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Turkey took six fighters into the air in response to the "Syrian threat", and in Russia shared data on the phantom shot down

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Turkey took six fighters into the air in response to the "Syrian threat", and in Russia shared data on the phantom shot down

The Turkish Air Force raised six F-16 fighters in alarm in response to the fact that Syrian military helicopters approached the Turkish border three times on Monday, the country's command said. At the same time, helicopters did not violate Turkish airspace - the minimum distance they approached the border with the Turkish province of Hatay was 3-4 kilometers.

Last week, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan made threats against Syria after the Turkish fighter was shot down by Syrian air defense 22 June. He warned that any provocation from the Syrian side will be considered as a military threat, and that the Turkish military will respond to them.

Meanwhile, a military-diplomatic source in Moscow told Interfax on Monday that Russia has objective data, according to which this F-4 Phantom fighter violated Syria’s airspace.

"We have information about the exact location of the Turkish Air Force aircraft - until it was hit by Syria’s air defense," a source said. According to him, "these data unequivocally confirm the fact that the plane violated the airspace of Syria."

The source stressed that "Russia has its own interests in Syria." "And, naturally, we are monitoring the situation through various channels," the agency’s source said. He did not specify what the channels were, noting, however, that "the capabilities of the Aerospace Defense Forces and the Russian Navy allow us to monitor and analyze this kind of information."

On Saturday, at a press conference in Geneva, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Russia has its own data on the incident with the Turkish aircraft shot down by Syria, and Moscow is ready to share them.

At the same time, he stressed that Turkey and Syria themselves should do the main work of investigating and formulating conclusions. The minister recalled that Russia strongly supported the idea of ​​investigating this incident. “The main thing now is to prevent the use of this incident for pumping in one direction or another,” Lavrov stressed.

The Turkish F-4 fighter flew from the Malatya airbase in eastern Turkey. Ankara claims that it was not on board weapons. She also acknowledged the fact of a short-term violation of the airspace of Syria by this aircraft.

According to Western media, a number of Phantoms in the Turkish Air Force (aircraft of this type were used by the United States during the Vietnam War) were modernized at the enterprises of the Israeli company IAI, where modern navigation and intelligence equipment was installed on them.

According to unofficial data, the plane was shot down by the newest short-range anti-aircraft missile-cannon complex "Pantsir-S1", supplied earlier by Russia to Syria.
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  1. ivansaxonov
    ivansaxonov 2 July 2012 21: 24
    +26
    Well done Syrians, did not flinch a hand. This made the west more aggressive.
    1. golikov
      golikov 2 July 2012 22: 13
      +8
      What to think about? This is the simplest provocation and an additional mission - intelligence.
      1. ivansaxonov
        ivansaxonov 2 July 2012 22: 48
        +7
        And intelligence has shown that Syrian air defense is not asleep.
      2. Teploteh - nick
        Teploteh - nick 3 July 2012 04: 37
        0
        Quote: golikov
        This is the simplest provocation and an additional mission - intelligence.

        Well, it means they were provoked and re-explored !!! am
        Science for the future will be!
        The Syrians would still have the S-400, in addition to the S-300 and the Shell-S - in general, one could not be afraid of either Turkish aircraft or American ones. yes - One problem would be to solve the remaining looters, and live in peace!
        Quote:
        the plane was shot down by the newest Pantsir-C1 short-range anti-aircraft missile and gun system, which had been supplied to Syria by Russia. yes good
        1. Ataturk
          Ataturk 3 July 2012 05: 00
          +1
          Quote: Teploteh - nick
          The Syrians would still have the S-400, in addition to the S-300 and the Shell-S - in general, one could not be afraid of either Turkish aircraft or American ones.


          This news has 2 ends.

          1. Assistance to Syria’s ally from the Russian Federation. Thereby profiting enemies. Which, proceeding from clause 1, clause 2 follows.
          2. Help to the enemies of Russia. (Chechens, Georgians, or opasis or nat. Minorities and much more)

          Alas, this is not a theory! A proven fact !!!

          Quote: Teploteh - nick
          Well, it means they were provoked and re-explored !!!


