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Flying to the moon in the movies and in reality. Part three

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Millions of shocked viewers around the world have seen how powerful Saturn-5s with lunar Apollos on board launched from a spaceport on Cape Canaveral.




The surprising openness, as it were, excluded the very statement of the question that anyone in NASA doubts its success, all the more trying to mislead the world.

Direct observation of the launches was carried out by Soviet intelligence vessels in the waters of neutral waters, tracking the launches of the American Apollo at Cape Canaveral.

Radio intelligence has a reliable tracking method that does not depend on the possible false content of the transmitted telemetry. This is a radio direction finding. For the radio direction finding method, it is only important from which direction the radio signal is coming, the more ships participate in radio direction finding, the higher the accuracy. In addition, our sailors used optical observation methods.

However, the demonstrated openness of lunar starts had its limits. In the United States, Operation Crossroad was developed, the scale of its importance reflects the cost of 250 million dollars. The essence of this operation was precisely in all sorts of obstruction of control by the USSR intelligence services of lunar launches from Cape Canaveral.

When three Soviet electronic intelligence vessels cruised in Cape Canaveral during the launch of the Apollo 18 on May 1969 and the seven ships during the Apollo 10 on July (11 on July 16), the Americans did everything to Soviet vessels could not observe the flight of the rocket after its launch. Powerful radio interference was only part of the opposition, the threat of the use of force completed the arguments of US warships.

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It would seem that to hide if all the parameters of the rocket and the entire flight (starting mass, engine power, acceleration mode, dropping the first and second rocket stages, trajectory) are communicated in advance by NASA? If this information is reliable, if the launch of a rocket is demonstrated to the whole world, why simultaneously break off third-party control over its further flight? On the contrary, it would give an extra confirmation of authenticity, would remove any doubts, but as it turns out, there was something to hide “honest gentlemen”.

The efforts of Soviet specialists were not in vain. After repeated observations of the Apollo launches and flights in March, May and July of 1969, the place of the final point of all the Apollo lunars was clearly established. This is a region south of the Azores in the Atlantic, which was confirmed by later public research.

According to the American data, the rocket reached the speed in 2,4 km / s relative to the ambient air before the separation of the first stage. For a long time, this figure was accepted by the majority with absolutely no criticism, while Ph.D. Pokrovsky, using NASA newsreel materials, found that the true speed of the rocket at this moment is substantially less.

Thanks to research on several methods (“Mach cone”, “smoke lagging”, “lateral emissions of explosive products”), it was concluded that the “moon” rocket does fly much slower and at a lower altitude than NASA . In this case, its path hardly lies on the moon, and, most likely, much closer, in the waters of the Atlantic Ocean ...

So, when the region of the true Apollo driveings was already marked, the task was to obtain the "moon" evidence. What happened later will be called by the Soviet specialists a “gift of fate.”

Historical fact: in September 1970, the US Coast Guard icebreaker Southwind entered the port of Murmansk. To the amazed crew of the Saunaweed, an empty command module from the Apollo lunar program, previously caught in the Atlantic by the Soviet Apatit vessel, was handed over.

Flying to the moon in the movies and in reality. Part three


The command module returned by the Soviet Union was loaded onto a US ship.



According to the official version, the sailors of the British Royal Navy lost a capsule with the BP-1227 number in the fog during an emergency rescue training for a spacecraft crewman.

Since the capsule got to Murmansk, what happened then? Most experts do not allow randomness in the disappearance of the capsule, believing that these events were the result of a special operation successfully carried out by Soviet sailors. The trophy was a model of the Apollo 13 command module, the launch of which occurred on April 11 of 1970.

The Apollo-13 launch from Cape Canaveral (as if on the Moon) was carried out in the evening, at 19 hours GMT, the capsule was picked up for the night, thus, the discovery and the space launch are separated in a matter of hours.

The extremely bad weather from 11 to 12 on April 1970, when an unprecedented storm of snow charges broke out in the Bay of Biscay, contributed to the success of Soviet sailors, allowing the Americans to take the trophy under their nose. In addition, the largest naval exercises “Ocean” of the Soviet Navy in the Atlantic, which began on April 14, provided cover for the delivery of the caught capsule to Murmansk, where it was carefully studied.



As noted by Soviet specialists from the TsKBM (Central Engineering Design Bureau), it was a metal, very well made of thick galvanized iron, without traces of corrosion, an overall weight model of the Apollo command module. On the capsule there was no heat protection. The inlet screwed into a multitude of bolts did not suggest the presence of a crew in it, and dark gray spots on the surface of the capsule and its blackened bottom suggested that the capsule flew from near space, more precisely, from the stratosphere.

If the Americans could not create a real rocket with a carrying capacity necessary for flying to the moon, they could only go on mystifying such a rocket as the Saturn-5. For example, when using the Saturn-1B rocket, for a new look in the inflated body. In this case, no astronaut rocket "Saturn-5" and could not carry, being unmanned, and its main task was to fly away from the cosmodrome far away, with an empty disc.

By secreting information about the discovery of the capsule, and especially about the date of this discovery, the Soviet leaders saved the Apollo 13 mission from dangerous doubts, receiving a powerful trump card for further conversations with the Americans.

Naturally, in the USA, a “good mine” was depicted, the capsule was called not differently than the “boiler iron”, almost a trifle at the level of the props that had been fished out and returned, which had no relation to the Saturn-5 launches. But be that as it may, a scandal erupted in the States. It is possible that it was for this reason that the then director of NASA, Thomas Paine, resigned, followed by 15 on September 1970 of the year, that is, exactly one week after the ceremonial transfer of the capsule took place. You can also add here that documents about events that preceded the ceremony in Murmansk should be declassified in the 2021 year, unless a decision is made to extend their statute of limitations.

It must be assumed that the “moon capsule” was, though very weighty, but only part of the “compromising evidence” accumulated by the USSR on the statements of the Americans about the conquest of the Moon.

The main "evidence" of the United States ("lunar soil", which astronauts allegedly brought in kilograms) turned out to be fake. This became especially apparent when comparing with real lunar soil, delivered by Soviet automatic stations. Moreover, having at their disposal first-class widescreen professional cameras “Hasselblad”, a high-quality film on which even specks of dust on the sleeve of a spacesuit would be visible, the Americans showed the world pictures, excusable except to amateurs with cheap cameras.

Constant “experts” from NASA explained the low quality to the public by the fact that when processing photographs brought by astronauts, a technical procedure was used that drastically reduced the quality of the image, from high in the original images to very low in frames posted to the site. It must be thought that nothing other than for "historical believability." In general, the claimed scanning of films from the Hasselblad cameras was conducted not only with a low resolution, but unprecedentedly rough.

A careful study of the official images presented on behalf of the Apollo astronauts, we can conclude that they are not only no different from what American automatic stations transmitted to Earth, but it is very likely that they were made by automatic devices. In this case, everything that the American automatic devices took from the Ranger, Surveyor and Lunar Orbiter programs went into action, and only repeaters and dummies in imitation of presence turned out to be on the Moon, which was prepared in advance. The very "conquerors of the moon" in this situation should have been dropped in their Apollo from transport aircraft into the waters of the Pacific Ocean.

Whatever it was, namely, the main evidence (“lunar soil”, film and photo materials on lunar missions) would later disappear from NASA’s repositories. As they say, the ends in the water.

Now the most important thing: to legitimize before the whole world the conquest of the Moon by the United States allowed only official recognition of this fact by the Soviet Union with its impeccable reputation for all honest and open research in the Soviet space program. Without this, the United States would not have proved anything; moreover, being caught with only fake “lunar soil”, they would have acquired shame and dropped their image “below the plinth”.

Why did the Soviet leadership recognize the conquest of the moon by the United States, moreover, refused to further competition in a manned visit to the moon? Well, let the H-1 rocket required some work, for the possibility of landing on the moon and the return of Soviet cosmonauts to Earth, even if it would be expensive, but to repeat the manned flyby of the moon, already worked out automatically? .. The Americans did not hesitate to be second in the beginning space exploration, what prevented the leadership of the USSR?



There are always causes and effects, including those related to the lunar exploits of the United States, their recognition in the USSR, whose leadership during the Cold War did not in the least question the surprising success of potential enemies. So who crowned the United States with the moon crown, why was this possible? As one character said in a popular Soviet cartoon: “Oh, brother! These are crooks. They are plotting a sinister crime on the roof ... "

To believe this or not, but the “deal with the devil” could well have taken place, in fact, to mix the US with mud, initially nobody wanted to disgrace the Soviet leadership. In this case, the unconditional victory of socialism, the feat of the Soviet people, the communist idea and the highest morality were exchanged for short-term benefits, like those Indians who gave their pure gold for cheap mirrors and glass beads.

Adherents of American supremacy in space, especially paid for provocateurs and other US patriots, are ready to pour mud at the whole “soviet”, convincing everyone and everything that the Americans were on the Moon. At the same time, even agreeing with the mysterious hints that the United States was forbidden to continue to fly to the moon by aliens ...

What is worse illiteracy? As Leo Tolstoy said, semi-literacy is worse than complete ignorance. So people have enough knowledge to understand what they are told, but they do not have enough knowledge to understand what they are keeping back.

No miracles, everything has a scientific explanation, in which the United States physically could not successfully fly to the moon in the last century. Only recognition of the USSR legalized the American lunar scam, which was a grand political mistake of the then Soviet leadership, which ultimately led to the death of the Soviet Union.

Some of our astronauts were then impressed by the trip to the United States, believing in the lunar feat of the “friends”. Others from the deal, also sealed by joint falsification in orbit (Soyuz-Apollo), became not only artists, but also storytellers, jealously confirming American wonders on the Moon.

As you wish, but in the end, if the United States conquered the moon, proving its complete superiority over the USSR and socialism, with what kindness did they go to defuse international tensions and unprecedented concessions to the Soviet Union?

For the first time in world history, US President Richard Nixon personally flies to Moscow (May 1972 of the year). A record number of contracts and agreements are signed.

Indeed, many significant events coincided surprisingly with the American triumph on the moon. This is the end of the Cold War, the “detente”, the thaw in relations with the United States and the whole Western world, and many other concessions of the West, received by the USSR in foreign policy. Why did these bourgeois gifts bore down on him, moreover, if the Soviet Union lost the space race? We will not be here unfounded.

The embargo on the supply of Soviet oil to Western Europe was lifted, the USSR began to penetrate the Western gas market, where it has been successfully operating to this day.

An agreement was reached on the supply of American grain to the USSR at prices lower than the world average, which even had a negative effect on the welfare of the Americans themselves.

Finally, it is noted that Western companies built chemical plants in the USSR in exchange for the finished products of these plants, that is, the Soviet Union received modern enterprises without investing a penny from themselves.

More than 700 foreign firms from 19 countries of Europe (CMEA and Western Europe), the USA, Canada and Japan took part in equipping KamAZ. The Americans even handed over drawings of their International truck for production in the Soviet Union, which later became the prototype of KamAZ.

The complete production cycle of modern electronic components, including semiconductor integrated circuits, also appeared in the Soviet Union at this time.

Leonid Ilyich himself was also not ignored. These are expensive gifts. For example, when returning, take the United States (1973 year) to Leonid Brezhnev presented “Lincoln Continental”, a fashionable American sedan of dark blue color. A car worth 10 000 dollars (about 60 000 in dollars 2018 of the year), engraved on the dashboard of the car read: “For a good memory. Best wishes".

As a result, the Cold War and the constant threat of a full-fledged nuclear catastrophe were then a thing of the past, and the peak of “detente” was the Helsinki Act of 1975 of the year, which asserted the inviolability of the borders established in Europe after World War II. That would not have been the case with the Soviet Union defeated in space.

But the "kindness" of capitalism ends quickly. What is done is done.

I would also like to recall here the subtle KGB humor of Vladimir Vladimirovich, when he asked the question of American falsification on the Moon that it was impossible to falsify such an event. Like, this is the same as arguing that the 11 of September, the Americans themselves blew up the twin towers, themselves led the actions of terrorists. Yes, who would doubt American honesty! Especially after the shock of the “white powder” in the UN for aggression against Iraq ...

Anyone who is still touched by the phrase "This is one small step for a man, but a giant leap for all of humanity," I would like to say that the United States is not the whole of humanity.
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Flying to the moon in the movies and in reality. Part two
Flying to the moon in the movies and in reality. Part one
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  1. wooja
    wooja April 6 2019 15: 10
    0
    Not new ... but who knows ...?
    1. depressant
      depressant April 6 2019 15: 53
      +21
      Dear Author, brilliant article! Congratulations from the bottom of my heart! And, most importantly, how competently you connected NASA's space puncture with the warming in relations between the USSR and the USA. This aspect of international relations was somehow not thought of. This means where the legs grew from the relative prosperity of the Brezhnev stagnation ... And the tape on which the Hungarian journalists filmed the transfer of the "module" to our Americans, apparently, later gave them to the Americans, but within the framework of a political deal.
      1. wooja
        wooja April 6 2019 15: 58
        +5
        The source of the materials exists independently ..., the author briefly outlined the essence ..., quite sensibly, look if it's interesting ... there is much more, I read it myself, but I don’t remember the link.
      2. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko April 6 2019 17: 00
        +8
        Quote: depressant
        Somehow, this aspect of international relations has not been thought of.

        Anyone who was deeply interested in the lunar theme, first of all, paid attention to all those political and economic "nishtyaks" that were suspiciously coinciding in time, which the USSR had fallen from the "successful conquerors of the Moon" in the 70s. = _ =
        1. Waddimm
          Waddimm April 6 2019 19: 24
          +5
          Quote: Kuroneko
          all those political and economic "nishtyaks" that the USSR fell from in the 70s from the "successful conquerors of the moon"

          And then what happened? When in the 80th blockade of the Olympiad was announced? The dirt became irrelevant? For shy? Are you scared?
          1. Igor V
            Igor V April 6 2019 21: 54
            +10
            Quote: Waddimm
            And then what happened?

            Well, First of all, someone didn’t like it all, Nixon got a Watergate, and he resigned. Further leaders did not consider themselves bound by any obligations.
            1. Waddimm
              Waddimm April 6 2019 22: 24
              +7
              Quote: Igor V
              Further leaders did not consider themselves bound by any obligations.

              Well, what are ours?
              How are real pioneers? Did you keep that word ?!
              1. Igor V
                Igor V April 6 2019 23: 09
                +1
                Quote: Waddimm
                Well, what are ours?
                How are real pioneers? Did you keep that word ?!

                Maybe yes. Our people generally try to keep their word. In addition, ours got something, and the topic was kept secret. It seems that the Americans tied us with the Union - Apollo. Studies show that the Union flew, and Apollo is doubtful. Even in the contract there was a corresponding article about if Apollo does not take off due to weather or other conditions. Then the program still had to be considered complete. If ours exposed the lunar program, we would have to expose this one. It would turn out to be all thin.
                1. Locksmith
                  Locksmith April 7 2019 21: 30
                  +4
                  Quote: Igor V
                  It seems that the Americans tied us with the Union - Apollo. Studies show that the Union flew, and Apollo is doubtful.

