On the relevance of deploying an aircraft gun on the F-35 stealth fighter

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The other day, the Pentagon published another report on the problems identified on the fifth-generation fighter F-35. Among the many problematic nuances, the following drew attention to itself: when firing from aviation GAU-4 / A 25-barrel 22-mm cannon mount produces vibration, which is transmitted both to the pilot's seat and to the instrument panel, making certain “corrections” to the sensor readings.

On the relevance of deploying an aircraft gun on the F-35 stealth fighter




This is a problem on the version of the American fighter F-35A. The gun installation in this version is located inside the aircraft - at some distance behind one of the air intakes.

After the publication, the question of how generally relevant the placement and use of conventional aircraft cannons on an aircraft, which is initially positioned as “invisible” —the aircraft that can “open” the enemy’s air defense without entering the affected area — was discussed. How important is the presence of a cannon for an aircraft that initially "is not going to open up" in front of enemy aircraft?

The very fact of having an aviation gun system suggests that the developers have indicated the possibility of direct combat contact F-35. So direct that the possibility of using air-to-air missiles is already disappearing. In turn, this suggests that the developers, to put it mildly, are not at 100 percent sure of the ability of F-35 to accomplish the combat mission while remaining outside the detection zone.

Thus, the F-35 pilots are given the opportunity to express themselves in face-to-face air combat with the enemy. And here the maneuverability parameters of this American aircraft come to the fore. And with the maneuverability parameters on the background of the latest Russian fighters (even the Su-35), the F-35 has certain problems that are recognized by American experts.
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  1. +15
    15 June 2019 07: 20
    Once upon a time, the Americans had already abandoned the guns on the first versions of the Phantom. But Vietnam and the meeting with Migami quickly changed the perception of cannon weapons as "obsolete" wink
    1. +8
      15 June 2019 07: 44
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Once upon a time, the Americans already refused guns on the first versions of the Phantom

      Remember to see, since they put a little pusher on the "invisible" wink Earlier here they wrote about it that the software is "crooked". Now there is vibration ... Oh, yes, 4 barrels and 25 mm each ... In short, work there and work - "Saw Shura, saw, they are golden!"
      1. +10
        15 June 2019 08: 16
        Yuri, I’ll clarify: “Panikovsky understood everything for a long time and for an hour he drove a hacksaw just for sight” ...
      2. +3
        15 June 2019 08: 45
        Oh, my heart feels that these 4 guns are not random!
        Their presence is definitely confirmed in anticipation of direct cannon contact with the Russians (the Western Allies do not even think about such prospects (they immediately become ill!) laughing
        But Americans frostbitten and believing in their exclusivity, they can easily go to the Su-35 and even the Su-57 in direct contact.
        1. +6
          15 June 2019 09: 03
          Quote: hydrox
          But Americans frostbitten and believing in their exclusivity, they can easily go to the Su-35 and even the Su-57 in direct contact.

          Frostbite alone will not help. For close combat, you need weapons, a variable thrust vector and speed. But the Americans do not, this is why the whole American combat technology is developed for long distances. That F-22/35, what to take them AH-64 Apache. The cars are good, but they are not suitable for close combat
        2. Fat
          +3
          15 June 2019 10: 24
          Quote: hydrox
          But Americans frostbitten and believing in their exclusivity, they can easily go to the Su-35 and even the Su-57 in direct contact.

          Your heart tells you right. The guns are completely random. I sometimes think, if there were combat-ready guns on the fighters accompanying M. Rust, he would never have dared to reach Red Square. The line of tracers at the rate quickly recalls the frailty of being.
          There is absolutely nothing to do with frostbitten fighter pilots. Even everyday experience can suggest that without a decent knife hunting is not very comfortable. And in the absence of teeth, barbecue is a test for character. hi
          1. +1
            15 June 2019 11: 29
            Quote: Thick
            had the combat-ready guns on the fighters accompanying M. Rust, he would never have dared to reach the Red Square. The line of tracers at the rate quickly recalls the frailty of being.

            A fighter of senior lieutenant Pucnin took off to intercept Rust.

