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There is nothing to defend. Russia as a proving ground for "genocidal wars"

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Trofim Lysenko's legacy and its consequences


Early stories about creating biological weapons A new generation in the West is worth remembering why we found ourselves in this situation as defenders. Trofim Denisovich Lysenko is a key figure bearing direct responsibility for the fact that, at first, the Soviet Union, and later Russia, lagged behind Western countries in the development of genetics and related sciences for decades. The apotheosis of his sabotage activity was the August session of the Academy of Agricultural Sciences 1948, during which all scientists engaged in genetics and biotechnology were finally finished off.


There is nothing to defend. Russia as a proving ground for "genocidal wars"

Stalin highly respected Trofim Lysenko


The session was followed by the notorious Order No. 1208 of 23 in August 1948. “On the teaching of biological disciplines in universities and on measures to strengthen biological faculties with qualified personnel from Michurin biologists”, which effectively prohibited the teaching of objectionable disciplines, as well as revising the topics of Ph.D. theses.

In those days, it was impossible to defend a research work in which somehow could find traces of "bourgeois idealistic biology". Talented scientists either adapted, going to other areas of science, or threw science altogether, becoming a deaf opposition. Often, entire areas of genetics, microbiology and biotechnology have been in the hands of Trofim Lysenko, or simply adapters, for decades.

Is it any wonder that now almost 100% of the biotechnology market in Russia directly depends on the West? For example, Russian enterprises engaged in the deep processing of wheat and the production of the amino acid lysine, which is indispensable for agriculture, are completely dependent on imports of specific strains of bacteria. What to do in the case of an embargo? Nothing, just close the production line: at the moment, domestic scientists and technologists are unable to provide an adequate replacement. It is not a secret for anyone that military technologies are always and everywhere based on the level of development of the state’s scientific competences. It cannot be that most of the biotech products we import, but in the field of biological defense we are the leaders. Unfortunately, this is a given.

Western breakthrough


Currently, biological weapons seem to be undergoing a renaissance. Everybody knows the biological agents of the third-class weapons, which have undergone advanced procedures using the methods of genomics and proteomics. The trend has become the selectivity of the actions of viruses and bacteria that are able to “distinguish” nations and races from each other. Genetics have learned to clearly distinguish at the genetic level several dozen ethnic groups, and this, of course, cannot pass by the attention of the military. What is the main danger of a new generation of weapons? Firstly, its application is quite easy to hide; the first signs of the disease can manifest themselves for a long time. Secondly, signs of the disease will be atypical for the opposing medical staff, which will complicate treatment and prevention. Thirdly, it will be extremely difficult to identify a biological agent due to a change in the genotype. In fact, Russia now faces two problems - the creation of an effective biological weapon of a new generation and the development of means of protection against similar means of attack.


Famous British Porton Down


Now about 20 countries in the world are able to conduct research in the field of military biology at the highest technological level. The United States is the undisputed leader on this list. In the US, a powerful scientific base that allows working with the dangerous infectious diseases themselves, many of which are located outside the country. Japan lags behind Americans a little, the specialists of which recently initiated a program of work with a group of high-risk flaviviruses. These are Dengue virus, Japanese and tick-borne encephalitis, as well as yellow fever virus, characterized by high mortality and stability in the aerosol state. In Canada, biological defense issues (read: biological weapons) are dealt with at the Suffield Center for Defense Studies. The UK has been conducting relevant biological research for many decades at the Center for Chemical and Microbiological Research in Porton Down. Germany lags behind, in which biotechnology has never been given priority. Now the profile studies in the Federal Republic of Germany are going on at the Scientific Research Institute of Protective Technologies and Protection against Weapons of Mass Destruction (Münster) and at the Munich Academy of Bundeswehr Health Service. Even Iran is trying to do something in the field of military-biological topics. So, according to experts, at the end of the 2000s, Iranians were ready to launch ballistic missiles equipped with anthrax, foot and mouth disease and biotoxins. With the current level of development of domestic pharmaceuticals and biotechnology, we only need to guess at what stage of development Russian military biology is currently standing.

Dual-use genetics


“About two years ago in America, the topic of creating certain laboratories began to unwind, where experiments would be conducted that required people who belonged exclusively to the Slavic race. We remember how many millions of people carried the plague into the Middle Ages, how many millions of people died from typhus. And now Americans believe that they can make some genetically modified viruses that will act on one race. ”


Such comments were voiced last year by a professor of the Academy of Military Sciences, an Americanist Sergei Sudakov.


Biological weapons - one of the most controversial works of scientists


Scientists in the US defense agencies are well aware that modifications of viruses and other biological agents they create need to be tested in “field” conditions. This dogma was bred in militaristic Japan. The 731 squad, led by Shiro Ishii and Kitano Masazzo, achieved impressive results in similar studies, most of which were adopted by the Americans after the war. Now everyone understands that the creation of an ethnically selective weapon is only half the battle. It is necessary to verify the practical effectiveness of the novelty and, perhaps most important, in the further fate of such weapons. Where are the guarantees that after the viruses or bacteria that have decimated the population of the whole region, do not mutate into new strains that will no longer have ethnic specificity, and the virulence will remain? In the face of an epidemic, such a process will require months, if not even weeks. It is for such cases that large-scale studies are required near the region of potential use of new weapons.

The United States unexpectedly attended to the health of the population of such countries as Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. The official reason for such close attention was to ensure the biological safety of these republics. At the same time, Americans cannot bring plausible statistics confirming the need for such intervention. All of these regions are quite prosperous in epidemiological terms, there have not been major outbreaks of infectious diseases for a long time. All they have in common only one thing - a close location to Russia. All work near our country is funded not by the Department of Health, but by the US Department of Defense. Most studies are conducted behind closed doors and only partially controlled by the host state.

Among the main goals of locating central reference laboratories outside the United States and near Russia, one can single out the collection of information, including statistical information, on endemic pathogens and their pathways. It is also impossible to exclude the conduct of biodiversity in the territory of the Russian Federation - the outbreak of African swine fever in the 2012-2013 years in the south of our country is very similar to the fruits of such activities.


The outbreak of African swine fever in Russia 2012-2013 could well be one of the first biological provocations of the Pentagon


On the territory of the republics of the former Soviet Union can still be valuable for the West results of the development of biological weapons, which becomes the next goal of organizing such laboratories. It is no coincidence that the Pentagon’s Kazakhstani laboratory is handed over to the leaders of Kanatzhan Alibekov, who in the past was an important functionary of the Soviet program for developing weapons of mass destruction Biopreparat. It is located in Almaty, in the Kazakhstan Scientific Center for Quarantine and Zoonotic Infections named after M. Aykimbaeva.


Researcher at the Kazakhstan Scientific Center for Quarantine and Zoonotic Infections named after M. Aykimbaeva


In the end, it makes sense to give a diametrically opposite opinion about the true causes of the activities of American military biologists near the borders of Russia. Doctor of Biological Sciences, a specialist in the field of bioinformatics, Mikhail Gelfand ruled out the possibility of collecting Russian genetic material to create an ethnically directed weapon. According to the scientist, Americans want to separate the mutations that cause susceptibility to disease from a purely historical trace. “This is some kind of disgusting lie. There is no such weapon. People are too similar to each other to create a specific weapon against some race, ”commented Mikhail Gelfand on the theory of biological weapons of the new generation.

Apparently, repeated attempts by the Pentagon to purchase samples of RNA (ribonucleic acid) of Russians are a peace initiative?


Doctor of Biological Sciences Mikhail Gelfand



One of the directions of the Russian project "Noah's Ark" is the collection of human biomaterials in all parts of the world.


Hope to respond to Russia in the field of such developments gives the multi-billion dollar project "Noah's Ark", implemented in Moscow State University since the end of 2014 year. Within the framework of the project, a depository is created in which, among other things, non-living material (blood, plasma, biopsy results, etc.) of many ethnic groups of the Earth is stored. Also saved the results of studies of genotypes. Living somatic, stem, germ cells are separately stored and studied, and in the future they will freeze human tissues. It seems that the leadership of the country still paid attention to our lag in this area.

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  1. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 29 2019 07: 21
    -11
    The USA unexpectedly became concerned about the health of the population of countries such as Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan

    Everything is much simpler. Clinical studies are needed to certify cosmetics, medicines, sunblocks, certain dietary supplements. In the West they are very expensive, rabid grandmas are paid to the volunteers participating in them. In post-Soviet countries, everything is simpler: Rent - a penny, volunteers can pay $ 50 per day and they are happy.
    1. Civil
      Civil April 29 2019 10: 09
      +16
      Just do not! Lysenko did not make decisions alone; all decisions were taken collectively. For the defeat of genetics are responsible all who sang along and approved.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 29 2019 12: 30
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        Just do not! Lysenko did not make decisions alone; all decisions were taken collectively. For the defeat of genetics are responsible all who sang along and approved.

        In that big fuss around, and around the "false science - something there capitalism" was absolutely not pure!
        Like spiders in a jar .... the "spider trophim" and around it just won, and Soviet science lost in general.
        I do not idealize, but to smear / whitewash is not deservedly stupid. To all sisters by earrings! The only way!
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 30 2019 21: 12
        +1
        Quote: Civil
        For the defeat of genetics are responsible all who sang along and approved.

        Genetics in the USSR, or rather its industry - genetic engineering, was to become the cornerstone of the development of agriculture! Who was married to perestroika? - nuclear scientists and geneticists! Because we do not have firms developed the industry but a powerful state. Not a single company can overpower the costs that the USSR incurred in developing manipulators for working with DNA! This is a complex of an electron microscope and a mechanical device where movements of an engineer’s hands through a system of gears are transmitted to needles with a tip from a molecule. All of America's achievements in this area are Soviet results. Please note that in America, all GMOs developed before 1996 are allowed. That is, developed in the USSR. America’s leadership in genetics is just as fake as Stalin the tyrant.
        1. goose
          goose 27 May 2019 15: 30
          +1
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Not a single company can overpower the costs that the USSR incurred in developing manipulators for working with DNA!

