Some details about the incident with the BDK "Caesar Kunikov"

BDK "Caesar Kunikov" was towed to the port due to a breakdown. According to TASS, the large landing ship failed the steering.

"Caesar Kunikov", a large landing ship of project 775/2 from the 197th brigade of the Crimean naval base DC, on Friday, April 19, was withdrawn from the exercise and towed to the basing point in the Crimea. This was reported by "VO" in one of the news summaries. After the end of the maneuvers on the ship, which is more than 30 years old, a malfunction arose. The presence of identified malfunctions was not reported before the maneuvers.

We present some additional details.

April 18, 2019 when returning to the base point after conducting complex naval exercises at the large landing ship Caesar Kunikov of the Black Sea fleet there was a technical malfunction with the steering device

- said in a statement published by the press service of the Black Sea Fleet (BSF).

BDK "Caesar Kunikov" one of the few ships of the Russian Navy of non-Russian origin. He was born in Gdansk (Poland) and was launched in 1986 year.

BDK participated in the exercises of the rescue team of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation. The command failed near Cape Chersonesos, after which the tug was called by the captain.

To date, the 30-born combat landing ship in Poland is one of the most active ships in the Russian fleet. He participated in the operation to force Georgia to peace in 2008, in 2015 the BDK opened the route of the so-called. "Syrian express". As part of the operation in the Syrian Arab Republic (SAR), Caesar Kunikov repeatedly flew to Syria with weapons and ammunition - primarily for Russian military personnel stationed in the SAR.

The ship was repeatedly upgraded - in 2015, the satellite communications system Centaur-HM2С was installed on it, and the Auriga system was additionally installed in 2018.

Landing with BDK through the front ramp, on the water or on the support. It is made according to a scheme corresponding to commercial cargo ships, thanks to which it is able to carry out loading both from the stern and from the bow.

A large landing craft is capable of landing at agitations with 4 points, and with winds of 5 points. The ship can also be used as a laying machine for setting obstacles.

The ship is capable of transporting tons of cargo up to 480, including military equipment and special equipment. The landing party at transportation settles down in the selected cabin.

The power plant of the 775 / 775М project ships is diesel. It consists of two 16-cylinder diesel engines Zgoda-Sulzer Type 16ZVB 40 / 48 with 10500 power. with. At speeds up to 12, BDK nodes can perform missions with a range of up to 6000 nautical miles.

Now "Caesar Kunikov" will be examined by technical teams and aims to eliminate the identified problems.

Comments

[Borik]

The old man is patched up and he will serve our fleet for several years.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

The Black Sea Fleet has running BDKs, which are more than 50 years old. Large landing craft "Orsk" for example.

[your arm]

Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich

The Black Sea Fleet has navigable BDKs that are over 50 years old.

Arrived painfully Aristarchus ... We tolerate this too!
Nothing Russian Fleet 300 years and not the first time to survive crises .. We’ll restore and configure new ones, give time and most importantly so as not to get involved in the war

[Borik]

Who are already fifty grandfathers? I hope that soon they will build a replacement.

[210ox]

Well, if you remember about the hundred-year-old "Commune" .. Then this is not yet age .. Thirty.

[Borik]

"Commune" This is the patriarch of the Russian fleet.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: 210ox

Well, if you remember about the hundred-year-old "Commune" .. Then this is not yet age .. Thirty.

You have now compared a warship and a rescue ship.

[210ox]

And what is it? What is this ship not fighting? This rescuer came out and climbed, doing a very necessary and often dangerous thing. Surpassed the Great Patriotic War.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

This is understandable, but there are no weapons on the Kommun. This is a catamaran ship-lifting vessel. Of the warships, it is worth noting the Smetlivy TFR, which has been in service for 50 years.

[sabakina]

Aristarkh Ludwigovich, what the hell is the difference, combat / non-combat? Ruli What class do you classify? To combat? As they say. without a steering wheel and without sails ... (I do not remember further).

[hydrox]

But six Eagles have already assigned to the needles, and gathered to swim on rubber ah.
The most pitiful thing is to expel the naval command to such a mother without a pension, especially since their "exploits" in the mid-90s are still fresh ...

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: hydrox

But six Eagles have already assigned to the needles, and gathered to swim on rubber ah.