            He flew around the Cessna twice and reported to the command post that he saw "a light-engine sports-type aircraft with a blue stripe along the fuselage." An order from the ground to shoot down the border violator would not even have to shoot - it was enough to turn on the afterburner fire sword, and only burnt debris would fall to the ground.

            after the South Korean Boeing was shot down in the Far East, which allegedly "by mistake" violated the Soviet border. The instruction forbade shooting down passenger and light aircraft.

            Rust was flying at a low altitude and at a low speed - about 140 km / h. Our jet fighters could not "slow down" to go near him. They were flying with an arrow (about 2000 km / h) over the Cessna, waiting for clear commands from the ground. But they were not there. And the pilots took the cars to their airfields.

            So it wasn't guns
            1. Fat
              -1
              15 June 2019 12: 09
              Quote: Lipchanin
              So it wasn't guns

              It's not about guns, but about shells. It is much worse to report unauthorized munitions than miss an intruder.
              ... I wouldn’t even have to shoot - it was enough to turn on the afterburner fire sword
              - a rough "excuse"! As well as the lack of "brakes" in a combat fighter.
              Let anyone stop, but not me - the main leitmotif.
              A plane flying over a parallel course does not bring down an airplane.
              1. +4
                15 June 2019 13: 07
                Quote: Thick
                A plane flying over a parallel course does not bring down an airplane.

                Why parallel? Above and in front of him. For the jet to hit him
                It's not about guns, but about shells

                I will quote again
                Walk from the ground order knock down

                The instruction forbade to shoot passenger and light aircraft.

                [Quote] waiting for clear commands from the ground. But they were not[/ Quote]
                That's the problem.
                1. Fat
                  0
                  15 June 2019 13: 30
                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  That's the problem.

                  The point is to force the pilot to land, not "destroy the target"
                  1. +3
                    15 June 2019 13: 54
                    Quote: Thick
                    The point is to force the pilot to land, not "destroy the target"

                    Do you learn to read?
                    I quote for the third time
                    waiting for clear commands from the ground. But they were not
        3. 0
          15 June 2019 10: 32
          Well, yes, only they feel worse .....
    2. 0
      15 June 2019 10: 08
      Quote: Magic Archer
      Once upon a time, the Americans had already abandoned the guns on the first versions of the Phantom. But Vietnam and the meeting with Migami quickly changed the perception of cannon weapons as "obsolete" wink

      The Phantom machine gun simply made holes in the Mig’s wing, and the Mig’s gun simply detached the Phantom’s wing. Dokfilm is about it.
    3. 0
      15 June 2019 11: 02
      Then it was fashionable - Su-9 from the same opera; at about the same time they tried to equip him with guns. Since then, the concept of a purely rocket fighter has been gathering dust in the archives - the guns were returned to the Su-11.
    4. +1
      15 June 2019 14: 10
      And why did you all decide that these guns are for fighters? Mb they are for bombers, transporters, tankers, aircraft, airplanes. It’s cheaper to rotate a cabin or engine with guns than rockets
      1. +2
        15 June 2019 15: 30
        Are you serious?
        Make combat contact with the goal of turning her cannons?
        Are you sure that the target will let you reach the distance of the cannon shot and at the same time will not snap back?
        Today, the Yankees wrote that the Tomkets approached the MiG-25 at an altitude of 6 km and entered into a contact battle, and they also shot down the MiGs ... laughing
        Do you also want a contact battle with the Su-35?
        Or is it more prestigious for you to bully no further than 1 km from the Su-57?
        Boch to help you and a wreath at the grave! lol
      2. +4
        15 June 2019 22: 26
        Quote: Vol4ara
        And why did you all decide that these guns are for fighters?

        I completely agree.
        What is ALL that we have, what they have, are so excited? What will have to fight a gun with a Su-57.
        And then in the air there are few goals for the gun. Reconnaissance balls, for example, were only shot down from a cannon. Low-speed UAVs do not make a hole out of a gun.
        Who will say that the MiG-31 is designed for maneuverable aerial combat? However, a six-barrel mounted on it.
  2. +3
    15 June 2019 07: 37
    So they still have not solved the problem with firing a cannon - she does not want to shoot in short bursts! And also its unfortunate location, as well as the fact that at f35 A the cannon always hits harder than the target, which the United States just did not do! The gun has gone through a bunch of software updates, its re-centering, but the result is the same - the shells are "afraid" of the target! Then why bother with a cannon? With the same success it was possible to put machine guns under the wings! !! fool
  3. +1
    15 June 2019 07: 40
    Thus, F-35 pilots are given the opportunity to prove themselves in an air battle

