Kiev media called the DPR defector "battle mattress" and announced an amnesty

Ukrainian media continue to savor the transitions to the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine of former representatives of the LNNR People’s Militia. Calling those who contacted the Security Service of Ukraine "battle mattresses", the Ukrainian media and the blogosphere announce that now "everything will be fine for them, and they will receive an amnesty." This is in many ways reminiscent of the propaganda leaflets of the fascist German forces of the Great Patriotic War, when it was proposed to surrender and receive "food, water, shelter and guaranteed life safety with the opportunity to serve the Führer."

This time, Ukrainian media are talking about a deserter named Margarita Ponomarenko (Torosyan). She is 28 years old. It is stated that she had a relationship with the commander of the 1st tank Territorial Defense Company 11 Omsb Alexander Tarbaev. According to Ponomarenko (again, based on Ukrainian publications), she "was disappointed in the ideas of New Russia and realized that she had been thrown."

From materials in the Ukrainian blogosphere:

She decided not to break her life and wrote off the SBU.

It is stated that a representative of the Armed Forces of the DPR has stolen a flash drive that allegedly contains all the information about the servicemen of the said tank unit of the DPR NM and the unit itself, including the number of tanks, the names of soldiers and officers, call signs, contact details and daily routines.

Further, the Ukrainian media present “social advertising” from the Security Service of Ukraine under the slogan “You are waiting for you at home” with contact numbers for those who want to desert from the ranks of the People’s Police of the LPR and the DPR.

In connection with the transition of two female soldiers to the side of Kiev among the Ukrainian radicals delight reigns. The fact that Ukrainian soldiers, with the personal data of their co-workers, and sometimes with personal data, literally weekly, side with the LDNR weapons, in Kiev, prefer not to speak. The “truthful” Ukrainian bloggers are also silent about this.

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[Uncle lee]

and deducted from the SBU.

In the LDNR, an SBU mailbox hangs on each post

[Spartanez300]

Pure propaganda of dill to denigrate the LDNR army, but I don’t see the truth about the transition, but what is not clear.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Spartanez300

Pure propaganda of dill to tarnish the LDN army

That's for sure. The "valor" of the nationalist SBU country 404 lies in the fact that they were able to carry out an operation to lure two aunts to their side. Moreover, the latter is doubtful, as the first one is not clear how it got there. Well, what can I say, handsome !!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! Borodai said about all this. The ratio is one to ten, and military personnel are fleeing from Ukraine and not "battle mattresses".

[Tatyana]

This is all fake APU. Here is an interview of Margarita Ponomarenko to the correspondent of the press service of the UNM DNR.

Having honestly served under a contract in the DPR and quit at its end (see video below) - and not escaping from the DPR - Congratulations on the upcoming 8 March!
Happy life with her family and friends living in the DNI!

Exposing fake Ukrainian media about the flight of Margarita Ponomarenko to Ukraine. Posted by: 7 mar. 2019 d. News-Front

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Tatiana

Posted Mar 7 2019 News-Front

Thank you Tatyana. I understood it. But you don’t have to relax. Today Prilepin published a new loss of militias: -Doc died. Company commander in our battalion. My friend. I wish him good memory.

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[Tatyana]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Thank you Tatyana. I understood it. But you don’t have to relax. Today Prilepin published a new loss of militias: -Doc died. Company commander in our battalion. My friend. I wish him good memory.

Sad Very sad! Loyal to the Russian world, good and honest people, our defenders - are leaving life!
Earth rest in peace!

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: Tatiana

This is all fake APU

thanks for the posted video

[kjhg]

Such transitions in the Civil War are commonplace. Each participant has relatives, friends, and acquaintances on either side.

[orionvitt]

Quote: Spartanez300

but I don’t see the truth about the transition

I have not seen the truth in Ukraine for five years. From the word at all. And to express delight, about the betrayal of two inadequate aunts and to make a "victory" of a universal scale out of this, is somehow petty or something. Now the aunts will taste the "hospitality" of Ridny Ukraine to their heart's content, always remaining "battle mattresses".