There are only 4 of them. Moreover, "Kirov" and "Admiral Lazarev" have already all exhausted themselves. In 2014, the cruiser "Admiral Lazarev" was docked in order to maintain buoyancy, so that the hull would last for another 10 years and it would not sink before disposal began. The Ministry of Defense is disappointed with the results of the modernization of "Admiral Nakhimov" - the actual cost of the work turned out to be more than originally planned, and the deadline for their completion is constantly shifting to the right. 2019 is already underway, and the head of the USC is cautiously talking about 2022. It is not yet clear what to do with "Peter the Great", but you can definitely forget about "Admiral Lazarev". For the disposal of Admiral Lazarev, the PD-41 is quite suitable, where the Ural large nuclear reconnaissance ship finished its journey last year.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Piramidon

so that the spray flew away.

But essentially have something to say?

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Piramidon

You wrote off six out of four.

I wrote on the comment of hydrox that cruisers only built 4 pieces, not 6. And you sir immediately rude ... And if you read my comments, you would see my post that on April 23, 2019 the nuclear submarine "Belgorod" will be launched, 2 Project 22350 frigates and 2 Project 11711 BDKs will be laid, and the blocks of the Mercury corvette of the project will be docked. 20386.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Aristarkh Ludwigovich

I wrote a comment on hydrox

I apologize. I didn’t answer that. Comments deleted.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Apologies are accepted I myself try not to offend anyone, although there are different cases.

[hydrox]

And I ask you to accept an apology - a typo occurred - the end of the week, fatigue, anticipation ...
And for the informativeness of the comment - a special thanks: this quality is now rarely seen.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: hydrox

a typo occurred - the end of the week, fatigue, anticipation ...

It happens that I am also sometimes mistaken. I respect the interlocutors who can admit their mistakes.

[hydrox]

Thank you very much.

[Thrifty]

Actually, these ships need to be used wisely - rebuild them into nuclear aircraft carriers! For India, from the "old man" an aircraft carrier was sabotaged, so why can't we, having such excellent hulls, not rebuild them into aircraft carriers? It will come out a lot cheaper, and, faster than from scratch, lay and build! My version of rebuilding nuclear missile cruisers into aircraft carriers is the ONLY option for Russia to build aircraft carriers for itself in general! !!

[Roma 1977]

Cheaper will not work. Will come out longer. It's Russia.

[hydrox]

But more will be stolen than building a ship "from scratch" - this is Russia ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: Thrifty

For India, from the "old man" an aircraft carrier was sabotaged, so why can't we, having such excellent hulls, not rebuild them into aircraft carriers?

Because there was originally an aircraft carrier, albeit not the best, but here it will not work.

[AUL]

Quote: Thrifty

In fact, these ships need to be used wisely — rebuild them into atomic aircraft carriers!

Well, then publish the technical project of the restructuring, the economic justification, the estimate, the deadline and another 1001 documents necessary for such work! Or do you follow the principle - "we will draw, we will live"?

[DPN]

And what are the islands, yachts, planes and others to buy: what do you live in what world?

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Thrifty

For India, from the "old man" an aircraft carrier was sabotaged, so why can't we, having such excellent hulls, not rebuild them into aircraft carriers?

firstly it was made with Indian money
and secondly, wait a second and no dock, they don’t know what to do with Kuznetsov

[hydrox]

Who cares, cut 6 or 16!
NO FLEETS IN RUSSIA !!!
And the SHIP is also NO - some recreational and ceremonial buildings ...

[goblin xnumx]

need to hurry, until PD 41 drowned ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: hydrox

six Orlanes are already destined for needles

Oh, how ... They multiplied ... That's what hydroxlife-giving ides do ....

[hydrox]

No more than the paranoids have already spoken!

[URAL72]

Nothing to pull. It is necessary to continue the construction of Gren. Experiments with modernization and redesign can be conducted in parallel.

[hydrox]

In Russia, the fleets were originally intended for the defense of the country's territory, and not for colonial conquests, so that the fleets of the "gren" were ...
The Second World War showed the insolvency of such fleets for enclosed seas, and if the superiority of our air defense is still enough for tomorrow, then in such an economy the day after tomorrow Russia will no longer be able to spring the tail so STRONGLY, and in the absence of real fleets the tail will have to be tightened ...
It will take 15-25 years to build at least one fleet of Russia ...

[URAL72]

The Second World War showed that there were not enough landing and military transports, otherwise the fate of Odessa and Sevastopol would be less tragic. Syria also showed that Russia was written off early. And what's more important, an aircraft carrier, or a BDK?

