The blunders of the Indian Air Force using SPICE-2000 were estimated at hundreds of meters

The Australian Institute of Strategic Policy (AISP - ASPI) has published satellite imagery reporting where Pakistan is located in India. aviation struck. Recall that the Indian media previously reported the destruction of the training camp of the militants of the Jeysh-i-Mohammad) Balakot group. If you believe the calculations of Australian experts, then in fact the missile and bomb strikes did not reach the goal.

On the map presented by ASPI, the yellow-orange ovals mark the points at which the bombs dropped from the Indian Air Force planes hit. Judging by these data, the bombs "did not reach" at least 150 meters before the indicated military targets of the Indian military.

Against this background, the Minister of Natural Resources and Climate of Pakistan Malik Amin Aslam made a statement, which traced a fair amount of irony. According to him, the Indian Air Force decided to "turn into environmental terrorists."

From the statement of the Pakistani minister:

With their blows they destroyed several dozen trees in the forest.

This statement is actively replicating the Chinese press, noting that at the moment there is no evidence that Balakot has a training base for terrorists.

Recall that earlier in the Indian press published information about the use of Indian Air Force Indian bombs SPICE-2000.

In Pakistan, they collected fragments of aviation munitions and confirmed that this is indeed SPICE-2000. It is noted that these bombs left big craters in a wooded area in the Jaba area.

Comments

[Lopatov]

bombs "did not reach" at least 150 m.

So what? For ZhPS + ANN it is quite normal. This is reality, not advertising murzil.

[Dude]

Israeli experts will now run in, claiming that the Indians have their hands crooked, and the bombs are the highest class! laughing

[Shahno]

Not curves, just dancing better suited ..

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Dude

Israeli experts will now run in, claiming that the Indians have their hands crooked, and the bombs are the highest class! laughing

They don’t need, just look at the experience of Syria, the Chinese radar and our shells, for example

[alexzeit]

armor is not ours for example

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Vol4ara

our shells for example

And what did "PANTSIRI" show for example? Hundreds of the newest bombs and missiles were shot down and ONE installation of the old model was damaged. Which could not physically reflect the blow during such a massive attack on it. Show me at least one other ZRU that could do this? And the Indians are not warriors, that's why such big blunders. If this is not misinformation, of course?

[mvg]

Hundreds of the latest bombs and missiles shot down

And what, there is evidence in the form of downed wreckage? And a dozen more missiles "landed" ... or two dozen?

damaged ONE old-style installation

Yes, as if the Jews removed the destruction, at least THREE Carapace .. and how many are actually destroyed .. only to the greater side ..
PS ,: Well, if you call the destruction of the attacked missiles by ramming the target, then Yes, the Syrians destroyed a lot.

[16329]

I don’t know, I don’t know, it’s just that the air defense systems are always under attack, their function, including taking the attack on themselves, simply wasn’t enough, where 2 were destroyed, it was necessary to use 4 or 6 or combined with other air defense systems, why so primitive , here specialists should discuss issues of tactics and combat use, separation, comprehensive protection of the object, and even single installations, and even with restrictions caused by the operation of the international airport, nothing tragic happened (with the exception of the death of the Syrian military of course)
Attacking the militant camp is generally a very difficult task, you need to know exactly where this camp is, who is there at a given time, use the appropriate reconnaissance equipment for real-time control, and the fact that the bombs were laid somewhere nearby, who knows, maybe it was also camp territory, there was simply no one there, for example, or they left the camp immediately before the strike, etc.

[mvg]

I don’t know, I don’t know, just air defense systems are always under attack

In the video where the Shell was destroyed, they tritely praised it. He fired missiles twice in the direction of the attacked Delilah, and both times a miss. Shots down Subsonic KR and gliding bombs .. on prepared positions, target designation radars from S-400 and S-300B4. The percentage should be 90, and as a result we have 19%. At the same time, thousands more missiles from the S-125 and S-200. This is real, not URA chants. At least ALL targets attacked by Jews and Americans are destroyed. At the same time, they are destroying not just anyhow, but real warehouses, an airfield, a plant ... and mainly where there is good air defense / missile defense. And the fact that there is only 1000 damaged fighter-bomber per 1 anti-aircraft missiles does not concern our patriotic URA.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: mvg

Yes, as if the Jews removed the destruction of at least THREE Carapace.

The Jews will show you a muzzle and say that it is the destroyed Shell, and you will believe, since the Jews cannot lie.

[mvg]

since the Jews cannot lie

Everyone knows how to lie. But in this regard, the Jews themselves are a trick, they know when to lie ... The loss of the shell was confirmed by our Defense Ministry. And the video shows how it was.
PS: This is our MO can say that they destroyed 77 KR out of 103, while they planted several pieces .. and, literally, a day ... they drew, first, that they destroyed 50, then 34, etc. Not at all embarrassed. Just as they lied with the Su-34, and with the Tu-22M3 ..
PS ,: Jews immediately recognized the loss of the aircraft, although it crashed on their territory. And so that taxpayers are not greatly outraged by the transfer of funds, they show cartoons where they destroy goals. Unlike our cartoons.

[kappa seven]

https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2018-04/1523853811_15238131197710.jpg по официальной версии пентагона сюда прилетело 76 ракет! слабо верится!! Утверждать, что пускал ракеты панцирь со стопроцентной вероятностью нельзя! Притом, что Израиль не заявлял про два уничтоженных панциря

[mvg]

accelerated the rocket shell with one hundred percent probability is impossible!

And who let it go? Arap with feet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS7NqpWav-o

[gor999]

In general, Jews are super! And the rest ....... Maybe pro-American nonsense is enough to write ??

[mvg]

Maybe enough pro-American bullshit to write ??

