Israel insisted on adding F-35 fuel tanks

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The American corporation Lockheed Martin conducts work designed to endow the F-35A fighter and its Israeli version of the F-35I with the ability to carry two 600-gallon outboard fuel tanks (each for 2700 liters). This innovation will undoubtedly affect the secrecy of the machine.





Cession to clients


Details of this activity have become known 13 June 2019 year from the publication Aviation Week. Customers "torpedoed" LM, demanding to increase the range of the aircraft. Initially, the company intended to inject F-35 460-gallon tanks (1700 liters). At the same time, it was planned to use the internal compartment of the car for additional placement of fuel. However, this requirement was subsequently dropped.

We initially had discussions with various F-35 customers regarding the capabilities of the extended range.

- explained in Lockheed Martin.

As indicated in the corporation, the most important driver of work in this direction was Israel, which exploits F-35I (local designation Adir). Companies based here are already actively involved in the development of possible options for both drop tanks and “conformal” (CFTs), give a smaller aerodynamic penalty and do not occupy ammunition pylons).

Tanks for Iran


According to The War Zone, Israel and a number of other countries have an urgent need to equip fighters with additional fuel due to the fact that they have relatively small fleets of air tankers. As a result, you have to rely only on the fuel capacity of the fighter, an indicator of which can have a direct impact on operational planning. Especially since it was Israel that became the pioneer in deploying the F-15 Eagle in long-distance shock missions.

According to The War Zone, today the most alarming potential adversary of Israel is Iran. For the local Air Force, any strikes against targets in this country would require a long range with limited support from tankers.

F-35, going into a combat order, is less likely to apply weapon deterrence during these operations

- believes the designated edition.

It is therefore not surprising that local companies Israel Aerospace Industries and Cyclone have been working on increased tanks for the F-35I. According to Aviation Week, in April 2019, they completed their initial design studies on the design of a conformal and 600-gallon tanks. Now Lockheed Martin is just working to certify all F-35A in the version equipped with a tank on 600 gallons. However, it is not known what is being done with respect to conformal tanks.

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  1. +19
    15 June 2019 14: 54
    Before starting to read the article, I immediately thought that it was a request for visits to distant Iranian "friends". They have such a "friendship" that they can't eat. laughing
    1. +8
      15 June 2019 14: 59
      Israel, Iran will be afraid to bomb openly, like Iraq .. They have a UAV-USA, so they manipulate them and Russia including constant attempts (to bleed ALL of us there)
      Here it is cheated .. hehe
      If we’re wet, then the Israeli F-35 // They have been running into it for a long time.
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        1. +2
          15 June 2019 16: 20
          Quote: Aberbach
          It is unfortunate that you are not interested in the Israeli military industry

          Don’t offer me such a thing, we know these researchers .. hi
          They have already inherited in the USSR and Russia .. No more
        2. +12
          15 June 2019 16: 23
          Quote: Aberbach
          it is believed that TYPO "" HUNTER "" repainted Israeli UAV

          eight)))))))))))))))))
          It remains to compose what kind of Israeli UAV looks like "Hunter"?
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        3. +7
          15 June 2019 16: 26
          Quote: Aberbach
          it is believed that TYPO "" HUNTER "" repainted Israeli UAV

          Where? what?
        4. +1
          15 June 2019 16: 59
          Quote: Aberbach
          And in Iraq, Israel destroyed the building of the nuclear reactor, it will also be in Iran, before you write something, get acquainted with the mat part

          With the consent of the UN Security Council or, as always - "it should be so"? So the USS decided.
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            1. +1
              15 June 2019 19: 16
              Quote: Aberbach
              What does the United States have a threat not on the border

              SSI - United States of Israel ... I consider the authorities of the USA - puppets of the USA ... At least kill yourself. And all politics with a demonstration of power sooner or later will end badly for Israel. We must be able to negotiate not only with the powers that be ...
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                1. +7
                  16 June 2019 04: 21
                  As a Jew to a Jew, don’t dare to cheat, don’t get into a showdown. If you keep silent, you will be smarter. Say thanks to the Russians for the Victory and Putin - for Syria.
            2. +2
              15 June 2019 20: 20
              Quote: Aberbach
              What does the US have a threat not at the borders of the United States

              Aha ha ha !!! Hold me seven, otherwise I’ll fall off the couch! A threat to US borders, of course, in Poland, Romania and the other Baltic states, not otherwise!
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                1. +3
                  15 June 2019 21: 47
                  Quote: Aberbach
                  You better ask permission from China what to do, Putin clearly said two elephants are fighting and you are monkeys on a tree

                  The trolling attempt is not counted.
                  I give two more. I'm good today.
                  1. +2
                    16 June 2019 02: 36
                    Vasyan1971 (Vasily) Yesterday, 21: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Aberbach
                    You better ask permission from China what to do, Putin clearly said two elephants are fighting and you are monkeys on a tree

                    The trolling attempt is not counted.
                    I give two more. I'm good today.

                    hi ! Vasily, it is not worth throwing a bisser in front of ... well, you yourself know in front of whom, go past those, they themselves will be harassed on the site. Troll - he and Africa Troll.
        5. +1
          15 June 2019 18: 03
          Quote: Aberbach
          it is believed that TYPO "" HUNTER "" repainted Israeli UAV,

          Can you confirm your words with something?
          In 2014, the director of the Directorate of Military Aviation Programs of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), ex-Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force, Vladimir Mikhailov, reported on the research work carried out at the Sukhoi Design Bureau to create a heavy attack drone.