          Are you kidding me? In physics, apparatuses for laying out individual words by atoms have long been available.
          DNA manipulations are thousands of times larger in scale, i.e. make 3 orders of magnitude easier.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 27 May 2019 20: 01
            0
            But do you think it is easy, and how much work to cut and make the necessary genes, for example, to calculate the gene that is responsible for the specific scorpion smell and insert it into the genome that is responsible for opening the stomata of the potato leaf? Well, in order for the Colorado potato beetle to fly past such a potato to faraway Colorado?
            1. goose
              goose 28 May 2019 09: 33
              +1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              and how do you think, is it easy, and how much work to cut and make the necessary genes, for example, calculate the gene that is responsible for the specific scorpion smell and insert it into the genome that is responsible for opening the stomata of the potato leaf

              I know for sure that gene analytics, even with a modern laboratory base and supercomputers, is not an easy and expensive thing, and it is also dependent on individuals.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 28 May 2019 10: 24
                +1
                Quote: goose
                the thing is not easy and costly, moreover, dependent on individuals.

                that is why nuclear physicists and genetic engineers migrated to the United States in the 90s, because the result of labor and huge costs was several bags of seeds and several dozens of specialists. In the USA, GMOs developed up to 96g are even legally permitted. because it is a Soviet development! We could not implement.
                1. goose
                  goose 28 May 2019 10: 58
                  0
                  Quote: aybolyt678
                  that is why in the 90s nuclear physicists and genetic engineers migrated to the United States, because the result of labor and huge costs were several bags of seeds and several dozen specialists

                  80% of my fellow students live in New York, it's sad. The country did not need them. Each of them is slowly moving its direction.
    2. Vladimir 5
      Vladimir 5 April 29 2019 11: 29
      +10
      Krasnodar ... Well, yes, the US military is concerned about creams for ladies and allocates huge funds ...... Who is it, and from the Israeli sides there is always a willingness to cover crimes, both the United States and Israel ... In vain removed the flags of states from comments, then there were obvious answers to the content of the comments ... Here, the Israelis, without doubting their rightness, bombing, shooting leading experts, it’s not the time to adopt such effective practice and the services of the Russian Federation, especially for the biological weapons being created ...
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 29 2019 11: 38
        -4
        I don’t know about what the US military department pays. The surge in the construction of civilian laboratories in Ukraine and Moldova was caused precisely by the transfer of most clinical trials there. for whites
        According to Russian policy - if the country's leadership is convinced of the potential danger of an object being built in the neighboring territory for its citizens, its duty is to prevent the launch of this building by any means - diplomatic, economic (sanctions) and, if not effective, military.
        1. Nikolay73
          Nikolay73 April 29 2019 13: 43
          +5
          There remains only one question, and what were the Poles, Bulgarians, Serbs, Slovaks not good for? I am sure there is something different here ... but about "by any means" - we are not accused of anything ... and we, as our commander-in-chief said, honor the UN Charter, even though we have already been hinted at ...
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 April 30 2019 21: 15
            -1
            Quote: Nikolay73
            There is only one question left, but what did the Poles, Bulgarians, Serbs, Slovaks not do? I'm sure there is something else ..

            Right! this is a fake, of the state level, America is generally the highest specialist in fake! Like their "star shield" program, this is when we shoot down our rockets with a laser from space and fly to the moon ...
          2. Vladimir 5
            Vladimir 5 2 May 2019 18: 48
            +2
            Nikolai73 ... The Western Slavs already have some differences, but in fact the goal, mainly Russia ... By this and closer to the goal are being built. and it’s not necessary to immediately use genetic weapons, for an economic pandemic to begin with, like the Swine African Plague, which so strange arose for the first time on the border of Georgia and the Russian Federation ... Perhaps more cunning pandemics will emerge ... , it is necessary to block such a program with oxygen completely and by any means ...
    3. NordUral
      NordUral April 29 2019 14: 50
      +6
      Not really, Krasnodar. I do not argue that this also takes place, but this is not the main goal, the object of all these manipulations with the health of our former fellow citizens is us.
    4. Evgesev
      Evgesev 2 May 2019 09: 24
      0
      Yes, they just pour candles there, Th.
  2. knn54
    knn54 April 29 2019 07: 25
    +16
    Tobacco, alcohol, drugs (especially fakes) are a type of genetic weapon.
    1. machinistvl
      machinistvl April 29 2019 09: 28
      +11
      I really want the Americans to do nothing, because bacteriological weapons are not inferior to nuclear ones. And it’s hard to fight it, you have to crush it in the bud, destroying the laboratory.
      1. sgrabik
        sgrabik April 29 2019 11: 53
        +2
        Destroying laboratories is only one of the methods, and the most primitive one, the most important thing is to be fully prepared for the most dangerous and adverse consequences of the widespread use of biological weapons by our opponents, and for this we need to conduct special research, develop our biological science, and our troops chemical and biological protection, to save on such crucial issues as the biological security of the state, which means risking the life and health of the entire population of Russia.
      2. Dzungar
        Dzungar April 29 2019 13: 43
        -1
        destroying laboratories.
        This is tantamount to a declaration of war ...... unless prepared, and at the time of the outbreak of war, until the infection spread ..........
      3. NordUral
        NordUral April 29 2019 14: 51
        +2
        It is necessary to develop an antidote, as well as a weapon against overseas good-natured people.
      4. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 30 2019 21: 16
        -2
        calm down, nothing will work lol
    2. A1845
      A1845 April 29 2019 09: 52
      +9
      Quote: knn54
      Tobacco, alcohol, drugs (especially fakes) are a type of genetic weapon.

      and also news sites
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 April 29 2019 10: 11
        +2
        Wait a minute! And the TV? Channel can be emphasized at will! hi
    3. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 1 May 2019 20: 09
      0
      Quote: knn54
      Tobacco, alcohol, drugs (especially fakes) are a type of genetic weapon.

      absolutely sure that tobacco, alcohol and drugs are not a genetic weapon! smile Tobacco is a neurotropic drug that affects the autonomic nervous system and causes withdrawal symptoms, alcohol drugs - drugs that affect the perception of reality, giving a taste of gray life, somewhat similar to computer games, which are a substitute for this very reality.
      A genetic weapon is a fake. After all, in order to affect the genes of Russians, they need to be reached, with the help of a virus, for example, the virus must multiply in human cells, replacing the genetic determinants inherent to the Slavs in DNA, the main or ribosomal one. Even if we assume that there are such epitopes characteristic only for Russians! any virologist or geneticist with a half a kilometer can see the fake nature of such news. Viruses are creatures of nature, any interference with them entails such a huge number of animation options that you can be 100% sure that this virus will return and kill the creator!
      Given the general mainstream to the fact that everything is very bad BUT! it could be even worse, any fakes are picked up by the media and even the Kremlin and are exaggerated, exaggerated ......................
    4. Evgesev
      Evgesev 2 May 2019 09: 28
      -1
      Even without fakes, alcohol, tobacco, drugs are weapons of genocide.
  3. Sailor
    Sailor April 29 2019 07: 27
    +2
    I wonder where we are in this twenty, does anyone know?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech April 29 2019 07: 31
      +5
      Quote: Sailor
      I wonder where we are in this twenty, does anyone know?

      Somewhere below ... add to the article.
      The United States recently refused a visa to our chemical weapons expert to speak at the UN ... a landmark event.


      https://politexpert.net/149959-ssha-otkazali-v-vize-konsultantu-genseka-oon-ot-rossii?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
  4. lopvlad
    lopvlad April 29 2019 07: 33
    +22
    There is nothing to defend.


    and someone is trying to defend themselves? Are we imposing sanctions against the former Soviet republics on the appearance on their territory of American military biological laboratories?
    For me, the Russian government frankly does not care what will happen to the people, the main thing is that they feel good.
    If this were not so, then in Russian stores there would be no products made from industrial palm oil that were transported in containers from petroleum products and dealers who did this would sit on Kolyma jauntily throwing a snowball.
    1. depressant
      depressant April 29 2019 09: 10
      +23
      Exactly. The current generation has no idea what real sour cream is, as well as cottage cheese. Both are varieties of palm oil, with countless E's to add a slightly similar flavor. And other food products - they are entirely chemistry. But the Ministry of Agriculture happily reported on the growth of agricultural production. And when the Accounts Chamber got into the affairs of their office, it turned out that 625 billion rubles was not growth, but profit from the sale of a palm tree under the guise of acceptable food. Here, the States do not need to strain themselves with their biological laboratories - the Russian government does all the work for them. For we, the people of Russia, are not only not needed by the States, but also conditionally by our government. Conditionally ours.
      1. A1845
        A1845 April 29 2019 10: 28
        +1
        Quote: depressant
        sour cream, as well as cottage cheese. Both are palm oil varieties.

        Be carefull!
      2. Den717
        Den717 April 29 2019 11: 18
        -5
        Quote: depressant
        Both are varieties of palm oil with countless E's to add a slightly similar flavor

        And you, excuse me, in which laboratory do you receive information? Yesterday I looked about sour cream, there are no palm trees ... The Ministry of Agriculture can in numbers and lied, like everyone else, including you, but the trend is on the face.
        1. depressant
          depressant April 29 2019 12: 10
          +4
          Do you think that enterprises do not know when they come to them with verification? Especially if the examination is organized for a television broadcast? They are immediately advised so that whatever sample you take is a natural product! Especially if the product’s advertising is paid to TV people. This is felt in the store! Take pasteurized milk in soft packaging, and it’s like with the addition of chalk, with a strange taste. And another day is the present. The first is when it is done uncontrollably. The second is when there is control. The other day I took sour cream, and she is a real cottage cheese, wiped to a finely dispersed state, which was produced for this case, but mixed with a palm tree - you can’t deceive the taste! Do not believe television, deeply cynical people work there. Especially those who declare the special honesty of their expertise.
          1. Den717
            Den717 April 29 2019 12: 31
            -3
            Quote: depressant
            Do not believe television, deeply cynical people work there

            Why should I believe you? How are you different from them?
          2. vlad106
            vlad106 4 May 2019 10: 08
            0
            Quote: depressant
            Do not believe television, deeply cynical people work there.

            Tel Avidia cannot be trusted at all
        2. NordUral
          NordUral April 30 2019 00: 22
          +8
          Den717! It is possible that you are just young and you don’t know the taste of natural products (although even then they were not 100% natural). years through 15-20, our grandchildren will believe that the products of the present are the most natural, and they travel only rubbish.
          1. Den717
            Den717 2 May 2019 09: 26
            -2
            Quote: NordUral
            It is possible that you are just young and the taste of natural products (although even then they were not 100% natural) just do not know.

