Ruble or dollar: which currency will collapse first?

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Someone does not like a strong ruble ...


Such a low dollar rate, as it is now in Russia, has not been for five years. Financial stability based on tight monetary policy, along with those who do not want to fall in oil prices, support our national currency. At the same time, unprecedented sanctions pressure does not stop at her. It seems that the ruble is held largely due to the fact that even in the fall of 2014, it was lowered so much that it turned out to be just nowhere else.


US President Donald Trump and Fed Chairman Jerome Powell




However, the full potential of such pressure seems to be exhausted. Not even the strongest Russian banks have learned to somehow manage without foreign borrowing. Those who have not learned, or have lost the license of the Central Bank, or are under rehabilitation. It turns out that now it is possible to crush the ruble from abroad only by refusing to buy Russian securities. The West is seriously unable to do anything else.

As a result, America, along with Europe, seems to be trying to follow the path of all sorts of prohibitions and restrictions, but it is not so easy to prohibit buying what brings high and, besides, guaranteed profits. Nevertheless, to say that we do not care at all, is not necessary. Yes, from the high tribunes, we continue to be assured that the Russian economy has managed to adapt to the sanctions, but it still very acutely feels the negative consequences of the contraction of the financial and banking system.

According to estimates by Bloomberg experts, this takes away from our GDP about 0,4-0,6 percent. But still, there are far greater losses in the officially monitored volumes of production and services due to the fact that the shadow and gray sectors of the economy are again growing, as well as the degree of its offshoring. In addition, the position of the ruble, which is already beginning to seem to many to be too entrenched, may well be undermined from the inside.

Not long ago, the Bank of Russia announced that it was preparing the most significant reduction in the key rate in recent years. And whatever the officials and experts may say about the fact that the key rate has long defined little in real finance, this will inevitably lead to a sharp reduction in the cost of credit resources in the country. The banking sector may be sad about it all, the OFZ's profitability and attractiveness, of course, will fall, but the real sector of the economy and ordinary citizens will certainly get easier from reducing the cost of credit.


The dynamics of the key rate of the Central Bank of Russia for a long time does not look frightening


However, with the rate in the Central Bank will be dealt with a little later, but now many are anxiously waiting for the meeting on the monetary policy of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which is scheduled for Friday 26 July. A number of experts do not exclude that its results will become a kind of signal that the ruble will turn in the direction of depreciation of the exchange rate. But those who are very actively investing in ruble assets today may be disappointed.

Another serious risk for the Russian currency may be a measure that is often called a technical measure in our financial institutions. It's about the notorious "fiscal rule", which cuts off excess oil and gas revenues. And although in July 26, the cut-off bar is unlikely to be raised, if the Central Bank only hints that this is possible, the ruble can immediately lose not the shares, but whole interest on the exchange rate.

At the same time, active purchases of currency by the Bank of Russia continue to restrain the pace of strengthening against the dollar gained by the ruble. Up to the exchange rate mark in 60 rubles. Further strengthen the ruble is unlikely to succeed. The main thing is that the Central Bank still has a free hand to buy currency for the Ministry of Finance. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation in general is now in fact found itself in a somewhat strange situation, when it is with its own hands that it must refute its own decision to relax foreign exchange controls.

In the opinion of opposition-minded analysts, such a decision would seem to completely deprive the Russian budget of dollar revenues. But inside the country, the ruble will continue to be in demand, otherwise it will be difficult for the same exporters to get the most expensive ruble per dollar.

And yet, there are those who predict our currency by the end of the year to fall to the level of 69 rubles for a dollar. And if someone else had appointed this course to the ruble, and not the best forecaster of the Bloomberg version, Bank Polski’s currency strategist Yaroslav Kosaty, one would not have to worry. But if earlier Kosaty accurately predicted the growth of the ruble exchange rate in the second quarter of 2019, now he has become a pessimist about the prospects for the Russian currency.

Ruble or dollar: which currency will collapse first?


Interestingly, the Polish expert connects his poor prognosis with the prospect of a strong reduction in the rate of the Central Bank. Now the high rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (7,50% per annum) supports the interest of foreign investors in Russian securities, and if it is lowered, we should expect an outflow of foreign investments in Russian federal loan bonds (OFZ).

“The reduction in the key rate will cease to be sufficient to meet market expectations. The negative effects of the Central Bank rate reduction will be stronger than the positive ones ”,

- declared Bloomberg Kosaty.

In June 2019, the volume of investments by foreign investors in Russian bonds reached, according to the data of the Central Bank, 30%. If, under the pressure of new US sanctions, investors begin to massively dump our OFZs, the situation may be such that they simply cannot find buyers. With such a local default, only a concerted purchase of securities at a cheap price from the largest Russian banks, which in such a case are forced to violate all high standards of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, can save them.

... and someone - a strong dollar!


Generally, while among analysts, those who are optimistic about the ruble remain in the majority. Albeit with a small margin. But with respect to the dollar, the majority are quite pessimistic. Cold reconciliation with China again pushes the US foreign trade to a standstill - it is again unable to cover the negative balance, and the US Federal Reserve simply has no other option than to play against the dollar.

It cannot be ruled out that in the very majority of pessimists there are many who complain about the poor prospects of the American currency quite consciously. And not even free. However, starting the week may not be easy at all, not only for the ruble, but also for the dollar.