[Andrei Gurov]

Did you also send this comment through a box on a post?

[Normal ok]

Quote: Uncle Lee

and deducted from the SBU.

In the LDNR, an SBU mailbox hangs on each post

THERE IS NOTHING EASIER ... Go to the official website of the SBU, in the contacts section. Next is a matter of technology.

[Santjaga_Garka]

I mean SMS, as I understand it, or messengers ...

[A good one]

They will peck it at the household level, use it and throw it out, it’s a pity for the children, it is unlikely that they will be cleared of the stigma of the unreliable in the future.
The distance from the "combat mattress" to the used one is small.

[novel66]

no at all! and about this

t "social advertising" from the SBU under the slogan "They are waiting for you at home" with

remembered

[Avior]

not so simple.
propaganda there is far from as primitive as the Nazis had in the war.
everything is much more cunning and thoughtful

I don’t know if the Americans tried any hard, or they tensed in Kiev, but it looks much thinner, especially for those who have been fighting for a year, and the family has remained on the Ukrainian side.
Families, by the way, do not touch, as I understand it, this is another element of propaganda.

[Cowbra]

The joke is that VSUshnikov, it turns out - no one is waiting at home)))

[Avior]

now there are only volunteers

[Cowbra]

Are those from the 72nd brigade scattered? Beaver volunteers, because of which they threw Kolomoisky mercenaries from Azov as detachments? It's ridiculous! And when did they cancel the appeal to Ukraine?

[Avior]

draftees are not sent to the Donbass, only volunteers.
about fled, it's some kind of nonsense.
Can you give a link to a normal source for the fact that you "fled"?

[Cowbra]

Read the Ukrainian media, and you will be happy. Go, from there you and nadybal tales about very volunteers in the Donbass? It’s just a volunteer-volunteer Mysyagin who was full head on and told how many "black assholes" fled from positions ... Well, though. still less than the chief military prosecutor counted ukrov- "deserters with weapons"

The military prosecutor’s office opened 16 thousand criminal cases against deserters, while the police managed to find no more than a thousand of them, said the chief military prosecutor of Ukraine Anatoly Matios.

These volunteers are all without exception!

[Avior]

read. did not see that they "fled". and what do you mean run away? have they deserted or transferred to other units?

The military prosecutor’s office opened 16 thousand criminal cases against deserters, while the police managed to find no more than a thousand of them, said the chief military prosecutor of Ukraine Anatoly Matios.

This is the 2015 statement.
then they were mobilized, so you can believe in deserters, but those days are long gone, there are no mobilizations, only volunteers in the Donbass.

[Cowbra]

It is clear that only volunteers, therefore, 15% each in the military units of the people of the full-time staff, the rest voluntarily skied. Someone else before receiving the summons:
https://strana.ua/articles/analysis/175446-kak-i-pochemu-v-ukraine-sorvan-osennij-prizyv-v-armiju-koho-berut-i-kak-otkosit-ot-sluzhby.html

At the same time, reality makes its own adjustments. Sources in the Ministry of Defense told Strana that the plans for the autumn conscription have been fulfilled by no more than 40 percent.
Because of this, in fact, the military enlistment offices are allowed to go into all the hardships, arranging raids right on the streets of Kiev and other cities.

Five years of beaver volunteers in the zoos with lanterns sought Just about the last call that December 31st ended!

[Avior]

you confuse call and mobilization. draftees in the Donbass are not sent and never sent.
but the fact that they are hiding is so unaccustomed to everything. For many years there was no call.

Actually, they are not particularly chasing after such ones. She doesn’t want to serve, they just turn a blind eye to it.

[Avior]

rummaged, found

This description of the situation in the connection is contained in a post posted on Facebook by Yuri Mysyagin, a volunteer helping the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
The volunteer wrote that almost half of the personnel left the brigade in a little over a year. Mysyagin laid the blame for the incident on the commander of the unit, Colonel Ruslan Tatus. The military, who were unable to endure Tatus' methods, were transferred to other units or refused to renew the contract with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the author of the publication noted. This is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/other/41630529/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

no desertion, as you see. besides, rambler misinterpreted - Mysyagin wrote that when the withdrawal was 65 percent of the personnel, but did not write how they were originally equipped.
In general, everything that you wrote above has nothing to do with reality, there was no desertion and this brigade was not close.
And second, why do you need to believe him? he and the commander had an hostile relationship, you never know what he did.