            I am so young that I remember the Andropovka at 4,70. That still "cramp". You, apparently, are ready to come to terms with only limited technical progress. Do not sing the hostility to adding machines and bone counting, a rotary dial telephone. And progress is everywhere, including in the food industry. By the way, tales about toilet paper instead of meat in sausage began not yesterday, but back in the days that you remember vigorously. It was just that the technologies of that time did not allow converting a mass of protein from ground cockroaches into ground beef. It's better not to think about taste at all. Liver sausage in the mid-70s was completely natural, but so nasty that until you overcook it with onions, it was simply not possible to eat it. Taste is a purely subjective thing, and it is wrong to appeal to it. I will not talk about Abakan, China is very close there, Chinese "food traditions" are well known. For example, in the Sertolovsky sausage shop (when he was still working) the sausage was with meat, but it tasted full ..... (for my taste laughing )
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad 4 May 2019 00: 41
              +2
              Quote: Den717
              And there is progress everywhere, including in the food industry.


              only now your body cannot quickly and painlessly take under the visor to switch from Soviet guests according to which the composition of products should contain natural components to guests according to which the products may contain everything that is not prohibited by law. > cell mutation (oncology) -> corpse in the morgue. Cancer centers growing like mushrooms throughout Russia + 2nd place in the world in the number of oncological diseases is a sure sign that progress is not always appropriate and useful.
              And we still do not affect the mutation of germ cells that has turned us into a sick and dying nation. And the danger here is not that mortality exceeds fertility, but that already sick children are born who will have to live on drugs all their lives.
              1. Den717
                Den717 4 May 2019 07: 24
                -4
                Quote: lopvlad
                only your body can’t quickly and painlessly take it under a visor to switch from Soviet guests on which the products should contain natural components to guests on which products can be anything that is not prohibited by law.

                ABOUT! So you are the luminary of medicine! They fight there in search of the causes of oncology with entire institutes, and you are all on the shelves and ready! You send your post to the Nobel Committee, they will help. And with germ cell mutations too. But seriously, I don’t want to discuss highly specialized topics with “doctors of related sciences”. I don't like living in inappropriate progress - there is a way out, and there are tribes in Africa who still do not know either chemistry or smartphones. True, sometimes the corpses of neighbors are eaten, but this is natural, "organic" .....
        3. minus
          minus April 30 2019 10: 31
          +6
          He worked in sausage production for more than 10 years. Crossing on work with milk and brewing and alcohol. Well, at best, in 90% of sausages, not more than 10% of meat. Now basically it’s mechanically deboned chicken meat + flavorings .... In Abakan, for example, one company produces mutton dumplings (judging by the inscription on the package), in which there is no other meat in addition to chicken ... Powder beer, milk is almost all powder. And in the production of alcohol, so many enzymes, alkali acids and phenol are used that it is better not to know about this .....
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 2 May 2019 10: 39
            +2
            Everyone remembers what is closer to him. Cockroaches and andropovka - this is what you remember from your youth, not a lot.
            1. Den717
              Den717 6 May 2019 08: 32
              -2
              Quote: NordUral
              this is what you remember from your youth, not a lot.

              I remember a lot more than you think. Especially propagandists like you, who take a few words out of context, distort and pass off as a deep thought in the hope of the approval of others. This is how the "excellent country" was slapped in rhetoric. To repeat this, however, does not threaten you because of the smallness of the scale.
              1. NordUral
                NordUral 6 May 2019 09: 07
                +1
                Den717! I’m a simple techie, I’ve never been involved in propaganda, it’s not mine. I’m just fending off my hemp from those who are very brazenly lying about my country.
                1. Den717
                  Den717 6 May 2019 10: 45
                  -2
                  Quote: NordUral
                  I’m just fending off my hemp from those who are very brazenly lying about my country.

                  To fight off liars, you need to know the truth well. Otherwise, you will grind more of your enemies instead of enemies. But the truth is, it is a complex thing, especially a historical one. It is not easy for specialists to understand it, and therefore it is necessary to constantly study it and strive to improve the "forms of protection", i.e. be expressed in correct terms, observe logical chains and elementary norms of ethics of written communication. IMHO
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral 6 May 2019 19: 29
                    +1
                    Den717, you bored me with your teachings. Till!
                    1. Den717
                      Den717 6 May 2019 20: 12
                      -2
                      Quote: NordUral
                      you bored me with your teachings

                      And you to me - with your frivolity and inadequate assessments addressed to me.
        4. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 4 May 2019 21: 03
          0
          Quote: Den717
          And you, excuse me, in which laboratory do you receive information? Yesterday I looked about sour cream, there are no palm trees there.

          You do not use the media, but the eyes! go to the supermarket and look at the butter! look for 100% cream in the composition. You tire of looking ...
          1. Den717
            Den717 4 May 2019 21: 15
            0
            Quote: aybolyt678
            You do not use the media, but the eyes!

            At one time, there was a lot of Finnish oil near the house. Great oil. Although with vegetable additives. You can search for 100% at least all your life, this does not guarantee a high-quality and tasty product. You have some primitive idea of ​​a safe product. On the tastes of arguing bad taste. In general, food for me is not the goal of life, but a means. The fact that today chemistry and technology makes it possible to liken edible to inedible is known. But to say that all products are dangerous and fake is too early.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 6 May 2019 08: 10
              +1
              Engels also said that life is a way of existence of protein bodies as a result of chemical and physical reactions. Chemistry is an integral part of life.
              Although 100% cream is much tastier than chemical products, and much more useful, the only harm from them is that you can eat a quantity that is harmful to health. I say this as a person living in the countryside.
              I see the main harm of palm oil in that palm trees do not grow in Russia. Buying a cheap product abroad, we leave our cows without work! laughing
              1. Den717
                Den717 6 May 2019 08: 27
                0
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Although 100% cream is much tastier than chemical products, and much more useful, the only harm from them is that you can eat a quantity that is harmful to health.

                Safety, taste and quality are not always the same characteristics. At the level of an ordinary consumer, the quality and safety of a product can be very difficult to determine. Talking about taste, too, is unnecessary - everyone can appreciate it in their own way. It remains to rely on indirect factors - personal experience, manufacturer's reputation, a wide amount of third-party information. Remember the actress who played Frosya Burlakova? I picked up brucellosis in milk from the market, and no chemicals and palm trees, a solid natural product. Everywhere there is a place ... for violations of technology (production, storage, processing, etc.). A part of my body with "pincers" was cut out the other day, not a single doctor, even with a professorship, said what the sore was from, and what to do to prevent it from recurring. But it was recommended to refrain from milk fat in products (butter, cream, cottage cheese) even in medium quantities. Here's the cream for you 100%.
      3. astepanov
        astepanov April 29 2019 12: 21
        +1
        Quote: depressant
        And other food products - they are all chemistry.

        I will disappoint you: products of the most "natural" origin are also continuous "chemistry", since they consist of chemical compounds, and only of them. As for all kinds of "E", then even quite harmless table salt also belongs to these "E", as well as starch, ascorbic acid ... A lot of substances that appear as additives are also in the most natural products: lemon, vinegar, malic acid, oxalic acid - in fruits and vegetables, lactic acid - in fermented milk products, tartaric acid and tartrates - in wine and grapes, etc. You don't need to listen to marketers who are fooling around, but read the experts! Product quality problems lie mostly not in "E", but in the activities of marketers! When, for example, instead of edible palm oil they slip technical.
        Regarding the article: the author mixed in one pile race, nation, ethnic group and nationality - and this is alarming. Does he really understand what he is talking about? Or understands superficially? Can you trust him? I don’t know, because he’s definitely a layman.
        But the lag of Russian genetics from the world is already a problem, and, having begun under Stalin, this situation persisted until the mid-sixties. Who is to blame for this? There is one more legislative problem: in Russia it is forbidden to grow genetically modified organisms for commercial purposes, but you can buy and sell them. It turns out that, for example, it is impossible to produce insulin and some hormones, but it is possible to buy and bottle the insulin produced "there". You cannot produce genetically modified food products, but you can import them "from there". And this is direct lobbying for the interests of foreign producers, because they obviously have more productive livestock, plants, etc. Enemies, as always, are in the Duma and the government.
        And I would listen to the opinion of Gelfand. Nevertheless, he is a specialist of a much higher level than we together.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 29 2019 14: 58
          +6
          astepanov! Do not tell us that the gift of God and the scrambled eggs are one and the same thing (this is by supplement). But I agree with many of your thoughts.
          1. astepanov
            astepanov April 29 2019 15: 13
            0
            Quote: NordUral
            Do not inspire us

            Arguing, not la la. Does salt stop you? Citric or sorbic acid? ? Sodium lactate? What exactly and with what?
            1. NordUral
              NordUral April 29 2019 20: 18
              +6
              astepanov! You named those additives that the supporters of flavoring and masking food additives bring. Can expand the list for reliable evidence of your words? And there are far from all such useful substances (with moderate use).

              1. NordUral
                NordUral April 29 2019 20: 25
                +4
                I will help on harmful:
                1. astepanov
                  astepanov April 29 2019 21: 34
                  +2
                  Let's start in order:
                  E123 - prohibited in the Russian Federation.
                  E102 (tartrosine) is not a "dangerous" additive, but simply unpleasant. Harmful at a concentration of more than 150 mg / kg of the product. It is never used in such quantities. It is almost never found in products, because it is replaced with non-toxic plant curcumin.
                  The possible carcinogenicity of the dye E 110 does not exceed the level of carcinogenicity of fried meat.
                  E120 - carmine, a natural food supplement of animal origin. Known and used since antiquity. No harmful effects were found.
                  E510 - ordinary ammonium chloride. As a chemist with 40 years of experience I’ll say: a harmless substance, the Norwegians use it instead of salt. And live longer than ours. The effect on the body is similar to the usual baking powder, known to every hostess.
                  E513 - sulfuric acid. Sounds scary, doesn't it? If you drink at least a dozen drops, death is inevitable. The trick is that when diluted it is ABSOLUTELY safe. As, for example, and hydrochloric, which is in our stomach. Only sulfuric acid is diluted much more than gastric juice. It tastes like ordinary sour water, acidity regulator.
                  Etc. If the "especially dangerous" substances from this table are so harmless, then what are the rest? Eat boldly. I am 66 years old, a blizzard is all in a row and still doing the CCM in the barbell. And do not listen to marketers, otherwise their aluminum dishes are deadly, and pans with non-stick coating ... To plant these talkers, they will strangle their mother for a penny.
                  1. NordUral
                    NordUral April 30 2019 00: 10
                    +6
                    Took it at random - In some countries of the European Union, it is added to bread, bakery products, pasta, baker's yeast, berry and fruit wines. In Finland and Norway, ammonium chloride is used as a seasoning for fish. It can also be found in licorice sweets. However, to date, ammonium chloride is practically excluded from their list of popular food additives. There is a lot of controversial talk about the balance between harm and benefit, but most experts are critical of this food supplement.

