TsNIItochmash: The new "Boa" pistol was not created to replace the "PM"

The newest Udal pistol developed by TsNIItochmash was not created to replace the Makarov pistol (PM), they have completely different tasks, said Albert Bakov, the institute's general director, TASS reports.

Bakov explained that "Boa" and PM are completely different pistols designed to solve different problems. According to him, "PM" is weapon "peaceful" time, designed to serve in the dress or patrol the streets, and "Boa" - a combat pistol with powerful destructive characteristics.

He noted that the "Boa" was created taking into account the requirements of the Ministry of Defense and all the conditions of the military were fulfilled. Despite the fact that the new gun fully complies with all requirements, the decision to completely replace the PM with "Boa" can be made only by the Russian military department.

Earlier it was reported that TsNIItochmash completed state tests of a new gun "Boa" caliber 9 mm. The gun was created for the Russian army and is recommended for adoption. It was also stated that the new pistol was created to replace the PM in the army.

The self-loading pistol "Boa" is completely domestic development. The gun uses a cartridge caliber 9x21 mm, it has developed specialized ammunition. The firing range of 50 meters, the capacity of the 18 magazine ammunition.

It is planned to release a pistol in three versions - general, special and civil.

Comments

[bessmertniy]

The intended purpose of the compared pistols is different, and the results of the application are identical - the defeat of the enemy.

[Grandfather]

this is a gas or injury other tasks.

[Cheslav Tsursky]

I agree with Bakov completely. Moreover, I will say that PM and PMM fully meet the requirements for police tasks. In peacetime, for sure. Special forces of various departments and the army, of course, need another gun. And of course, the boa constrictor is more suitable for such structures.

[Old bun]

and since we are a professional website, here is a real image of a gun

[Orkraider]

Quote: Old Bun

and since we are a professional website, here is a real image of a gun

In life, he looks good, we will wait. The entire Army, I think, is also not needed, but its individual parts are needed.
Thanks for the pictures!

[Captain45]

Quote: Old bulka

and since we are a professional website, here is a real image of a gun

Those. the pistol is available in two versions without the use of a silencer and with an extended barrel for a silencer for "specialists"?

[Orkraider]

Greetings to Cheslav!
And the machine is good

[Cheslav Tsursky]

Hi (I), it looks good. I can’t say more yet.

[Arh]

How are they waiting for a new good modern pistol (no worse, or even better than western) !!!

[bouncyhunter]

Bakov explained that the Udav and the PM are completely different pistols designed to solve different problems.

The PM is essentially a police weapon (stopping action), while the "Boa constrictor" is an army pistol (striking action).

[Doliva63]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Bakov explained that the Udav and the PM are completely different pistols designed to solve different problems.

The PM is essentially a police weapon (stopping action), while the "Boa constrictor" is an army pistol (striking action).

Pasha , and who in the army were going to hit with a pistol? The officers have full-time weapons - automatic. A pistol is a personal weapon for settling personal accounts, so to speak
Change from "specialists" AKSU for a pistol? But, in my opinion, even they still prefer a machine gun, don't they? And for officers, for me, the more compact and lighter the pistol, the better. And to be trouble-free. PM is just that. This story of replacing PM reminds me of how they are trying to shove BMPTs into the army - no one knows why, but they must!

[bouncyhunter]

Valentine, hello!

Quote: Doliva63

A pistol is a personal weapon for settling personal accounts, so to speak

There is an opinion that in the light of the improvement of submachine guns in the direction of reducing the size and weight, the pistols will die out like dinosaurs.
I do not presume to judge the "Boa", because I did not use it, but I think that it will most likely be used by special forces. A powerful and penetrating cartridge, a capacious magazine - it is the most for special operations. In addition, the 9X21 SP-10, -11 and -12 cartridges are produced only by TsNIITochMash itself and far from in gigantic quantities, which does not add mass character to the "Boa".