[Cowbra]

but he didn’t write how they were originally equipped.

Yes? And what is he talking about?

“Many APU brigades have problems with picking, but so quickly out of the blue lose almost half of the personnelas the 72nd under the command of the brigade commander Tatusya is a real disaster, ”wrote Mysyagin.

The leadership of the army and the OOS headquarters are well aware of what is happening in the 72nd. After all, there were enough checks. But everyone is silent and only for some reason they whisper and communicate with each other. It turns out: that if the brigade commander is married to the niece of the deputy NSSh (deputy chief of the General Staff of Ukraine), then everything is a god. No one can say a word to him. Miracles what you want. You can break up one of the best brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, you can engage in personal enrichment, what I want, then I do what we have now

[Avior]

I watched the Facebook post of this Mysyagin for July 2018. there is none of this, it is written that the official figure is 65 percent of the personnel upon exit.
where do you get it from?
and there is other data besides this unknown to the Mysyagin?
why did the internet suddenly become clogged in January 2019 with what this mysyagin said in the summer of 2018?

[Cowbra]

Ukrainian volunteer Yuriy Mysyagin told why the 72nd APU brigade lost in a year 70% personnel ....
Source: https://politexpert.net/139399-oni-ne-sterpeli-ukrainskii-volonter-rasskazal-kak-legendarnaya-72-ya-brigada-vsu-za-god-lishilas-bolshe-poloviny-lichnogo-sostava

[Avior]

Why do I need a political expert? Well this is an ordinary info-wash, and there is no link to Mysyagin there. and even there, by the way, there is not a word about desertion.
Give a link to Mysyagin if you write about him.
and for that matter, does it not surprise you that this whole story is given with reference to a single person who has a clearly hostile attitude towards the brigade commander?

[Cowbra]

According to the newspaper VZGLYAD, the state of affairs in the 72nd Ombr before her return to the front was in crisis. Even at the training ground in Belaya Tserkov, mass dismissals of officers with combat experience began. This is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/ukraine/40315404/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

Well, that's another, and this Tatyusha, it turns out, and in the last post they did not consider a person
The composer ... He could only write an opera, in the sense of an especial report

[Avior]

and you read what you sent.?
there is again a link to this mysyagin.

A certain volunteer Yury Mysyagin in one of the social networks attacked the commander of the 72nd Ombr of Ukraine Ruslan Tatus. This is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/ukraine/40315404/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

or is this
"Drawn by Tatusem 65% (according to the volunteer, who still cannot be regarded as a serious source of information) is a good result. This is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/ukraine/40315404/?utm_content = rnews & utm_medium = read_more & utm_source = copylink "
I think it makes no sense to discuss a "sensation" from a single person.
all the more so because it’s not about any desertion, they simply transferred to other brigades.
good night

[Cowbra]

And not only on Mysyagin. Here's a link for example to General Nikitchenko, about who the "beavers on the front line in Donbass" are:

As Politonline wrote earlier, the Deputy Commander of the Ground Forces of Ukraine, Major General Pyotr Nikitchenko, at the review of the positions of the 72nd brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, called the "fighters of the Ukrainian good soldiers" thieves and marauders.
Read more at http://www.politonline.ru/interpretation/22891800.html

And why did he raise this topic? Apparently, precisely because Mysyagin was right about the theft in the 72nd brigate, which, by the way, was dubbed "black avatars" for general drunkenness, and back in 2015

[Cowbra]

And even cooler: http://argumenti.ru/society/2018/12/595000

Late booze in 72 brigade resulted in the death of one of the drinking companions
December 6 2018

Avatars - they are avatars

[Cowbra]

And in the same hole:
https://www.depo.ua/rus/war/chomu-dosvidcheni-biyci-zalishayut-armiyu-i-yak-ce-pov-yazano-z-kombrigami-20180515773871

"Last November, Ruslan Tatus, the former chief of staff of the 72th brigade, was appointed commander of the heroic 128nd OMBR. In the first few months of his command, more than 1000 servicemen left the brigade. Many of them publicly stated that they could not find a common language with the new commander and they will never understand his soviet orders. The heroic 72nd lost the best fighting guys with experience in fighting in Avdeevka, at the prom, for Volnovakha, "Olga wrote.

