Consequences of the collapse of the INF Treaty. Nigeria with a nuclear bomb?

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Reading various comments in the world media and among the analytical community about the scrapping of the INF Treaty regime by both superpowers, and especially about the retaliatory measures announced by the Russian Federation, you sometimes come across something unusual.





In general, all opinions are within the standard. The Western press mainly denounces Russia, which supposedly violated the Treaty first (that which both parties violated to one degree or another, does not fit into their media standard). There are those who are worried about the fact that now their tender carcasses will be under the gun of metal monsters from the cozy containers of our mobile launchers. At the same time, they accuse the United States (usually Trump personally) of what happened, call for dialogue and ask Russia to take the first steps towards. Apparently, you need to "disarm before the party", pay and repent, as the Americans want? In the minority are people who understand that the Treaty, by and large, Russia is not particularly needed now (we are talking about a real ins and outs, and not about a public position for world peace, which is far from "real politicians"), and that these calls in vain, and Russia will not make concessions under external pressure ever. And those who think that the extremely aggressive and stupid US policy is constantly to blame for everything, constantly provoking and hurting Russia and wondering at the “unexpected” reaction when they start to crawl out of Russia in response Tanks and rockets. And when the United States itself is in a worse place than before breaking the next pillar of the existing contractual system of the situation. As was the case with DFID, as was the case with hypersound, and as will be with the INF Treaty. The media and analysts of allied and friendly powers like China, India or Iran, as a rule, take anti-American positions.

But mind perturbed not only among analysts and journalists in Eurasia or North America. The DSRMD and its demise are discussed even in Africa, and not only in North and Arab Africa, where the aforementioned medium-range gifts can fly, and in general they are much more tied in the big game of superpowers and great powers, and in European affairs in particular. The fate of the Treaty worries even representatives of “black” Africa, in particular, to the media of one of the largest countries in Africa, Nigeria, this question has reached.

Got a curious article on the Nigerian resource This Day. It is called the US Withdrawal of the INF Treaty: The American way out and the Russian suspension of the INF Treaty: implications for Nigeria. True, the heading is a bit inaccurate: so far both parties have suspended the Treaty and warned each other about a possible withdrawal from it after six months, as is required by the Treaty.

For the most part, the material consists of a retelling for the reader of the history of the Treaty, its implementation, as well as claims arising from the parties to each other. By the way, mainly the American, the author mentioned about the Russians briefly, but quite objectively, that it was Russia that was acting in response, and not the United States, on the issue of terminating the INF. The Nigerian author is also worried about the START-3 Treaty, which ends in 2021 and may not be renewed. But the most interesting, in general, as often happens, was placed at the end of the material. How was it? "The last phrase is remembered - it was Stirlitz that he derived for himself, like mathematical proof."

We quote:
The accusations of one superpower of the other, as well as counterclaims, are nothing more than a policy that all African countries, especially Nigeria, must pay special attention to for various reasons. Strategic Arms Treaty (SALT-1 and SALT-2), Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty weapons, as well as various agreements on nuclear and non-nuclear weapons signed by the great powers and many countries of the world, are fraudulent agreements (!!!) deliberately concluded by powerful countries to create an impression on the whole world that they are very interested in maintaining international peace and security, but this is not always the case.

Considering that the truth is that when weapons become obsolete in light of the development of new systems, the great powers quickly get together and negotiate, and also sign agreements that will only destroy unnecessary weapons, but not stop the development of a new and more powerful weapons.

And, unfortunately, developing countries consciously denied the sovereign right to access to the development of nuclear potential under the pretext of their inability and ability to manage the consequences of their use. The extent to which powerful nuclear powers allow non-nuclear countries to develop their nuclear potential is limited only by peaceful use, even if the processes of developing nuclear potential for the purposes of war and peace are the same.


Further, the author refers to the fate of the INF Treaty and recalls that a conference on the operation of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons is to be held in a year and is asking the new leadership of the country what it will be like.

We quote:
In connection with all this, the question arises: where are (what is their position) Nigeria and the whole of Africa? Why should some countries assign the right to develop nuclear weapons to the detriment of others? The possibility of a third world war is no longer excluded. In the case of a new world war, where, in what camp or in what situation, will African countries end up? Will African countries be free from nuclear strikes? What is the reality and what should be the right approach to international nonproliferation policy?


