Anti-submarine aircraft IL-38H "Novella" will patrol the Northern Sea Route

The Northern Sea Route will be daily patrolled by IL-38N Novella anti-submarine aircraft. Three aviation regiment of the Pacific and Northern fleets. This was reported by Izvestia with reference to the General Staff of the Russian Navy.

Anti-submarine aircraft IL-38 Novella, consisting of two mixed Pacific Fleet combined regiments with deployment in Kamchatka and Primorye, as well as the North Air Base fleet, step on the daily patrol of the Northern Sea Route. Aircraft will keep under control the actions of surface ships and submarines located next to the most important northern sea road.

The decision was taken at the beginning of this year. Previously with the crews of IL-38H conducted relevant exercises.

As explained in the Ministry of Defense, anti-submarine Il-38H "Novella" have powerful complexes of optical-electronic and radio intelligence and are able to detect targets at a considerable distance. They will supply the received information to troops, besides they can pursue submarines and put a minefield.

The Novella electronic complex, installed during the modernization of the IL-38 aircraft, makes it possible to increase the efficiency of search and detection of submarines four times and has the capabilities of conducting reconnaissance and issuing target designation. An aircraft with the help of a new search and sighting system can confidently find submarines and destroy them, moreover with the use of an expanded (compared to the base Il-38) nomenclature of armaments. The aircraft can carry up to 9 tons of weapons, including torpedoes and land-based aerial bombs designed to target other aircraft.

Modernization of the Il-38 aircraft to the level of the Il-38H "Novella" is carried out from 2012, by JSC "Aviation Complex named after S. Ilyushin".

Comments

[Valery Valery]

Good news!!

[Thrall]

It is a pity the Americans, fearing to disgrace themselves in the event of a breakdown of the only 40-year-old icebreaker, did not send him on the NSR. So it would be our anti-submarine flyers on whom to practice.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thrall

It is a pity the Americans, fearing to disgrace themselves in the event of a breakdown of the only 40-year-old icebreaker, did not send him on the NSR. So it would be our anti-submarine flyers on whom to practice.

Explain to the stupid - what right does the Amer icebreaker have in our territorial waters? As far as I understand, the NSR passes exclusively in our territorial waters. Or I'm wrong?

[Thrall]

In 1991, after the collapse of the USSR, the Northern Sea Route was opened for international shipping.
Since 2019, the passage of foreign warships along the Northern Sea Route is carried out only after notification to the authorities of the Russian Federation

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Thrall

In 1991, after the collapse of the USSR, the Northern Sea Route was opened for international shipping.

I didn’t understand - from what fright was this done?

[Harry.km]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I didn’t understand - from what fright was this done?

And in 1997, the Russian Federation abandoned its Arctic sector .... and is now content with territorial waters and the economic zone.

[lukewarm]

Quote: Thrall

passage of foreign warships along the Northern Sea Route is carried out only after notice authorities of the Russian Federation

I'm not in the subject, is that really so? The notification is somehow rather weak. Now, if "with permission", then yes ...

[Valery Valery]

You are mistaken. SMP - not ter. waters (this is 12 miles from the coastline). It passes through our exclusive economic zone. Any ship or vessel can enter it, but in compliance with the laws and requirements of the state to which it belongs.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Valery Valery

You are mistaken. SMP - not ter. waters (this is 12 miles from the coastline). It passes through our exclusive economic zone. Any ship or vessel can enter it, but in compliance with the laws and requirements of the state to which it belongs.

You want to say that the NATO ship has every right to go to Dickson for 12.5 miles?

[Valery Valery]

There is also an adjacent zone - 24 miles, where we have the right to carry out customs inspection and other actions, but in principle - YES (warning for 45 days)

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Valery Valery

There is also an adjacent zone - 24 miles, where we have the right to carry out customs inspection and other actions, but in principle - YES (warning for 45 days)

Thank you.

[Dikson]

absolutely right .. I already wrote here in the comments to the article about the pace of shipbuilding in the PRC .. We cannot oppose anything to any country that wants to drive ships in the Arctic .. Even if a certain ship enters our territorial waters .. - there is no one there to chase and inspect him .. I remember one remarkable case in the last years of the USSR .. a certain "yachtsman" was accidentally discovered by an ordinary dry cargo ship just in the Dikson area .. That is, he safely passed from Norway to the Kara Sea, past all our naval bases, border guards , airplanes ... This gentleman's yacht was packed with radio electronics to the eyeballs, and the most interesting thing is that in general (according to him) there were two of them in the crew .. But his partner went ashore .. On our shore .. If this happened in those years when the shipping along the NSR was very busy, not like in the current times .. And yet - the yacht was not noticed. What about submarines?

