In Stavropol formed squadron "Supergrache"

A new Su-25CM3 Supergrav attack aircraft arrived in the Southern Military District. In order to get into operation a new squadron, he overcame more than 800 km.

The latest Su-25SM3 replenished assault ranks aviation 4th Army Air Force and Air Defense. “Supergrach” - the so-called new version of the legendary attack aircraft - overcame more than 8 hundred kilometers, arriving in the Stavropol Territory directly from the manufacturer.

The arrival of the attack aircraft completed the formation of a new squadron consisting of aircraft of the same type. The air force 4 Army in May received three similar vehicles in May.

At the moment, the regiment's engineering and technical services are conducting an aircraft readiness check, testing the Su-25CM3 units and mechanisms in various modes.

Supergrach is a new version of the armored subsonic attack aircraft. The Su-25M3 modification is equipped with the GLONASS satellite navigation system, which allows you to program the end point of the aiming and navigation system SVP-24-25 with an accuracy of 10 m. Due to this modernization, unmanaged aerial projectiles gain accuracy close to the accuracy of the guided munitions.

Su-25M3 is an all-weather machine for round-the-clock use, it is capable of destroying small ground and air targets. According to the TASS, the combat effectiveness of the machine has increased three times compared with previous versions.

Comments

[777-3-59-97]

"Supergrach"

Not an imitation of USArmy at all

[NEXUS]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

Not at all imitation of USArmy

What are you talking about? Analogy with Super Hornet? The super prefix explains that this attack aircraft has been upgraded, improved, and no one is going to write it off yet. Also, according to your strange analogy, is the Super Gorshkov ship an imitation too?

[777-3-59-97]

The super prefix explains that this attack aircraft has been upgraded, improved, and no one is going to write it off yet.

I know what the "super" prefix explains.
The funny thing is that "super" is a primordially American word. Can you give at least one example of Soviet Super-technology?

[NEXUS]

Quote: 777-3-59-97

The funny thing is that "super" is a primordially American word.

Are you seriously saying that now? There is no "Super" prefix in Russian?

[maximum 8]

It is necessary to immediately hang on it X-35U, in order to control someone. And the fact that it is not a day is a new article about the mythical Neptune on the site.

[210ox]

Interestingly, 800 kilometers from the factory .. They seem to have done in Ulan-Ude ... It is clear that these planes will be upgrades, not from scratch, but still.

[New Year day]

Quote: 210ox

.It seems to have done in Ulan-Ude.

If I'm not mistaken, the modernization was in Kubinka (Moscow region)

[kapitan92]

Quote: 210ox

Interestingly, 800 kilometers from the factory .. They seem to have done in Ulan-Ude ... It is clear that these planes will be upgrades, not from scratch, but still.

The photo in the article SU 25 UB.

SU 25 СМ3 in the photo. The author of the article is extremely inattentive.

[priboy57]

They are made (modernized) in Voronezh.

[aws4]

Do not muddle the water and do not intercede for those kuguts and lapotnikov and just flawed personalities who gave such a name - super rook .. if you state that state the facts and do not dodge .. 1 there is no such word in Russian 2 there is no such prefix as super in Russian 3 in this case, the super appeared in the dictionaries under the term foreign language prefix .. further more in colloquial speech the same kuguts and lapotnik began to use this prefix several decades ago and less than 100 years ago in literature .. from the foregoing people He told you directly that this word is not ours but you decided to dodge, but even here you were deceived and did not mention that the prefix passes as a foreign language ... the word super has not yet entered our great and rich Russian language like many other foreign words and very well and I hope that it will not come in because it is this ugly word that doesn’t enrich our language, unlike other words .. the word super is a parasite, one of the words that leads to the degradation of the Russian language, since this one ugly word will be defective replace There are already many great words replacing the magnificent, wonderful, extraordinary, best, drop dead in the end, etc.)))) according to the damage, you cannot explain that in fact it is just a foreign language prefix in translation meaning - beyond .. damages endow this word with magic meanings .. and if it goes on like this, you will not only stop singing your folk songs and dance your folk dances (which has already happened), but also lose the last things left to the Russian people for its awesome, extraordinary and greatest language ... conclusion - who gave this prefix to our beloved rook it is necessary to sew up a mouth for a month at least ..

[Serg65]

Quote: aws4

do not muddy water

In your opus, I see two foreign words just vskidku - parasite FACT and TERM, and who should now sew up your mouth?

[aws4]

read carefully what people write ... very carefully .. copying a passage from my coma - (the word super has not yet entered our great and rich Russian language like many other foreign words and it’s very good that it has not been included, and I hope that it will not be included because it’s this ugly word that’s not how it will enrich our language, unlike other words.) Explain to you or do you comprehend what is written and understand?)))))))))))))))))

[Serg65]

Quote: aws4

explain to you or do you comprehend what is written and understand?

But where are we to the collective farmers? A quarter of the words in the Russian language are of foreign origin, by the way, like your name and what? Did the Russian language die from this?

[aws4]

once again - unlike other words ... I’ll chew well and put it in my mouth - as you said in Russian there are a lot of foreign words that only enriched it but this word is super-parasite !!!!! and this word does not lead to the enrichment of the Russian language but leads to its simplification and degradation - is that more clear?

[kig]

Apparently, you are an ardent advocate of native Russian speech. What did you forget about grammar? Or do you think that punctuation marks came to us from abroad?

[aws4]

Apparently I’m not interested and it’s not a fact, but your speculations and assumptions .. the fact is that 1 I am not Russian by nationality and I can make a mistake for the grammar .. I will say more I write with gross errors .. it follows the second fact - Russian is not my native language !!!

[kig]

Then you should not impose your opinion on the features of a language that is not native to you. It's not polite. Least.

[aws4]

I don’t need to tell me what is worth and what is not worth it .. I grew up among Russians and I love this people and it hurts me to see what is happening .. so I have the right to say my opinion ...

[kupitman]

want a joke? the word hero is also not Russian, and only a computer, monitor, scanner ...
let's not fool around, now you can delve into marine terms, so you won’t find Russian words there - grottmtch, fokmacht, etc.

[aws4]

keep up the good work!!!! a computer, monitor, scanner are not words vermin .. you really don’t understand what I mean?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: 777-3-59-97

The funny thing is that "super" is a primordially American word.

Are you seriously saying that now? There is no "Super" prefix in Russian?

What is there?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vol4ara

What is there?

Well, do we write ... or is it not present at all in the Russian language?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Vol4ara

What is there?

Well, do we write ... or is it not present at all in the Russian language?

Then it turns out that the word NEXUS is also there, a typical Russian word. Open the Dahl dictionary the other day, it will be useful

[kupitman]

in the Dahl dictionary there is no word calculator, scanner, printer ....

[Vol4ara]

Quote: kupitman

in the Dahl dictionary there is no word calculator, scanner, printer ....

Mb because these are not Russian words, but borrowings?