Don't read, scroll further. Jews are not great, but they won all the wars in which they participated. And they created their own very well-developed state. Without any revolutions and "five years in three years"

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: mvg

The loss of the shell was confirmed by our MO.

Can you drop the reference to the official statement of the Ministry of Defense?

[11 black]

Quote: Dude

Israeli experts will now run in, claiming that the Indians have their hands crooked, and the bombs are the highest class! laughing

In fairness, they have every reason to do so.
Yes, remember at least our shells Krasnopol, which the Indians kept for several years in the rains, and then cries of "Why don't they hit ?!" ...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Spade

For ZHPS + INS, this is quite normal.

Yes, you sho? 150 m is normal? Tady what for to pay for Zhopes still pennies? Maybe ... "by hand" ... without Inessa? "Hephaestus" - at the "worst end"? Everything is cheaper! And it is necessary to drag the Jewish traders to the courts! These Jewish faces promised ( "I swear by my mom!") KVO is several meters away! Maybe they weren't those "spices"?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Yes you sho ?! 150 m is normal? Tady nafig pay for Zhopes still pennies?

The advertisement is engine of the trade.
Some created another "killer of the S-300 and wunderwaffe in general", others once again believed the murzilkas and paid money

Quote: Nikolaevich I

These Jewish faces promised ("I swear by my mother!") A few meters high!

Quite possible. When aiming at the final section. Whom. as it seems to me, it was not, because for him specifically for the "spice" is needed a reconnaissance aircraft hanging in the target area. Capable of transmitting "target image" in the optical / IR range.

[Shahno]

Well, they still understand that this requires a specially trained group of "comrades". And the Indians are all by themselves, well, by themselves.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Shahno

Well, they still understand that this requires a specially trained group of "comrades".

For what? Determine the coordinates of the target and enter it into the "autopilot"? There is nothing complicated there.

We just take the errors in determining the coordinates of the target, square them, add them to the KVO of the ammunition itself in the square. And we take the root of this. We multiply by 8 and get rather large limits, in which such a miss of "high-precision ammunition" fits well

[Shahno]

Well, yes, and no. If you violate the procedure recommended by the supplier. And you declare that we still have our own regulations. Well then, what claims ... Everywhere there are nuances. And the quo, with due process. No square roots will help.
About the group of "comrades", not a lot of sarcasm.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Shahno

No square roots will help.

More how to help. This is a probability theory. It does not depend on nationality.

Well, no, for the manufacturer, of course, it is better to say, "We have a wunderwaffe and an S-300 killer, it's just that the hands of the Indians are crooked."
But sorry, systems that are so much touted (and expensive) shouldn't be affected by "user error".

[gurzuf]

https://youtu.be/NHaPCiKwUq8

[Petio]

Most likely they worked only on the coordinates and made a mistake in height — the bombs slightly flew over the hill and were aimed relatively well. Space-2000 — good ammunition — they have been used in the Israeli Air Force since 2006 and equipped almost all eskadrilles, and as we know, Israelis who use unfit ammunition are not armed hold in spite of the manufacturer

[alexmach]

Yes, you sho? 150 m is normal?

And you look at the photo. There the targets were at the top of the ridge. With such a relief, a 10m KVO easily turns into a target located on a plane ... The truth is still a lot and it is strange that not one of the missiles hit the target.

[voyaka uh]

"(150 m) For ZHPS + ANN this is quite normal" ////
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Spice has not only a GPS, but also an IR video camera. Which should lock the target and reduce the CEP to 3 m. Apparently, the IR video did not capture the target. This can be if the GPS coordinates were entered with an error and the video camera does not have the ability to "steer" the bomb to the target. The glide bomb has limited maneuverability.

[Gray brother]

Quote: voyaka uh

Apparently, IR video did not capture targets

Apparently, someone did not take into account the height above sea level. My question is - is there such an opportunity in this bonbon?

[voyaka uh]

Yes. It seems that the error crept in due to the total height or top of the ridge on which the targets were located. Bombs gently flew over the ridge at a low altitude and exploded on a distant slope. Overflights.
I think the slip was possible to avoid. The bomb has a comp chip. In which before launch there is an opportunity to amend.
Will be taken into account next time. In our flat areas, these Spice-2000s were used in Gaza, and they demolished buildings very carefully.

[Gray brother]

Quote: voyaka uh

In which before launch there is an opportunity to amend.

However, as far as I know, satellite navigation systems give three-dimensional coordinates and the altitude is always there, only the accuracy of its determination by satellites is +/- 10-15 meters. I see the problem here. Without accurate geodetic data, it is impossible to make corrections correctly, and your IR camera did not understand what.

[voyaka uh]

"and your IR camera was doing something incomprehensible" ///
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It either did not capture the target or capture too late due to an error in the height of the target. And the bomb did not have time to dive down.

[Petio]

For the optical system of these bombs to work, it is necessary to enter a digital picture of the target and even preferably not one - up to 100 can be entered in the memory, but it is possible the indians didn’t have an image and entered only the coordinates, maybe and so but the KVO is already 15-20 m and a height error is possible apparently it happened

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: voyaka uh

Yes. It seems that the error crept in due to the total height or top of the ridge on which the targets were located. Bombs gently flew over the ridge at a low altitude and exploded on a distant slope. Overflights.
I think the slip was possible to avoid. The bomb has a comp chip. In which before launch there is an opportunity to amend.
Will be taken into account next time. In our flat areas, these Spice-2000s were used in Gaza, and they demolished buildings very carefully.