[lucul]

As far as I understand, the NSR passes exclusively in our territorial waters. Or I'm wrong?

Shallow water and the ocean liner need to stay away from the coast, therefore the NSR does not always pass in the territorial waters of Russia.
And only the submarines of our "partners" will be able to attack them there. Therefore, the mandatory patrolling of anti-submarine aircraft.

[Dikson]

shallow water is 30 meters? 45? The route for the caravan to be transported along the NSR is interpreted simply - it is laid depending on the ice situation. They try to lead the caravan over clear water. The Arctic Arctic is certainly smaller than the Pacific Ocean, but the depths in it are quite navigable in the coastal zone ..

[yehat]

narrow coastal strip of territorial waters
and the Northern Sea Route is not a path, but a direction. It is possible to build in such a way that you won’t get out of territorial waters, but with large tonnage they most likely regularly go into neutral waters.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Or I'm wrong?

you are mistaken, it takes place in the EEZ (excl. economical zone)!

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Thrall

It is a pity the Americans, fearing to disgrace themselves in the event of a breakdown of the only 40-year-old icebreaker, did not send him on the NSR. So it would be our anti-submarine flyers on whom to practice.

Explain to the stupid - what right does the Amer icebreaker have in our territorial waters? As far as I understand, the NSR passes exclusively in our territorial waters. Or I'm wrong?

You are mistaken. PSD does not always travel along the guidewires, in addition, it is open to civilian vessels. Military - after notification of the Russian Federation

[Ros 56]

Not at the bar, they can fly by themselves and practice.

[Marconi41]

It’s clear in the summer, and in the winter what they will do there. Will the pilots go on vacation?

[Thrall]

Quote: Marconi41

It’s clear in the summer, and in the winter what they will do there.

Detect American submarines under ice.

[iConst]

Quote: Thrall

Detect American submarines under ice.

And how?

[yehat]

but what, the magnetometer is no longer working on ice?

[Grigory_45]

Quote: yehat

magnetometer no longer works need ice

magnetometer - a very frivolous thing against modern submarines, with reduced margins. The principal drawback of the magnetometer is the extremely short detection range. Magnetic anomalies quickly smooth out with distance. To determine the presence of an anomaly, it is required to walk from it in less than 1 (!) Mile - that is, almost directly above the boat. In simple terms, it’s easier to find a needle in a haystack with a magnet than a submarine in the sea with a magnetometer.

Well, buoys - the most effective tool for this day - you can throw right on the ice)) They will work very effectively))

[Marconi41]

Quote: Thrall

Quote: Marconi41

It’s clear in the summer, and in the winter what they will do there.

Detect American submarines under ice.

How?! If only to put cons. Throw buoys on the ice and look at them?

[210ox]

Yeah .. Together with the Amers submariners .. On summer vacation ..

[Harry.km]

Quote: 210ox

Together with the Amerz submariners .. wassat a summer vacation ..

For several years, the US Navy has been very active in studying and mapping the bottom under the very ice ... without summer holidays. And we can only smile stupidly at their small shoals with such a large-scale work. Until they need icebreakers, they do everything with submarines. There it is necessary not three consolidated regiments, but an air army, and then there will not be enough forces and means to at least just track the activities of everything that now walks and swims. There now the movement is already unreal. The PRC already has a base on Svalbard, for example ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: Marconi41

It’s clear in summer, and in winter what will they do there

There is also the Atlantic and the Pacific. IL-38 from Severomorsk-1 patrolled all the way to England all year round.

[lucul]

Quote: iConst

Quote: Thrall

Detect American submarines under ice.

And how?

So they told you)))
It is enough to know what they discover.

[yehat]

on pizza packages thrown out on picnics

[Marconi41]

Quote: yehat

on pizza packages thrown out on picnics

Well, if only that!

[Marconi41]

Are you science fiction? Podold 38th will not find anything. There is no such possibility. Read how the plane detects pl.

[boathouse]

He is from senile blindness and is unlikely to see anything over ice.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: lucul

It’s enough to know what they discover

or just said they discover. You believed it. And ask a reasonable question - intelligence does not allow?

[tech3030]

Who in the topic, our modernization of IL -38 at the level of the West, or are we always catching up? There was an article about Japanese anti-submarine aircraft, they are impressive.

[yehat]

the Japanese have more serious goals, to put it mildly
they need to search from North Korea, the Russian Federation and China (not counting all Thailand, Argentina and the Philippines) potentially about 90 targets in a huge area
and our IL-38 is enough near the shore 2 small areas to fly around

[tech3030]

And what if different goals let them fly on airplanes? I didn’t ask about quantity, but about quality, does a minuscier read?

