Russia paid for the "Thread"

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has paid off with the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine for the use of the Nytka landing range, located in the Crimea.

For the first time, starting with 2006, the payment was made in cash, reports the Department of Press and Media Relations of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.

On the implementation of the Agreement between the governments of Ukraine and the Russian Federation on the use of the Nitka landfill, signed on February 7, 1997 in Kiev, and the Protocol for the coordination of the actual cost of mutual services (obligations) between the Ukrainian and Russian parties on the use of the landfill in 2007 and 2010 in the interests of the sea aviation The Russian Navy, signed on June 8–9, 2012, the Russian side transferred USD 1 to the currency account of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the statement said.

Funds received from the Russian side for the use of the Nitka training ground will be converted into national currency and used to repair and restore military equipment and weapons of the Ukrainian army and forces fleet, emphasized in the Ministry of Defense.

Comments

[Aleksey67]

Well, but it seems like in Russia now they are building their own complex for training pilots of deck aviation. However, I could be wrong.

Here found

In 2011, Russia will have its own simulator for training pilots on deck aviation and thereby get rid of the need to rent it in Ukraine, according to the General Staff of the Russian Navy.

"In accordance with the decision taken by the country's leadership, research and design work is already underway to create a ground training complex in the city of Yeisk, Krasnodar Territory, for training deck aviation pilots. All work on creating the complex has been funded. It will be built in three years," the representative said. General Staff of the Navy.

“The creation of the complex will allow Russia to completely get rid of its dependence on Ukraine in training pilots for the Admiral Kuznetsov heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser. located near the city of Saki in the Crimea ", - said the representative of the General Staff.

According to him, another reason for Russia’s decision to create its own simulator for training pilots of carrier-based aviation was the decision of the Ukrainian authorities to lease their complex under Saki to China.

“It turns out that pilots of both Russia and China will be trained on the same simulator, and there are no guarantees that we will be provided with a convenient time for training. And this despite the fact that Russia not only annually allocates an amount of 500 thousand dollars for rent simulator, but also fully pays for the repair of its equipment ", - said a representative of the Navy

Pilots of the 279th naval fighter regiment (airfield based on Severomorsk-3) regularly underwent training on this simulator until 2008, but in September 2008 the training was disrupted due to a ban from the Ukrainian authorities. The carrier-based Su-33 fighters flew to the Ostrov airfield in the Pskov region, where they were waiting for permission to fly into the airspace of Ukraine, but they did not receive it. The ban on the training of Russian pilots was not justified, since an advance payment for the use of the NITKA simulator was made in 2008. The Russian military uses the complex on a rental basis, paying for the supply of spare parts for the Ukrainian Air Force in the amount of about 500 thousand dollars a year.
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Is anyone interested in the topic? What is being done in Yeysk now? If the work is funded, it seems like it should be built ....

[Svistoplyaskov]

Even if Russia does not have its own "THREAD", is it really so difficult and expensive to build it!

[TRex]

Yes, it’s difficult, but expensive ... all the more so such a unique complex, which was built by the entire Union in Saki.
Normal roads have forgotten how to build, not like simulators.

[Tyumen]

Quote: Whistling

Even if Russia does not have its own "THREAD"

This is the Russian thread. It's just that you shamelessly privatized it.
And it’s difficult and expensive to build, it’s the same aircraft carrier on land.

[lukovskoy]

??? Russian ???

[alexng]

There is not a single document confirming the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine.

[Splin]

No, or don't you know? Look at the document "From Minutes No. 49 of the meeting of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU on the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR." Enough of these zombie TV broadcasts for young brains. Either there are no documents, then Khrushchev presented them ... Until 91 it did not matter. In the early years of the new Russia, this could have been the second Chechnya. Now, who is stopping you from traveling to Crimea? Only Russian border guards and customs. Or let it stand in my shed, bulo ... Tskhinval after the 8th is already actually Russian. The biggest black hole in the Russian economy. And in Crimea, half of the elite khatyn women belong to the Russian piggy bank. The prices for vacations are the same that it is cheaper to go to Bulgaria.