                  I read where our people docked with this Apollon ... gloom, they really didn’t even know that if you set the orbital speed, then the orbit increases and the docking is impossible, and in order to catch the vehicle that has gone far ahead, you need to ... reduce the orbital speed. laughing
                2. alexnmv5
                  alexnmv5 April 8 2019 02: 53
                  +1
                  And that ours can now. To say now that the Americans were not on the moon is the same as admitting that they are not professional suckers.
                3. Aleksandr21
                  Aleksandr21 April 8 2019 05: 56
                  -4
                  Quote: Igor V
                  Maybe yes. Our people generally try to keep their word. In addition, ours got something, and the topic was kept secret.


                  In order to seriously discuss the version of the collusion between the USA and the USSR on the Lunar program, you need to have some kind of evidence base. So far there is nothing to prove this to date. Participants of the Soviet Lunar program - still hold the position that the Americans were on the Moon, and many are no longer alive, and even before death no one split (did not tell relatives, left some documents / notes in books, etc.) in general, there’s nothing at all. The argument that we supposedly received something and still remain silent, is again an unproven statement .... the period of warming in relations between the United States and Russia has long passed, there are times that you wonder if a nuclear war will begin between our countries and ours before still silent? Does anyone seriously believe this? About the image it is generally past the box office, the USSR was destroyed for a long time, and Russia (even though we are the heirs of the USSR), but still it is already a different country, with a different system. In addition, after all, not only LRO, but also Chandrayan-1 (India) and Kaguya (Japan) discovered traces of the USA on the Moon, how does this fit into the conspiracy theory between the USA and the USSR?
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                  2. Igor V
                    Igor V April 8 2019 10: 28
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                    Quote: Aleksandr21
                    you need to have some kind of evidence base

                    That's it. Evidence is needed on both sides. But they are not. But there is a huge bunch of arguments against. Supporters ignore this heap, opponents use it. That's all.
                    When our next lunar spacecraft successfully went to the moon, then
                    . The first concern is to edit the TASS message and transfer it to Moscow.
                    The second concern is to obtain permission to immediately notify Professor Lowell, director of the English Observatory, Jodrell Bank, about the launch. In all of Europe, only this observatory had a large antenna, which was able to monitor our rocket on the way to the moon and confirm that we really did not miss.
                    BE Chertok "Rockets and People", book 2.
                    1. Aleksandr21
                      Aleksandr21 April 8 2019 10: 35
                      -5
                      Quote: Igor V
                      That's it. Evidence is needed on both sides. But they are not.


                      The American side provided evidence, the LRO pictures are pretty good, though the resolution is not so close there, but you can see the traces of them, or take the statements of the Indian side and the Japanese that they found the traces of the Americans on the moon, do not you consider this evidence or confirmation of the American version?
                      1. Igor V
                        Igor V April 8 2019 11: 49
                        +5
                        I am a technical person, for me the best proof would be the presence of the main elements of space systems: docking nodes, life support elements, etc. In 70 (maybe in 69, I don't remember exactly), the Americans, having arrived in Moscow to negotiate the Union - Apollo, presented us with drawings of a docking station based on automobile shock absorbers (!). Our people immediately rejected this decision, because they had already encountered "cosmic friction" and knew that the shock absorbers did not work, they immediately jam. But this was in the midst of the Americans' lunar flights.
                        I do not want to convince anyone of anything, but the facts give reason to think.
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr April 8 2019 13: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: Igor V
                        I do not want to convince anyone of anything, but the facts give reason to think.

                        When the Americans showed an allegedly real TV session from the camera of a moving rover, here everyone who understands something about parabolic antennas and television will confidently say “I don’t believe!”. Shilnikov, an expert in television technology, unequivocally stated that it was impossible to conduct television sessions from the Moon due to the low energy of the signal, although he believes in the landing itself. Paradox...
                      3. Rec
                        Rec April 11 2019 02: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        real television show from the camera of a moving rover

                        If we consider a session that appears for a second and a disappearing image is shown. It did not work out for them. But they did not hide it.
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr April 11 2019 10: 15
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                        Quote: Rec
                        It did not work out for them. But they did not hide it.

                        They also hid it, and even Leonov, telling that he saw a DIRECT report from the Moon, admitted this:
                        Correspondent: Why was studio shooting used?
                        Alexei Leonov explained that in order for the viewer to be able to see the development of what is happening from beginning to end on the movie screen, elements of filming are used in any movie. “It was impossible, for example, to remove the real opening by Neil Armstrong of the hatch of the descent ship on the moon - there was simply no one to remove from the surface! For the same reason, it was impossible to remove Armstrong's descent to the moon along the ladder from the ship. These are the moments really captured by Kubrick in Hollywood studios for the development of the logic of what is happening, and laid the foundation for numerous gossip that the entire landing was allegedly modeled on the set, ”explained Alexei Leonov.
                        Correspondent: Where does the truth begin and the installation ends?
                        “The real shooting began when Armstrong, who first set foot on the moon, got used to it a bit, installed a highly directional antenna through which it was broadcast to Earth. His partner Buzz (Edwin) Aldrin then also left the ship to the surface and began to shoot Armstrong, and he, in turn, filmed his movement on the surface of the moon, ”said the astronaut.
                        Well, here's something cleared up. To cast doubt on the words of the outstanding cosmonaut Alexei Leonov about the filming of the landing of the American astronaut Apollo 11 on the moon, in my opinion, no one would dare.

                        As for the "second", I saw a video on YouTube (I really can't find the link now), where they were reporting from the rover for more than one second. At least during the stops, this definitely happened. Well, the Americans admitted this only when they realized that none of the specialists would believe them that this was possible. Why, then, did you plan such a shooting while driving?
                4. Bratkov Oleg
                  Bratkov Oleg April 19 2019 21: 00
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                  They not only to the moon, they did not fly into space at all, manned flights, even 10 years after the flight of Gagarin. And, since they quite succeeded in imitating it, they also decided to overtake the USSR, "fly to the moon."
                  However, while the USSR and its heirs accept the fact of the flight to the moon as true, Russia continues to sell oil to capitalist countries without hindrance, regardless of any sanctions. And she began to consistently receive currency for oil, just after the aforementioned "flight to the moon".
                  Only illiterate dumbasses can call it a gas station for this. The United States is struggling to become a gas boiler for Europe, and it doesn’t work out.
              2. ccsr
                ccsr April 7 2019 10: 33
                -1
                Quote: Waddimm
                Well, what are ours?
                How are real pioneers? Did you keep that word ?!

                They were afraid to be dishonored after they themselves congratulated the Americans on the landing. The damage from revealing the scam to our scientists and our military-industrial complex after the leaders of the USSR recognized the landing was disproportionate in terms of reputation losses - the whole world would have ridiculed us.
                1. Bratkov Oleg
                  Bratkov Oleg April 19 2019 21: 04
                  0
                  They were not only on the moon, they did not fly into space at all, another 10 years after Gagarin’s flight. It’s just that Brezhnev sold us when they sold oil to countries, since then stably, to this day, not all money has been returned to the USSR, to the national economy. A part remained in Western banks, and this money was used by relatives and members of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Now this is officially being done, they are the owner-capitalists, and they do what they want. They sold the Soviet people, but another 10 years after Gagarin’s flight, not a single American fell into space, into orbit, and there’s nothing to say about the moon.
          2. pafegosoff
            pafegosoff April 6 2019 22: 22
            +7
            "We don't play here, here I wrapped the fish ..."
            We supply rocket engines, we have common business with NASA. Khrunichev center destroyed? Somewhere we pretend that we are at war, somewhere we are at war, and somewhere obediently we are fulfilling agreements, instructions and other matters.
            In the "Literary Gazette" on page 16 in the early 1980s it was:
            "The old man from apartment four
            Contained a crocodile in the apartment.
            The crocodile yearned.
            Sometimes I drank.
            But the reality is deeper and broader. "
          3. lucul
            lucul April 6 2019 22: 51
            +3
            And then what happened? When in the 80th blockade of the Olympiad was announced? The dirt became irrelevant? For shy? Are you scared?

            )))
            I explain on the fingers - according to the commune theory, socialism must be built on a global scale, because socialism and capitalism cannot coexist together - or this or that must win. But with the discovery of nuclear weapons, military victory became meaningless. The winner got only the globe infected by radiation. The leadership of the USSR was at an impasse. And then, by the way, our people caught this doc.doc (dummy from Apollo 13), which could be shown to the world and refuted the amers landing on the moon. The question immediately arises - why not show it? Yes, just the Americans made an offer that the Soviet leadership could not refuse)).
            Namely - the USSR (the elite in the first place) was invited to enter the Western world ON EQUAL !!!! (in fact, the shaving even the French and Germans do not keep their peers). And the elite of the USSR was not able to refuse - the only thing left was to convince the people of this, that is, the need to change the state system from socialist to capitalist. It is from these years that all the problems of the USSR begin as a successful system. As a result, it led to empty shelves in stores, but with overstocked warehouses and finally to the 1991 coup.
            And even now, they are holding a carrot in front of the elite of Russia (entry on an equal footing) - a very effective destabilizing hook.
            Everything I wrote is only a figment of my imagination - and not the ultimate truth. )))
            PS here is also a useful article on the topic of elites.
            https://m.aftershock.news/?q=node/637689&full
            1. Captain45
              Captain45 April 7 2019 11: 27
              +3
              Quote: lucul
              Yes, just the Americans made an offer that the Soviet leadership could not refuse)).

              But soon we will fly to the moon, -
              And what do we fight with America:
              Left - to us, right - to them,
              And the rest is for the Chinese.
              V.S. Vysotsky 1965
            2. Captain Nemo
              Captain Nemo April 7 2019 17: 29
              +5
              The top of the USSR since 1953 began a departure from communism. Moreover, Khrushchev came to power not as an outstanding business executive, but as a cunning careerist. Accordingly, he put such people on the most important posts. Is it necessary to explain what began to happen in the national economy of the USSR? So to speak, the prototype of future defective managers. Curtailing the Stalinist program for transforming nature, aimed at combating droughts by growing forests, insane development of virgin lands, and other tricks of the bear in a china shop. The standard of living in the USSR began to decline sharply. It smelled of a new revolution. Clan Khrushchev frightened to get rid of his godfather, but could not coordinately improve the management of the economy, because the reverse selection in the party committee has already been dispersed to full speed. And here is such a gift from the USA. You already refuse the ideology, support the lies about the lunar program, and we will open our markets for your oil and gas, supply cheap food, industrial technologies to compensate for your incapacity, peace, chewing gum, silence about the murder of Stalin. The conspiracy of course took place.
              1. victor50
                victor50 April 8 2019 11: 26
                0
                Quote: Captain Nemo
                Is it necessary to explain what began to happen in the national economy of the USSR? So to speak, the prototype of future defective managers.

                The first to fly into space thanks to the collapsing national economy! lol
                Quote: Captain Nemo
                The standard of living in the USSR began to decline sharply.

                Oh how! This you tell those who lived then, as the standard of living declined, starved, apparently, still all! laughing Worse, when historical facts begin to be adapted to invented theories.
          4. Observer2014
            Observer2014 April 7 2019 08: 47
            +3
            Quote: Waddimm
            Quote: Kuroneko
            all those political and economic "nishtyaks" that the USSR fell from in the 70s from the "successful conquerors of the moon"

            And then what happened? When in the 80th blockade of the Olympiad was announced? The dirt became irrelevant? For shy? Are you scared?

            No, it’s just that the received loot in Western banks put their scrotum in a star-striped hand. Fershteyn? wink
    2. Captain Nemo
      Captain Nemo April 6 2019 22: 59
      +10
      Soviet power lasted from 1937 to 1953. Since 1953, politics has changed dramatically in the USSR. Trotskyists came to power. In all spheres of activity of the USSR, degradation began. 1962 - workers revolt in Novocherkassk due to a sharp decline in living standards. At the top of the CPSU, there was only one thing in their head how to maintain their personal power. And the US proposal to change the truth for a comfortable life was accepted by the partocrats, crowded with careerists and cosmopolitans with a bang. - Something like this was explained to me by the old machine operator on our collective farm, equipping another spare parking lot for his diesel fuel.
      The north wind gives birth to the Vikings, and life as a parasite kills them ...
  2. Nord2015
    Nord2015 April 6 2019 15: 23
    +2
    Someday it will be reliably known. Neil Armstrong's landing modules and footprints should last indefinitely.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2019 19: 25
      0
      There are a lot of things left - from cameras, ending with a lunar rover.
      1. purple
        purple April 7 2019 16: 57
        +4
        Yes there were no Americans on the moon ... that you as a child ... believe in fairy tales
      2. Setrac
        Setrac April 7 2019 20: 38
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        There are a lot of things left - from cameras, ending with a lunar rover.

        All this does not prove man’s flight to the moon.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 9 2019 21: 35
          +1
          It proves everything.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 10 2019 12: 14
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            It proves everything.

            So our Lunokhod proves that the Soviet cosmonauts landed on the moon. You will not deny this, based on your logic?
          2. Setrac
            Setrac April 10 2019 17: 15
            -1
            Quote: Vadim237
            It proves everything.

            This does not prove anything, there were no Americans on the moon, they had nothing to fly into space, but they flung it to the moon.
      3. Tsoy
        Tsoy April 20 2019 02: 50
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        There are a lot of things left - from cameras, ending with a lunar rover.


        What are you doing here? Here they have their own atmosphere ...
    2. faridg7
      faridg7 April 6 2019 19: 43
      +9
      Quote: Nord2015
      Neil Armstrong's landing modules and footprints should last indefinitely.

      Not at all, a small asteroid is about to hit this point, bounce off and rebound at other landing points. No, it already happened, definitely already happened
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 7 2019 00: 10
        -4
        Do not hit - the probability of 1 in 10 million.
        1. Zefr
          Zefr April 7 2019 21: 02
          +6
          Nothing, if you really need to, will definitely hit. did the plane somehow hit the tower?
  3. Basil50
    Basil50 April 6 2019 15: 26
    +13
    That how Americans lie is shown repeatedly. Thank you TV and now the Internet. How the Presidents swear in the USA under oath, how the officials of all administrations lie, we saw. We also saw how European presidents lie. At the same time, they appointed themselves to be judges and prosecutors and executioners. It is impossible to believe neither Americans nor Caucasians do not respect themselves. That in * business *, that in politics, that in science they lie shamelessly and brazenly. And why be ashamed because they are paid for it and not bad and no responsibility.
    1. Rec
      Rec April 11 2019 02: 05
      +1
      Quote: Vasily50
      Presidents swear in the USA under oath

      Won about Monica alone, and where is he? And I would say what happened, the demon beguiled, it would have turned out differently.
  4. Plague doctor
    Plague doctor April 6 2019 15: 38
    +7
    Of course, in those years (and today too), creating a rocket to fly to the moon, and even with auxiliary equipment, was not an easy task. Plus, the crew was returned back to the earth. The USSR, and then Russia, which are behind the Americans are most affected in this story. .Even if the United States says that their astronauts were not on the moon, then Russia will refute this with foam at the mouth. Question why?
    1. wooja
      wooja April 6 2019 15: 48
      -4
      politics is a very bizarre phenomenon ... maybe Russia and the USSR also have something to hide, everyone has enough skeletons in their closets ...
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 6 2019 17: 15
      +1
      Why did you get the idea that Russia with foam at the mouth will prove the fact of the Amerzians’ flight to the moon? One does not need to identify some liberal media and Russia.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2019 19: 28
      -3
      And they created it all - using slide rules.
      1. purple
        purple April 7 2019 16: 59
        +1
        what have they created and who are they? If you look at things with an open mind, and with analysis .... well, there were no Americans on the moon
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 9 2019 21: 38
          -1
          You don’t have an analysis - there is only jaundice, but all the rockets and everything were created by engineers, including ours, using slide rules.
    4. victor50
      victor50 April 8 2019 11: 29
      -1
      Quote: Plague Doctor
      Of course in those years (and today too) to create a rocket for flying to the moon, and even with auxiliary equipment, the task is not easy

      Our rockets were created at the same time ... And what are they falling today ?! laughing
      1. Rec
        Rec April 11 2019 02: 07
        0
        Quote: victor50
        Our rockets were created at the same time ... And what are they falling today ?!