[yehat]

I do not put cons, except for the trash itself. And quality often corresponds to the importance of the task.
the more important the task, the more willing to spend, and the fleet always kept the fleet as far from being the most beloved and respected unit.

[tech3030]

About the minuses, it’s not for you personally who reads and puts that one will see. Well, in general, people mincing need at least some arguments to give, and not a stupid poke button.

[knn54]

No worse than the Boeing R8 Poseidon.
By the way, IL-38 can use ice airfields.
India has already installed an export version of Novella - Sea Serpent.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: tech3030

Who in the topic, our modernization of IL -38 at the level of the West, or are we always catching up?

How would it be softer to say ...
In general, IL-38N we have 8 pieces for the whole country. And this is the modernization of the combat side issue of the times of the USSR.
The US had 2019 Poseidons as of January 98. New.

[sanya_sergant]

In give reporters. Word game
How menacing it sounds:

The Northern Sea Route will be daily patrolled by IL-38N Novella anti-submarine aircraft. Three aviation regiments of the Pacific and Northern fleets took over on duty.

But in fact there are only 8 of them. Moreover, they somehow need to fly from the Pacific Fleet to the NSR, which means they will be removed from duty from the southeast direction.

[Vadim237]

They have a patrol zone throughout the Pacific and Atlantic oceans - 98 will not be enough.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vadim237

They have a patrol zone throughout the Pacific and Atlantic oceans - 98 will not be enough.

Ordered 122 Poseidons. Plus, the Yankees still have a hundred old Orions.

[Operator]

Theirs Poseidon cannot detect our Poseidon - the range of the first magnetometer (1 km) is less than the depth of the second (1,4 km), not to mention the low magnitude of Poseidon's magnetic field (700 times less than the Yasen nuclear submarine).

[Vadim237]

At Poseidon NPA, most likely the case is made of a titanium alloy - a magnetic field near zero.

[Operator]

The mass of the Poseidon's diamagnetic titanium hull is less than half of the displacement of the NPA, the rest (reactor, heat exchanger, turbo-gear unit, special warheads) is ferromagnets, therefore it will be correct to speak of a decrease in no more than half the strength of the magnetic field in comparison with the NPA of the same displacement, but with body made of steel.

[Vadim237]

The thickness of the case closes, the entire magnetic field from the equipment.

[Operator]

"Dia" means transparent, not shielding.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: tech3030

Is our modernization of IL -38 at the level of the West or are we always catching up?

hopelessly ottalt. IL-38N is not a very new aircraft. It was made for the Indian Navy (IL-38SD, Sea Dragon), by their order - back in 2002-2005.
The American Viking is even more capable, although it has not flown for a long time ...

We can sleep peacefully, our frontiers are protected by unmatched devices ...

[Ros 56]

And rightly so, behind the adversary you need an eye and an eye.

[_Ugene_]

He looks, of course, as if it were softer, as if he had escaped from the museum, which, however, is not far from the truth because for over 50 years he has already

[lukewarm]

Orion American looks exactly the same. In my opinion, decently. Only this superstructure over the fuselage in the cockpit area spoils it. And aerodynamics and appearance.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: unwillingly

Orion American looks exactly the same. In my opinion, decently. Only this superstructure over the fuselage in the cockpit area spoils it. And aerodynamics and appearance.

The problem is that Orions are now being decommissioned and sold. And the main aircraft of the USN base anti-submarine aviation is the new Poseidon, of which 2019 units have already been delivered in January 98.
And we are still trying squeeze another drop from the Soviet-built sides. Because there is no domestic base for the new PLO aircraft.

[NKT]

Why is the Tu-214 bad? They produce the same Tu-214R.

[lukewarm]

I agree. What they do is better than nothing, but ... The question is, for what money

Quote: Alexey RA

we are still trying to squeeze another drop from the sides of the Soviet-built

If for the price of a new one, then ... And the new Commander-in-Chief of the Navy came from the Poseidons for the Americans. In my opinion, there was an article somewhere here.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: unwillingly

Orion American looks exactly the same

that's just Orions write off with might and main, replacing Poseidons, and we have the latest aircraft ((

[The seventh]

Quote: yehat

but what, the magnetometer is no longer working on ice?

The magnetometer works, but there is no sense from it if the submarine is equipped with an autonomous demagnetization system ...)

[yehat]

I meant the search engine for mass anomalies - these have long been on the orions
and how do you not hide the boat, if the plane flies close, he will notice that some big metal thing is nearby - and not only the boat, but also the sunken skeleton
true depth saves, but American boats do not go deep.