[alexng]

There are no such documents, but what runs on the Internet are fakes of Western media and intelligence agencies. No one has seen or seen the originals, because they are not in nature. By the way, when they signed an agreement in Kharkov on extending the Black Sea Fleet’s stay in Sevastopol, then all the documents confirming that the Crimea was transferred in 1991 were not legal from the side were ready. It would be better to work out the second option than to observe this tyagomotin from Ukraine. I travel to Crimea every year (close relatives live there) and I know the mood of Crimeans. Ukraine, with its linguistic gibberish in its head, set up against itself and the Crimean Tatars. Congratulations!. By the way, only 17 June returned from there. Crimean residents do not recognize Crimea as Ukrainian. That's it.

[Splin]

What were you personally when signing the Kharkov agreements? or sat as a deputy in the Supreme Council in the 54th year. Enough to carry garbage invented by zhurnalyugami. Here is the fact that in April 2010, Medvedev spoke about the revision of the gas agreement in general, is on video. Look on YouTube if such things are not shown on Russian channels.

[Basilevs]

Quote: Splin

Prices for holidays are the same, which is cheaper to go to Bulgaria.

That's right!!!

[Tyumen]

Well, albeit not Russian, but Soviet, but I repeat that
privatization was not worth it. We are one people.

[black_eagle]

The people are one, the states are different ... pot-bellied guys are profitable. By the way, not only ours, but also yours, not only our side is fighting and transit for the Black Sea Fleet, but yours, for example, I don’t want to remember, the same gas for 500 bucks! After all, we are friends, and in spite of any efforts of politicians, we must remain them!

[carver]

Well, don’t talk about gas, thank your cunning politicians for the price of gas.

[black_eagle]

I wrote that I do not want to remember about it, we will close the topic without starting))))

[Dmitriy69]

Let's hope that the landfill will not stand idle, and the money will benefit Ukraine.

[755962]

Quote: Aleksey67

Is anyone interested in the topic? What is being done in Yeysk now?

Aleksey, hello! Sergei is somewhere on the way, a love must fly here. Interestingly enough. And I have a counter question. You can "work" from him ..... to Syria?

[Aleksey67]

Quote: 755962

With it you can "work" ..... to Syria?

Eugene, hello! This is a simulator for training pilots of carrier-based aircraft. From it they learn to take off and land on a simulated aircraft carrier deck. A useful thing in terms of training, it allows you to reduce the accident rate and, as a fact, save the lives of pilots and equipment. I had not communicated with Sergei for a long time, I had to leave on business, I feel sorry for him, there, in the geomosaic, they stuck such a "dagger" in his heart ... a friend was accused of an accident ...

[755962]

Quote: Aleksey67

they stuck such a "dagger" in his heart ... a friend was accused of an accident ..

Yes, Alexey ... And then a logical question arises! Who needs this? I have one answer to BUSINESS! It’s easiest to blame on those who are no longer with us. In twins, it’s more painful that the relatives of the victims will have to live with this ... What a time ..

[VAF]

Quote: 755962

And then a logical question arises!

The NITKA training ground became part of the solution to the historically and technically matured task of creating a new aircraft carrier fleet in the country with horizontal takeoff and landing aircraft.
World practice in the construction of such facilities did not know such a short time and the volume of work performed.
The airfield infrastructure of Novofedorovka (Crimea) could offer the future runway complex only a decommissioned runway.

The construction of the complex, which began in 1977 at the same time as the drawings of the first aircraft carrier of project 1143.5 appeared, was basically completed after 5 years.
This made it possible in a short time to carry out a large set of tests of future carrier-based Su-27, Su-25 and MiG-29 fighters and timely adapt them to landing on the deck of the Kuznetsov Tavkr, which went to sea in October 1989.
The accumulated foreign and domestic experience in the formation of the concept, construction and operation of training centers for carrier-based aviation has always deserved close study in terms of the reasonableness of organizational and technical decisions and the construction of such an own complex in Russia (in Yeisk).

[VAF]

Quote: Aleksey67

there, in a geomosaic, they stuck such a "dagger" in his heart ... a friend was accused of an accident ...

Alexey, welcome again! To that. as you know, I was immediately ready, even then .... when only this happened ..... the "extreme" was determined immediately, because. the future of the Super-Jet was at stake. Well, we have for a long time ... they cut wood, chips fly ... !!!
it has always been so. there is and will be, and even more so at the present time and in current politics !!!
The most important thing is that in our hearts the guys remained forever such. How they have always been ... real pilots and people !!! Eternal memory to them!