        Not made then, but now ...
  5. Waddimm
    Waddimm April 6 2019 15: 46
    +1
    That is, in exchange for the confirmation of the "lunar swindle" of the United States, the USSR received detente, all high-tech industries originate from the "lunar scam", and the short-sighted and selfish Soviet leadership for the "colored beads" lost the opportunity to win the most principled race with the opposing system? And even ten years later, when the Cold War was again at its peak, and then, when the country was gone, not a single competent witness was found?
    No, not convinced!
    Wishful thinking, pulling evidence by the ears, this is "not our method."
    True on the moon! Everything else, without confirmed numbers, documented witnesses, is speculation and speculation.
    However, they are not enough to click the US on the nose!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 6 2019 16: 01
      +14
      Quote: Waddimm
      No, not convinced!

      That is, the fact that the government of the USSR committed treason by supporting the American lunar scam is not convincing? And when exactly the same government, the same KGB, the same CPSU committed treason - the collapse of the USSR - is it convincing?
      Quote: Waddimm
      True on the moon!

      Truth on Earth. The most reliable proof of Americans flying to the moon could be the availability of the US VALID system for flying to the moon. But why dumb - that dumb.
      No one doubts Gagarin’s flight into space - but because the whole world flies on the ISS on Russian rockets.
      1. Waddimm
        Waddimm April 6 2019 16: 41
        -6
        Quote: Setrac
        Truth on Earth.

        To believe or not to believe is everyone’s personal and even intimate affair. You can believe any theories and versions on this subject, all of them have the right to exist until refuted. But true knowledge gives only the already proven and repeatedly confirmed assumption!
        Evidence, the assumptions set forth in the article, is not given any.
        About the Moon of truth on Earth you will not find. An explanation has already been voiced for any of your versions.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 6 2019 16: 44
          +6
          Quote: Waddimm
          Believe or not believe

          I convincingly proved to you that the government of the USSR could have gone to a criminal conspiracy for the sake of "cookies", everything else is your speculation. And to believe the Americans - I'm not that stupid yet.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 6 2019 17: 52
            +2
            Quote: Setrac
            I have convincingly proved to you that the government of the USSR could go to a criminal conspiracy for the sake of "cookies", everything else is your speculation.

            You apparently forget that the lunar race ruined us, and therefore it was beneficial for our government to recognize the primacy of the Americans in order to close our lunar program.
            Subsequently, we made the same mistake with Buran when we spent more than 16 billion Soviet rubles on one unmanned flight of our shuttle, thereby wasting money on our prestige, which was hardly needed for space exploration. By the way, the entire construction of BAM cost our country about 17 billion rubles, so you can understand how thoughtlessly we spent the astronomical amount, and how we could use it to improve the well-being of our people.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 6 2019 21: 45
              +1
              Quote: ccsr
              You apparently forget that the lunar race ruined us, and therefore it was beneficial for our government to recognize the primacy of the Americans in order to close our lunar program.

              This is all rubbish, the USSR closed hundreds of important programs without any explanation of the reasons. To close the lunar program of the USSR, the reasons were not needed.
              Quote: ccsr
              so you can understand how thoughtlessly we spent the astronomical amount, and how we could use it to improve the well-being of our people.

              And what does the flight of American astronauts to the moon or its absence?
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 7 2019 10: 30
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                This is all rubbish, the USSR closed hundreds of important programs without any explanation of the reasons.

                The shuttle was already flying and we needed to demonstrate something in order to prove that we are not behind the Americans.
                Quote: Setrac
                To close the lunar program of the USSR, the reasons were not needed.

                We need some very compelling ones - you simply do not know the ideological confrontation of those years, but I found it.
                Quote: Setrac
                And what does the flight of American astronauts to the moon or its absence?

                Despite the fact that we did not need to get involved in the lunar race, and initially limited only to Lunokhods.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac April 7 2019 11: 12
                  -1
                  Quote: ccsr
                  The shuttle was already flying and we needed to demonstrate something in order to prove that we are not behind the Americans.

                  So what then canceled the flight to the moon - if so it was necessary to demonstrate something? Because the USSR did not have to prove anything. The USSR could close any project without any justification.
                  Quote: ccsr
                  We need some very compelling ones - you simply do not know the ideological confrontation of those years, but I found it.

                  You are not in the know, but I found that time.
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr April 7 2019 11: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    So what then canceled the flight to the moon - if so it was necessary to demonstrate something?

                    Read the discussion from the beginning - I already explained that RELIABILITY was not enough to guarantee the return of the astronauts from the moon, and the project costs are huge. It is for these reasons that they decided to stop our development, deciding not to challenge the primacy of the Americans.
                    Quote: Setrac
                    You are not in the know, but I found that time.

                    Well, if you found it, you should have remembered that in the sixties we still had a six-day period, and many cities could not even get rid of the ruins of World War II.
          2. Waddimm
            Waddimm April 6 2019 17: 54
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            convincingly proved

            On the contrary, you speculated, but as evidence you brought a fact unrelated to it. Other people, different times, other circumstances.
            Quote: Setrac
            And believe the Americans

            I believe officials - specialists of the USSR space rocket industry, who have repeatedly confirmed the fact of the Americans’ flight to the moon. There is no evidence of their lies yet.
            Quote: Setrac
            everything else is your speculation

            No, I'm just sticking to the official version, as there is no convincing evidence to the contrary. And (in secret) I would like no less than your USA lunar program to turn out to be a soap bubble! But facts are stubborn things!
            So there’s less emotion, no matter what, it’s depriving the constructive debate on an interesting topic!
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 6 2019 21: 42
              +3
              Quote: Waddimm
              On the contrary, you speculated, but as evidence you brought a fact unrelated to it.

              The collapse of the USSR proves that the government of the USSR could have gone to a criminal conspiracy for the sake of, as you say - "cookies", why do you reject the obvious? Why LIE?
              Quote: Waddimm
              There is no evidence of their lies yet.

              Quote: Waddimm
              No, I'm just sticking to the official version, as there is no convincing evidence to the contrary.

              However, there is no conclusive evidence for the "direct" (as opposed to your "reverse").
              It is necessary to prove the event - a flight to the moon - and not its absence.
              Quote: Waddimm
              And (in secret) I would like no less than your USA lunar program to turn out to be a soap bubble! But facts are stubborn things!

              And on the contrary, I would like the Americans’s flight to the moon to be true, but alas - the facts are stubborn things.
              Quote: Waddimm
              There is no evidence of their lies yet.

              Evidence of the lies of the Americans of the OCEAN, now I can’t remember that they told the truth contrary to their interests, this simply did not happen.
              1. Waddimm
                Waddimm April 6 2019 21: 56
                -1
                Quote: Setrac
                The collapse of the USSR proves

                I repeat once again. Two unrelated events. What do you pull by the ears of one to the other.
                Quote: Setrac
                Why lie?

                Quote: Setrac
                as you say - "cookies"

                Quote: Setrac
                Itata: Waddimm
                There is no evidence of their lies yet.

                Evidence of the lies of the oceans


                You have an amazing manner of arguing: you accuse me of lying, although I did not make a single assumption; ascribe to me your words about "cookies"; distort the meaning of my phrase about lies (not about the Americans, but about ours. Why? Are the arguments over?
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac April 6 2019 22: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Waddimm
                  You have an amazing manner of arguing: you accuse me of lying, although I did not make a single assumption; ascribe to me your words about "cookies";

                  Sorry, I put it wrong. Not you personally, but supporters of the lunar scam in general.
                  Quote: Waddimm
                  I repeat once again. Two unrelated events. What do you pull by the ears of one to the other.

                  Meanwhile, these two events are directly related. It was trade with the West that ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR, or rather, it became one of the main reasons.
          3. AUL
            AUL April 7 2019 09: 51
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            I have convincingly proved to you that the government of the USSR could go to a criminal conspiracy for the sake of "cookies",

            Do you really consider your arguments convincing? laughing
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 7 2019 11: 22
              0
              Quote: AUL
              Do you really consider your arguments convincing?

              Do you deny the collapse of the USSR? wassat
              1. AUL
                AUL April 7 2019 16: 17
                +3
                No and you?
                Actually, I asked about something else. Agree that to argue the issue of amers flight to the moon in 69 (debatable) with the collapse of the USSR in the 91st (unconditional) is somewhat .. uh ... illogical!
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac April 7 2019 20: 27
                  -2
                  Quote: AUL
                  to argue the issue of the flight of amers to the moon in 69 (debatable) with the collapse of the USSR in the 91st (unconditional) is somewhat .. uh ... illogical!

                  Everything is logical, I argue that a criminal conspiracy of the leaders of the USSR to confirm the lunar fraud of the MTF takes place, arguing that there was a criminal conspiracy to break up the USSR.
                  The likelihood that American astronauts successfully flew repeatedly to the moon is three orders of magnitude lower than the probability that this is a scam and there was a conspiracy with the leaders of the USSR to confirm this scam.
                  Everything is logical.
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 April 7 2019 11: 42
        -2
        Quote: Setrac
        The most reliable proof of Americans flying to the moon could be the availability of the US VALID system for flying to the moon. But why dumb - that dumb.

        Taking into account the pathological greed of the capitalists and the undoubted presence on the Moon of any minerals and minerals that are absent on Earth during the time elapsed since the time of the lunar expeditions, the bourgeoisie would have long ago built a base on the Moon for exclusive production and sale on Earth at cosmic prices such minerals, and a spacecraft of the "Shuttle" type would carry these minerals from the moon with the frequency of the metro train, and all the costs of this were paid off by a complete monopoly on implementation. However, none of this happened, and yet Marx said that "provide capital with 300% of the profit and there is no such crime that he would not commit." And this is not a crime, but a confirmation of one's power and superiority over socialism in all spheres. However, nothing has been done. Question - Why? What was the reason? It is necessary to dig, to dig a lump, as there in the Bible: "Seek and you will find, push and it will open And the gates will dissolve ..."
    2. Alexey Sommer
      Alexey Sommer April 6 2019 20: 13
      0
      Quote: Waddimm
      True on the moon!

      That's for it +
      And judging by the fact that they have not been on the moon for a long time, they want to hide this truth)
    3. Ural-4320
      Ural-4320 April 6 2019 21: 49
      +2
      No one argues that the truth is on the moon. But the current development of video and computer technology already allows real-time creation of talking heads of people from photography. The network is full of videos. What is now worth drawing from old photos of new evidence? Yes, even three-dimensional, even a hologram.
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    4. purple
      purple April 7 2019 17: 00
      +1
      The USSR after Stalin did not represent anything ... the government had a bunch of mediocrity, who were afraid of their shadow ... that's why it happened
      1. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper April 8 2019 18: 50
        +1
        Quote: purple
        The USSR after Stalin did not represent anything ... the government had a bunch of mediocrity, who were afraid of their shadow ... that's why it happened

        Nevertheless, these "mediocrity" (c) Moved tens of millions of families from barracks into apartments, albeit not very much. Leadership in the space race for a very long time. We set up a huge number of houses of culture, circles and sections for children, provided everyone with work, and those who wanted to work received a decent salary.
        Be careful with statements that after Stalin "everything collapsed"
        From SW.
    5. metis1977
      metis1977 April 7 2019 20: 32
      -1
      It is enough to fly over the Apollo landing sites, take pictures on camera and publish the communities, because today's technologies allow. Pictures from LRO not to offer, because arrows with the words "Vasyan was here" are already pretty tired.
  6. Nick_R
    Nick_R April 6 2019 15: 50
    -1
    Why did the Soviet leadership recognize the conquest of the moon by the United States, moreover, refused further competition in a manned visit to the moon? 

    A very logical question. But I doubt very much that some kind of economic cookies could outweigh the moral satisfaction of demonstrating the victory of socialism over the completely lied imperialists.
    The truth about the moon lies of the Americans could be kept behind the teeth only if the Americans had a similar dirt on the USSR. And what can be compared in scale with the flight of a man to the moon? Only the first manned space flight. . .
    Gagarin died half a year before the first manned flight of Apollo 7
    1. wooja
      wooja April 6 2019 16: 00
      +1
      who knows ... both sides still hold each other for ... scrotum ....
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 6 2019 16: 06
      +4
      Quote: Nick_R
      But I doubt very much that some kind of economic cookies could outweigh the moral satisfaction of demonstrating the victory of socialism over the completely lied imperialists.

      On the basis of what "moral satisfaction from the demonstration of the victory of socialism over the utterly lying imperialists" was the USSR collapsed? For the sake of those "cookies".
      Quote: Nick_R
      And what can be compared in scale with the flight of a man to the moon?

      The assassination of Stalin by the "communists". Usurpation of the CPSU power in the USSR. Power in the country passed from the Soviets of People's Commissars to the Central Committee of the CPSU. Betrayal of the party elites and, as a result, the collapse of the USSR.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 6 2019 16: 24
        +4
        Quote: Setrac
        Power in the country passed from the Soviets of People's Commissars to the Central Committee of the CPSU. The betrayal of party elites and, as a result, as a result of the collapse of the USSR.

        You name or you yourself guess where the old members in United Russia? Take any senior citizen in power (and not only) - all ex-communists or ex-Komsomol members. The fused cell of society.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 6 2019 16: 26
          +2
          Quote: ROSS 42
          You name it or you yourself guess where the old members in United Russia? Take any senior citizen in power (and not only) - all ex-communists or ex-Komsomol members. The fused cell of society.

          Well, it’s not for that that the USSR was collapsed-not to lose power.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr April 6 2019 17: 57
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        The assassination of Stalin by the "communists". Usurpation of the CPSU power in the USSR. Power in the country passed from the Soviets of People's Commissars to the Central Committee of the CPSU. Betrayal of the party elites and, as a result, the collapse of the USSR.