[kupitman]

Exactly, then why to dig to "super"? Borrowing and?

[aws4]

because empty-headed youth, and as it turns out, not only young people insert the word prefix where necessary and not necessary, although there are a large number of Russian words that could be used .. thereby you can come to the vocabulary of Elochka the cannibal .. now it may seem funny but 200 years ago it would also have seemed funny if someone had said that time would pass and the Russians would stop singing folk songs, dancing folk dances and observing traditions .. alas, this happened to the Russian people ..

[kig]

Quote: aws4

there are a large number of Russian words that could be used

Well, tell me which one, in your opinion, is most suitable.

[aws4]

in this particular case, no word or prefix is ​​needed .. or are you so deaf villagers that you need to insert a fashionable word? smacks of complexes

[kig]

Sorry (I'll risk again disturbing your feelings with foreign language), but you yourself were outraged by the use of the prefix "super" .... or this

Quote: aws4

1 there is no such word in Russian 2 there is no such prefix as super in Russian

not your words? So advise replacement as an expert.

[aws4]

a replacement for what? what are you talking about? do you really think what you're saying now? or are we speaking different languages ​​now? if you mean a replacement in this particular case, then I will repeat it again - in this particular case there shouldn’t be a replacement; there should be a complete absence of a prefix, since it smells like a kugutny and a redneck ... so more clear ?????? in other cases, you can apply a lot of other words .. superman - over a man or over a man .. etc.

[kig]

By the way, you are not the first one who fights for the purity of the Russian language. Immediately after the revolution, comrades, proletarian writers and poets, and not only them, categorically demanded to replace foreign words and expressions with domestic ones, expressing the same actions and intentions. For example, instead of "waiter" one should say "saucer", not "barometer" but "petrel" (this is all right). And think of, for example, a replacement for a "single-seat deputy" ... Speaking of the deputies. I would advise you to contact the deputy V.V. Milonov. He is very worried about moral values, but it seems that he has not yet covered the topic of the primacy of the Russian language.

[aws4]

I repeat once again read carefully ... you have either black or white, two extremes usually speak of narrow thinking

[kig]

Well, you are just like Zhvanetsky, in his "Style of dispute". What do you read carefully? The general idea is clear: the mighty Russian language is great. Language, by the way, is a very flexible and at the same time elastic substance (it was a metaphor), and will wonderfully cope with unwanted words. Gorbachev, quite recently, constantly repeated "pluralism", followed by newspapers and orators. And where is it now? It didn't take root. Other examples can be found.

But actually we deviated from the topic, they are discussing something completely different here. If you care about the fate of the Russian language, it is better to find a suitable specialized forum.

[aws4]

let the last word be yours superkig)))

[kig]

that’s what doesn’t worry, that’s the last word. Unless, of course, this is the last word before the verdict And you stop pretending, "I write with errors" In addition to the absence of punctuation marks, everything is in order. You even know who the kuguts are

[Glucky73]

Tsar Cannon will suit you?

[silver_roman]

just imitation. It is obvious. it's just a silly word "super". but the fact that it has already been modernized many times, says the prefix cm3.

[YOUR]

Not an official name. Super Rook journalists appropriated.

[aws4]

Here are the journalists on trial !!!! sentence to sew up the mouth with a medical thread for a month, water it through a tube, if there is a relapse, re-sew up the mouth but with a dirty sock removed from the homeless)))))))))))))

[Serg65]

Yes, you are my friend, a sadist just what it is !!!!

[aws4]

Yes, maybe a sadist, but unlike you, I try not just to run through the text but to understand what exactly a person means)))))))))))))))

[Serg65]

Quote: aws4

unlike you, I try not only to run through the text but to understand what exactly the person means

Really? I just see attempts to identify myself as a fighter, no matter what!

[aws4]

Yes, I somehow do not care what you see specifically YOU are not able to understand the meaning of what is written .. and why are you laughing? someone told a joke or you are one of those about whom they say - show him a finger, he laughs

[seregin-s1]

The name of the Su-25CM3. "Supergrach" is the author's nonsense.

[Archon]

ultragrach, megagrach, kilograch, rookish ... bird names ran out

[aws4]

suetmegaturbograch)))))))))))))))))))

[Archon]

you look into the future, 2050 year

[aws4]

Thanks, I'm trying to convey this)))))))

[smart ass]

give for vks rf superrach drone! AND

[loki565]

Super attack aircraft has long been time to change the drone drone. And they all hope to fight with the enemy of NURS, maybe they can go with the Papuans and that is not a fact.

[NEXUS]

Quote: loki565

Super attack aircraft is long overdue to change to drone drone

Rook is a fighter directly over the battlefield. While it is not possible to replace it with UAVs. And not the fact that the Rook will be more expensive than the new drone UAV. Besides, where do you propose to put the Rooks Park? To write off and leave our VKS without attack aircraft? Look in Syria ... how many departures do the Rooks, and how many for example SU-34. By the number of sorties, only helicopter pilots have more.

[loki565]

Where do you offer the Rooks Park?

There also where the USAF Delhi 10A Thunderbolt. Who else left the attack aircraft ??? In the presence of MANPADS, there will be losses, in the presence of even weak air defense, the losses will be very large, 08.08.08 clearly showed this. And if the trap countries invest in new weapons, which alienates the distance of their use, such as planning bombs. We also develop (NAR) "Armor".

[NEXUS]

Quote: loki565

There also where the USAF Delhi 10A Thunderbolt.

Dear, the attack aircraft were only here and in mattresses. And I do not think that in the coming years 10 Rooks will write off.

Quote: loki565

In the presence of MANPADS there will be losses

MANPADS can shoot down not only Rook, but also a helicopter. Do you suggest that the helicopters be written off as a fuck?

Quote: loki565

in the presence of even weak air defense losses will be very large,

To do this, first the air defense is crushed, and then rooks, alligators and hunters are launched into the sandbox.

Quote: loki565

And if the trap countries invest in new weapons, which alienates the distance of their use, such as planning bombs.

Well, we have a Drill and what?

[loki565]

The issue of lack of money.

Dear, the attack aircraft were only here and in mattresses. And I do not think that in the coming years 10 Rooks will write off.