          Usually when one country wants to go to war with another country, it’s almost impossible to do just that. Given that Turkey and Syria are neighbors, and therefore both can live with both, the people will be against the war. What need to do?

          Recall not much from History. The Americans before the attack of 11.09.11/90/XNUMX were against the invasion of Iraq, after XNUMX% per.
          In order to attack Japan and use 2 atomic bombs on them, the Americans sacrificed Pearl Harbar. Over 2000 sailors and sea vessels.
          Hitler burned down the building of the Riksdag and threw everything at the Communists!
          In short, there are many such facts in history.

          Where the truth is in the history of this plane, God alone knows. Maybe the Turks did not expect that they would shoot at them ... or maybe the Turks specially provoked, with an old plane ....?!

          Let's see, soon we will find out where the truth is.
          1. FREGATENKAPITAN
            FREGATENKAPITAN 3 July 2012 08: 42
            +4
            ..... Well, for starters, not the Rickstag, but the REICHSTAG (27.02.1933). The Rickstag is somewhere north .........
            ......
            1. Assistance to Syria’s ally from the Russian Federation. Thereby profiting enemies. Which, proceeding from clause 1, clause 2 follows.
            2. Help to the enemies of Russia. (Chechens, Georgians, or opasis or nat. Minorities and much more)

            ... Judging by this logic, Russia should stop pursuing an independent policy that meets national interests .....
            Well, let’s hand over Syria, South Ossetia, Abkhakhia, Belarus, etc.
            What do US and NATO policies change?
            Let those who believe in Iraq, Egypt, Libya and Afghanistan believe in these tales. prosperity and democracy are flourishing now! Bullshit......
            1. Ataturk
              Ataturk 3 July 2012 09: 50
              +5
              Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
              Judging by this logic, Russia should stop pursuing an independent policy in the national interests .....

              The USSR could afford it. Russia will also be able to, but I am afraid on the West side those already whom the USSR supported at one time.

              Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
              What do US and NATO policies change?

              Again, I say, before the USSR authorities with a platform of shoes threatened the west, and now I have a suspicion that everyone is on the same team.

              Western policy is exactly what will not change. If you know the real purpose of the WEST, then first of all you need to raise your country. And the money of Russia is now in the hands of private individuals. There is no army that was before. The other day, they watched the program WAIT FOR ME, there was a question about one Russian peasant, the Nazis were on, and he was alone with the gun. And when the Germans entered Ukraine and there was some kind of village, this kid attacked the Nazis alone. The fascist tanks were knocked out and they could not understand where they were shooting from. The tanks withdrew and then sent intelligence. So, he alone for half a day detained the Nazis.

              And now the question is, there are many such patriots who will give their lives for their homeland and will not run away? I doubt that there will be at least 1000. And in the days of the USSR, everyone was a patriot. From baby to old man.

              Now is not the time. The West has one goal, to bring Russia to its knees. They will capture all oil-producing countries and lower oil prices, and then see what kind of carballet it will be. Yes, not only with you, including ours.

              Since the money goes to the treasury mainly from oil. Products are purchased, the state of the people, you know, people think where they can get a piece of bread from and it’s violet to Syria. Now remember when the Vietnam War began, when Muscovites waved their fists in front of the building of the US Embassy.

              And now ???????????

              Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
              Let those who believe in Iraq, Egypt, Libya and Afghanistan believe in these tales. prosperity and democracy are flourishing now! Bullshit......

              Of course, bullshit. Again, one of the goals of the West is to create, roughly speaking, a world state where they will control everyone and everything !!!

              Sincerely.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 3 July 2012 20: 11
                -1
                Quote: Ataturk
                the authorities of the USSR with a platform of shoes threatened the west, and now I have a suspicion that everyone is on the same team.

                You late .
                Despite the alleged contradictions between the West and Asia, this has not happened for a long time.
                The USSR left and freedom-loving Asia abruptly bowed.
                Disagree with the USA
          2. Cynic
            Cynic 3 July 2012 20: 05
            -1
            Quote: Ataturk
            The Americans donated Pearl Harbar. Over 2000 sailors and sea vessels.


            Quote: Ataturk
            In short, there are many such facts in history.

