In New Delhi, said the United States supplied F-16 to Pakistan to contain India

For the first time in a long time, the Indian press allowed itself overt criticism of US policy. Edition The Economic Times today comes out with material saying that Washington signed a contract with Islamabad for the supply of F-16, initially reducing the situation "to the need to contain India."

In the Indian media it is recalled that the then US ambassador to Pakistan, Ann Paterson, noted:

The advanced F-16 program is also of a deterrent importance, as it gives Pakistan time and space to use a conventional rather than a nuclear response in the event of a future conflict with India.

It is noted that the United States began supplying F-16 fighter jets for the needs of the Pakistan Air Force, not hiding the fact that Islamabad could use this combat Aviation against India.

It is also noted that the United States delivered 500 air-to-air missiles to Pakistan, one of which was shot down by the Indian Air Force MiG-21. In addition, the Pakistani Air Force tried to shoot down the Su-30 Indian Air Force with these missiles, but as already noted, "the fighter maneuverability and professionalism of Indian pilots allowed the aircraft to escape from the missiles." This is a statement from the Indian Air Force.

The Indian media mentioned that a request was sent from New Delhi to Washington asking the Donald Trump administration to clarify whether the transfer of air-to-air missiles to Pakistan violates US partnerships with India. India also wants to find out from the United States if the authorities of this country intend to revise the terms of interaction.

From the material:

The air battle that took place between the airplanes of India and Pakistan was actually the embodiment of the scenario, voiced back in 2008 by the American ambassador (in Islamabad).

Comments

[Stirbjorn]

If only they didn’t remember who Pakistan delivered the Mi-35M recently

[Hagalaz]

And at least they will remember. They themselves are not very attached to only one supplier recently.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Stirbjorn

If only they didn’t remember who Pakistan delivered the Mi-35M recently

They don’t remember, unlike the Yankees, we don’t chat too much.
The weapon is good, it’s necessary, take it ...

[StudentVK]

Yes, all this is another film in the style of BolYwood) Dance a bit and calm down)

[YOUR]

The war between Iran and Iraq. Both there and there are Soviet weapons.
The same pintos entered the tender for the acquisition of the latest aircraft in India. Presented their F-21. In principle, the same F-16, but with new Stealth technologies, there is still something new there. Indians like this contract more than with Russia. Because The Americans promised to transfer technology and the aircraft will be partially produced in India.
India is gradually ceasing to be one of the main buyers of our weapons. So they abandoned the acquisition of our DPL in favor of the French "Scorpen". So the last Varshavyanka was acquired in 2000, leased for 10 years in 2012 by DPL "Nerpa". The one where the fire extinguishing system was accidentally turned on and our sailors died.
Our weapons are coming to Pakistan. Mostly through China. So delivered JF-17 fighters - from China. The glider is made in China, all avionics and engines RD-93 in Russia. But in fact these are our Su-30s, of which there are only 123 units in our Army.

[silverwolf88]

Weapons are generally not sold for pollination of flowers ... at the same time against whom and when to apply ... the buyer decides for himself

[bayard]

I would not be very deluded by India's "anti-American" rhetoric about "weak F-16s even against MiG-21s." They have this favorite trick during the bidding - a big contract is at stake and the Americans are offering the latest version of the F-16 with production in India and technology transfer. Now, exacerbating the situation, they can push the amers to more favorable terms of the contract ...
But if they choose the MiG-35 or even the Su-35, it means that they were sincere in their outpourings and the conclusion was right. Well, if the choice is wrong, then the Su-35 may appear in Pakistan.

[LiSiCyn]

It comes, with difficulty but comes
But it looks like it was a classic ambush. Packs on AMRAAM hoped, but shot down, only the MiG-21 ...
Well, the Indians liked Su-shki ...
Looking forward to a new contract?

[Hagalaz]

They themselves can already produce drying. The truth is not clear how it is with the quality, were able to adopt or not.

[LiSiCyn]

They can, but not completely. Again, a license

[Hagalaz]

It seems as soon as the engines themselves can not.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Hagalaz

It seems as soon as the engines themselves can not.

Few ???
It all depends on the number of "boards"

[Hagalaz]

Yes, I do not mind actually let them take more

[bone1]

What vile Yankees-delivered F-16 to Pakistan knowing that he could use them against India -and against whom the Pakistanis could use them? - probably against Honduras? -and there is nothing for the Indians to fool around and send the MiG-21 into battle, which has a place in the museum for a long time.

[Hagalaz]

Yes, most likely this situation is being promoted by the internal structures of India, tied to the purchase of weapons not from the United States.

[bone1]

Well, inside, and trembling, but before all of which you should expose yourself as fools?