And they remained only with the CIS countries and the third world countries))) Let's buy another Super Tucano, the very thing against terrorists

MANPADS can shoot down not only Rook, but also a helicopter. Do you suggest that the helicopters be written off as a fuck?

do not distort, there is a question of application, as a last resort, helicopters can fly even lower in order not to fall under the fire of MANPADS, as ours do in Syria

To do this, first the air defense is crushed, and then rooks, alligators and hunters are launched into the sandbox.

it's in pink dreams, but in fact it's a great example of 08.08.08
if you really can not wait to fly over the heads of the enemy, for this there are drone drone even if the pilot is shot down will not suffer

[Yarhann]

you are a nice person, you are interfering in a heap for solving the tasks of direct support of infantry on the battlefield; there are only attack aircraft and attack helicopters. they are used only in the case of obtaining superiority in the air or the suppression of enemy air defenses. to protect against MANPADS ZuShek and other small arms, they have a reservation and means of jamming. It is precisely because these means of attack are created for the battlefield and they have such protection - which successfully saves them both from MANPADS and various small arms.
The Americans successfully use the A10 so far, precisely because the UAVs are inefficient and expensive to operate, they do not know how to use anything except the WTO, and the infantry needs strong air support and the A10 cannon provides this with RS and CAB.
And to throw the WTO, there are the usual bombers and MFIs, a lot of mind does not need to throw the WTO - only all this is expensive when cutting out NBF and mn condolences.
The UAV will not solve anything either - because the assault UAV will still be included in direct fire contact and will still get under fire from the zushkas, the DShK and the MANPADS.
Therefore, А10 and sou25 will be still in service for a long time, there is no alternative to them.
And you should not write nonsense about increasing the distance and TP - ask about the use of the WTO by the Soviet Air Force from the Afghan war to the Syrian company, this is all there and everything is applied and applied.

[loki565]

Well, yes, the United States changed their minds to write off A 10 as well as intelligence officer U2)))

It is precisely because these means of attack are created for the battlefield, and they have such protection - which successfully saves them from both MANPADS and various small arms.

The X25 has no protection from MANPADS and it never has been, they created it when they only heard about MANPADS ... By the way, the first X25 was shot down in Afghanistan from MANPADS. What are now Vitebsk complexes on Su25CM3; they only reduce the likelihood of MANPADS getting into, but do not guarantee 100% protection.

The UAV will not solve anything either - because the assault UAV will still be included in direct fire contact and will still get under fire from the zushkas, the DShK and the MANPADS.

Yes it is, but the pilot will remain alive and this is the main advantage of the UAV which outweighs all its minuses.
One thing Israel can’t refuse, is its concern for its soldiers, and we should take an example from it.

[NEXUS]

Quote: loki565

Bullshit from MANPADS at Su25 protection is not and never was

What kind of protection from MANPADS? From Stinger? So long ago, there are heat traps everywhere ... there is also an electronic warfare system, and no one has canceled maneuvering. Well and so, EVERYTHING from Kukuruznik gets off and to B-2 Spirit.
Rook by the way, a very tenacious car, and not only because he has two dviguna. It is as simple as a Kalashnikov assault rifle, and on the battlefield, it can only be a competition for helicopters. By the way, although Warthog is also an attack aircraft, but booking it is worse than that of our Rook. There and the concept of construction was slightly different ... Warthog was built around a gun. And we needed a robust, armored flying BMP.

[loki565]

What kind of protection from MANPADS? From Stinger? So long ago, there are heat traps everywhere ..

So what??? heat traps only reduce the likelihood of hitting, and now MANPADS have target selection and IR GOS already distinguish traps from engines.

there is also an electronic warfare system

decipher the abbreviation EW and tell me how it helps from the IC GOS ???)))

B-2 Spirit.

do not interfere with everything in a bunch, he was not shot down by MANPADS, and so fly above 6 and no MANPADS will take you, but it is advisable not to enter the air defense zone at all, take the example of Israel, they manage without attack aircraft, although they are constantly terrorists they are fighting and their life as a pilot (soldier) comes first.

[Town Hall]

Quote: NEXUS

Warthog was built around a cannon. And we needed a robust, armored flying BMP.

In terms of infantry to transport? ... Your masterpieces are always interesting to read

[NEXUS]

Quote: Town Hall

In terms of infantry to transport? ... Your masterpieces are always interesting to read

In the sense that it is not publicly called. Your masterpieces are so much so-light, throw a grenade ..
So, when the IL-2 was called a "flying tank", according to your logic, an 85 mm cannon had to stick out of the lantern?

[Town Hall]

The meaning of calling an armored plane as a flying tank I can still understand .. but the point is to call the plane BMP-eludes me ...

[aws4]

yes komu and what do you explain? you see it is not being punched .. some countries are armed and continue to buy modern screw non-armored attack aircraft that can easily be shot down from the three lines, and he is offering to write off a vehicle of this class that only armored attack aircraft created in the USSR and the USA .. then let's all tanks we will cut as any of them can be burned with a grenade launcher))))))))))))

[loki565]

yes komu and what do you explain? you see it is not being punched .. some countries are armed and continue to buy modern non-armored ground attack screw guns

Do you compare yourself with a third world country ???))) Only these planes have them ...

then let us cut all the tanks as any of them can be burned with a grenade launcher))))))))))))

put an active defense and will not burn, so the us in the last modernization of Abrams did so. In short, learn materiel)))

[aws4]

tear yourself away from the toys in your computer and go trash the tarpaulin ... and it’s not me that’s ridiculous but your ava))))) did the United States do this and how many of the entire fleet of tanks have active protection? and what other countries put active protection on their tanks besides Israel? learn mate part

[loki565]

You lagged behind life and the campaign for a long time)))
The Israeli active defense complex was installed on 56 Abrams tanks. The second phase is scheduled for 2019. Trophy systems will be installed on another 205 American tanks. In total, the program is designed to upgrade 261 main battle tanks of the US Armed Forces through the introduction of the Active Protection Rafael (APS) system - Trophy.
German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmenn announces joint tests with Rafael Advanced Defense Systems of the Trophy system on the Leopard 2 tank

[aws4]

Yes, I lagged behind life in the USA, out of thousands of tanks already installed already on 56 tanks .. oh go and still plan on 205 th ... how I fell behind ...

[Yarhann]

funny))) shooting LTC on su25 is this is his defense, just like the armor, it does not guarantee that the plane will not be shot down. in general, airplanes and helicopters have no guaranteed means of protection against any air defense weapons.
Mil, a pilot is, relatively speaking, worth several hundred thousand bucks - that is, the money spent by the MoD on his training + the cost of insurance in the event of death. Everything else is kindergarten lyrics. Everything is measured by money in MO well, and shkolota can measure anything. The plane is much more expensive than the pilot, I'm not talking about modern MFIs. There, the cost of the pilot is negligible compared to the aircraft.
Once again, for those who are in the tank, the shock guard and attack aircraft are the means of direct support on the battlefield - because they have powerful small arms (aircraft gun), RS, FAB, CAB, and already at the end of the list of UR. UR was used even in the Afghan war if I am not mistaken about the 24s, but they were not used on the battlefield, against bearded men and so on.
And you don’t worry so much about assault aviation pilots - they have such work, sometimes they die. You better worry about the cops of operatives - how many they die per day throughout the Russian Federation and this is why you are not interested. And then one pilot was slapped in two years of a military company, the loss of losses was straightforward. And this is the only loss VKS from enemy fire in the Syrian company.

[loki565]

Too lazy to rewrite the same thing ...