            Your post also belongs to this class.
            wink
        2. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 3 July 2012 08: 31
          -4
          sell relatives apartments, buy and give Syria laughing
        3. vezunchik
          vezunchik 3 July 2012 10: 28
          +2
          do not say, but respect the power!
    2. starred
      starred 2 July 2012 22: 33
      +4
      Well done Syrians, did not flinch a hand. This made the west more aggressive.

      That's exactly what it says! Ours at one time could not bring down Rust, thereby creating a "precedent" ...
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 2 July 2012 23: 20
        +12
        Could bring down, and more than once. During the flight of this entomus, not only interceptors, but also turntables accompanied him. The order from the TOP is not to bring down. And on Red Square - a solemn meeting - the Western media with at least 2 betamami. The laborer needed an excuse to crack down on the leadership of the USSR Armed Forces.
    3. Rustam
      Rustam 2 July 2012 23: 13
      +4
      Well done of course BUT !!! if Turkey enters the war, Syria has little chance of dealing with it alone

      By the way - Even some of the things that our industry and Rosoboron set up were taken out so that the enemies couldn’t get there, I’m personally afraid that they can seize PANTSIR1S and other things and take them out quietly
      1. Rustam
        Rustam 2 July 2012 23: 19
        0
        continued, there is infa that special forces groups have been prepared to capture our SHEARS AND AP-they have poor security, and then I wrote above
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 3 July 2012 03: 29
        +6
        Quote: Rustam
        Well done of course BUT !!! if Turkey enters the war, Syria has little chance of dealing with it alone


        Before entering the Turkish war, there are a few obvious things to consider.
        - Turkish plane shot down in the sky of Syria;
        - Syria does not want and cannot fight Turkey, it is now not at all up to it, but it will defend itself;
        - if Turkey goes to Syria by war, it will receive a “second front” in the East, where the Kurds will rise against Turkey;
        - if the war starts, all tourism will collapse in Turkey, and this is a huge financial loss for the budget and, in fact, the population.
        In addition, if Syria is actively supported from outside (Iran will fulfill the duty of an ally to take the side of Syria) by Russia and possibly China (nothing is clear here), NATO can shrug its shoulders "well, not to start the 3rd World War" and stay away. "
        1. Ataturk
          Ataturk 3 July 2012 05: 07
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          - if Turkey goes to Syria by war, it will get a “second front”

          I do not think that the Kurds can be considered the first front. I personally have been there and saw this area. And if you fight with Syria there will not be a guerrilla war, as with the Kurds.

          Quote: Ascetic
          Iran will fulfill the duty of an ally will take the side of Syria

          It is unlikely that Iran will openly help. Iran is doing everything to not be remembered.

          Quote: Ascetic
          NATO can shrug

          It is unlikely that NATO will remain idle. It is unlikely that Turkey will decide on its own head to fight against Syria alone, even if it is confident in a 100 percent victory.
        2. SAMEDOV SULEYMAN
          SAMEDOV SULEYMAN 3 July 2012 08: 49
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          Ascetic

          Hello Stanislav! The trouble is that in the light of recent events, Syria was surrendered (albeit not with giblets, but surrendered). And discuss the problem with the plane and the hatched egg is not worth it!
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 3 July 2012 16: 26
          0
          Dear Stanislav!
          1.Where is evidence that the plane was shot down in the sky of Syria ??
          2. If you don’t want to fight, then why did you bring down a plane that for about 5 minutes violated the borders without warning !?
          3. Don’t be fooled by Turkey! I’m sure that they didn’t give a tough answer because they are sure that the rebels themselves will sweep away the regime soon! And tourism will not collapse, the war will be fallen in love on the territory of Syria, and the terrorists are always something blow up!
          Turkey doesn’t want big sacrifices on its part, therefore they will help the rebels and finish Assad!
          4. Stanislav Russia and China have already surrendered Assad !!
          with respect

          Stanislav!

          ** Bashar al-Assad: “If the plane was really shot down in neutral airspace, we apologize to Turkey”

          The Turkish Jumhuriyyat newspaper published a comment by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. APA reports that B. Assad answered questions in connection with the downed F-4 reconnaissance aircraft belonging to the Turkish Air Force. To the question “why did you bring down an unarmed plane?” the president replied: “The plane flew inside the air corridor, which was constantly used by Israeli aircraft.