[Hagalaz]

Own concepts

[16329]

The Indians quite intelligently exchanged their upgraded 21st for F16, thus further enhancing the advantage of their Air Force, while retaining the potential of more modern models
In general, I would not neglect either the Indian or Pakistani Air Force
There are normal pilots, trained and correctly operating their equipment, some problems with maintenance, but nonetheless

[Orkraider]

Quote: Bone1

What vile Yankees-delivered F-16 to Pakistan knowing that he could use them against India -and against whom the Pakistanis could use them? - probably against Honduras? -and there is nothing for the Indians to fool around and send the MiG-21 into battle, which has a place in the museum for a long time.

This is you in vain.
If about the MiG-21 Bis, then yes, to the Museum.
But the deep modernization of the Min-21-93 Bizon is capable of parity with at least half of the Pakistani Air Force. Pakistani F-16s (which are all with APG-66), and the rest of the J-7 and Mirage-5, I will not say that they are superior. Bizon has a new multifunctional coherent pulse-Doppler radar "Kopye" with a slot antenna, ILS, and NSC, the cockpit has been updated with the installation of multifunctional indicators,
two R-77 and two R-73 - a worthy application.
And in the spring of 2000, they fulfilled and confirmed the declared characteristics of the airborne radar in all modes. In particular, RVV-AE and R-73 missiles were launched, air targets fired, optical and target designation modes, and the installation of a radio-absorbing coating was tested. Tests of the conditional target, conducted in Nizhny Novgorod in May 2000 in the presence of the Indian Air Force Attachment, showed that the effective dispersion surface (EPR) of the MiG-21 bis was reduced by more than 10 times (relative to Bison).
Cabin:

In general, this is already approaching the 4th generation, a very successful modernization, and it is not worth it to be frivolous.

[A fruit]

In general, this is already approaching the 4th generation, a very successful modernization, and it is not worth it to be frivolous.

Nevertheless, I would not talk about a full fourth generation. Although the modernization is excellent, but the machine itself is aged, the extension of the resource of course and the number of flight accidents in India on it, it confirms.

[Orkraider]

Quote: Pevek

In general, this is already approaching the 4th generation, a very successful modernization, and it is not worth it to be frivolous.

Nevertheless, I would not talk about a full fourth generation. Although the modernization is excellent, but the machine itself is aged, the extension of the resource of course and the number of flight accidents in India on it, it confirms.

I did not speak about the full 4th. Rather, he stood on a par with the fourth generation, inferior, but having a very good price-performance ratio.

And for flight accidents:
“Most of the incidents with single-engine MiG-21 aircraft, according to the military, occur during take-off and landing. Since these machines require the pilot a fair amount of skill in flying. This is in combination with the fact that pilots for MiGs in India are issued under the accelerated program, as well as poor pre-flight maintenance and non-compliance with safety requirements, lead to disasters. Since 1970, the Indian Air Force lost at least 320 MiG-21s in disasters, and more than 160 pilots died. ”
Chief Marshal of the Indian Air Force, SP. Chiyagi said that he did not have at his disposal a "magic wand" capable of preventing permanent accidents of MiG-21 aircraft. The Indian Air Force is constantly working to address the issue, Tiyagi said.
As a result, the Republican Air Force decided to change the process of preparing and introducing a new generation of flight simulators.

[A fruit]

Thanks, detailed and understandable.

I read that by the year 202, India plans to write off all the MiG-21s. The whole era will be gone

[Orkraider]

Quote: Pevek

I read that by the year 202, India plans to write off all the MiG-21s. The whole era will be gone

Yes, it was planned. Wait and see what happens.

This is for you:

[nathanael]

Issued under the accelerated program. Key words. Five years ago, the Indian MiG-21 crashed. The pilot was 19 years old

[bone1]

And what did 29 develop while suffering? -It was only 21 to modernize , and how did the EPR decrease by a factor of 10? -wings broke off?

[faiver]

Elephant popper on the eagle?

[Ferusmag]

In New Delhi, said the United States supplied F-16 to Pakistan to contain India

And who doubted?

[Tank jacket]

It is beneficial to Pakistan that the gang of barmaley in the disputed territory was defeated by the Indians. And the exchange of aviation equipment is to maintain the degree of tension and the internal user. It is important to remember who created Pakistan and why.

[Hog]

In the course of Lockheed will remain without a contract for F-21)

[uhu189]

Of course, I apologize for skepticism, but it’s somehow strange that in a massive collision Su-30 dodged Pakistani missiles, and MiG-21 boldly went on the attack with melee missiles and caught a missile. I really appreciate our technique, but it seems to me the Indians, to put it mildly, exaggerate.

[Res_Ullus]

Oh surrenders to me, with our SU-30, not everything is going smoothly! Of course, I would like to make a mistake, but something has not gone through information for too long (

[Demagogue]

Quote: uhu189

Of course, I apologize for skepticism, but it’s somehow strange that in a massive collision Su-30 dodged Pakistani missiles, and MiG-21 boldly went on the attack with melee missiles and caught a missile. I really appreciate our technique, but it seems to me the Indians, to put it mildly, exaggerate.

