      You're not a vegan, by any chance? And to slaughter a defenseless domestic pig, which he fed, cherished and cherished, in your opinion, generally beyond?
                      1. 3vs
                        +4
                        3 August 2019 18: 12
                        Not a vegan, but the hand will not rise on the stomach.
                        Too impressive, I always put myself in the place of the belly.

                        Not with bugs / flies / cockroaches / mosquitoes / spiders, the conversation is short,
                        but they first started ... Yes
                        Hypocrisy, of course, but as it is ...
  27. +16
    3 August 2019 08: 15
    Honestly, the article is about nothing !!! Unless the main idea was expressed in the conclusion - do not touch the officials and Medvedev, the forests burn well without them))) Now, if the respected author analyzed the damage from forest fires on gas pipelines, it would be much more interesting. Something with a large number of fires in Russia, I have never met that "blue streams" would stop - probably in Gazprom the system of organization is thought out, organized and financed better than in Leskhoz or other similar organizations. This is what we need to write about, not about matches in the hands of children.
  28. +4
    3 August 2019 08: 25
    there are figures in Putin’s website, it’s also clear about fires, relatively by years and territories ... It seems that the media really overdid it. And it’s just the feeling that someone is covering these deforestation from the very top
  29. +12
    3 August 2019 08: 56
    Apparently a little author thrashed with an ass belt. There was more.
    Just in the news they said that the area of ​​fires decreased by 5 times, thanks to the firefighters
    1. +4
      3 August 2019 10: 20
      Be critical of the news.

      In some places the rains have passed.

      With tremendous respect for those who extinguish fires.
    2. +5
      3 August 2019 10: 23
      Read the news carefully: INCREASING FIRE AREA DECREASED 5 TIMES

      That is, the fire grows 5 times slower.
  30. +11
    3 August 2019 09: 02
    "Therefore, I can't say anything censorship about the cries of" extinguish at any cost ", I'm sorry. Just because it can be the cost of human lives. And even with the announced scale of fires of a considerable number of them ..." - and? This is the work of a person, someone can die saving forests, someone can die working as a policeman, etc.
    It is such a fire - if it is not extinguished, it grows and absorbs more and more. Rain? I’ll tell you a secret, not every rain will put out a forest fire.
    "Everyone who cannot live without extinguishing the Siberian taiga should be promptly armed with knapsack pshikalka, given a parachute, food supply and a compass, and thrown into the very heat. Let the sick ones extinguish." - the author, you are rare, I don't even want to write who.

    Another article on the next whitening of officials and services that do not do their job.
  31. +11
    3 August 2019 09: 04
    Taiga burns every year. Hence the questions - Why did they bring the situation to an emergency? What were the people involved in fighting forest fires doing? Why, without a "magic pendal", everyone only reports - there is no threat to settlements! And after the "pendal" reports went - so many fires were eliminated, measures were taken to initiate precipitation. Conclusion: negligence of officials, lack of logistics and clear plans. And excuses like - "black lumberjacks" are to blame for all the fires are simply ridiculous! With such a repressive apparatus, the state cannot cope with forest thieves. ? Or are all officials an LLC for cutting budget money? Drank, it's time to start planting, in the literal and figurative sense of the word. hi Question to the author of the article - why you will not wait for the rains when your house lights up, but will you call 03? Or do you still wait for the rain? wassat
    1. +7
      3 August 2019 09: 30
      Quote: fif21
      Why, without a "magic pendal", everyone just reports

      Because we have it in all areas, manual control, pounding.
    2. -6
      3 August 2019 10: 37
      Quote: fif21
      Taiga burns every year. Hence the questions- Why did they bring the situation to emergency?