          Due to the fact that it was not visible on our radars who owned the aircraft, and since we were not notified in advance, our military shot it down. Only after we became aware that the plane belongs to Turkey. "

          To the journalist’s question, “Did you give the order to bring down the plane?”, B. Asad answered: “Logical questions should be asked. What interest can Syria have in shooting down a Turkish plane? Turkey and Turkish aircraft, we do not consider enemies. It would be better if they hadn’t been shot down. ”

          The head of the Syrian state said that if the plane was really shot down in neutral airspace, we apologize to Turkey. **
          http://defence.az/news/a-1809.html
          If Assad * does not know * where the plane was shot down and cannot answer the question who gave the order to destroy the plane, then what’s the matter ?? and Israeli planes dozens of them violate the Syrian border, why haven't they shot down one?
      3. Don
        Don 3 July 2012 11: 03
        +1
        Quote: Rustam
        if Turkey enters the war, Syria has little chance of dealing with it alone

        Iran has a military alliance with Syria. In the event of the outbreak of hostilities by Turkey, Iran will not stand aside.
    4. Kaa
      Kaa 2 July 2012 23: 33
      +9
      Do the Turkish Air Force remember such a regrettable incident?
      “During the Iranian-Iraqi war, Iraqi Mi-24 helicopters successfully fought Iranian Bell AN-1J Sea Cobra combat helicopters and, possessing a significant advantage in armament, hit them or forced them to withdraw and call in fighters. On October 27, 1982, an Iranian F-24 "Phantom II" fighter with powerful weapons and twice the takeoff weight of the Mi-4 was shot down from a Mi-24 helicopter on a collision course, the first and only case in the world in practice aerial combat when a combat aircraft was shot down by a helicopter. "http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_rus/mi-24-r.html
      Would be careful not to approach, it's a "crocodile", m .. yours!
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 2 July 2012 23: 39
      +4
      But actually the Turkish Air Force base Malatya



      1. Kaa
        Kaa 3 July 2012 00: 00
        +1
        And where are the air defense positions? Is this the F-4 notorious?
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 3 July 2012 00: 13
          +2
          I can look for the news about the F-4 and air defense positions ... This is the native airfield of the downed F-4
          1. Kaa
            Kaa 3 July 2012 01: 03
            +5
            It’s such a sensation that in the 3rd picture there is empty space for the one who has not returned ...
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 3 July 2012 01: 28
              +3
              Maybe his place was winked
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 3 July 2012 13: 41
                +2
                Let him water ....
  2. Sergeant Air Force
    Sergeant Air Force 2 July 2012 21: 28
    +17
    How does this happen? Well, they know that they will be redeemed. They know that anyway the truth will come up. And still n *** t in the open. So they have no conscience at all. And do not mind their name. USA, NATO, LAS. It is necessary to teach these liars a lesson)))
  3. uizik
    uizik 2 July 2012 21: 37
    +10
    They lied, they lie and they will lie! Everyone has their own interests and always find excuses for their lies.
  4. Gaiver
    Gaiver 2 July 2012 21: 39
    +9
    According to unofficial data, the plane was shot down by the newest short-range anti-aircraft missile-cannon complex "Pantsir-S1", supplied earlier by Russia to Syria.

    Shell-C1 ... handsome !!! so that they do not stick their nose into Syrian territory.
    1. golikov
      golikov 2 July 2012 22: 15
      0
      These unofficial data came up on this forum immediately after the news.
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 2 July 2012 22: 37
        +3
        golikov
        These unofficial data came up on this forum immediately after the news.