The author then turns to stories, recalling that a nuclear state was already on the black continent, even if it was unofficial and extremely nuclear (the 12 bombs they had, this is not potential, of course), but nuclear is South Africa in the apartheid era. When South Africa was the strongest state in the black part of Africa, it had well-trained and motivated forces, strong defense capabilities, etc. A good military-industrial complex has been preserved even now, but only memories remain from the power of the Yuarovo army. Like nuclear weapons. Now, they say, South Africa is, like Nigeria, a consistent proponent of nuclear disarmament, but, according to the author, knowledge of how to make nuclear weapons is not forgotten there. What, in general, raises doubts - the creators of the nuclear potential of this country either died long ago, or, for the most part, left the country.

Once again, we turn to the article:

International politics is the protection of national interests through diplomacy through negotiation or "gunboat diplomacy." The country is either fighting for the right to join the nuclear-weapon states, or it assumes the role of satellites, geopolitical objects and dependents. There is no average between these two options.

Unfortunately, the current position of Nigeria is that of dependent satellites, which does not guarantee and cannot guarantee national security in the event of a new international fire. Because of Nigeria’s foreign policy towards Africa, because its economy is the largest, and the population the most populous, there is no compelling reason that the Nigerian military should not be the best in quantitative and qualitative terms. The Nigerian army must be the strongest in all areas. With regard to conventional weapons and nuclear arsenals, under no circumstances should Nigeria lag behind or be dependent. If possessing a nuclear weapon can be useful for some countries, it should also be useful for Nigeria. There should be no compelling reason to stop or hinder the scientific development of Nigeria, especially as a new cold war is being prepared. The Nigerian non-alignment policy should be largely based on armed forces capable of nuclear potential. Nigeria should strive to become a nuclear weapon state. So Nigeria can win international respect.


The "nuclear manifesto" of the future first black nuclear power! Then the author refers to examples of other nuclear powers: both the “great” powers of the “big five”, but not the superpowers of the Russian Federation and the USA, and the following nuclear countries, such as India, Pakistan or the DPRK. They say that they have acquired a nuclear missile potential, despite the opposition of the superpowers and the world community, and now they have honor and respect. In principle, the striking metamorphosis in relation to the United States to the DPRK after testing that thermonuclear munition (or with tritium amplification is not so important) and the first successful launches are very clumsy yet, but the ICBM is very revealing. In Nigeria, everyone understood. It was Kim Jong-un not understand who, an outcast, a beast in human form, who shot out of a rapid-fire howitzer, shooting from the hip, generals and former mistresses, and now a respected partner in negotiations with Donald Trump.

It should be noted that such talks about nuclear weapons are not only among journalists in Nigeria, but also among the military, and, obviously, on the sidelines of political. Nigeria is the largest economy in Africa (it is larger than the economy of South Africa, which, as we remember, is included in the BRICS), the country's population is more than a couple of tens of millions of Russia, the country produces the most oil on the continent. That is, money, in general, can be found on a military nuclear program.

The Nigerian Armed Forces have an extremely solid number for the region (and indeed for the degradants from the European part of NATO) - more than 230 thousand. In the land forces there are 8 divisions (1 tank, 4), 1 parachute and 2 amphibious, 250 tanks (NIHXXX72), NIHXX1, NKHXX, NXXX, NXXX, NXXX all sides of the world (there are Russia, and the United States, and Britain, and Ukraine, and South Africa and China are represented by their products), around 3 artillery systems and other weapons. The Air Force, however, is rather weak - the X-NUMX F-55NI and JF-30 fighters from China, the 1600 Alfa-Jet attack aircraft, the Screw Super-Tucano helmets, several dozen L-400 training machines are ordered. and MB-15, etc. The helicopter fleet includes about 7 machines, in particular, there are Russian attack helicopters Mi-17M, more than a dozen. There is also a fleet in which various patrol and rocket boats predominate, but recently two new Chinese corvettes of the Type-12 export variant have been purchased. In general, against the background of the neighbors, this army looks quite solid, trained and armed, but to the level of Middle Eastern or North African, say, armies (like Algeria) is extremely far away. However, in recent years, the country's leadership has been paying more and more attention to the re-equipment of its Armed Forces. That, in general, does not help them to cope with terrorists, inflicting occasionally offensive and painful defeats. Perhaps, before thinking about nuclear potential, would it be worthwhile for ordinary aircraft to bring it to the desired state?