      Is she extreme? The taiga area is 15 million sq km and 35000 sq km is a quarter of a percent.
  32. +1
    3 August 2019 09: 50
    In 2010, it burned well too, especially in the Moscow region. Muscovites suffered from suffocation. All forces were put out to extinguish. These are a few airplanes and turntables .. And that’s all ... We managed to SELL the rest of the aircraft fire equipment over the hill. Then it worked out, plus the Italian sent two planes to help, but they rented two turntables from the Aizers, SOLD to them earlier ..
    For 9 years, nothing has changed! Equipment is still lacking. Who is to blame for this?
    Weather? Arsonists? Or the authorities that didn’t do anything during this time?
    ps A fire can be extinguished if there is a sufficient amount of equipment. They pulled up army aviation and after a couple of days in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, the fires began to decline ...
  33. +3
    3 August 2019 09: 59
    I get the feeling that the forest is being set on fire.
    For example:
    1. Illegal deforestation - to hide the traces of crime. (Like in Ukraine, ammunition depots are on fire)
    2. Cut the budget money to extinguish fires - the Emergencies Ministry generals do not have enough money for a luxurious life.
    Maybe readers have more options.
    1. 0
      3 August 2019 10: 41
      Do peat bogs burn in order to conceal the theft of peat? Do not talk nonsense.
  34. +3
    3 August 2019 09: 59
    So maybe it was not worth bringing to a situation where millions of hectares are already burning?
  35. +4
    3 August 2019 10: 03
    Sorry, I didn’t read you to the end, but the first paragraphs were very outraged. You are not a taiga - any kid from our village is at least pissed on this fire and trampled. Forests always burned, even before the birth of my grandfather. And this does not change, at least in the near future. P.S. from me to the taiga 2 minutes go in childhood was.
  36. 0
    3 August 2019 10: 12
    Quote: RUSmen
    I get the feeling that the forest is being set on fire.
    For example:
    1. Illegal deforestation - to hide the traces of crime. (Like in Ukraine, ammunition depots are on fire)
    2. Cut the budget money to extinguish fires - the Emergencies Ministry generals do not have enough money for a luxurious life.
    Maybe readers have more options.

    Yes, you go with your cuttings ... Forgive me, it’s sharp - you, you personally do not care about the forest at all ... Then just to write something ... or rock the political situation. For you personally - there have always been cuttings since the time of King Peas. Why weren’t you interested in this under Peas? You just can’t imagine the scale of the taiga ... the Amazon is resting.
  37. +4
    3 August 2019 10: 19
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    Sorry, I didn’t read you to the end, but the first paragraphs were very outraged. You are not a taiga - any kid from our village is at least pissed on this fire and trampled. Forests always burned, even before the birth of my grandfather. And this does not change, at least in the near future. P.S. from me to the taiga 2 minutes go in childhood was.


    The fact that the forests were always hot was a fact, but the fact is that it is not the fact of the fire that matters, but its scale. Tell us, when was the last time Irkutsk was so filled with smoke?
    1. +2
      3 August 2019 20: 19
      forests are always hot, well, fact

      Yes, they burned, but not as much as under Putin. My brother has been living in Kazakhstan for 60 years, so he says that only the last few years the haze from Russian fires began to reach them, even the sun was hiding. They didn’t have this before.
      Therefore, do not flood about the fact that it has always been so - so it has become now.
      1. -1
        3 August 2019 20: 50
        Quote: Fan-Fan
        burned, but not as much as under Putin’s rule

        Listen, dear ... uzbogsya already stop

        In 1972 near Moscow peatlands burned. Under Brezhnev yet. You leave the house - and on 10 meters you already see nothing. I remember it very well, the 2010 year compared to that - children's toys.

        You want to tell me that under the same Brezhnev taiga did not burn? Well schazz Yes
        1. +2
          3 August 2019 21: 34
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          burned, but not as much as under Putin’s rule

          Listen, dear ... uzbogsya already stop

          In 1972 near Moscow peatlands burned. Under Brezhnev yet. You leave the house - and on 10 meters you already see nothing. I remember it very well, the 2010 year compared to that - children's toys.

          You want to tell me that under the same Brezhnev taiga did not burn? Well schazz Yes

          hi
          Yes, then (1972) about 90000 tons of water was poured onto burning peat bogs per day. They put out the whole country.
          Py.Sy. By the way, that fire was finally extinguished only after the collapse of the "blocking anticyclone" and the onset of cold weather.
  38. +4
    3 August 2019 10: 26
    Firefighters and the Ministry of Emergency Situations should deal with extinguishing fires - this is their work and their direct responsibility. Volunteers can only provide assistance to professionally working teams of rescuers and firefighters, and just these firefighters - no, since it turns out that putting out fires in the country is not advisable.
    Instead of using firefighting aircraft for their intended purpose on fires, they are "driven" through parades during a fire. And when they were sent to the fire, the equipment broke down (I'm talking about the BE-200).
    No need to look for arsonists and spies - you need to deal with problems in your country, not window dressing! It’s ridiculous to read the news, about offers to help in the fires in Greece, when they can’t put out their fires and are talking nonsense about economic feasibility! You tell about economic feasibility to those people who live there - now there are Martian landscapes!
    1. +8
      3 August 2019 11: 14
      Extinguishing fires in a stable time was dealt with by forest guards. With a built system and financing.