        In fact, this data is everywhere on the network, before you even got to this site.
      2. ivansaxonov
        ivansaxonov 2 July 2012 23: 42
        +1
        golikov It seems to me that this is exactly your refutation that was invented immediately after the appearance of such information, unofficial :)
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 3 July 2012 16: 14
      0
      There is no evidence of this !!
  5. Delink
    Delink 2 July 2012 21: 51
    +3
    Turkey at the direction of the west raised planes, this is a no brainer.
    And from where they have a conscience, they need to keep the dollar and raise it against the Euro, and even more so the ruble. They need a small war, their economy is built on this.
    1. ivansaxonov
      ivansaxonov 2 July 2012 23: 44
      +1
      I hope a little. If you recall the story, then the Americans came out of the crisis with the help of large, world warriors ....
  6. maksim
    maksim 2 July 2012 21: 53
    +7
    the use of such weapons just indicates that the Turkish F-4 was close
    1. Fidain
      Fidain 3 July 2012 01: 05
      +1
      Konechno v blezi, a zachem seriskim PVO zbivat samalyot skazhem v mezhdunarodnix vodax, chto malo problem s Turcii, ona v otkrituyu postavlaet oruzhia boevikam (opazicii) i vsyakix nayomnika kto tam shas yest ...
      A sirici chto mogu yeshcho sdelat, svoyu rodenu zasheshayut ot vragov vnutrenix i vneshnix
  7. Orthodox warrior
    Orthodox warrior 2 July 2012 21: 57
    +4
    Turks - mongrel black. It was stolen that their F-4 did not violate the territory of Syria, now they recognized the type. A fighter (especially a scout) flew where it wasn’t necessary, so they got it in the teeth. What did you hope for? Syrians well done! Do not be scared.
    1. alexng
      alexng 2 July 2012 23: 04
      +2
      Yeah, they got it "with a laper sapatka and now they are heading out with a motala". Ugh, they got in the face and ached like mongrels: they say de Syria is fighting wrongly - not democratically, you know.
  8. vladimir64ss
    vladimir64ss 2 July 2012 21: 59
    +3
    Wanted, but pricked. This is about NATO. Turks generally do not take into account. It seems that they are not idlers and could live (Diamond hand) They would take and cancel NATO.
  9. hommer
    hommer 2 July 2012 22: 03
    +21
    The situation, meanwhile, is developing from bad to very bad.
    The undoubted provocation of the Turkish Air Force will continue. What next provocation will have contours is a matter of taste. Lie again, do not get used to it.
    A column of armored vehicles was sent from Diyarbakir to the provinces bordering on Syria. Syria, in turn, has deployed MI-24 (export version MI-25). These helicopters are armed with ATGM "Phalanx".
    Syria awaits the NATO invasion without a UN mandate in the gravy of Article 5 of the NATO charter.
    Who can stop this development? Only Russia.
    God bless us all from a full-scale war, even if things go wrong - to help Syria, do not intervene ourselves, I think the forum users will agree with me.
    Turkey is sorry, they use it in the dark, again the Janissaries of the pawn in the Big Game.
    1. 2 July 2012 22: 46
      +5
      hommer,
      Not for nothing that the F16 Turks transferred to the border. Most likely their goal is Mi-25. which will be shot down on their own territory, and the Turks will say that they only protected their sky from unauthorized entry. And the air defense also pulled to the border, is designed to prevent the righteous revenge of the Syrians.
      1. hommer
        hommer 3 July 2012 07: 40
        +2
        Dear Konstantin, I absolutely agree with you. drinks
  10. Tyumen
    Tyumen 2 July 2012 22: 11
    0
    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Russia has its own data on the incident with a Turkish plane shot down by Syria, and Moscow is ready to share it.

    But wasn’t it too early? After all, everything happened correctly.
  11. pribolt
    pribolt 2 July 2012 22: 17
    +4
    You still need to put everything on this Phantom flight on the RT channel, let them look in the west there, otherwise they will get used to their liars there
  12. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 2 July 2012 22: 43
    +1
    French fighter crashed on exercises in the Mediterranean Sea

    The French Rafale fighter crashed during a training exercise in the Mediterranean, in which the French and US aircraft carriers Charles de Gaulle and Eisenhower are taking part. An abnormal situation occurred during the imitation of the battle between the Raphael and the F-18 fighter. The pilot managed to eject and was picked up by an American helicopter.

    In recent years, this is not the only incident with vehicles of this class, which are considered the pride of the French defense industry. In 2009, two fighters collided in the sky during a training flight, killing the pilots. In 2010, one of the "Rafals" crashed off the coast of Pakistan during a combat mission in Afghanistan, the pilot survived.