                    Source: https://vesvnorme.net/zdorovoe-pitanie/hlorid-ammonija.html
                    This is without elaboration of the issue.

                    It all depends on the application, concentrations and combinations in the products, etc.
                    And I’m a little over 70, but I don’t get a blizzard, just as I don’t dabble in diets with pills, I eat, if possible, simple foods. But it is with them that the big problem is today.
                    1. minus
                      minus April 30 2019 10: 45
                      +3
                      ± +++++ to you. But people aged are easier. Previously, such volumes of chemistry were not used ... But now from an early age they poison. Mother has a huge experience in pediatrics, the RSFSR excellent health worker directly declares that before there were not so many oncological diseases, gastroenterological and pulmonary diseases. And the overall health of the children was much better.
                      1. NordUral
                        NordUral April 30 2019 10: 57
                        +1
                        Evgeniy! It's all about the social order. In the USSR, the task was to feed the people satisfyingly and usefully, and also tasty. And in the Russian Federation, food production is another way to make a profit. The quality of the product is out of the question. The main thing is to give it an attractive look and taste, and from what this product is a dark matter. True, this applies only to the people, and the "elite" of the Russian Federation (and throughout the world) eats quality products.
                        The tops have long realized that food can also be a weapon of mass destruction.
                      2. Polymer
                        Polymer 5 May 2019 20: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: NordUral
                        In the USSR, the task was satisfying and useful to feed the people, and also tasty

                        In the USSR, the leading slogan of medicine was "the disease is easier to prevent than to cure later," the emphasis was on health. Now it is different - prevention of diseases is economically unprofitable, but prolonged treatment is profitable.
        2. lopvlad
          lopvlad 4 May 2019 00: 51
          +1
          Quote: astepanov
          also continuous "chemistry", since they consist of chemical compounds, and only of them.


          a chemical compound as a result of natural biological processes (souring, fermentation, etc.) and a chemical compound as a result of and from components created by man are two completely different things.
          1. astepanov
            astepanov 15 May 2019 00: 19
            0
            Quote: lopvlad
            a chemical compound as a result of natural biological processes (souring, fermentation, etc.) and a chemical compound as a result of and from components created by man are two completely different things.

            Do not smack nonsense, do not disgrace. The basic law of chemistry: the properties of the compounds do not depend on the method of their preparation. Otherwise, chemistry as a science would die without being born. Open the school textbook and try to be at least slightly responsible for those words that you write.
      4. NordUral
        NordUral April 29 2019 14: 53
        +2
        Ahead, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, almost verbatim wanted to write about the poison that we are being extorted from. With such power, there is no need for enemies.
    2. Evgesev
      Evgesev 2 May 2019 09: 34
      -1
      By the way, a very option, starting from sanctions, is to start negotiations with the CIS republics on the elimination of such laboratories or, at worst, the admission of our specialists.
  5. Saffron
    Saffron April 29 2019 07: 34
    +3
    Americans believe that they can make some genetically modified viruses that will act on one race

    And since international law does not work in this area, there is only hope for our intelligence to receive timely information in this area
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  7. betta
    betta April 29 2019 08: 06
    +3
    In vain so about Lysenko and Vavilov. Lysenko was a practitioner and his developments gave a quick and tangible result, in addition to this, students loved him, easy to communicate, open. And Vavilov was put for embezzlement of folk remedies. Well, he was like the opposite of Lysenko. The human factor played here, firstly, secondly, the country needed a quick result. So they put it on Lysenko.
    1. Evgeny Fedorov
      April 29 2019 08: 22
      0
      Bravo! I applaud standing up to another adherent Trofim Lysenko!
      1. betta
        betta April 29 2019 08: 27
        +2
        How are you me! Read real stories, not composed in perestroika.
        1. Evgeny Fedorov
          April 29 2019 08: 52
          +2
          Really curious. Tell me, what is worth getting to know in order to realize all the genius of Lysenko? I recommend you the book by Raisa Lvovna Berg "Sukhovey". Not written for perestroika.
          1. betta
            betta April 29 2019 09: 04
            +1
            Who told you about genius? May be talented. It seems that the magazine Science and Life described this story in great detail, which year I no longer remember.
            1. Evgeny Fedorov
              April 29 2019 09: 10
              +8
              Well, since you "seem to be in Science and Life", then I recommend a couple more books: Soifer V. N. Power and Science. The history of the communist defeat of genetics in the USSR
              and V. Dudintsev. "White clothes".
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 April 29 2019 10: 23
                +4
                Sorry, I’m certainly not a theorist, but in my opinion the journal * Science and life * is a more powerful argument than * white clothes * V. Dudintseva
                1. Evgeny Fedorov
                  April 29 2019 11: 05
                  0
                  Of course, considering that Science and Life in those days could well have danced to the tune of Lysenko's followers.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 April 29 2019 11: 28
                    +4
                    * science and life * during its existence dances to the same tune precisely to * science and life *. Non-partisan, excuse me.
                  2. betta
                    betta April 29 2019 12: 52
                    +1
                    C'mon, stir up the affairs of bygone days, especially since Vavilov ultimately thought strategically.
                2. astepanov
                  astepanov April 30 2019 09: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Phil77
                  but in my opinion the journal * Science and life * is a more weighty argument than * white clothes * Dudintseva V.D.

                  And you look here: http://lib.ru/DIALEKTIKA/washniil.txt
                  Text of the report by T.D. Lysenko at the Session of the All-Union Agricultural Academy-1948 "On the Situation in Biological Science". Such, judging by the report, your bastard Lysenko, that there is nowhere to put samples. Intriguer, politician and fantastic ignoramus who criticizes people who are incomparably more powerful in intellect and conscience. Here he is, Sharikov, from cleaning his way to the very top. Students, you say, loved Lysenko? Well, Sharikov played the balalaika very well too.
              2. NordUral
                NordUral April 29 2019 20: 30
                +1
                Well, yes, only Dudintsev’s lead. Great argument.
                And the truth is that we are all people, even geniuses are just talented. As leaders, as scientists, and as a simple engineer or hard worker.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 April 29 2019 10: 36
          +1
          Alexander! I applaud you! This is an argument !!!
    2. tatra
      tatra April 29 2019 08: 26
      -2
      The enemies of the communists do not understand and do not want to understand. They have everything strictly according to the "program" - if a person is repressed by the Romanovs, then he is a priori a criminal, if by the communists, then he is a priori "the best, most hard-working, gene pool and flower of the nation."
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 April 29 2019 10: 15
        +2
        Sorry, but you yourself are not tired of seeing the machinations * of the enemies of the Communists * everywhere?
        1. tatra
          tatra April 29 2019 10: 25
          -6
          With stupid questions, please do not contact me.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 April 29 2019 10: 33
            +3
            Quote: tatra
            With stupid questions, please do not contact me.

            Dumb? Re-read your comments * solid-stone * protector from afar! what
    3. astepanov
      astepanov April 29 2019 12: 28
      +2
      Quote: betta
      Lysenko was a practitioner and his developments gave a quick and tangible result, in addition to this, students loved him, easy to communicate, open.

      Yeah. But Hitler was loved by dogs and women. And about the fact that Lysenko’s work was a complete rigging of the results, that the practical results were either zero or brought damage to agriculture - did you hear about that? And with what money do you personally assess the ruined participation of this ghoul of life, the destroyed scientific schools, the country's half-century lag in biology? Tell me, very curious.
      1. antique
        antique April 29 2019 22: 04
        0
        Quote: astepanov
        And about the fact that Lysenko’s work was a complete rigging of the results, that the practical results were either zero or brought damage to agriculture - did you hear about that?

        Contribution of TD Lysenko to the victory over fascism. http://stalinism.ru/stalin-i-gosudarstvo/vklad-akademika-td-lyisenko-v-pobedu-v-velikoy-otechestvennoy-voyne.html
    4. NordUral
      NordUral April 29 2019 14: 59
      +1
      Yes, everything is so simple with Lysenko and Vavilov, that's for sure.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral April 29 2019 20: 33
        +2
        not disappeared when printing between so .. definitely.
  8. Vlad 63
    Vlad 63 April 29 2019 08: 12
    0
    From the article
    The trend has become the selective action of viruses and bacteria, which are able to "distinguish" nations and races from each other.
    . Remember the noise two years ago that the US was collecting biological material from Russian citizens? Although it may be paranoia.
    1. depressant
      depressant April 29 2019 10: 18
      +4
      Vlad 63, this is not paranoia. They, the people of Russia, with our eternal demand for justice and kindness in relation to their neighbor, are not really able to destroy us, not knowing how to finally harden. For we do not fit into the vile essence of capitalism and give signals of justice to the rest of the world, thereby violating the gracious picture of the kingdom of the Beast, in which man is wolf to man. The bomb stops! And if so, you need something tricky. Genetics is becoming cunning. Climbed into the diocese of God - get and sign! Instead of using its achievements only for the benefit of man in the form of ways to cure diseases, genetics are successfully adapted to get rid of carriers of justice. I'm not talking about the owners of black and yellow skin. And if blacks, due to the low level of historical development, are not able to defend themselves, then we simply must create the opportunity to protect ourselves. And here I have a natural alarm - does our government understand this? Is my concern adequately aligned with his concern?
      1. bk316
        bk316 April 29 2019 13: 03
        0
        They, the people of Russia, with our eternal demand for justice and kindness in relation to their neighbor, are not really able to destroy us, not knowing how to finally harden.

        Now breathe out and think, "the age-old demands for justice ..." is this a genetic property?
    2. gsev
      gsev 7 May 2019 02: 39
      -1
      Quote: Vlad 63
      Remember the noise two years ago that the US was collecting biological material from Russian citizens? Although it may be paranoia.