I confirm - everyone misses the same mistake - the bombs didn’t reach the target. - The reason is that the correction for the height of the relief was not taken into account, the same case when they bomb at landfills in flat terrain, and the actual targets are on a difficult terrain.
It seems that they set the average level ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

Which must capture the target

Which one?
Is artificial intelligence there? No. Means what? That's right, at first a reconnaissance aircraft must be in the target area in order to detect, identify and obtain its image. On which the GOS will be induced

And without this, you will get the usual ANN + ZhPS ammunition. With appropriate accuracy.

[voyaka uh]

The goal is the building. Its GPS coordinates are entered into the bomb computer. Including altitude, which apparently forgot to do. On approaching the target, an infrared video camera in the GOS captures the target and throws the bomb more accurately (aerodynamically using its wings), reducing the chance of miss to 3 m. Did I write something incomprehensibly?

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

On approaching the target, an IR video camera in the GOS captures the target

How exciting? 8))))))
Does she get into the brain of a general in search of his hidden desires? How does she know that this is her goal?

[voyaka uh]

A photo of the target (made long before that) is inserted into the computer’s memory.
And the computer compares the image of the target in memory with the image that the video camera sees in the head of the rocket. If the images match, then the object is the target.

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

A photo of the target (made long before that) is inserted into the computer’s memory.

But how to do it if the goal is in the territory of another state?

[voyaka uh]

They conduct reconnaissance flights and take pictures. This territory is considered disputed.
Both countries - India and Pakistan - believe that the other side has occupied it.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Spade

How exciting? 8))))))

I smoked the topic - there is an IR head the same as on the Popeye rocket.
I quote:

The main objectives of the rocket are power plants, substations, cracking and distillation towers, communication nodes, mobile and stationary radars, communication centers, research centers and training grounds.

That is, it is objects that emit heat.
It is clear that she could not capture anything there.
I came across, in the process, an entertaining Soviet development of the period 40-50:

State tests in September 1955 involved 18 bomb drops. The first 12 Krabov were dropped on a conditional target that had an average thermal “look” similar to the Krasnodar refinery. Four bombs fell at a distance of forty meters. The deviation of two more was twice as large. The rest of the bombing did not give result due to equipment failure. The low-brightness thermal target (simulating the Shchekinskaya CHPP) remained intact. Only one bomb captured the target, but fell outside the circle with a radius of 80 meters provided by the technical specifications. Two more bombs did not capture the insufficiently bright target, and on the fourth there was a breakdown of the seeker. Finally, the most striking target imitating the Azov Metallurgical Plant was hit by both dropped bombs with a deflection of no more than 12 meters.

As a result of not very successful tests, a number of measures were taken. However, they didn’t lead to anything, and in August 1956 of the year, the SNAB-3000 project was closed down because of its futility. The main problem of the guided bomb "Crab" is considered the wrong choice of the type of guidance system. Infrared seeker has sufficient characteristics to destroy enemy equipment, but almost always such guidance systems are installed on missiles designed to destroy enemy aircraft. For air-to-surface munitions, infrared homing turned out to be disadvantageous, primarily because of the difficulty of detecting a particular object from thermal radiation.

https://topwar.ru/19415-tochno-v-cel-otechestvennye-upravlyaemye-bomby.html

[Nikolaevich I]

You "organized a meeting" of "dissimilar" concepts! Those ammunition from the IR-GOS "distant years" - "heat-detecting", aiming at a heat "spot" ... In "Spice-250/1000/2000" IR-GOS- thermal imaging, aimed at the thermal "portrait" of the target. Ammunition with a thermal imaging seeker can be defined in 2 "categories": I. Ammunition (for example, of the "Popeye" type ...) with the help of the INS / GPS is brought to the target area and there the seeker and a two-way radio communication channel are switched on. The seeker transmits an image of the terrain to the "carrier" ... the operator defines the target and "marks" it (puts a digital "mark") ... Further, he can "forget" (but this is one of the "modes") both the target and the missile ; and joyfully rush to your historical homeland ...
II. Ammunition (for example, "Spice") receives a "target image" before launch ... INS / GPS brings ammunition to the target area ... thermal imaging (TV) seeker compares "video" with "templates" ... "selects" by the target is directed to the template. This is all possible without the participation of the operator (without "opening" the communication channel ... in the "ideal" ...). In the second "category", the "two-way radio channel", as it were, is not needed; but still it is often "built in" ... as an option or as a backup system (just in case).

[Gray brother]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

You "organized a meeting" of "dissimilar" concepts! Those ammunition from the IR-GOS "distant years" - "heat-detecting", aiming at a heat "spot" ... In "Spice-250/1000/2000" IR-GOS- thermal imaging, aimed at the thermal "portrait" of the target.

What's the difference? If the temperature of an object does not differ in any way from the temperature of the surrounding area, then there can be no question of creating its thermal "portrait".
It’s like trying to photograph Malevich’s square in complete darkness.

[Nikolaevich I]

Terrain temperature is not "completely the same" ... otherwise there would be no point in developing "thermal imaging" devices. The seeker can direct ammunition not only to the "image" of the target, but also "guided" by the landmarks of the target area, visible in the infrared range ... (Correlation-extreme guidance and navigation system ... is called.)

[Leopold]

Nikolaevich In the heat of controversy do not lay out all the secrets. Useful yet.

[Shahno]

So what I hinted to you about. Do not want to follow the instructions, buy Harop. Bought Spice2000.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Spade

what? For ZhPS + ANN it is quite normal. This is reality, not advertising murzil

This is the normal KVO for an ICBM warhead, even very good; for guided planning bombs, a KVO of the order of three meters or less is considered normal.