What kind of protection from MANPADS? From Stinger? So long ago, there are heat traps everywhere ..

So what??? heat traps only reduce the likelihood of hitting, and now MANPADS have target selection and IR GOS already distinguish traps from engines.
and fly higher than 6 and not one MANPADS will take you, and preferably not to enter the air defense zone at all, take an example from Israel, they somehow manage to do without attack aircraft, although they constantly fight terrorists and they have the life of a pilot (soldier) first place

[Yarhann]

Jews are bombing civilian objects if you are for these heroic bombings - they recently bombed the alleged haze of the gas sector))) such heroic bombings can be done even with an2.
And most importantly, ask about the heroic operation of the Jews. Indestructible force - the stupid bombardment of the gas sector that killed about 2 to the local population in the vast majority of the peaceful population. Moreover, ask about the operation Cast Lead, where yuzali 16 and Apaches were used - they killed around 1300 people, most of them are naturally peaceful. There were no casualties among aircraft at all - simply because there is nothing to shoot down)
This is how heroic the Israeli Air Force is - to arrange for carpet bombing, especially for an adversary who cannot answer a tricky business.
So, before you write the praises of the Israeli Air Force, take an interest in their success in the destruction of the civilian population.

[loki565]

I am interested in the loss of the Israeli Air Force ???

[Yarhann]

and what could be the loss if the enemy does not have weapons to fight LA)) is ridiculous.

[loki565]

this adversary is no different from the Syrian barmalei. teach materiel))))

[Yuri Thunder]

this adversary is no different from the Syrian barmalei. teach materiel))))

Oh, no. Barmalei in the SAR a lot of buns (MANPADS and ZAU) deliver lovely to your heart Israel, the US and Turkey, and in Gaza the situation is the opposite.

[loki565]

Yeah, and when they bombed Syria, there is also no air defense there ???)))

[Yuri Thunder]

Yeah, and when they bombed Syria, there is also no air defense there ???)))

There is, but weak, in addition, representatives from the Russian oligarchy, carefully monitor that the "innocent" Israeli planes did not suffer.

[loki565]

Well, of course, this is demagoguery. This is not about Israel, but about the fact that the attack aircraft is outdated as a class of aviation and here either use attack aircraft, and risk pilots, or use shock drone, and risk only with iron.

[Yuri Thunder]

and then either use attack aircraft, and risk pilots, or use shock drone, and risk only iron.

To use attack aircraft and risk pilots is a war, not a shooter on a computer. For when a serious enemy begins and an adequate enemy comes, then the WARRIORS will meet him, not the players on the computer.

[loki565]

It's not about shooting games, but about the concept of using aviation, how many planes the United States lost in Afghanistan ???, in Iraq ??? in Yugoslavia ??? And how much did we lose in 5 days of the war 08.08.08 ??? "Warriors" and "cannon fodder" are different things ...

[Nastia makarova]

wrote the same above a hundred aircraft has great value

[loki565]

And then one pilot was slapped in two years of a military company, the loss of losses was straightforward. And this is the only loss VKS from enemy fire in the Syrian company ..

uh well, at least you would look at Wikipedia, and then write something like that ...
a couple of rollers offhand.

[SETSET]

loki565, Israeli aviation losses will increase many times, with the use of modern air defense systems, such as the S-300V4 and S-400, Buk-M3 and others, and the use of new Russian Su-35S fighters will cause irreparable damage to Israeli aviation and the F-35 will not help - they will "lie down" in the same place. Tactics - fired from Lebanese airspace and hid in the folds of mountainous terrain, will fail ... It's a pity that Syria does not have all this weapons. Learn materiel, strategist.

[loki565]

What does Israel ???? ????))) The point is that the attack aircraft is outdated as a class of aviation, and what losses will the X25 have when using modern air defense systems ???

[Igor Aviator]

Quote: Yarhann

Mil, a pilot is, relatively speaking, worth several hundred thousand bucks - that is, the money spent by the MoD on his training + the cost of insurance in the event of death. Everything else is kindergarten lyrics. Everything is measured by money in MO well, and shkolota can measure anything. The plane is much more expensive than the pilot, I'm not talking about modern MFIs. There, the cost of the pilot is negligible compared to the aircraft.

Nice man, judging by your statements, you have the same attitude to aviation as an enema to a Mercedes. Let it be known to you, pilot training is MUCH more expensive than the coolest aircraft (how long does it take to make an aircraft? 4-7 months maximum. And to train a good pilot, category captain-major (senior pilot) - 4 years of college + 1 year in Lipetsk + MINIMUM 4-6 years of training in a unit with a flight time of at least 200-300 hours of PMU + 100-200 hours of SMU.First, not everyone will be taken to the flight school - on average, 2 people out of 10 who have passed the HONEY SELECTION enter, where 12-16 out of 20 candidates - simple civilian pedestrians are eliminated.Then - only 1 hour of flight (just a MiG-23 aircraft - a piece of iron fueled with kerosene (excluding the cost of maintaining the airfield infrastructure and service personnel salaries and other costs) cost $ 60000 years of my youth.So add up the content, training (and the pilot is also trained by pilots, only of an even higher class!), medical care, the cost of maintaining equipment, infrastructure and multiply it by 4, for accounting and the possible number of pilots graduated from the school and related costs. The most expensive "detail" of the aviation complex (and not "just an airplane", as civilian laypeople-pedestrians believe) is the FLYER.

[Igor Aviator]

Quote: Igor Aviator

with a touch of at least 200-300 PMU hours + 100-200 SMU hours.

Little popraochka - I mean the ANNUAL plaque - just that is what is required to bring up a GOOD pilot!

[Yarhann]

I found the American prices)) so purely the cost of training the pilot of the basic qualification for the F-16 fighter is about 5,6 million dollars, for the F-35A fighter - 10,17 million dollars, and for the F-22 fighter - 10,9 million dollars. A-10 is About 5,96 B-2 Spirit 9,89 million dollars.
And these are American prices - where people work and serve not for food and dormitory.
So they say the pilot is more expensive than the plane)) was during the Second World War

[Yarhann]

oh obviously special)) hour of flight instant 23 60000 (may still be a tree and not bucks) thank you can not continue further) it is even more than the cost of the flight Ф35)) I don’t say anything about 16.
and it is necessary to measure the training of pilots not over the years, but I don’t care about how many years he wipes his pants in the schoolroom.
And yes, if you summarize everything as you have written here, then the cost of the planes should also take into account the entire development program) see how many hundreds of billions were spent on the 35 program, your pilots are more expensive))) you are funny.