There is a desire to acquire nuclear power plants - now we are talking about the construction of the first power unit by the middle of the next decade (Rosatom will design and build). The country really needs nuclear power plants, because, they say, even with gas for power plants sometimes problems arise (sabotage by terrorists from Boko-Haram, a branch of the ISIL banned in Russia), and in general the country lacks energy. The uranium deposit is also present in the country - it was discovered not so long ago by Chinese geologists in the area of ​​the city of Idomi, and it is claimed (which is not necessarily true) that there is a lot of uranium ore. However, there are other known deposits.

There is also a nuclear research potential. So, there is a research reactor in the country, supplied at one time by China, which worked on uranium of a very high, almost “bomb” level of enrichment — in excess of 90% the proportion of U235. The same reactors at one time the Chinese have sold to Iran, Syria, Ghana and Pakistan. However, last year this reactor was upgraded with a transfer to low-enriched schemes, and more than 1kg of fuel was exported to China, under the supervision and with technical assistance of specialists from Russia, the USA, China and the Czech Republic. Scientists and future nuclear engineers are studying in Russian universities (for example, in Tomsk), in China and not only there.

Theoretically, by investing certain funds, by hiring scientists and specialists from a number of countries, by providing, of course, a certain cover for this activity from ubiquitous intelligence services, a nuclear program can be implemented. For how long - it is pointless to discuss this, and it is not so important. Another thing is important - even a state that cannot cope with terrorists on its territory, which has a lot of problems and a sufficiently poor population, even then began to think about getting even a small, but nuclear club. Seeing how the system of ensuring strategic stability collapses, seeing how another “supporting column” collapses under the roof of a general security building, looking at how the US is easily prepared to step over another agreement (as a rule, having given up its leg, as a rule) - and such countries begin to think about their safety and its security. And in the end, that they, too, can act the way they want - if others can.

It is curious that the author refers to both Venezuela and the epic around it. Of course, in Nigeria’s oil, Washington’s desire to seize Venezuela’s oil reserves was keenly perceived, and they are well aware that the next self-proclaimed clown in a suit, who had studied in the US, would be black only if they wanted. There is also an understanding that if Venezuela itself is not a gift and is capable of giving it its teeth, and for it there is someone to intercede - there is Russia, there is China, if, of course, they consider the intervention necessary and receive the corresponding request of the legitimate government, But for Nigeria there may not be anyone willing, but they have a lot of oil too.

Interestingly, do Americans really want to live in peace with a dozen nuclear powers and holders? Moreover, 90% of these countries will strive to acquire the potential to reach exactly the "glittering city on the hill," as Reagan called them. Is it safer for them to live?
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  1. -8
    27 February 2019 15: 21
    The opinion of color must be taken into account. but you can’t put them into something
    1. -1
      2 March 2019 16: 18
      The treaty concerned only Russia and the United States. And what has changed - about those who already have bombs and who do not yet? Now let the "grunts" have a headachewinked
  2. +4
    27 February 2019 15: 46
    Regarding the security of their country, the thoughts of Nigerian militarists and patriots are on the right and logical path.
    The example of Fat Man turned out to be clear and contagious.
    Let's see how the Nigerians deal with this further.
    1. +3
      27 February 2019 16: 15
      As if the Nigirians did not repeat the Libyan experience with their thirst for nuclear weapons and the presence of oil. The United States will be happy. Nigeria is rich and relatively weak without the INF, with weak aviation. It’s a directly sweet bun for the United States.
      1. +4
        27 February 2019 17: 44
        The United States has never fought a country with a population of 200 million and an area of ​​under a million square kilometers (I'm talking about Nigeria), they washed with much smaller Vietnam, although they bombed it for 10 years, including hundreds of B-52s (air bombs were dropped on Vietnam more than in the entire 2 World War) and nothing - Vietnam won, in Nigeria there is also a jungle and a huge number of people (including irreconcilable Islamic fanatics in the north, who, like in Afghanistan, will never stop partisaning against the "shaitan" represented by America) So that in this battle for the victory of the United States I won't give a broken penny (it's generally impossible to defeat a state with a large, predominantly rural population - Afghanistan is a vivid example - the British have already broken all their teeth about it, the great USSR, now NATO, after 14 years of war, really nothing achieved (as they blow up the state government (and sometimes embassies) in the center of Kabul and blow up.)
        1. -6
          27 February 2019 17: 53
          With Vietnam, minds only because there were actively involved, albeit secretly, the air defense forces of the USSR and numerous vacationers. Over the entire war in Vietnam, the United States lost more than 3 thousand aircraft. There was a comic war between the US Air Force and the USSR Air Defense behind the back of the Vietnam Army. And who will help Nigeria as well? What's the difference how many people are in the country if the army is weak? In the worst case for the USA there will be a second Iraq or Afghanistan, although it is unlikely that the Nigirians have a different mentality. But the game is worth the candle there is a lot of oil. Afghanistan won The USSR is largely thanks to the help of the USA, China, Pakistan, Iran as sympathizers and instructors, and technical support.
          1. +12
            27 February 2019 18: 00
            Afghanistan defeated the USSR in many respects thanks to the help of the USA, China, Pakistan, Iran as sympathizers and instructors, as well as technical support
            Afghanistan, it turns out, defeated the USSR ?! fool
            How delirious people would not agree, just to spit in the Soviet past negative
            1. -4
              27 February 2019 18: 05
              we must admit that he was right at least by the fact that the columns left under the hooting of dushmans, and the former field commanders then took leading positions in the government of the country (Afghan - in fact, our Vietnam was, in our textbooks they liked to repeat - "the people cannot be defeated" - that's how it happened )
              1. +13
                27 February 2019 18: 14
                In a couple of years we are not like Afghanistan, we have surrendered our native country. Sami and without a fight.
                Afghanistan certainly has become political defeat of the USSR, but in no way military victory of Afghanistan.
                So the USSR never won Afghanistan, from the word "absolutely", no matter how many spooks would hoot, and how many Nobel Prizes and other buns the same Gorbachev received for all this orgy.
              2. +2
                1 March 2019 22: 53
                Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4
                "you can't defeat the people" - that's how it happened