SPICE - planning UAB development "Rafael". The control and guidance system (inertial + GPS, TV or TPV at the final stage of the flight; the GOS has a wide viewing angle) was borrowed from the Popeye UR of the latest models. In this case, SPICE does not require operator control at the stage of application of TV / TPV guidance, i.e. Scanning the picture is offline. In fact, SPICE combines the ease of use of JDAM with the accuracy of SD and PSA with TV-guidance. It can be used to destroy both ground targets and ships

Quote - taken from Oleg Granovsky

Barad Plada - SPICE-2000
Here, either the indigenous curvature of the Indians or the infowires of the packs and the Chinese.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ascetic

Here is either the curvature of the Indians

Oh......
Here you yourself indicate: "TV or TPV at the final stage of the flight." How they are guided and what preliminary preparation should be carried out for such guidance.

[Lopatov]

Maybe distorted. Although why? Americans with Pakistan don't get along very well.

[sak1969]

Well, it may be distorted, or a mistake may be deliberately introduced.
This is probably not a matter of Pakistan, but whose militants are in fact, since they were saved.
Satanovsky mentioned them here. Well, something like this .

[cyborg]

this is not normal even for carpet bombing of World War II ammunition. GPS guidance allows you to put exactly on target with a deviation of 10-15 meters.

[Professor]

Information war. Round 2.

[CLOSED]

Quote: professor

Information war. Round 2.

You are in Israel in this specialist Professor ..)))
When will you start bombing Syria again ..? You never miss

[Professor]

Quote: CLOSED

You are in Israel in this specialist Professor ..)))

We are children compared to you. Green Men is now a classic.

Quote: CLOSED

When will you start bombing Syria again ..? You never miss

We miss. But during the bombing of 87, thousands of militias did not kill a single civilian. Nonsense. You where the bomb fell there and the terrorist.

From the materials of the Kremlin for the trilateral summit on the Syrian settlement in Tehran, it became known that during the operation of the Russian air forces in Syria, 87 thousand militants were destroyed ...
https://vz.ru/news/2018/9/7/940792.html

[Russia]

Quote: professor

We are children compared to you. Green Men is now a classic.

This is for you they are of this color, someone scared them to the very pants, and you seduced. For us, these are special forces.

[just exp]

Yes, actually that special is all green. but ours were not green, but polite.

[CLOSED]

Quote: professor

We are children compared to you. Green Men is now a classic.

In Jerusalem, they may suddenly appear ... There are our Orthodox shrines that you taxed .. How do you like this option Prof? Now the crowd will start kicking)))
And with the Indians we will work closely and teach them to fight ..

[Moskovit]

Well, what can you do, someone had to destroy the igil, and not to heal and feed like Israel. Like there are white helmets. Do you have more?

[Nord2015]

Quote: Moskovit

How are the white helmets

White tales.

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

We are children compared to you.

Children?
After Sabra and Shatila ???
Flatter ...

[Professor]

Quote: Spade

Quote: professor

We are children compared to you.

Children?
After Sabra and Shatila ???
Flatter ...

Our allies killed dozens of people in Sabra and Chatil. Your allies bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We are not even children compared to you, CEP.

[Lopatov]

Quote: professor

Our allies killed dozens of people in Sabra and Chatil.

A few dozens? Or hundreds? Moreover, the safety of the dead was guaranteed by your allies. Those who bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[CLOSED]

Quote: professor

During the operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria, 87 thousand militants were destroyed ...

Well, I’ll add 37 thousand VKS sorties !!!! ..All the pilots were driven out, preparing for serious hostilities
Prof, and who considered these devils destroyed? Weren't you mourning for them in the USA and Israel? I sympathize with your loss .. Forgive us Russians, to fight like that ..

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: professor

We are children compared to you. Green Men is now a classic.

And why did you not like the "green men"?
Without dead, without wounded, they took the whole peninsula, in area hardly less than the "great" state of Israel. Learn, rookies!

[Pereira]

Enviously. They don’t know how.

[Boomandroid]

By the way about this, I watched a video on YouTube as one majakhet was shooting from a window, and three other bearded uncles fired from a corner of the house, and no matter how strange the bomb (or hummingbirds, you don’t understand there) flew precisely to these three, and the operator simply threw a wave ! So this is about the accuracy of our missiles and navigation systems, and if someone from the peaceful walks where they shoot, then of course it will appeal to them!

We miss. But during the bombing of 87 thousand militias, not a single civilian died. Nonsense. You where the bomb fell there and the terrorist. lol

From the materials of the Kremlin for the trilateral summit on the Syrian settlement in Tehran, it became known that during the operation of the Russian air forces in Syria, 87 thousand militants were destroyed ...
https://vz.ru/news/2018/9/7/940792.html

[edmed]

Quote: professor

But with the bombing of 87 thousand militias

Oops! "Trousers are turning, turning .." ISIS militants have turned into militias, maybe Hamas militias are also militias, but what are the same guys, only a side view

[Konst]

Professor,
"opolchentsami" you ISIS and all the babakhs called?

[zollstab]

Do not disturb Old Age, do not jerk the Professor — he has kefir, klystir and a warm toilet on his schedule

[APASUS]

Quote: professor

Information war. Round 2.

And if in the case, what do you say or do you have other information? Bombs then your production Yes, and the Australians can not be blamed for the love of Russia, these are your allies

[Professor]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: professor

Information war. Round 2.

And if in the case, what do you say or do you have other information? Bombs then your production Yes, and the Australians can not be blamed for the love of Russia, these are your allies

No one has any information. Neither about the bombing itself, nor about the type of weapon used. All this is speculation.

[hrych]

Quote: professor

No one has any information. Neither about the bombing itself, nor about the type of weapon used. All this is speculation.

Well, well, well! And who presented the super-duper Indian media How did the crooked Israeli ammunition flew into the milk, so immediately renounced it? And I confessed to you, they say, the Professor was right after all, they found Israeli fragments of high-precision ammunition, though with a deviation ... like an ICBM I’m looking, and the Professor changed his shoes

[Professor]

Quote: hrych

Quote: professor

No one has any information. Neither about the bombing itself, nor about the type of weapon used. All this is speculation.