        It is not necessary to attract ideological problems to technical projects - these are still different areas of people’s activity, and they are not directly related to decisions made when it comes to financing costly spacecraft.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 6 2019 21: 14
          -1
          Quote: ccsr
          No need to attract ideological problems to technical projects

          However, proponents of the lunar scam argue that flying to the moon is politics. To overtake the USSR is not a technique and pure propaganda.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 7 2019 10: 23
            +3
            Quote: Setrac
            However, proponents of the lunar scam claim that the flight to the moon

            Well, what has to do with the "murder of Stalin by the communists"?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 7 2019 11: 15
              -3
              Quote: ccsr
              Well, what has to do with the "murder of Stalin by the communists"?

              The betrayal of party leadership is the same as recognizing Americans flying to the moon or, for example, the collapse of the USSR.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 7 2019 11: 56
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                The betrayal of party leadership is the same as recognizing Americans flying to the moon or, for example, the collapse of the USSR.

                I would still dwell on the technical aspects of the lunar scam.
    3. knn54
      knn54 April 6 2019 16: 28
      0
      Manned flights to the United States began only on shuttles.
      What distinguishes a manned missile from a transport one is the presence of a life support system. And it follows from the article that the capsule was a normal layout ..
      AND MAIN THING- even Gagarin couldn’t get out of the module on his own.
      And after the long flight the astronauts of the Yankees are cheerful. They don’t run around the aircraft carrier ...
      1. Hakka
        Hakka April 6 2019 18: 54
        +7
        Gagarin jumped out of the capsule with a parachute)) so you fell into the knowledge of the refector))) yeah, on the shuttles they started flying right into space right away))
      2. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper April 8 2019 19: 06
        +1
        And you are 6 years on the site. And write such crap. That not every graduate ege thinks out. belay
    4. CTEPX
      CTEPX April 8 2019 03: 52
      -1
      The truth about the moon lies of the Americans could hold their teeth only in that case, if the Americans would have had a similar dirt on the USSR.

      It was then that the famous "party gold" arose. Participation in the "lunar scam" is the root cause of the collapse of the Soviet Union with the active connivance of traitors.
  7. Beringovsky
    Beringovsky April 6 2019 16: 00
    +4
    I would like to add on the photos. There are many blunders, but there is one, the fattest blunder. In these photographs, the surface of the moon in gray-black tones, although the Amer’s flags are colored, is also the Apollo module, spacesuits, etc. But the surface of the moon is not at all gray, it is COLORED. More precisely, brown-brown, who are interested can easily find many pictures on the Internet confirming this.
    Probably the Americans simply did not know what color the moon was. They did not have returnable devices, and those that sat on the moon broadcast a television picture in black and white.
    Popov A.I: The fake color of the American "Moon"
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky April 6 2019 16: 17
      +1


      That's how the Americans imagined the moon.
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky April 6 2019 16: 18
        +3
        And so it really looks
        1. Hakka
          Hakka April 6 2019 18: 57
          0
          https://youtu.be/Ewd_CEBu8vc. Вот человек все толково обьясняет
        2. Infinity
          Infinity April 6 2019 19: 17
          +2
          Forget the brown moon. This is the Chinese have wise.
          Here is a photo from the Chang'e-4 mission:


          Больше тут: https://kosmos-x.net.ru/news/cnsa_opublikovalo_novye_fotografii_so_stancii_chaneh_4_i_video_ejo_posadki_na_lunu/2019-01-11-5562
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky April 6 2019 20: 06
            -1
            And why was it "screwed up" in the first case, and not in the second? Maybe on the contrary, gray is a "jamb"?
            1. Infinity
              Infinity April 6 2019 20: 15
              +2
              hi
              The brown color appeared only on the camera near the ladder with the lunar rover. I will assume that there was a filter, because the "Yuytu" lunar rover itself is yellow-orange itself. And this is the case with "Chang'e-3" and "Chang'e-4". But the rest of the photos (that is, all the others after the descent of the lunar rovers, and there are many times more of them) - the moon is gray.
              Here is a photo of the lander from the Yuytu-2 lunar rover (in my last comment, the photo was taken from the lander):
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky April 6 2019 22: 23
                0
                Infinity
                I’ll assume that there was a filter

                This is just an assumption.
                And here is another shot

                Here, too, the color of the moon is not gray-black (by the way, in your photo too). What filter again?
                Will we still be exchanging pictures? Then it's a long time ...
                How do you imagine a whole planet (albeit a small one), all covered with dark gray powder? The composition of meteorites that formed (supposedly) lunar regolith is very diverse. So why should it be gray-black, as in the old black-and-white television picture?
            2. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona April 7 2019 08: 58
              0
              Because in the first case after planting, the color also changed to normal. The first pancake is lumpy and sophisticated with the camera settings
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 7 2019 10: 42
                +1
                Quote: BlackMokona
                The first pancake is lumpy and sophisticated with the camera settings

                This is unlikely - everything was calculated in advance, on the basis that the Americans already had data from their probes on the moon.
    2. Hakka
      Hakka April 6 2019 18: 56
      -2
      Go to the forum cosmonautics news, ask for a priest, that one. And they will tell you about the color of the moon
      1. Beringovsky
        Beringovsky April 6 2019 19: 34
        +3
        Hakka
        ask for a priest

        For Popov, I will not ask anything, let him ask for himself.
        Do not distort beautiful Russian with your Selukovy surzhik.
      2. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 7 2019 08: 58
        0
        The astronautics news forum was covered up because nobody needs the truth right now.
      3. ccsr
        ccsr April 7 2019 10: 45
        +1
        Quote: Hakka
        Go to the forum cosmonautics news, ask for a priest, that one.

        This is just a magazine. Have you seen at least one report on research on a branch or academic research institute conducted on the basis of Apollon landing materials? What besides the works of Shuneiko you could see there - tell us.
        1. Hakka
          Hakka April 7 2019 11: 47
          -1
          Show at least one report on research of an industrial or academic research institute in which it is written that there was no landing.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 7 2019 11: 58
            0
            Quote: Hakka
            Show at least one report on research of an industrial or academic research institute in which it is written that there was no landing.

            The regime of secrecy has not yet been lifted - I think for this reason we only know about the work of Shuneiko.
            But the question is not this, but that the magazine you recommended has ceased to exist at all, which speaks of its founders and the quality of the materials best.
            1. Hakka
              Hakka April 7 2019 15: 42
              +1
              Everything is clear to you, secrecy) ceased to exist due to the fact that Roscosmos needs its own journal, Russian space, where they will not write badly about Roskosmos)
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 7 2019 16: 44
                -1
                Quote: Hakka
                Everything is clear with you, secrecy)

                Nobody canceled it - you just have not encountered this.

                Quote: Hakka
                Roscosmos needs its own magazine, Russian space, where they will not write poorly about Roskosmos)

                And what does it have to do if Roscosmos was not the founder of the magazine?
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 6 2019 16: 20
    +4
    Thanks to the author! As a supplement:
  9. atos_kin
    atos_kin April 6 2019 16: 46
    +1
    Only China can bring the United States to clean water.
  10. Undecim
    Undecim April 6 2019 16: 54
    +5
    If "in the first" parts of his opus the author still tried to preserve some semblance of originality and give the narration a scientific look, then in the third part the author changed the excerpt and he fell into a primitive rewriting of hackneyed materials from non-flyers' anthologies.
    The main thing is to let in more fog and more mysterious aspirations, lies and misunderstandings.
    So. Telling about the transfer of the "capsule with the number BP-1227" to the Americans, the author calls it "an empty command module from the Apollo lunar program." In fact, this is not a "command module", but a "mock-up simulator of the Apollo command module."
    In American space programs, mock simulators were widely used for various tests from the very beginning, saving time and money.
    In the Apollo program, several series of such mock-ups were produced, each for different tests and, accordingly, with different equipment.
    The mock-ups VR-1220-1223 and VZ 1225-1228 (eight pieces) were intended solely for training sailors in finding and extracting command modules, therefore they had no equipment, representing a mock-up of the hull with ballast inside to give the appropriate weight. They were not intended to fly somewhere, they could not have any thermal shields a priori.
    BP-1224 was intended to test flammability of interior materials.
    Now some of these capsules can be seen in museums.
    So, as a result of a powerful special operation, the USSR stole anything, it was a water can in the form of a command module, but the author has this proof of "flightlessness".
    The bike is about "thanks to research using several methods (" Mach cone "," smoke lagging "," lateral ejections of explosive products "), it was concluded that the" lunar "rocket really flies much slower and at a lower altitude than mentioned in NASA. In this case, its path is unlikely to lie on the moon, but, most likely, much closer, in the waters of the Atlantic Ocean ... " generally designed exclusively for those who did not study physics even in high school and do not know that the speed of sound depends on the temperature of the medium in which this sound propagates and is completely unfamiliar with the conditions for the occurrence of the Prandtl-Glauert effect.
    Well, such a question for the author. The fact that the Americans bought the leadership of the USSR and how the author bought it told.
    And the current leadership of Russia than the Americans bought? Is such a trump card worthless today? As the author abruptly braked and jumped off the topic.
    And what will other "non-flyers" say on this issue?
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky April 6 2019 17: 15
      0
      Undecim
      And the current leadership of Russia than the Americans bought? Is such a trump card worthless today?

      Still, a trump card is a trump card. Maybe that's why we do not dare to turn off the SWIFT and impose an embargo on oil?
      By the way emnip, Putin somehow hinted in a veiled form at the "lunar scam", they say, it would be necessary to "take a deeper look."
    2. ccsr
      ccsr April 6 2019 18: 05
      -6
      Quote: Undecim
      This is not really a "command module" but a "mock Apollo command module".
      In American space programs, mock simulators were widely used for various tests from the very beginning, saving time and money.

      So they saved on a real module - they slipped a test one, which in terms of mass and dimensional characteristics corresponds to the one in which the astronauts were supposed to be. By the way, how many American modules were irretrievably lost, would you please tell me? And why suddenly the "beacons" on this module did not work, otherwise the Americans would have picked it up faster than us?
      Quote: Undecim
      Is such a trump card worthless today?

      Our trump card will appear when we either conduct detailed high-resolution photography of the landing sites so that the prints of astronaut traces are visible, or we ourselves land at the landing sites to check artifacts.
    3. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 April 6 2019 21: 32
      +4
      Quote: Undecim
      The main thing is to let in more fog and more mysterious aspirations, lies and misunderstandings.


      Unfortunately, the truth here on the site is not needed by many, those who are interested in this topic will go to the profile sites "cosmonautics news" "airbase" and find answers to technical questions, and other jingoistic patriots do not need the truth, they will happily believe rumors and fantasies the author, it's just that their position on this issue has already been formed and they do not want to change anything, everyone is looking for conspiracy theories, and the official version (Russia / USSR) on this issue is rejected. They want to believe in a conspiracy theory, let them believe ...
      1. Undecim
        Undecim April 6 2019 21: 40
        +3
        Yes, unfortunately, recently the genre of scribble on the site is out of competition.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr April 7 2019 10: 55
        +4
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        Unfortunately, the truth here on the site is not needed by many, those who are interested in this topic will go to the profile sites "news of cosmonautics" "airbase" and find answers to technical questions,

        You are in vain to think that at the "airbase" you will find answers to technical questions, especially if you start discussing them with such, for example, characters as "Old" or a few others like him.
        The main thing there is that the late Karshiev believed in the landing, and therefore a carte blanche was issued to the lunar swindlers. By the way, I had to poke Karshiev’s nose into his own misconceptions about taking information from the Apollo in low Earth orbit, which naturally affected my reputation, because he was a very narcissistic man.
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        They want to believe in conspiracy theory, let them believe ....

        When our cosmonauts or Chinese bring American equipment from the moon, then the triumph of American engineering will be recognized unconditionally. In the meantime, all your spells against the unbelieving Americans have no real evidence besides the statements of the Americans themselves.
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 April 7 2019 11: 54
          +2
          Quote: ccsr
          You are wrong to think that at the "airbase" you will find answers to technical questions, especially if you start discussing them with such, for example, characters as "Old" or a few others like him ...


          I mean that if people have a desire to delve into the technical subtleties of the flight of Americans to the moon, then you can delve into specialized sites and find answers (for example) about Saturn 5, or frequently asked questions about what the Americans breathed while flying to The moon, and even the topic of the toilet was also covered (I don’t remember which topic: forum news of astronautics), and not read all the fantasies of the "respected author" of this article. In fact, in these 3 articles there is no evidence base, just thoughts, rumors are collected together, and the technical part is very poorly presented by the author. Of course, on specialized sites there will be people who doubt the US landing on the moon, and there are certainly dark spots, but in terms of iron, at least there will be people who understand this and if they tell you the right direction.


          Quote: ccsr
          When our cosmonauts or Chinese bring American equipment from the moon, then the triumph of American engineering will be recognized unconditionally.


          Let's talk straight. Our state has doubts that the Americans did not land on the moon? Or the Chinese? Technologies make it possible to build a spacecraft and photograph the landing sites of the Americans, traces of their activities, etc. (as LRO did), so what's the problem? The problem with the cameras? So there are other options: Chandrayan-1 (India) generally found traces through a HySI spectrometer operating in a wide range of electromagnetic radiation. It would be a desire .... for a long time it was possible to set a task for Roscosmos (from the president / government), to allocate funding and make such a spacecraft and all doubts and rumors will be dispelled.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 7 2019 12: 06
            +1
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            Technologies make it possible to build a spacecraft and photograph the landing sites of the Americans, traces of their activities, etc. (as LRO did), so what's the problem?

            In financing, first of all, because spending huge amounts of money on photographs that Americans will immediately refute is very irrational.
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            It would be a desire ....

            Desires are few - we need money.
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            Allocate funding and make such a spacecraft and dispel all doubts and rumors.

            We have had a lot of accidents recently in space launches and orbiting satellites - what are you talking about?
            1. Aleksandr21
              Aleksandr21 April 7 2019 12: 32
              +1
              Then how interesting are you thinking to find out the truth? Russia is not interested in a project with a spacecraft that will take pictures of the Moon and traces of American activities, but there is a problem with funding ... but for the sake of such a project, would they really not find money? We have quite enough reserves, and obviously the scale of funding cannot be compared with the Olympics in Sochi, or the World Cup ... if India has found funds for such a spacecraft, why are we worse? It's just that there is no desire, there would be an interest of the president or the government with the State Duma - which could raise such a question, "Were there Americans on the moon", then I am sure that the money was found. There are really problems about accidents and the situation in the industry, but this does not mean that our country cannot build a spacecraft to study a satellite / planet? Again, returning to the Moon, the United States proved with their images from the LRO that there are traces of them, Chandrayan-1 (India) also stated that they had fixed US tracks on the Moon, Kaguya (Japan) adhere to the same position, the JAXA website has an article with photos from Kaguya ... And who will deny them?
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 7 2019 12: 45
                +1
                Quote: Aleksandr21
                Then how interesting do you think to find out the truth?

                With time. Moreover, the lunar program is being renewed here, as officials said, and I don’t see the point of spending money on a maintenance-free moon satellite. So it’s quite possible that we will become participants in exposing the Americans, especially if Rogozin is replaced with a more competent specialist from the space industry.
  11. sabakina
    sabakina April 6 2019 16: 56
    +2
    Main question. SORTING WHERE ???? Teaching, that judging by the newsreel, before the flight they ate meat !!!
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky April 6 2019 17: 16
      +2
      As where? On the moon and poop.
      1. Grigorievich
        Grigorievich April 6 2019 17: 23
        +2
        And as all the tourists dug up with a spatula.
        1. Rec
          Rec April 11 2019 02: 16
          0
          Quote: Grigorievich
          dug with a spatula

          They didn’t bury it, they threw it right in the bag. There is a lot of garbage after them.
      2. krops777
        krops777 April 7 2019 04: 37
        0
        As where? On the moon and poop.


