Israel introduced a new assault rifle to compete with the AK

New Israeli Carmel assault rifle was recently presented at the LAAD 2019 exhibition, which opened in early April in Rio de Janeiro. Israelis start the game with a long-range view - the Latin American market is considered one of the most promising for the Middle Eastern state.


Israel introduced a new assault rifle to compete with the AK


Carmel, in contrast to the bull-pops Tavor and X95, to which the Israeli army in recent years, is made in the classic layout. The new machine is a product of the SK Group, one of the enterprises of the Israeli arms giant Israel Weapons Industries (IWI), and apparently, the Israeli army is unlikely to accept it as the main small weapons.

Maxim Popenker, one of the leading historians and connoisseurs of small arms in Russia, described the situation in his commentary for "VO":

The prospects of the [assault rifle] are not clear, but it is clear that it will only be exported. The competitiveness of the weapon will depend solely on the policy, because this unit will obviously be more expensive than AK 100 and 200 series.


Israeli weapons small arms have long been present in the countries of South America. In particular, the Galil Ace machine gun, the deep development and rethinking of the Kalashnikov machine gun, has long been in service with the Colombian army: there it is licensed by the local company Indumil.

As the standard army rifle Galil Ace chose the armed forces of Chile, the machine gun bought Ecuador, Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala (where the police use it), Peru is going to produce it under license, releasing 2000 rifles per month.



Although a number of sources mention that the new machine has a base from Galil Ace, in the opinion of Popenker, “Galil was not lying there”.

In order to remain among the leading manufacturers of small arms, we need to offer new solutions, new ideas and new products, adapt to the modern war and meet the requirements of our existing and potential customers. We need to look to the future, since the development of new weapons still takes about 3-4 years, although we are trying to minimize the time


- explained Ronen Hamudo, vice president of marketing and sales for IWI in an interview with EDR On-Line.

The desire to get “the newest product” mentioned by Hamudo is one of the reasons why, in his portfolio, in addition to the bulldolls, Galil Ace, IWI is developing a new rifle with a classic layout.

Galil Ace is a very successful rethinking of the AK, but a number of clients may be interested in a rifle that has a completely new design and is not limited by the parameters set during the Second World War.

Now, with a new rifle, IWI got the opportunity to go to tenders with more modern solutions, as well as more classic ones, which managed to catch the fancy of clients.



The experience gained with previous products was fully utilized by the designers of IWI, Carmel is in fact a completely new weapon that, nevertheless, supports the company's philosophy, especially in terms of ergonomics.

Carmel has a gas piston with a short stroke and a butterfly valve. Its rate of fire is about 850 shots per minute. All moving parts of the machine are enclosed in a monolithic aluminum case with anodized coating, which is partially covered with a plastic casing.

All controls are bilateral. The fuse, the latches of the magazine and the shutter, as well as a number of other elements can be rearranged from right-handed to left-handed and back for a few seconds.

The gas regulator has three positions: normal, extreme and overwhelming, it can be switched depending on the conditions of the battle.

There are four interchangeable trunks: 267 mm, 305 mm, 368 mm and 406 mm, cutting pitch 1: 7. To ensure maximum accuracy, IWI applied the solution with a freely hung barrel; a quick-detachable system was also used to ensure maximum modularity, which, according to the company, ensures a barrel change in a matter of seconds.




The butt has 6 fixed positions (7 if counted folded). With a short barrel, the length of Carmel is 526 mm with a folded butt, 721 mm with an open and 806 mm with a fully open “telescope”, weight without a magazine and an external sight - 3,3 kg.





Thanks to the telescopic butt, the machine can be adapted for a soldier of virtually any height. IWI has optimized the new rifle with Meprolight sighting systems, the company is also part of the SK Group, although any other sight can be mounted on the rifle.

IWI used its previous experience in developing a pistol grip to make it as ergonomic as possible, while the fuse was designed to allow for firing with gloves.

The main small arms of the Israeli army are still the X95 bullfights — the development of the Tavor assault rifle. At the moment, the rifle is being purchased by the Israelis in a fully automatic version, while previous deliveries came in the form of a semi-automatic.

The IDF is not interested in the new IDF assault rifle, however Carmel was sent for testing in several departments, for receiving comments and recommendations, and was also tested in several countries of the world.

It is assumed that in the near future, in addition to the 5,56 STANAG cartridge, versions will appear under the promising 6,8 mm ammunition Remington SPC and Creedmor 6,5 × 55, as well as under 7,62 × 51 mm.

It is worth noting that in the Latin American market, the new model has every chance of becoming a competitor of AK in the struggle for the attention of customers. At the LAAD exhibition, during which the Israeli machine gun was presented, 360 samples of Russian weapons were presented. The exhibition is held every two years, and each time brings new orders to defense enterprises of the Russian Federation.
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  1. capsid April 9 2019 20: 20 New
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    Good luck to the Israeli gunsmiths.!
    1. PSih2097 April 9 2019 21: 22 New
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      a cross between galil and fn skar ...
      1. Lopatov April 9 2019 22: 07 New
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        Somehow she looks bulky.
        But modern, cool and brutal. Therefore, it will be very popular in armies with a surplus of gold sewing on uniforms ...
        1. Pimply April 9 2019 22: 41 New
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          Lopatov, do you think Russia will still be interested? ;)

          1. Lopatov April 9 2019 22: 44 New
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            No, this one is afraid to buy on the side. Suddenly, they’ll deal with the previous one .... “Domestic producer” is harsh here.

            Although gold embroidery from him for the purchase of these "dutik" is quite enough.
            1. YOUR April 10 2019 03: 27 New
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              Yes, those purchases on the side that the Past has started, can not be considered against the background of what he has done with the army. With tacit consent ...
              1. Pimply April 10 2019 16: 44 New
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                Quote: YOUR
                Yes, those purchases on the side that the Past has started, can not be considered against the background of what he has done with the army. With tacit consent ...


                And what exactly did he do with the army?
                1. YOUR April 10 2019 17: 19 New
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                  Do you list everything? Or simply drove to write - Taburetkin.
                  1. Pimply April 10 2019 22: 36 New
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                    Quote: YOUR

                    Do you list everything? Or simply drove to write - Taburetkin.