Well, well, well! And who presented the super-duper Indian media How did the crooked Israeli ammunition flew into the milk, so immediately renounced it? And I confessed to you, they say, the Professor was right after all, they found Israeli fragments of high-precision ammunition, though with a deviation ... like an ICBM I’m looking, and the Professor changed his shoes

Tell me how Jews are prohibited from depicting animals. You are good at it. Otherwise, I will demand to show "Israeli fragments of high-precision ammunition" and you will again sit in a puddle.

[Pereira]

Regarding the presentation of the debris, I propose to turn to Pakistan. The wreckage is with them, not with Khrych.

[hrych]

Quote: professor

You tell me how the Jews forbidden images of animals.

The Jews do not, but adherents of Judaism, yes. This is called Aniconism (you can look at Wiki with one eye), based on Exodus 20-4

Do not make yourself an idol and no image that which is in heaven above, and that which is on earth below, and that which is in water below earth; do not worship them and do not serve them, for I am the Lord your God, a jealous God who punishes children for the guilt of their fathers to the third and fourth kind

Draw at least something of course and wherever you want, but not in the Temple and not on the Menorah, like sacred utensils in the Tabernacle (later in the Temple). And here the Romans drag a lamp with winged and beaky chimeras, tailed dragon-like and sea monsters That is, those who venerate this Menorah will be punished to the fourth kind, which of course has nothing to do with the Jewish Temple, moreover, it adorned the chambers of a certain pagan king or, better than that, according to the images with high probability, she stood in a temple like Dagon. Therefore, Mr. Oleg, by mistake and while trying to drag the bas-relief over the ears, the comrades of Israel angered the Demiurge, who made this lamp a symbol of worship, a coat of arms, etc. It turns out that you worship and bow to the tailed, winged, beaky, etc. chimeras, mythical and not very - monsters Therefore, we count from the founding of Israel in 1949 the third or fourth kind (generation probably) and wait for the kerdyk

[Professor]

Quote: hrych

The Jews do not, but adherents of Judaism, yes. This is called Aniconism (you can look at Wiki with one eye),

The Jews are who we eat (יהודים), and the adherents of Judaism are who we eat (יהודים)? So which of the eudim (יהודים)?

Quote: hrych

based on Ex.20-4
Do not make yourself an idol or any image of that which is in the sky above, and that on the earth below, and that in the water below the earth; do not worship them and do not serve them, for I am the Lord your God, a jealous God who punishes children for the guilt of their fathers to the third and fourth kind

In what Halachic צ reign (פסק ההלכה) it is written that the images of animals or any creatures of the sea are forbidden in the Jews?
Here is an ancient synagogue in Israel

Here is an ancient grave in Ukraine

Quote: hrych

Draw at least something of course and wherever you want, but not in the Temple and not on the Menorah, like sacred utensils in the Tabernacle (later in the Temple).

Grunt, we painted and will paint everything and everywhere that is not forbidden by Halakha. Got it? Everything that is not forbidden is allowed. So we live for thousands of years.

Now tell us again about how "people were not trafficked under serfdom."

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: professor

Now tell us again about how "people were not trafficked under serfdom."

.
And those who made the exodus from Egypt who were?
Some who traded in his wife.

[APASUS]

Quote: professor

No one has any information. Neither about the bombing itself, nor about the type of weapon used. All this is speculation.

A very strange statement, it either got here or not, judging by the fact that there are no pictures from the ubiquitous Israeli satellites, you didn’t get there at all? The goal is not hit, and who is to blame there is a secondary matter. Just differently, Israel would be the first to advertise its bombs.

[Shahno]

And in the case, it is not clear who bombed anything, than bombed, whether there was anything at all. In general, Indian cinema, but the article is already there ..

[bobba94]

Speaking about the case, I remembered the old movie "Chief of Chukotka", how there an American sold pipes from a gramophone to the Chukchi. He stands with a gramophone, turns the handle, the record turns, a bouncy Charleston. The Chukchi are delighted, they come up with fox skins. The American takes the skin, removes the pipe and gives it to the Chukchi, puts another pipe on the gramophone, he has a whole bunch of them there. This is how the Indians bought Spike. Essentially, the Americans like it, the French like it, we like it (read Khodarenko's opinion), the Indians liked it, but the Indians decided to save money.

[Winnie76]

I remember you, Professor, aspirated about pitpoint. Well, like a dozen, if in Russian. Stone flower doesn’t come out, Danila-master Welcome to real life ...

[Professor]

Quote: Winnie76

I remember you, Professor, aspirated about pitpoint. Well, like a dozen, if in Russian. Stone flower doesn’t come out, Danila-master Welcome to real life ...

Why doesn't it come out? It turns out. For example.

[Well done]

Didn’t she kill anyone? Good! And so - let them at least practice.

[Mimoxod]

From the statement of the Pakistani minister:
With their blows they destroyed several dozen trees in the forest.
Recall that earlier in the Indian press published information about the use of Indian Air Force Indian bombs SPICE-2000.

Good kamenyuka in the vegetable garden of "high-tech" Israel Jews from the time of the creation of the Bible were very good mystifiers and, of course, menegers to parry these placefication to the masses, it is difficult to argue with this.

[YOUR]

Or in the garden who applied.
Laser-guided bombs. So you need to highlight the target.
It seems they threw and washed off. Not any highlight.

[YOUR]

Really wrong. And there can not be ammunition with such a range with laser illumination. The meaning is lost. Aiming at the bomb is electron-optical. One guidance is required.