      And then financial flows went to another side.
  39. I understand ... Kuzovkov’s grandchildren set fire to the forest with his propaganda statements ....
    If every year, three Moscow regions will burn out. plus they will cut down, restore a little, then (7700000 km² forest area in Russia / Moskovskaya Square 44 km²x 300 = 3 km² will burn annually / Cutting area 132900-30000 km² annually) total, there will be no forests in 3600-45 years, taking into account black felling and frail reforestation figures.
    At the same time, go try to write out the forest without torment .... if possible ...
    Did you know that every Russian citizen is legally entitled to 150 cubic meters of forest for free ?!
    The legislation provides for the allocation of forest to a citizen of the Russian Federation and his family for the construction of a house in an amount of not more than 150 cubic meters once every 25 years. In addition, forest allocation is also provided for home repairs, up to 50 cubic meters once every five years. Standards for the allocation of forests and the timing of its provision may vary in different regions of the Russian Federation. At the same time, citizens who have lost their homes as a result of a fire or emergency have the right to extraordinary forest allocation upon presentation of relevant certificates.
    That is what our country has always been rich in, so it is forests (!?). The “Forest Code” of the Russian Federation provides for the possibility of providing citizens with forests for building a house for free. It would seem a real chance to save on construction.
    But how is everything really? http://stkproekt.ru/kazhdomu-rossiyaninu-po-zakonu-polagaetsya-150-kubov-lesa-besplatno/
    1. -8
      3 August 2019 18: 55
      Forests with at least another 500 years are enough - in case of fires and felling every year for 20 million cubic meters.
  40. +5
    3 August 2019 11: 27
    Quote: yashacat
    We seem to have "unparalleled" means. He can use satellites to identify hot spots and quickly eliminate them

    Until we get rid of the "unparalleled" bureaucratic thieves' trash nothing will change - so the forests will burn every year and every time more and more!
  41. +4
    3 August 2019 11: 29
    I agree if the fire went to its full and do not extinguish, it is impossible. They make fire strips so that they don’t go further — they localize the fire, but often this doesn’t help either - if the horse rips it on the drum. A friend works in the air guard, a paratrooper. So he told me, the horse even crosses small channels. Once they nearly burned down, made this strip, as the horse came to them, escaped only by flight, even the bulldozer and the camp were abandoned. They fled to the river, there they were in the water. Really extinguishing forest fires is difficult and dangerous.
    But on the other hand, after optimization, at least in our country, mainly the fire department in the villages was gone. In general, there is no professional protection of settlements from forest fires. I remember a few years ago all summer went in a fog, there were no flights because of this. You go out into the yard in the morning, it is not visible - milk. In one village, a couple of houses burned down, they somehow fought back with cash - the local population. True and air protection, leshoz, etc. before that, on the way to the village, protective strips were made. At that time, as many as 2 Byashki drove us to the area. One flew for a short time, something broke, and stood at the airport)) The second one was flying, watered. The problem is organization, cash and funds.
    1. +6
      3 August 2019 12: 33
      Namely, the problem is in the organization. But this is not visible on the ground. "I don't think it's a coincidence."
  42. -9
    3 August 2019 11: 47
    Quote: armata_armata
    So I understand that if it is a natural disaster to be near Moscow, it will be extinguished by all means, if it is not economically profitable in Siberia, let it all burn with a white flame, everything could not break through the Ural Mountains.

    Look at the map carefully. Take the ruler, measure the distance.
  43. -8
    3 August 2019 11: 50
    Quote: fif21
    Question to the author of the article - why you will not wait for the rains when your house lights up, but will you call 03? Or do you still wait for the rain? wassat

    Especially for cabinet strategists.
    The scale of the personal home and the Siberian taiga are very different. Even on a map accessible to any oppositionist Eru, this is understandable. Even 5th grade students are looking at a map and guessing something.
    Only fighters with the regime do not understand this.
    1. +2
      3 August 2019 12: 16
      Are you talking about this card?