Already on Wednesday 24 July, the first data will become known which way the trade balance in the USA is changing. Published figures can be another point for plotting, which will show how much the dollar’s ​​excess appreciation depends on the real prospects for winning Trump’s trade wars.

On Friday there will be preliminary data on US GDP for the second quarter, which will certainly be perceived in the same way. But the most expected information at the end of July is the data of the semi-annual financial statements of the largest corporations, most of which are transnational. They are in the trade wars started by Trump, very calmly located on both sides of the front.



Leaders of the IT-industry and related industries feel particularly comfortable in this regard. Remember the situation with Huawei, seemingly uniquely Chinese. But she was so tied to all the other IT-corporations that, having hit her, the Trump administration fell into the position of the very non-commissioned officer widow who had whipped herself.

Transnational giants successfully operate with all possible currencies with minimal restrictions, and the fact that, by all indications, the dependence of the dollar on other currencies will only increase, they generally care little. Even cryptocurrency, they have long been turned into network surrogates of the same dollar, which can be judged at least by the offers of buying Bitcoin and others like it on the Internet. The minimum margin, the rate, invariably expressed in dollars, the lowest commission, and virtually no bureaucracy. Looking for some more proof?

Nevertheless, the signal to ensure that the exchange correction of the "green" resumed, more precisely, continued, it seems, will be about to be filed. But this will happen only with very bad corporate reporting indicators. With all the other scenarios, and the most likely is now considered moderately negative, nothing will change drastically. And this dollar rollback someone will have to wait again. Perhaps even a very long time.

But in principle, the Trump administration, together with the Fed, seems to be trying to get the dollar to roll back at least once. No wonder that the head of the Federal Reserve, Jerome Powell, with enviable regularity, makes quite “transparent hints” that the US currency is very hot. However, the dollar in any scenario, it seems, will not be able to greatly decrease. Start with the fact that all the threats of Europeans and OPEC to abandon payments for oil and gas in dollars remain threats. And it's not even that you can run into sanctions.

The benefits are too dubious, and claims for some kind of independence are clearly not justified. Well, the costs that may be required to translate such an idea into life can hardly be compared with a ghostly profit, which, moreover, will not be direct, but indirect. It is clear that the numerous buyers of the American weapons, Latin American satellites, and of course, the drug mafia. And most importantly, the first who will be behind the scenes, but purposefully working to ensure that the dollar does not fall, will be China.

The CCP, at its plenary meetings and conferences, will continue to brand the imperialists and replicate the reports of the victory in the trade war with “the wretched Trump and his clique.” Meanwhile, the People’s Bank of China will quietly buy exactly as many dollars as is needed to maintain an acceptable balance in foreign trade and in the budget. And in which case it will be possible to conclude a couple of dozen long-term agreements with OPEC countries and Russia for future deliveries of oil and gas. Of course, not in yuan and rubles, but in dollars. And this, of course, will again support the Russian ruble.
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  1. +14
    23 July 2019 04: 35
    That's why there is coffee grounds!
    If the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is fully controlled by the Fed, the IMF and the largest Western banks, then they will, as they want.
    And "whether there is life on Mars, whether there is life on Mars - science is unknown"
    1. +16
      23 July 2019 04: 42
      It turns out that one can now push the ruble from abroad only by refusing to buy Russian securities. The West is simply not capable of seriously doing anything else.

      Many people are aware of several ways to put pressure on the ruble, starting with changes in hydrocarbon prices and ending with pressure on the banking system of the Russian Federation. Need to repeat Brzezinski’s words until he reaches the very last?
      “... while in American banks lies $ 500 billion belonging to the Russian elite. You still figure out whose elite it is - yours or ours already».
      You will also figure out who is at the head of the Russian government: the people's representatives or the appointees of the very "elite" that has completely different residence permits.
      In the 91st have already shown how the ruble collapses. Are there any preconditions that today everything will be different? I can very likely ONLY ASSUME that each of us will remain with his own - do you have a lot of your own?
      hi
      1. +17
        23 July 2019 05: 58
        Quote: ROSS 42
        each of us will remain with his own - do you have many of your own?

        - The secret of wealth is to easily part with money.
        “Lord, I can’t meet with them at all.” smile
        1. +9
          23 July 2019 09: 11
          . In June 2019, the volume of investments foreign investors in Russian bonds reached, according to the CBG 30%. If under pressure from new US sanctions Investors our OFZs will begin to massively dump, the situation may be such that there simply aren’t any buyers on them. With such a local default

          These are not investors. These are international speculators who warm their hands on the "expensive" ruble (due to the key rate of 7,5%). After all, you cannot remove such foam in dollar bonds. But these speculators, unlike investors, do not enter assets for long. Throw them off from any breeze.
          Whether we need such "investors", I strongly doubt.
      2. 0
        23 July 2019 07: 31
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Need to repeat Brzezinski’s words until he reaches the very last?
        “... while in American banks lies $ 500 billion belonging to the Russian elite. You’ll figure out whose elite is yours or ours already. ”

        Cunningly pshek. It is the Americans who appointed us in the 90-e holders of wallets, the contents of which are there. Contribution, however.
        1. +2
          23 July 2019 17: 05
          Quote: Boris55
          Cunningly pshek. It is the Americans who appointed us in the 90-e holders of wallets, the contents of which are there. Contribution, however.