    For which it is not a plane, it is not intended, not a pilot is not ready.
    He's all set to "let it go and forget it." And then suddenly an air battle on a machine not quite intended for this
  4. -2
    15 June 2019 07: 45
    They would put two six-barreled guns so that from the recoil f35 in flight it would crumble! And, the colonies would be required to buy 500 crafts f35A! !! Every colony! !! And not 500 for the whole NATO! !! fool
  5. +1
    15 June 2019 08: 11
    Hmm, now "experts" will run up who will claim that the Fu-35 is the best jet in the world, you just don't understand wassat
    1. 0
      15 June 2019 08: 26
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      you just don't understand

      Well no. We just don't see laughing
      The designers have achieved their goal, no one sees his flaws laughing
      1. +2
        15 June 2019 14: 16
        Here, rather, the merchants got their way, they give a raw jet to everyone who is not lazy, but they themselves sit in the office and consider the loot, while the designers scratch the pumpkin, how to patch up the technical flaws winked
  6. +1
    15 June 2019 08: 25
    To designate problems, such as poor maneuverability, "penguin" no matter how and how to have these problems in real life, is not the same thing! And the chicken manifests itself as a "kite" when the edge approaches, it happens!
    Those. see, feel everything in real life, the most reliable thing .... though, well, naf. We can do without it ...
    1. 0
      15 June 2019 08: 29
      Rocket 757 - in this case, your opinion does not fit this chicken, because from birth it was not even a chicken, but a lame one, and heavily weighted, afraid of flying indocur! !! wassat
      1. +1
        15 June 2019 09: 01
        Quote: Thrifty
        and, overweight, afraid of flying indocur! !!

        In a word, broiler laughing
        1. +1
          15 June 2019 16: 16
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Thrifty
          and, overweight, afraid of flying indocur! !!

          In a word, broiler laughing

          The broiler is not chicken, especially not MEAT !!! And the Indo duck, HOME, very YUM - YUM!
      2. 0
        15 June 2019 16: 11
        Quote: Thrifty
        Rocket 757 - in this case, your opinion does not fit this chicken, because from birth it was not even a chicken, but a lame one, and heavily weighted, afraid of flying indocur! !! wassat

        There is no point in discussing the "penguin" as an air fighter .... born to shoot from afar, in a "bayonet" is useless! The general impression, and a significant part of the "experts" insist on this!
        Ready to agree with this, but look at the actions in real life does not hurt.
  7. -2
    15 June 2019 09: 02
    Well, they waited for the Fu-35, which was vaunted in certain circles, they are already trying on the fluffy dogs .. so you look and it will come to the propellers))))
    1. 0
      15 June 2019 10: 27
      Quote: KomDiv
      .so you look and it’s up to the propellers)

      Also on the Stealth technology? belay lol
      1. -2
        15 June 2019 13: 00
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: KomDiv
        .so you look and it’s up to the propellers)

        Also on the Stealth technology? belay lol

        Namely, after the development of Russian air defense and electronic warfare, the United States I think will soon switch to this technology .. We have learned to defend ourselves and we have no equal in the next 10-20 years!
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  8. +2
    15 June 2019 09: 04
    This is, first of all, a commercial project ... and initially it did not imply any air battles ... There was no one to fight with. They "wrote off" Russia, and against the outdated Air Force of some Iran, their Lightning_2 would be invisible and indestructible, like Zeus the Thunderer ... And at that moment they did not consider China as a military threat. And here - on you ... And the project has already been launched at full capacity ... So the "invisibility" is incomprehensible (how much it is "tough" for modern radars), and the combat characteristics should be confirmed!
    1. -3
      15 June 2019 09: 31
      the fact that all American aircraft "commercial projects" did not prevent them from shooting down their opponents in batches. And every technique has childhood illnesses, just some of them are hushed up and secret, while others do not.
      1. +5
        15 June 2019 10: 07
        This is whom they shot down in batches? When did you get complete quantitative superiority? In Europe ?
        Or in the Pacific until the age of 43? They are smart guys, seven are not afraid of one ...
      2. +1
        15 June 2019 10: 28
        Quote: Memfis
        It didn’t stop in any way from knocking down their opponents in batches.