[Stroi76]

Dear Avior, commentators on this site do not recognize objective information, you better tell them how Ukraine will bend, freeze, starve to death, and then the damned ia. Get a lot of pluses, and very quickly become a "general".

[Hto tama]

They are pecking, but not now. Now she will work as an agitation block, for those who are also displeased. People are tired of working with cannon fodder when they shoot you, but you hear from your commanders not to succumb to provocations, not everyone will have nerves.

[Stirbjorn]

You are all right to say, and even after the farce with the election of an outspoken swindler, Pushilin, I think many were depressed. And neither war nor peace, and there is no end in sight ... to sit and wait for you, or your loved ones, the Ukrainian shell to fall on your head

[iljael]

Not everything is so sad. Source:
http://newsvideo.su/video/10390351

[Tatyana]

Quote: iljael

Not everything is so sad. Source:
http://newsvideo.su/video/10390351

Ilya! Thanks for the TRUE information *!

*NOTE. I inform you that on the site "VO" there are videos only from YouTube.

[Incvizitor]

Traitors like her are always scorned and will never be washed away.

[rotmistr60]

she had a relationship with the commander of the 1st tank company

And what is the Ukrainian peremoga? PPS, which by default does not know any real secrets escaped to them and now they will definitely win? Baba probably counted on privileges, lying down already with the commander of a tank company, but a bummer. Now he will try to get something from the Natsiks, but there will be nothing beyond the mattress. And the company commander needs to set their brains and conduct a preventive conversation about the storage of official documents and illegibility of communications.

[private person]

Have you read the article? She grabbed a flash drive with information and who knows what is on it. Looking at them, who will be next and in what quantity.

[widower]

Quote: private person

She grabbed a flash drive with information and who knows what is on it.

very secret information

Name of soldiers and officers, call signs, contact details and daily routine.

[private person]

Name of soldiers and officers, call signs, contact details

An employee of the SBU will call and politely describe the situation to the fighter and then make an offer that he cannot refuse. And yet, it is possible that these two friends will be taken to different courts and organizations such as the United Nations on which they will sing together about how the Russian Armed Forces invaded the territory of Khokhlostan.

[widower]

look what I highlighted.
Interestingly, she didn’t grab the uniform and menu in the dining room?

And yet, it is possible that these two friends will be taken to different courts and organizations such as the United Nations on which they will sing together about how the Russian Armed Forces invaded the territory of Khokhlostan.

about this and so trumpet

[rotmistr60]

private person
Have you read the article? She grabbed a flash drive with information

Have you read my comment?

A company commander needs to set their brains and conduct a preventive conversation regarding the storage of official documents and illegibility of communications

Information at best and with a stretch pulls on "for official use".

[private person]

Probably the process started late, it’s me about straightening the brains.

[Avior]

not just a flash drive.
The original message says that another 16 gig pumped before the escape.

[igorbrsv]

For information, 16 GB is too much. This is definitely not a photo, not a correspondence. Such a volume can take a bunch of videos, for example, clashes. It is not known how important this information is, because the SBU knows all the data of the inhabitants of Donbass and so on.

[igorbrsv]

Probably reckons that the mobsters are more generous
Or maybe she was sent there to intelligence, draining insignificant information

[bessmertniy]

The soul of a woman is darkness. Today she fled in one direction, tomorrow in the other. She is looking for happiness, which is not only in the mattress. And does not find. Because on both sides - blood, dirt, deception. Happiness and war are incompatible.

[IL-18]

Interestingly, obituaries on both appear simultaneously or with an interval of a week or two?