          And you see, they paint the Israeli UAV for too long, as much as 5 years
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    2. +2
      16 June 2019 14: 25
      About a year ago, they didn’t declare that theirs F-35 flew to Iran for reconnaissance .. Nobody supposedly noticed them ... For a long time I scratched my turnips trying to figure out which route they had to go through .. In vain I strained. I confessed to lying ...
    3. 0
      17 June 2019 04: 43
      Ordinary sawing - the F-35 cannot fly supersonic without afterburner, but it is invisible to its own people - this is not the fifth generation, this is humanitarian aid (for Jews it is free, and they still require an "upgrade"))) ... plus an easy target if his radar is working - and the airborne radio detection and guidance systems also have additional tanks - so he will not reach target designation for another reason - a very large target ???
    4. -1
      17 June 2019 23: 06
      Without fuel, it’s useless wunderwafle !!! No. And with fuel - see! wassat Here is such a double-edged sword! laughing
  2. +6
    15 June 2019 14: 59
    Quote: Altona
    Before starting to read the article, I immediately thought that it was a request for visits to distant Iranian "friends". They have such a "friendship" that they can't eat. laughing

    Probably, everyone immediately realized about "visits" to Iran. But they were there when they bought these planes, what were they thinking, I wonder?
    1. +5
      15 June 2019 15: 14
      For free and fu35 come down
    2. +8
      15 June 2019 15: 29
      And there are simply no other options - the F-15 is already being removed from the line, the F-16 is not that; F-22s and bombers are not for sale; Europeans have no analogue in production and are not expected. There remain the Russian Federation and China ... but it is unknown how much (and what in general) they will demand, but here they’re practically free for assistance.
  3. +8
    15 June 2019 15: 01
    Yes, the cockpit canisters with solarium force to the maximum! wassat And, the stealth doesn’t deteriorate, and, the pilot’s physical work is good — he poured the canister, opened the window in the cockpit, and dropped the canister empty on the paroshute to the ground wassat !
    1. +9
      15 June 2019 15: 08
      Sorry, I didn’t understand ... why a parachute? recourse throw it like that!
      1. +7
        15 June 2019 15: 23
        Quote: Masha
        Sorry, I didn’t understand ... why a parachute? recourse throw it like that!

        You see, in the Air Force you can’t get into the cockpit without a parachute. Neither the pilot, nor the canister, or anything else. I’ll tell you more - the plane itself also flies with its parachute!
        1. +5
          15 June 2019 15: 30
          So ... you have to do the wind correction?
          1. +4
            15 June 2019 15: 50
            Quote: Masha
            So ... you have to do the wind correction?

            Well, what are you, the right word! The military on airplanes have navigation systems for various purposes. Including and sharpened under the canister. Taking into account the course of the aircraft and the direction of the wind overboard, they, as soon as you open the lamp (handle on the left side of the side), indicate on the windshield the direction where to throw the canister. 21st century, however. And before, yeah, they opened the lantern, spat a finger at it and stuck it out - how is the wind? Gone are the days.
            1. +18
              15 June 2019 15: 55
              A little girl approaches the plane, where they sit in an open cockpit
              pilot with the navigator, and asks:
              - Uncles, uncles, and you are pilots?
              Pilot Navigator:
              “Hey navigator, are we pilots?”
              - Pilots.
              - Yes, girl, we are pilots.
              - Uncles pilots, but how many will be twice two?
              “Hey navigator, how many will be two and two?”
              The navigator, counting something on the navigator’s line, answers: five.
              - Listen, girl, five it will be.
              - Like five, and the teacher told us that four.
              - Navigator, what are you, the teacher told her that four!
              “Well then, I'm adjusted for the wind.”
              1. -2
                15 June 2019 16: 09
                Quote: Masha
                A little girl approaches the plane, where they sit in an open cockpit
                pilot with the navigator, and asks:
                - Uncles, uncles, and you are pilots?
                Pilot Navigator:
                “Hey navigator, are we pilots?”
                - Pilots.
                - Yes, girl, we are pilots.
                - Uncles pilots, but how many will be twice two?
                “Hey navigator, how many will be two and two?”
                The navigator, counting something on the navigator’s line, answers: five.
                - Listen, girl, five it will be.
                - Like five, and the teacher told us that four.
                - Navigator, what are you, the teacher told her that four!
                “Well then, I'm adjusted for the wind.”

                good
                One caveat. No girl can approach an airplane prepared for departure. Even if it is the daughter of a regiment. Well it is, grumbling.
                1. +12
                  15 June 2019 16: 25
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  No girl can approach an airplane prepared for departure.

                  And this one could. Her name is Thumbelina. So quietly approached
                  1. 0
                    16 June 2019 02: 04
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    So quietly approached

                    Exactly STELS! belay and without hanging tanks was lol
              2. +19
                15 June 2019 16: 24
                Quote: Masha
                A little girl comes up to the plane

                Let not the topic, but not about the little girl, but vice versa
                “I drove somehow. I saw - a girl of 16-17 years old, fair with a doll-like face, was voting on the road. She stopped. He asked to give me a lift. (50 kilometers from the sea).
                - And who do you work with, can I find out?
                - A diver.
                “Do you have sharks there?”
                “Of course, what is the sea without sharks?”
                - And the big ones?
                - No, prickly - there will be 1,5 meters, and gray-blue - up to 2,5, but they rarely go there.
                - Dangerous? - the girl asks anxiously.
                - Well, any shark more than 20 centimeters is considered potentially dangerous.
                “Do you dive in the winter?”
                Hmm, the strange logic in women, I still answer:
                - It's cold, we try not to dive, there are a lot of problems with fees, and navigation for the small fleet has been closed since November 1 ...
                And then the girl gives out this, after which I had to stop, because then I could not drive a wheelbarrow for about twenty minutes:
                - WHAT DO SHARKS EAT WHEN YOU DO NOT DIVE IN WINTER?
                1. +2
                  15 June 2019 16: 28
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Quote: Masha
                  A little girl comes up to the plane