        That's right, fertilizer, then it turns out that they were the first to plant potatoes on the moon. wink
    2. Hakka
      Hakka April 6 2019 20: 25
      -1
      A toilet is the key technology?
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        1. Hakka
          Hakka April 7 2019 15: 44
          +1
          Where is the logical connection? Between operas and astronauts? Cosmonauts or astronauts are people who are ready for small things not for the sake of work, to achieve the goal)
          1. glk63
            glk63 April 8 2019 04: 07
            +2
            8 days to shit for yourself? Are these "minor inconveniences"? Oh well...
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      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 7 2019 11: 24
        0
        Quote: BlackMokona
        In the bags they shit

        The diapers?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 7 2019 12: 07
          -2
          There were no pampers yet, in ordinary packages
  12. Polymer
    Polymer April 6 2019 17: 33
    +1
    Whatever it was, namely, the main evidence (“lunar soil”, film and photo materials on lunar missions) would later disappear from NASA’s repositories. As they say, the ends in the water.

    This raises the most serious doubts about the veracity of NASA. Such things are not stored in a wooden shed with a heck. How could such things just disappear?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 7 2019 09: 00
      -1
      He didn’t go anywhere, google about the NASA lunar rock storage
    2. zlinn
      zlinn April 7 2019 11: 05
      0
      how ordinary lies can cause doubts? neither soil nor photo and vdeo are lost
  13. ccsr
    ccsr April 6 2019 17: 43
    0
    Posted by: Per se. writes:
    For the first time in world history, US President Richard Nixon personally flies to Moscow (May 1972 of the year). A record number of contracts and agreements are signed.

    In general, I agree with the conclusions of your article, but with this point you got a little excited, linking it with the lunar scam.
    In fact, at that time we could not give 100% evidence that the American landing was false, and our lunar program was so costly that our leadership was to some extent even beneficial to recognize the primacy of the Americans to explain to the people why we close this project.
    But Nixon came to Moscow for a completely different reason, and it consisted in the fact that we started mass production of heavy ballistic missiles, and the US monopoly on impunity came to an end. This shocked the entire elite of America, because they remembered the Khrushchev demarche well and made conclusions. But the delivery of missiles to Cuba could be stopped, but they could not prevent a blow from our territory. So let’s leave the lunar race aside - here, our successes in military rocket science and the ability to defeat the United States within the first days of the outbreak of the war were a decisive factor. That's why Nixon went on a humiliating trip to the USSR, and it was not his personal initiative, but the decision of the US elite, because they well remembered Khrushchev’s resolve.
  14. Hakka
    Hakka April 6 2019 18: 48
    +1
    Vyser vyser, guys who are interested, Americans flew to the moon or not, go to the relevant forums Cosmonautics News or Balancer Airbase.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 7 2019 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: Hakka
      Vyser vyser, guys who are interested, Americans flew to the moon or not, go to the relevant forums Cosmonautics News or Balancer Airbase.

      And why don't you offer "Big" as a counterargument?
      Leonov says: “Eugene Cernan took it, wrote his letter C with his finger. And here Eugene Cernan was proud, said: I am the first to leave an autograph on the Moon. On this giant boulder was the letter C "

      http://bolshoyforum.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=91j9j2g9stc25e60m5u9aa2tr0&page=1332
  15. Hakka
    Hakka April 6 2019 18: 51
    +4
    According to disproved theories, the United States started flying to the moon in order to defeat its main irreconcilable ideological enemy. But they did not succeed and they decided to defeat him in any way, and started a scam. But with this scam they drove themselves into a corner and they had to conspire with this very enemy. Moreover, it turns out that this enemy barely survived and would have died without collusion. That is, the Americans, as a result, also saved this enemy. But then they still continued to fight him frantically.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 7 2019 11: 03
      +5
      Quote: Hakka
      That is, the Americans, as a result, also saved this enemy.

      During World War II, even Churchill and I were allies - what surprises you? Maybe the fact that Stalin saved the allies in the Ardennes?
      1. Hakka
        Hakka April 7 2019 11: 28
        -3
        Where is the connection between Stalin, Churchill and flights to the moon?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 7 2019 11: 57
          +2
          Quote: Hakka
          Where is the connection between Stalin, Churchill and flights to the moon?

          The fact is that even irreconcilable opponents go for cooperation, if both parties need it.
          1. Hakka
            Hakka April 7 2019 15: 46
            0
            When was the common enemy, and where is the enemy in the lunar programs of each side?
            1. ccsr
              ccsr April 7 2019 16: 56
              0
              Quote: Hakka
              and where is the enemy in the lunar programs of each side?

              Wasteful financing was a common enemy.
  16. 3vs
    3vs April 6 2019 19: 11
    +2
    Just see how it was all done.
    Discovery: Moonlight Devices: Saturn V


    Discovery: Lunar program vehicles: Lunar vehicle


    Discovery: Lunar Program Devices: Command Module
    https://youtu.be/9iDknuR5bBc

    Discovery: Devices of the lunar programs: Navigation


    Discovery: Lunar Program Devices: Lunar Module


    Discovery: Lunar spacecraft: spacesuits


    Discovery "Devices of the lunar programs (6). Lunokhod
    [media = https: //ok.ru/video/7399410416]

    Take your time, interesting!
    And questions will disappear.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 7 2019 12: 24
      +2
      Quote: 3vs
      Discovery: Lunar program vehicles: Lunar vehicle

      It is good that we also touched on this issue, which the "specialists" of the air base did not explain to me, despite all their "literacy".
      American experts admit in the middle of the film that rubber could not be used because of the huge temperature drops on the moon - this is a fact. But there is a question about silver-zinc batteries on the Moon, which have limitations on the temperature range at temperatures below zero degrees. As you know, the rover carried out a flight to the moon in an unheated cargo compartment. The question of quick wisdom is how the optimum temperature of the silver-zinc battery was maintained, if it is in the range + 20C plus or minus 5C, so that when the rover is removed, it dashingly drove along the lunar surface. Please note that at a temperature of -10 -15 C a silver-zinc battery can at best give up 10% of its capacity, and all aviation specialists who service such batteries know about this. Well, another question, why put the brakes on the rover, if reverse braking can be used for this, which is much more effective even from the point of view of reducing the weight of the rover itself.
      1. 3vs
        3vs April 7 2019 15: 43
        -3
        Here is what Wikipedia writes:
        "The source of electricity is two non-rechargeable silver-zinc batteries with a voltage of 36 volts and a capacity of 121 Ah each. The design provided for the possibility of powering a communication device or a television camera from the batteries of an electric vehicle. The batteries and electronics were equipped with a passive cooling system."
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Лунный_автомобиль
        That is, there they took more protection from overheating than negative temperatures.

        And here's what they write about these batteries:
        "Silver-zinc battery.
        It is used in aviation, space, military equipment, watches, etc.
        Operating temperature: −40 ... + 50 ° C
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Серебряно-цинковый_аккумулятор

        So, it’s quite possible to use it on the moon!
        And by the way, what is Comrade Rogozin going to supply Russian lunar cars with?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 7 2019 16: 54
          0
          Quote: 3vs
          "The source of electricity is two non-rechargeable silver-zinc batteries with a voltage of 36 volts and a capacity of 121 Ah each.

          By the way, batteries are much more effective in assembling 12 and 24 volts - it is strange that the Americans chose 36 V.
          Quote: 3vs
          And here's what they write about these batteries:
          "Silver-zinc battery.
          It is used in aviation, space, military equipment, watches, etc.
          Operating temperature: −40 ... + 50 ° C
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Серебряно-цинковый_аккумулятор

          The whole trouble of the "experts" is that they blindly believe Wikipedia, and not specialists who know how the rate of electro-chemical processes that occur at negative temperatures decreases:
          Silver-zinc cells and batteries. Electrochemical system: zinc - monovalent silver - potassium oxide or sodium hydrate. Sources have a small self-discharge, have good energy characteristics and an almost constant voltage during operation (at a constant temperature). Temperature range - О ... + 55 ° С

          http://lib.qrz.ru/book/export/html/6622
          Quote: 3vs
          And by the way, what is Comrade Rogozin going to supply Russian lunar cars with?

          Why drag them there, can you tell?
          1. 3vs
            3vs April 7 2019 17: 01
            0
            "Silver-zinc cells and batteries. Electrochemical system: zinc - monovalent silver - hydrate of potassium or sodium oxide. The sources have low self-discharge, have good energy characteristics and almost constant voltage during operation (at constant temperature). Temperature range - O .. . + 55 ° С "
            And you do not allow the idea that the Americans took all this into account when doing these batteries?

            "Why drag them there, can you tell?"
            So we are going to build our base there.
            And how without motor transport? yes
            1. ccsr
              ccsr April 7 2019 17: 09
              0
              Quote: 3vs
              And you do not allow the idea that the Americans took all this into account when doing these batteries?

              So I just wanted to understand how they took this into account, placing the rover in an unheated compartment during the flight to the Moon.
              Quote: 3vs
              So we are going to build our base there.

              These are only intentions so far - God forbid, any tragedy will happen during the first landings, and all will be suspended for many years.
              Quote: 3vs
              And how without motor transport?

              Rail pave.
              1. 3vs
                3vs April 7 2019 17: 24
                +1
                "So I just wanted to understand how they took this into account by placing the rover in an unheated compartment during the flight to the moon."
                I hope you will not deny that our moon rovers, still plowed the vast expanses of the moon ?! yes

                So from the same unloved Wikipedia on our lunar rover:
                en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunokhod_ (space_program)

                "The upper surface of the body is used as a radiator-cooler of the thermoregulation system, which is closed at night with a lid with a solar battery to preserve heat. The body of the Lunokhod is covered with a heat-insulating coating about 20 cm thick on the outside. To heat the equipment, a radioisotope heat source containing ampoules with 210Po. The source was removed from the enclosure. An active two-circuit thermal control system was used [4]. "
                "The power supply system of Lunokhod, made according to the scheme" solar battery - buffer battery ", provides power to all onboard systems with direct current. The" Lunokhod "uses silver-cadmium batteries with a capacity of 200 ampere-hours."
                Notice that silver-cadmium batteries with a capacity of 200 amp hours were used.
                Ours did, why didn’t the Americans?
                1. 3vs
                  3vs April 7 2019 17: 45
                  0
                  And yet, another link to the manufacturer of such batteries: elrsar.ru/production/silver/140/
                  Pay attention to the operating temperature range of the batteries 5 SCC5 20SCC5

                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr April 7 2019 19: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: 3vs
                    Pay attention to the operating temperature range of the batteries 5 SCC5 20SCC5

                    This is an advertising material, and it means that at -50C the battery will not freeze, and its plates will not lead, which can happen in some electrochemical vapors during severe frosts. But the WORKING current at this temperature can be less than 0,01 of the working current at a temperature of + 20C, and you can’t do anything about it, these are the laws of electrochemical processes. Those. he can still power your electronic watch, but he cannot get the engine to work. This was faced by all owners of domestic Lada when the car will stand at -30-35C in the cold at least night - the lights seem to be on, but the starter does not pull at all.
                    And silver-zinc batteries are even more inoperative at low temperatures - these are the physical properties of this pair.
                2. ccsr
                  ccsr April 7 2019 19: 18
                  +2
                  Quote: 3vs
                  I hope you will not deny that our moon rovers, still plowed the vast expanses of the moon ?!

                  Our radioisotope element maintained the temperature range inside the compartment with the equipment during the "moonlit night", but you will not find anywhere how the Americans maintained the temperature of the rover batteries during the flight to the Moon.
                  Quote: 3vs
                  Ours did, why didn’t the Americans?

                  We placed our battery in the compartment where the operating temperature was maintained for them.
                  Quote: 3vs
                  So from the same unloved Wikipedia on our lunar rover:

                  You apparently did not understand from Wikipedia that such a scheme by the Americans was not used in Apollos.
                  1. 3vs
                    3vs April 7 2019 20: 11
                    -1
                    "We put our battery in a compartment where they were kept at operating temperature."
                    Do you know what a cargo container for a rover was like?
                    And the astronauts did not ride during the "moonlit night".
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr April 8 2019 13: 08
                      0
                      Quote: 3vs
                      Do you know what a cargo container for a rover was like?

                      Yes, it was a non-heated compartment throughout the flight. You can find the layout of the rover on the Internet yourself.
                      Quote: 3vs
                      And the astronauts did not ride during the "moonlit night".

                      This is not important - the batteries could not give the necessary power to electric motors after a long flight to the moon.
              2. region58
                region58 April 7 2019 21: 46
                +2
                Quote: ccsr
                So I just wanted to understand how they took this into account

                1. For how long does the battery (even if it is idle) cool in space, for example, to zero degrees Celsius?
                2. How many falls on 1 square meter of the surface of thermal radiation from the Sun in outer space?
                3. Where and how does heat disappear from working equipment, devices and people?
                I think you are familiar with the Stefan-Boltzmann law, and the answers to these questions will lead you to an understanding of how all this was taken into account.
                Also, I think it’s not a secret for you that the temperature on the surface of the moon (on the lit side) is up to 127 degrees Celsius.
                In space, the issue of heat dissipation is much more acute than with heating.
                Quote: ccsr
                By the way, batteries are much more effective in assembling 12 and 24 volts - it is strange that the Americans chose 36 V.

                A battery of 24 cans, each 1,5 Volts. What bothers you? And what exactly is the efficiency of 12 and 24 Volts compared to 36 Volts?
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr April 8 2019 13: 26
                  0
                  Quote: region58
                  How long does it take for a battery (albeit idle) to cool in space, for example, to zero degrees Celsius?

                  Very fast - study at least the temperature spread during near-Earth orbital flight, when the station is in the shadow of the Earth and when the Sun heats it.
                  Quote: region58
                  2. How many falls on 1 square meter of the surface of thermal radiation from the Sun in outer space?

                  In the region of the Earth and the Moon, it is approximately the same - about 1366 W per square meter.
                  Quote: region58
                  Where and how does heat disappear from working equipment, appliances and people?

                  In the spacesuits of the astronauts, heat was removed due to the evaporation of water. In the lunar compartments, a more complex heat removal scheme was used, including using radiators.
                  Quote: region58
                  In space, the issue of heat dissipation is much more acute than with heating.

                  You probably don’t understand that when the ship moves in space, only that part of the surface on which the sun's rays fall is exposed to heat, and the remaining surfaces of the device radiate heat into outer space. So the question is in the correct orientation of the ship and the use of protective screens.
                  Quote: region58

                  A battery of 24 cans, each 1,5 Volts. What bothers you?