                    Well, just wanted to hear. They like to call him Taburetkin, but I would like some essence.
                    1. YOUR April 11 2019 02: 02 New
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                      Destroyed military airfields. He wanted to reduce all aviation to 5 airbases, military schools were destroyed, he wanted to do one for each kind of army, and to command sergeants with a military education for 6 months. At the same time, the institution of ensigns was destroyed because of their need. Military medicine was completely destroyed, military commissariats were reduced. He tried to transfer the army to Western weapons. Not all. Almost destroyed military intelligence, as not necessary. Fukukal start of hostilities in South Africa could not make a decision, and if not for the unauthorized actions of General Khrulev, nevermind with oil that they could do there. I did not pay attention to the fact that Ukrainians threw a bunch of air defense systems into Georgia, and managed to drive Tu-22M2 under missiles.
                      Enough for you?
                      1. gor999 April 11 2019 04: 55 New
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                        About "Military medicine completely destroyed" - ANSWER ???
                      2. YOUR April 11 2019 08: 51 New
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                        Long live Taburetkin. Hooray comrades.
                    2. yehat April 11 2019 12: 55 New
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                      as for the ensigns, I think it will be clearer, if I say, to destroy the institute of non-commissioned officers and now lieutenants have no support in the management of personnel
                    3. YOUR April 11 2019 13: 41 New
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                      They brought them back. A sergeant in the likeness of the United States removed.
      2. orionvitt April 9 2019 22: 52 New
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        Weapons should be simple and effective.
        1. Pimply April 9 2019 23: 00 New
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          Do you think Shoigu need to grow a mustache?
          1. orionvitt April 9 2019 23: 10 New
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            I believe that one of the greatest politicians in history (by the way was our commander in chief in the most terrible war), was distinguished by outstanding modesty. Unlike...
            1. Catfish April 10 2019 03: 20 New
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              Hmm, you bought up a “victory marshal”; next to a modest American, he looks like a village idiot having reached the tzatsk. hi
              1. ZakPo April 10 2019 10: 03 New
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                Does the American general have more merit? Or did he drive Nazi invaders from Washington itself? Probably not well-deserved trinkets?
                1. sub307 April 10 2019 11: 32 New
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                  He simply did not retreat to Washington, so there was no need to drive the "Nazi invaders from Washington itself". Moreover, the American capital also "fed" these very German-fascist invaders ....
                  1. Catfish April 10 2019 19: 45 New
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                    “He just did not retreat to Washington ...” - Bravo, colleague, it’s a pity that I can only put one plus for you. drinks
              2. orionvitt April 10 2019 12: 46 New
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                With the participation of this “marshal of victory”, then they “managed”, the entire Stalinist legacy. Village simplicity will always find a way out.
              3. vadim dok April 10 2019 15: 02 New
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                Not with a modest American, but with the Commander-in-Chief of the USSR!
            2. Pimply April 10 2019 16: 43 New
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              Quote: orionvitt

              I believe that one of the greatest politicians in history (by the way was our commander in the most terrible war), was distinguished by outstanding modesty


              Do you think that the person who gave birth to the cult of personality in the country, where his name was glorified everywhere, parades with his portraits were held, did the anthem sing with his name was of outstanding modesty? Do not confuse foreign political modesty with real. She didn't even smell there.
              1. Major_Vortex April 10 2019 16: 54 New
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                Quote: Pimply
                Do you think that the person who gave birth to the cult of personality in the country, where his name was glorified everywhere, parades with his portraits were held, did the anthem sing with his name was of outstanding modesty? Do not confuse foreign political modesty with real. She didn't even smell there.

                Well, you obviously wrote from evil. Stalin and Zhukov won the Second World War. Stalin, of course, was a weak commander and he was more economical in part - he rebuilt the country for future generations, the USSR economy withstood the Second World War. But Zhukov is just in the military unit.

                It is a sin for Jews to complain about Stalin and Zhukov. According to Israeli historians, the Nazis killed about 6 million Jews in Europe. But if not for Stalin and Zhukov, they would have killed everyone. Then they would switch over to Asia and the USA - and there the Nazis would quickly clean up everything, first of all Jews and Gypsies.

                Do the Jews, who irrigate Stalin with bile, look dumb, as if you regret not letting all Jews destroy Hitler?
                1. Catfish April 10 2019 19: 41 New
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                  Comrade Major, I once once allowed myself to draw your attention to the fact that "poking" to strangers is an outright manifestation of ordinary rudeness. I remind you again, maybe in due course it will reach you, finally, how you should behave to decent people. hi

                  Now about who won the Great Patriotic War: I, by my own unreasoning, always believed that our entire multinational Soviet people had won, and thought (judging by what you wrote here) obviously in vain.
                  Stalin and Zhukov for a couple ... took and won. And how do you manage to not respect your own people so, where does such a slavish psychology come from?
                  My uncle, the commissar of the corps, the lieutenant general, died in Karelia at the very end of the war, what do you think he got under a brick flying by accident? My older brother was seriously wounded and shot down over Libau, but, thank God, he reached his own, did he also fall off the roof? You would have to apologize to the front-line soldiers for your “speeches,” unless you can wait ...
                  And enough of the Jews already: tank general General Dragunsky, who, in your opinion, is of what nationality? How are you all tired of me with your limitations and alternative mind. Always the same thing - Stalin won the war and the Jews were to blame for everything. fool
                  1. gor999 April 11 2019 05: 01 New
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                    TO: Sea Cat (Konstantin) "Dear friend. You somehow once - and ignored the whole Soviet people."
                    Sea cat - some nonsense you write
                  2. Catfish April 11 2019 21: 21 New
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                    When individuals like you consider nonsense written by me, I take it as a compliment. hi
                    Personal question: And you, excuse me, have already left the age that is present on your avatar?
              2. Pimply April 10 2019 22: 51 New
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                Well, you obviously wrote it out of evil. Stalin and Zhukov won the Second World War.


                Dear friend. You somehow so once - and ignored the entire Soviet people. It is sad.

                Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                . Stalin, of course, was a weak commander, and he was more in charge. He rebuilt the country for future generations, the economy of the USSR withstood the Second World War.

                According to the power unit, he was terrible, if that. When a huge number of specialists are chasing the logging or shooting instead of doing the work they have studied and have been doing for many years, this is at least inefficient use of resources. And the destruction of the Soviet and Russian peasantry - well, at least, too, in the minus. The myth of an effective business executive is of course a wonderful fairy tale - but no more, it is broken by numbers. To understand the failure, it is enough to compare with the countries that underwent industrialization in the same period - for example, with Japan. Or compare it with how many railways were built during the same period in Tsarist Russia. So the business executive he was so-so. But the dictator is very effective.

                Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                Do the Jews, who irrigate Stalin with bile, look dumb, as if you regret not letting all Jews destroy Hitler?

                When a person begins to exhibit national characteristics as an argument in a discussion, it is a disease.
        2. mirag2 April 10 2019 00: 12 New
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          We believe that it’s time for Netanya’s thief to go to jail.
        3. Darth Ragosinus April 10 2019 11: 06 New
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          No, better beard.
      3. Lopatov April 9 2019 23: 01 New
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        Cool. The marshal and the army general have almost the same epaulettes. coat of arms and a big star.
        However, inflation
      4. frolov andrey April 9 2019 23: 08 New
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        And he could have surrounded himself with awards from right to left and from top to bottom. Or vice versa.))
      5. Darth Ragosinus April 10 2019 11: 05 New
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        That's right. I think the Rosgvard should be armed with Nagan revolvers. There just will not figure out how to clean and shoot them.
    2. YOUR April 10 2019 03: 25 New
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      Interested in Vietnam and Colombia. Vietnam bought a whole plant for the production of Galil ACE in the caliber 7.62 * 39. The Vietnamese are already supplying this rifle not only to their army but also to Laos. It is very likely that the rifle described in this article is a continuation of the improvements of Galil ACE, and only minor ones. So apparently a bit upgraded.
      You yourself posted an article on this topic in 2012.
      Let me remind you https://topwar.ru/19932-ak-12-pridumali-v-izraile-obzor-avtomata-galil-ace.html
      1. Pimply April 10 2019 16: 40 New
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        Quote: YOUR
        Interested in Vietnam and Colombia. Vietnam bought a whole plant for the production of Galil ACE in the caliber 7.62 * 39. The Vietnamese are already supplying this rifle not only to their army but also to Laos. It is very likely that the rifle described in this article is a continuation of the improvements of Galil ACE, and only minor ones. So apparently a bit upgraded.


        And again, this topic was specifically raised in a conversation with Popenker. One of the best specialists in this field believes that there is no, there is nothing significant between them
        1. YOUR April 10 2019 17: 11 New
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          In my hands neither one nor the other held this I can focus only on Internet information.
          Infa slipped that both have a base AK-47. Now read in more detail about these machines. Yes, they are different. If the Galil ACE clone AK uses gas exhaust systems with a long stroke of a gas piston located above the barrel and the main differences from Galil, the main attention is paid to ergonomics. Those. In principle, the same Galil. That WI Carmel has a gas vent with a rotary lock and a gas piston with a short stroke. So vskidku and can not say what is taken as the basis. But not Galil.
          1. Pimply April 10 2019 23: 00 New
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            Quote: YOUR
            So on the vise and you can not say that the basis was taken. But not Galil.


            From Galil I think some moments have gone. But mostly ergonomic and other successful solutions. And so - the standard weapon history: improvement and rearrangement of old schemes. This is a normal story
    3. nosferatu April 10 2019 10: 15 New
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      Hardly! He had not yet attached all his mistresses to the Moscow Region and had not given the rank of general!
  2. mirag2 April 10 2019 00: 11 New
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    But I don’t see anything “modern,” “cool,” etc. in it.
    1. nosferatu April 10 2019 10: 15 New
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      That's right!!! This is not Kalashnikov! Only AK is the best in the world! And everything else is trash
    2. Lopatov April 10 2019 10: 22 New
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      Now in fashion "inflated" shooter.
  3. Gray brother April 10 2019 07: 03 New
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    Quote: Spade
    But modern, cool and brutal.

    Galimovy carbine without full-time sights.
  • smart ass April 10 2019 01: 52 New
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    G36 recalled
  • Kenxnumx April 9 2019 20: 24 New
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    Modern design. It looks great. I wonder how in comparison with AK
    1. Aaron Zawi April 9 2019 20: 34 New
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      Quote: Ken71
      Modern design. It looks great. I wonder how in comparison with AK

      The Israelis will not tell you that for sure. These weapons are exclusively for the struggle for foreign markets. So the users of this weapon, unlike the M-16 / 4 or Tavor, are not to be found here.
      1. Kenxnumx April 9 2019 20: 36 New
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        By the way I wanted to ask. Why is it that your vacationers have M-16 in such a dead state that everyone has seen, and other models look pretty decent and well-groomed.
        1. voyaka uh April 9 2019 20: 56 New
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          The warehouses are full of M-16. Long ("panicles") no longer give out to anyone, but
          short ones - a carbine - which used to be "officers" - to many.
          If you mean these, and not confused with the M-4, which are still
          Does the landing brigade use? The main difference between the M-16 carbine and the M-4 is
          thickening on the trunk along the entire length of the outside of the M-4. The carbine has a thin barrel.
          M-16-carbine- "killed", because the officers called for training much
          there are more ordinary reservists, and they were "hooked" there in field exercises much
          more.
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            M-16-carbine- "killed", because the officers called for training much
            there are more ordinary reservists, and they were "hooked" there in field exercises much
            more.


            Not in this case. There were a lot of converted old rifles for a shortened version.
            1. voyaka uh April 9 2019 21: 46 New
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              And ... did not know about it.
              1. Pimply April 9 2019 22: 01 New
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                At a certain point, the army decided to completely switch to shortened versions of the M-16 (at about the same time, the transfer of all combat units except tsenof to Tavor went.) And the gunsmiths started a big drank, first of all any kind of old M16A1
    2. Observer2014 April 9 2019 20: 36 New
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      Quote: Ken71
      Modern design. It looks great. I wonder how in comparison with AK

      Ah, let's speculate. Does it look cool? It's cool. (But it’s absolutely not more fun than modern Kalashas) But what price is quality? Well, for example, to change the army into such a rifle as the Russian-Turkish army for example. The rifle may be good. But not so much as to change the whole system of small arms in a single, more or less large army. Its special forces may have police units. hi
      1. Kenxnumx April 9 2019 20: 40 New
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        Well, you still say that such a butt on the head can not be cooked, and there is nowhere to attach a bayonet to a knife. I suspect that AEK is also not cheap, but it won’t pull on shooting in the Starship Troopers.
        1. Observer2014 April 9 2019 20: 45 New
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          Quote: Ken71
          Well, you still say that such a butt on the head can not be cooked, and there is nowhere to attach a bayonet to a knife. I suspect that AEK is also not cheap, but it won’t pull on shooting in the Starship Troopers.