                  Let not the topic, but not about the little girl, but vice versa
                  “I drove somehow. I saw - a girl of 16-17 years old, fair with a doll-like face, was voting on the road. She stopped. He asked to give me a lift. (50 kilometers from the sea).
                  - And who do you work with, can I find out?
                  - A diver.
                  “Do you have sharks there?”
                  “Of course, what is the sea without sharks?”
                  - And the big ones?
                  - No, prickly - there will be 1,5 meters, and gray-blue - up to 2,5, but they rarely go there.
                  - Dangerous? - the girl asks anxiously.
                  - Well, any shark more than 20 centimeters is considered potentially dangerous.
                  “Do you dive in the winter?”
                  Hmm, the strange logic in women, I still answer:
                  - It's cold, we try not to dive, there are a lot of problems with fees, and navigation for the small fleet has been closed since November 1 ...
                  And then the girl gives out this, after which I had to stop, because then I could not drive a wheelbarrow for about twenty minutes:
                  - WHAT DO SHARKS EAT WHEN YOU DO NOT DIVE IN WINTER?

                  laughing good
        2. +4
          15 June 2019 15: 47
          Quote: Doliva63
          the plane itself also flies with its parachute!

          Cheyt only with them?
          In our identity, too
          1. +3
            15 June 2019 15: 50
            Sometimes it crashes.
            1. +3
              15 June 2019 16: 08
              Quote: Sergey Sergeev_4
              Sometimes it crashes.

              So it was conceived.
              He with artificial intelligence, calculated in advance that without him, landing would be done.
          2. +3
            15 June 2019 15: 57
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Quote: Doliva63
            the plane itself also flies with its parachute!

            Cheyt only with them?
            In our identity, too

            About them - it's me about the military).
            Himself in the PDS he served on the Su-17m2, 120 stacks of PTK-125-45-70 per shift, if I remember the name of the brake, so I’m a little in the know drinks
            1. +2
              15 June 2019 16: 09
              belay Was there such a flight intensity?
              1. +2
                15 June 2019 16: 41
                Quote: Lipchanin
                belay Was there such a flight intensity?

                If I am not mistaken, there were 43 cars in the regiment. At least 3 flights per shift, at least. Sparky and 5 did. So count. And summer is kapets, they flew from Tuesday to Friday without stopping. Then 3 days of high — a weekend and a day of preliminary — he, in fact, did not concern us. And then - on a new one. To keep up, we had 2 laying presses at the end of the runway, and another 3 presses in the command post building, on the ground floor, in the group’s premises.
                1. +3
                  15 June 2019 16: 45
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  belay Was there such a flight intensity?

                  If I am not mistaken, there were 43 cars in the regiment. At least 3 flights per shift, at least. Sparky and 5 did. So count. And summer is kapets, they flew from Tuesday to Friday without stopping. Then 3 days of high — a weekend and a day of preliminary — he, in fact, did not concern us. And then - on a new one. To keep up, we had 2 laying presses at the end of the runway, and another 3 presses in the command post building, on the ground floor, in the group’s premises.

                  Well, we are not so intense. Not every day they fly. But sometimes the rumble is from morning till night.
                  And this is very good. When ebn began to forget what a plane in the sky
        3. +3
          15 June 2019 16: 01
          That the plane does not flap its wings at all? recourse
          1. +3
            15 June 2019 16: 11
            Quote: Masha
            Doesn't the plane flap its wings at all?

            When low flies.
            Waving at the top, only not visible from the ground
            1. +3
              15 June 2019 16: 28
              low ... low ...
              1. +1
                15 June 2019 16: 39
                Quote: Masha
                low ... low.

                Remember how Chyonkin answered?
                “Van, and does the plane fly fast?”
                - When low, then fast. When high, slow.
                - Ahhhh ...
          2. +3
            15 June 2019 16: 12
            Quote: Masha
            That the plane does not flap its wings at all? recourse

            It depends on what. Su-17 of all modifications "waved" in a certain range. And the MiG-23. And Tu-160. And everyone who is supposed to).
            1. +3
              15 June 2019 16: 27
              Quote: Doliva63
              It depends on what. Su-17 of all modifications "waved" in a certain range. And the MiG-23. And Tu-160. And everyone who is supposed to).

              Well, what then "stealth"?
              1. +2
                15 June 2019 16: 43
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Quote: Doliva63
                It depends on what. Su-17 of all modifications "waved" in a certain range. And the MiG-23. And Tu-160. And everyone who is supposed to).

                Well, what then "stealth"?

                When the plane goes 30-50 meters at a speed of 900-1000 km / h, it does not need stealth.
                1. +2
                  15 June 2019 16: 52
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  When the plane goes 30-50 m at a speed of 900-1000 km / h., It does not need stealth

                  Sorry, I didn't put such a smiley there " lol "
                  I'm translating everything as a joke smile
                  1. +2
                    15 June 2019 17: 00
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    When the plane goes 30-50 m at a speed of 900-1000 km / h., It does not need stealth

                    Sorry, I didn't put such a smiley there " lol "
                    I'm translating everything as a joke smile

                    Hockey, repelled. drinks
      2. +3
        15 June 2019 15: 41
        Quote: Masha
        throw it like that!

        In tear good
        You can suppress fish ... feel
        1. +2
          15 June 2019 15: 45
          love
          You can see the fisherman right away!
          Not ... well, what can you do from a saiga helicopter ... but fish from an airplane ... why not?
          1. +4
            15 June 2019 16: 01
            Quote: Masha
            and fish from an airplane ... why not?