      The collection "In Defense of Science" contains an article proving that the hype raised around American laboratories is like a simple falsification. In general, the United States invites all countries to participate in their scientific programs. Russia cannot even use its scientific potential. In general, it is studied to what extent the human genome consists of pure viruses, to what extent it belongs to the human body. There is a theory that the human body is just a nutrient broth for the multiplication of various viruses in the form of human DNA. Only a knowledge of biological science can help assess the danger or the presence of malice in US actions. And it is better to spend money on pure science than immediately on the KGB methods of countering the United States.
  9. tatra
    tatra April 29 2019 08: 12
    -7
    The enemies of the communists not only for 70 years under the communists and 30 years after their seizure of the USSR parasitized and parasitized at the expense of other people's labor, they also have a parasitic mentality. It is wild to imagine that the communists and their supporters, 30 years after the seizure of the country, would be "indignant" that they do not have something and will not have something, because the Romanovs did not create it for them.
    1. bk316
      bk316 April 29 2019 13: 06
      +2
      Wildly imagine

      The Communists for 50 years compared their results with the 13th year - I remember that myself.
      And for some reason, GDP is denied in comparison with 98 for 20 years.

      And I'm also very interested, do you have posts without the phrase "enemies of the communists"?
  10. Speedy
    Speedy April 29 2019 08: 28
    +4
    We, everything related to biological weapons, are seriously classified ... Try to find out how things are, for example, at the State Vector Research Center “Vector” in Koltsovo near Novosibirsk ... You will find out only civilian research .. If you don’t know anyone)). Not so bad and not so critical lag, purchases abroad are more likely a commercial initiative .. The danger is not lagging behind but the proximity of potential foci that the Americans are carefully pushing to the maximum tight to Russia.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 April 29 2019 10: 50
      +3
      Absolutely right! But! Any country defends its interests, and this is a weighty argument, well, in case, you yourself understand what.
  11. Mcar
    Mcar April 29 2019 08: 35
    +14
    Trofim Lysenko's legacy and its consequences

    At the beginning of the story about the creation of a new generation of biological weapons in the West, it is worth remembering why we were in this role as defenders. Trofim Denisovich Lysenko is a key figure who is directly responsible for the fact that at first the Soviet Union and later Russia lagged behind the Western countries in the development of genetics and related sciences for decades. The apotheosis of his wrecking activity was the August session of the All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences of the 1948 year, during which all scientists involved in genetics and biotechnology were finally finished off.

    Rave. And harm.

    For example, ask anyone what they think of Vavilov and Lysenko. Not among young people, of course, who do not know these names at all, but among older people, those who still remember Ogonyok of the late 80s and the film White Clothes.

    They will answer you that Vavilov was a geneticist, and Lysenko was a persecutor of genetics (anyone who wants to show off erudition will add that Lysenko was a “Michurinist”).
    Meanwhile, this has nothing to do with the truth. This is just a stereotype, moreover, stupid, primitive, designed for complete (not even partial, but exactly full!) Ignorance, ignorance of the subject.

    The truth is that both were geneticists.
    Both Lysenko and Vavilov claimed the existence of the genome and the laws of heredity. In principle, they differed only in one thing - the question of the inheritance of acquired properties.

    Vavilov believed that acquired properties are not inherited and the genome remains unchanged throughout the history of its existence. In this he relied on the work of Weismann and Morgan (hence the "Weismann-Morganists").
    Lysenko, on the contrary, argued that the genome can change, fixing the acquired properties. In this he relied on the neo-Darwinism of Lamarck.

    Actually, the dispute between the “Weismannists” and the “Neo-Darwinists” was purely academic. AND it was not a dispute between genetics and antigenetics, but a dispute between two areas in genetics.

    So there was no "persecution of genetics"! Weismanists had troubles, yes, but not at all because they were geneticists, but for a different reason: first, the squandering of state money, and then an attempt to run over their scientific opponents with the involvement of foreign colleagues (the conflict in VASKHNIL was provoked by them, through denunciations, study the primary sources!).

    Modern scientific research fully confirmed the correctness of Lysenko and the fallacy of the views of Vavilov. Yes, the genome is changing! But the most interesting thing is that this had nothing to do with the fate of these two scientists.

    The myth that genetics was destroyed and spread rot in the Union is extremely harmful. It was not genetics as such that they were "thrashed", but false trends in genetics, which the whole world abandoned long ago. To suck out the rationale that the Russian Federation, after more than half a century (!), Is lagging behind the leading countries in this area due to the refusal of false directions in Soviet science is complete nonsense. The author seriously thinks that if we continued to stomp in false, in nowhere leading directions, would we be ahead of the rest of the planet with genetic weapons?

    And then, if in 2019 we lag behind the leading countries in all scientific disciplines, it would be strange if we were at the forefront in one particular science. Yeah. We will be. Here we’ll lower the bar on the exam as well, and we will.
    1. Vinnibuh
      Vinnibuh April 29 2019 08: 55
      +6
      SW McAr, bravo! In a nutshell, you have explained a lot (I without ernism). hi
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 April 29 2019 12: 50
        +4
        As for two words, you, a colleague, got excited, but in essence you are right! Prize to the studio !!!
    2. Evgeny Fedorov
      April 29 2019 08: 55
      -1
      Thank. You can link to scientific works, which proves that the acquired features are inherited and passed on to subsequent generations?
      1. Mcar
        Mcar April 29 2019 09: 34
        +7
        Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
        Can I link to scientific papers, where it is proved that the acquired traits are inherited and passed on to subsequent generations?

        If you know how to use the search, you can easily find what you are looking for. And then I will give a link, but the contents will not like it, and as a result an unnecessary argument. And so, by searching, you can find what you like.

        And as proof that the acquired traits are inherited, I’d better tell you something.

        In the 70s we subscribed to a lot of magazines. Probably 15 to 20 titles. Among them was the journal "Science and Life". In this journal there was a section on foreign science - usually 3-4 short notes about some discoveries abroad. One of these notes impressed me so much that it will be remembered for a lifetime. And the essence is this. The Americans put the genetic test on insects. The silkworm, from the cocoons of which silk is extracted, is so called because it feeds on a monoculture - mulberry or mulberry. That's nothing else, but exclusively this. It was decided to feed the silkworm colony, in a closed space, not with what is written in the family, but with something (I did not remember the name), which is close to the mulberry in structure. The caterpillars of the silkworm, having a little bit of rest, began to eat what they give - fish for fishlessness and cancer.

        What happened in the end? In just three generations:
        - the size of the butterflies decreased by half
        - the shape of the wing has changed
        - changed the pattern on the wings
        In fact, a new species turned out, so different from the "source" that entomologists, unaware of the experiment, refused to believe that it was a silkworm.

        But the most amazing is yet to come.
        First, attempts to mate the "new" and "old" silkworms have failed. The note did not specify what exactly did not work out - the mating process itself or something else, but the offspring could not be obtained.
        Second, the newly bred species began to be fed again with the original food - mulberry, rightly expecting a return to the original size and color. But nothing like that happened. Those. feeding on "native" food, the silkworm did not return to its original state. Thus, the acquired hereditary traits were fixed.

        And that’s in just three generations!
        To people. Over the past 50-100 years, the structure of human nutrition has changed tremendously. Yes, perhaps the human genome is more complex than the insect genome, and three generations are not enough for a fundamental change. But that they are, that they occur, I am sure. What will result in a change in the structure of human nutrition can be judged by the experiment from the 70s.
        1. Evgeny Fedorov
          April 29 2019 10: 13
          -3
          Thank. Inheritance of acquired traits implies the following. Lost a man finger, and his son was also born without it. In old age, a man turned gray, his daughter was born blonde. The Norwegian family moved to Egypt and they went tanned all their lives - a mulatto child was born. Watched it? If yes, then Lysenko is right. Understand that the inheritance of acquired traits over 20-40 generations will blur the boundaries of the species so that no one can interbreed with anyone. The concept of a species will cease to exist. And read the classics of genetics like Dubinin.
          1. Mcar
            Mcar April 29 2019 10: 46
            +6
            Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
            Inheritance of acquired characteristics implies the following. A man lost a finger, and his son was also born without one. In old age, the man turned gray, his daughter was born blonde. The Norwegian family moved to Egypt and all their lives they went tanned - a child was born a mulatto. Have you seen this? If so, then Lysenko is right.

            Lysenko never claimed this, do not invent.

            Lysenko believed that the main factor of heredity is not "mythical genes", but the action of the external environment. I.e light, temperature, soil and other conditions combined with heredity and form the plant.

            If you are seriously interested in genetics, then you just need to get acquainted with the Wave Genetics of Garyaev. Wave genetics takes the concept of GENA to the quantum level and actually deduces classical genetics from the experimental-theoretical impasse. Wave genetics, in principle, can cure ANY disease and prolong the life of people for an indefinitely long time. Maybe that's why the officialdom led by Wikipedia considers Garyaev a pseudo-scientist?
            1. Evgeny Fedorov
              April 29 2019 10: 49
              -5
              I do not claim that these are the words of Lysenko. Just an extrapolation of his views on man. But after your mention of wave genetics I have no more questions.
              1. Mcar
                Mcar April 29 2019 11: 05
                +10
                Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
                But after your mention of wave genetics, I have no more questions.

                This is bad. It's very bad when "I have no questions". The absence of questions turns science into a religion. Think about it.
              2. bk316
                bk316 April 29 2019 13: 12
                +2
                But after your mention of wave genetics, I have no more questions.

                Similarly, I already thought a competent person appeared to defend Lysenko, and here you have "wave genetics", now torsion fields and nibiru will go. belay
                1. Mcar
                  Mcar April 30 2019 06: 49
                  -1
                  Quote: bk316
                  Similarly, I already thought a competent person appeared to defend Lysenko, and here you have "wave genetics", now torsion fields and nibiru will go.

                  When a person clever, he looks like a jester.


      2. Galleon
        Galleon April 29 2019 09: 58
        +4
        If this is really so interesting to you, maybe you will become the first person on the VO who climbed into the topic himself and began to understand on his own? And he did not require surnames, references, statistics or a popular retelling of scientific works.
        1. Evgeny Fedorov
          April 29 2019 10: 04
          -1
          And what is there to understand? Inheritance of acquired traits is nonsense and period! I don’t want to spend time searching for outright lies on the Internet, so I’m asking for links to scientific and necessarily reviewed works. And so you can shake the air about anything. For example, about the ability of water to memorize information.
          1. Mcar
            Mcar April 29 2019 10: 33
            +6
            Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
            I ask for links to scientific and necessarily peer-reviewed papers

            At one time, lobotomy was considered a scientific method of treating certain mental disorders. Any scientist who dared to question this scientific method of treatment would immediately be obstructed by the scientific fraternity. Any neurosurgeon had to be able to do such operations. This means that many hours of study were devoted to the study of this "scientific" method.