[Skay]

It's called "Knocking on the Roof"

And to you the same, the same.

[YOUR]

And to you the same in the same place.

[Mimoxod]

How famously did you learn to destroy a house, by chance, aren't your instructors teaching the Ukrainian Armed Forces of Ukraine to destroy Donbass ???

[bmv04636]

And here is how our special forces work

[Krasnodar]

Quote: bmv04636

And here is how our special forces work

In Israel, not only special forces, sometimes simple infantry or police (MAGAV) units, work on such topics.
The question is who is being taken. If someone is serious - then the special forces and without any knocking on the door - break into the windows and forward. Sometimes through the roof.

[bmv04636]

I’m wondering, but who are the Palestinians? And it hurts like Gaza is like a ghetto

[Krasnodar]

Palestinian Arabs? A mixture of Arab colonizers who came to this land in the 7th century AD with the descendants of Jews, Greeks and other peoples who converted to this land before the Arab conquests who accepted Islam.
Gaza Strip - Jews dismantled their settlements and military bases in 2005, making it completely free from Israeli presence. The most interesting thing started later. According to the results of the general Palestinian elections in the Palestinian Authority, Fatah won, but in Gaza, Hamas took the majority. Then the representatives of this organization cut about 2 thousand representatives of Fatah and took power in the sector into their own hands. Then in 2006, Hamasniks killed three and captured one Israeli tanker who had a picnic on the border near his tank.
Israel conducted a military operation against Hamas in Gaza, which was supported by Hezbollah from Lebanon (Second Lebanon War 2006). After these events, Israel imposed an economic blockade on Gaza (i.e. a list of prohibited goods + the condition that everything going into the sector must pass through Israeli customs). Due to the fact that Hamas is a Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood banned in Egypt (in the Russian Federation, by the way, too), the descendants of the pharaohs also close the border with Gaza, and then fill the tunnels leading from Sinai to Gaza with sea water, at the same time demolish the border the construction of the Egyptian part of Rafah, populated by Palestinian Arabs.
Whether it's ghetto or not is up to you to judge.

[Kurare]

Quote: professor

It's called "Knocking on the Roof". The first is a rocket or small calobra bomb on the roof as a warning sign for residents. A few minutes later, there is a bomb in the house. For your information: filmed by fylystyns.

If you remove all political, etc. aspects, the accuracy is impressive. The second bomb hit, as a controlled detonation of the building: it went to the side and dipped under itself. Just like engineering work.

[zollstab]

The ability to use equipment and its capabilities is half the success. Training is needed. It is incorrect to rely on the capabilities of shells.

[Pereira]

Or in the garden who applied.

Rather, in the garden bought.

[Shahno]

From the article I realized that they did not destroy the goals, which actually were not. Already not bad. Now, if destroyed. Well then ... There would be no article.

[donavi49]

In the photo - they were mistaken with the calculations. As a result, the bombs flew over and fell down the hill.

Yesterday I brought a link to the BMPD - where the photos and satellite data on the impact are collected.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3552224.html

[Vol4ara]

Quote: donavi49

In the photo - they were mistaken with the calculations. As a result, the bombs flew over and fell down the hill.

Yesterday I brought a link to the BMPD - where the photos and satellite data on the impact are collected.
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3552224.html

I wonder why they didn’t go along the ridge

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Shahno

From the article I realized that they did not destroy the goals, which in fact were not. Well

Did not have ? And then they considered otkedov the very "150 m miss"?

[Professor]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Did not have ? And then they considered otkedov the very "150 m miss"?

From the statements. Since there are no funnels on satellite images.

[tlauicol]

Vladimir, apparently, asks: if there were no terrorist camps, then where does the countdown come from? So the bombs fell in 150 from terrorists who, as it were, were not

[Professor]

Quote: Tlauicol

Vladimir, apparently, asks: if there were no terrorist camps, then where does the countdown come from? So the bombs fell in 150 from terrorists who, as it were, were not

The fact that the terrorist camps were reported in many sources. The fact that some of the camps are destroyed is also reported not only by Indians. The rest is speculation.

Quote: XXXIII

Quote: professor

From the statements. Since there are no funnels on satellite images.

Professor are you bogged down in evidence?

Yeah. I require satellite images like these.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Tlauicol

So the bombs fell in 150m from terrorists, which, as it were not

You hit the spot!

[XXXIII]

Quote: professor

From the statements. Since there are no funnels on satellite images.

Professor are you bogged down in evidence?

[alexmach]

Since there are no funnels on satellite images.

Yes, I confirm that nothing is visible in Google Erz!

[kolkulon]

Slid down the hill ....

[aszzz888]

Recall that earlier in the Indian press published information on the use of the Indian Air Force Israeli bombs SPICE-2000.

Indians knew what they were buying ...

[RuslanNN]

Give the Indians a billiard ball - or break, or lose. And all this is for dancing.

[XXXIII]

Quote: RuslanNN

Give the Indians a billiard ball - or break, or lose. And all this is for dancing.

It doesn’t matter anymore, India pays money and dances and wants her to shoot everything as they need. This is the most important condition of the Indian customer, and some participants in the military-industrial complex have a chance to give what India needs, to make money ....

[Interlocutor]

I looked at the mustache of the Indian, and I thought .... Well, he could not get it for sure)))))). Introduced a picture of a mustache, eyes covering .....)))

[XXXIII]

Recall that earlier in the Indian press published information about the use of Indian Air Force Indian bombs SPICE-2000.

Defective caught apparently, but this is not surprising, many thanks to the Israeli military-industrial complex from the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation ....

[Shahno]

Hint that you’ve agreed all the same. And by jeepsi redirected to the forest. In exchange for Iranian bases ..