            About two years, or three years ago, I read the story of one pilot. The site was seems to pilots who were relearned in Lipetsk. I don’t remember what it was called, but it seemed to me
            They passed the bombing test. There was a river flowing there. Well, everyone successfully bombed, the mark has already been "excellent". It remains to bomb the political officer. Well, the military comes up to them, those who maintain the training ground and offer to throw the last bomb into the river under the shore. Then divide the fish. The pilots agreed. Polygon drove up a truck and are waiting for him. The zampolit starts bombing and drops a bomb from a gliding flight. She ricochets off the water and flies straight for the truck. The people are in loose. The bomb explodes and flips the truck onto its side. Fortunately, no one was hurt. Even a truck was turned over and left.
            Of course, everyone was left without fish
            1. +3
              15 June 2019 16: 04
              There was no bite ... lol
              1. +2
                15 June 2019 16: 13
                Quote: Masha
                There was no bite ...

                Or maybe they made a mistake with the bait. feel
                Or maybe not fed laughing
                1. +2
                  15 June 2019 16: 34
                  something like this...
              2. +4
                15 June 2019 16: 13
                Quote: Masha
                There was no bite ... lol

                On the contrary. That was cool laughing
                That all remained alive.
                1. +2
                  15 June 2019 16: 28
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  That all remained alive.

                  Sorry I lost this site.
                  Such stories were told there ... smile
                2. +2
                  15 June 2019 16: 57
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  On the contrary. That was cool

                  The wife comes home drunk.
                  The husband asks: - Where have you been?
                  She replies: - On a fishing trip.
                  The husband says: - And where is the fish? What bite was not?
                  Wife: - There is no fish ... It was cool !!!
                  1. +2
                    15 June 2019 17: 05
                    Quote: Masha
                    The wife comes home drunk.

                    It was not March 8th? bully
              3. +3
                15 June 2019 16: 58
                It wasn’t all cool! Yes
            2. +2
              15 June 2019 16: 26
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Quote: Masha
              and fish from an airplane ... why not?

              About two years, or three years ago, I read the story of one pilot. The site was seems to pilots who were relearned in Lipetsk. I don’t remember what it was called, but it seemed to me
              They passed the bombing test. There was a river flowing there. Well, everyone successfully bombed, the mark has already been "excellent". It remains to bomb the political officer. Well, the military comes up to them, those who maintain the training ground and offer to throw the last bomb into the river under the shore. Then divide the fish. The pilots agreed. Polygon drove up a truck and are waiting for him. The zampolit starts bombing and drops a bomb from a gliding flight. She ricochets off the water and flies straight for the truck. The people are in loose. The bomb explodes and flips the truck onto its side. Fortunately, no one was hurt. Even a truck was turned over and left.
              Of course, everyone was left without fish

              Hitting the Institute of Politicians in the Air Force. Let me remind you that all of them are only from pilots, and from very good ones.
              In the spring of 82 or 83, I don’t remember exactly, during the ice drift in N. someone decided that only a bombardment could save the bridge in the middle of the city. Allocated a couple - a comez and a political squadron commander. Our OK was shooting from that very bridge. The local people broke through to the bridge. Only the ice suffered - they bombed very accurately. When the couple left, they waved after her, now they would clap, but then this was not accepted.
              1. +2
                15 June 2019 16: 41
                Quote: Doliva63
                Hitting the Institute of Politicians in the Air Force.

                Sorry for what I bought, for what I sold request
                1. +2
                  15 June 2019 16: 53
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Hitting the Institute of Politicians in the Air Force.

                  Sorry for what I bought, for what I sold request

                  Bagman, no? They always do not care what to sell.
                  1. +1
                    15 June 2019 16: 56
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Bagman, no?

                    Well, how could I check this?
                    1. 0
                      16 June 2019 18: 45
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      Bagman, no?

                      Well, how could I check this?

                      Ok, I got excited with the assessment, sorry drinks
              2. +1
                15 June 2019 17: 12
                Hitting the Institute of Politicians in the Air Force. Let me remind you that all of them are only from pilots, and from very good ones.


                Which of the pilots is true. And which of the "very good" ... laughing Then ours mistakenly got into either pilots or political leaders. Yes there were all kinds.
                I didn’t kill him, and thanks for that. wassat
                1. 0
                  16 June 2019 18: 58
                  Quote: dauria
                  Hitting the Institute of Politicians in the Air Force. Let me remind you that all of them are only from pilots, and from very good ones.


                  Which of the pilots is true. And which of the "very good" ... laughing Then ours mistakenly got into either pilots or political leaders. Yes there were all kinds.
                  I didn’t kill him, and thanks for that. wassat

                  Judge for yourself - no one has taken combat training from the AE political commissar, just like everyone, he needs to have a raid, exercises for use, etc., and this is the same preparation for flights as everyone else, and he still has extra. load. Here, in order not to disrupt either the training plan for the pilots or the party political work, they put there, if not the best, but very gifted people. With us, when the regiment was sent to Syria, NachPO took its place, however. However, for all the Air Force I can’t judge, of course.
        2. +1
          15 June 2019 16: 19
          I'm going fishing, in the appendage to the fu-35 fishing rod to buy something.
          1. +2
            15 June 2019 16: 30
            Quote: Andrei Gurov
            in the appendage to the fu-35 fishing rod to buy something.

            Confuse torment.
            Better take domestic.
            And with spare parts easier.
            If, what a call to VO, they’ll get everything and deliver it by airmail to the place lol
            1. 0
              15 June 2019 16: 53
              Fe-35 is invisible so that fish surveillance does not catch.
              1. +1
                15 June 2019 16: 57
                Quote: Andrei Gurov
                Fe-35 is invisible so that fish surveillance does not catch.

                So right now fish inspection already has the S-400
                1. 0
                  15 June 2019 17: 00
                  Then you really need to take something of your own, the S-400 has a friend-alien recognition system.
                  1. +1
                    15 June 2019 17: 07
                    Quote: Andrei Gurov
                    the S-400 has a friend-or-foe recognition system.