[aws4]

loki565 tell me at least one of the most modern and protected tank that 100% can withstand getting into any projection of an old and three-wheeled rpg7 which was blinded half a century ago)))))))))))))) your thinking and knowledge is so narrow that your logic, and all the tanks on the metal cut

[loki565]

Give me at least one of the most modern and protected tank that 100% can withstand from falling into any projection of an old and three-kopeck RPG7

Any tank with active protection such as the arena, tofi and so on. Well, on a vyxidka T90 and Armata - with the arena, Merkava and Abrams - with the trophy

your thinking and knowledge is so narrow

Yes, this is your thinking and knowledge are very limited, learn materiel)))

[mvg]

At first, the air defenses are crushed,

To suppress MANPADS and Arrows-10 they use, as I understand, axes and stealth, if it does not help, then they press B-52. Well, how else?

[NEXUS]

Quote: mvg

On the suppression of MANPADS and Arrows-10 use, as I understand it, axes and stealth

Here explain to me how an ax crushed MANPADS and Arrow-10? MANPADS is a portable anti-aircraft missile system. It means there is a soldier with Verba, and in his head an ax with a CU of half a ton flies to the head ... are you serious?

[mvg]

ax comes flying with half a ton in the warhead ... are you serious?

Apsalyutno ... And what are you offering? Sea Coicoff? Well, Arrow should be taken to the crew commander's gadget and put pressure on the patluk .. Helfiers or there by Delilah. Looking in what area, this individual lives.

[Yarhann]

to suppress MANPADS they simply interfere with shit everyone did our VKS, so did the Americans during the storming of Mosul - everything is just mixed up in everything that is - preferably larger than the caliber and that's all. KR is not a bullet just like that, it hurts expensive. KR is used either for the destruction of infrastructure facilities, or military facilities or facilities deep in the enemy’s territory, and everything else is perfectly mixed with ordinary iron with shit. Expensive pleasure to level residential buildings in the Kyrgyz Republic.

[mvg]

just interfere with shit so did our VKS

Precisely, we will knead the residential quarter, for the sake of suspicion that Vasya Pupkin, yesterday somewhere on the "black market" bought an Igloo .. Well, or CNN, in the evening news, suggested that Stinger was sold to the militants .. Nafik everyone! Where the bomb fell, there is the terrorist's headquarters.

[maximum 8]

And if the trap countries invest in new weapons, which alienates the distance of their use, such as planning bombs.

Such weapons can use and Su-25CM3. So what's the problem?

[Kenxnumx]

Yes, and what? So far, he has only a conditionally new sight adjusted for glonass. That is, he is the type of point of discharge calculates, but these are the same old bombs, just invited to throw them not on the boot

[maximum 8]

The Su-25SM3 is equipped with a GLONASS module for navigation and the use of precision weapons. At the same time, the pilot can always count on the inertial navigation system, which helps to complete the combat mission even in the absence of a satellite signal. To defend against enemy fighters and air defenses, the aircraft is equipped with the Vitebsk-25 electronic warfare system capable of deceiving even the most cunning missiles. In addition, the Su-25SM3 received modern digital communication facilities operating over secure channels.

https://ria.ru/20180504/1519847766.html

[Kenxnumx]

The Glonass module is the Hephaestus sight, which I just wrote about. The inertial navigation system is probably a good thing, but aiming with it ... of course you can get into something if you're lucky. But Vitebsk is of the type of electronic warfare, but there is an opinion that it does not protect against IK seeker

[loki565]

But Vitebsk is of the EW type, but there is an opinion that it does not protect against IC GOS

Vitebsk was created to detect and suppress missiles with seeker, its export name is the "President S" complex, it does not guarantee only 100% protection, reduces the likelihood of being hit by such missiles.

[Kenxnumx]

I do not insist, but there is a link quite interesting https://cont.ws/@andrei08661/845630

[NEXUS]

Quote: Ken71

Yes, and what? So far, he has only a conditionally new sight adjusted for glonass. That is, he is the type of point of discharge calculates, but these are the same old bombs, just invited to throw them not on the boot

So what? If you take the AK-12 and remove the calimator, flame arrester, plastic butt and revolver handle from it, how will it differ from AK-74?

[Kenxnumx]

It will still be different even in appearance

[NEXUS]

Quote: Ken71

It will still be different even in appearance

I'm not talking about the exterior, but about the functional, dear.

[Kenxnumx]

Yes, nothing. Bullet in the opponent to fix. So if you take the functionality and PPSH come

[NEXUS]

Quote: Ken71

Yes, nothing. Bullet in the opponent to fix. So if you take the functionality and PPSH come

Do not distort, dear ... there is another caliber and a pistol cartridge, that is why PPSH is called the PISTOL-GUN. And Kalashnikov is, according to our classification, automatic, well, according to NATO, an assault automatic rifle with an intermediate cartridge. Do you understand the difference?

[Kenxnumx]

How you hate platitudes. And what else do you tell. Here, in one of the articles, a spit in the software was recorded - with quite an intermediate cartridge. And by the way, you have the functionality of the patron dancing. And the objective function :)))))))

[Yarhann]

X29 still used in afghanistan on xNUMX

[loki565]

Maybe only when our X25 was shot down in Syria, he used the NURS.
the attack drone can cope with the task of the attack aircraft, and most importantly the pilots will survive.

[Yarhann]

The 34 su can easily cope with the task of a drone UAV, while at the same time carrying on board a larger supply of bomb load - the WTO does not need to throw a lot of mind; stand - give birth to new and zombanut. It is conditional to exchange one Maverick (or our analogue) for a dozen of automata and BC, which is prohibitively expensive.

[loki565]

The 34 su can easily cope with the task of a drone UAV, while at the same time carrying on board a larger supply of bomb load - the WTO does not need to throw a lot of mind; stand - give birth to new and zombanut. It is conditional to exchange one Maverick (or our analogue) for a dozen of automata and BC, which is prohibitively expensive.

And pilots, too, give birth to new ??? you have an interesting approach, i.e. risk the lives of the pilots, but cheaply, we will bomb Barmaley NURSami and iron ???

[NEXUS]

Quote: loki565

And pilots, too, give birth to new ??? you have an interesting approach, i.e. risk the lives of the pilots, but cheaply, we will bomb Barmaley NURSami and iron ???

Dear, nobody tells you that drums of UAVs are not needed. But there is one snag, such shock workers still need to be developed, to secure and protect the connection, and to increase the range of this connection itself. Many more problems that need not be solved in a day or two. A hunter is a tactical bomber rather than an assault platform.
To replace Hrach, it is necessary to create something equally reliable, cheap (relatively) and with good thrust-weight. Do you work on such an assault platform in the form of a drone? I am sure that yes. Perhaps in the future, and SU-25 remake a drone.