        In Korea, Vietnam ...
        1. +1
          15 June 2019 13: 09
          Quote: Lipchanin
          In Korea, Vietnam

          Quite bad recourse
          I forgot to put a question mark recourse
  9. +2
    15 June 2019 09: 14
    Fact time: Once they shot a cannon from fighters - for tripods it ended with a bunch of blind spots in Korea, and precisely because there wasn’t a cannon.
    Fact two: This "invisible man" has a so-called beast mode - a weapon on an external sling. In this mode, it glows exactly the same as any non-stealth fighter.
    Fact three: already even in the foreign press they stopped calling him inconspicuous.
    https://www.f35.com/about/capabilities/stealth
    Stealth is not invisibility. Rather, stealth gives the F-35 the ability to elude or greatly complicate an enemy's ability to find and destroy an aircraft using a combination of design, tactics and technology.

    In short - it may be unnoticed, if the chip lies wink
    1. 0
      15 June 2019 10: 32
      Quote: Cowbra
      In short - it may be unnoticed, if the chip lies

      Is it easier to say if the enemy shuts down the onboard radar and closes his eyes? wink
      1. 0
        15 June 2019 11: 12
        No, it’s easier to say - as it is said that a combination of design technologies AND TACTICS - MAY COMPLICATE (or maybe not complicate) the enemy’s ability to find and gouge this iron. That’s what it says there, og.
        PiSi: and in stealth mode - it closed the eyes of the F-35 and turned off the locator - it is in passive mode, i.e. does not see nichrome. until he himself is irradiated. So your words - it refers to the F-35
  10. +3
    15 June 2019 09: 22
    We also had a period when the first modification of the MiG-21 came with purely missile weapons, but Vietnam showed that Khrushch Kukuruznoy’s ideas to do with missiles alone were vicious.
  11. +2
    15 June 2019 09: 45
    when firing from an aircraft 4-barrel 25-mm cannon mount GAU-22 / A, vibration occurs that is transmitted both to the pilot's seat and to the instrument panel, making certain “corrections” to the readings of the sensors.

    It could even be. But for almost a dozen years, the causes of vibration could long be identified and eliminated.
    1. 0
      15 June 2019 10: 16
      A block of rotating trunks with a monstrous rate of fire is a powerful source of vibration ... A cannon mount located not on the longitudinal axis of the aircraft should create an additional deflecting moment when shooting ... The mass of the aircraft is much less than the Su 57, and the rate of fire of the gun is more ... And the caliber is almost the same ... Maybe they just chose the wrong gun? wassat
      1. -1
        15 June 2019 20: 12
        The gun was installed exactly in the place that the fighter had
        Harrier. Harrier used it in air battles.
        She shoots cutoffs of 10 shells.
        Vibrations from the gun were always transmitted to the fuselage.
        A gun for hitting non-speed targets, like helicopters, drones,
        and transporters. And not the main weapon for aerial combat,
        therefore, the disadvantages of accuracy and accuracy are not particularly significant.
  12. +4
    15 June 2019 09: 55
    Quote: Aviator_
    there was a period when the first modification of the MiG-21 came with purely missile weapons,

    A bit wrong. Before purely rocket weapons, the first modification (MIG-21F) came with two guns (30-mm guns NR-30), the second (MIG-21F13) with one gun.
  13. 0
    15 June 2019 10: 55
    In fact, this prilada is set to be able to "shoot himself" in the event of an incredible, unexpected rapprochement with real virtuosos of the sky.
  14. +1
    15 June 2019 10: 57
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    A block of rotating trunks with a monstrous rate of fire is a powerful source of vibration ... A cannon mount located not on the longitudinal axis of the aircraft should create an additional deflecting moment when shooting ... The mass of the aircraft is much less than the Su 57, and the rate of fire of the gun is more ... And the caliber is almost the same ... Maybe they just chose the wrong gun? wassat

    This tin can, which does not know how to virtuoso in the sky, does not have time to use its cannon, will lie on the ground and regret that excessive weight prevented it from being shed in time.
  15. 0
    15 June 2019 10: 59
    A gun may be needed .... but why 25mmx4 barrel? F35 shock, of course the car, but why compete with the A10?
    1. Fat
      0
      15 June 2019 16: 43
      Quote: Zaurbek
      A gun may be needed .... but why 25mmx4 barrel? F35 shock, of course the car, but why compete with the A10?