                  The reliability of the consistent use of so many elements, especially given the fact that it is impossible to select perfectly elements so that they evenly give out stored energy, especially at sudden changes in temperature.
                  1. region58
                    region58 April 8 2019 13: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Very fast

                    How fast is very fast? In specific units of time. That is, a battery with such a mass will cool down for so much.
                    Quote: ccsr
                    study at least the temperature spread during near-Earth orbital flight, when the station is in the shadow of the Earth and when the Sun heats it.

                    Salyut-7 rotated for four months without control, completely de-energized, what was the temperature there? How cool is it? Saying up to +4 Celsius? Are they lying?
                    Quote: ccsr
                    In the region of the Earth and the Moon, it is approximately the same - about 1366 W per square meter.

                    That is, "heat" is not only emitted but also absorbed.
                    Quote: ccsr
                    In the lunar compartments, a more complex heat removal scheme was used

                    So where were and where could the batteries be emitted? By the way, there are not only batteries, but also fuel, and any other mutoten.
                    Quote: ccsr
                    when the ship moves in space, only that part of the surface on which the sun's rays fall is exposed to heating

                    Is "BBQ Mode" a familiar term?
                    Quote: ccsr
                    the remaining surfaces of the apparatus radiate heat into outer space. So the question is in the correct orientation of the ship and the use of protective screens.

                    That is, protective screens have a place to be. Then what "surfaces of the apparatus radiate heat into outer space"?
                    Quote: ccsr
                    it is impossible to pick perfect elements

                    There is nothing ideal, but there are batteries of one hundred and two hundred volts, and nothing works.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr April 8 2019 14: 10
                      0
                      Quote: region58
                      How fast is very fast? In specific units of time.

                      On average, an hour and a half is one revolution around the Earth for the ISS.
                      Quote: region58
                      How cool is it? Saying up to +4 Celsius? Are they lying?

                      No, why - just do not confuse its thermal insulation and the fact that it was not immediately de-energized.
                      Quote: region58

                      Is "BBQ Mode" a familiar term?

                      This "excuse" was invented by lunar swindlers. In fact, assuming that the batteries were exposed to direct sunlight, the time spent in the shade was about a quarter of the time that the batteries were radiated into outer space.
                      Who would compensate for the heat loss? But not only that, rover batteries, based on the design, generally did not fall under direct sunlight during the flight.
                      Quote: region58
                      Then what "surfaces of the apparatus radiate heat into outer space"?

                      Almost everything that does not fall on the sun.
                      Quote: region58
                      however, there are batteries of one hundred and two hundred volts, and nothing works.

                      In space? I have not heard.
                      1. region58
                        region58 April 8 2019 14: 26
                        0
                        Quote: ccsr
                        An hour and a half on average

                        No, that won't do. Let’s do this: according to such a law, according to a formula such and such, a body with such and such mass will cool down to this temperature in such a time.
                        Quote: ccsr
                        do not confuse its thermal insulation

                        What is the fundamental difference?
                        Quote: ccsr
                        assuming that the batteries were available direct solar

                        Quote: ccsr
                        rover batteries, based on the design, generally did not fall under direct sunlight during the flight.

                        You write:
                        Quote: ccsr
                        the question is the correct orientation of the ship and the use of protective screens.

                        So, were there shields or not?
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Quote: region58
                        Then what "surfaces of the apparatus radiate heat into outer space"?
                        Almost everything that does not fall on the sun.

                        All - which are specifically? And does it depend on the presence / absence of thermal insulation?
                        Quote: ccsr
                        In space? Did not hear

                        But what, the work of the battery in space is different from the work on Earth? Than?
                      2. region58
                        region58 April 8 2019 14: 48
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                        Quote: region58
                        No, that won't do.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        At the "airbase"

                        I’m sorry, I’ll supplement myself. During the correspondence with ccsr, there was a feeling that somewhere it already was. He told himself:
                        At the "airbase" I refuted some nonsense, so if you are interested, you can read there. (From the second part)

                        So, ccsr, your nonsense was refuted by yours, and everything was chewed and put in your mouth ten times for sure. Your "facts" looked very ridiculous there. But ... with perseverance worthy of a better application, you decided to promote your thoughts here, since you have much more like-minded people here, and the number of technically competent people, alas, is decreasing.
                        The link that you for some reason were too shy to give:
                        http://forums.airbase.ru/2016/09/t93493--skaz-o-tom-kak-oprovergateli-temperaturu-vakuuma-vychislyali.html
                        Then I take my leave, everything has already been said. yes
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr April 8 2019 18: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: region58
                        So, ccsr, your nonsense was refuted there, and everything was chewed and put in your mouth ten times for sure. Your "facts" looked very ridiculous there.

                        I brought you a modern shot with a camera placed in a heat-insulating container when working in orbit. Find me a photo of the lunar Hasselblad with the same case to confirm so that everyone can see how much you personally understand what is at stake. And those fools at the "airbase" who argued that it was enough just to paint the camera white, and it would not heat up to + 60C on the moon, I made fun of even then. The fact that you are one of those who believe in all sorts of inventions, and absolutely do not know how to think critically, is obvious to me.
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr April 8 2019 19: 12
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                        Quote: region58
                        and all chewed and put in your mouth ten times for sure.

                        You just tried to prove to me that "Barbecue Mode" avoided overheating of the lunar rover and its battery. And one of the "experts" Old from the "airbase" gave a generally "unkillable" argument:
                        And what will happen to you when you find out that the "screen" on top was also wrapped up with a cool EVTI, so that God forbid the sun's heat did not penetrate inside it? You will probably have a Mosk break.

                        Only this fool didn’t see a video of the moment the lunar rover was revealed on the Moon - there is no screen there, except for the bottom of the rover itself, and there is no thermal insulation material:
                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etw3nCYLyAk
                      5. ccsr
                        ccsr April 12 2019 18: 36
                        0
                        Quote: region58
                        So, ccsr, your nonsense was refuted there, and everything was chewed and put in your mouth ten times for sure. Your "facts" looked very ridiculous there.

                        Let my facts look ridiculous, but the question arises here about this fact:
                        Beresheet fell to the moon
                        At 22:19 p.m., the Central Administration informed about the loss of communication with the device, specialists stopped receiving telemetric information about the state of its systems. The speed of "Bereshita" at this point was 900 meters / sec.
                        At 22:25 p.m., the Central Administration received a message that the connection with the Beresheet was completely lost and that its “landing was apparently not carried out as planned.”
                        This did not prevent Prime Minister Netanyahu from declaring that Israel had become the 4th country in the world to land a satellite on the moon. He also hoped that next time the lunar landing would be softer.

                        Now tell us why, after almost sixty years of our first landing on the moon, the Israelis, who have scientists from the USSR and American materials from NASA, suddenly laughed at a completely new technological base, unable to repeat what the Americans did playfully with astronauts on board ?
                        Maybe it will make you think, and understand that the Israeli program is much easier than taking off two modules from the moon and docking in its orbit, and yet it failed. Just don’t tell me that the Israelis went their own way without using NASA’s achievements.
                      6. ccsr
                        ccsr April 8 2019 18: 37
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                        Quote: region58
                        No, that won't do. Let’s do this: according to a law like this,

                        It won’t work out - I’m not going to give you a course of lectures. Learn for yourself the temperature range of using spacesuits to go into space, then you will understand what differences occur during one revolution around the Earth.
                        Quote: region58
                        But what, the work of the battery in space is different from the work on Earth? Than?

                        First of all, the fact that there is no air in space, i.e. there is no convection, and the main thing is radiation.
                        Quote: region58
                        So, were there shields or not?

                        This is you refer to those who vparival about "Barbecue Mode".
                        By the way, here's a photo of our cosmonaut working with a camera placed in a heat-insulating container. Now find something similar on the Moon in the hands of American astronauts.
                      7. region58
                        region58 April 8 2019 19: 08
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        It will not work

                        Of course it will not work, because you are not able to give a single formula. yes
                        That way:
                      8. ccsr
                        ccsr April 8 2019 19: 20
                        0
                        Quote: region58
                        That way:

                        I was there, you saw it, although you hardly understood what it was about. So what about the "barbecue mode" and these statements "when you find out that the" screen "was also wrapped on top of a cool EVTI, so that God forbid the sun's heat did not penetrate inside it?"
                        So how did the rover batteries keep warm if there is no screen and film on the video?
                      9. region58
                        region58 April 8 2019 19: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I was there, you saw it, although you hardly understood what was being discussed.

                        I saw, I saw ... Especially when you were provided with numbers and calculations, and in return you have only pathos and emotions ...
                        I repeat once again: all the answers were given to you three years ago. And probably not only there ...
                        Good luck. hi
                      10. ccsr
                        ccsr April 8 2019 19: 56
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                        Quote: region58
                        I repeat once again: all the answers were given to you three years ago. And probably not only there ...

                        This is amateurish reasoning that does not hold up to common sense, and I showed you this on their lies about the suspension of the rover, which is refuted by the video on YouTube. You will also refute the video? Then either the landing did not take place and the video was fake, or the "barbecue mode" and "thermal insulation" were an invention of lunar swindlers.
                        You tell me personally - you can decide who is lying in this situation.
                      11. region58
                        region58 April 8 2019 20: 02
                        -1
                        Why are you so fast then? Just managed to write:
                        Quote: region58
                        and in response you have only pathos and emotions ...

                        You immediately confirm:
                        Quote: ccsr
                        This is amateurish reasoning that does not stand common sense.

                        Well what the hell ...
                      12. ccsr
                        ccsr April 8 2019 20: 17
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                        Quote: region58
                        Why are you so fast then? Just managed to write:

                        I myself sent you to the "airbase", so take the trouble to at least read the course of the discussions there, from the point of view of an open-minded person, and delve into the arguments of different sides, then you will understand that there are still those "experts".
                        By the way, about the rover, I gave an example not even from the point of view of its rapid movement after landing, but from the point of view of why they dragged him there at all, if every kilogram is registered. And it’s gotten so much there that any person who is literate in radio engineering, having seen television sessions from the rover, will immediately understand that the Americans are lying godlessly. I'm afraid that you won’t understand all this ...
                      13. region58
                        region58 April 8 2019 20: 31
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        in radio engineering

                        Yeah, it's even easier for me, it's mine. Let’s say in detail that you don’t like it. Only with frequencies, powers, antenna patterns, distances, and other uninteresting nonsense.
                      14. ccsr
                        ccsr April 9 2019 11: 52
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                        Quote: region58
                        Yeah, it's even easier for me, it's mine. Let’s say in detail that you don’t like

                        I say not me, but American experts:
                        . The Lunar Cabin transmitter can work with both FM signals and FM signals. However, both types of signals cannot be transmitted simultaneously. The FM broadcast mode is needed only in those cases when there is a television report from the lunar surface. The lunar cabin cannot transmit data from tape recorders and storage devices directly to Earth at an accelerated pace. All transmission modes are carried out at a frequency of 2282,5 MHz.

                        Now tell us how they managed to simultaneously broadcast a television report in FM mode and simultaneously transmit biometrics, telemetry and negotiations with the Earth in FM mode, if this was not originally designed. According to the Americans
                        To successfully complete a flight program continuous trajectory measurements are required, as well as the receipt and transmission of analog (voice) and digital (command and telemetric) information in the presence of radio visibility between the Apollo and the Earth.
                      15. region58
                        region58 April 9 2019 13: 39
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        how did they manage at the same time

                        Without going into technical details so far: but you are not embarrassed that on a conventional TV (analogue, which is now being turned off gradually) we see an image (color - two color difference signals), we hear sound, and even teletext ... nothing? It completely combines AM, FM, quadrature modulation, and even digital teletext managed to shove. There was no question - how?
                      16. ccsr
                        ccsr April 9 2019 13: 53
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                        Quote: region58
                        It completely combines AM, FM, quadrature modulation, and even digital teletext managed to shove. There was no question - how?

                        Silently - the width of the spectrum of a television signal allows it. You compare it with the width of the spectrum of the lunar signal, and the problems associated with a drop in speech intelligibility:
                        The calculation of mode 8 for the OE block and mode 4 for the LC block was performed for omnidirectional antennas with a gain of 0 and –3 dB, respectively. The criteria for channel quality for telemetry was a 10-3 error probability, and for speech communication, speech intelligibility was 70%. It is theoretically possible to improve the performance of a radio link in these modes due to the corresponding orientation of the block relative to the Earth. However, as will be shown below, the experimental results show that the quality of telemetric data when they are transmitted via the FM radio line is deteriorated due to interference with the voice message signal.

                        Now tell me, will these signals influence the television image (and vice versa) if they are formed in one spectrum?
                      17. region58
                        region58 April 9 2019 21: 47
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        Now tell

                        To begin with, carefully read what kind of document it is, well, the document itself from beginning to end. Your quote from page 10, conclusions on page 11.
                        They all told you in the same document where your quote came from:
                        Conclusions
                        Experiments during the launch of unmanned spacecraft Apollo confirmed the correctness of the structural construction of a communication system designed to ensure the successful landing of astronauts on the moon. The measured characteristics of the system are basically in good agreement with the characteristics predicted theoretically. A certain difference between the theoretical and experimental results is associated with the scatter of system characteristics such as antenna patterns, system temperature, modulation indices, etc. It is planned to carry out a number of changes in the system, allowing to increase the energy potential of the radio line in some operating modes. The characteristics of the Apollon multifunctional communications system will be substantially improved by the time the first launches of manned objects are launched.

                        PS Sorry, but again the repetition of your arguments with airbase for 2015 went, where again everything that can be explained to you and even more was explained to you. Why repeat it? Since then, the laws of physics have not changed.
                      18. ccsr
                        ccsr April 10 2019 12: 11
                        -1
                        Quote: region58
                        Sorry, but again, the repetition of your arguments with airbase for 2015,

                        If you all carefully read what I wrote at the air base before, including about antennas and receiving signals from long distances, then I justified there, on the basis of MODERN satellite television systems, that the transmitter power for SUSTAINABLE reception of a television signal from the Moon should be not less than 100-200 watts. By the way, the specialist in the field of television Shilnikov came to the same conclusions.
                        Quote: region58
                        To begin with, carefully read what kind of document it is, well, the document itself from beginning to end.

                        You didn’t understand anything that is hidden behind the words:
                        Quote: region58
                        Some difference between the theoretical and experimental results is related to the scatter of system characteristics such as antenna patterns, system temperature, modulation indices etc. It is planned to carry out a number of changes in the system, allowing to increase the energy potential of the radio line in some operating modes.

                        I translate for you in an understandable language - the system is crude, the theoretical calculations were incorrect, and they realized that it was necessary to refine the communication system. The question arises - what do they generally say about the problems of working with a television signal?
                      19. region58
                        region58 April 10 2019 13: 23
                        -1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        although they hardly understood what was discussed

                        Quote: ccsr
                        This is amateurish reasoning.

                        Quote: ccsr
                        so bother

                        Quote: ccsr
                        Silently

                        Quote: ccsr
                        If you read everything carefully

                        Quote: ccsr
                        I translate for you in a clear language

                        Listen, do you not have megalomania for an hour? No one understands anything except you. truth not one own thought, not one own calculation - all references to some sources, which in addition often can not even be read and interpreted correctly. A straightforward example of the Dunning-Krueger effect.
                        Good luck.
                      20. ccsr
                        ccsr April 10 2019 13: 32
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                        Quote: region58
                        No one understands anything except you.