          LUKAVIL-LUKAVIL and took off ...
          In the 90s, the Americans assigned us a dollar instead of the ruble. Only this currency has tricky features and it will not be paid at ZIL or there "Ball Bearing". And they don't store it in the Savings Bank ...
      3. +13
        23 July 2019 09: 17
        China has officially completed a campaign to investigate and abolish privatization and market reforms in the 1990s.

        According to the results of the trial, which lasted eight years, 4082 shareholders, including 1039 foreign citizens, were deprived of their property and sentenced to life imprisonment in labor camps, of which 590 in absentia. A similar punishment was received by over 6 thousand officials who arranged the sale of state property. Up to 15 thousand people all over China received various terms for promoting privatization, including law enforcement and regulatory authorities who "showed criminal inaction and did not stop wasting public property at any cost."

        The last court sent to the camps of the 62-year-old Zhao Bo, who in 1994 acquired a 22% stake in the Shenzhen Metallurgical Plant. Initially, he was sentenced to death for private ownership of national property and means of production, but, as in the case of other "counter-privatization" cases, he was allowed to "atone for society with hard life labor for the benefit of the people."

        “With this verdict, we put an end to one of the most important processes in the modern history of China,” the judge announced. “According to the current legislation and the constitution, no one has the right to own the means of production and thus exploit ordinary people. More than 20 years ago, individual enemy politicians allowed the sale of part of the national property, but now all of them, along with buyers, or rather parasites on the body of our society, have been prosecuted and convicted. The property seized from the former exploiter Zhao Bo, I decide to return to the people. "

        In total, over 8 years, China has regained factories, factories and enterprises for a total value of 122 trillion yuan. Under the threat of executions of family members of former shareholders, they also managed to return 45 trillion yuan withdrawn abroad. According to Chairman Xi Jinping, "the Chinese people have clearly spoken out about what they think of so-called privatization, and in fact - theft of socialist property."

        In China, the law prohibits private ownership of the means of production and the exploitation of wage workers. Such a measure was originally spelled out in the "Stalinist" Constitution of China, but until recently its application has been delayed. Beginning in 2012, the PRC authorities announced a policy of “popular decabalization” and intensified the persecution of the exploiters of the working class. Especially in the framework of this policy, a rule was adopted about the retroactive effect of the law - now privatization participants can be judged even if they did not formally violate any laws at the time of the purchase of shares.
        1. -4
          23 July 2019 09: 34
          Source - PIKABU?
        2. -5
          23 July 2019 09: 51
          First, the state allows the purchase of enterprises, and then shoots for it. Good state, you can’t say anything. Communists in their repertoire.
        3. +1
          23 July 2019 12: 52
          Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
          In China, the law prohibits private ownership of the means of production and the exploitation of wage workers.

          What are you? Do you name the law number by any chance?
          1. 0
            24 July 2019 22: 45
            Strange, but how did private people do in China?
        4. 0
          24 July 2019 09: 06
          did you compose it yourself, or who wrote it off?
      4. 0
        23 July 2019 14: 42
        Any dollar, I remember it from the "International Panorama" program of 1983)
    2. +3
      23 July 2019 07: 26
      Quote: pafegosoff
      If the CBR is fully controlled by the Fed,

      The Central Bank of the Russian Federation fully controls the government of the Russian Federation and does what it wants in the country - closes banks and opens microfinance organizations ...
      1. 0
        23 July 2019 07: 32
        Quote: aybolyt678
        CBR fully controls the government

        But who controls the government of the Russian Federation is a big question. wink
        1. +1
          23 July 2019 07: 41
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          But who controls the Russian government is subordinate - a big question.

          understood nothing
          1. -1
            23 July 2019 07: 42
            Quote: aybolyt678
            understood nothing

            Morning! wassat
            1. -1
              23 July 2019 08: 57
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Morning!

              With a morning thr ?? !!
      2. -6
        23 July 2019 08: 25
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Morning!

        So it’s like Tuesday already ... it seems ... laughing

        Quote: aybolyt678
        CBR fully controls the government

        You are not right. Read the law on the central bank, it only owns furniture in Russia. If you have no time to read, see excerpts from it:

        1. -3
          23 July 2019 10: 34
          I don’t know who has Tuesday morning, but the Central Bank really controls the activities of our government and not only him, but I also think that he is the puppeteer of our president.
          1. -2
            23 July 2019 10: 37
            Quote: aybolyt678
            The central bank really controls the activities of our government ... and I also think that it is the puppeteer of our president

            Thinking like that is your sovereign right.

            The only question is how much your thoughts correspond to the actual state of affairs. wink
        2. -2
          23 July 2019 10: 37
          And who is this on video?
          Another mega-expert from the opposition?
        3. +1
          23 July 2019 12: 55
          Quote: Boris55
          You're not right. Read the law on the central bank, it only owns furniture in Russia

          Have you even read it yourself?
      3. 0
        23 July 2019 08: 55
        Name at least one state microfinance organization. They are, as it were, all to one in private hands.
        1. 0
          23 July 2019 14: 19
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          nor, as it were, all to one in private hands.