          Do not flatter yourself. I will not say. In mass rifle weapons there is one approach. Price is quality - efficiency And the most interesting. Reserve is in case of war. Including spare parts for machine guns and rifles, etc. Including ammunition. Well !? Should this new rifle be thrown from the storehouses of everything “old and not modern so that all the vacated squares can be killed by it? Answer yourself this question. And you will not argue with me about this anymore.”
          1. Kenxnumx April 9 2019 20: 48 New
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            Yes, and not going to. We still have PPSh in warehouses and pre-war barley, judging by taste. Damn Nagany !!!! there is. And already AK old for three militias is enough if you want to fight meat out of habit.
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              Ken71 (Constantine):
              Yes, and not going to. We still have PPSh in warehouses and pre-war barley, judging by taste. Damn Nagany !!!! there is. And already AK old for three militias is enough if you want to fight meat out of habit.
              I do not want to fight any meat! And against it like no other. I am categorically against any anachronism. But there is one thing here. There is such a thing as a strategy. The strategy extends to all the activities of the state. Including such quality as price - efficiency. I will add storage in case of war. Factories will be destroyed. And beyond the Urals, for example, they can not be transported. Here it is necessary to think strategically. And not tactically. For these are different concepts. hi
              S / N Answer your question. What kind of machine will be the very first restored in the production of a post of nuclear war (Do not blame and say that everyone is a khan) What? I think PCA.
              1. PalBor April 9 2019 21: 31 New
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                If we talk about production, then PPP. Significantly cheaper and easier to manufacture. Otherwise, that's it.
                1. Observer2014 April 9 2019 21: 39 New
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                  PalBor (Paul)
                  If we talk about production, then PPP. Significantly cheaper and easier
                  I agree. It was a mistake. Yes PPS, I had in mind. When I printed PPSh. There was not enough time to correct the comment.
              2. Lopatov April 9 2019 22: 14 New
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                Quote: Observer2014
                Which machine will be the very first restored in the production of a post of nuclear war

                "Stan"
                1. Pimply April 9 2019 22: 43 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  "Stan"


                  Stan is still PP 8)
                2. Mordvin 3 April 9 2019 22: 44 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  "Stan"

                  Oh well ... We’ll get by with the arsonists from the water pipe. And this miracle in the picture has too many buttons. Papuans will be delighted.
                  1. g1washntwn April 10 2019 08: 02 New
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                    Just like in the movies:
                    laughing
                3. boathouse April 9 2019 22: 50 New
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                  Of course, I "plus", but, after the war, God forbid, completely different veschi will be needed ... Stupidly, in order to survive ... I don’t even want to write about this "nightmare. Honestly, I never I didn’t observe this: I try to press the button, and my fingers refuse ... 15min wrote these few lines.
                  1. Lopatov April 9 2019 22: 52 New
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                    Quote: varadero
                    but, after the war, God forbid, completely different veschi will be needed ... Stupidly, in order to survive ...

                    Including weapons.
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                      Quote: Spade
                      Quote: varadero
                      but, after the war, God forbid, completely different veschi will be needed ... Stupidly, in order to survive ...

                      Including weapons.

                      “I'll buy it all,” said Zlato.
                      “I'll take it all,” said Bulat.
            2. Wilderness April 9 2019 20: 59 New
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              Yeah. And also stacks of spears - arrows and piles of stone cores from the time of I. Grozny laughing
              1. Kenxnumx April 9 2019 21: 00 New
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                And in St. Petersburg fences from guns. If you can make out
                1. Wilderness April 9 2019 21: 01 New
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                  Here they took and gave out all the secrets ...
                  1. Kenxnumx April 9 2019 21: 13 New
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                    So somehow
                    1. Vitaly gusin April 9 2019 21: 46 New
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                      And it is also beautiful.
                2. Mordvin 3 April 9 2019 22: 50 New
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                  Quote: Ken71
                  And in St. Petersburg fences from guns.

                  We also have a couple in our city. But also besides guns, something.



                  There is something to meet the enemy.
          2. Pimply April 9 2019 21: 21 New
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            Quote: Observer2014
            Do not flatter yourself. I will not say. In mass rifle weapons there is one approach. Price is quality - efficiency And the most interesting. Reserve is in case of war. Including spare parts for machine guns and rifles, etc. Including ammunition. Well !? Should this new rifle be thrown from the storehouses of everything “old and not modern so that all the vacated squares can be killed by it? Answer yourself this question. And you will not argue with me about this anymore.”


            Often yes, worth it. Because if you are guided only by your approach, the best weapon will be a stone: cheap, effective, does not break.

            But there are other needs. Plus rearmament is usually a process of not one and not two days. For example, in the USSR, with mass production of AK, a number of parts still remained with SCS until the middle of 80x
            1. mirag2 April 10 2019 00: 16 New
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              the best weapon will be stone: cheap, effective, does not break
              HACITSIT
      2. Pereira April 9 2019 20: 43 New
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        For small armies in countries that do not have their own production, it will do.
      3. Pimply April 9 2019 21: 23 New
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        Quote: Observer2014
        But not so much to change the whole system of small arms in a single less large army. The unit of its special forces, perhaps the police forces.


        Well no. The same Colombian army quite successfully on Galil Ace changed its shoes. Millet is done in stages. Armed with the latest weapons in the beginning of the most combat-ready parts. The rest remain with the old. Vietnam, too, with AK part of the parts to Tabor and Galil Ace translated. There is not such a large amount, in fact
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          Armed with the latest weapons
          It does not mean BEST. Estonia has been badly burned on an arms contract with an apartheid state inhabited by Jews.
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            Quote: mirag2
            It does not mean BEST. Estonia has been badly burned on an arms contract with an apartheid state inhabited by Jews.