[hydrox]

Do not talk nonsense :: ALL artillery ships of the Black Sea Fleet and BF were self-rescuing, occasionally used as floating batteries, only submarines and auxiliary vessels with boats worked.

[URAL72]

Why are you talking nonsense? I wrote about the BDK, having limited, but anti-aircraft defense. Under the cover of the fleet, their losses would be less than those of transports, and they can transport much more than the submarines that they used because of hopelessness. Why deny the obvious? Recognize the FACT, and do not get out, it looks ridiculous.

[hydrox]

For those who are on beters, I repeat :: SHIPS of the fleet were in such a state and position that any attempt to use them threatened with the loss of the entire fleet :: so they stood at the wall (occasionally snapping with artillery fire (when it was possible to change the parking position)), except for those whom they drowned at the wall, only submarines, hunters, shopping malls, barges and auxiliary galoshes worked ...
Read the history of the Second World War, learn the materiel ...

[URAL72]

Teach yourself, the main transportation of submarines could not be carried out by definition, look at least the displacement of submarines of those years. Caravans on the sea went constantly, mainly at night. Learn the materiel.
10.06. Abkhazia and EM Svobodny transport come and unload, safely unloaded, but the attempt to wait out the day in Sevastopol was a mistake, the aircraft drowned.
- On June 11.06, Bialystok transport with minesweepers and the Moscow Region arrives and unloads, the day passed in Sevastopol safely, on June 13.06 left for Novorossiysk, they reached.
- June 12.06, come CR Molotov and EM Vigilant, unload, day 13.06 quite efficiently work along the coast, with impunity leave for Novorossiysk.
- Georgia arrives on 13.06, it is drowned almost immediately by aviation
- 15 (16) .06 comes KR Molotov and EM Flawless, started working along the shore before the end of unloading, and therefore had to be interrupted, because the Germans began to respond. Underloaded and with the evacuated, they left on the shore, after which they safely left for Novorossiysk.
- 17.06 Germans go ashore of the North Bay
- 17.06 Bialystok transport arrives with security (minesweeper and 5 boats), leaves 18.06, the enemy’s TC was sunk on the way back (in essence, due to a misunderstanding, the guard took the TC for their own and did not shoot).
- 23.06/XNUMX the leader Tashkent and EM Flawless come and unload, load the evacuees and leave without hindrance
- On June 26.06, the leader of Tashkent arrives and unloads, takes the evacuated with an overload, is damaged by aircraft along the way, but reaches Novorossiysk.
- 28.06/XNUMX Germans cross the Northern Bay

[hydrox]

If you work SO, then you can turn out to be a good history teacher for the middle grades of the school.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: URAL72

Nothing to pull. It is necessary to continue the construction of Gren.

just not Grenov)) The fleet itself refuses these underships. The fleet needs UDC, such as the Mistral's stoned

[hydrox]

Properly charmed :: people said that these ships had a condition, but there was no heating - I would look at you like a marine in the winter in Vladik (and even on Murman).
How was it in Kuevo: "Hto ne skache, that Moskal!"

[Grigory_45]

Quote: hydrox

people talked

sounds like OBS - one grandmother said)

And I advise you to read more carefully, and understand the essence of what is written

[hydrox]

I am monominal, HOW it sounds to you, but with "advice" - teach your wife to cook cabbage soup ...

[Grigory_45]

cabbage soup is better for you to cook to learn (at least for some reason), and not to rant at VO, if you do not even understand what the counterpart was talking about. It was for the UDC in general (which is more appropriate and necessary for the fleet than the BDK), and not specifically for the Mistral. But you only noticed the word Mistral ... What speaks of your outstanding mental abilities) Would you write books ... on cooking)

[hydrox]

And do not ask!
I will not provide any protection for a teacher’s vacancy in a school for UO (conditionally gifted!) - too many of you, such gifted ones, have lined up along the fence, and the vacancies, of course, are finite!

[Grigory_45]

that you, that you are a vacancy, of course, yours) Just according to your abilities

[hydrox]

My abilities are just enough to calibrate such gifted ones by posts, and send the resume to the Center’s archive ...

[DPN]

Those were built in Soviet times, and this is the difference under capitalism, I will not give a saying.

[ver_]

... it never happened and here again ...