      I.e? Do you consider the attack mode on the F-35 impossible, or do you mean that 4 barrels are redundant?
      1. 0
        15 June 2019 23: 52
        That's right, redundant.
  16. -1
    15 June 2019 11: 16
    "In turn, this suggests that the developers, to put it mildly,
    not 100 percent confident in the ability of the F-35 to perform combat
    task while staying outside the detection zone. "////
    -----
    Where is the logic? And if the F-35 comes across an enemy helicopter, a drone, a transporter?
    Spending an expensive rocket on them?
  17. +1
    15 June 2019 11: 30
    If the F-35 is not at close range, then of course he doesn’t need a gun. And if it turns out, then again it is not needed, since there is no necessary maneuverability. Apart from the balloon, they will not bring down anything.
    1. +1
      15 June 2019 12: 53
      The maneuverability of the F-35 is superior to the F-16 and greatly superior to the F-15.
      This was checked at the beginning of 2019, after the restrictions were lifted.
      by G to the aircraft fuselage. The turning radius of the F-35 is very small at
      speeds 0.8-0.95 MAX
      1. +1
        15 June 2019 22: 10
        voyaka uh (Alexey), again complete ignorance of the topic of military aircraft!
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The maneuverability of the F-35 is superior to the F-16 and greatly superior to the F-15.

        For people like you, Antipatr and others: "The thrust-to-weight ratio of the F-35 is 0,8, the thrust-to-weight ratio of the F-16 is 1,03 and the F-15 is the thrust-to-weight ratio: 1,07 (F100-PW-220), 1,31, 100 (F229-PW-35) The maneuverability and aerodynamics of the F-16 are worse than those of the F-15 and F-XNUMX, for the sake of stealth.
      2. 0
        16 June 2019 08: 08
        Quote: voyaka uh
        The maneuverability of the F-35 is superior to the F-16

        Not superior.

        1. 0
          16 June 2019 10: 06
          What year is this video?
          To make sharp turns and various aerobatics of increased complexity, the F-35 was allowed from the end of 2018. Prior to this, software limited maneuvers.
          1. +1
            16 June 2019 11: 55
            Quote: voyaka uh
            To make sharp turns and various aerobatics of increased complexity, the F-35 was allowed from the end of 2018.

            Roll over 80 degrees, where is cooler? About 28 ° / s, a fellow instructor of the US Air Force spoke in 2016. He exaggerated, apparently, quite a bit, a little more than one and a half times.
            1. +1
              16 June 2019 12: 06
              Norwegian pilots, who are gradually changing from F-16 to F-35, confirm that the F-35 confidently holds 28 degrees per second. More confident than the F-16.
              It was at the aviation forums of pilots.
              And in February 2019, American test pilots made even steeper turns - up to 50 degrees in a small radius. Which the F-22 can do with the rotation of the nozzles, and the F-35, as it turned out - with the help of the tail.
              As they concluded: the question of whether the F-35 is a highly maneuverable aircraft is closed - yes, it does.
              1. 0
                16 June 2019 18: 35
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Norwegian pilots, who are gradually changing from F-16 to F-35, confirm that the F-35 confidently holds 28 degrees per second. More confident than the F-16.

                What is this “confidence” that allows the F-16A to turn in 13 seconds, when the governing documents indicate that a “clean” aircraft will need a minimum of 17? And the F-35, judging by the materials presented, generally 21 s.

                Quote: voyaka uh
                It was at the aviation forums of pilots.

                The smartest source. Authors laid out their flight books?

                Quote: voyaka uh
                And in February 2019, American test pilots made even steeper turns - up to 50 degrees in a small radius.