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: bouncyhunter

There is an opinion that in the light of the improvement of submachine guns in the direction of reducing the size and weight, the pistols will die out like dinosaurs.

Pistols are simultaneously improved and become easier. Therefore, they will not die. A submachine gun without a stock is an automatic pistol. PP is a butt and a fixed barrel, and ranges of at least 100 m for the lightest and most compact. From a pistol 10-15 meters real effective range, and up to 25 or 50 declared sighting, with which they, however, normally cope in a shooting range.

[Doliva63]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Valentine, hello!

Quote: Doliva63

A pistol is a personal weapon for settling personal accounts, so to speak

There is an opinion that in the light of the improvement of submachine guns in the direction of reducing the size and weight, the pistols will die out like dinosaurs.
I do not presume to judge the "Boa", because I did not use it, but I think that it will most likely be used by special forces. A powerful and penetrating cartridge, a capacious magazine - it is the most for special operations. In addition, the 9X21 SP-10, -11 and -12 cartridges are produced only by TsNIITochMash itself and far from in gigantic quantities, which does not add mass character to the "Boa".

Spetsnaz, probably, but again - not the army, there is a standard weapon - the head, not a gun. Still intelligence. Therefore, he drew a parallel with BMPT.

[burigaz2010]

Hello colleagues. In the last topic about PY, I was severely minuscated precisely for such a comment [quote] [/ quote]

[Wolverine]

Quote: Doliva63

Pasha, and who in the army were going to hit with a pistol? The officers have full-time weapons - automatic. A pistol is a personal weapon for settling personal accounts, so to speak

I do not agree, all soldiers must have this trunk, there are different situations and we must be prepared for them. In close combat, it’s useful not only your own, which is always small, but also the enemy would just come to hand.

[Cheslav Tsursky]

Quote: bouncyhunter

PM - essentially a police weapon (stopping action)

Hello Pasha. This essentially means knocking over and making the body incapacitated. Then one gentleman claimed that it means not to kill. Absolutely not. The main thing is to disable the criminal immediately. And then he will die later or not ... In addition, the PM bullet has a low rebound ability, which is very important for police weapons. A man, struck by a bullet with great energy with a pointed end, can still retain the ability to take action for a while. Unless, of course, they didn’t hit him in the head. Great penetration is already for army weapons ... People often talk about a pistol as a weapon of last chance. I do not fully agree with this. In skillful hands, a pistol sometimes can not leave more than one chance even to an enemy that is superior in numbers and armed with automatic weapons. Kills a man and not a gun or machine gun.

[bouncyhunter]

Cheslav, hello!

Quote: Cheslav Czursky

Absolutely not. The main thing is to disable the criminal immediately. And then he will die later or not ... In addition, the PM bullet has a low rebound ability, which is very important for police weapons. A man, struck by a bullet with great energy with a pointed end, can still retain the ability to take action for a while. Unless, of course, they didn’t hit him in the head. Great penetration is already for army weapons ...

I completely agree with what you said. For it is.

Quote: Cheslav Czursky

In skillful hands, a pistol sometimes can not leave more than one chance even to an enemy that is superior in numbers and armed with automatic weapons.

True, there is only a nuance: not everyone has skillful hands, and the preparation of a shooter from a pistol is more peculiar to special units than to ordinary units of the armed forces.

Quote: Cheslav Czursky

Kills a man and not a gun or machine gun.

But I have spoken about this more than once, but for some reason people forget about it. Without the "correct" calculation and guidance attachment, any weapon is soulless metal.

[Cheslav Tsursky]

Quote: bouncyhunter

True, there is only a nuance: not everyone has skillful hands, and the preparation of a shooter from a pistol is more peculiar to special units than to ordinary units of the armed forces.

Here's the thing with respect. If you consider the gun dismissively (this is unfortunately) like just shoot yourself, etc. the employee thereby largely deprives himself of even the last chance. You need to learn to own your weapon - sweat saves blood!