          I will not name, and you name at least one state bank?
          1. 0
            23 July 2019 14: 26
            Central Bank of the Russian Federation
    3. 0
      23 July 2019 08: 09
      "Ruble or Dollar: Which Currency Will Fall First?"
      Ruble = currency?
      Confidence in the world of the dollar is falling.
      And very fast
      .European countries are trying to take their gold from the United States and Britain. From hell away. And gold is more reliable
      -in 2014, the Central Bank of the Netherlands returned 120 tons of gold to Amsterdam from New York - almost four million ounces. Thus, 30 percent of the Dutch gold reserves remain in the United States.
      - In 2017, Turkey took away its gold reserve, which was stored in the US Federal Reserve, 28,689 tons. The largest Turkish private banks also withdrawn their gold reserves from abroad. In total, 220 tons of gold were returned to the country from abroad. In total, Ankara has 591 tons (data at the end of 2018) And in 2018, the Turkish Central Bank acquired another 187 tons,
      -In August 2017, Germany completed the process of returning to its homeland gold reserves from France and the United States. Since 2013, 374 tons of gold have been exported from France to Germany. This is almost 10% of the total gold reserves of the Bundesbank. Berlin took 300 tons from the US Federal Reserve. While Germany’s gold is 1,23 thousand tons, or 36% remains from the US Federal Reserve; 432 tons, or 12,8%, are in the Bank of England.
      -In 2019, Poland announced the export of its gold from UK vaults. In June 2019, the National Bank of the country bought 125,7 tons of gold, which almost doubled its reserves to 228,6 tons.
      Another sign of the passage of many countries in trade among themselves in national monetary units

      What is this talking about:
      1 "Palefaces" have become unreliable. and it is better to keep your gold at home, and not in the vaults of foreign countries in the United States. England and France export of gold home by many countries as a sign of the impending collapse of the dollar and the old financial system
      2. The return of gold home to Europe. Shows that the problem raised by the West about the Russian military threat is imaginary, and is being done to weaken the Russian economy as an economic competitor.
      Gold, with the threat of war in Europe, escapes from it into the quiet backwaters of yua, on the contrary, it goes in a wide stream home.

      The dollar will fall - the whole financial system of the world will be rolled.
      1. -2
        23 July 2019 08: 43
        At the expense of gold, and its withdrawal from the UK, do not rush to conclusions. The gold exchange is located in London.
        1. +3
          23 July 2019 08: 46
          Quote: nikvic46
          Gold Exchange is located in London

          So what? Is there gold on the scales?

          So I ask: is it necessary to bring gold to London to sell it on the London Stock Exchange?

          The withdrawal of gold from the WB and the location of the exchange are facts related to only one: in the name of both, the WB is mentioned. Everything request
          1. -3
            23 July 2019 10: 14
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            So what? Is there gold on the scales?

            It is there that several people determine the value of gold in a particular country. That is why no economist in the world has ever predicted a single crisis.
            1. 0
              23 July 2019 10: 40
              Quote: Boris55
              It is there that several people determine the value of gold in a particular country.

              Boris, you are not an automatic machine like that Gridasov. And you answer, nevertheless, the wrong question. "Quiet with yourself", type.

              To understand the essence of the question asked - is it not fate? wink
        2. 0
          23 July 2019 17: 07
          NikVic46:
          don't rush to conclusions. The gold exchange is located in London.

          Exactly 100 years ago, somewhere in the Zhmerinki region, a coffee car hung. First, all of Odessa resold it to each other, then the circle expanded significantly. I won’t be surprised if he is still being traded on one of the London sites.
      2. +4
        23 July 2019 09: 36
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Confidence in the world of the dollar is falling.

        And the ruble is growing.
        1. -6
          23 July 2019 10: 39
          No, what are you.
          Everything is exactly the opposite.
          So in YouTube, non-worthy bloggers reported.
    4. +1
      23 July 2019 09: 07
      Here is an interesting article:
      https://salik.biz/articles/61507-v-kitae-otmenili-privatizaciyu-vyneseny-rasstrelnye-prigovory.html
    5. +1
      23 July 2019 12: 45
      Quote: pafegosoff
      If the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is fully controlled by the Fed, the IMF and the largest Western banks, then they will, as they want.

      And why did you decide that it belongs to them?
    6. +1
      24 July 2019 05: 40
      Ruble and dollar. It’s ridiculous even to compare, it is worth looking at their courses in the world market.
  2. +13
    23 July 2019 05: 14
    Why wasn’t such a low rate five years ??? A couple of years ago, I remember, I was down to 56, and now it's 62. Like be, 56 is less than 62, if I remember the math correctly.
  3. +4
    23 July 2019 05: 50
    But this is an axiom! Ruble ruble will collapse.
    1. +2
      23 July 2019 08: 55
      Quote: maiman61
      But this is an axiom! Ruble ruble will collapse.

      and thank God! It is high time, because this "stability" resembles a well-known expression - a horrible end is better than an endless horror.
      1. -6
        23 July 2019 10: 40
        What country are you broadcasting from?
        1. +3
          23 July 2019 14: 21
          Quote: Mestny
          What country are you broadcasting from?