Well, now about the Thread, the topic is so vast that ... but I will be brief:

Quote: Aleksey67

From it learn to take off and land on the simulator of the deck of an aircraft carrier. A useful thing in terms of training, reduces accident rate and as a fact save the lives of pilots and equipment.

The history of deck-based horizontal take-off and landing aviation of the late XNUMXth and early XNUMXst centuries is unthinkable without the Lakehurst training and testing centers in New Jersey and Patuxent River in Maryland (USA), as well as the NITKA training ground in Crimea.
Moreover, if the first two have a clearly accentuated purpose, the NITKA training ground has become a kind of symbiosis for solving the problems of testing take-off and landing systems and aircraft, working out their interaction and training personnel.
The question arises: why does the Navy aviation require such investments to create such centers?
The answer is unequivocal - the scale and location of the training and testing infrastructure of naval aviation are directly dictated by technical progress and the requirements for trouble-free operation of deck-based aviation equipment.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: veteran.air force

To that. as you know, I was immediately ready, even then .... when only this happened ..... the "extreme" was determined immediately, because. the future of the Super-Jet was at stake. Well, we have for a long time ... they cut wood, chips fly ... !!!

I remember it’s just being contrasted that the first pilot almost made a catastrophe, and the second tried to prevent it. I can imagine how their family members will now look at each other ... Some kind of sadism, stick a knife and turn while sprinkling with salt

Quote: veteran.air force

The most important thing is that in our hearts the guys remained forever such. How they have always been ... real pilots and people !!! Eternal memory to them!

Earth they rest in peace! Everlasting memory!!!

Quote: veteran.air force

Well, now about the Thread, the topic is so vast that ... but I will be brief:

Thank you, as always, the comments are on top, clear and accessible

[VAF]

Quote: 755962

Sergei is somewhere on the way

I'm already here, +!

I will continue this news and recall who forgot that the T-50-3 made its first flight in Komsomolsk-on-Amur on November 22, 2011, after which it was transported to Zhukovsky on December 28, where it was finalized.

On June 14, 2012, the T-50-3 aircraft began ground runs in Zhukovsky, but yesterday, June 21. made here the first successful test flight.

[VAF]

Quote: Aleksey67

Is anyone interested in the topic?

You have a strange question, Alexey, +! Hello, buddy !!!

But now, with your permission, a little about something else !!!

About more pleasant news !!!

Yesterday, June 21, 2012, at the airfield of OJSC “Flight Research Institute named after M.M. Gromov "in Zhukovsky, the first test flight of the third flight prototype of the Russian PAK FA fighter aircraft T-50-3 (tail number" 053 ") took place in Zhukovsky.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: veteran.air force

But now, with your permission, a little about another !!! About more pleasant news !!!

Hi, Earrings !!!
News , and photo ...
Handsome !!!!! And the plane and you

[755962]

I fully and completely support it! Against the background of not always positive news, this is like a spark. Nice and invigorating. I look forward to the article on the site!
I look at the photo (053 blue) already in gray-white-blue clothes. Charged, not that (I apologize and understand that it should be for factory tests) the first samples

[VAF]

Quote: 755962

Smart, not that (I apologize and understand that it should be for factory tests) the first samples

Zhenya, +! They are already leaving this, because. they already start painting almost immediately after assembly to hide changes in the airframe design (after all, all composites are in full view), and this is .... know-how and in general ... "waste of technology"!

But back to our Thread, I have vague doubts that it will be the same as in the Crimea, well, or similar .... because. while they brought only the springboard, and here’s how it was, the thread was made and built, look and draw conclusions:

Formation of the bed of the catapult of the BS-1 unit and the premises of the energy compartment with the steam accumulator compartment

Double-barreled "steam locomotive" - ​​split power steam cylinders assembled - prepared for lowering the catapult into the chute: a unique operation that had no precedents in marine engineering in terms of technology and accuracy.
It was carried out at dusk at a steady temperature (temperature stresses in the deck (structure) affected for several days.
Attracted all the available staff of installers
to ensure synchronization of lowering.

Lowering the catapult into the gutter assembly of the docking slot cylinder block and hydraulic brake

And now we look at the photo that my namesake sent from fraternal Ukraine ???
And what do we see .....

[VAF]

Quote: Aleksey67

Hi, Earrings !!!

Hi and ... continue on Thread, +!