[g1v2]

Well, the list of drugs, the daily routine and information about the internal life of the battalion is also a lot. People constantly communicate. If she was a PCA, then she probably talked with his colleagues, talked. He knows who has relatives on the other hand, what is his mood, who pushes property to the left or does not mind making money. This info for SBU is also useful.

[Simon]

So I signed myself a sentence.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Simon

So I signed myself a sentence.

True, traitors do not like anywhere .....

[Vol4ara]

So Ponomarenko’s personality has been untwisted from a part, even in Russia there was a report about it, and here it’s such a scam. And nameless vaski and vanki from the infantry are of no interest to anyone. That's why they are silent.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

These are only the first calls.
More is more, because people are tired of war.

[igorbrsv]

But they will remain the most hardy. But they still don’t need people like her

[BRDM2M]

Hardy you say? So take the children, wife and come here to us, you will take out the Russian passport at home, leave here LNRovsky get

[Vadim237]

Not worth it - another 4 years of such a truce and LDNR will work out - the APU will simply roll up in bulk, there are more and more weapons and mercenaries in the APU every year.

[Prjanik]

But the outskirts themselves will stretch these 4 years, by the next year gas transit will be cut off, the German will cost a lot, and lending to this territory is already a little bad.

[bistrov.]

Defectors in the war are commonplace, and in World War II such cases were quite common on both sides. And here, the civil war, everyone is mixed up.

[Nikolay Ivanov_4]

I don’t remember many cases when the Germans fought for the Russians, but our generals (even Vlasov’s example), the Germans, may give up, but then to shoot at their own? as many of our compatriots (Vlasovites, Bandera’s, Caucasian battalions and other rabble, including Cossack’s) did, I can hardly recall such cases at all (otherwise, if they were the first, Soviet propaganda would magnify us as an example)

[Vasiliev Yu]

I don’t remember many cases when the Germans fought for the Russians, but our generals (even Vlasov’s example), the Germans, may give up, but then to shoot at their own? as many of our compatriots (Vlasovites, Bandera’s, Caucasian battalions and other rabble, including Cossack’s) did, I can hardly recall such cases at all (otherwise, if they were the first, Soviet propaganda would magnify us as an example)

And you read about Field Marshal Paulus. Surprise greatly, though he did not shoot at his own, but propaganda led against the Nazis.

[asar]

This is after captivity, when he was sitting in Suzdal!

[Vasiliev Yu]

And what about Vlasov, before captivity, he began to fight with his own?
Have you read carefully ?:

I don’t remember many cases when the Germans fought for the Russians, but our generals (even Vlasov’s example), the Germans, may give up, but then to shoot at their own? as many of our compatriots (Vlasovites, Bandera’s, Caucasian battalions and other rabble, including Cossack’s) did, I can hardly recall such cases at all (otherwise, if they were the first, Soviet propaganda would magnify us as an example)

[asar]

Before captivity, he was a field marshal!
I don’t understand what you want to say something about ?!

[asar]

For what a minus, did not understand ?! For Paulus, who was in Suzdal ?!
My grandfathers, by that time, were already far from Stalingrad!
If you want to know my opinion about Vlasov, I will answer:
Inveterate Scoundrel, inveterate Bastard, Fucked gan.don!
Traitor! That's all, men! Traitor, b.lya, that's all!
Sold everything, Motherland, his mother, wife, children ....!
Anything else to add ?!

[Dym71]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4

I don’t remember many cases when the Germans fought for the Russians, but ours are even generals as much as necessary (Vlasov’s example)

Lieutenant General Walter von Seidlitz-Kurzbach.

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4

Germans may have surrendered, but then to shoot at their own?

Find information about the National Committee "Free Germany" and the "Union of German Officers", they went into battle in German uniforms, with German awards and differed from the Nazi troops only in the bandage on the sleeve, made in the colors of the flag of the Weimar Republic.