            More, pliz?
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          Armed with the latest weapons

          ))))))))) than the latest?
      4. YOUR April 10 2019 03: 39 New
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        Unfortunately, the Vietnamese have already voted with this very price and quality and bought a factory from the Jews for the production of Galil ACE. This is the same rifle as described here. So not big changes the butt is different, in appearance they have changed a bit.
        By the way, Colombians are switching to Galil ACE.
        The army of Vietnam is about half the size of the Russian.
        The army of Colombia is about the same as in Vietnam in numbers.
        About AK-12/15, look at the articles about the beginning of development, the first samples and compare with what is accepted for service. They differ very much. And I would not say that for the better the chosen option.
        1. Darth Ragosinus April 10 2019 11: 13 New
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          Similarly, the AK 12 (15) version adopted for service is a modernization of the AK74. The first AK 12 (15) models were hacked due to new parts and the proctically lack of unification of production with the AK74M (a very expensive type)
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            There are not so many of these new parts, well, in general. For some reason, the assembly on the pins was adopted from the Americans, while they are called pins by the Americans. There was so much boast that there was a fuse now that he had made a fire mode switch. Finger once and all things. They left the same as it was in the first samples and for which there are so many complaints. In winter, gloves with figs translate and sticks and sticks, but left as it was. The supermodern stock was replaced as they have at the Americans. It is not clear this ape.
            All the rest did not undergo any special changes.
            And by the way, there are a bunch of proposals for the modernization of existing AK of all models and the modernization of machine guns such as RPD, which is slightly heavier than the PKK but much better. At least by the fact that the tape for a hundred rounds and not a single but manual. But for some reason it did not go. According to conversations in warehouses, up to 15 million AK units of all models.
    3. loki565 April 9 2019 21: 20 New
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      It remains to compete with her competently)))
      1. Gray brother April 10 2019 11: 47 New
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        Quote: loki565
        It remains to compete with her competently)))

        )))
        An Israeli product suspiciously resembles a piece from this wunderwafer. I understand that there is also a G-36, but the butt and the overall design ...
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      Quote: Ken71
      as compared to AK

      No way. In small arms, everything has long been invented. Now the main emphasis is on new materials and design. What was the best will remain. And what did not "take off" will lie.
    5. Peter Ivanov April 9 2019 21: 27 New
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      Only in the minus! And these minuses in favor of this trunk!
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      . I wonder how in comparison with AK

      For money, it’s especially interesting.
  • Samara_63 April 9 2019 20: 26 New
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    We have for the rollback AK loser AEK promoted ...
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      We have for the rollback AK loser AEK promoted ...

      Did you skate or attend?
  • Samara_63 April 9 2019 20: 29 New
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    The IDF like the Airborne Forces brigade did not switch to the new Tavor, they apparently have an American carbine when jumping more conveniently
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      Quote: Samara_63
      The IDF, like the Airborne Forces brigade, did not switch to the new Tavor, they apparently have an American carbine when jumping more conveniently

      And the "Commando" brigade is also on the M-4. Well, redheads have always been a show off. They even knocked out a separate form in the 50 years.
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        Well, the carabiner is apparently really more convenient when jumping, there are fewer bulging parts, and the brigade is outstanding ... Ariel Sharon commanded.
        For a raid on Entebbe them Respect!
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          Confused sweet with soft. What brigade? The Israelis are silent, your nonsense comment. In Enteb, Saeret Mitkal (or Matkal) acted. One of the fatalties to BB's brother is Jonatan Nitanyahu. In the literature there is the name of the operation Yonatan, on behalf of the deceased.
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            One of the dead is the brother of the BBC - Jonathan Nitanyahu.

            If memory serves, Jonathan Nitanyahu is the squad leader, the only one killed.
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            Quote: Okolotochny
            Confused sweet with soft. What brigade? The Israelis are silent, your nonsense comment. In Enteb, Saeret Mitkal (or Matkal) acted. One of the fatalties to BB's brother is Jonatan Nitanyahu. In the literature there is the name of the operation Yonatan, on behalf of the deceased.


            Not only. There were also special forces of the Landing Forces and special forces of the Golani: they defended the perimeter while the battle was on.
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            Quote: Okolotochny
            Confused sweet with soft. What brigade? The Israelis are silent, your nonsense comment. In Enteb, Saeret Mitkal (or Matkal) acted. One of the fatalties to BB's brother is Jonatan Nitanyahu. In the literature there is the name of the operation Yonatan, on behalf of the deceased.

            Gee ... You have already been corrected below, Although it's too late, but it’s strange that you have been given many advantages for ignorance ...
            You would, for the order, at least get the information from the Internet there is no longer a secret ... So there were three units -100 commando from Sayeret Matkal, Sayeret Tsanhanim, Sayeret Golani
            Sayeret Matkal rescued hostages. Sayeret Tsanhanim, Sayeret Golani acted in the outer circle, and preventing Ugandan soldiers from approaching the terminal building, which was attacked (inner circle) by Sayeret Matkal. 45 Ugandan soldiers were killed in the outer circle, by the way.Sayeret Tsanhanim destroyed 30 MiG-17 and MiG-21 aircraft in a strip ...
  • Chief Engineer April 9 2019 20: 33 New
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    I look and see how the soldiers clean it with tears in their eyes
  • Mordor April 9 2019 20: 56 New
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    Better AK, no one has come up with anything yet. Tested by time and endless wars. The most reliable and reliable machine!

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      Better AK, no one has come up with anything yet.

      They came up with, and for a long time - in Kovrov - AEK for both calibers ... and Kalashnikov licked and passed off for the 100-200th series ... At the same time, they tried to accuse Kovrovites of plagiarism.
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        They came up with, and for a long time - in Kovrov - AEK for both calibers ... and Kalashnikov licked and passed off for the 100-200th series ... At the same time, they tried to accuse Kovrovites of plagiarism.


        Difficult to answer, word of mouth. Who and who licked bully !
        1. PSih2097 April 9 2019 22: 49 New
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          Difficult to answer, word of mouth. Who and who licked bully!

          I'm talking about balanced automation, not about appearance ...
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            I'm talking about balanced automation

            and in more detail is possible?
        2. frolov andrey April 9 2019 23: 24 New
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          In appearance, everyone is similar. Butt at the rear, barrel at the front. Handle bottom, store in front. Who licked ?!
          ...... And where is the fly?
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            Cut down)))
    2. John22 April 10 2019 21: 12 New
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      Invented and made In Switzerland - SIG SG 550.
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        Invented and made In Switzerland - SIG SG 550.


        Yes. and why is he so good?