            Doesn't it seem crazy to you to blindly worship "scientific and necessarily peer-reviewed works"? Especially when common sense contradicts "scientific"?
            1. Evgeny Fedorov
              April 29 2019 11: 02
              +1
              Lobotomy was considered a good method of treatment, since others were not so effective. And you are wrong - there were objections, including in the USSR (Professor V. A. Gilyarovsky). But they were not imprisoned or expelled from science, as Lysenko did, but listened and listened. As a result, the disadvantages of lobotomy outweighed the pros and they abandoned this method. You can also give an example of DDT - there, too, everything was originally in chocolate. Of course, any blind worship is bad. But how do you order to check for near-science nonsense of the type of wave genetics, if you do not check with the opinion of world-famous scientists? Which, among other things, is able to experimentally verify this or that information. Remember, there are only a few dozen scientific journals in the world that you should still believe. The best of them are Nature and Science. I can also recommend a large cycle of books from the domestic series Elements.
              1. Mcar
                Mcar April 29 2019 11: 38
                +3
                Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
                But how do you order to check near-scientific nonsense like wave genetics, if you do not consult the opinions of world-famous scientists? Which, among other things, is able to experimentally verify this or that information.

                1. This is not near-scientific nonsense, namely an EXPERIMENTALLY proven fact. Starting from telegonia and ending with the restoration of completely killed organs in rats.
                2. Opinion and experience are two different things. Garyaev experimentally proved the existence of a lingua-wave effect in genetics, but what do opponents have besides opinions based on hypotheses?

                Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
                Remember, there are only a few dozen scientific journals in the world that are worth believing.

                If we lived in the Middle Ages, you obviously would have inspired everyone that the Earth is flat, standing on three elephants that stand on a turtle ... You need to be afraid not to fall out of the trend by which the shepherd leads a herd of sheep, but you need to be afraid of captivity of scientific dogmas, which science itself and inhibit.

                PS. Science cannot answer the simplest questions, for example, what is electricity (a theory was invented, and what it really is nobody knows), not to mention more, and you are bothering about some "reviews" ...
                1. Evgeny Fedorov
                  April 29 2019 11: 52
                  0
                  Thank. Got it. Your arguments completely satisfied and convinced me.
                2. bk316
                  bk316 April 29 2019 15: 54
                  -1
                  If we lived in the Middle Ages, you obviously would have inspired everyone that the Earth is flat, stands on three elephants that stand on a turtle ...

                  My God, the refector of the foundations of science !!! You would at least in the MOST AZA studied the history of what you are going to refute. In the Middle Ages, scientists did not consider the Earth to be flat; in the Middle Ages, the cosmogony of Ptolemy dominated - according to it, the earth is a sphere.
                  You need to be afraid of dense people like you, ignoramuses indicating where science should go.
                  1. Mcar
                    Mcar April 29 2019 16: 39
                    +4
                    Quote: bk316
                    In the Middle Ages, scientists did not consider the Earth to be flat; in the Middle Ages, the cosmogony of Ptolemy dominated - according to it, the earth is a sphere.

                    Nevertheless, in Russia the concept of a flat earth was considered on a par with the geocentric picture of the world until the XNUMXth century.

                    Quote: bk316
                    You need to be afraid of dense people like you, ignoramuses indicating where science should go.

                    To formulate weakly, where did I point? Or did you find your language in the trash?
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 April 29 2019 17: 10
                      +1
                      To formulate weakly, where did I point?

                      All that you indicated about genetics. About electricity, too cool. But especially about the development of science. You just how to tell you this ... well, however, I already said - ignoramus. This is not a curse word but a classification.
                      Justified.
                      To indicate how science should develop, what slows it down and what, on the contrary, you need to first find out what science is, what is the criterion of scientificness and what are the criteria for the development of science. To learn not from the point of view of the layman, but from every layman his own common sense, to know from a scientific point of view (there is such a science of epistemology).
                      It is still not bad to study this in development; this is the subject of a discipline called the history of science. In the days of the USSR, before defending a candidate's thesis, it was necessary to pass "minima", including those on the theory of knowledge and the history of science. Therefore, scientists did not "climb into the wick" but had a fairly harmonious picture of the world, unfortunately now it is not so. From here and
                      It is not necessary to be afraid of falling out of the trend by which the shepherd leads a herd of sheep, but it is necessary to be afraid of the captivity of scientific dogmas that inhibit science itself.

                      as applied to wave genetics.
                      1. Mcar
                        Mcar April 29 2019 17: 39
                        +1
                        Quote: bk316
                        To formulate weakly, where did I point?

                        All that you indicated about genetics. About electricity, too cool. But especially about the development of science.

                        Once again for especially scientists:
                        1. What have I pointed out about genetics?
                        2. What is wrong I said about electricity?
                        3. What exactly did I say about the development of science?

                        If you recognize questions for instructions, it means not only the language, but also the brains in the trash.

                        Quote: bk316
                        To indicate how science should develop, what slows it down and what, on the contrary, you need to first find out what science is.

                        Do you think so?

                        So, in order to understand, for example, that the airwaves were once banned for the sake of THAT and this threw the whole science back, you need ... what? What does it take to begin to understand the word "ban"? Doctoral dissertation? Tesla proved and showed by practice the existence of the ether. Who else but the scientific luminaries of that time banned it? Or were it not the scientists who banned it, but the janitors with the cooks?

                        If history is also a science, is it known to the hypercenter that the prevailing theory of the origin of man from Africa in science is false from beginning to end? Does the archaeological husband know that she was born from the assumption of one person, and is still not confirmed? And how many thousands of dissertations on this subject are protected, can you imagine? That's about it in almost everything.

                        Modern science is not much different from religion. Through it is ossified, entirely built on hypotheses and speculative constructions (even a DNA strand is just an imagined visual image, and nobody really knows how it looks like), which does not give the slightest chance of moving forward. Unable to give a reasonable answer to any question - it can give a scientific answer, but not a reasonable one.

                        So instead of rumbling with science-like terminology, if such a scientist, they could try to answer at least one question. I understand looking easier than being. But who said that the path to truth is easy?
                      2. bk316
                        bk316 April 29 2019 19: 14
                        +1
                        1. What have I pointed out about genetics?

                        Wave genetics takes the concept of GENE to the quantum level


                        2. What is wrong I said about electricity?

                        Science cannot answer the simplest questions, for example, what is electricity


                        3. What exactly did I say about the development of science?

                        one must not be afraid of falling out of the trend by which the shepherd leads a herd of sheep, but one must be afraid of the captivity of scientific dogmas that inhibit science itself.





                        I understand looking easier than being. But who said that the path to truth is easy?

                        What pathos, right "but still it turns."
                        Wasting your time, alas, I'm not a scientist. laughing It’s just that I once studied well at a good educational institution.




                        ps
                        If history is also a science, is it known to the hypercenter that the prevailing theory of the origin of man from Africa in science is false from beginning to end?

                        Well, stop making me laugh already - history does not deal with the origin of man; physical anthropology deals with it. History in general from a different field is humanitarian science, physical anthropology is a part of biology.


                        Tesla proved by practice and showed the existence of ether.

                        Yah? Will you give proof?


                        a DNA chain is just an imagined visual image, and nobody really knows what it looks like

                        Something and what is this?


                        All is enough now start about NIBIRA ..... or about the perpetual motion machine? belay
                      3. Mcar
                        Mcar April 30 2019 05: 42
                        0
                        Quote: bk316
                        1. What have I pointed out about genetics?

                        Wave genetics takes the concept of GENE to the quantum level


                        2. What is wrong I said about electricity?

                        Science cannot answer the simplest questions, for example, what is electricity


                        3. What exactly did I say about the development of science?

                        one must not be afraid of falling out of the trend by which the shepherd leads a herd of sheep, but one must be afraid of the captivity of scientific dogmas that inhibit science itself.


                        1. Why crawl like a thief caught red-handed?
                        Forgot that the conversation is not verbal? You said: “You need to be afraid of those who are dense, ignorant GUIDELINES WHERE SCIENCE MOVES. ". So where in my words could a Russian or Russian-speaking person consider any directions in which direction science should move? Did you happen to accidentally hit a balcony on a little girl in your childhood?

                        2. And what is wrong? Well, here we have such a science - for the time being, it does not know what electricity is. Theory was composed, and what it really is, is not known to official science. And you know why? Because ether is prohibited.

                        3. Do you seriously think that it is good to remain captive to dogma? So this is religion - it is all dogmatic. Religions therefore do not develop. If science consists mainly of dogmas, then it will not develop either. Is it really not clear?


                        Quote: bk316
                        If history is also a science, is it known to the hypercenter that the prevailing theory of the origin of man from Africa in science is false from beginning to end?


                        Well, stop making me laugh already - history does not deal with the origin of man; physical anthropology deals with it. History in general from a different field is humanitarian science, physical anthropology is a part of biology.

                        It's easy to make a fool laugh - you show him a finger, he laughs.

                        Physical anthropology, in particular, the section of anthropogenesis, is studying the origin of man from the monkey. So, this theory is completely false. It is not based on anything, except for fraud and cheating. What I immediately said. And you probably did not understand.

                        Quote: bk316
                        Yah? Will you give proof?