  44. +7
    3 August 2019 12: 07
    EMERCOM of Russia: Fire is the cause of large-scale fires in Siberia.

    Now that the reasons are established, the fire-fighting deal will go faster.
    1. -4
      3 August 2019 14: 04
      fires have been and will be every year. the states last year and Greece blazed. calm down
      1. -1
        3 August 2019 20: 23
        Yes there were, but not as large as recently.
        1. -2
          3 August 2019 23: 26
          There were more than 72 years, 10 years.
      2. 0
        4 August 2019 04: 05
        Yes you will calm down. We have ALREADY 1/4 of Greece burned down
  45. +8
    3 August 2019 12: 30
    The author, but is there nothing wrong with the fact that you start to lie right away? When was it in the USSR that children were left to their own devices? There was none. Played where they wanted, it’s true, but why put us homeless? But the author is self-conscious. For nothing, that at the very stigma in the fluff. No tantrums. It always burned. Everywhere. The world has not turned upside down. Although, probably, he turned over. Shit sprinkled on top, which does not fit into the usual worldview.
  46. +11
    3 August 2019 12: 53
    It is necessary to proceed from the very beginning, i.e. from the replacement of the Forest Code, due to which the forests were left without foresters and they were replaced by bears and "black lumberjacks". Who pushed through this Code and why. As Comrade Stalin I.V. "Each mistake has a name and surname." And the fires are just a consequence of all this.
    1. +4
      3 August 2019 14: 38
      Quote: tank64rus
      As Comrade IV Stalin said. "Each mistake has a name and surname." And the fires are just a consequence of all this.

      I agree absolutely! There is a remark on the quote: Kaganovich was the first to say this phrase and it sounded like this: "Every mistake has a surname, name and position."
  47. BAI
    +5
    3 August 2019 13: 19
    it is necessary to extinguish at any cost forest fires, sometimes located at a distance of hundreds or even thousands of kilometers from the nearest housing,

    You must understand that this is not a deserted taiga. We were in the fire zone, the nearest housing was 300 km. Those. we, the tourists (walking in an organized manner, with registration and notification of the Krasnoyarsk tourist club) were on fire, and we rendered medical assistance to a local hunter who had suffered from fires. Firstly, he saved the property in the winter quarters, and secondly, there was a season for the delivery of property to the winter quarters. Those. even in seemingly uninhabited areas there are people and fires pose a mortal danger to them.
    Therefore, it is necessary to control the situation - whether there are people in the fire zone, but to save people and somehow it is necessary residential buildings. Based on this, it is determined where to stew. We rafted for 10 days on the scorched territory - about 300 - 400 km.
    The fire itself burned out without any extinction.
  48. -1
    3 August 2019 14: 41
    How much does a forest cost and how much it burns. A fire cleanses the forest, deoxidizes the soil, and gives new life. It burned, burns and will burn, the law of nature.
    But the fact that the hypanuli this year is not childish is yes .... Well, for those who like to scream that this was not the case before - "The Living Fight" by the great classic Fedoseyev Grigory Anisimovich.
  49. +3
    3 August 2019 14: 47
    First of all, separate the flies from cutlets. Natural and occasional fires from deliberate arson. And here it is already tearing the Mudebei to the root for those who burn, who order and who roof.
  50. +5
    3 August 2019 15: 58
    Three categories of people are interested in fires today.
    Firstly, these are people involved in the burning of burned wood. After all, as soon as the forest has burned down, it is possible to carry out its continuous felling, regardless of whether the forest has matured for this or not. It is known that a young forest that has not yet reached the state of commercial timber will not be officially allowed to cut. But after a fire, please, any procurer can get permission to cut. In a fire, the wood of the trunks of living trees does not burn, is not destroyed, and is almost not damaged, while maintaining its technical qualities, it can be harvested.
    Secondly, foresters themselves and forest agency employees are interested in fires. Each year, forest fire groups conclude contracts for tens of millions of rubles for fire extinguishing. And foresters get money as they present these works. That is, fires are planned in advance. It turns out that foresters have good official earnings when there are fires.
    The third category of people interested in forest fires consists of people who are responsible for the preservation of the forest. After all, someone must be punished for the stolen forest, and if the forest burns down, no one is responsible for this theft. Therefore, a fire is the best way to hide the traces of a very widespread operation, when at first the forest is cut down where it is convenient for the "harvester", and then an allegedly "spontaneous" fire is set up in the place of these predatory logging.
    1. 0
      3 August 2019 17: 54
      About the second category, more in detail, please.