    Earlier this year, France won a tender to supply 126 fighters to the Indian Air Force. The cost of the deal, according to experts, will amount to $ 10,4 billion. The Indian contract will be the first delivery of Rafal multirole fighters abroad, ITAR-TASS reports.
  13. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 2 July 2012 22: 43
    +4
    Well, the armor received the first baptism of fire.
    The result is not bad.
  14. BarrettM95
    BarrettM95 2 July 2012 23: 00
    +4
    The planes are old, even though the equipment is new, so there is nothing much to rejoice about.
  15. freedom
    freedom 2 July 2012 23: 05
    +4
    Ased has strong power, strong power structures, as declared. For a long time, everyone knows where weapons come from. But then it is not clear why the borders are not tightly closed, the leaders of the rebels are not destroyed? Homsa is messing around endlessly. The fighting in the suburbs of Damascus. Time is categorically against Assad! Well, you can’t.
  16. Guun
    Guun 2 July 2012 23: 09
    +1
    Armies are pulled to the borders, soldiers are strained in expectations, equipment is ready for battle. They are waiting for provocations. Syriks It seems a bit like the picture where Hitler pulled his army to the borders of the USSR and attacked vilely. It resembles the calm before the storm, before the big storm. The elections in the states will take place and will have a barrel organ about Iran, but you need to deprive it of an allied Syria before the invasion. Soon it smells blood, big blood both from NATO and from Syria (NATO will get a Vietnam scenario here).
  17. ___ ___
    ___ ___ 2 July 2012 23: 09
    +1
    Americans zats let their planes for a provocation (and type nothing to do with)
  18. Chemist
    Chemist 2 July 2012 23: 13
    0
    golikov,

    From KBP Tula information that the Shell C1 was working for a long time, infa 100%.
  19. bremest
    bremest 2 July 2012 23: 24
    +2
    The most important thing is to provide military and political assistance to the Kurds in the struggle for their independence, and then Turkey will die its ardor ..... Kurds 40 million people and if they raise an uprising, then the Turks will not find it .......... .
  20. forma2
    forma2 3 July 2012 00: 05
    +1
    it would be better to share info with their people and Americans find out where and how Russian infa.
  21. Pripyatchanin
    Pripyatchanin 3 July 2012 00: 50
    0
    It smells like fried. Turks are getting ready for war
  22. suharev-52
    suharev-52 3 July 2012 00: 55
    +1
    It looks like the flywheel is starting to spin. And all the statements about the convergence of positions in Syria are just a smokescreen for the layman. We are waiting for the second act of the performance. Sincerely.
  23. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 3 July 2012 01: 13
    +1
    Or maybe adopt Syria and Iran.
    And then they, like two street children, are independent, and everyone will offend everyone. And they will know that there is a folder, they will moderate their ardor, and the stepsons will have time to restore order inside.
    After all, it’s like - all violations of borders, imbargo, an increase on the borders of military units - all this is an ideological treatment. It is aimed at undermining the country from the inside with the help of creating a general psychosis - they were ankylosing spondylitis.
  24. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 3 July 2012 05: 49
    +4
    War for Turkey, in any case, will become a disaster. Both economic and political. You can count on NATO assistance, but only with air support. Conducting ground operations will hit the rating of politicians of NATO countries. So Turkey will have to rely on its own strengths, and given the proximity of the borders of Turkey and Syria, dissatisfaction with the war and sweats, both in manpower and financial, will lead to the collapse of Erdogan himself and the possible rise of Islamists to power. What would be the consequences of an example of this, well, or Libya.
  25. lotus04
    lotus04 3 July 2012 07: 32
    +3
    The Turkish Air Force raised six F-16 fighter aircraft into the air in response to Syrian military helicopters approaching the Turkish border three times in Monday, the country's command said.