[Strashila]

Strange, or the Indians didn’t have the right bees ..., i.e. bombs or about jambs jammed in this weapon, not everything is known. 150 meters, I think free-falling bombs a bunch for a petache would have been more accurate.
about what was written earlier about this weapon.
"The SPICE kits use modern techniques of navigation, guidance and homing in order to achieve accurate and effective destruction of critical enemy targets with a circular probable deviation (CEP) of three meters. The automatic target acquisition system of the SPICE kit uses a unique correlation homing technology using a reference comparison system and real terrain display (scene comparison), which is able to recognize the distinctive features of the terrain, countermeasures, navigation errors and errors in determining the coordinates of the target. "
Obviously somewhere a jamb, the developers did not take into account the possibility of application in a mountainous wooded area ...?

[alexmach]

I think free-falling bombs a bunch of petas would have been more accurate.

Yeah .. maybe, or maybe not, just to check it would be necessary to go over them with the target. In the territory of Pakistan. How many Indian planes would then be shot down? And how many posthumous heroes would appear in India?

[Livonetc]

That's right.
And here on the topic of Israel hacked.
Well, they know how to vtyuhivat.
This cannot be taken away from them.
Suffered in fact a small fiasco.
More interesting will be the conclusions that India will actually make.

[The poor man]

Poor Indians fight. They are ruining equipment, ammunition is being wasted. Probably not enough experience, the training is not the same. It is necessary to invite Indians more often to practice in hot spots in the world. There are a lot of them, they are not sorry.

[ender]

it is funny that at the first mention of the possible use of Israeli bombs, the comments were as follows: -

hrych (Hrych) February 26, 2019 19:57

+14
And what are you throwing the same Israeli bullshit to me? The same stupid assumptions supposedly could use this bullshit, but could not use wassat Where are the statements of the military leaders? Where are the Indian military experts? Where did the Pakistanis find the wreckage? Such rubbish, obviously shoved by you, should not be published on such a reputable site as VO.

and since they missed, then everything immediately normalized

[Shahno]

Yeah. Missed, missed. Glory to the Indo-Pakistani friendship.

[vvp2412]

Jews Indians superseded ...

[PPD]

Quote-

Australian Institute of Strategic Policy published satellite imagery,

Simply put, just blah blah blah. Where did the pictures come from-google-planet? And how closely unknown "experts" are following the unknown base of unknown militants, it is not known where (although not somewhere in Kashmir).
You need to understand life. Yes, exactly 150 meters, and more precisely, one 148 meters, another 151 meters from an unknown number of bombs dropped from an unknown number of bombers that hit, not the total number of aircraft.
Native Australian spy satellite reported.
The usual stuffing is something to discuss here.

[bmv04636]

when they present the same pictures, but our partners from Israel, where we allegedly missed, then all believe buzzing, when back, then immediately a lot of doubts are not funny for you yourself

[Hey]

I would not be surprised if the so-called "bookmarks" worked.

[Mountain shooter]

The curvature of Indian pilots or the "quality" of weapons exported to Gypsies? Serious question! Are Jews exporting substandard weapons? It's a homing bomb!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It's the same homing bombs!

Yeah ... yes, do not be afraid of this grenade! She's tame!

[meandr51]

Quote: professor

It's called "Knocking on the Roof". The first is a rocket or small calobra bomb on the roof as a warning sign for residents. A few minutes later, there is a bomb in the house

On the first video, the difference between hits is 15 sec., On the second 1 min. This is not a warning, but a mockery. And why did not Israel arrange residential buildings?

[Shahno]

Quote: meandr51

Quote: professor

It's called "Knocking on the Roof". The first is a rocket or small calobra bomb on the roof as a warning sign for residents. A few minutes later, there is a bomb in the house

On the first video, the difference between hits is 15 sec., On the second 1 min. This is not a warning, but a mockery. And why did not Israel arrange residential buildings?

This is a warning to the harem ...

[alexmach]

This is not a warning, but a mockery

Enough for a short prayer :)

[irazum]

Aryans have crooked hands or not, I can’t judge, but it’s very hard to believe that Israel is selling “bullshit”. Most likely, the initially incorrect data was laid.

[Berkut24]

Any war is accompanied by advertising. For some, anti-advertising.

[Boomandroid]

and here’s a reference to YouTube, about which I spoke above

[Operator]

Thu - there you have it, an Indian grandmother, and Israeli Spice with accuracy plus or minus bast shoes (wherever she gets, there is a Palestinian / Kashmiri terrorist camp)

[Simferopol]

Israeli trash. Laser Guided Ahahaha

[Slon379]

That threw Israel !!!! Bombs hit, only the detonators were on hold, rolled down the slope and exploded just below.

[Maz]

Quote: voyaka uh

Yes. It seems that the error crept in due to the total height or top of the ridge on which the targets were located. Bombs gently flew over the ridge at a low altitude and exploded on a distant slope. Overflights.
I think the slip was possible to avoid. The bomb has a comp chip. In which before launch there is an opportunity to amend.
Will be taken into account next time. In our flat areas, these Spice-2000s were used in Gaza, and they demolished buildings very carefully.

"We have a flat area" and the Merkava miracle tank. :) Given full control from the air and space. It turns out that only in ideal conditions a spice superweapon? Oi-wei, I recognize familiar faces, habits and irresistible charisma. Poor Indians. Wrong Russian missiles of an obsolete model demolish modernized f-16s, and superbonbs are smeared due to the lack of pre-introduced corrections, the UAV hanging in the air, and the lack of target illumination from the ground and uneven target coordinates? Is it too much if for the weapons of the 21st century Messrs. Israelis? Well, educate me brilliant fellow countrymen at the place of residence.