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4

such cases in general I can hardly recall without a hitch (otherwise if they were, we would their first Soviet propaganda would exalt as an example)

Surely Heinrich von Einsiedel, the ace pilot of the elite 3rd Fighter Squadron named after "Ernst Udet", did not come up? An aristocrat, Bismarck's great-grandson, Hitler personally admonished him: “Put order in the skies over Stalingrad, Count. I believe you will do it. "
There were guys and simpler - corporal, artilleryman, Fritz Schmenkel - Hero of the Soviet Union.

[2329 Carpenter]

Are you trying to compare the number of Russian and other divisions in the SS? Or Cossack in the Wehrmacht? Not to mention the national divisions.
And about the number of heavis of all Soviet nations it is better not to mention at all.

[Dym71]

Quote: Carpenter 2329

Are you trying to compare the number of Russian and other divisions in the SS?

This is me about:

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4

I remember few cases

[Avior]

Fritz Shmenkel had no choice, otherwise he would have been simply shot, he would have gone to the partisans, and there they didn’t really bother at the Geneva Conventions, and there was simply nowhere for them to be taken prisoner.
And all the others you listed did not fight against the Germans.

Find information about the national committee "Free Germany" and the "Union of German officers", went into battle in German uniforms, with German awards and differed from the Nazi troops only by the bandage on the sleeve

like these too. they didn’t go to any battle

[Sergey M. Karasev]

like these too. they didn’t go to any battle

Rather, they were not allowed into battle. Comrade Stalin did not like traitors. None. Therefore, he did not trust them, did not give them weapons. Although he had the opportunity to recruit German "Vlasovites on the contrary".

[Avior]

rather, they were not going to. Including the Shmenkel deserter.

[gsev]

Quote: Avior

rather, they were not going to. Including the Shmenkel deserter.

Not all Germans enjoyed living and serving a state that destroys their fellow citizens even if they are Jews, Gypsies or the mentally retarded. In a world on the verge of creating nuclear weapons, a state like Hitler Germany must be destroyed. Honor and praise to those Germans who, like Schmenkel or Stauffenberg, sought to destroy such a state.

[Avior]

like everyone else who fought against the fascists and fought them in other ways.
just read the above, it was about fighting against the Nazis.
captured Germans did not participate in this, with the exception of units due to a combination of circumstances.
for example, Shmenkel’s choice was to either take part in the struggle or the partisans would shoot. But such examples are few.

[gsev]

Quote: Avior

excluding units due to a combination of circumstances.

Even units save the honor of the German nation. For example, in the Brittany Islands, during the German occupation, the British did not commit a single act of sabotage against the Nazis.

[meandr51]

You can recall ace Hartman as he, after captivity, took the initiative to become a pilot instructor of the Soviet Air Force. They just neighing over him.

[Avior]

Hartman was captured after the war and the surrender of Germany.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4

I don’t remember many cases when the Germans fought for the Russians

Autobaths on captured equipment with captured drivers. In short - the same Heavi.
EMNIP, on the VIF they wrote about one such German driver who managed to run into the dugout of General Shumilov in 1943 before the battles on the Kursk Bulge. Also known is the case in the Crimea in 1944, when not knowing your own - Our motorized reconnaissance group came under fire from our own infantry, since a German car was at the head of the column (and, as it turned out, with a German driver).

[Avior]

a bit much wrong

“Today, at 8.00:662 a.m., a foreign truck belonging to the XNUMXnd airborne landing gear carrier, driven by a German prisoner of war driver, due to a malfunction, rolled backwards from the mountain in the area of ​​my dugout, ran into a prisoner of war and a sergeant of a security company, wounding the latter. The eldest in the car was an assistant company commander for materiel art. Lieutenant Borisov.
Such a case could only happen due to the exceptional slackness in the company, because travel to the KP area is prohibited. Departure by a faulty car in the part where the requirements for operating the machine are complied with is also impossible, in addition, keeping a German prisoner driver in the company and admitting to work is a gross violation of my order. Since all prisoners are to be immediately sent to a prisoner of war camp. This violation of the order shows at the same time a complete lack of vigilance in the 622nd airborne aerospace defense company.
I order:
I. To all military formations and units where prisoners of war are still located for some reason, immediately send them under escort to the prisoner of war camp and continue to not detain them in units and not engage them in work ”
TsAMO RF. F. 290 mp. Op. 20928s. E.4. L.199.
Cit. by Zamulin V.N. Forgotten battle of the Arc of Fire. M .: Yauza, Eksmo, 2009. P.68.