    Yes Yes! And we thought, where is the threat to peace coming from now? It turns out from Syria! And the "little white and fluffy" pen-dos hid and tremble with fear. There is a "Syrian Bear", no one will be saved. Get up those who are still left for the last battle. We need to inflame the "fire" of war more hotly, let Europe and Asia get mired in war and instability, and we will save the "glorious pen-dos" bucks and even make money on it.
  26. Captain_old
    Captain_old 3 July 2012 08: 03
    +6
    Map of the region where the Turkish RF-4E reconnaissance aircraft was shot down. Shown are the operating ranges of the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile systems from possible locations of positions in the Latakia region. Illustrated by RIA Novosti (http://ria.ru/infografika).

    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 3 July 2012 08: 24
      +4
      Thanks for the data, based on the scheme - the Turks entered the Syrian airspace twice - and were shot down for the third time. it turns out the Syrians were still patiently waiting for how this would end. and the Turks specifically provoked an air defense system.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 3 July 2012 10: 03
        +2
        Greetings!
        There is more news:

        Earlier Sunday, the British media disseminated information according to which Russia could be involved in the incident. In particular, the Sunday Times writes about this with reference to diplomatic sources. In an article titled “The Finger of Russia on a Button,” journalists say the decision to intercept a Turkish fighter could be a warning to NATO to “stay away from Syria.”

        «There is definitely a Russian trace here. We would not be surprised if Russian experts, even if they did not press a button, then stood next to the Syrian officers who did this", - quotes the publication words of a Middle Eastern diplomat, reports the BBC.

        Moscow itself has not yet reacted to this information. Meanwhile, it is already known that Russia has its own observational data about the incident with a Turkish plane shot down by Syria, and Moscow is ready to share them. This statement was made on Saturday by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Laforever.


        They started shark in the liver!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 3 July 2012 16: 19
          0
          *** Meanwhile, it is already known that Russia has its own observations about the incident with a Turkish plane shot down by Syria, and Moscow is ready to share them. This statement was made on Saturday by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. ** - If it differs from the Turkish version, why Russia still does not publish!
          The Turkish General Staff officially showed the path of its plane with maps!
  27. Averias
    Averias 3 July 2012 08: 24
    +4
    Yes, it is clear even to the baboon, the Turks, by order of NATO, raised the F-4 (junk, echo of the Vietnam War) into the air, for provocation and, incidentally, hoping to see the work of our Shell. And at the same time remove his performance characteristics. And also the fact of the downing of the plane gives Turkey the opportunity to build up military forces on the border, and from here follows an influx of fighters and weapons under the wing of the warriors (read NATO). And the Turks, of course, have recently taken up obscurantism, I was there not long ago, they had a Congress called the Peoples of the Caucasus (or something like that), urged, well, the peoples of the Caucasus is understandable, but what did the ladies in kimonos and Japanese appearance do there? and respectable people with Vertu in their hands and in Arab robes - what do they have to do with the Caucasus? Or the representatives of the "peoples of the Caucasus", of course, oppressed by Russia, and the Congress was dedicated to this, due to the breadth of their souls and not tossing their heads around, ordered geisha from Japan? that's just the presence of men in Arab robes can not explain (unless ... ...) well, in the sense for the same for what and geisha. Only with men in Arab clothes and with Vertu, on the contrary, if Japanese women (geisha) themselves ....., then men in Arab clothes - theirs ..... :)). In short, another petty and deceitful country (or rather the government, the people are what to blame, though ....).
  28. kapitan_21
    kapitan_21 3 July 2012 08: 52
    +1
    Congratulations, comrades, on the first successful combat use of our Pantsir-S complex! )))
  29. IRBIS
    IRBIS 3 July 2012 09: 36
    0
    What Syria! Guys, type in the search engine "plane shot down in Baltiysk" and rejoice for OUR air defense !!!
    1. dmitrich
      dmitrich 3 July 2012 12: 48
      0
      I think this is bullshit, about a downed plane.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 3 July 2012 14: 49
        0
        This is confirmed by those who serve in Baltiysk.
    2. Funker1981
      Funker1981 3 July 2012 14: 19
      0
      This is a stuffing. There was no such thing.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 3 July 2012 14: 47
        +2
        Training flights of the NATO Air Force took place in the Baltic countries yesterday, in which an aircraft with the Boeing E-3 early warning and control radar system (AWACS) and the US Army C-130 “Hercules” and F aircraft took part -15C "Eagle". This is the seventh such training on the basis of the Lithuanian Air Force in Siauliai, which is conducted by the command of the Allied Air Force of the NATO countries in Ramstein (Germany).