                        For example, you did not understand how a modern television signal differs from what was broadcast from the moon. Is this my megalomania?
                        Quote: region58
                        The truth is not one's own thoughts, not one's own calculation

                        Don’t lie, you just didn’t study the "air base", and there I gave some of my thoughts. I just don't want to arrange another educational program, so read the topic "Lunar space programs", there are my detailed explanations.

                        Quote: region58
                        A straightforward example of the Dunning-Krueger effect.

                        Yes, and you pull on the "mitrofanushka" ...
                      21. region58
                        region58 April 10 2019 13: 57
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        how a modern television signal differs from what was broadcast from the moon.

                        The NTSC standard was adopted in 1953, if my sclerosis does not fail me.
                        Quote: ccsr
                        For example, you did not understand

                        Well, explain, you just don’t want to, because you don’t want to because you can’t. yes
                        Your standard answer:
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I do not want to arrange another educational program

                        Quote: ccsr
                        you just haven't studied "airbase"

                        Wow ... Should you?
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Yes, and you pull on the "mitrofanushka" ...

                        Well ... again ... and even with errors ... Culture, however ... Characterizes.

                        In general, if you want to write something on the case - write in a personal, otherwise we have litter the topic here pretty much.
                      22. ccsr
                        ccsr April 10 2019 18: 43
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                        Quote: region58
                        The NTSC standard was adopted in 1953, if my sclerosis does not fail me.

                        You probably do not know that this standard was not used when transmitting a television signal from the moon. And now you, as a specialist in radio engineering, explain why it suddenly abandoned him.
                        Quote: region58
                        Wow ... Should you?

                        At your discretion, but since you started to refer to that resource, it would be nice to understand what they wrote about.
                        Quote: region58
                        Well ... again ... and even with errors ...

                        In fact, you can explain if there were screens to protect the rover or thermal insulation of the bottom, if they are not on the video? Who is lying - those who wrote at the "air base" or the creators of the video?
                        However, I no longer count on a "competent" answer ...
                      23. Rec
                        Rec April 11 2019 02: 23
                        +1
                        It seems you do not catch the thought that they want to convey to you.
                      24. ccsr
                        ccsr April 11 2019 10: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: Rec
                        It seems you do not catch the thought that they want to convey to you.

                        I do not catch.
                        As a matter of fact, I don’t catch how a person who does not know many details of flights to the Moon is bold enough to assert that the Americans landed there only on the basis of their statements.
                      25. region58
                        region58 April 9 2019 04: 42
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        from the point of view of an unaffected person

                        Tell me, how do you feel about late photographs of the lunar surface, LRO for example? Photos of the surface of the moon by the Japanese, the Chinese, how do you feel?
                      26. ccsr
                        ccsr April 9 2019 11: 55
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                        Quote: region58
                        Tell me, how do you feel about late photographs of the lunar surface, LRO for example? Photos of the surface of the moon by the Japanese, the Chinese, how do you feel?

                        They did not confirm the presence of astronaut traces on the moon - you do not seem to delve into the essence of their comments.
                        “The Japanese did not find traces of the Americans on the Moon,” was the title of the material published in the KP on April 30, 2009. It dealt with some oddities found in images taken both from the orbit - by the Japanese, and from the surface of our satellite - by the astronauts themselves. For example, a dust cloud is still visible at the Apollo 15 landing site (1971). And where "Apollo 17" (1972) sat down, there is nothing of the kind. As well as not even a hint of the equipment left here - the landing module, the crew ...

                        https://www.saratov.kp.ru/daily/24297.4/491152/
                      27. region58
                        region58 April 9 2019 12: 36
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        They did not confirm

                        I'm not talking about evidence, I'm talking about how you feel about them (photos)? Because here there are opinions that either nonsense at all, nothing flies there, or photoshop. Or, where American vehicles are photographed, there is Photoshop, and where our Moons and Lunokhovers are, there is no Photoshop. Or the catchy headlines: "The Chinese lunar rover found no traces of the American landing on the Moon", this is when their jade hare on the far side of the Moon landed lounged. From what an outbreak he was supposed to find something there - he is modestly silent about this. How do you feel about all this?
                      28. ccsr
                        ccsr April 9 2019 13: 15
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                        Quote: region58
                        Yes, I'm not talking about evidence, I'm talking about how you feel about them (photos)?

                        If with high resolution and high confidence in the shooting technique - then positively.
                        But there is a curiosity that you may not know about. As soon as we had the first photographs from reconnaissance satellites, then they turned up some airfields that were not known to us, and on which there were US and NATO aircraft. And only a few years later, when reconnaissance satellites appeared, having the ability to receive images in the infrared range, it turned out that they were imitations of airfields. Draw your own conclusions if you decide to trust only photographs.
                        Quote: region58
                        How do you feel about all this?

                        Are you sure that the Chinese posted ALL the pictures? I am 100% sure that only a small part. By the way, before lying down, how many revolutions this lunar rover made and over which areas, no one knows, except for the Chinese themselves.
                      29. region58
                        region58 April 9 2019 13: 44
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                        Quote: ccsr
                        If with high resolution and high confidence in the shooting technique - then positively.

                        Translated into Russian - all nonsense?
                      30. ccsr
                        ccsr April 9 2019 13: 58
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                        Quote: region58
                        Translated into Russian - all nonsense?

                        Everyone makes his own conclusion. I personally do not believe that astronauts landed, and some do not allow the idea that they generally carried out the moon
              3. Alexey Z
                Alexey Z April 13 2019 08: 06
                0
                More Railways on the moon was not enough.
  17. Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 6 2019 19: 30
    +1
    "Thanks to research on several methods (" Mach cone "," smoke lagging "," lateral ejections of explosive products ") it was concluded that the" lunar "rocket really flies much slower and at a lower altitude than mentioned in NASA "- Simply put, determined the speed by eye.
  18. BAI
    BAI April 6 2019 20: 10
    +2
    Yes, to be honest, - about the fake, this is a discovery for me.
    The lack of third-party images of the landing site (all information is only American) has always been doubtful, but the dummy (falling into the wrong hands - this is important) is something!
    1. region58
      region58 April 6 2019 20: 53
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      about dummy, this is a discovery for me.

      Ours are also training on dummies. Empty piece of iron.
      In the Pacific Fleet, exercises were held to rescue a splashed spacecraft ... ... As noted by Colonel Andrei Torshin, head of the Aviation Coordination and Flight Center of the Russian Armed Forces, the main task of the training is to practice the practical actions of the Pacific Fleet’s forces in search and rescue of astronauts at sea. In order to bring the situation as close as possible to reality, a full-scale mock-up of the Soyuz TMA spacecraft descent vehicle was specially delivered to Vladivostok on a Il76 military transport aircraft.



      More details here: https://smitsmitty.livejournal.com/153510.html
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 7 2019 11: 42
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        Quote: region58
        Ours are also training on dummies.

        Since when is it customary to TRAIN during the real launch?
        No need to fantasize, this does not happen, because everyone is standing on their ears a few weeks before this launch.
        1. region58
          region58 April 7 2019 20: 25
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          Quote: ccsr
          Since when is it customary to TRAIN during the real launch?

          What are you speaking about? What is the real launch? Take the trouble to articulate your thoughts more clearly.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 8 2019 13: 11
            +1
            Quote: region58
            What are you speaking about? What is the real launch? Take the trouble to articulate your thoughts more clearly.

            You probably do not follow the topic:
            The Apollo-13 launch from Cape Canaveral (as if on the Moon) was carried out in the evening, at 19 hours GMT, the capsule was picked up for the night, thus, the discovery and the space launch are separated in a matter of hours.
            1. region58
              region58 April 8 2019 14: 05
              -1
              Quote: ccsr
              You probably do not follow the topic

              I talked about ours. And here you are not clear with what ... Of course I did not understand ...
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 6 2019 21: 36
      -3
      Quote: BAI
      but the dummy (falling into extraneous hands is important) is something!

      You look at how the rover rides on the moon. Moon dust rises and lowers slowly, hovering in the AIR.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 7 2019 00: 22
        -4
        It should rise, since the gravitational force is only 1,6 Earth and this very dust, together with the soil and from the shoes of the astronauts, flies off by two meters, with not strong contact - which in itself is an indisputable evidence of the absence of gravity and the presence of vacuum - in the Earth Such conditions cannot be removed, since such a giant vacuum chamber will be required that it simply cannot be hidden from prying eyes, much less done.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 7 2019 11: 20
          +2
          Quote: Vadim237
          It should rise, since the gravitational force is only 1,6 Earth and this very dust, together with the soil and from the shoes of the astronauts, flies off by two meters, with not strong contact - which in itself is indisputable evidence of the absence of gravity and the presence of vacuum

          Quite the opposite, there is no air leak on the Moon to raise dust. Yes, you watch the video with the "rover" - the sand settles immediately, and the dust hangs and sinks much longer! But what about the demonstrative experiment with a hammer and a feather? The video where the "rover" rides on the moon is clearly a Hollywood production
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 7 2019 15: 21
            -2
            That's just right - the dust will rise from you due to inertia forces and a small mass of particles in an airless space.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr April 7 2019 17: 00
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              your dust will rise due to inertial forces and a small mass of particles in an airless space.

              If you had ever visited potato harvesters and truck pick-ups, then you would have understood what dust columns are several meters high in dry weather. And without any vacuum ...
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 9 2019 21: 53
                -1
                I don’t have to understand this - if I sit on a sand in such a rover on the sand - I’ll fly a dozen meters of dust, when the weather is cold, especially in the Volgograd region it’s noticeable as well, I don’t have to cover the wheels
                - enough crap to fill, there is a lunar rover and he rode on the surface of the moon.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr April 10 2019 11: 54
                  -1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  - enough crap to fill, there is a lunar rover and he rode on the surface of the moon.

                  Who saw this except the Americans? You just looked at what you mounted in NASA and no more.
                  By the way, I’ll ask a simple question - how was it possible to conduct a television transmission from the moon and communicate with astronauts when the rover was moving, given that they worked with a narrow antenna and with low transmitter power?
                  Such a trick even Copperfield could not reproduce ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 April 10 2019 12: 02
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr
                    when you consider that they worked with a narrow antenna and with low transmitter power?

                    Anyway, Aldrin’s antenna was stolen.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr April 10 2019 19: 07
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                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Anyway, Aldrin’s antenna was stolen.

                      I don’t know where this photo came from, but the biomedical parameters with the astronaut and speech were constantly taken, and for this we used the VHF communication channel between the lunar module and the astronaut. There is one interesting fact (taking into account the curvature of the surface of the moon and its irregularities, judging by the numerous photographs), which indicates that the maximum distance from the lunar module was 7,6 km. Knowing the laws of the propagation of VHF radio waves and the curvature of the Moon, and taking into account the antenna height of approximately 2 meters for both transmitters, it turns out that even with an ideal surface, this session could not take place, or would be inconsistent. The question arises, didn’t the Americans know about this, composing a task for astronauts when riding a rover.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 10 2019 19: 29
                        +1
                        Quote: ccsr
                        I don’t know where this photo came from

                        Ah, from here:
                        http://volamar.ru/subject/04sirius/text/moonno.php
                    2. Rec
                      Rec April 11 2019 02: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Aldrin’s antenna was stolen

                      In my opinion on Apollo 15, they broke the antenna at the spacesuit when entering the moon. Do not believe it - glued with adhesive tape horizontally. Why exactly horizontally, now I don’t remember ...
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 April 11 2019 06: 32
                        0
                        Quote: Rec
                        In my opinion on Apollo 15, they broke the antenna at the spacesuit when entering the moon.

                        This is Apollo 11, and explain as follows:
                        when Neil took the original photograph of AS11-40-5903, the upper part of the OPS Buzz was at the upper edge of the field of view, and therefore the original image does not necessarily include the antenna. When the image was prepared for release shortly after the mission, it was cropped from the bottom and sides, and a black area was added at the top to give the released version a visual balance.
                2. Baursak
                  Baursak April 12 2019 13: 14
                  0
                  Vadim, apparently in school you still missed the chapter on Galileo’s experiments and the law of universal gravitation
            2. Setrac
              Setrac April 7 2019 20: 32
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              That's just right - the dust will rise from you due to inertia forces and a small mass of particles in an airless space.

              Lord, did you skip physics at school? The force of inertia is the same everywhere. The mass of the body does not change, the force with which the body is attracted to the planet changes, it changes depending on gravity. Vacuum or atmosphere - do not affect inertia and mass.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 9 2019 22: 15
                +1
                Mass changes, and with it the force of inertia - from the force of gravity on the Earth, a kilogram core will fly 20 meters - on the Moon it will fly five times farther than 100 meters. The atmosphere also affects inertia; the higher the density, the greater the resistance. The greater the acceleration, the greater the mass of the body and the less the gravitational attraction, the inertial force is higher, respectively, and the object will fly further.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac April 10 2019 17: 13
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                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Mass changes, and with it the force of inertia

                  This is not so, the force of inertia does not change.
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  on Earth, a kilogram core will fly 20 meters — on the Moon it will fly five times farther than 100 meters.

                  Is it necessary to add the word "thrown with equal force"? The force of inertia will be the same, but on the moon the attraction is six times lower, respectively, your core on the moon will fall longer and will fly further WITH THE SAME FORCE OF INERTIA.
                  The force of gravity does not affect the force of inertia.
        2. Rec
          Rec April 11 2019 02: 26
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          She must rise

          Even the flaps above the wheels installed.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 11 2019 06: 38
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            Quote: Rec
            Even the flaps above the wheels installed.

            And here you can not see the dust.
  19. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer April 6 2019 20: 16
    -5
    Quote: Waddimm
    I just stick to the official version

    I understand that "adhering to the official" American version, you support the official version of Bandera? About Russia - the aggressor and the rest?
    Without their brains, of course it’s easier to live.
    Yea Yea!
    1. region58
      region58 April 6 2019 21: 07
      +1
      Quote: kunstkammer
      Yea Yea!

    2. Waddimm
      Waddimm April 6 2019 22: 45
      +2
      Quote: kunstkammer
      Without their brains, of course it’s easier to live.

      Hmm. Your culture of communication goes wild.
      For you, you are our polite. I adhere to the official version adopted in the USSR, because no one has conclusively refuted it.
      And more, please do not pull my words out of context and do not ascribe to me other people's beliefs.
      And about Bandera, let it remain on your conscience. Sorry if you want.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 7 2019 11: 44
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        Quote: Waddimm
        I adhere to the official version adopted in the USSR, because no one has conclusively refuted it.

        What is it based on if we could not see a single television session from the moon with our control means?
        And radio shows about aliens in the United States appeared before the Second World War.

    3. AUL
      AUL April 7 2019 15: 27
      -1
      Quote: kunstkammer
      I understand that "adhering to the official" American version, you support the official version of Bandera?