        And can he?
  • Ratmir_Ryazan April 9 2019 21: 00 New
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    Is that a weapon from the future? )))

    The American M-4 was hidden in a space kit. What for?
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      To vnutuhivat Aboriginal people, see above)))
    2. Peter Ivanov April 9 2019 21: 30 New
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      This is for the cinema! They wanted to shoot the 146 series about the Predator ... It turned out that all the Predators were killed and there was no kina ...
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      If M-4. In this case, the small-sized Dragunov assault rifle. What would the quilted jackets not recognize laughing .
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    ... enough of them are mercenaries ....
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    ... ========))) ...
  • Ross xnumx April 9 2019 21: 06 New
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    ... a quick-detachable system was also used to ensure maximum modularity, which, according to the company, allows the barrel to be changed in seconds.

    A combat weapon is good in that it does not need to be assembled from a model-designer set. I will not even conduct an experiment on the subject of non-stop shooting. For I’m not sure that such an instrument will withstand a long firing battle. Excuse me, but the first weapon was AKM (PM 1703) and, as Nastya said, the smaller daughter, beloved:
  • priboy57 April 9 2019 21: 20 New
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    Judging by the caveat, that automation is based on the short stroke of the gas piston - this is the processing of SCS, not AK.
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      not only SCS, but also SVD and SVT-40 ....
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        Ek you dig deep smile .
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    D16 April 9 2019 21: 26 New
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    Somewhere I already saw it ... Oh yes. Small-sized automatic machine Dragunova, creatively modified by a file laughing . Kalashnikovs have already worked on him
    https://svbr.livejournal.com/78576.html
    Now an option from Israel. And all the Chinese are Chinese laughing .
  • Observer2014 April 9 2019 21: 29 New
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    Quote: Observer2014
    Do not flatter yourself. I will not say. In mass rifle weapons there is one approach. Price is quality - efficiency And the most interesting. Reserve is in case of war. Including spare parts for machine guns and rifles, etc. Including ammunition. Well !? Should this new rifle be thrown from the storehouses of everything “old and not modern so that all the vacated squares can be killed by it? Answer yourself this question. And you will not argue with me about this anymore.”


    Often yes, it's worth it. Because if you are guided only by your approach, stone will be the best weapon: cheap, effective, does not break.

    But there are other needs. Plus rearmament is usually a process of not one and not two days. For example, in the USSR, with mass production of AK, a number of parts still remained with SCS until the middle of 80x

    I do not ask to confuse the warm with the soft! I am talking about strategic thinking! You need to feel that fine line. Where the stones and sticks in the warehouses, it’s time to throw away the feni by the edra. And replace them. On that !!!! Weapon system. Which will be able to provide superiority over a longer period of time. Or the parity of your country over your sworn partner! You need to be a strategist! S-T-R-A-T-E-G-O-M !!!! And understand military equipment repeat bully hi
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  • Operator April 9 2019 21: 35 New
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    IWI as a pony - walks in a circle (from AK to M16 and back) laughing
  • Lieutenant Senior April 9 2019 21: 39 New
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    Some dumb. Stump.
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      Quote: Lieutenant Senior

      Some dumb. Stump.

      Because not AK? ;)
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        In the world besides AK lacks excellent weapons.
        But it is this one that causes bleeding from the eyes, so clumsy.
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          Quote: Lieutenant Senior
          In the world besides AK lacks excellent weapons.
          But it is this one that causes bleeding from the eyes, so clumsy.

          I try to see something radically different from ordinary modern trends.
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    Sorry, forum users! Not the topic. All fans of hockey CSKA with a victory and reaching the final !!!! We are waiting for the cup!
  • Vasyan1971 April 9 2019 22: 40 New
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    ... however, a number of customers may be interested in a rifle that has a completely new design and is not limited by the parameters set back in World War II.

    Not a single design!
    And what parameters set back in the period of the Second World War are not relevant now? And how they limit the current shooters.
    The new machine is a product of SK Group, one of the enterprises of the Israeli arms giant Israel Weapons Industries (IWI), and it seems that the Israeli army is unlikely to accept it as the main small arms.

    In short - God bless you that we are worthless! Look, the yak swell is modern! Buy it, don’t hesitate! And we are somehow old-fashioned: the best is the enemy of the good.
    PS "Just complicate. Difficult to simplify." Meyer's law.
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      Quote: Vasyan1971
      And what parameters set back in the period of the Second World War are not relevant now? And how they limit the current shooters.


      Ergonomics, the caliber of the cartridge, the mass of weapons, sights, the emphasis on automatic fire to the detriment of the other qualities, and so on. There are many you can list
      1. Okolotochny April 9 2019 23: 27 New
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        Plastic quality level? And there are a lot of skirts. Impact resistance, temperature regimes. If a lot of connections, and most likely it is, then from vibration. There are many questions, as Voyaka says, Yuzat is necessary.
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          Quote: Okolotochny
          Plastic quality level? And there are a lot of skirts. Impact resistance, temperature regimes. If a lot of connections, and most likely it is, then from vibration. There are many questions, as Voyaka says, Yuzat is necessary.

          for weapons always use special types of plastic, besides usually there is an extra frame for strength. Don't make fools
      2. Vasyan1971 April 9 2019 23: 53 New
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        I’m probably very dumb, but I didn’t understand a little:
        Quote: Pimply
        Ergonomics, the caliber of the cartridge, the mass of weapons, sights, the emphasis on automatic fire to the detriment of the other qualities, and so on. There are many you can list

        these parameters are not relevant now?
        What was not in the 2nd World War? That was all. Gauges? What your heart desires! Weapon systems? From a three-line to a storm trooper. Sights? Open, frame, rack, sector, optics, God knows what else! The rest stupidly goes hand in hand with technical progress automatically.
        What has fundamentally changed since then? Design? So what? The same World War II eliminated all unnecessary gadgets, leaving cheap stamping in the system. To a lot, reliable and fast. And why these extra expensive fashionable body kits, if an unmotivated fighter saving his skin throws at least a smart trunk, at least a working tank? Unless for peacetime service, to show off before the girls. Despite the fact that the Israelis themselves, who ate a dog in the hostilities, do not plan to use the new-fashioned tsatsk. A purely commercial project for a delicious gesheft. Bright beads for savages.
        For example, the same non-brotherly “knights” with tauras in parades march, and crawl along the trenches with Kalash rewound with electrical tape? Or not?
        I think so... hi
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          I think so...

          Every war, every time gives their needs for weapons. AK appeared such as he appeared for one simple reason: among the fighters, there were few educated men. This, for example, was reflected in the care of the lendley technique or Tokarev rifles — an excellent technique that required a certain culture of handling it.