      What can be planned?
      Subventions are subventions.

      And those who put out “without time off and days off”, and see how the results of labor burn out - and are interested in fires?

      There must be common sense.
  51. +2
    3 August 2019 17: 15
    The arsonists were filmed from the plane
  52. +11
    3 August 2019 18: 59
    Sorry author... but I slightly disagree with the article.. I don’t need to read forums and websites, listen to news and radio, I don’t need fairy tales... I live here! In the Irkutsk region! And I was at these fires personally! I was in Evenkia (Krasnoyarsk Territory) in the Kodinsk area... The forest guards landed in the thick of it!!! I've seen a lot.... yes there is a lot of typing. Yes, and you can’t tell everything.. It's a complete mess!!!!! The article is honestly absurd :)))) They don’t know a lot up there..... I also saw enough of aerial reconnaissance, where young pilots were in radio conversations between north and south.. confused.. And how the helicopter doesn’t take our group commanders on board to at least look around the squares!!! They don't have enough kerosene!!!!! The top people in Moscow probably don’t understand.. Let me give you an example of our own fire site. Our group (6 people) arrived in the area first.. at 4 pm On the 131st ZIL and a pickup truck. We only have shovels and backpacks (knapsacks) with us :))) At that time, we still didn’t understand what hell we had found ourselves in... It was like a deployment to patrol the localization... who could have known then that in a day the blood pressure would begin... next to the road there is a clearing about 200 by 200 meters :) I think it’s a convenient place to place the group’s camp... but some instinct told me that the place is very flat and convenient.. We descended about a hundred meters into the lowland, set up camp, and were not mistaken. About 30 minutes later I hear the turntable coming, I try to contact by radio on their frequency... They are silent, turning around and landing. Hovered, troops landed, also about six people... With the equipment, Vertushka left. We met :) and so there were already 12 of us.. But what's the point!!!! We are in the HELL of the horsemen..!!! The only equipment is a pickup truck and the 131st kung.... Something needs to be done! Time was running out! We split up to at least get our bearings!!! There was no aerial reconnaissance data.. The map is only approximate! We tried to cut something off somewhere, bypass it and close it somewhere.... Useless!!! That's how the first day went... We understood one thing... without “tanks” (that’s what we called bulldogs).. nothing to do... At 5 am the first trawl broke through to us. Well, we were happy :) At least there was one tank :)) But by the middle of the day it was +35! and the breeze is good.. (and the tank and two soldiers with it were thrown along the edge to cut off the outbreak 2 km. at least hold something) the horseman has risen!!!! The tank was almost burned!! They left on fire... Then we hear the screws again... eight again... We actually got in touch this time... He asks where the landing site is, and we answer: do you see the road? trawl, 131st, bulldog, pickup? -I see.. a kilometer east of us is a site, as you understand!? - understood ... after 5 minutes and two laps: - where is the site? -.......??!!!!??? - a nickel 200 to 200 yo mayo!!:))))))) Then this whole “disco” moved to the group’s location.. The horse rides 200 meters from the camp. We understand from the terrain that if we don’t hold the hill from the east, then the platform for the turntable will be on fire (the spare one was already on fire... without options), and he will cut off the only road, and we would like to get out ourselves..... They fought off for XNUMX hours!!! No one even thought about sleeping and relaxing in groups!!! It was scary behind 131.. fire everywhere, heat... and tanks with gasoline..:)) And, finally, reinforcements!:)) over the course of 4 days, troops landed 4 more times, one group was replaced by 6 people, 12 people arrived to replace ours :).. Kamaz Kung, two more tanks and one Kolesnik :) It became easier... they brought the walkie-talkies... and the provisions were running out... Can't tell you everything... Overall it was "fun".... then we would be in the heat of the Be-200 or Il-76 aircraft....... at least one board!!!!!! But who the hell needed us there?
    1. +3
      3 August 2019 22: 38
      Amazing story! A thousand pluses to you and many thanks for your military work! hi hi
      About a year ago I had the opportunity to watch an American film about successful firefighters. All was good. But then they put out the fire and still got caught. Everything burned down. The film was based on real events. Take care of yourself!