[Maz]

Quote: Strashila

Strange, or the Indians didn’t have the right bees ..., i.e. bombs or about jambs jammed in this weapon, not everything is known. 150 meters, I think free-falling bombs a bunch for a petache would have been more accurate.
about what was written earlier about this weapon.
"The SPICE kits use modern techniques of navigation, guidance and homing in order to achieve accurate and effective destruction of critical enemy targets with a circular probable deviation (CEP) of three meters. The automatic target acquisition system of the SPICE kit uses a unique correlation homing technology using a reference comparison system and real terrain display (scene comparison), which is able to recognize the distinctive features of the terrain, countermeasures, navigation errors and errors in determining the coordinates of the target. "
Obviously somewhere a jamb, the developers did not take into account the possibility of application in a mountainous wooded area ...?

And where does the mountainous woodland come from? Voyaka specifically said "there were no problems in the gas" ....

[Sasha_rulevoy]

All three missiles deflected in the same direction, at the same distance. Which suggests that the guidance system worked correctly. There may be a mistake in the topographic location. Or, what seems more likely to me, the Americans at the last moment found out somehow about India’s intention and distorted the RPS signal. What a common practice. The Russian military in Syria also complained that they could not use the ZhPS for guidance.

[dakty]

"Judging by these data, the bombs" did not reach "at least 150 m to the targets indicated by the Indian military"

You are all arguing about "flying", but in the article about "undershooting" ...

[haham]

"In Pakistan, they collected fragments of aircraft munitions and confirmed that it is indeed SPICE-2000."
This is one of the first modifications and has been in service in Israel since 2003. And sold to India.
Currently, the second generation SPICE-1000 with a range of 100 km is used and images of 100 targets can be stored in the memory of the bomb and the crew of the carrier aircraft can redirect the UAE in the air. What is clear NO in Indian aircraft. The third generation which is SPICE-250 (has already passed the combat test)
"The pilot enters the target image into the homing head before dropping, which is more rational in contrast to GPS homing systems, which can be subject to various interference during a battle.
Fighter F-16 has four such bomb racks with total load of 16 bombs; on board the F-15 aircraft, the load is 28 units. weapons. Previously, such a load was only on strategic bombers, but currently it is available on multi-role fighters. The bomber holder provides the operation of weapon interfaces, including making navigational corrections in the middle part of the flight, correction based on updated target position data, and selective target designation. A large number of bombs dropped complicates the operation of radar systems. All these circumstances will significantly complicate the work of air defense. The SPICE-250 bomb quadruples the strike capabilities of conventional fighters. "
Source: http://nevskii-bastion.ru/spice-250-israel/ MTC "NEVSKY BASTION" AVKarpenko
According to this, before you make the MATERIAL conclusions, PLEASE teach the mat part.

[Mentat]

Quote: Spade

bombs "did not reach" at least 150 m.

So what? For ZhPS + ANN it is quite normal. This is reality, not advertising murzil.

You seem to position yourself as a specialist, and bear complete nonsense. A pair of shekels dripped onto an electronic wallet or how to understand the nonsense that you wrote?

1. The positioning accuracy of the civilian version of jeepies is 5-8 meters, the wide practical use of navigators leaves no room for lies and speculation.
2. SPICE - precision weapons, nominally.

The strangeness of the situation lies in this - expensive ammunition, declared as high-precision, loudly called "S-300 killers", in real use completely miss the target. This is a blow of enormous power to the export capabilities of this product. What really happened there, you need to understand the manufacturer and publish a detailed report. However, the application took place, the ammunition did not hit anywhere repeatedly.

[Govorun]

This only proves once again that any (possibly) suitable thing, in the hands of a muddlehead, turns into not suitable, and the point is not in the Israeli SPICE-2000, but only in the hands of those who use it, just as "our" Syrians profited our equipment at once, as well as about the Pakistani F 16 shot down by our R 73 missile (if I'm not mistaken), you still need to understand the pilot's level of this F 16, and not jump for joy that the Soviet technology of the last century shot down a more modern aircraft.

[gurzuf]

Quote: professor

Your allies bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

When they were our allies, your parents were in the ranks of our Red Army.

[bang bang]

great Australian experts ....... a kangaroo?

[geologist]

With these navigators one hassle. I remember in 2007 I decided to make my life easier and tie 12 km of power lines in the mountains with a garmin navigator. First I chose a 3km reference section between the hills, ran with a jeepies, and then checked the measurements with a tape measure. The discrepancies were from 3 to 36m and did not yield to any logic. It did not work out to calculate the systematic error. I had to do a normal survey in the Stalinist system of 42 years with an electronic total station.

[Woldemar]

Now Pakistanis claim that Idus bombed an empty spot in the forest, and not a training camp, makes sense

[geologist]

Our planet has a shape that is different from the ideal geometric figure, and therefore maps of different areas were shot using different models of the so-called geoid. In the USSR there was a Krasovsky ellipsoid, and in America the theoretical forms of the Earth are different for individual states. The error of reducing coordinate systems in different places may well reach 150m, especially in the mountains.

[jurijsv]

Gypsies are gypsies. Probably before launch, ammunition was decorated with flowers and went too far with the amount. Aerodynamics failed

[Skifotavr]

If it’s true, then it is noteworthy that all the bombs fairly evenly deviated from the target. It is quite possible that the Americans had a hand in this, who, when conducting combat operations, must make sure that someone’s GPS does not work correctly or doesn’t work at all. In addition, there is a mountainous terrain, which also could have contributed, further increasing the deviation from the goals. And by the way, if the Indians planned to strike on the Google Maps map, then they probably did not take into account that the satellite does not take pictures strictly perpendicular, but at an angle from its orbit, and therefore linking the coordinates of the highlands from there is fraught with surprises.