[Yarhann]

there, the main problem is that the robot itself will control the weapon, because the operator-control unit will make it impossible to use the PC and small arms as a lag in the command line. it is precisely for this reason that American UAVs are used exclusively by the WTO - the rocket’s GOS sets the target, the operator only gives the attack command and the lag no longer plays a role. And when using small arms is a blunder. Therefore, it will not be easy to make a system on board the UAV that recognizes the two legs to fix them as targets and accompany them, and the operator will simply give the attack command.
I think this is the main problem why attack aircraft in the world have not yet been replaced.
And the hunter, yes, it will be a tactical bomber - which will use cast iron and KAB, the main charm is that he will be able to work far from the base without having to pay the pilot a salary and everything else. I see the main emphasis precisely in the cheapness of using it as a bomber - again, it will follow the path of Americans who thought that the UAVs would be cheaper to operate than the 10 attack planes and xNUMX bombers — but it turned out that it was not so.

[Yarhann]

pilots are worth a certain amount of money - why should I feel sorry for them? And against the background of the cost of the 34 su - so the cost of the pilots is generally negligible. Such work in combat aviation pilots sometimes die. And it is better to let snot for operatives, SOBR soldiers, traffic police officers and other security officials — several of them die for a day and the lights do not take the aircraft to a few lards, as Krivorukov’s 34 pilots did during exercises.
I am only interested in the cost of logistics, and the pilots, and you are right to prepare new ones - these are pennies on the background of the cost of modern aviation.
Just count how many pilots you can prepare for the cost of one ProNo 34 su, and then pissed as much as two Bombers ethol in 2008 prices at least two Lard. On this loot I think you can prepare a squadron of pilots.
So nice man - everything in the modern army is measured by grandmothers, well, schoolchildren can measure anything

[NEXUS]

Quote: Yarhann

Just count how many pilots you can prepare for the cost of one Pro Xy 34

At best, a couple of. The state invests millions in training good pilots and don’t rubles.

[Yarhann]

yes yes of course))) that's just every plane in the VKS is worth its weight in gold, and there is no shortage of pilots to prepare pilots at all. There are no combat planes at all. That's the problem.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Yarhann

and pilots do not have a problem of choice in school

Good aces prepare just a problem. Remember the Second World War. Ases was not enough and the course in three months, did the pilots, who died in batches.

[Yarhann]

Well, let's not bear such nonsense, about the Second World War and pilots courses. Let's start at least with the fact that then the industry for the month produced combat aircraft more than it is now in service with the Russian Federation. for the entire period of the war 117 was produced by military aircraft, most of which were lost. I agree then the pilots were worth their weight in gold. Now everything is the other way around - every ship is worth its weight in gold (modern MFIs cannot be built in such quantities and so quickly), and F22 is even more expensive. And the pilot of this Ф22 even by American standards is worth a small part of the cost of MFIs.
That is, the pilot is now nothing - there is time and grandmas for his preparation, and every lost side is a significant loss of combat capability. For example, if we take the conflict in the SO 08, then the VKS then suffered unacceptable losses on such a small scale of the conflict. The total damage from the lost sides was very significant, and the pilots well, how many of them died there - a small loss, a contingent of our peacekeepers was more, more of them died, but as it is, don't give a shit about them all. The main thing is the same peloty. As for me to shit a modern pilot to prepare not a problem, but the plane is worth a mountain of money.

[Yuri Thunder]

And pilots, too, give birth to new ??? you have an interesting approach, i.e. risk the lives of the pilots, but cheaply, we will bomb Barmaley NURSami and iron ???

For an enlightened elf I explain. The armies of normal states are not built on the opposition to the bogeys, but on the opposition to the same armies, which have serious air defense missile systems and aviation and PTRK. So the direction - to destroy more, for less money, will always be relevant and the life of the pilot, also included in this alignment.

[Gray brother]

Quote: loki565

There also where the USAF Delhi 10A Thunderbolt.

And now these clowns make attack aircraft from Air tractors. Screw.

[loki565]

Clowns are those who buy them))) they make them for third world countries

[Andrey VOV]

Served in the army?

[aws4]

why should he serve in the army? He played a toy shooter simulators played on a computer, then hung in the net and read the guide to this site to tell uncles adults that everyone can drones and everything gets off and that these guys themselves are outdated

[Gray brother]

Quote: loki565

they make them for third world countries

The first third world country to purchase these aircraft was just the United States.

Aircraft AT-802U are already in service with government special forces in the United States (INL / A - International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs' Office of Aviation) and Colombia.

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/attack/at802u.html

[loki565]

Well, this is more of a police function, chasing Mexican and Colombian drug games. Yes, and most of these aircraft were transferred to Colombia in the framework of the joint struggle against drug trafficking.

[seregin-s1]

In service with the US 287 A-10C, as of 2016 year

[loki565]

So what??? they and U2 is still in service

[Yarhann]

and a10 and y2 extreme modifications are used for their intended purpose. some are used for drinking NBF in Iraq and Afghanistan instead of UAVs, others turn out to be much cheaper for reconnaissance than the golden global hawk (flight hour)

[maykl8]

Super attack aircraft has long been time to change the drone drone. And they all hope to fight with the enemy of NURS, maybe they can go with the Papuans and that is not a fact.

Absolutely different types of weapons. Attack aircraft - front-line aviation for striking at a certain time in the interests of combined-arms units in the front line from 3 km and further in depth during offensive or defensive operations in order to reduce the enemy’s combat potential to a combination acceptable for a successful accomplishment of a mission (division, brigade).
Impact drone performs individual tasks in the depth of the enemy's defense, where engaging front-line and army (helicopters) aviation is not advisable.

[voyaka uh]

All the work of attackers perform well with safe from MANPADS height
5-7 km fighter-bombers.
Only they need to be equipped with a container-sight and accurate ammunition.
In the case of Russia, the ideal option: Su-30. Make a riflescope and
accurate ammunition, and Su-25 will not be needed.

[NEXUS]

Quote: loki565

And they all hope to fight with the enemy of NURS, maybe they can go with the Papuans and that is not a fact.

So that you understand ..

The Su-25 attack aircraft fought in Afghanistan for eight years, and this period showed high reliability and efficiency of the machine. The Rooks made 60 thousands of sorties, losing only 23 machines. There were cases when the Su-25 returned to the airfield, having up to 150 holes. None of the aircraft was lost due to the explosion of fuel tanks or the death of the pilot.

[Yuri Thunder]

can with the Papuans ride and then not a fact.

With the Papuans just drone drone and roll.

[iouris]

Deepest non-129 upgrades.

[Kenxnumx]

The navigation system was set up - this is an achievement. Here it is 21 century. And before flying the navigator on the pilot's smartphone.

[kit88]

Like you all upside down, like the Pepsi generation.
Navigation systems on planes were set back in times when the coolest smartphone looked like this:

Now GLONASS has been added to the existing location methods.

[Kenxnumx]

That's what I wrote about. The pilot's smartphone is an order of magnitude better than the rest of the equipment in terms of navigation capabilities. And so the glonas sight for the calculation of the point of discharge. The adversaries are indulging in a guided weapon, and we are falling freely. And even if it is more accurate than before, but only the Su-25 with its ceiling, if there are any serious opponents to bomb with FABs, they will be shot down right away and no Vitebsk will help.