                        It’s boring with you. He doesn’t know elementary things. And I have long been bored to explain about 2 + 2. Here you have the first movie on the topic:

              2. Departure
                Departure April 29 2019 12: 52
                +1
                alas, in the world there is no scientific press that can be blindly trusted at 100%. periodically, foreign publications are accompanied by scandals with drawn data, for this all you need to believe with caution and in comparison.
                Postscripts and sketches exist everywhere, in Russia, unfortunately, this is a scourge.
                the most common cheating option in the world, when the author indicates the wrong methodology / conditions for the experiment, so as not to produce competitors.
          2. depressant
            depressant April 29 2019 11: 30
            +5
            Dear Author!
            But what about James Watson himself, who discovered the structure of DNA? According to which races differ in lQ due to the natural conditions of their habitation, based on the principle "favorable - unfavorable"? The politically correct public pushed the scientist who was more than 50 years in the subject so that he was removed from the position of the boss and forced to publicly doubt his own conclusions, which he did not take from the ceiling? What about the long-term experience of journalist Nicholas Wade, presented in the book "An Inconvenient Legacy"? Not a single racist, he just got interested in the topic. Do you know what kind of fastidious journalists are in the United States, and what large-scale journalistic investigations are carried out there - dangerous and unpredictable in the end. Naturally, Wade, who came to conclusions about an inconvenient truth, was subjected to the same ostracism as Watson, and now you will not find mentions of these people in the Western press. Races differ mentally, different! It's just that a person is not a butterfly. For example, if the races lived in isolation for another couple of million years, they might not have been able to interbreed.
            1. Evgeny Fedorov
              April 29 2019 11: 54
              -1
              Dear reader!
              I did not understand, where does natural selection as the main driving force of evolution and the inheritance of acquired features? What are the examples of semi-racist?
              1. depressant
                depressant April 29 2019 12: 26
                +1
                Author, you see how inconvenient and dangerous science is. wassat No wonder in ancient Egypt it was the lot of priests. If I offended you, sorry, there wasn’t such a goal. hi
        2. bk316
          bk316 April 29 2019 13: 17
          0
          he climbed into the topic and began to figure it out on his own?

          And what is there to understand?

          At the layman’s level, it’s really simple.
          Dubinin N.P. Genetics and Man Enlightenment 1978
          I repent read in my youth.
          A popular science book does not require preparation, after reading at least with Lysenko as a scientist everything is clear.
      3. Phil77
        Phil77 April 29 2019 12: 54
        +3
        Eugene! And when you were preparing the article, were you concerned about materials refuting your version, of course, excluding Dudintsev’s novel?
        1. Evgeny Fedorov
          April 29 2019 12: 58
          -1
          Version of what? Harmful Lysenko?
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 April 29 2019 13: 05
            +3
            Oh, come on, you understood me perfectly! Well, there was no wrecking! There was a dispute between two colleagues, one was faster. Alas, that’s it!
            1. Evgeny Fedorov
              April 29 2019 13: 32
              0
              Nikolai Vavilov discovered the "Law of homologous series in hereditary variability." This, by the way, is a global event. In 1932, Vavilova was elected Vice-President of the VI International Congress on Genetics, held in Ithaca. Just think, a Russian scientist from a half-ruined Russia was elected Vice President of the Congress of this level! And Trofim Lysenko learned to read in 13 years. Where are the colleagues here?
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 April 29 2019 13: 40
                -1
                Eugene! Once again, I urge common sense! Comrade Stalin (no matter how his site colleagues would regard him) would choose the wrong position?! Oh, I doubt it!
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 April 29 2019 13: 47
                  0
                  Eugene! Well, you lost a little, it happens, believe me! Nothing, the main thing is experience! Sincerely, I!
                2. Evgeny Fedorov
                  April 29 2019 13: 48
                  -1
                  Sergey, but I chose the same! Both genetics and cybernetics were declared unfaithful capitalist sciences. I repeat, we are still reaping the fruits of this.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 April 29 2019 13: 59
                    0
                    Eugene! Well, no! I do not agree, excuse me!
                    1. Evgeny Fedorov
                      April 29 2019 14: 06
                      +1
                      The arguments are convincing and reasonable. Thanks for the expert opinion!
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 April 29 2019 14: 17
                        0
                        Yes, okay! You flatter, nasty! JOKE !!!! If anyone thought something?; !!!!
                  2. bk316
                    bk316 April 29 2019 14: 59
                    +2
                    I repeat, we are still reaping the fruits of this.

                    Well, let me as a person directly related to cybernetics stand up for Comrade Stalin. The criticism of cybernetics of repressions among experts did not give rise, it limited itself to sweeping criticism of Wiener. In many respects, we owe this to Beria, who understood that ideology and computers for atomic and missile projects were needed even yesterday.
                  3. antique
                    antique April 29 2019 22: 23
                    +3
                    Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
                    Both genetics and cybernetics have been declared false capitalist sciences. I repeat, we are still reaping the fruits of this.

                    Stalin has nothing to do with it. Enough. Tired. As a person in some proximity to the topic, I can say that by the end of the eighties, we were quite on the level. Molecular biology, genetics, immunology are very well developed. There were academic institutes, specialized and closed institutions. There was a whole system. Somewhere and in something they lagged behind, but on the whole they were quite on the level. Then the crash came. These are questions to Yeltsin and his followers. But Stalin is great. Lysenko brought many benefits. http://stalinism.ru/stalin-i-gosudarstvo/vklad-akademika-td-lyisenko-v-pobedu-v-velikoy-otechestvennoy-voyne.html
                3. bk316
                  bk316 April 29 2019 14: 51
                  +1
                  Stalin (no matter how colleagues on the site belong to him) would choose the wrong position ?!

                  Comrade Stalin, no matter how well I didn’t relate to him EXACTLY at least once chose the wrong position on June 22 sad
                  Everyone can be wrong and great too.
                  Stalin was neither a mathematician nor a biologist.
                4. astepanov
                  astepanov April 30 2019 13: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Phil77
                  Once again I call for common sense! Comrade Stalin would choose the wrong position?! Oh, I doubt it!

                  Of course I wouldn't. As in the song: "Comrade Stalin, you are a great scientist, you know a lot about natural science, and I am a simple Soviet prisoner, and my comrade is the gray wolf of Bryansk."
                  It's simple. Failures in food policy forced Stalin and his associates to look for the culprit - and a fake "case" of the never-existing Industrial Party was invented, the narrow-minded fanatic Lysenko was found and treated kindly, and everything was framed as a "scientific discussion". The result is the defeat of science and vegetation for decades, broken destinies.
    3. Sofievka
      Sofievka April 29 2019 21: 58
      +1
      By the way, at one time, I handed over, separately, plant biology and genetics, did not observe persecution, if, in due time, they would give me an order for a crop of 200 centners / ha, now the harvest is 2000 centner / ha, people don’t eat these apples !!!! negative
    4. astepanov
      astepanov April 30 2019 12: 54
      +1
      Quote: McAr
      there was no "persecution of genetics"!
      And first you read the report of Lysenko at the session of the Supreme Agricultural Academy. These are such political assaults, such frank lies and slander that you will be ashamed. Test here: http://lib.ru/DIALEKTIKA/washniil.txt
      Quote: McAr
      The myth that the Union was smashed, spread rot genetics is extremely harmful.
      Yes, but the fact that geneticists have been wiped out in the bud, leaving only "Michurinists" is a useful thing. As grit, "Choked - choked ..."
      Quote: McAr
      The truth is that both were geneticists.

      Yes, yes, only Lysenko did not recognize the presence of hereditary material in the chromosomes, did not recognize the laws of Mendel (as well as statistical methods in biology in general). Do not believe? Read Lysenko’s speech again, let him tell you. And is this, in your opinion, a geneticist? Ghoul he is a fanatic, not a geneticist.
  12. kalibr
    kalibr April 29 2019 08: 36
    -10
    The apotheosis of his wrecking activity was the August session of the All-Russian Academy of Agricultural Sciences of the 1948 year, during which all scientists involved in genetics and biotechnology were finally finished off.
    And who supported him? Here is the mustachioed one in the upper right corner. A genius sees a genius from afar ...
    1. Ptolemy Lag
      Ptolemy Lag April 29 2019 09: 56
      +4
      The Westerner Shpakovsky does not like Stalin, he does not like our liberal ...
      1. kalibr
        kalibr April 29 2019 10: 17
        -11
        And why love something? The under-learned priest, by chance, got into the System, and what did he achieve? He organized an environment of people of dubious mind and moral qualities to suit himself, who successfully buried even all the good that he did? Truly, tell me who your comrade is and I will tell you who you are. His colleague Khrushchev and others like him ... And that says it all. And what is there to love?
        1. Ptolemy Lag
          Ptolemy Lag April 29 2019 10: 18
          +2
          One word - zapadentets ...
        2. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 April 29 2019 11: 43
          +3
          caliber ... To begin with, what kind of system is it that cuts down the rest, giving everything to one opportunist (T. Lysenko, etc.) ... Secondly, do not leave the main topic with the injection of "Lysenkoism" The Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the USSR, and who is hindering the revival of the state to the level of the leading ones (even under the autocracy of the Romanovs, the development of Russia was really extrapolated to catch up with the United States by 28, that is, in 1930 years) ... Conclusion, the authorities and their management are worse than under the CPSU, not to mention the last Romanov N-25 ... So, where it is thin, there it breaks - and breaks in the Russian Federation today almost everywhere ...
        3. free
          free April 29 2019 19: 29
          +2
          Quote: kalibr
          And why love something? The under-learned priest, by chance, got into the System, and what did he achieve? He organized an environment of people of dubious mind and moral qualities to suit himself, who successfully buried even all the good that he did? Truly, tell me who your comrade is and I will tell you who you are. His colleague Khrushchev and others like him ... And that says it all. And what is there to love?