[The seventh]

"Search engine for mass anomalies" is called in the common people ... Gravitometer. And that "gravitometer", which records exclusively the "metal mass" is called by the people .. a magnetometer. Thus .. the circle is closed, where we started, so we ended ..)

[yehat]

well at least they didn’t get to the voltage meter

[lopvlad]

Quote: Valery Valery

SMP - not ter. waters (it's 12 miles from the coastline). It passes through our exclusive economic zone.

not quite right. Part of the NSR passes in Russian territorial waters and part in our economic zone. Therefore, to do as the West wants and not only it, the NSR will not work out internationally.
The NSR, even with the collapse of the USSR, did not have an international status, simply because of the lack of funds for maintaining the army at that time, there was a passage yard there, and everyone was lazy through the territorial waters of Russia.

Considering the fact that has already been practically approved at the level of UN experts, Russia's applications for the expansion of its territories in the Arctic will run the NSR completely in the territorial waters of Russia.

From time immemorial to the present, the territory of the country is that territory which the army of this country is able to defend and retain.
In the Arctic, showing determination to defend their interests not in words but in practice, Russia is doing everything right.

[lopvlad]

Quote: yehat

but with a large tonnage, they most likely regularly go neutral.

of course it is possible, but the neutral ones are neatly shackled with such ice that no icebreakers can do it.

[lopvlad]

Quote: Marconi41

Throw buoys on the ice and look at them?

it is enough to throw buoys in the waters of the NSR to find the submarines scurrying next to it under the ice.

[Marconi41]

Quote: lopvlad

Quote: Marconi41

Throw buoys on the ice and look at them?

it is enough to throw buoys in the waters of the NSR to find the submarines scurrying next to it under the ice.

Did you understand what you wrote? What water, in winter, in the Arctic Ocean?

[Tests]

Hmm-ah, they wrote ... At the airbase of the Northern Fleet, skoka-skoka there are only Il-38Ns, which can take to the air? 5, or already 6? You cannot cover the Barents Sea from Severomorsk-1 with such forces, and given the weather on Kola ... There should be 20-30 pieces of them on Kola (ideally, at 2-3 airfields), but in Katunino there are 12 pieces, and in Pechora or Vorkuta the same number, but there are 4 pieces in Belushka. You look - the Barents Sea and the White Sea can be covered. And beyond the Barents Sea is the Kara Sea. In Norilsk there are IL-38N, skoka, 0? ... Maybe in Tiksi or Cape Schmidt? ... From the Pacific Fleet airfields, it seems, by the number of planes, just to cover the strategists' exit from Velyuchinsk ... About "Orions" "they have already written, but we have: no planes, no airfields, no pilots, no technicians. Press services with real colonels - hurray !!! yes, there are political officers again, but there is an Orthodox church in a country where everyone in the Armed Forces is building ... it's sad ...

[Vadim237]

In addition to IL 38, there are several dozens of PLO Ka 27, Mi 14 helicopters and Tu 142 aircraft, of course, all ships and submarines - anti-submarine defense and search, should be comprehensive - and not individually.

[Harry.km]

Quote: Vadim237

In addition to IL 38 there is still

How much I read your comments, I constantly observe the same picture. You are constantly trying to justify the frankly disgusting state of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, by any arguments up to frankly delusional. What are the KA-27 PLO? You open the NSR map. What are MI-14? 6 million square kilometers there. How many TU 142 do we have? And how much is needed to somehow control the situation?

[Vadim237]

What is enough for searching and detecting submarines - they will soon create combat airbags and a function: patrolling, detecting and destroying submarines, mines and other airbags, give them all in bulk - it will be cheaper than buying helicopters and planes in tens and hundreds - all the more so Arctic ice, from them there is no use in terms of PLO.

[aszzz888]

Testov (Eugene) Yesterday, 19: 05 ... to cover the exit of strategists from Veluychinsk ...

Vilyuchinsk - Wikipedia
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Вилючинск
ВиLyuchinsk is a city in the Kamchatka Territory of Russia. Closed Administrative Territorial Unit (ZATO)

... I agree with the rest.

[Dikson]

Listen, isn’t it easier to locate stationary tracking stations on the Arctic islands? Well, or under water? Otherwise, all this looks like such a fiction .. Simply, for a tick and a report on dizzying successes in improving defense capability .. What, flying once a day (or once every two days), the board will be able to find something on such a vast territory under two-meter ice? After a month of such patrolling, the route and flight schedule will be known to every commander of an American submarine ..

[Tests]

aszzz888 (sheriff), thanks! Guilty, boiled, in a hurry ...