[kit88]

And why spend on barmaleev multi-million dollar high-precision ammunition? To scold them and be done with it. But this is so by the way.

The pilot's smartphone is an order of magnitude better than the rest of the equipment in terms of navigation capabilities.

Are you serious?
I am not an expert on a specific type of Su-25SM3. But I will tell you what kind of "GLONASS" they put on board.

Product A-737 - 12-channel navigation receiver-indicator operating on two SNS signals: GLONASS (Russia) and GPS (USA)

Provides definition of current navigation parameters (coordinates three-dimensional spatial location, the total vector of ground speed and the exact time of UTC, the current date) at any point on Earth and near-Earth space.

Is your smartphone as tall as it is? How many channels does he have? Does -60 feel good? What is the maximum overload? What is his accuracy?

[Kenxnumx]

And Su-25 often flies into near-Earth space, and what kind of overload will it stand and where will it find -60? And some smartphones measure height quite. This is understandable exaggeration but still

[kit88]

- Su-25 does not fly specifically to near-Earth space, there is no work for it
- - 60С overboard will find
- Overload A-737 - 10g

More questions?
Questions should not be.

[Kenxnumx]

-60 is 10000 so it will not find. And with -40, the smartphone will work, although not any. And in case of overload in the absence of moving parts, the 10G will withstand that very precisely, since the hard drives held out. This, of course, a joke, so do not strain what else to measure. In any case, with a saturated air defense, a low-speed, low-flying one using NAR and Su-25 guns is a corpse.

[kit88]

I will reveal to you the secret that any aircraft with a saturated air defense is a corpse (even a smartphone will not help )
10g shock overload? Drop your smartphone from a height of 10 meters onto a concrete floor ....

Yes, all this nonsense. What is there to engage in bicycling. Why argue about elementary things? No one in the world installs household smartphones on airplanes.
In those. task is written -60, then take it out and put -60, it is written 10g, it means 10g. And the generals are your excuses about the fact that there is only -40, and what I was thinking here ... that this may be enough ... -
FULLY NOT EXCITING.
Here you will become a General (smart General), at least a candidate of science, then you will offer Chinese smartphones to put on Drying

[Kenxnumx]

Shurik, I’m already a PhD, but I don’t offer to install Chinese smartphones at all. You should carefully read what you answer

[kit88]

Congratulations, Kostyan. I hope the crusts are of high quality.
By the way, what doctor didn’t have?
So it was necessary to go down to the next passage - there were. And much cheaper!

[Kenxnumx]

Envy Sasha silently. Put on the glonas on Chinese buses.
So to have a nicer conversation?

[kit88]

Kostyan, why envy?

[Kenxnumx]

I don’t understand Sasha. 4 years of hemorrhoids, simultaneous work and study, sitting at the computer at night and as a result, a crust from which there is no benefit.

[kit88]

What is your specialty? What is finished?
No, do not want to - do not answer.

[Kenxnumx]

LETI. EFF. Electronics Engineer. But the dissertation is on the processing of medical data.

[kit88]

I used to be LIAP. In our class, all smart LSUs have finished, and especially smart ones have been dumped into the States after him. The beginning of the 90s. That was a long time ago. Now everything is probably simpler? With work and with money.

[Kenxnumx]

I'm also in the early 90x. Easier where? In Russia, I would not say that everything is simple :)

[kit88]

Well, if we are talking about the 90s, then it’s understandable. For trading on a questionnaire, a dissertation is not particularly needed. Felled then all who could. Or in bandits, or in bargaining at home. The army was still possible.
I thought you were protected now, so it’s easier to get a good office.

[Kenxnumx]

But cho, I studied in graduate school and managed to trade on Juno, and so on. But I went to IT and do not regret it. Electronics in Russia died forever, as did medical equipment with applied science.

[kit88]

Yes ... Juno is our everything! On one disk you have all the software. On another hundred games. And on the first stump everything flies. It was a fun time. Do not say...
Died. Then she died. They brought new batteries to us (Su-27) (1995). with a huge brand sticker VARTA. I’m saying that you’re kidding me, they answer - they’re not French, they’re not letting out their own.

[Kenxnumx]

In medicine, technology is even worse. Therefore, without me. Happily

[seregin-s1]

Su-25M3 is a further modification of the Su-25CM attack aircraft. On the upgraded machines installed a digital display, which displays the ground and air situation, installed a new fire control system and satellite navigation GLONASS. Pro Su-25CM has a detailed article on this site.

[Kenxnumx]

Did he have a ceiling, or a speed, or a reservation?

[Old26]

Quote: NEXUS

Dear, the attack aircraft were only here and in mattresses. And I do not think that in the coming years 10 Rooks will write off.

Not certainly in that way. It would be more accurate to say that rocket attack aircraft NOW is only here and in the USA. And so, in principle, were the French Etander and Super Etaander, the British Bukanir, the Romanian IAR, the Yugoslav J-22. Now probably only our SU-25 and the American A-10 remain.

Quote: NEXUS

MANPADS can bring down not only the Rook

Maybe sobet and maybe not. In the AFgan there was a case when a rocket broke one engine, and the second, located behind the armored partition, made the car reach the base.

[boathouse]

Have the Hindus already written off the Jaguars?

[Adimius38]

No, he is not super, an old plane from the end of 70 s in a new little paint with a pair of instrumentals ala Glonass. It must be admitted that there is nothing to replace him, as for example the same su-24 was replaced by su-34. Well, it was NOT designed in the Russian Federation a new attack aircraft, capable of ironing the enemy directly above the battlefield. However, this is the concept of the modern ARMY of the Russian Federation WHERE, due to lack of funding, we are engaged in modernizing what we have from the USSR, of course, there is nothing shameful in modernization, but only when modernization is done in full, and not in a truncated form, as for example with our tanks and by airplanes

[Andrey VOV]

How many amerikosov B-52s fly? A-1в?

[boathouse]

There is no replacement for it and is not foreseen, which means we will constantly update the "minced meat" on what is still capable of rising into the air.

[Zaurbek]

According to the experience of the Americans, they will replace the Mi28 and the UAV (shock when they appear)

[Old26]

Quote: Adimius38

No, he is not super, an old plane from the end of 70 s in a new little paint with a pair of instrumentals ala Glonass. It must be admitted that there is nothing to replace him, as for example the same su-24 was replaced by su-34. Well, it was NOT designed in the Russian Federation a new attack aircraft, capable of ironing the enemy directly above the battlefield. However, this is the concept of the modern ARMY of the Russian Federation WHERE, due to lack of funding, we are engaged in modernizing what we have from the USSR, of course, there is nothing shameful in modernization, but only when modernization is done in full, and not in a truncated form, as for example with our tanks and by airplanes

It differs from the original SU-25 in its "stuffing" and if it has something that allowed it to use what it could not before - why not "Super". The same American "Superhornet" is not an airplane created a couple of years ago. But modernized many times.
As for the new, it was planned to create the SU-39, but something did not work out, it is possible that 90-e years put an end to it. And ironing directly over the battlefield with modern saturation of the battlefield with trunks - it means putting the aircraft in the position of the victim. He should be able to hit the entire nomenclature of weapons, day and night ...