          AI-ah-ah! Trans humanist you are ours, ah-ah-ah. Not good.
      2. Phil77
        Phil77 April 29 2019 13: 00
        +5
        But he will notice and the proletariat does not like, stinks like socks! Here is the scent of the gentleman!
  13. Proton
    Proton April 29 2019 08: 46
    +3
    The article needs to be issued a large “banana”, and the author the prize “the best howler all the week” laughing
  14. 1536
    1536 April 29 2019 09: 50
    +4
    It cannot be said that genetics in the USSR and in today's Russia is not developing or has lagged behind. Still, the Ebola vaccine was developed in Russia, and according to media reports it is ready for use. Americans and Europeans could not do this. At the genetic level, hereditary diseases are identified with the possibility of their correction. In Russia, they are ready for the massive use of IVF in perinatal centers opening throughout the country. And it is not correct to say that our science has lagged behind the United States and Western countries in matters of genetics for decades. This is not true. Although, of course, Trofim Lysenko is a vivid example of the ineffectiveness of the policy of repression, because he survived in the 30 and 40 and 50-60. XX century as a scientist, he even became president of the All-Union Agricultural Academy of Sciences (Lenin All-Union Academy of Agricultural Sciences). But it is unlikely that scientific disputes could cause catastrophic damage to agriculture, especially animal husbandry, without the resolutions of the Central Committee of the CPSU of the 1950-1960-s, in which the task was to catch up with and surpass America in terms of gross milk and meat production in the USSR at all costs. I am not saying this because I do not like or hate the CPSU. I simply state a historical fact on the basis of documents of that time of a socioeconomic nature adopted by this particular party.
    As for the military component of genetics and the creation of biological racial weapons, one can resist only the complete closure and subsequent destruction of American biological laboratories on the territory of the former Soviet republics.
    1. Evgeny Fedorov
      April 29 2019 10: 29
      +2
      Maybe I am not right and they are casting stones on me now, but for me one of the parameters for the development of science is the number of specialized awards received by scientists of a particular country. Nobel laureate in physiology and medicine when we had the last time? And in chemistry? I will tell you that in chemistry we have only ONE Nobel Prize in Nikolai Semenov. Regarding the introduction of IVF and other things ... Look at whose equipment all this is carried out and by whose methods. This is about the same as saying that we are not lagging behind in the automotive industry. Vaughn, the Mercedes plant in the Moscow region opened!
      1. 1536
        1536 April 29 2019 11: 47
        +2
        Regarding the Nobel Prizes, I agree with you, although here it is obvious that our scientists are not among those who have been awarded, but among those who determine these same recipients. (By the way, since 1902 - the moment the Nobel Prizes in Physiology and Medicine began to be awarded, except for Academician I.P. Pavlov (1904) and I.I. Mechnikov (1908), there were no Russian scientists in the list of awarded since then never. "Social revolutions" should have been done less, probably.)
        As for the equipment for scientific experiments, the scientific base, that is, domestic developments, for example, enormous work is being done in Rosatom to create equipment for detecting cancer at the gene level and in the early stages, etc. You cannot reinvent the wheel all the time. We must take all the best that has been created in the world, and make our discovery, our new knowledge. It always has been. For example, Apple is the symbol of the United States. Most of the patents owned by her were bought from various companies and manufacturers, combined into a single whole to solve one problem - the creation of powerful personal computers for education, design and printing. And what's wrong if the Mercedes will be produced in the suburbs? Although personally I would never deal with the Germans! But this is purely personal, apparently approved at the genetic level ... Of course, in connection with the sanctions, we have to think today about our production, which, I am sure, can be organized, the task would be set.
        1. Evgeny Fedorov
          April 29 2019 12: 26
          0
          Nothing bad and I do not see in the production of everyone's favorite Mercedes. But these cars are produced from imported car sets. Even the Germans themselves do not announce the degree of localization. That is, the benefit for the Russian Federation from such a plant is only in the workplace. Well, for the bureaucrats, it is now possible to freely purchase cars with a three-pointed star for state needs. Rosatom has never prioritized the topic of genetics, so an example is not entirely appropriate. They supervise a very specific and narrow direction. In general, everything in Russia grows out of such corporations as Rosatom and, until recently, Roskosmos, it usually turns out well. But everything that, as the scientist Prokhorov put it, did not concern the "general" line, was usually created very badly. The "general" line is the one that was of interest to the generals.
          1. 1536
            1536 April 29 2019 12: 52
            +3
            Oh, their these Mercedes, right word, the light came together like a wedge on them, or what? I don’t understand why there is a Mercedes plant in the Moscow region, do we have every summer resident driving a Mercedes? At one time, the Americans built a full-cycle automobile plant for us in Nizhny Novgorod, and the Italians - in Togliatti. The developing economy needed reliable trucks, and the population was in dire need of a large volume of small cars. In general, these industries performed and continue to perform their functions, no matter how anyone tried to destroy them. But it should be borne in mind that in the United States at that time there was a "Great Depression", while in Italy there was economic instability, multiplied by political instability. So the deals were mutually beneficial.
            It is possible that the Germans built their own "plant", as they say, "on load", i.e. for some "Nord Stream" or something else. Or they decided to go from the other side in order to finally destroy the production of our cars, perhaps for some other reason completely unknown to us and not taken into account.
            As for your comment on the "general line", if it does not exist in the development of the country, then there will be no generals either. If a general has a head on his shoulders not only to wear a cap, then he understands this.
            Let's finish this discussion, it has already gone far away from a given topic.
      2. Mcar
        Mcar April 29 2019 11: 59
        +8
        Quote: Evgeny Fedorov
        for me, one of the parameters of the development of science is the number of specialized awards received by scientists of a particular country. When was the last time we had a Nobel laureate in physiology or medicine? And in chemistry?

        The Nobel Committee has long turned into a bunch of "the most talented people."

        So Mendeleev, whose table of chemical elements the whole world uses, is not worthy of a prize, and Einstein was given a special case of a photoelectric effect. Stoletov was given a ride for the discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect, and was awarded for a special case of the photoelectric effect. The measure of the Nobel Committee has long been dull, and you are raising it to the canon ...
        1. Evgeny Fedorov
          April 29 2019 12: 31
          +1
          Mendeleev, for your information, was supposed to receive the prize in 1907, but died. And it was not the Petersburg Academy of Sciences that nominated him for the prize, but the Germans. If he was already not needed at home, but even more so for foreigners. And the song on "Nobel prize is no longer a cake" we have heard for several years. When they handed over to Zhores Alferov, why did no one shout about the broken yardstick?
  15. MrFox
    MrFox April 29 2019 09: 57
    +7
    One ambulance per 10 thousand people, the comrade is not looking for genocide there. As soon as the medical strikes went on, immediately the propagandists revived - again Honduras was on fire
  16. A1845
    A1845 April 29 2019 10: 30
    +1
    Quote: betta
    In vain so about Lysenko

    not he first
    there was still such Kurchevsky, perhaps it was even cooler
  17. avia12005
    avia12005 April 29 2019 10: 46
    +1
    So what? What about the conclusions? Observe and express "concern"?
  18. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 29 2019 11: 11
    +1
    it's time to cover these LABORATORIES ... and wipe them off the face of the earth! no other given!
  19. Tektor
    Tektor April 29 2019 11: 15
    +2
    Correct article: biological weapons are the only weapons of mass destruction of covert use. So - it will be applied! It is in this area that the real arms race is shifting. And we need to have our own offensive and defensive options.
  20. kalibr
    kalibr April 29 2019 12: 33
    +1
    Who's in the way? Here Anatoly, for example, is higher than you, and you too ... 3 generations must change in conditions of stability before the "scoop" dies completely. And yes, our management is worse. And who is in charge? The same kpesesniki. Difficult to readjust. It is not for nothing that the Chinese say that you would live in times of change. The worst wish they have.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral April 29 2019 20: 38
      +2
      Vyacheslav! Stability causes degradation, even stability with a plus sign (at first). I’m not even talking about stability in the area below the baseboard.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr April 29 2019 21: 53
        +1
        For sociologists, Eugene, this concept does not include what politicians whom you are told about it. This is the unity of culture, mentality, stable economic growth. I hope there is no objection to this?
        1. NordUral
          NordUral April 30 2019 00: 28
          +1
          Stable growth is development, but not stability, Vyacheslav. And yet, I heard enough of politicians in the second half of the 80's, I don’t listen to them from the 90’s, I recovered.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 1 May 2019 20: 57
            0
            Stable growth is development, but not stability, Vyacheslav. And yet, I heard a lot of politicians in the second half of the 80's, I don’t listen to them from the 90’s, get well [/ quote]
            Thats exactly what I mean...
  21. kalibr
    kalibr April 29 2019 13: 25
    -2
    And you, therefore, like to smell someone else's amber? Oh well...
  22. Dzungar
    Dzungar April 29 2019 13: 36
    0
    What faith can there be to people, even scientists, with that surname ......?
  23. NordUral
    NordUral April 29 2019 14: 47
    +1
    The USA unexpectedly became concerned about the health of the population of countries such as Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.
    And for our part (which is not ours at all), we are pursuing science with all zeal.
  24. synodontis
    synodontis April 29 2019 15: 20
    +2
    In addition to genetics, cybernetics was also a corrupt girl of imperialism ...
  25. gaudin
    gaudin April 29 2019 21: 04
    -2
    The trend has become the selective action of viruses and bacteria, which are able to "distinguish" nations and races from each other.

    You can not read further, another journalistic investigation.
  26. Brigadier
    Brigadier April 30 2019 08: 16
    +2
    "With the current level of development of domestic pharmaceuticals and biotechnology, we only have to guess at what stage of development Russian military biology is now."

    What is there to guess? The stage of its development is already known: PLINTUS !
    Thanks to Putin, my dear, for our glorious science ... wassat request sad
    So to say: "There is no money, but you are holding on ..." fool

    That social sphere, that science, that industry in Russia today under the wise control of the Great Helmsman and his entourage are in the same position: INTERESTING !

    In a word: we go further and lower ... lower ... lower ... It is called: stability!
    The main thing - do not forget to squat in front of Putiners, wear a tsak and rejoice
    ...
  27. tank64rus
    tank64rus 3 May 2019 14: 50
    +1
    The Institute for Biological and Chemical Safety of SVIBKhB was created on the basis of SVVIUHZ in the city of Saratov, but it was quickly optimized under Serdyukov. But the problem of 30% of the chemical weapons remaining in the United States, which they destroy and are not going to see, is apparently no one to solve. Well, as always, in front of everyone, as in the 90s, we destroyed everything. This is stupid or worse.
  28. Molot1979
    Molot1979 5 May 2019 03: 59
    -1
    Rave. The author only out of the corner of his ear heard about Lysenko, but he is generally not aware of Russian fighters of the biological front such as "Vector". I'm afraid this knowledge will break his life
  29. Slavik Ivanov
    Slavik Ivanov 6 May 2019 06: 45
    0
    Do not take only biomaterials from your governors - thieves and cops from the latest genetics of very corrupt and vile people stamping homosexuals in prisons !!!!
  30. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 May 2019 07: 50
    0
    Many drew attention to the Baltic States, which is not included in the list. Yes, and Germany is in no hurry to place
    Such laboratories. Are they afraid that the wind will blow in the wrong direction? If we talk about the scientist-retrograde, then it is necessary to remember about Vavilov. What do Vavilov and the scientist have in common in Belyaev's Eternal Bread? Both
    They wanted to feed the people. But it turned out that it happened.