                How's that?
                1. +1
                  16 June 2019 21: 38
                  Your full right to remain unconvinced. smile
                  I read articles in English, where combat pilots from different countries
                  tell their impressions about the aircraft and give their comparisons.
                  You can draw your knowledge from other sources.
                  I see no reason to continue the discussion. hi
  18. -3
    15 June 2019 16: 08
    The F-35 has everything you need for a real battle. There is not what is needed for aerial acrobatics at air shows. But gentlemen "experts" forget that at air shows the fourth generation flies without external suspensions. So in "stealth" mode in combat, the F-35 will be more maneuverable than the fourth generation, because it has better aerodynamics. And there cobras and barrels are not only unnecessary, but even harmful. As well as jumping on tanks from a hill.
    1. +2
      15 June 2019 21: 57
      Antipatr, as always true! Learn to understand the parameters of aircraft. The maneuverability of the F-35 is lower than that of the F-15 and F-16. Aerodynamics F-35 worse than the F-15 and F-16, for the sake of stealth ... Your complete ignorance! Read carefully.
      1. -2
        16 June 2019 06: 19
        Just a moment! Aerodynamics of the F-15 and F-16 with full load, that is, 4 AMRAAM and 4 (2) SIDEWINDER on the EXTERNAL SUSPENSION will be better than the F-35 with 4xAMRAAM on the inside? Do you understand that the 35th will be in combat equipment as smooth as sea pebbles, and the 16th ruffled, like an open umbrella thrown at the enemy?
  19. -1
    16 June 2019 06: 33
    This also applies to EPR. In the 4th generation, it is worse even when naked. And in a real battle, that is, with a bunch of rockets on an external sling? Can you imagine what horror there is?
  20. -1
    16 June 2019 06: 42
    The F-16 and all his brothers, including the Su-35, are just targets for the shooting range! And if you hide in the internal compartments of the F-35 CUDA missiles in the amount of 12 pieces? You google it sobering up!
    1. -2
      16 June 2019 14: 32
      Antipatr, as always true! Keep your tales for yourself, as well as your childhood assumptions.
      Quote: Antipatr
      The F-16 and all his brothers, including the Su-35, are just targets for the shooting range! And if you hide in the internal compartments of the F-35 CUDA missiles in the amount of 12 pieces?

      Teach the materiel if you do not understand what maneuverability and aerodynamics depend on ... And do not write about the non-existent Thomas, if the question is about Yeryoma! About the rest - the grandmother said in two.
  21. -1
    16 June 2019 18: 53
    Quote: SETSET
    Learn materiel if you do not understand what maneuverability and aerodynamics depend on ...

    Kindly, let's teach together:
    Proceedings of the Moscow Aviation Institute # 89
    Popov S.A., Goncharenko Yu.A. "Mathematical model of the influence of the flow state on the aerodynamic characteristics of a maneuverable aircraft".
    The conclusion of the authors can be read at the end. It is disappointing for airplanes with external suspensions.
    1. 0
      16 June 2019 19: 37
      Antipatr, you don’t need to write fairy tales and hide behind the work of the Moscow Aviation Institute, without knowing anything - on which maneuverability and aerodynamics depend ...
  22. -1
    16 June 2019 21: 37
    Quote: SETSET
    no need to write fairy tales

    Nobody writes fairy tales. You simply don’t seem to want to learn and understand that in addition to the thrust-weight ratio, the specific wing load and the advanced wing mechanization and / or the presence of high-voltage gear, there is a concept of the field of applicability of maneuvers, especially at large angles of attack. The possibility of using some maneuvers is clearly affected by the nature of the flow around the air flow of the aerodynamic surfaces of the aircraft. And this character is directly influenced by external pendants. The guys from TsAGI did a great job. We created a solid model on Solid Works software, calculated the flow around different angles of attack on Ansys Fluent software, determined the values ​​of flow separation zones, their asymmetry. Published work in the periodical MAI.
    But you consider all storytellers and do not want to study. In no way.
    1. -2
      17 June 2019 17: 30
      Antipatr, you need to learn this, and not to deliberately write lies on the VO website, rewriting materials from the Internet, completely without specificity as applied to the F-35. Do not disgrace!
      Storytellers I consider such "illiterate" as you, voyaka uh and others, deliberately spitting on the equipment and designers of Russia - writing lies, not knowing the topic.
      And thrust-weight ratio is one of the important parameters, learn the materiel! Regarding maneuvers at large angles of attack, we read on the Internet about the tests of the F-35 with the F-16 in air battles and immediately continue to write lies, knowingly hiding that the speed of the F-35 drops sharply ...