          Fashion skirts appeared for a reason. The appearance of collimators and optics of small multiplicity at the disposal of ordinary fighters increased the accuracy and speed of aiming by approximately one and a half to two times (something that could not be achieved with new types of weapons). Modern warfare requires tactical flexibility from a fighter, rapid modification of weapons for tasks; the transition from urban buildings in the mountains, or landing in the forest after a patrol on the plain. In part, these needs satisfy all these not so beloved hoes.


          You go to the extreme - usually a fighter with these tsatskim highly skilled professional, with quite suitable and understandable motivation. No one bothers to use a rifle without them. But no one forbids them to put.


          Quote: Vasyan1971
          Is that for the service of peacetime, in order to show off in front of the girls.


          It all appeared just as a result of the wars - the same Iraqi, for example.


          Quote: Vasyan1971
          Given that the Israelis themselves, the dog who had eaten at the fighting, are not planning to use the new-fashioned tsatsku.

          What for? The Israeli concept uses the Bush dad Tavor, which has just been transferred
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            Quote: Pimply
            there were few educated fighters.

            And now more? In the late 30s - early 40s of the last century, young people were busy, specifically, centrally engaged in military affairs. They shot, set a bayonet strike. We studied aircraft, tanks, and other machinery. Not that today. And there were no problems with imported equipment. Our grandfathers were no worse than us. The war passed its verdict on the SVT, and not on the "armless" illiterate fighters. The best systems survived - reliable, inexpensive, technologically advanced. SH T A M P O V K A.
            And if the war happens, the young, fashionable, technological ones will be knocked out first. And the remaining reservists are not up to collimators and other miracles of body kits.
            Quote: Pimply
            You go to extremes - usually a fighter with these tsatsks is a highly qualified professional, with quite suitable and understandable motivation.

            I am begging you! "Usually"! Here on VO mass video, proving the opposite.
            Quote: Pimply
            Modern warfare requires tactical flexibility from a fighter ...
            and hereinafter.
            And no one knows what the modern war will be like. What we are observing now is a typical twentieth century.
            Quote: Pimply
            In part, these needs are met by all these hoes so beloved by you.

            That's it - PARTLY. Accessible to the rich and not very numerous. And when they impose everything on everyone (like, for example, an iPhone with a horse price, when a person grabs Huaiwei), then questions arise like, "Do I need it?" And if, excuse me, a Jew with very honest eyes offers to buy a "thing you really need", he is not going to use this "thing", then there are even more questions.
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              Quote: Vasyan1971
              And now more? At the end of 30-x - the beginning of 40-x of the last century, young people tightly, specifically, centrally engaged in military affairs.

              Yes, now much more. It is enough to look at the documents on the catastrophic state of the Red Army at that time and to remember that the time of the Great Patriotic War for officers' courses was seven classes enough - many simply had much less.

              in the USSR, according to the census 1937 of the year, there were almost 30 million (!) illiterate citizens older than 15 years, or 18,5% of the total population. In 1939, only 7,7% of the population of the USSR had education of 7 classes and more, and only 0,7% had higher education. In men of 16 age - 59 years, these figures were significantly higher - 15% and 1,7%, respectively, but still were unacceptably low. So yes, everything was much worse.

              Quote: Vasyan1971
              Shot, bayonet set. Studied airplanes, tanks, other machinery.

              Initially, improper training only reinforces poor skills. A strong soldier is a soldier able to quickly learn and think with his head.

              Quote: Vasyan1971
              The best systems survived - reliable, inexpensive, technological. W T A M P O V K A.

              Cheap, not the best. Stamping was worse than the wrapping boxes. But cheaper. Therefore, it was used
              Quote: Vasyan1971

              I am begging you! "Usually"! Here on VO mass video, proving the opposite.

              Example?
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                Quote: Pimply
                in the USSR, according to the census of 1937, almost 30 million (!) illiterate citizens over the age of 15 lived, or 18,5% of the total population.

                Well, the USSR is not much Russia. The "fraternal" republics spoiled the statistics a bit. Yes, and twist the steering wheel and twist the levers and three classes will be enough. Before the war, who graduated from the school? Lieutenants. How much time was taught? By the end of the war? Sergeants. How much time was taught? Students stood at the machine tools and complied with the norms. So literacy was tolerant. And now?
                Quote: Pimply
                Initially, improper preparation only reinforces poor skills.

                And why is it wrong, and even initially? Everything is in the spirit of the times.
                Quote: Pimply
                A strong soldier is a soldier who is able to quickly acquire knowledge and think with his head.

                It was always and everywhere like this: survived the first battle, artillery attack, bombing, tank attack - consider a veteran. (WoT and others like it does not count). But it’s too late to study with the head in the army, if the mother and the father did not teach at home. In the army you need to train. To develop reflexes. “Flash on the left”, “Flash on the right”!
                Quote: Pimply
                Cheap, not the best. Stamping was worse than the wrapping boxes. But cheaper. Therefore, it was used

                That's it! The Germans on this and burned. War, it’s apart from maneuvers, is also an economy. And if they won the same type, but cheap in comparison with the enemy, then it is the best.
                Quote: Pimply
                Example?

                Here, straight without a knife! Usually in such cases, excuses such as "too lazy to search" or "Google to help" are made repeat And I just don’t know how. request I can retell the plots. The brave Syrian crew threw the tank after falling into it and rushed to the rear. Even when their no less brave tribesmen tore their claws on the MPAP, leaving a padded wheeled self-propelled guns with crew. Well, a lot of similar cases, honestly!
  • militarist63 April 10 2019 00: 44 New
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    Just what price will manufacturers (as usual) set for this competitor! ???
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    Forever our small arms do not give rest to the Westerners, the Germans tried to overtake our tank, it seemed to release it, and these phantom pains do not subside in any way, how is it that the goyim are ahead of them all the timerequest
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      Tokarev also had "phantom pains" when he ripped off the Browning system? What kind of nonsense are you talking about: in the weapons world, everyone always took a successful sample and, if possible improving it, produced it under their own marking. Though goyim, at least not goyim. At least you don’t get into the weapons theme with your cave nationalism and are so tired of life.
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        So you do not go with your terry Zionism. Also
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          You do not need to poke, not by age and not by rank. Incidentally, I am not a Jew and do not suffer from Zionism. But your terry nationalism perfectly coexists with primitive rudeness. With regard to where I "climb", this is not your concern anymore, we’ll figure it out for ourselves.
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    Well, you still say that such a butt on the head can not be cooked, and there is nowhere to attach a bayonet to a knife. I suspect that AEK is also not cheap, but it won’t pull on shooting in the Starship Troopers.