          Siberia
  4. +9
    23 July 2019 05: 59
    In the title of the article, it was necessary to write who would be brought down first. Siluanov already let slip that he would try to bring down the ruble first, for the sake of the stability of the dollar system, and Elvira would help him, the medal of the best head of the Central Bank in the world in 2015, when the ruble took last place in the currency stability rating again.
  5. +6
    23 July 2019 06: 08
    This author so softly and unpretentiously told us that, in principle, we live very well.
    And there is no reason to worry.
    Well this is all frank nonsense!
    1. -7
      23 July 2019 10: 41
      What, is the template popping?
      Less need to listen to their propagandists, revolutionaries. They totally lie.
  6. +1
    23 July 2019 06: 15
    Some daisy will fall, will not fall ...
    1. +1
      23 July 2019 08: 54
      Quote: parusnik
      Some daisy will fall, will not fall ...

      everything is turned upside down. A strong ruble means a dollar is cheaper, then import is cheaper, so manufacturers hang themselves !. A weak dollar means American goods are cheaper, so they will have a breakthrough. Weak ruble - a breakthrough with us! wassat These terms were coined by American advisers to President Yeltsin!
      it's time to work out your terminology, and not imposed on us by enemies
      1. 0
        23 July 2019 08: 59
        Quote: aybolyt678
        A weak dollar means American goods are cheaper, so they will have a breakthrough. Weak ruble - a breakthrough with us! These terms were coined by American advisers to President Yeltsin!

        Well, yes, yes ... the law of communicating vessels, too, they came up with.

        Here are some Chinese who are stupid - everyone lowers their yuan, yes they lower ... and in the States for some reason they are very dissatisfied ... strange, huh? wink

        PS: And the brakes were invented by cowards laughing
        1. +2
          23 July 2019 09: 20
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Well, yes ... they also came up with the law of communicating vessels.

          here the quote of the leader of the Apache tribe is more appropriate - "the pale-faced language is like a snake's sting - bifurcated .."
          1. -2
            23 July 2019 09: 29
            Quote: aybolyt678
            here the quote from the leader of the Apache tribe is more suitable ...

            Yes, even the Vugluskrov tribe ... no one has yet repealed the laws of nature, as, indeed, the economy.

            Water flows to where it is less level. If she is not artificially helped, naturally.
      2. +2
        23 July 2019 09: 53
        Quote: aybolyt678
        everything is turned upside down.

        Let's put everything upside down. We will produce competitive goods, not just raw materials, and supply them for export.
    2. 0
      23 July 2019 10: 02
      Quote: parusnik
      Some daisy will fall, will not fall ...

      What camomile? The dollar has fallen by 11% against gold over the past two months. And who noticed this? Newspapers didn’t write about it - it means, like, it wasn’t laughing



      https://www.finam.ru/profile/tovary/gold
  7. -1
    23 July 2019 06: 30
    IMF, WTO, central bank controlled from outside Russia umnyaki drove into a trap
  8. +1
    23 July 2019 06: 57
    It seems that the ruble is largely supported by the fact that in the fall of 2014 it was so lowered that it turned out to be nowhere to go.

    And not obvious, but not likely! As many vangs, there is no limit ... in short, there is no limit!
    It is quite possible that the option of fortune telling on the "coffee grounds" will not be the most stupid ???
  9. 0
    23 July 2019 06: 58
    There really is everything at the level of coffee grounds for us simple, the theme is really essentially that iceberg! But what is important for us (more precisely for me) in this matter, and why is gasoline growing? This is to say that at one time the GDP talked about how good it is that a barrel of oil has become cheaper ... and now it is profitable for us! And here there is somehow no clear justification, and here is our gasoline and dolar!
    1. 0
      23 July 2019 07: 38
      Quote: lithium17
      But what is important for us (more precisely for me) in this matter, and why is gasoline growing?

      Not a nightmare business.
    2. +1
      23 July 2019 08: 22
      Quote: lithium17
      This is to say that at one time the GDP talked about how good it is that a barrel of oil has become cheaper ... and now it is profitable for us!

      You know, GDP politician. It’s beneficial for US - the oil mafia was meant, and he said it in such a way that it is not clear to whom it is to us - the people or its vampires?
      1. -10
        23 July 2019 10: 44
        Stop lying about the "poor people". The red lies won't pass anymore
        Of all the thieves, the most terrible were the Communists - they plundered an entire empire, then the USSR.
        1. +3
          23 July 2019 14: 23
          Quote: Mestny
          Of all the thieves, the most terrible were the Communists - they plundered an entire empire, then the USSR.

          but doesn’t it seem strange to you that at first the Communists created the USSR and then plundered? maybe they were different? or was the system different?
  10. 0
    23 July 2019 07: 05
    Depends on the development of the situation with Iran, however, oil.
  11. +3
    23 July 2019 07: 25
    A bold question ... over the past hundred years, only the ruble has collapsed ... and many times !!!
  12. +8
    23 July 2019 07: 40
    Ruble or dollar: which currency will collapse first?

    I just want to add: "at what time"?
    Such a low dollar exchange rate, as now in Russia, has not been there for five years.

    What an achievement for modern Russia, they lasted FIVE years, bringing down their own currency by 100%! And the price increase for everything certainly doesn’t count wassat ! Well, this is not like the Soviet "wooden" one, which, according to the Guarantor's version, kept only in the production of galoshes and stored in three-liter cans, while not knowing "high matters" such as devaluation and inflation targeting lol hi
    1. +2
      23 July 2019 08: 15
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      This is not like the Soviet "wooden" one, which was held by the version of the Guarantor, only in the production of galoshes

      we produced the best planes in the world. and stood on the threshold of a technological breakthrough ....
      1. -2
        23 July 2019 09: 01
        You are right about combat aircraft. By the mid-70s, the civil aviation industry had hopelessly lagged behind the western one. Our civilian aircraft, with the same take-off mass, ate more kerosene, flew closer and took less payload. And avionics was more primitive. Therefore, as soon as our aircraft industry was released into free navigation, it immediately began to bend, unable to withstand competition.
        1. +2
          23 July 2019 10: 30
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          By the mid-70s, the civil aviation industry had hopelessly lagged behind the western one.