      Conclusion without reason is a sign of a great mind!
  20. rayruav
    rayruav April 6 2019 21: 15
    0
    I'm afraid we won’t find out the truth for a long time
  21. Ural-4320
    Ural-4320 April 6 2019 22: 31
    0
    Quote: Waddimm
    After all, if we accept that the Americans were there, then the scientific and practical sense is close to zero

    It was stated that the Americans left corner reflectors, such as those on the Lunokhod. There were only reports about 10 years ago that amateurs received a reflected signal from a point with the last coordinates of the Lunokhod, but about American silence.
    Although I do not deny that the Americans can be regularly used in monitoring the distance to the moon, and therefore there is no secret.
    But this is purely IMHO.
  22. Bypassed
    Bypassed April 6 2019 22: 32
    +1
    The Americans even handed over blueprints for their International truck for production in the Soviet Union, which later became the prototype of KamAZ.

    And here it is - total bullshit. The first 10 chassis under the KAMAZ chase were assembled at the Belarusian MAZ. It was from the MAZ plant that technologies and specialists were transferred, and since 1972 they graduated from the Belarusian Polytechnic Institute’s automotive department and began distributing them to Naberezhnye Chelny.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 6 2019 22: 56
      +3
      Quote: PASSED BY
      It was from the MAZ factory that technologies and specialists were transferred from 1972 as well.

      I don’t know how about MAZ, but ZIL certainly had a hand in it.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim April 7 2019 00: 22
      +4

      American car International cof 220.
      If you read the history of the creation of the ZIL 170 car, you can immediately see that it is garbage, but incomplete. At the heart of KAMAZ, developed at ZIL (ZIL 170), is really "American", but no one handed over any drawings, the car was bought for currency, as well as several others, among which they chose which one was better.
      The author, as in other cases, takes an existing fact and distorts it in a "mysterious" way.
  23. Kerensky
    Kerensky April 7 2019 11: 31
    0
    But no one intelligently answered - why did the USSR leave the race?
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    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 7 2019 15: 29
      0
      You will be a sucker - if you are skeptical of everything. Technical mechanics physics chemistry materials science and so on - there are exact sciences, there is only yes and no.
      1. KOCMOC
        KOCMOC April 7 2019 16: 21
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        Quote: Vadim237
        Technical mechanics physics chemistry materials science and stuff - exact sciences there are only yes and no.

        In order to know, theoretical assumptions and mathematical calculations are not enough for accurate evidence about the subject of events, we still need multiple and multilateral positive results of practical experiments. While this is not there, any self-respecting scientist should doubt that healthy skepticism distinguishes exact science from quackery, otherwise wild times will come when people believed that the sun revolves around flat earth. In the meantime, if there is even the slightest doubt, then this has not happened, it is impossible, in this case there can be no talk of any accuracy and knowledge, and so it remains for believers to believe, and faith is known to be blind and does not require accuracy and evidence.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 9 2019 22: 24
          0
          It’s only for people like you - fans of icteric sites or nothing - the others have everything for a long time. The proof is irrefutable that the Americans on the moon were captured on all the landings videos, plus the million engineers who created these machines, hundreds of thousands of witnesses of the launches, as well as the entire leadership of the Soviet space industry and the country - confirming that there were flights.
  25. kuz363
    kuz363 April 7 2019 18: 33
    -2
    Explicitly custom-made article, designed for amateurs.
    "In the meantime, the world is content with the achievements of the last century. At the moment, soil has been taken from the Moon from nine points on its surface - three of them were visited by our research vehicles in the 1960s, six were missions within the framework of the US Apollo program in 1969-1972 "But these samples are not enough for scientists to fully understand the structure of the Moon. For example, we do not have samples of lunar soil from the poles of the Moon," says Yuri Kostitsyn, director of the Institute of Geochemistry and Analytical Chemistry of the Russian Academy of Sciences in an interview with RIA Novosti. "
  26. xomaNN
    xomaNN April 7 2019 18: 49
    0
    So the Big Question "So did the Yankees fly to the moon ???" remains without a Big Answer laughing But doubts increased drinks
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 7 2019 19: 35
      -1
      Quote: xomaNN
      But doubts increased

      If you are seriously interested in this topic, and study the arguments of supporters and opponents of the astronauts landing on the moon, then believe me, there will be much more doubt than evidence.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 7 2019 20: 45
      -1
      Quote: xomaNN
      But doubts increased

      Any doubt is in favor of the opponents.
    3. Farpost
      Farpost April 8 2019 07: 37
      0
      They didn’t fly ... if you are familiar with technology and know the laws of technology development, then believe that the super-rocket that failed the full test cycle without a single accident completed 13 in a row !!! you can never start!
      By the way, Kamanin then wrote (exactly before the first launch of the astro-ha-nauts to fly around the moon) - the Americans have no experience of returning the spacecraft to Earth at a second space velocity. Therefore, I consider the information about the scheduled start by the astronaut to be desa.
      Here I somehow believe more in Kamanin than in apologists like the "Green Cat" ...
  27. AshiSolo
    AshiSolo April 7 2019 19: 15
    0
    I will be happy if the Yankees were not on the moon. But so far, all the facts speak otherwise. Everything that has been refuted and explained hundreds of times in the article.

    A photo of the supposedly lunar module is just a disaster ... Why make such a model, and then do a full-fledged one with landing parachutes and other things? Why was this not suitable for fraud?

    And this, Musk flew, no?
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 7 2019 20: 46
      0
      Quote: AshiSolo
      And this, Musk flew, no?

      Musk definitely did not fly.
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    2. Tishka_41
      Tishka_41 April 7 2019 21: 11
      +1
      I was personally convinced that the Americans did not reach the moon, NASA official photo materials. There are good shots of the launching rockets, where it can be seen that the first stage is covered with hoarfrost and clubs of condensing steam, and the second and third stages are dry. This means that there are no cryogenic fuel components, although LOH is claimed.
      And yet, in none of the albums, and there seem to be more than a hundred of them, astronauts do not see the Earth - that is, an object that is almost 4 times larger and 20 times brighter than the moon we are observing, and where you can’t return , they are absolutely indifferent. By the way, before the Apollo17 mission, the Earth can not be found even in panoramic shots.
      1. AshiSolo
        AshiSolo April 7 2019 21: 15
        +1
        Yeah, and the leading Soviet scientists often say that they flew. And after the 91st. If they could demand a tasty life for their silence, instead of poverty, would they? Nevertheless. All your doubts have already been dispelled by dozens, if not hundreds of times.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 9 2019 22: 29
        +1
        For the especially blind
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  29. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs April 8 2019 08: 10
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    For the first time I see these photos. Shocked. I would like to know where you can see these photos on the source.
  30. DimanC
    DimanC April 8 2019 11: 10
    0
    In principle, if there is information, a fourth part can be suggested - about the fate of those specialists who denied or doubted the authenticity of the landing of American astronauts on the moon. At one time I came across information about the repression in our space-rocket field, but I would like more details ..
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 8 2019 13: 40
      +1
      Quote: DimanC
      At one time I came across information about the repression in our space-rocket field, but I would like more details ..

      There was no reprisal; if someone was suspended, it was only for disrupting the terms of the program, or for serious accidents.
  31. victor50
    victor50 April 8 2019 11: 17
    -1
    Why did these bourgeois gifts pour on him, moreover, if the Soviet Union lost the space race?
    For (if I am not mistaken) 1382 ICBMs (1983, hardly much less in 1972) of land-based armaments, dozens of submarines with ICBMs, in general, for the achieved parity in the military sphere. No?
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 8 2019 13: 42
      0
      Quote: victor50
      For (if I am not mistaken) 1382 ICBMs (1983, hardly much less in 1972) of land-based armed arsenals, dozens of submarines with ICBMs, in general, for achieved parity in the military sphere.

      They just put on their pants, which is why they sharply changed the tone in our relationship. So the lunar program had nothing to do with it - this is a fact.
  32. 16112014nk
    16112014nk April 8 2019 20: 36
    0
    I never doubted it, especially after the movie "Capricorn - 1". yes
    After the film, confidence in falsification is 100500%.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 9 2019 12: 23
      0
      Quote: 16112014nk
      I never doubted it, especially after the movie "Capricorn - 1".

      Here is what the Americans write:
      "They splash down in the South Pacific in two days. Even here at JPL - one of the world's most prestigious research centers and the focus of perhaps half of the scientific writers of the entire Western world that vechep someone clearly not a reporter, but clearly a subject with "connections" in JPL, handed out leaflets printed by hand on a rotary printer to all these reporters, stating that "NASA filmed the entire Apollo 11 landing on the Moon ... in a film studio in Nevada!"
      And this man, while he was distributing this waste paper to all influential journalists representing national publications and writing on the space theme, within reach Personally accompanied by the head of the press service of JPL."
      (p.24)
      "Dark Mission. The Secret History of NASA"
      R. Hoagland, M. Bara
  33. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper April 9 2019 11: 55
    0
    I do not read the article. I read only comments. No, I tried to read, but after the author’s statement, at a pressure of 140 atm. In the first part. Dismiss
    But I like the comments. With pleasure.
    About my opinion were or not?
    About two years ago, Oleg's article, I absolutely agree with him. If this "khabazina" was able to take off (witnesses the sea,) then it really reached the moon as a thread.
    good
  34. GibSoN
    GibSoN April 9 2019 19: 15
    -1
    Whether the Americans were on the moon or not, in general, it is not so important. The important thing is that in any case, they gave hope, faith, confidence and, as a result, the development of technology, including! In those years, at least it was necessary to unite the population of all countries! It’s hard to think of a better, common method for all.
    Anyway. At the moment, the United States has much more chances to be "the first to be on the moon." And this, in fact, is indisputable in the current realities!
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 9 2019 19: 23
      0
      Quote: GibSoN
      At the moment, the United States has much more chances to be "the first to be on the moon." And this, in fact, is indisputable in the current realities!

      Do they already have the right carrier and created a lunar ship? Why then do not fly?
      And they know how to tell fairy tales - "Star Wars" for example, or about the "success" of using shuttles.
      1. GibSoN
        GibSoN April 9 2019 19: 26
        +1
        Do they already have the right carrier and created a lunar ship?
        When they have all this, we will not have the opportunity to discuss such issues!
        So to speak. The development trend suggests that in the next few years, such issues will disappear from the news strip in the Russian media. Which, in general, also creates certain problems .. Other questions will appear, obviously less related to the achievements of the USA. Something like this.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 9 2019 20: 54
          +1
          Quote: GibSoN
          When they have all this, we will not have the opportunity to discuss such issues!
          So to speak.

          What is this conclusion based on? While we still seem to be launching launch vehicles, we built our own spaceport.
          Quote: GibSoN
          The development trend suggests that in the next few years, such issues will disappear from the news strip in the Russian media.

          But we must understand that the Soviet Union had 286 million citizens, and was the third in the world in terms of population. And now Russia has half the population, which means it's time to measure cosmic ambitions with the possibility of our capitalist economy - this is a natural result.
    2. bk316
      bk316 April 11 2019 12: 29
      0
      Whether the Americans were on the moon or not, in general, it is not so important. The important thing is that in any case, they gave hope, faith, confidence and, as a result, the development of technology, including!

      Here it is the essence of American politics, both domestic and foreign! The effect on the future is important, AND WHAT HE WILL ACHIEVE THROUGH THE FALSE OR KILLING, TRAFFICKING OR HARVESTING - IT IS IMPORTANT.
      Well classic: the end justifies the means. And everything would be fine, but someday the reckoning will come - MUST COME.

      It's just that the world is so arranged - the whole history of mankind about it.
  35. Eug
    Eug April 9 2019 20: 38
    -1
    History repeats itself - Rosatom's admission to the US nuclear fuel market happened after the death of the Kursk ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2019 22: 43
      0
      It’s good to carry nonsense - Kursk died due to hydrogen peroxide leaked from a torpedo, a fire and the subsequent detonation of torpedoes,
  36. fsb_buzuk
    fsb_buzuk April 10 2019 08: 22
    0
    In great detail about how exactly the Americans shot Apollonian photos and videos in the studio, from Leonid Konovalov, a professional cinema operator:
    http://leonidkonovalov.ru/meeting/moon/?ELEMENT_ID=531
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 10 2019 12: 32
      +1
      Quote: fsb_buzuk
      In great detail about how exactly the Americans shot Apollonian photos and videos in the studio,

      This moment struck me the most:
      Here's how, for example, in June 1965, the American astronaut E. White was shown on the air of American television. As we know, Alexei Leonov (USSR) was the first to go into outer space in March 1965, and supposedly literally three months later the American astronaut repeated this exit. Since the United States concealed its lag in this matter, and there was really nothing to demonstrate, they showed on the air only ... a cartoon (Fig. III-1). Yes, yes, an ordinary hand-drawn cartoon. The cartoon was accompanied by a voiceover, and it was assumed that the voice did not come from the next room, but was the voice of an astronaut from outer space over the air. To make it more convincing that the signal was allegedly received from afar, after the announcer said they showed television interference in the form of white stripes, and only then showed the cartoon (as if the cartoon television signal was received from near-Earth space). Instead of a real picture of outer space, there was an explanation of the exit from the capsule using the drawings.

      http://leonidkonovalov.ru/meeting/moon/?ELEMENT_ID=531
      Since the Americans still do not refute this information, it is not difficult to assume that with a more complex mission they used this trick more than once.
      If they had problems reporting in low Earth orbit, how did they manage to conduct television shows from the moon?
  37. NED
    NED April 11 2019 04: 05
    -1
    It’s a good article. I read a lot and was interested in this topic, Mukhin’s series of articles is also good there, a couple of authors, I don’t remember now, they examined this miracle in detail the hyper jump of the Americans. We could have brought real evidence, and here Marvel’s comics The blackmail on both sides was most likely, we, in which case we can open the cards, they risk it and the dark story with Stalin pops up, and after the 53rd there is compromising material for everyone, so open the cards, let's sit down as an adult we’ll talk about how we can respect each other in this slippery situation. Stalin would open the cards and how someone would write correctly and the Union would be alive now. The Trotskyist coup and lead to the collapse of all and this covering up of Amer’s lies. And now or later no one has will declassify, the train has already left. They already in a heap of films beat this story and competently make part of the films they show how they really fly and in others in comedies they mainly show how they shoot it all in the pavilion .Sad story.
  38. isker
    isker April 11 2019 09: 50
    0
    - A connoisseur! It is necessary to kill such experts! (with)

    As the gypsies say:
    - I'll tell you the "golden word" - RADIATION!

    for smart - enough, but by the way - even though there is a knock on the head against the head - there will be no sense ... ((
  39. Forever so
    Forever so April 11 2019 13: 21
    -2
    Good Anglo-Saxon - Dead Anglo-Saxon.
  40. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov April 12 2019 15: 59
    0
    1. Finally, someone remembered that:
    "the end of the Cold War," detente ", a thaw in relations with the United States and the entire Western world"
    took place in the mid-70s. The Cold War ended in 1975 with the capture of Saigon and the Helsinki dispute.
    The collapse of the USSR and the restoration of capitalism is the end of "warming and detente" and not the "cold war".
    2. It is very difficult to believe that the United States, 50 years ago, managed in 7 years to do what they don’t know today in 10 years. Where are their Saturn-5 and why it can not be modernized and used as R-7.