                Western Ukraine was squeezed in the fifties, and Afghanistan would have been squeezed if they had not left. Tell the Germans, Japanese, Europeans - that supposedly people cannot be defeated - as much as possible.
            2. 0
              27 February 2019 18: 27
              Dk, by your logic, the United States defeated Vietnam? fool
              1. +3
                27 February 2019 18: 40
                And I, in general, would not compare Vietnam with Afghanistan. Any analogy suffers.
        2. 0
          27 February 2019 22: 12
          The mattresses will bomb the infrastructure, and Nigeria will not be up to nuclear weapons.
        3. -1
          1 March 2019 20: 38
          Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4
          The United States has never fought a country whose population is 200 million and an area of ​​a million square kilometers (I'm talking about Nigeria), they washed with a much smaller Vietnam

          not winning territory and not the size of the army
          victory goes to those who have a stronger spirit, more intelligence and luck does not interfere.
          compared blacks and Vietnamese. where Nigeria is to Vietnam.
          1. 0
            1 March 2019 20: 57
            Following your logic (that the size of the population and territory do not matter), we will lose the war against NATO - they only have to promise that after the overthrow of the oligarchy in Russia, the country will be admitted to the EU and receive the appropriate standard of living, half will go to war right away for the invaders then (I climb on the forums, I read what the young people write (and by the way serve them, and not for the elderly), the future generation will be piled up with brainwashed, they will go after anyone, just against Putin.
            1. 0
              1 March 2019 21: 29
              Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4
              then we will lose the war against NATO - they only have to promise that after the overthrow of the oligarchy in Russia, the country will be admitted to the EU and will receive an appropriate standard of living, then half will immediately go to war for the invaders then

              if this happens, if there is no core / spirit among the people, then yes. you lose.
              although I personally do not think that this is real.

              By the way, if you think that young people will spread to the side of the invaders, then maybe you should try to understand why and even out somehow?
              1. +1
                1 March 2019 22: 56
                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                By the way, if you think that young people will spread to the side of the invaders

                But you do not equal your youth with ours. Our youth is fighting in Syria in a completely contact way, unlike your cowards.
                1. 0
                  2 March 2019 08: 35
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  But you do not equal your youth with ours.