          ???? There was only one lag - we could not make intercontinental flights .. in terms of reliability we were the best. maybe a little more noisy? but the planes were ours !!! And these are entire industries and education, a cartoon effect, so to speak.
          1. -1
            23 July 2019 10: 35
            The lag was in everything: noise, fuel consumption and the associated range and low payload. Backward avionics - three-four-membered crews. Reliability also left much to be desired - take statistics on aircraft types. The only virtue - they were their own.
            1. +3
              23 July 2019 14: 11
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              Reliability also left much to be desired.

              look at the statistics of disasters Tu 134 - the most reliable in the world. Noisiness is scary for people exhausted by Mercedes, but do you know that the Yak-40 was exported to the Federal Republic of Germany before 90 years ???
              1. -2
                23 July 2019 15: 59
                Tu-134, Il-76, Tu-134 were included in the international rating of the most "DANGEROUS" types of aircraft. The Yak-40 was operated in Germany for exactly 5 years, after which the operating company went bankrupt. Due to high fuel consumption. For this Yachonok was called "kerosene fighter" Although the car was reliable. But to rewire his gut was thin.
                1. +1
                  24 July 2019 11: 25
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  Tu-134

                  Tu 134, as far as I know, had no catastrophes at all ... maybe I'm wrong, but are all these international ratings ordered by a Boeing?
                  1. -4
                    24 July 2019 13: 27
                    The last Tu-134 crash occurred in 2011 near the Besovets airport near Petrozavodsk.
            2. 0
              24 July 2019 11: 27
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              The only virtue - they were their own.

              it outweighs everything
  13. +3
    23 July 2019 08: 00
    Yes, there’s no need to guess! With our power, the answer is obvious
    1. -7
      23 July 2019 10: 45
      The main thing is not to pour nuts into the machine, and do not hammer the sensors into the rocket with a hammer.
      In the heat of the struggle for national happiness.
      And tryndet on the Internet - please.
      1. Alf
        -1
        23 July 2019 18: 44
        Quote: Mestny
        and do not hammer the sensors into the rocket with a hammer.


  14. -1
    23 July 2019 08: 07
    for me, the Central Bank should work not with the currency exchange but with the industrial chamber in order to establish a rate favorable to our producer. Today it threatens with a crisis, but it is necessary to go through it in order to begin to develop. The Mongols have a saying - a sheep is sheared every year, and she gives meat once. So it seems to me that right now meat is being torn from us, there is almost no industrial production, there is no development, specialists are dying out, we are already extracting resources in the North Sea ..
    1. -5
      23 July 2019 08: 36
      Quote: aybolyt678
      for me, the Central Bank should not work with the currency exchange but with the industrial chamber in order to establish a rate favorable to our producer

      Above posted the video "Who owns the Central Bank." They will never allow our development.
      1. -3
        23 July 2019 08: 40
        Quote: Boris55
        Above posted the video "Who owns the Central Bank"

        Spread twenty-minute footcloths - implicitly. Not everyone has time to watch these short films.

        Quote: Boris55
        Who owns Ts

        So, in your own words, you can say - to whom, after all?

        Quote: Boris55
        They will never allow our development

        Who are they? With Nibiru which?

        PS: never - together. Sorry - it hurts my eyes request
        1. -7
          23 July 2019 10: 11
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Spread twenty-minute footcloths - implicitly.

          I suggested the option: read the law or see the video. I hope you know how to use the search engine.

          Quote: Cat Man Null
          to whom, all the same?

          A private company located in the United States called the Fed.

          Quote: Cat Man Null
          Who are they?

          Fed co-organizers, fulfilling the will of their masters. High resolution picture: http://ifotohost.com/pic/345/6hupvr.jpg

          1. +5
            23 July 2019 11: 14
            Quote: Boris55
            I suggested the option: read the law or see the video.

            Very good advice. Let's read Law N 86-ФЗ on the website of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation

            https://www.cbr.ru/content/document/file/36338/law_cb.pdf

            "Article 1 ...
            Functions and powers provided for by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and this Federal Law, The Bank of Russia exercises independently of other federal government bodies, government bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local government bodies. "

            "Article 2.
            The authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal property. In accordance with the objectives and in accordance with the procedure established by this Federal Law, the Bank of Russia exercises the powers to own, use and dispose of the property of the Bank of Russia, including the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Bank of Russia. The seizure and encumbrance of the said property without the consent of the Bank of Russia is not permitted, unless otherwise provided by federal law. "

            "Article 3.
            The objectives of the Bank of Russia are: to protect and ensure the stability of the ruble; development and strengthening of the banking system of the Russian Federation; ensuring stability and development of the national payment system;
            (paragraph as amended by the Federal Law of June 27.06.2011, 162 N XNUMX-ФЗ) development of the financial market of the Russian Federation;
            (paragraph introduced by the Federal Law of July 23.07.2013, 251 N XNUMX-ФЗ) ensuring the stability of the financial market of the Russian Federation.
            (paragraph introduced by Federal Law No. 23.07.2013-FZ, dated 251 July XNUMX) Profit is not the goal of the Bank of Russia. "