[burigaz2010]

Hello Cheslav! You didn’t seem to answer well, what for, you need such a tricked out gun, and obviously a very expensive gun. After all, there is a time-tested PM, especially since their performance characteristics are not very different !!!

[Cheslav Tsursky]

Hey. Have they asked me? Sorry if you haven't noticed. I did not hold this pistol in my hands. All. what I know is known in principle. I can only share the opinion of a couple of people "who communicated with the Boa for a little bit for information purposes" - a pick-up piece that easily returns to the aiming line when firing. I absolutely cannot agree with you on performance characteristics. A boa constrictor is heavier, if only because the size of the magazine is 18 compared to the PM 8. The cartridge is 9x21, which is heavier than that used in the PM 9x18. High power cartridge. Designed to defeat the enemy in individual protection. The cartridge was previously not widely used. It was mainly used by the FSB and I could be mistaken, but it seems also in the Ministry of Internal Affairs specials. I know for sure what were supplied for PP SR-2. Subject to reliability and reliability, of course, the Boa constrictor is an army pistol. It is clearly inappropriate to use a pistol with such a cartridge, for example, in PPS. PM is simple and unpretentious in operation, fully meeting the requirements of everyday police everyday life, I think it will still live. Still can I say that some of our design luminaries took part in the design ... At least that's what they say. I forgot my last name.

[Lamatinets]

Are you dead, and my year will retire with PM?

[Kapkan]

I do not like that there is again a notch on the shutter closer to the muzzle. It is necessary (to me) that there should be the possibility of a confident grip of the gun for this part. Like the same PL15.
By the way, PL15 what? is that all?

[Laksamana besar]

Yesterday, at the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Putin was shown submarines and a boa constrictor, saying that both are planned for arming.

[Roma 1977]

Yeah. Five pieces of each type. Normally.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Laksamana Besar

Yesterday, at the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Putin was shown submarines and a boa constrictor, saying that both are planned for arming.

In the Ministry of Internal Affairs - it is not a pity

[uporov65]

PM and I did such things in our time, but the enemy will see the "Boa" and strangle himself. I want this.

[Doliva63]

Quote: uporov65

PM and I did such things in our time, but the enemy will see the "Boa" and strangle himself. I want this.

Not big, heavy, I don’t want. And then, I did not see how he could open a bottle of beer?

[senima56]

What to tear off? Trigger guard! He will serve instead of a hammer!

[Doliva63]

Quote: senima56

What to tear off? Trigger guard! He will serve instead of a hammer!

Brace - never tried And at the expense of the hammer - that's for sure!

[Lamatinets]

My father went fishing from the PM, early in the morning, shot a carp in the water. Oh so !!!!

[Doliva63]

"..." PM "is a weapon of" peacetime "..."
Figase!

[Roma 1977]

In short, again. "Created not to replace PM, but purely to indulge." The usual thing. And "Armata" is not to replace the T-72, and the Su-57 is not to replace the Su-27, and the AK-12 is not to replace the AK-74. It is regrettable.

[Voyager]

And what a convenient position

[tranquil]

Rather forced

[Doliva63]

Quote: Roma-1977

In short, again. "Created not to replace PM, but purely to indulge." The usual thing. And "Armata" is not to replace the T-72, and the Su-57 is not to replace the Su-27, and the AK-12 is not to replace the AK-74. It is regrettable.

Why is it unfortunate? It is necessary to rejoice that our ancestors knew how to do for the idea the way they cannot for the money now!

[madrobot]

I wonder who will pull the 9x21 cartridges? Are they already in bulk in arms? Don’t tell my slippers. You can replace weapons with specialists, you can even police (although this is also problematic), but in the army ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: madrobot

I wonder who will pull the 9x21 cartridges? Are they already in bulk in arms? Don’t tell my slippers. You can replace weapons with specialists, you can even police (although this is also problematic), but in the army ...