[igorbrsv]

. she was disappointed in the ideas of New Russia and realized that she was thrown. ”

Well, SBU will help her.

. weekly, Ukrainian military personnel with personal data of colleagues, and sometimes with personal weapons

. Silent on this occasion, and "true" Ukrainian bloggers.

Afraid of lustration
Democracy on democracy and democracy drives

[igorbrsv]

Quote: Uncle Lee

and deducted from the SBU.

In the LDNR, an SBU mailbox hangs on each post

With the inscription "Russian Post"

[Lamatinets]

Everything is becoming more and more interesting, and who will run from there?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Why be surprised? .. The media is - ,,, Ukrainian ,,

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Will go with, patriotic, Ukrainians to collect strawberries and wash toilets, in Poland.

[Vasiliev Yu]

Sometimes they simply nailed to the stands with the inscription: 'Who lost?'

[The leader of the Redskins]

Straight what kind of starfall .... Only I did not understand from what resources Ukropskih news sucked?

[Avior]

from a browser with a link to a blogger.

"Disappointed in" Novorossiya ": another terrorist" DPR "fled to Ukraine

what is true there and what is not, who knows?

[Naval]

Apparently, these "battle mattresses" do not care where to make money, even in Leningradka, even in the role of PZH, even in a brothel in Pshets, the main thing is that the shmat of fat is thicker. And what exactly are the special departments in the subdivisions of the republics doing? And where are the organizational conclusions,

[svp67]

Civil war, it is so ... remember this story, Sholokhov "Don story"

[Retvizan 8]

In Skakuasia, betrayal is a national ideology, so there is so much joy that another "Judas" has arrived in their ranks.
They even have national heroes traitors, such as Mazepa.

[sergo1914]

Flash drive? Cool. What if it cannot be read?
PS Someone tell the SBU about cloud technology?

[Avior]

already told

And before leaving, I sent another 16 GB of data (you need to pay for freedom).

[AAK]

Nothing unusual, from 2014 to this day, they have been constantly running back and forth, some from Ukraine to LDNR, others in the opposite direction, and there are a minority of ideological transitions, they usually either messed up or didn’t share something with someone. Until now, a rare month is not complete without publications about the capture in LDNR of spies working in Ukraine, from a janitor to a minister ... I have 2 comrades who died in the Donbass in May 2014, their DRG were handed over to dill at the exit ...

[K-50]

now "they will be fine

So let's see how much she will be disappointed.

[Avior]

I looked at the original message and didn’t understand, was she even in the militia?
"The commander's mistress" is not a position or title.

[Nikolka]

Well, it is said, "battle mattress")

[Kaw]

As I understand it, these are mistresses of commanders awarded for military posts. And now this contingent ran amicably to the other side of the barricades, no matter what.

[Avior]

this clearly does not apply to Druck.

[meandr51]

Want to understand women?

[BAI]

These defectors (namely, defectors (ie, women)) are ideal material for a "sacred victim". They will use them, then they will kill them - and immediately howl "They killed the WOMEN out of revenge, these are the bad LPNR and Russia." I don’t want to be a prophet, but I think this will end. England with the Skripals will seem like an innocent sheep.

[Nikolka]

"Battle mattress" - how is it? A soldier to lie down and jump?)

[Antares]

Well there is a video.

the source of all this information is not quite the Ukrainian media.
Fashik Donetsk and his site.
http://fashikdonetsk.com/margaryta-i-tanki-novella/
This is obviously a disinformation from a "volunteer" or maybe catches a "wave" (informational term) after success with the previous one.

[Mic1969]

Well, at the site of the pedrino image-makers, I would say that they go to the side of the Armed Forces after listening to the pedrins of speech. Well, like after the sermon - the lame have seen, and the deaf got up and went ...