                  I relate to the statement Nikolai Ivanov_4
                  Quote: KaPToC
                  if we lose the war against NATO, they only have to promise that after the overthrow of the oligarchy in Russia, the country will be admitted to the EU and will receive an appropriate standard of living, half will immediately go to war for the invaders

                  read carefully before blaming
            2. +1
              1 March 2019 22: 55
              Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_4
              Following your logic (that the number of people and territory do not matter), then we will lose the war against NATO - they only have to promise

              Yes, who will believe in their promises. First, let us learn to fulfill our promises.
  3. +12
    27 February 2019 16: 07
    Nigerians, as far as I know, are still racists. But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that the world is crumbling. From the moment when the Americans and the British, having taken no more action, took the money from Venezuela, the last bond of the capitalist world - property - collapsed. In matters of property, this world has always been extremely cautious, and every movement in this matter has been weighed according to the granule, by the atom. Yes, stolen money is not private, but ...
    In general, in this new world there are no longer any laws, except for the old, half-forgotten, as it were, but still unshakable - the law of power. The only way to somehow limit the grasping reflex of some "international players" is to hit the grabs with all your might. Really powerful weapons, namely nuclear ones, are best suited for this.
    Everyone in the world has long understood this. But they lived like that, endured, rushed through, agreed ... And now it’s locked. I think Nigeria will still get the bomb. And others too. It became very scary in the world, it was not for nothing that everyone tried to at least somehow limit the application of the old-old law. But only he is very strong - the law of power.
    1. +5
      27 February 2019 17: 20
      Quote: Mikhail3
      The main thing is that the world is crumbling. From the moment when the Americans and the British, having taken no more action, took the money from Venezuela, the last bond of the capitalist world - property - collapsed.

      From memory, about $ 80 billion owned by Iran remained frozen in accounts in US banks in the United States. After the signing of the JCPOA, the money was never returned to Iran, since it was not the sanctions of the UN Security Council, but exclusively illegal unilateral American sanctions.
      1. 0
        28 February 2019 12: 47
        Even this money, in spite of everything, was not taken away but “frozen”. Like they are still yours, we just don't give them to you. That is, there is still room for maneuver, and considerable. And in the case of Venezuela, just a robbery, not covered in any way ...
  4. -3
    27 February 2019 16: 30
    Nigeria needs 3 good things: good air defense, good morale of the armed forces, and some kind of nuclear weapons.
    Then the golovnyakov will increase - not with us, but with the States.
    And then the "bun" for the United States will not be sweet at all.
    1. +1
      27 February 2019 17: 59
      It will not be sweeter to say halva in your mouth many times. You can say a lot of what you need, but things are still there. Everything needs time and money. And so if mushrooms had grown in your mouth. You really need to look at things.
      1. -3
        27 February 2019 19: 00
        Well duck ...
        Eun somehow made chat ... some take a closer look - as it happens.
        And there who has how much - mind, gold. And one place - so as not to press bench.
        1. +1
          1 March 2019 22: 58
          Quote: Carpenter 2329
          Eun somehow made chat ... some take a closer look - as it happens.