                    And the SU-35 will be more maneuverable.
                    Can chase after a pike
                    1. +1
                      15 June 2019 17: 32
                      I don’t chase, I will throw cans.
                      1. 0
                        15 June 2019 17: 46
                        Quote: Andrei Gurov
                        about

                        Well. Pike a canister. And in the canister
    2. +2
      15 June 2019 15: 11
      Quote: Thrifty
      Yes, the cockpit canisters with solarium force to the maximum!

      -------------------------------
      Sorry, solarium why? Trucker warm up along the way? They have the same carasin. laughing
      1. +2
        15 June 2019 15: 42
        Quote: Altona
        Trucker warm up along the way?

        I want to earn some money laughing
  4. -1
    15 June 2019 15: 05
    In Iran, I think Israel will strike with missiles, apparently it accumulates them, the Air Force will be required if only during a ground forces raid through Iraq ...
    1. +1
      15 June 2019 15: 43
      Quote: Saboteur Holuay
      if only during a ground forces raid through Iraq.

      Yes, something is doubtful ..
      Through the desert ...
      Although not excluded
      1. +6
        15 June 2019 15: 51
        a raid of 90 million people? they made fun of how many Jews are there, only here will Yao help Israel correct the imbalance in the population during the war
        1. -6
          15 June 2019 18: 14
          And for Israel it is enough to inflict a military defeat on the IRGC and the army, destroy the nuclear program and withdraw from Iran ... and then the opposition will decide everything there
      2. -5
        15 June 2019 18: 05
        When the situation gets out of control, Israel can implement any variant of the plan without asking anyone, but I have been sure of such an option for a long time. Are you ... a desert? Israel has been fighting all its life exclusively in the desert and not at the north pole
  5. +1
    15 June 2019 15: 08
    I'm not surprised. Penguin tanks are really necessary for Jews, because for maximum security and impunity, they have to maneuver very actively in this Middle Eastern patchwork of states. It is not so easy to enter the territory of Lebanon (without substituting under Syrian air defense). It will be even more difficult with Iran.
  6. +6
    15 June 2019 15: 20
    to give the F-35A fighter and its Israeli version of the F-35I the ability to carry two 600-gallon outboard fuel tanks (each of 2700 liters)

    As I understand it, the Jews do this "invisibility" of their F-35 in a drum (with suspended TB) Then why ... here all sorts of Israeli "warrior professors" pull their hair out in all intimate places, proving that donated by their "bros" USA, the most super-airplanes are significant because no one (not even the S-300/400) sees them.
    1. +3
      15 June 2019 15: 24
      Quote: Piramidon
      here all sorts of "warrior professors" pull their hair out in all intimate places, proving that the super-airplanes donated by their "bros" from the USA are so significant that no one (except the S-300/400) sees them.

      Well, they have such a job (or an order from a higher authority). Each in its own robиt how canиso
      Yes, and Israel has no other option than the F-35 of modern fighters. Those. one must praise what is.
      By the way, the S-300 may not see it (if not the latest modifications like the S-300PMU2), but in Syria there are few of them. S-400 - I think it sees it clearly, otherwise the United States would not have arranged a tantrum on the whole planet with the purchase of these complexes by Turkey. Yes, and Jews would not have flown in the detection zone of the S-400 Tartus with a Luneberg lens.
    2. +5
      15 June 2019 15: 54
      Hanging tanks can be dropped before entering the enemy’s air defense zone
      And thereby and additional range and stealth at the same time
      1. 0
        15 June 2019 16: 47
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Hanging tanks can be dropped before entering the enemy’s air defense zone
        And thereby and additional range and stealth at the same time

        Here, at the expense of the suspension on the Su-57 NURSs, a whole hysteria took place about their invisibility. But the fact that these pendants may or may not be, depending on the assignment, these "professors with warriors" do not take into account. Yankees gifts to Israel - their FSE.
        1. +4
          15 June 2019 17: 03
          Quote: Piramidon
          Gifts of the Yankees to Israel - their FSE.

          These are not gifts.
      2. -1
        15 June 2019 22: 08
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Hanging tanks can be dropped before entering the enemy’s air defense zone
        And thereby and additional range and stealth at the same time

        You can then, but what for half empty tanks with fuel dump? They have fuel and lubricants as we have in the days of the Union a liter of 15 cents?
        1. 0
          15 June 2019 23: 02
          If the F-35 is shot down because of the tanks that have not been dropped, then there will be savings in the "effective"
    3. -3
      15 June 2019 18: 32
      "As I understand it, the Jews this" invisibility "of their
      F-35 in a drum (with suspended TB then) "////
      ------
      You got it wrong. Hanging tanks - discarded.
      When flying over long distances, aircraft first
      fuel is taken from the overhead tanks, then they are dumped.
      And they enter the enemy’s air defense zone already with
      inner tanks like stealth. Always ask if
      something is not clear! hi
      1. +4
        15 June 2019 19: 16
        Thanks, Captain Evidence!
        But we all wondered how poor Jews were going to fight with hanging tanks. Indeed, they will obviously choose fuel first from the fuselage, and only then they will switch to the suspension. = _ =
        1. -4
          15 June 2019 19: 20
          Not everyone understands immediately, like you. good
          Therefore, I have to explain very
          detail why stealth fighter-bomber can
          need extra tanks.
          1. +4
            15 June 2019 19: 24
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Not everyone understands how you

            Thank you, but there's really nothing to understand.
            Although ... take a look at this short video ...
            I am very glad that Russia is still a better situevina.
            1. +1
              15 June 2019 21: 47
              Quote: Kuroneko
              I am very glad that Russia is still a better situevina.

              Well, if "SITUEVINA" then probably not quite:
              1. 0
                16 June 2019 06: 46
                Well, you compared - pizza and history. ^ _ ^
                1. 0
                  16 June 2019 07: 02
                  Quote: Kuroneko
                  Well, you compared - pizza and history. ^ _ ^

                  Let's go further
      2. +2
        15 June 2019 20: 05
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Always ask if
        something is not clear!