  53. +3
    3 August 2019 22: 08
    Forest is a strategic resource. If felling is carried out, then planting must also be carried out. Wasting the national heritage is a betrayal of the motherland. Including allowing such fires. And the conversation with traitors to the homeland is short.
    1. +2
      4 August 2019 03: 56
      Be careful. For such statements, “Navalnyata” records and “issues” a State Department manual
    2. 0
      4 August 2019 05: 22
      Forest planting is carried out regularly.
      1. 0
        4 August 2019 14: 22
        This is great news. It remains to clarify the details: how much was planted and how many years must pass for a fresh planting to become a commercial forest? And what about >2.5 million hectares that have burned? Who is responsible for negligence and indifference?
  54. +3
    4 August 2019 01: 05
    It's useless to extinguish, then let's set fire to more. Let's burn everything out and finally suffer. When the next shopping center goes up in flames, don’t rush to put it out either. It's dangerous, expensive, and you can wait for rain.
  55. +3
    4 August 2019 02: 31
    By the way, extinguishing forest fires is a special science,
    Do you think this is a textbook? Nope, this is a study guide for a coursework! The largest one, by the way, for other subjects there are ordinary thin notebooks.
  56. +4
    4 August 2019 03: 19
    The author is in the fire (not literally). That is, don’t put out the forests? You say terrible words. People were screaming on YouTube about the start of the fires. The authorities did not hear them. Now what? Showing off? We started to simmer. I would like to see their reaction if oil wells and gas pipelines catch fire
  57. +6
    4 August 2019 03: 51
    What kind of nonsense is this scribbler writing? And some here are indigenous with dry thunderstorms. There are no coincidences! The well-known former head of the Accounts Chamber of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, Tatyana Davydenko, spoke about the theft and sale of timber for pennies. It's just that someone is trying to hide the scale of the theft. Putin's refusal to help Trump????! This is generally cynicism, similar to his statement about the Kursk submarine: “it just sank.” A comrade from the Ministry of Emergency Situations was in the Irkutsk region and at a fire in Siberia now. The power is hidden by seven stories.
    1. +2
      4 August 2019 13: 11
      the forest was stolen for 30 years. Now, when they started to sort of establish legislation and sort of tighten it up for illegal logging, it suddenly caught fire on such a scale...
  58. +1
    4 August 2019 13: 45
    It is clear that forest fires are largely a natural factor. Dry grass, pine branches. A drop of water, the sun and fire started.
    But we shouldn’t deny the human factor either. I live in Karelsky, near Vyborg. Since the 90s, there has been intensive deforestation. They sawed along the roads. It looks like a forest, but to the side there are bald spots.
    Those who were in power at that time and their children had preferences. They rose from this not bad. And you don’t need much intelligence. A brigade of Moldovans, chainsaws and transport.
    They cut down so that hectares of forest were exposed. Not visible in the distance. And only about two years later they seemed to stop, they say the LADY was shown the footage from drones, he was horrified. Or maybe the forest is over.
    But the worst thing is that when cutting conifers, the branches were left on the ground and not processed. And it's like gunpowder.
    There is no land in Karelian, just sand and stones. And new forests do not grow in cleared areas. The guys who organized the felling apparently thought that they would no longer live in the Russian Federation. Only Europe.
    In Soviet times, my neighbor was almost imprisoned because he cut down a pine tree on his property. This is probably overkill, but apparently we can’t do without it.
  59. +2
    4 August 2019 14: 19
    Effective managers in action!
  60. +1
    4 August 2019 14: 37
    Tell me, in the first picture, does the man standing half-turn towards us have a boil on his head? My vision has become weak, something...
  61. 0
    4 August 2019 16: 34
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    forests are always hot, well, fact

    Yes, they burned, but not as much as under Putin. My brother has been living in Kazakhstan for 60 years, so he says that only the last few years the haze from Russian fires began to reach them, even the sun was hiding. They didn’t have this before.
    Therefore, do not flood about the fact that it has always been so - so it has become now.