      "Dead meat"
      The ambitious plans to move NATO aviation to the F-35 were overshadowed in the summer of 2015, when reputable war reporter David Aix posted excerpts from an unnamed pilot's report on the F-35's flaws on its War is Boring website.
      Summarizing the opinion of the tester, Ex called the F-35 a dead aircraft (“dead meat” - literally “corpse”), extremely vulnerable in close combat.
      In a document labeled "for official use only," the pilot wrote that in situations of close air combat the F-35 is experiencing critical lack of maneuverability: he cannot turn and climb fast enough to dodge enemy fire.

      The training flight, in which the author of the report took part, imitated a fight at an altitude of 3 to 9 km of the F-35 with a fourth-generation fighter - in its role in the exercises was the F-16, close in characteristics to the Russian MiG-29.

      During the exercises, the F-16 was weighted with additional outboard fuel tanks, but even this “handicap” did not help the insufficiently maneuverable F-35. As the author of the report emphasized, Lightning II has an insufficient rate of change in pitch.

      In addition, the F-16 pilot managed to evade firing the F-35 from a 25 mm gun.
      READ MORE:
      The United States showed the appearance of a strategic bomber of the future
      The tester found one way to effectively conduct an attack at close range - namely, with a large angle of attack, perform energetic turns left and right to get an opportunity for a convenient launch of a rocket. However, this method also showed a significant minus - the plane quickly loses speed, and the pilot is forced to retire.
      The aviator also noted that the cabin of the F-35 Lightning II is not spacious enough to comfortably turn its head in different directions in a bulky helmet. “The helmet was too large for the space in the cockpit light to have adequate visibility behind the aircraft,” the pilot wrote. This flaw allows the F-16 to sneak up on a fighter unnoticed.
      As the author of the document concluded, in the melee mode the F-35 is significantly inferior to both the F-16, taken into service in the 1970s, and the F-1980E developed in the mid-15s.





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  23. 0
    18 June 2019 02: 18
    Quote: SETSET
    Storytellers I consider such "illiterate" as you, voyaka uh and others, deliberately spitting on the equipment and designers of Russia - writing lies, not knowing the topic.

    Proofs to the studio! Where and when did I spit? Chatterbox.
    Quote: SETSET
    And thrust-weight ratio is one of the important parameters, learn the materiel!

    Where did I argue that thrust-to-weight ratio is not an important parameter? Twice Chatterbox.

    And now attention here, about the air battles between the F-35 and F-16.
    In March 2013, U.S. Air Force test pilots flying an F-35 with pre-operational (pre-release) software that did not use the AAQ-37 All-Angle Infrared Station (DAS) noted a lack of cockpit visibility during assessment flights. - why they could be conditionally shot down in close combat. A certain defense spending analyst (probably a good accountant, but no expert on aircraft) named Winslow Wheeler, based on this, came to the conclusion in his report that the F-35A "has shortcomings beyond good."
    In response, program manager Chris Bogdan suggested that pilots worried about the possibility of being shot down should fly cargo aircraft instead.
    This is how newspaper sensations are made, which are then joyfully picked up and replicated by such haters as you. The reality is this: in 2017, in the framework of the Red Flag exercises 17-01, fifth-generation F-35 fighters defeated enemy simulated F-16 aircraft with a score of 15 to 1. This result is primarily due to stealth.
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      18 June 2019 03: 39
      Antipatr, no need to dodge and lie! This is you an illiterate chatterbox who spit on military equipment and designers of Russia, but he himself does not know its parameters! Read carefully your illiterate comments about the maneuverability and aerodynamics of the under-plane F-35. Its maneuverability and aerodynamics are sacrificed to stealth ...
      Write nonsense, not knowing radar at all, carefully read your opus when talking to me.
      Quote: Antipatr
      The F-16 and all his brothers, including the Su-35, are just targets for the shooting range! And if you hide in the internal compartments of the F-35 CUDA missiles in the amount of 12 pieces?