        Lick, Shura, lick ... your owners are paying you for this.
        1. 0
          16 June 2019 02: 46
          Piramidon (Stepan. Russia) Yesterday, 20: 05
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Always ask if
          something is not clear!



          Lick, Shura, lick ... your owners are paying you for this.

          Why !!! good Cool test !!! good
      3. 0
        16 June 2019 02: 54
        voyaka uh (Alexey) Yesterday, 18: 32
        -2
        "As I understand it, the Jews this" invisibility "of their
        F-35 in a drum (with suspended TB then) "////
        ------
        You got it wrong. Hanging tanks - discarded.
        When flying over long distances, aircraft first
        fuel is taken from the overhead tanks, then they are dumped.
        And they enter the enemy’s air defense zone already with
        inner tanks like stealth.

        Who would have thought!!! request laughing laughing laughing
        Always ask if
        something is not clear! hi

        Record on which days? laughing laughing laughing
    4. +2
      15 June 2019 19: 43
      Quote: Piramidon
      As I understand it, the Jews do this "invisibility" of their F-35 in a drum (with suspended TB) Then why ... here all sorts of Israeli "warrior professors" pull their hair out in all intimate places, proving that donated by their "bros" USA, the most super-airplanes are significant because no one (not even the S-300/400) sees them.

      also such a thought immediately arose (But what about all this notorious "invisibility" ???)
  7. +2
    15 June 2019 15: 23
    "will affect the stealth of the machine" but the Jews are not particularly worried about stealth while performing their tasks on the f-16
    1. +1
      15 June 2019 16: 55
      Quote: evgenii67
      Yes, Jews are not particularly worried about stealth, performing their tasks on f-16

      From the airspace of neighboring countries. As in Hebrew, act from behind the walls of the neighboring apartment. negative
      1. 0
        16 June 2019 02: 48
        Piramidon (Stepan. Russia) Yesterday, 16: 55
        +1
        Quote: evgenii67
        Yes, Jews are not particularly worried about stealth, performing their tasks on f-16

        From the airspace of neighboring countries. How is it in Hebrew act from behind the walls of the neighboring apartment. negative

        Pure jackal habits, otherwise they can not !!!
    2. -1
      15 June 2019 19: 26
      On the F-16 you have to get close to targets at extremely low altitudes.
      What is difficult and dangerous on a light fighter bombed with bombs
      bomber. Therefore, we pass to the F-35, with which the tactics of striking the ground
      changes dramatically.
  8. +4
    15 June 2019 15: 23
    How cool when there are a lot of customers on the plane. Each one adjusts it to their requirements and as a result, the number of aircraft options becomes more and more, and he - more and more universal.
  9. 0
    15 June 2019 15: 24
    It remains to wait until Israel needs strategic bombers. Appetite comes with eating.
    1. 0
      15 June 2019 16: 00
      Quote: Aliken
      strategic bombers will be needed.

      And why are they needed?
      1. +1
        15 June 2019 16: 10
        To bomb those who are not pleasing to Israel, anywhere in the world.
        1. -2
          15 June 2019 18: 07
          Quote: Aliken
          To bomb those who are not pleasing to Israel, anywhere in the world

          Anywhere in the world, NO such!
          There is only ONE point which has a proxy and a desire to destroy Israel.
          1. -2
            15 June 2019 19: 06
            Funny, yes.)
  10. 0
    15 June 2019 15: 25
    The F-35I Adir is equipped with Israeli avionics and weapons. I wouldn't be surprised if they want to "try" the S-300 with a spike-250.
    1. +3
      15 June 2019 15: 53
      so we can then give the Iskander for rent Syria for a couple of weeks, everything is mutual in this world
      1. -2
        15 June 2019 18: 48
        Quote: Graz
        everything is mutual in this world


        But this will happen a week earlier.
    2. +1
      15 June 2019 16: 03
      Quote: knn54
      if they want to "try" the S-300

      Why try?
      Pour and drink.
    3. 0
      15 June 2019 18: 02
      knn54, first you need to fly the F-35 to the line of "spike" use on the territory of Iran ... And this could end in disastrous for the F-35. The S-300PMU2 is a serious complex and will detect, even without targeting, the F-35 before it has time to launch the spike. And even if it has time to launch, it is not a fact that the spike will hit the S-300PMU2, but most likely the spike will also be shot down! Only battle will decide everything.
  11. -1
    15 June 2019 15: 32
    This is called "turn on the giraffe." In the sense, it arrived on the 7th day.
    So see the concept of stealth strike NOW. Zaig Zigzag MakKryakov takes off, all such inconspicuous, inconspicuous ... They fly up to the border of saturated air defense and it turns out that in order to fly where it is necessary and return it is necessary to refuel. And so imperceptibly, imperceptibly to them near the border of the state that needs to be attacked, he rolls over with a hippopotamus, imperceptibly, the carcass of a tanker, sparkling in all ranges like a chandelier, and imperceptibly they begin to refuel - at an altitude, at a shaver it will not work ... the world is watching the show - Invisible Santa Claus and his deer ...
    Dare to say that it’s better to have PTBs that can be thrown off before the border - how much did it work there? 10 years? In St. Petersburg there is such a Freak Theater in the Kunstkamera - try to get settled by exhibits, with all Lockheed - they’ll definitely take
    1. +8
      15 June 2019 15: 55
      Therefore, the United States developed an unmanned stealth tanker
      1. +3
        15 June 2019 15: 58
        In 2016, the U.S. Navy formulated new requirements for a carrier-based drone, changing its main purpose. The project was renamed the MQ-25 Stingray and redesigned as an unmanned tanker. Moreover, the military command abandoned stealth-characteristics of the aircraft, and also removed the ability to carry weapons from the requirements. Externally, the MQ-25 Stingray resembles a smaller version of the stealth bomber B-2 Spirit.
        1. +3
          15 June 2019 16: 28
          Of course not stealth, and therefore looks like a smaller copy of the B-2. laughing
          Not all the United States needs to be trusted, to put it mildly not all
          1. 0
            15 June 2019 16: 35
            Exactly. In the fact that the US is technologically ahead of someone now - sheer nonsense, in any area where there is an objective comparison of opportunities - they lose. Nuclear energy, the development of the circumpolar regions, the same ISS - even if routine work can not be carried out or even the engine is not spent, but a banal outhouse.
            So stealth can very well be at the level of B-2 and F-117, which the ancient S-125 see. NOT STELS, what I mean.
            PiSi: as for the similarity - the flying wing pattern is similar to one another. According to your logic, the stealth was already in the Third Reich - there was one, they even built a couple, a copy of B-2
            1. +2
              15 June 2019 16: 44
              And all that you said nonsense suddenly.
              Nuclear power?
              United States of America USA (804 billion kWh / year), 99 nuclear reactors are operating (20% of the generated electricity) [16]
              France France (379 billion kWh / year), 58 reactors, 71,6% [17].
              China China (210 billion kWh / year), 39 reactors, 3,6% [18].
              Russia Russia (202,868 billion kWh / year), 35 reactors, 18,9% [19].