    Are you really answering me? I'm just asking if this happened before.
  62. +1
    4 August 2019 20: 26
    “Yes, citizens, we must sit and wait for the rains. And the officials, who for a long time veiledly sent us to the well-known letters, were for once right. I, who have written dozens of devastating articles about our government, now can only wish him patience and good luck. Send us through the forest, Dmitry Anatolyevich!

    Even better would be to announce a large-scale gathering of volunteers. Everyone who cannot live without extinguishing the Siberian taiga should be promptly armed with backpack guns, given a parachute, a supply of food and a compass, and thrown into the thick of it. Let the sick ones stew."

    You can also wait for the cancer to hang on the mountain. Only in a few of them you can’t breathe! Volunteers work somewhere and have responsibilities at least to their families. You don't care about them! Suddenly, on the fourth million hectares, the government decided that there was no need to wait. If only it had decided this earlier. Under this government, it’s not only the land that is burning under our feet, millions of hectares. Pollinators of 95% of agricultural crops are dying en masse. Washing away cities. During the five-year period, the purchasing power of the population is falling, the country is dying out.... But not everything is so bad, and even quite the opposite, for some the Bug died, and for others “everything is fine, beautiful marquise, things are going well and life is easy.” Why does the country need such servants and whose servants are they in fact, in fact?
  63. 0
    4 August 2019 23: 05
    The army already put it out in one day.
  64. +1
    5 August 2019 20: 06
    Some time has passed since the author wrote the article and I decided to express my opinion about fires in general, like a professional fireman(and they trained us well; when we left for the reserves, we were all good professionals in our field). Otherwise, such a “holivar” was staged here with rudeness, even beyond saints. I served in the higher education institutions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Kyrgyz Republic from 1993 -1996. He retired to the reserve with the rank of senior sergeant as a senior firefighter (the most experienced fighter, works with the barrel, is one of the first to enter a fire, conducts reconnaissance, takes command of a unit or a squad of fighters in necessary cases). For more than 3 years of service, there were more than one hundred combat missions, sometimes up to 7 trips per day. Now it’s like that. Most fires (more than 90%) occur for 2 reasons. 1- careless handling of fire. 2- different short circuits, such as electrical wiring. Now let's figure out what it is - careless handling of fire? This is 100% human factor! What does this mean? This means that any individual, accidentally, intentionally, or drunkenly committed arson. All. Various short circuits are in most cases again a human factor, the wiring was laid out incorrectly, the work was done carelessly, the wrong materials were in the wrong place, proper control was not carried out. All. Regarding forest fires, today in the news they said that for the most part it is careless handling of fire, i.e., the human factor, i.e. arson of various types, unintentional or intentional, let the relevant specialists sort it out here( who, who benefits from it, needs it, accidentally set it on fire, not by accident, etc.). Important points are highlighted in bold. hi
    1. +1
      7 August 2019 10: 53
      Does anyone know about forest fire fighting tactics? A large forest fire cannot be extinguished, and dumping water is a poultice for the dead. Yes, populated areas need to be defended, otherwise a large fire can be extinguished either by fire or by using mineralized strips. Everything else, including the holivar regarding this article and in the media, is chatter from those who don’t understand and a desire to escalate the situation...
      PS and the area of ​​fires is only a few% more than last year, there were more% per year than now, but they were silent... and now it’s clear that they really need to support the piling up in the swing of the situation, otherwise they can’t do it...ugh , disgusting...
      1. 0
        7 August 2019 14: 46
        Quote: Oleg1
        Does anyone know about forest fire fighting tactics? A large forest fire cannot be extinguished, and dumping water is a poultice for the dead. Yes, populated areas need to be defended, and so a large fire is extinguished; it is extinguished either by oncoming fire or by using