MiG-21 fronts oh fighter, which was based closer to the border. He took off and hung on the tail of the f-16 almost immediately. There was a real chance to catch up due to speed superiority and punish))
And the su-30 appeared to cap analysis.

[Orkraider]

The bison is not only strong in close combat, he has the opportunity to get it at medium range.

Radar "Kopye" developed by NPO "Fazatron" is capable of:
- to detect and covertly accompany air targets in automatic mode, including those flying at low altitude above the ground or water surface (the detection range of a typical air target on a head-on course is up to 57 km, "after" up to 25-30 km.
-to provide an attack on target designation and hitting targets with missiles with radar and thermal homing heads, the simultaneous launch of two missiles with ARGS or TGS for two different targets is provided.
-the arsenal includes an air-to-air missile system R-27R1 (T1) with a passive medium-range radar (thermal) seeker, RVV-AE with an active medium-range radar seeker, and an R-60 short-range missile.

According to RVA-AE - they have plenty of them, in 2011 it was noted that at least 800 RVV-AE missiles were delivered from Russia to India.
As of the beginning of 2015, the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation continues to supply the Indian Air Force with air-to-air missiles RVV-AE.

[Demagogue]

And all murkers with missile launch ranges of 110 km and above are nonsense. For the same RVV-AE. Further 30 km to shoot down a fighter rocket problem. The same packs, they were fired by the Amraams, like the Katyushas near Berlin at 45m, and all into milk. In an instant, they just hit. They expected a miracle from the American uberwaffe, but there are no miracles, pure physics.

[5-9]

This is true for all missiles.
Shots outside the visual card, i.e. farther than 20 km, little, farther than 25 km - on the fingers of one hand.
AIM-9L Su-24 was shot down from 3,5 km (with the scandal, the F-16 flew over the line or not), although 18 km on the Murzilka River.

Therefore, the invocation of stealth is an invocation. With a real probability of shooting down only from 40 km and closer, the stealth of any suitable radar is visible and the radar can be detected.

[Fantazer911]

Friends are known in a bidet, but here it’s really visible that to ignite the conflict, the States are ready to pit everyone and just buy weapons only from them, and they do not care that India and Pakistan are constantly in conflict, so they pit Ukraine and Russia, Pendots in one word.

[Demagogue]

Quote: Orkraider

The bison is not only strong in close combat, he has the opportunity to get it at medium range.

Radar "Kopye" developed by NPO "Fazatron" is capable of:
- to detect and covertly accompany air targets in automatic mode, including those flying at low altitude above the ground or water surface (the detection range of a typical air target on a head-on course is up to 57 km, "after" up to 25-30 km.
-to provide an attack on target designation and hitting targets with missiles with radar and thermal homing heads, the simultaneous launch of two missiles with ARGS or TGS for two different targets is provided.
-the arsenal includes an air-to-air missile system R-27R1 (T1) with a passive medium-range radar (thermal) seeker, RVV-AE with an active medium-range radar seeker, and an R-60 short-range missile.

According to RVA-AE - they have plenty of them, in 2011 it was noted that at least 800 RVV-AE missiles were delivered from Russia to India.
As of the beginning of 2015, the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation continues to supply the Indian Air Force with air-to-air missiles RVV-AE.

There is a video where two f-16 packs that clashed with twinks, taken off the ground, ticking at a low altitude. It would not have been possible to shoot them down with a rocket, they would have left due to the mountainous terrain. Yes, and civil aviation was again taken into account. Packs could set up a civilian plane for their part, for example. Here the main public reaction in our time, and not an account in aerial combat. According to legend, Abinandan said: I will go after them. All further

[Demagogue]

Quote: 5-9

This is true for all missiles.
Shots outside the visual card, i.e. farther than 20 km, little, farther than 25 km - on the fingers of one hand.
AIM-9L Su-24 was shot down from 3,5 km (with the scandal, the F-16 flew over the line or not), although 18 km on the Murzilka River.

Therefore, the invocation of stealth is an invocation. With a real probability of shooting down only from 40 km and closer, the stealth of any suitable radar is visible and the radar can be detected.

Stealths are more likely to be invisible to missile seekers, due to their low power compared to fighter radars. That is, of course, there are pluses in stealth. The main plus with shock missions. The enemy may not even understand who bombed.

[Town Hall]

The question is HOW to detect a stealth plane to approach the visual distance - the comrade is not very worried)

[Demagogue]

Quote: Town Hall

The question is HOW to detect a stealth plane to approach the visual distance - the comrade is not very worried)

Well, for success, the stealth still needs to approach the enemy at least 30 km, where it can be detected by both radar and radar. Long range missiles like a meteor or aim-120 are needed for targets like enemy Avax. Here hypersonic missiles will significantly increase the capabilities of stealth.