[dr.star75]

It is unfortunate that we cannot even do such vessels now.

[alexmach]

I mean, we can't? But what about "Gren"?

[dr.star75]

For 300 years to do what others do in 1 year, well, I'm sorry ...

[alexmach]

Well .. the first pancake is lumpy. let's see what will happen next.

[hydrox]

Gren is an auxiliary vessel, not a ship for combat, naval confrontation, gaining superiority, escorting, etc.
And ships for carrying URO, capable of operating in a network-centric version, we have - or how ??

[alexmach]

And the discussed "Caesar Kunnikov" is probably a URO ship .. for battle and sea confrontation.

[sedoj]

Quote: dr.star75

It is unfortunate that we cannot even do such vessels now.

And we didn’t do them. They were made by Poland.

[dr.star75]

Quote: sedoj

And we didn’t do them. They were made by Poland.

Taki yes. But! so many years of import substitution .... and so? all for nothing ...? Where are the Grens, where are the Mistral? Where are the ships ????

[Lara Croft]

Quote: dr.star75

BDK "Caesar Kunikov"

We did not know how before, all of our BDKs were built either in the NDP or in the GDR ....
Tank landing ships from NATO countries remained only with the poor of Portugal, Greece and Turkey ...

[Thrifty]

What is needed for the authorities to really deal with the problems of the country's navy? And then, blah, blah, blah things are not going on! We will soon have no fleet left, we laugh at the ukroiny, but in fact we don't even have destroyers, and, apparently, we'll never be able to build ourselves! I will not be happy if our "clever" hulls begin to massively purchase in China. ..de facto, there is no one to build such ships in Russia. ..

[Yeah]

Stalin is needed, theft must be stopped, and money is like water in the sand ...

[goblin xnumx]

where does Stalin — I don’t understand — he came to a ready-made social-economy system — by the way — different from the current one — and put things in order according to those laws ...- now the system and laws are different and Stalin couldn’t do anything-

[hydrox]

You’re thinking bad about Stalin: it was in his power to change an unfit system, but he was engaged in the formation of a system suitable for opposing capitalism in the interests of the entire people of Russia, starting from the year of Lenin’s death.
And then: who is this, it is interesting to know, PREPARED for Stalin a "ready-made" social-ek. system, if it was Stalin and the people who built socialism ??

[Yeah]

like YOU are a student from the USSR, but you don’t know history .... but it’s a pity, you could understand that the NEP was (an analogue of the current system), but it was Stalin who would reform SMOG into the planned economy, re-read at least CHRONOLOGY ...

[boathouse]

Is everything okay with tugs in the Russian fleet? It's just that every time our battleship goes out on a campaign, two tugs must be kept in mind.

[Samara_63]

Russia needs other technologies, our BDKs are suitable for war only with neighboring countries ... The Mistral is by far the best option for expeditions. Yes, and finally everyone needs Constructor plant in it baby and conduct test!!! For example, send the BDK Designer on a long trip, and so that he would bear the hardships of life there with the soldiers on an equal footing, that he would also go to the tulet with diarrhea (dysentery), that he would also be in the cubicle at +60 with the Marines for 3 furious beds ... and when the structure from the diarrhea of ​​a scorched ass will painfully sit on a wooden floor, and wounds that are not squeamish due to constant infections and climate change will rot ... maybe then ours designers think about a man?

[Dikson]

But what about the charter? there it says: "I must steadfastly endure all the hardships and deprivations of military service .." There was nothing to sneer at the diapers in the NATO armies .. We have that a soldier, that a sailor - will tolerate .... Air conditioning - excess, powerful stove - stupidity, Arctic overalls are a luxury ... They giggled over Ukraine .. And they themselves did not go so far ... Iron tends to get tired and break ...

[Samara_63]

It is a pity that specifically there are no practitioners from among those with experience in long trips especially the USSR ... many do not even understand what is written ... And as a matter of fact, a soldier in this state would rather surrender and be captured than he would perform feats ...

[Dikson]

I had several acquaintances at the Pacific Fleet ... in the era of the USSR .. and they went on long trips. And they talked about how it was .. So I'm a little aware .. And about the heat in the cubicles, and about the rats, and about the equipment ...

[boathouse]

Absolutely correct!

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Samara_63

, our BDK are suitable for war only with neighboring countries .. [/ b]?

why are you going to fight in remote countries and even more so plant infantry there? Can we better think about their defense? and for enemies far enough rockets are enough?