        They did not deal specifically with forest fires. The service took place in mountainous areas and populated areas, occasionally they went to localize burning dry grass, they were mainly engaged in excavation work, if there was a steppe, large enough area, hot, dry and windy, they simply called in tractors, bulldozers and other similar equipment, the area was “plowed up” “from all possible sides, it was called a “plowing”, and they were simply waiting for this territory to burn down. Regarding forest fires, they only conducted introductory work with us in the form of lectures, because... the region was completely different. We were given tactics from the Soviet period. We were told that in forestry there are services, such as foresters, who must monitor the situation, know the locations of reservoirs, these places were designated and strictly monitored. The forest was divided into sections, and clearings were forcedly cut there, which were designed to stop the fire coming mainly from the bottom, on top and in the wind it was already difficult to contain, if not impossible. They also used the “plowing” method in the forest, trying to “drive” the fire to previously designated bodies of water. “Oncoming fire” was also used, when fire was driven into the wind and only at convenient moments, and in a suitable direction, the presence of weather forecasters and the like is mandatory in such cases... But you understand what kind of coordination of all services such work requires, what material costs and personnel training? I don’t know how it is now... I finished my service in 1996, we were trained according to Soviet textbooks and training manuals, specifically, I have never been to forest fires, our region was mountains, a city, partly steppe... request
        1. 0
          8 August 2019 11: 35
          And I was at forest fires when the whole horizon was bloody at night...
          The main reason for the increase in fires in some year is unfavorable hot and windy weather... and only unworthy people make hype about the grief of forest destruction. I hope there are no such people here.
          1. 0
            8 August 2019 12: 20
            Quote: Oleg1
            The main reason for the increase in fires in any given year is unfavorable hot and windy weather...

            I listed the main causes of fires above, these reasons are the main ones in the territory of the former USSR (forest, steppe, city, mountains - it doesn’t matter), and maybe throughout the world. On television they said on the news (this means the main version of the authorities and responsible persons, the news...) that the main cause of forest fires this year is careless handling of fire, what this means, I have already listed above (again). Reasonable people will draw conclusions, and someone will hype it up, what would we do without it, times like these... request
  65. 0
    8 August 2019 13: 24
    Quote: Tank Hard
    Quote: Oleg1
    The main reason for the increase in fires in any given year is unfavorable hot and windy weather...

    I listed the main causes of fires above, these reasons are the main ones in the territory of the former USSR (forest, steppe, city, mountains - it doesn’t matter), and maybe throughout the world. On television they said on the news (this means the main version of the authorities and responsible persons, the news...) that the main cause of forest fires this year is careless handling of fire, what this means, I have already listed above (again). Reasonable people will draw conclusions, and someone will hype it up, what would we do without it, times like these... request

    You didn’t understand me, it is an axiom that careless handling of fire and arson are much more than 50% of the causes of fires. But why are there more forest fires this year than usual? Are the reasons - arson and carelessness - approximately the same every year? We are talking about the weather...in an average rainy summer, the scale of fires for natural reasons is small...heavenly rain, you know...
    1. 0
      8 August 2019 19: 23
      Quote: Oleg1
      We are talking about the weather...in an average rainy summer, the scale of fires for natural reasons is small...heavenly rain, you know..

      And I’m not arguing here. hi
  66. 0
    9 August 2019 08: 53
    Fires have recently become a system. There were no such large-scale forest fires (for smoke to reach Canada) in the USSR. Do you know why? Then there was the owner, and now there is a collection of managers on the galley, for whom tomorrow belongs to them, and not to the country.
    1. -1
      9 August 2019 12: 42
      You're lying, my friend. in 1981 in the Moscow region! there were such large-scale peat fires that even cadets were sent to put them out...all sorts of things happened.
      Threat, a fire in the taiga hundreds of kilometers from cities, do you think they put it out especially then?
      1. -1
        9 August 2019 12: 44
        Forest and peat fires in the USSR in the summer of 1972 engulfed more than a dozen regions in the central part of the country over an area of ​​1,8 million hectares[1]. The dry summer contributed to more than 40 thousand forest fires[2]. About 360 thousand people took part in extinguishing the fires[1]. 1972 was a year with increased solar activity, a deficit of snow, spring moisture and a lack of rain in spring and summer. [3]:117
        In the Moscow region, 19 villages burned down, killing 104 people[2]. In the Gorky region, the fire destroyed 460 thousand hectares of forest, in the Mari Autonomous Republic - 195 thousand, in the Moscow and Penza regions - 25 thousand each [1].
        Threat, and this is not in the Siberian taiga!