      Your next lie. CUDA missiles for close air combat, and even more so, are still under development, and also do not pose a big threat to the Su-35S, which will detect the F-35 at a distance of D = 225 km and destroy the R-37M rocket until it reaches the launch line at a range D = 180 km of its long-range missile AIM-120 ... learn the materiel!
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    21 June 2019 01: 53
    Quote: SETSET
    CUDA missiles for close air combat

    SETSET, you do not hysteria, you smoke the Internet. CUDA will have the same launch range as AMRAAM. Yes, they are smaller. But due to what? Due to the concept of hit-to-kill (direct hit). This allows you to abandon the explosive charge and increase the fuel supply. Fuel is also improving. Therefore, in the internal compartments of the F-35 they interfere not with 4 but 12 pieces. Further. Do you think you discovered 225 km and then launched a rocket? No dear, here you are illiterate. In order to launch a B-V missile with some hope of success, not only the target detection of the aircraft’s onboard radar must occur, but also the target’s capture of the missile’s seeker. Do you think this will happen simultaneously with the detection of the target? I will disappoint you. I refer you to the article by Sergey Yuferev on this resource from November 10, 2017:
    https://topwar.ru/129275-raketa-vozduh-vozduh-bolshoy-dalnosti-k-37-r-37-rvv-bd.html
    Quote:
    “It is clear that the effective firing range of such a missile against fighter-class targets is significantly lower than the declared maximum values, but in any case, it significantly exceeds the range of the medium-range air-to-air missiles that exist today. missiles RVV-BD targets with an effective reflecting surface of 5 m2 is estimated at 40 km. "
    5 sq.m Karl! And what about 0,1 square meters, what is the F-35 (or maybe less)? 5 km, 3 km, maybe less?
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      23 June 2019 03: 02
      Antipatr, leave your tales to yourself, storyteller. Completely illiterate! You hysteria! At first CUDA missiles are not in service with the US Army - they are only being designed ... and no one knows what they will be like. Secondly these are short-range missiles - read the data on the Internet carefully and their range will be much less than AMRAAM medium-range missiles. Thirdly deliberately do not write nonsense about the detection range and my expression: "Equal to D = 225 km and further will be destroyed", I did not announce the target acquisition range. For people like you:
      GSN 9B-1103M-350 operating modes: fully autonomous (active) mode for preliminary target designation without radar support in flight ("let-forget" mode),
      Source: https://testpilot.ru/rossiya/vympel/r-37m/ Testers © www.testpilot.ru

      Fourthly EOP F-35 is 0,3 - 0,4 square meters, tales of 0,1 square meters. keep your meter. For people like you:
      Capture of a low-maneuverable target of the F-35 type with a thrust ratio of 0,8 and an image intensifier = 0,3 sq. meter will happen at a distance of D = 19,8 km and it will be destroyed ...

      Learn radar and do not write nonsense, and also learn to count, an illiterate storyteller!
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    21 June 2019 02: 19
    The R-37 is an excellent rocket. Against C-130 Hercules, C-17 Globmaster, C-5 Galaxy, Boeing 777 (MH17). Against CD, theoretically, too, but there is no 5 square meters of EPR, and the new ones have "stealth" technology. In addition, CD strikes are always sudden. What, R-37 carriers should be on duty around the clock in all missile-hazardous directions?
    I do not even consider AWACS, for a simple reason. Has anyone seen a wolf in wildlife? That's just it - wolf sensors are better than human ones, he will be the first to see people and ....
    And he will direct the F-22 squadron and 3 F-35 squadrons on them.
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      23 June 2019 03: 50
      Antipatr, as always an illiterate lie regarding Russian technology ... For people like you:
      Invisible aircraft in nature does not exist. The R-37M missile easily destroys stealth targets such as the F-22 and F-35 aircraft at a launch range of at least 300 km.

      Quote: Antipatr
      In addition, the blows of the Kyrgyz Republic are always sudden. What carriers R-37 should be on duty around the clock in all missile-hazardous areas?

      Illiterate babbling! To protect against CD, there are air defense systems in the form of air defense systems such as S-300V4, S-400, Buk-M3, Pantsir-C2, Tor-M2 and so on, which can easily destroy CDs, stealth targets, E-3A "Sentry" and others a wide range of targets ... Therefore, no one will direct the F-22 and F-35, which themselves will be shot down together with the E-3 type AWACS in the event of hostilities.
      Teach materiel!
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        24 June 2019 16: 05
        Eh SETSET, SETSET. Your lips and honey to drink.