[APASUS]

I think all the same DNR / LNR specialists missed one of the young ladies, or maybe two. Now all attempts to not admit defeat look silly. The question is rather how successful the life of a traitor in Ukraine is. They do not spare their own (remember Buzina, Kalashnikov), but there is a traitor, and if his own patriots banged the banderlogs, then it’s quite possible to blame DPR / LPR for revenge

[tank64rus]

Now there are many mercenaries on the side of the APU, especially on the front.

[LeonidL]

Yes, "daily routine" is a super-duper terrible military secret, and everything else smells like fake.

[Uruska]

Traitors are hated on both sides.

[Snusmumrik]

".... About the fact that literally every week Ukrainian servicemen with the personal data of their colleagues, and sometimes with personal weapons, go over to the side of the LPNR ..."

Here about it please in more detail. Who, how much, when.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

In connection with the transition of two women soldiers to the side of Kiev among the Ukrainian radicals delight reigns. They prefer not to talk about the fact that literally weekly on the side of LDNR Ukrainian servicemen with personal data of colleagues, and sometimes with personal weapons. Silent on this occasion, and "true" Ukrainian bloggers.

And why, then, in the LDNR on this occasion they are modestly silent? It is necessary to respond to Ukrainian information attacks with our own information counterattacks, moreover, with tripled power, if they cross over to Donbas much more often! To puff about it in all the media, Twitter and other Facebook, crush it, so to speak, with a mass, so that the hohlatsky propagandons evaporate, and the inhabitants there come to the conclusion that their "peremogs" are not worth a dime on a market day! It is necessary to actively conduct information war, not only to defend, but also to attack!

[Egor-dis]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

And why then in LDNR about this modestly keep quiet? One must respond to Ukrainian information attacks with their informational counterattacks, moreover with tripled power, if they cross into the Donbass much more often! To think about it in all the media, twitter and other facebooks, to crush, so to speak, the mass so that the Khokhlak propaganda evaporated to break off,

Because this requires information troops. "In more numbers, at a cheaper price." They could be recruited incl. and from the soldiers. But here's a bummer. They not only cannot use the Internet, but also have the means with which you can access the Internet. Instead, there are castrated news channels and briefings by military representatives, which no one watches or listens to because of their complete discrepancy with reality.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Doesn't the budget allow "independent" bloggers to hire? Are the ideological keyboard fighters also over?
By the way, an information war on the Internet is not the worst thing for disabled people of the Donbass war. They still sit in the rear and have access to the Internet. Give them the relevant information from the front line, and they really will unfold in full!

[Egor-dis]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

Doesn't the budget allow "independent" bloggers to hire? Are the ideological keyboard fighters also over?
By the way, an information war on the Internet is not the worst thing for disabled people of the Donbass war. They still sit in the rear and have access to the Internet. Give them the relevant information from the front line, and they really will unfold in full!

Judging by what you are proposing, you have a poor idea of ​​what modern information war is and what resources it requires. But even this is not the main thing. And the main thing is that there is no "state order" even in such a version as you suggested. Nobody needs it.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

Apparently, Ukrainians have more than enough of these resources. And they better understand the importance of information warfare. Then, probably, in vain it is customary for us to consider them as complete idiots. Donbass should learn something from them.

[Egor-dis]

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

Apparently, Ukrainians have more than enough of these resources.

Resources are full of their owners. And in addition to resources, their owners have many years of experience and a desire to wage this war.

Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev

And they better understand the importance of information warfare.

The importance of information warfare is understood by their owners.

Quote: Sergey Karasev

Then, probably, in vain it is customary for us to consider them as complete idiots.

Ukrainians are in the role of ordinary performers, for the most part - they are really idiots, but, thanks to their owners, they are well organized and therefore effective.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

That is, in fact, it turns out that Donbass has to wage an information war with the United States, and not with Ukrainians. then we need to actively connect.

[Anchonsha]

Well, it is necessary to maintain at least somehow the state of war between LDNR and Ukraine, otherwise reconciliation will occur and then Potroshenko will be caput.