    Kaneshno not pull ... or rather not pull, they have all the money left for Dasha. laughing
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    Modern design. It looks great. I wonder how in comparison with AK


    Listen, the under-eagles are undercover. Do you at least explain why you are minus a person, otherwise it looks like an elementary scoring. And this is FULL.
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      What is in this modern design? Jews rolled AM Dragunov into a plastic body kit. Achievement lol .
  • Nikolai Petrov April 10 2019 06: 51 New
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    Well, the "achievement" of kosher military thought! The tuned moped Verkhovyna.
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    Hmm, you bought up a “victory marshal”; next to a modest American, he looks like a village idiot having reached the tzatsk. hi

    And you with such statements look like not quite healthy mentally. Fighting awards - tsatskie coots? Is there something in the head, or is the wind whistling?

    Zhukov personally may be unpleasant to you, but he has three Stars of a Hero of the Soviet Union on his chest. Choose your words more carefully when writing about such things.
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      Yes, Zhukov is unpleasant to me, and unpleasant precisely with the methods by which he waged a war. For him, our soldiers were just consumables with this famous thesis: "Women still give birth."
      And I will write as I see fit, and you better watch your language - rudeness and rudeness do not decorate a person. hi
  • Jurkovs April 10 2019 08: 20 New
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    A fairly short barrel, reduced muzzle energy, does not pull on the title of an assault rifle.
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      There actually interchangeable trunks of different lengths announced. I don’t see much sense in this. I can not imagine a fighter carrying with him interchangeable trunks for all occasions. But to make a long-barred Kalashnikovskiy MA IMHO worth.
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        There actually interchangeable trunks of different lengths announced. I don’t see much sense in this. I can not imagine a fighter carrying with him interchangeable trunks for all occasions. But to make a long-barred Kalashnikovskiy MA IMHO worth.

        But the meaning is nonetheless simple, you just did not understand the principle correctly. Quick-change barrels are not needed to carry them with you - although some special equipment may be useful. First of all it is to increase the tactical flexibility of individual units, when in the field, with the help of a simple modification, you can quickly change the functionality of the weapon, its caliber, range and so on. That is, let's say now the unit goes to the forest, tomorrow - to the building, the day after tomorrow - in the field. His fighters under the tasks change the configuration without a gunsmith, quickly and themselves. They do not need to carry another machine gun or a machine gun, or a sniper. Changed the barrel, shot, went to work out a new task. How do you look at this question?
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          D16 April 10 2019 16: 39 New
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          Is it not easier before going on a mission to visit a weapon and to choose a shotgun according to the task? It’s not a fact that it will cost much more, since you also have to pay for the bells and whistles. This applies to special forces.
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            Quote: D16

            Is it not easier before going on a mission to visit a weapon and to choose a shotgun according to the task? It’s not a fact that it will cost much more, since you also have to pay for the bells and whistles. This applies to special forces.

            Often not, not easier, especially given the fact that often outposts are made far enough. We have, for example, always been zeroing before going on mission. Now look - what is simpler and cheaper: to keep the barrel to which you refer once in a small weapon ... Or to store a set for fast conversion of weapons? Here in my opinion the second. Faster, easier, more convenient and cheaper.
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              D16 April 10 2019 17: 51 New
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              IMHO, the machine should be single, but with different barrel lengths. All the same, drivers, sailors, tankers and other snipers, gunners will still use only short trunks, and infantry only long. They will not overpay for each machine for the sake of special forces. It’s easier and cheaper to provide them with weapons for all occasions. smile .
              1. Pimply April 10 2019 21: 32 New
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                Quote: D16
                Anyway, drivers, sailors, tankers and other snipers-gunners will still use only short guns, and infantry only long ones.
                Not yours When urban sweeping or work in the tunnels, infantry is more convenient to work with a short barrel.

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                sailors, tankers and other snipers gunners

                so neglected by you, sometimes perform non-normative functions.

                In addition, the replacement of the barrel is only part of the conversion. Nobody say that everyone will use it. Not all - but many.
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                  D16 April 11 2019 05: 24 New
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                  Many? I am sure that 90 percent of the Israeli army during the entire service will never change the barrel of an assault rifle after playing enough with the new tsatskoy. Who is going to fight in Colombia in urban areas, fields and tunnels at the same time? Replaceable trunks are nothing more than a marketing chip. Why pay more? It remains to make bayonet-knives of different lengths. For the war with fat Americans and thin Vietnamese wassat
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                    Quote: D16
                    90 percent of the soldiers of the army of Israel for the whole time of service will never change the barrel of the machine after playing a new tsatskoy.


                    However, with 10 percent, this option will be
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                      D16 April 11 2019 12: 45 New
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                      It won’t be, because there’s not what they consider to be Latinos in MO laughing . The Tavor and M-16 quick change of trunks is not provided.
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                        At Tavor - yes.
  • John22 April 10 2019 21: 25 New
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    So about the length of the barrel. What guided the developers when they determined the barrel length: 267 mm, 305 mm, 368 mm and 406 mm. From 267 to 305 mm - 38 mm, from 305 to 368 mm - 63 mm, from 368 to 406 mm - 38 mm. ???
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      Quote: John22
      267 mm, 305 mm, 368 mm and 406 mm. 267 to 305 mm - 38 mm, 305 to 368 mm - 63 mm, 368 to 406 mm - 38 mm.

      Firstly initially it is long in inches. Most likely danced from the step of a rifle
  • Babai 640 April 11 2019 09: 57 New
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    All sophisticated technical products designed and manufactured in Israel and having dimensions larger than a 46x50 wrench have never been and never will be successful! I do not want to offend and insult anyone, but Jews are a nation of hereditary merchants, bankers, watchmakers, jewelers and dental technicians. Here they are really out of competition! Marketers, by the way, are also mediocre, because if "the trunk can be replaced in seconds", then it will fail in minutes! lol Change longer, hold on tight! wink
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      The photographer also often changes lenses for a specific job, and carries a pair with him. And nothing, the camera has served for years
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        And in the body of the camera there is an excess pressure of 2 kg / cm500. ??? laughing