[sabakina]

Hope nothing serious. Patch up ...

[Thrifty]

Glory You don’t take the whole country, unfortunately

[Doliva63]

Quote: Thrifty

Glory You don’t take the whole country, unfortunately

Yeah. It can only be deprivatized. And ships will be, and rockets will fall less often. And the people will know what to expect from tomorrow. And so - further and deeper, so to speak.

[Thrifty]

Alas, this is absolutely impossible with this power! !! For the mess in the country completely suits her! !!

[hydrox]

I wouldn’t be happy if it was designed by her!

[goblin xnumx]

the point is deprivatization ...- if state-owned corporations inflate prices out of the blue no worse than private corporations ...

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Thrifty

not take up,

With all my heart, the day is done.

[Olddetractor]

Quote: Olddetractor

To send the designer of the BDK on a long trip, and so that he would bear the hardships of life there with the soldiers on a par, that he would also go to the tulet with diarrhea (dysentery), that he would also be in the cubicle at +60 with the Marines on 3 beds ...

took a shower and cleaned navy tusks

[Motorhead]

,, Ivan Gren ,, was built for 14 years, you should not be equal to it. With ,, Caesar ,, in the Dardanelles intersected, walked beautifully.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

He is poor, he has served so much that such a breakdown is excusable. Seven feet - ,, hard worker ,, and all the best- to the crew.

[goscha]

Quote: Thrifty

What is needed to ensure that the authorities truly address the problems of the country's navy? ?? And then, things do not go beyond blah, blah, blah! We won’t have a fleet soon - we laugh at ukroiny, but we actually don’t even have destroyers, and, apparently, we will never be able to build ourselves

I think so - we need some other authorities ...

[magadan72]

Shame and disgrace !!!! Even river barges with two main diesel engines can be operated by machines without a steering gear !!! And here is a "battle ship" !!! VISIBLE CREW COMPETENCE NO! !!!

[Roma 1977]

It would be a shame if they went out to sea without tugboats.

[Rzzz]

Quote: magadan72

Even river barges with two main diesels can be driven without steering gear !!! A

Are you sure about that? I was also taught that this is the case, but life brought me to work on a very curious steamer, which, although it had two diesel engines, was completely uncontrollable. When the machines are working "vrazdrai", he stupidly stands straight, still slightly turned on the spot, but when driving, you can finally do without steering wheels.
And the cause of the breakdown can be commonplace, for example. In my company, one of the steamboats on the Don caught a shallow rudder. The lower balloon bush crumbled. She jammed the baller tightly, so that the rudders did not move at all. The steamboat after disassembling the rudders reached the factory, but they could not squeeze out the buller, although it should go under its own weight! They cut a mortar with a piece of skin, and dismantled it in the workshop, a whole saga was.

[Old26]

Quote: Thrifty

Actually, these ships need to be used wisely - rebuild them into nuclear aircraft carriers! For India, from the "old man" an aircraft carrier was sabotaged, so why can't we, having such excellent hulls, not rebuild them into aircraft carriers? It will come out a lot cheaper, and, faster than from scratch, lay and build! My version of rebuilding nuclear missile cruisers into aircraft carriers is the ONLY option for Russia to build aircraft carriers for itself in general! !!

There is no sense in this. Completely rebuilding the ship and upgrading the aircraft carrier for India are two different things. They have different displacement. We could try to rebuild if we had VTOL aircraft (for a small number of aircraft). For airplanes of a regular start, it is not suitable from the word at all. As a result of such alteration, there will be no nuclear cruiser and there will be some kind of "non-aircraft carrier"

Quote: Thrifty

What is needed for the authorities to really deal with the problems of the country's navy? And then, blah, blah, blah things are not going on! We will soon have no fleet left, we laugh at the ukroiny, but in fact we don't even have destroyers, and, apparently, we'll never be able to build ourselves! I will not be happy if our "clever" hulls begin to massively purchase in China. ..de facto, there is no one to build such ships in Russia. ..