              Engines?
              LV operating with engines USA, Delta-4, Pegasus, Minotaur, Taurus, Falcon-9.
              The toilet, it turned out that our cosmonauts were repairing it and servicing it under a contract with NASA, that’s the motive to take ours, and not be grumbling. While the Russians are repairing the toilet in American segment, the United States is conducting research in its laboratory module. But the Russian scientific module is still on Earth, and why is it that astronauts are really at work?
              Etc
              1. 0
                15 June 2019 17: 04
                The last reactor in the United States was built 30 years ago, the MOX fuel technology has not been mastered, despite the fact that these are the terms of the agreement on nuclear weapons reduction, the production of plutonium as well as its processing - technologies are lost, uranium mining - over 80% is carried out by Rosatom in the United States, reactors of a new scheme, fast neutrons - not even in the design, reactors of the old scheme are not technologically efficient, therefore the Vogtl nuclear power plants are frozen, as well as theirs in India and China (the reason for the bankruptcy of Westinghouse), the cause of the Fukushima accident is technological and production mistakes, right from the design stage - the horse didn’t lie there, starting from steels that are not radio-resistant and therefore crumble in the reactor, and to the absence of certification for seismic stability - enough for you about savage nuclear power? These are not oven commercials for you, about how everything went unnoticed and somewhere, these are bare facts - THERE ARE NO ATOMIC ENERGETICS in the USA, they eat up what they have built up to them, and without even understanding how everything works there
                1. +2
                  15 June 2019 17: 12
                  Technology MOX fuel in the United States is, bought from the French. They just do not want to deprive themselves of stockpiles of weapons-grade uranium and plutonium under a contract and are slowing down the view.
                  They already had fast-neutron reactors and they shut them down long ago. MOX fuel is more expensive than usual.
                  Of course, they do not build nuclear reactors, but the question is: what then do the numerous nuclear submarines float on and whose aircraft carriers rivet the steppes like sausages? In the holy American spirit? wassat
                  1. 0
                    15 June 2019 17: 26
                    There is no MOX fuel technology in the United States, but the French, by the way. they could buy only the part that is responsible for mixing the two oxides, although under the contract they were obliged to master the distillation of weapons-grade plutonium into oxides, however, these are trifles - there are NO technologies. if they bought pieces of paper. and they cannot build a plant, much less MOX-fueled reactors - they "have" technologies for the production of RD engines. A quarter of a century like that, which does not negate the fact that handcuffs grow from gum and the engine cannot do it. And the fact that they carry spent nuclear fuel to France, across the ocean
                    They already had fast-neutron reactors and they shut them down long ago. MOX fuel is more expensive than usual.

                    It wasn’t, and Mox-fuel in terms of productivity is cheaper. It’s you who are now telling me that firewood is cheaper than gasoline, because you only drive wood, yes. The cost of electricity goes cheaper per unit, and the rest does not make any sense.
                    1. 0
                      15 June 2019 17: 42
                      The French have full MOX technology and they are actively trading MOX fuel.
                      On the engine you see missed my words.
                      Falcon-9, Falcon-Heavy, Delta-4, Delta-Heavy, Pegasus and Taurus fly exclusively on American engines. The USA has a bunch of its engines
                      The cost of electricity for MOX fuel is more expensive.
                      1. -1
                        15 June 2019 19: 09
                        The French have full MOX technology
                        For combined Uranium (2/3) and MOX (1/3) assemblies. The problem is that with such a load the SNF will then be so poisoned by fission products that these assemblies cannot be recycled a second time, so I wrote that they can only mix oxides and be silent - yes, MOX fuel, this is not the same thing that closed loop and processing of weapons-grade plutonium.
                        SNF of MOX fuel from light-water reactors cannot be reprocessed, it has to be prepared for “eternal” storage.

                        By the way, this is why mattresses are "more expensive"; And here it is cheaper by an order of magnitude - the energy release of such an assembly is higher by an order of magnitude, and it is processed again into fuel!
                        And I see YOU missed that fact that the USA does not have this technology. As there were no fast neutron reactors, two prototypes were built, in the USA and Japan. in total, they worked for a couple of months, after which they burned nafig, the topic is closed due to the impossibility of implementation
                        Now about dvigl - everything is simple with dvigl - they cannot refuse Russian ones - FACT TIME. Although they are trying hard and generally sanctions - FACT TWO. The conclusion from this is simple - they do not know how to build a replacement. And this is FACT THREE.
                        That is, we see all the same superiority, technological, of the Russian Federation over the USA, and together with France.
                        Bon Appetit
                      2. 0
                        15 June 2019 20: 01
                        For 100% there is also
                        Only four units in the United States are designed to be fully loaded with MOX, three System-80 PWR units at the country's largest Palo Verde nuclear power plant (Tonopah, Arizona) and a block under construction in Washington
  12. 0
    15 June 2019 15: 33
    I read the comments and remembered:
  13. +2
    15 June 2019 15: 42
    Allow me to joke, and the Israelis pour kosher kerosene into the tanks?
  14. 0
    15 June 2019 15: 45
    This innovation will undoubtedly affect the secrecy of the machine.