[Saboteur Holuy]

During the storming of Kiev, an indispensable plane!

[Lord of the Sith]

It is better this photo, more true.

[aristok]

Need to produce IL-102

[Yuri Thunder]

Need to produce IL-102

What for?

[aristok]

IL-102 has the following advantages over Su-25:
- big in 1,5 times max combat load,
-big speed, longer range.
- better maneuverability at normal take-off weight - its engines are more powerful, and the wing load is less.
The large IL-102 carrying capacity will make it possible to install additional systems - which is almost impossible on the Su-25:

... the intention to install the Sukhogruz active jamming station on the Su-25, which jammed the missiles of the missiles and showed itself well on the helicopters, could not be implemented due to its too much power consumption ..

Existing aircraft-guided weapons require an operator - the 2 of a crew member, who is already present in the original version of the IL-102.
2-s local variants of Su-25 have, naturally, worse TTD compared to the base ones.

Aft gun installation can be used both for suppressing the use and targeting of enemy enemy anti-aircraft weapons (for example, when leaving an attack), and (theoretically) for destroying missiles approaching from the rear hemisphere.

[Yuri Thunder]

[quote] -big in 1,5 times max combat load, [/ quote]
Su-25-4400 kg .; IL-102-7200 kg., Let's say.
[quote] -big speed, longer range. [quote]
Su-25-975 km / h and 650 / 320 km; IL-102-950 km / h and 300 / 250 km, not a garden plant.
[quote] - better maneuverability at normal take-off mass - its engines are more powerful, and the wing load is less. [/ quote]
This is a attack aircraft. Therefore, we consider the maximum take-off mass. The ratio of engine thrust and weight of the aircraft. In Su-25-1,997 (17600 / 8900), in IL-102-2, 067 (22000 / 10640), not significant.
In addition, the P-33 engines, which stand on the IL-102, are used on the Mig-29, as well as on the Su-25 ALREADY costs PRNK and SOEP, and on the IL-102 there is no, and this is + mass.

[axxman]

Quote: Yuri Gromovoy

Quote: aristok

- big in 1,5 times max combat load,

Su-25-4400 kg .; IL-102-7200 kg., Let's say.

in fact, even 1,636 times. but here you modestly agreed "let's say" like it's not important

Quote: Thunder Yuri

-big speed, longer range.

Su-25-975 km / h and 650 / 320 km; IL-102-950 km / h and 300 / 250 km, not a garden plant.

No need for long euphemisms - "fuck" is quite a literary word
Practical range (without PTB):
Su-25 = 640 km
IL-102 = 1000 km. - still what a "hell"! 1,56 times more.
It is not surprising - there are two-contour engines on the IL-102, and one contour engines on the Su-25.
Speed ​​according to my data (maximum / cruising):
Su-25 = 950 / 750 (km / h)
IL-102 = 1100 / 950 (km / h)
The IL-102 has more sweep and better thrust-to-weight ratio.

Quote: Thunder Yuri

- better maneuverability at normal take-off weight - its engines are more powerful, and the wing load is less.

This is a attack aircraft. Therefore, we consider the maximum take-off mass. The ratio of engine thrust and weight of the aircraft. In Su-25-1,997 (17600 / 8900), in IL-102-2, 067 (22000 / 10640), not significant.

And what did you miss the first point? About maneuverability? and immediately went to the thrust ratio? (and there they messed up - but more on that further) ?!
Ugly!
Turning radius:
Su-25 - 680 m
IL-102 - 400 m - 1,7 times better in IL-102!
And this is the most important parameter in a combat situation.
Did you forget about the wing loading too?
Su-25 = 485 kg / m²
IL-102 = 283 kg / m² in 1,71 times better than IL-102!

Now about the thrust-to-weight ratio - the only parameter that you noticed in the aspect of maneuverability.
Engines in 2хР-95Ш on Su-25 = 2 × 4100 kgf = 8200 kgf, not 8900, as you wrote.
I hope this is a "typo" and not a scam.
Thus, the thrust-weight ratio at max.
Su-25 = 0,46 / 0.56
IL-102 = 0,48 / 0,59
Just a little bit, but better - especially considering that the IL-102 2x is local and better armed (aft AU).

Quote: Thunder Yuri

In addition, the engines P-33, which stand on the IL-102, are used on the Mig-29

This is what you wrote? I hope not to the fact that to use them on the IL-102 you need to disassemble the MiG-29?

What is important: you need to consider that when developing the IL-102, the emphasis was on manufacturability, for example:

The airframe design has high manufacturability. 80% trim is formed by sheets of single curvature, air inlets have a circular cross section.

And the most effective experience in the production of IL-28 confirms the possibility of Ilyushins.

[Yuri Thunder]

[quote] Practical range (without PTB):
Su-25 = 640 km
IL-102 = 1000 km. - still what a "hell"! 1,56 times more. [quote]
Do not la-la. Practical range - the distance that the plane can fly without bombs, and I indicated the combat radius (with bombs).
[quote] Engines for 2хР-95Ш on Su-25 = 2 × 4100 kgf = 8200 kgf, not 8900, as you wrote.
I hope this is a "typo" and not a scam. [/ Quote]
And with a frightened, did you consider the P-95 traction for Su-25, and not P-195? There are traction under 4500 kgf.
[quote] What are you writing to? I hope not to the fact that to use them on the IL-102 you need to disassemble the Mig-29? [/ Quote]
In addition, in the event of war, it is necessary either to increase the output of the engines, or to transfer the aircraft to new engines.
Again. What is IL-102 PrNK and SOEP?

[boathouse]

Then already Il-2 or Il-10. They are even outwardly similar to "102".

[Vasily199]

Quote: loki565

Maybe only when our X25 was shot down in Syria, he used the NURS.
the attack drone can cope with the task of the attack aircraft, and most importantly the pilots will survive.

Urya patriots do not care!

[Nastia makarova]

all sorry but the pilots are almost suicide bombers in the war

[Zaurbek]

And what about the TRD they did?

[Lapunevsky]

No matter how much these attack aircraft praise them, their concept of application, like 70 years ago, is all the same - to gain altitude, and swooping down on the target, using a rifle-eye, count the nose of the aircraft, hammer into the NURS target. And then, crossing my mind, withdraw from the peak directly above the enemy and gain altitude, hoping not to get a couple of missiles with MANPADS in the tail, or even gifts from anti-aircraft guns. So acted IL-2, Pe-2 and other similar aircraft in the Second World War. Nothing changed. It may even be a bargain against barmaley in Syria, but not against less developed countries with their air defense forces.