The fleet will remain, but in what quantity and quality. We can build destroyers. But for this, kmk is needed in addition to just a few things
1. Fleet construction (development) program. And not for the next 5-7 years, but for the long term, for 20-30 years. The program must say "once and for all" which ships the fleet needs. So that the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, or the Minister of Defense, or the President, who came next, does not reshape this program for himself only because some of them do not like aircraft carriers or landing ships. The country has enough minds, there are people who are able to give an answer to the prospect that the fleet needs. Do not finish any shuffling.
2. Financing, and not on a residual basis, but quite serious.
3. Personal liability (including criminal liability) of both ship builders and contractors, and financiers. so that it doesn't work "No money, but you hold on"
And then, maybe, the terms will not be shifted by 5-10 years to the right. The shift itself may well be due to force majeure, but the main thing is that this force majeure does not become a constant

[LeonidL]

I agree with many things, but the "program for 20-30 years" is questionable. Science, including military shipbuilding, weapons, IT, etc., is developing at such a speed that today it is difficult or simply impossible to predict which ship will be needed in 10-25 years. Ships laid today for 20-30 years will most likely become obsolete in ten years. Therefore, I think that the program should still be limited to 10-25 years. And to base it both on promising developments, primarily inaccessible to the general and even a narrow public (amateurs will torture them with advice), and on real financial, economic and production capabilities. This will probably determine the possible range of military-political tasks to be solved. After all, the surface fleet (submarine is for the most part an integrated part of the strategic deterrent) is basically the "long arm" of state policy. To determine how long it can and should be long and clawed is the question for naval theorists and the leader of the country.

[Grigory_45]

BDK "Caesar Kunikov" towed to the port due to damage. According to TASS, the steering of a large landing ship has failed

and what, now a ship with two propellers cannot be steered by itself (working by machines)? There is another version of what happened, more similar to the truth: "On the morning of 18.04.2019/775/2, according to preliminary data, a few miles from Cape Chersonesus, the Caesar Kunikov large landing craft of project 197/XNUMX from the XNUMXth brigade of the Crimean naval base of the Crimean Naval Base was heading to the Feodosia region. lost track for technical reasons. The rescue tug SB-5 and the fire-fighting vessel PZhS-123 were sent to his aid.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Quote: hydrox

Orlanes are already destined for needles

Those that are not on the go for decades, already consider that not. This is not conservation after which the ship is put into operation within a reasonable time. We need new systems, repair and modernization of spent reactors.
In a word, it is really better to lay new ships of new projects.

[Evil 55]

Good "Pole", from the last ships of the USSR .. Convenient, reliable, unpretentious with timely prevention .. "Syrian Express" finished it off, no doubt about it.

[nnz226]

The name is cool - the best battalion commander of the Marine Corps in the Great Patriotic War ...

[LeonidL]

A steering breakdown, or rather a steering breakdown, is not something out of the scope of the military service. It happens with younger ships. Well, what happened after the exercises and near Chersonesos. In such situations, the tug is not required to tow the ship, but to assist with maneuvering and mooring. Will be repaired. It would be much worse if it happened during the passage of the Straits.
By the way, here some comments mourned the death of two "Orlans". It's a pity, beautiful and powerful ships, but ... A heavy nuclear cruiser does not sail by itself, it needs an escort, a grouping of ships and support vessels of different classes. Without a naval base and full-fledged aircraft carrier escort, and even with Kuznetsov, such a long trip with tankers, tugs, floating workshops, supply vessels and even new frigates will remind me, alas, of the Rozhdestvensky squadron's march on the way to Tsushima. My personal opinion is that modern Russia needs TARK of the "Orlan" type rather as ships of military-political representation, nothing more. Therefore, their large number and their attempt to solve strategic tasks by them in the conditions of the total advantage of the NATO fleets is only a huge burden on the budget without a practical way out and without a chance for success.

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: LeonidL

TARK type "Orlan" is needed by modern Russia rather as ships of military-political representation, nothing more.

Well then, one Nakhimov is enough, let him serve

[ver_]

..no fray, so sore, not so much scrofula diarrhea .... with Port Arthur, however, a tradition ... still ..

[Div Divich]

The ship Ivan Gren must be put into production, otherwise after 20 years we will be left without landing ships.
A ship of an outdated design, but we could not do better, we must admit our mistakes - we are not completing what we have begun, so there is nothing.

[eleronn]

I'm just discouraged !!! The ship has been in service for 30 years and it does not bother the admirals, and after 12 years of service, they actually "wrote off the nuclear cruisers". What does it mean?! As for the BDK, this is not a tragedy, it will be repaired and returned to service. The old man will still serve!