    Prepare an excuse in advance in case of a breakdown of "invisibility"
    1. +2
      15 June 2019 15: 57
      Quote: sir_obs
      Prepare an excuse in advance in case of a breakdown of "invisibility"

      According to the report, the Israeli F-35I will have two different external fuel tanks to expand the range of the aircraft
      the first of these is a 425 gallon wing tank manufactured by a subsidiary of Elbit.
      They can be dropped when approaching enemy airspace.
      There is another option.
      IAI has partnered with Lockheed to make tank mounts that "hug" the F-35's airframe to avoid compromising stealth and aerodynamics.
      Will fit?
      1. 0
        15 June 2019 17: 02
        No, it won’t. Where is what I wrote before, namely the text from the article

        “This innovation will undoubtedly affect the stealth of the machine.”
        That was exactly my comment.

        If you cite, quote in full.

        It's about the article on this site and what it says.
        1. +1
          15 June 2019 19: 35
          Quote: sir_obs
          “This innovation will undoubtedly affect the stealth of the machine.”

          Quote: sir_obs
          Prepare an excuse in advance in case of a breakdown of "invisibility"

          According to the report, the Israeli F-35I will have two different external fuel tanks to expand the range of the aircraft
          the first of these is a 425 gallon wing tank manufactured by a subsidiary of Elbit.
          They can be dropped when approaching enemy airspace.
          There is another option.
          IAI partners with Lockheed to make tank mounts that "hug" the F-35 glider, so as not to jeopardize stealth and aerodynamics.
          IAI to co-develop with Lockheed bolt-on conformal fuel tanks which “hug” the F-35 airframe so as not to compromise stealth and aerodynamics.
          And so it fits?
    2. -2
      15 June 2019 16: 50
      Quote: sir_obs
      This innovation will undoubtedly affect the secrecy of the machine.

      Prepare an excuse in advance in case of a breakdown of "invisibility"

      I do not remember a single case in the history of Israel that he was making excuses to someone. He was never the first to attack, he always answered with dignity. But in order to make excuses, and even prepare in advance for this, no, it wasn’t. And will not be. Because there is no time left for the development of the economy or for the defense of the country. All energy will only go to excuses. Here, for example, they decided to increase the capacity of the tanks. Not a word was said about Iran. But it is already necessary to justify that Israel has not needed Iran for a hundred years. Just not the first one to run into. Iran, in my opinion, is easier to get out of the water, or use seismic weapons. Therefore, Israel and clogs the tanks to Iran, to divert eyes. Not making excuses at the same time. drinks
  15. 0
    15 June 2019 16: 04
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Hanging tanks can be dropped before entering the enemy’s air defense zone
    And thereby and additional range and stealth at the same time

    I think everyone has long understood that tanks will be used outside the active opposition zone. In BV, does anyone have a radius greater than 300 km for this zone? Well so what to bathe
    Moreover f35 is unfinished ...
  16. +1
    15 June 2019 16: 14
    Something news about this very dubious jet often, it’s not so, and it’s not))
    This is not for nothing ju-ju laughing
    1. -1
      15 June 2019 16: 17
      Anti-advertising. Competitors realized that the market was losing. They began to fuss, mass media connected .. winked
      Bad goods are ignored, aren't they.
  17. 0
    15 June 2019 16: 57
    Quote: Aberbach
    ... there is an opinion that TYPO "HUNTER" is a repainted Israeli UAV, and in Iraq Israel destroyed the one that was building a nuclear reactor, it will also be in Iran, before you write something, read the mat part

    There is no such opinion. This is complete nonsense.
  18. 0
    15 June 2019 21: 06
    Quote: Kuroneko
    Yes, and Jews would not have flown in the detection zone of the S-400 Tartus with a Luneberg lens.

    Do not confuse invisibility and stealth. There are no invisibilities in nature. He is invulnerable to a certain distance and this is precisely the advantage. And the lens in order to turn the plane into ordinary for the time being, to prevent the enemy from studying the true EPR, and at the right time to drop the lenses and get out of the sleeve of the ace.
  19. +1
    15 June 2019 23: 26
    Quote: Doliva63

    Probably, everyone immediately realized about "visits" to Iran. But they were there when they bought these planes, what were they thinking, I wonder?

    There was a message, a year ago, these Israeli planes, using refueling aircraft, flew over Iran,
    Then the head of Iranian air defense was removed, who hid the presence of Israeli aircraft in the sky of Iran ...
  20. -1
    16 June 2019 15: 28
    Quote: Altona
    that it is a request for visits to distant Iranian "friends".


    Yeah, a small but very "proud" country is so swollen with its insatiable desire to be even more "great" that they will soon ask the Americans to add three such tanks to the F-35, so that they can certainly reach Nizhny Tagil:
    http://9tv.co.il/news/2019/05/20/270682.html
    "Israel against Russia: the war in the Middle East could escalate into the third world"

    "As long as Israel warns Russia about upcoming strikes on Syria, this prevents a conflict, but as the case of the Il-20 showed, the situation can change at one moment, and then the consequences will be very grave," the journalist concludes.

    And here they continue to write about Israel's "friendship" with Russia?
    We don't need such a "friendship":