            Find at least one provision in this Law that confirms your assumptions.
            1. +3
              23 July 2019 11: 30
              "Chapter III. NATIONAL FINANCIAL COUNCIL AND GOVERNING BODIES OF THE BANK OF RUSSIA

              (in the edition of the Federal Law from 23.07.2013 N 251-FZ)

              Article 12. The National Financial Council is a collegial body of the Bank of Russia.
              (Part one as amended by Federal Law of July 23.07.2013, 251 N 12-ФЗ) The number of the National Financial Council is XNUMX people, of which two are sent by the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation from among the members of the Federation Council, three by the State Duma from among the deputies of the State Duma, three by the President of the Russian Federation, three by the Government of the Russian Federation. The National Financial Council also includes the Chairman of the Bank of Russia. "

              "The recall of the members of the National Financial Council is carried out by the state authority that sent them to the National Financial Council.
              (part three as amended by Federal Law of July 23.07.2013, 251 N XNUMX-ФЗ) Members of the National Financial Council, with the exception of the Chairman of the Bank of Russia, do not work in the Bank of Russia on an ongoing basis and do not get paid for this activity.
              (Part four as amended by Federal Law of 23.07.2013 N 251-FZ) "
          2. +5
            23 July 2019 11: 32
            Quote: Boris55
            read the law

            I read it. And not only him. No

            Quote: Boris55
            A private company located in the United States called the Fed

            - there is not close. But there is such


            - in which the Fed is not close:

            The National Banking Council (NBS) is a collegial governing body of the Bank of Russia. It includes 12 people. The composition of the NBS is determined as follows:
            - two participants are sent by the Federation Council - from among senators;
            - three - from among the deputies of the choice of the State Duma;
            - three are appointed by the president of the Russian Federation;
            - three - by the government;
            - 12-th member of the Council - Chairman of the Bank of Russia

            Quote: Boris55
            High Resolution Image

            And it’s also written on the fence ... and there is firewood ...

            Boris, it’s sometimes interesting to read you ... but sometimes you, like that Peskov, excuse me, throw a blizzard request
      2. -2
        23 July 2019 14: 27
        Quote: Boris55
        posted a video "Who owns the Central Bank." They will never allow our development.

        This is clear. The question is how to fight? because if this is the case, and we can talk about it, then it means much worse! and an active political position in the elections cannot solve this!
        1. 0
          23 July 2019 14: 47
          Quote: aybolyt678
          because if this is the case

          It is not so. How it really is - described above.

          Quote: aybolyt678
          and we can talk about it

          You can say ... yes, practically, anything. We have freedom of speech.

          Quote: aybolyt678
          The question is how to fight?

          With windmills? There was one man, he fought them with a spear)))
          1. 0
            24 July 2019 11: 23
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            With windmills? There was one man, he fought them with a spear)))

            windmills do not interest me, but if you are so advanced, you might get the idea of ​​how to return money to its essence - to become a measure of labor?
  15. 0
    23 July 2019 08: 49
    I don’t think that something will change in the global financial system. Some currency will fall, some will rise. But the general ratio will remain.
  16. +5
    23 July 2019 08: 51
    After reading, the question remains: either overtake rubles into dollars, or dollars into rubles? Or leave everything as it is? - Without dollars and rubles. laughing
    1. -2
      23 July 2019 09: 03
      Dual currency basket. Fifti-Fifti. On a course change in this case you will not win, but you will not lose either. Stay with yours.
    2. +4
      23 July 2019 14: 25
      Before investing in a ruble, it would be nice to recall its dynamics, at least since 1991.
      So, for one dollar they gave rubles:
      01.01.1991 - 0,56
      01.07.1992 - 125
      01.01.1994 - 781
      01.01.1995 - 3623
      01.01.1997 - 5562
      01.01.1998/5,6/XNUMX - XNUMX denomination.
      The guys bashfully crossed out three zeros.
      But we will leave as it should be - 5600.
      09.09.1998 - 20 825 GKO technical default
      +01.01.2000 - 27 000
      +01.01.2005 - 27 700
      +01.01.2010 - 30 431
      +01.01,2014 - 32 658
      +01.01.2015 - 56 237
      +23.07.2019 - 62 980
      For those interested - the dynamics since 1792 at the link:
      http://www.vsedela.ru/index.php?topic=3058.0
      Do not forget about the monetary reforms of 1924, 1947, 1961 and Pavlovsky 1991.
  17. +9
    23 July 2019 08: 52
    "... there hasn't been such a low dollar exchange rate as it is in Russia for five years ..."
    It's hard to come up with a more mocking phrase!
  18. +2
    23 July 2019 08: 53
    I came across a book by Michael Rivera, "Wars Are the Work of Bankers." The author is a journalist, so I am critical and am now rechecking the information he presented. But, in general, I advise you to read, the book is small, but entertaining. I really liked the quotes from various historical figures regarding the financial situation in the world.
    1. +1
      23 July 2019 09: 21
      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
      I came across a book by Michael Rivera "Wars Are the Work of Bankers".