But the troops lack tanks, planes, pilots. Brains, after all. But not pistols, noticed?

[Geonezis]

In general, this means that there is no money to replace, but you hold on. Serve another fifty years with the PM.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Geonezis

In general, this means that there is no money to replace, but you hold on. Serve another fifty years with the PM.

If the conclusion of the IHC allowed - with pleasure!

[Bambur]

Translated into Russian, the grandchildren will also serve with PM.

[Roma 1977]

I have already said to my eldest son about the Kalashnikov assault rifle: "Your grandfathers served with him, your father served with him, and you will not go anywhere!"

[Mountain shooter]

Powerful pistol. Powerful cartridge. The cartridge was still being developed for the "Vector" (Gyurza) ... The aiming range was declared at 100 m. Well, this is only for super shooters. And a powerful pistol at 50 m - well, an army version, more likely even a special forces ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Powerful pistol. Powerful cartridge. The cartridge was still being developed for the "Vector" (Gyurza) ... The aiming range was declared at 100 m. Well, this is only for super shooters. And a powerful pistol at 50 m - well, an army version, more likely even a special forces ...

Why should the army special forces have a powerful pistol, can you tell me?

[sd98]

To replace the PM, the Grach PM has already been created.

[senima56]

... and PYa and GSh-18 and SPS (SR-1) and back in 2003! But somehow they haven't "replaced" in 16 years!

[Fevralsk. Morev]

The name is clumsy.

[senima56]

Is the gun itself beautiful?

[Izotovp]

PM must be restarted with a polymer frame and modern slats and shutter. With its reliability, the demand abroad will be enormous.

[erased]

This is already there. MP-448 Skiff and its reduced version.

[Izotovp]

Thanks for the information.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Izotovp

PM must be restarted with a polymer frame and modern slats and shutter. With its reliability, the demand abroad will be enormous.

No, PM-u road to the West was closed back in the 90s. Just because of competitive advantages.

[senima56]

The pistol designer Kozlov is definitely a talented person and an interesting future awaits him. But it seems that the institute where he studied did not have the subject "Industrial Design" (or something similar)! Of the several options shown (including pictures), the most clumsy version has been "approved"! It seems that the shape of the pistol was drawn by a first grader! In 2003, the SR-18 (SPS) pistol, chambered for the same 1x9 cartridge with the same magazine capacity - 21 rounds, was adopted (together with GSh-21 and PYa). The penetrating ability of the SR-1 is not worse than the Boa constrictor. Was it worth the "fence" ?! In addition, even after 16 years, the SR-1 looks more modern than the current "Boa"!

[John22]

I completely agree. There is no final look yet. And the fact that with a silencer looks very clumsy. The angle of the handle - like PM. Where is ergonomics?

[tuts]

PM for peacetime and as a personal weapon of the highest command staff during hostilities

[erased]

Give the commander of a motorized rifle platoon this trunk and plug your ears while it responds. And if still the company and the battalion commander - it will be completely fun. This toy is needed by the FSO or FSB. Well maybe SOBR. But the army and the police are not particularly.
Just there is another cut of the dough and the lobby of the manufacturers. The boa awaits the fate of GSh-18, ПЯ, Swift and other superpieces, which never became the main ones.
The use of this trunk on the street will leave a special joy. Having pierced the body of the offender, a 9x21 cartridge bullet will still blow one or two passers-by. Although ... maybe this is the real goal of taking weapons? ..

[A fruit]

Nice!
I like. A weapon must be beautiful

[Viknt]

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

From a pistol 10-15 meters real effective range, and up to 25 or 50 declared sighting, with which they, however, normally cope in a shooting range.

Following the results of the Second World War, a survey of front-line soldiers on the combat use of weapons was conducted. Regarding pistols, the firing range was 30-50 meters! There is a practice of using PM MVD, shot in front of his own eyes and squeezed a bullet out from under his own skin on his belly, and even snorted at the same time.