        It is already known that at least one of the aircraft participating in the exercises, the fourth-generation American all-weather tactical fighter McDonnell-Douglas F-15C “Eagle”, grossly violated the air borders of the Russian Federation. A pair of MiG-29 front-line fighter planes, raised in combat alert from the Baltic Fleet’s military airfield Chkalovsk near Kaliningrad, tried to force the intruder to land. The NATO pilot, not obeying the command given to descend, “waving his wings merrily and turning on the afterburner,” tried to leave Russia and fly into international airspace.

        And only then did the Russian pilots pay tribute to the merry American and hit to defeat. From the fighter (it is symbolic that the side number of the 39 vehicle) under the control of Colonel Kondratov, an air-to-air guided missile RVV-AE was launched under the control of an intruder trying to escape. The wreckage of a downed NATO plane fell into the Baltic Sea near the city of Baltiysk, Kaliningrad Region. The pilot who piloted the fighter managed to eject and he was picked up by the sailors of the Baltic Fleet patrol ship Yaroslav the Wise. At present, nothing threatens his life; investigators from the military prosecutors and the investigative department of the FSB of Russia work with him.

        At the same time, the Lithuanian side, at the suggestion of the Americans, insists that the plane was in international airspace. On Friday, June 29, NATO, at the request of Lithuania, is holding a special meeting on what happened.

        NATO senior management also responded to the incident, the Lithuanian Courier reports with reference to the Ministry of Defense. “Russia's actions are unacceptable. NATO strongly condemns them, said Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Secretary General of the North Atlantic Alliance, “NATO is in solidarity with the leadership of the Republic of Lithuania. “We continue to monitor the situation with the downed aircraft carefully and with great alarm,” Rasmussen added. “Our thoughts are with the pilot, his family and loved ones.”

        Something often began to shoot down, around the world, "not violating anything" NATO aircraft. One wants to exclaim like the hero of Anatoly Papanov in the movie “Watch Out for the Car” - “They will kick you, but you don’t steal!” However, in this whole story there is one important plus: now the States will have no choice but to exchange the downed pilot for Viktor Bout, who is serving his sentence in New York.
  30. USNik
    USNik 3 July 2012 10: 05
    0
    Interfax knocks down the F-16 (http://www.interfax.ru/politics/news.asp?id=253525)
    "In June, Syrian air defenses shot down a Turkish F-16 fighter after the plane, according to the Syrian side, violated Syrian airspace."
    winked Journalism
    In general, people, where did you get that it was a Shell? Fantômas was killed by Shilka, and all the information on the Shell was an advertisement for the Russian air defense systems.
  31. Alex_dnepr
    Alex_dnepr 3 July 2012 11: 55
    0
    "a certain number of" Phantoms "in service with the Turkish Air Force (aircraft of this type were used by the United States during the Vietnam War)"
    - Well, this is understandable - so as not to feel sorry.
    Well, I’m wondering how the Turkish government will look into the eyes of the family of the deceased pilot when everyone is well aware that he was sent to certain death for the sake of provocation ...
    Although probably not the scale ... you can donate it.

    Quote: IRBIS
    shot down a plane in Baltiysk

    +1
    really, if I'm not mistaken on June 29)
  32. dmitrich
    dmitrich 3 July 2012 12: 16
    +1
    and the Americans are bold until they get a mug.
  33. IRBIS
    IRBIS 3 July 2012 12: 38
    0
    Surprising only general silence about the downed F-15. Or have you already reached an agreement? Maybe the NATO decided not to make fun of themselves? In Syria, the Turks flew, in Baltiysk the American flailed his wings, a falcon not yet completed! What will people say about two such pills in a row?
    1. expert2008
      expert2008 4 July 2012 16: 37
      0
      Good afternoon. Not nice to talk about, but this is a fake news site. Here's more news from this site: Other materials in the section:
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      Bundeswehr innovations in the service of Russian politics
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      It was here that there was an article about the Duba strategic missile system deployed in Cuba. The site is called FogNeus.ru