      +++++ !!!!
    2. +1
      23 July 2019 09: 36
      Intrigued ...
  19. 0
    23 July 2019 09: 22
    it's time to tie the RUBLE to KILOWATT, give the world a new STANDARD!
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  21. +2
    23 July 2019 10: 15
    ("Even not the strongest Russian banks have learned to somehow manage without foreign borrowing.") Previously, banks earned on the difference in interest rates of foreign loans and those issued by them inside the country. Now they have found another "balalaika" to earn money, this is the domestic market. "GDP growth in the first quarter of 2019 could have decreased to zero, if not for the growth of unsecured consumer lending, the Central Bank estimated." And still, not everyone fully understands what the new way of making money by banks will lead to, in the conditions of annually falling incomes of the population.
    1. -1
      24 July 2019 11: 31
      “The most hated way to make money, for good reason, is usury, which makes a profit directly from money, and not from its natural use. Because money is intended to be used as a medium of exchange, but not as an increase in its quantity as a result of interest. The very concept of usury means the emergence of money from money, as a result of which there is no other product other than money. Therefore, of all the ways to make money, this is the most unnatural. ” - Aristotle (384-322 BC)
  22. 0
    23 July 2019 11: 32
    If the ruble collapses, it will only be unpleasant for us. If the dollar is for everyone. And to us including
  23. +1
    23 July 2019 12: 15
    ... i.e. He was able to judge how the state is getting richer, and how it lives and why it doesn’t need gold when it has SIMPLE income.
    In the USSR, a worker at a ball-bearing plant, hearing that vodka had risen in price, took out a bearing from wide trousers: "Here is a bearing: as it was - a bottle, it will remain - a bottle."
  24. +3
    23 July 2019 14: 04
    It turns out that one can now push the ruble from abroad only by refusing to buy Russian securities. The West is simply not capable of seriously doing anything else.

    Before writing this all, the author should first study what sanctions are applied to Iran or Venezuela
  25. BAI
    +1
    23 July 2019 14: 15
    If someone could really predict exchange rates, he would be a dollar multi-billionaire.
  26. +1
    23 July 2019 14: 54
    Ruble or dollar: which currency will collapse first?

    Oo! lol good
  27. +4
    23 July 2019 17: 44
    What is there to write about how many times the ruble collapsed and how many times the dollar - 0 times
  28. +1
    23 July 2019 18: 04
    There are no questions to the video itself - the only thought that is difficult to dispute is the assessment of the Constitution’s provision on the priority of international agreements over the laws of the Russian Federation. The rest is an attempt to powder the brain, not prone to thought.
    For example, the independence of the Central Bank from the government is criticized (although this is not criticism, but ridicule). But if it were different today, it would definitely be better ?!
    The postulate that the Central Bank is directly subordinate to the FRS is also bullshit, since the basis of such subordination is not in the flaws of the Constitution and laws, but in the dependence of the "elites" (ugh, who began to call them that, scum) from foreign influence.
    Three quarters of the articles of the Regulation on the Central Bank cited in the video are not imperative, since leave room for regulation by the laws of the Russian Federation and by Presidential Decrees ("... unless otherwise specified by laws and other regulations of the Russian Federation").
    It is clear that the constitutional amendment is not a pound of raisins. I read all the comments in the hope of finding ideas on this subject ... Alas, not every pensioner can afford 20 minutes of video on a working day. Of all the commentators, it seemed that hardly a dozen looked at him entirely.
    And now, attention, question:
    - How to remove the disgrace mentioned above from the Constitution?
    And at the same time, force the Duma to ratify that part of the Anti-Corruption Convention, from which the confiscation of TOTAL follows, which is not confirmed by official income.
    1. Alf
      +1
      23 July 2019 18: 49
      Quote: OldMichael
      And at the same time, force the Duma to ratify that part of the Anti-Corruption Convention, from which the confiscation of TOTAL follows, which is not confirmed by official income.

      Put on the stage a sailor with Pecheneg.
      1. 0
        27 July 2019 18: 34
        The sailor Zheleznyakov, the one who said "The guard is tired", has long been "lying under a mound overgrown with weeds."
  29. 0
    24 July 2019 16: 27
    Financiers do not: they deliberately spread rumors, hoping to play about suckers. After all, they need to play the fading dandelions. There is no reason for the devaluation of the ruble against the dollar, because The main reason for the fall of the ruble was in the renminbi: the ruble has depreciated not against the dollar, but against the renminbi in order to become competitive with Chinese goods. The goal has been achieved: in Russia, at the current rate of the renminbi, it is possible to produce profitably, as evidenced by the trend to increase exports of non-commodities to the Celestial Empire (food, for example). And in the future, the dollar exchange rate will be secondary compared to the renminbi. Here it also needs to be tracked.
  30. +1
    25 July 2019 13: 05
    Only lowering the rate can really help both the economy as a whole and the individual citizen. Such a rate is beneficial for speculators, real investors - it does not help in the least. About the citizens of a great country - we all go shopping ...
  31. +1
    27 July 2019 18: 29
    Generations of Russians are born, live, and die in the expectation that the dollar and America are about to collapse.
  32. -1
    28 July 2019 09: 50
    "Such a low dollar exchange rate, as now in Russia, has not been there for five years."
    SUCH LOW ?!
    Author, do you write this from a hangover?
    The head is still cloudy and in the mouth, how do the cats give a shit?
    Then everything is clear ... wassat lol

    And about what currency will collapse first, and no need to think. WOODEN !!!
    And if you think differently, then translate the bucks into rubles, then together we will laugh at you. laughing
  33. 0
    29 July 2019 16: 55
    The stability of currencies is, of course, completely different. But I am glad that the author has disassembled everything to pieces.