The presence of a simulator of the Nitka type provides the safest initial training for pilots of naval aviation, since according to the flight conditions at the UTK NITKA, critical or emergency situations in 95-98% of cases end in going to the second circle, and the rest end in braking on the runway.

Flight statistics on Kuznetsov TAVKR predict such situations with a favorable result, infinitely close to 100%: over 20 years of flight experience, only one case of an incredible combination of circumstances led to a cable break at the last stage of braking, a critical decrease in speed and loss of the Su-33K aircraft .

Lt. Col. Y. Korneev safely left the cockpit at the command of the flight director.

[img]http://paralay.iboards.ru/download/file.php?id=12985&sid=b09567cac1a6d96c21
6d5cd67fa28e25&mode=view[/img]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiZDQCrJOEI&feature=player_embedded

The uniqueness of the accident is confirmed by the ambiguous conclusions of the commission: the incident was caused by the cooperative effect of a combination of unpredictable circumstances.

[Tyumen]

Quote: Aleksey67

Russia in 2011

Serdyukov in the subject, ask him. Today is 2012th.

[bremest]

Everything needs to be built on the territory of Russia, including and the Cosmodrome, otherwise our friends and allies very often, at the request of Yuski, put sticks in our wheels .........

[MILITARY RF]

Yes, the news is good .... it’s a pity that the aircraft carriers could not rashitatsa

[Kars]

I am glad that the money will go to modernize the aviation of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (I hope deeply for this)

[755962]

Andrey, hello! Voprosy. You can somehow control the "work" of working capital. Well, what would the money go to its intended purpose. Respectfully.

[Kars]

In principle, the Audit Office at the request of a deputy or prosecutor. Before the election, they vryatli who decides --- they reported on this matter yesterday on all the news,

[edge]

if only the bureaucrats do not scoop up, and do not withdraw banks in Euro-Amer .....

[sergey69]

[/ Center]
Spetsstroy is building a military airdrome in the city of Yeysk (Krasnodar Territory), where there will be a simulator for training pilots-decks like NITKA, which is currently operating in the Crimea. According to the director of the Federal Agency for Special Construction of the Russian Federation (Spetsstroy) Grigory Naginsky - “In Yeysk, an airfield is being built on which a runway will be built, in the last 20-30 years these have not been built in Russia.”
For training pilots of deck aviation at the aerodrome a simulator complex of the NITKA type will be built. The only gym complex of this type in the territory of the former USSR is located in Crimea. According to the director of Spetsstroy, “the construction of the airfield is planned to be completed in 2012, and the construction of the training ground by 2013. The completion of the entire aviation complex for Naval Aviation in Yeysk is scheduled for 2015.

[Victor]

Everything goes perfectly logical and justified. Only full self-sufficiency of Russia in economic, scientific, technical and military-engineering issues will allow us to conduct a dialogue with the Ukrainian leadership without regard to certain conditions that are put up each time in the negotiation process from the Ukrainian side. No matter how hard it is, but the wedge is knocked out by wedge. For Ukraine to finally realize who is her friend and who is the enemy, it is necessary that she be left face to face with all her problems. Thread, that’s proof.

[Sakhalininsk]

Totally agree with you.
Ukraine, as sad as it is, cannot decide who is truly a friend to it. Time, of course, it will judge everyone and put everything in its place, only now our ancestors in the graves are probably tossing and turning from what they have done to the power and tore it apart.

[Shumer]

"The funds received from the Russian side for the use of the Nitka test site will be converted into national currency and directed to the repair and restoration of military equipment and weapons of the Ukrainian army and navy," the Defense Ministry stressed. - - oh lads, something, somehow it worries me, most likely pennies will go to the modernization of the next dachas, yachts, jeeps, private planes, instead of barracks, ships, tanks and combat aircraft.

[Splin]

I do not agree. In principle, it’s good that our minister doesn’t understand a damn thing about U military affairs, but only one theory. And now the old Air Force commander has been fired, the new one has been ordered to instruct all pilots to fly 40 hours in half a year. Previously, even 20 per year from the force was a raid. Already burned the annual rate of kerosene, but fly!

And if you were a military man, you would know how to grab a piece of the pie, but more. In my battery starley quit. I handed over a job to a young flyer. Filled in the tanks instead of the solarium water and splashed on top of the diesel engine. The lieutenant put a stick in the tank. The liquid is also oily. Well accepted. and then they say two years withheld from paycheck.
Can you imagine what experience our generals have in this matter? Maybe Yezhel for the same reason and removed.

[Tyumen]

Quote: Splin

Filled in the tanks instead of the solarium water and splashed on top of the diesel

Is it really true? It does not fit in the head. For this, do not hold on to salary,
and the top ten without the right to correspondence. Or is officer honor now an empty phrase?

[Splin]

That summer for that? And he started self-propelled guns, but in the fuel system itself for 10 minutes of work is enough. He came to me (I was then a battalion commander). Snot to the knees. Let's go to our lawyer. By law, he is responsible; he accepted the documentation. The case on him had to be sewn. There the tanks were incomplete at the time of admission, but in three cars there was almost a ton of shortage. With the division commander, they decided to do such a big deal through the team’s regiments. This is the lesser of evils than the innocent to plant.
And about the officer honor ... We have always stolen in the army. As soon as relief is stolen. Since the Petrovsky campaigns in Azov. Yes, and modern Russia, those who were in Chechnya, probably also can tell about such cases.

[black_eagle]

It’s that, at the end of the nineties, we had a tank division in the city, now a motorized rifle brigade, a commission arrived, they started turning over the rear, checked fuel dispensers, the usual 60-ton rail tank was buried, they opened it to the eyeballs, laboratory tests were cleared , strange, probably someone’s intuition from the testers worked, we decided to check again, so it turned out! The tank was EMPTY! a cylinder is welded along the necks of the barrels to the bottom, and if it is completely filled, it is not visible that the fuel is only in the barrels and the tank is empty! Then they raised such a chuckler! How many epaulettes flew !!! This is not a tank solariums)))))

[Splin]

Quote: black_eagle

How many epaulettes flew !!! This is not a tank solariums)))))

So I say the more a person has materiel in the army, the more he steals. I can give a lot of such examples, especially when I already served under the Grau. But from repetition, the bitter will not become sweeter. And we are unlikely to succeed in fighting this.

[Krilion]

it seems to me, or judging by the photograph, the summer cottages are already being built almost on the runway of the Ukrainian simulator? ... (upper left corner)

[Shumer]

Absolutely true - this is p.g.t. Novofyodorovka (THREAD is located there), where the entire airfield and simulator are equipped with summer houses and private houses - they sell the land in the village of Tikhorya, which Moscow Region belongs to.

[biglow]

doubtful pleasure to live near the existing military airfield. And now our planes fly there all day without days off

[lukovskoy]

The land of the village, not MO.

[Shumer]

I looked at this village using satellite photos, there is a pier with a helipad on the seashore, and this pad is all in buildings, apparently it’s pubs, bars, etc. - I wonder how much the local command has with them?

[VAF]

Quote: Krilion

judging by the photographs, cottages are already being built almost on the runway of the Ukrainian simulator?

What photo are you talking about, dear ??? And that’s all, +! in the photo by the author of the article, + , yes it is, as we have any free piece of land ..... to yourself!

[ShturmKGB]

Even if there are two simulators, it’s good. One in the Crimea, the other in Russia ...

[shurikchaevnik]

Yes, they built it in due time throughout ONE country - and now everyone is trying to get more out of it, who knew that the country would fall apart. I want to go back to the childhood of the USSR, where I knew that a small uncle would protect me.

[suharev-52]

That paid off with Ukraine - well done. We will finish building the "thread" in Yeisk. And God bless the guys successful and long training sessions. Skill - you will not drink. Sincerely.

[16]

built something in Soviet times !!!!!!!!!! how much was invested !!!!!! eh !!!!!!! damn !!!!!!

[Stasi.]

The fact that they paid off with Ukraine for the "Nitka" complex is good. And it would also be good if this money would actually go to the needs of the Ukrainian army. Only I doubt that it will be so, not because money can be plundered, but because Ukraine in every possible way reduces its Armed Forces, adhering to the adopted strategy of neutrality following the example of Switzerland. Therefore, in the opinion of the Ukrainian leadership, it is necessary to reduce the army.

[Splin]

In Ukraine, it’s not neutral, but non-aligned status. Do not confuse these concepts. And by the way, the most armed country in Europe is Switzerland.

[Kiev]

Again, Yanukovych will have a new helipad!