          So Nigeria, let it first make an army for itself like that of Un, and then it talks about nuclear weapons.
  5. +4
    27 February 2019 16: 55
    Hmm .. how not to remember: A woman with a cat is resting on the balcony. Suddenly a fairy flies in and says that she will fulfill all desires. The woman says: - Make me a beautiful blonde! It has come true. - Make my cat a handsome guy. He turned. The guy says: - Now you regret that I was castrated?
  6. +3
    27 February 2019 18: 48
    Why did the author call Super-Tucano a "pseudo-stormtrooper"? Snobbery?
    1. 0
      27 February 2019 19: 03
      This is a "director's find"!
      wink
    2. 0
      28 February 2019 07: 18
      This is a hint that the toucan class is practically the same agricultural "maize" only with light armor from a bullet caliber and with the ability to carry outboard weapons. Most of all for the war between the "baobab principalities", but for nuclear weapons, of which the Nigerian author dreams, carriers are needed much more serious than training aircraft with a frying pan under the pilot's ass instead of armor.
      1. 0
        28 February 2019 08: 11
        It may very well be. It is embarrassing that drone was treated with the same disdain. And then we ended up in catching up.
        If you just compare the characteristics - why is an attack helicopter (like Ka or Mi) better than a turboprop attack aircraft? Not specifically Tukano, but in general? The cons are understandable: it is more expensive, more complicated, they will be (for the same money) less, less tenacious (the plane can even plan, the helicopter immediately falls), it requires a more qualified pilot. In armament - the same missiles, guns. the bombs. Or is the reason for the contemptuous attitude that we do not have them, and (even the Papuans) have them?
        1. +1
          28 February 2019 08: 18
          And where will we adapt this toucan class, for what purposes? We have UTS, we do not need to storm the coca plantations, against the "sworn partners" only make the slippers laugh ...
          1. 0
            28 February 2019 08: 27
            Support infantry and tanks with fire. Shoot down drones and helicopters. Specifically, Tucano has the same ATGMs, unguided missiles, air-to-air missiles, etc. That's why I asked why he is worse than attack helicopters. From the point of view of an infantryman - let there be a dozen of his "toucan" over his head than one (for expensive) helicopter that has no analogues (but somewhere out there). And at least to drive irregular formations.
            1. +2
              28 February 2019 08: 37
              The whole question is not the cheapness of the aircraft, but the survival of the pilot. Only one-time suicide bombers can storm the cutting edge of the modern front on a toucan. This is a special counter-guerrilla class, and accordingly its tactical tasks are a cheap fight against the "Papuans", not tanks. There is no place for him in a battlefield oversaturated with air defense weapons.
              And the helicopter has just more chances to survive at the forefront, especially in ambush tactics.
              1. 0
                28 February 2019 09: 07
                Cheap aircraft is just very important. Otherwise, ground forces will be without support = big losses. The modern cutting edge of equals in a high-tech war - there are all one-time suicide bombers, and tankers, and pilots, and foot soldiers. The fight against irregular troops is also not the last thing. Is helicopter survivability better? When shooting the blades and the engine? The plane can even plan. And ambush tactics (except for commercials) are not particularly visible. Neither in Syria, nor in Iraq. Everywhere tactics - ran up, hit, fled. If you hang ceramics, composites, titanium - the survivability of the aircraft (IMHO) will be even higher.
                You see, I'm just trying to understand where there is advertising and PR, and where is an attempt to mask the failures and slowness in armament. How many hoots were addressed to drones? Stealth? The soldier’s electronics? Protected Trucks and Jeeps (MCI)? The list goes on. And what is the result? We are trying to catch up with everything.
                1. +2
                  28 February 2019 09: 19
                  So it is necessary to develop unmanned technology, including to replace light attack aircraft. Embed AI elements in a digital battlefield, etc. I agree. To train one qualified pilot is very expensive and long, not to mention the value of human life itself.
                  And about advertising and PR ... as recently as yesterday I watched "The Great Space Travel" ... people believed in the possibility of space flights by the age of 2000 and a lot of what they dreamed about then, now either has already been realized, or so. So that...
                  Quote: CF Caucasian captive
                  Let's drink to ensure that our desires coincide with our capabilities!
                  )))
                  1. +1
                    1 March 2019 23: 07
                    Quote: g1washntwn
                    And about advertising and PR ... as recently as yesterday I watched "The Great Space Travel" ... people believed in the possibility of space flights by 2000

                    Amazing yes! One hundred years ago, people believed in flying to the stars, now they do not believe in flying to the moon.
                    1. +1
                      4 March 2019 12: 48
                      According to NASA statistics, 40% of all space launches are recognized as successful. According to them, the American Lunar program worked under the technological conditions of those years with an efficiency of 99-100%. Have the right to doubt who will forbid them? And we will see and evaluate de facto for today.
        2. +1
          1 March 2019 23: 02
          Quote: Wilderness
          Why is an attack helicopter (like Ka or Mi) better than a turboprop attack aircraft?

          Many are better. The armor is higher, more weapons, the ability to hang and hide in the folds of the terrain, less demanding on the landing sites.
          Quote: Wilderness
          Or is the reason for the contemptuous attitude that we do not have them, and (even the Papuans) have them?

          We have more advanced attack aircraft, why do we need such a primitive?
          1. 0
            1 March 2019 23: 31
            So nothing prevents the armor and hang on a turboprop attack aircraft (the effect will be even better).
            The assortment of weapons is the same. Range / speed / altitude - the plane wins.
            The runway - a sufficiently primed primer is enough for the aircraft (the conversation is not specifically about Tucano, but in general).
            Tactics of application - and here it is interesting. It hangs and hides behind the folds of the terrain only in commercials, propaganda. All military videos (Syria, Iraq, etc.) show the same thing - flew up, cacked and flew away (left for a new run).
            More advanced attack aircraft unfortunately cost more.
            I’m writing this not because I like it, but it’s not for example ... Given the increasing global demand for such equipment (albeit from the last century), our military-industrial complex pretends that these markets are not of interest to it. Will you have to catch up later? And will the demand for traditional helicopters fall?
            1. +1
              2 March 2019 00: 29
              Quote: Wilderness
              So nothing prevents the armor and hang on a turboprop attack aircraft (the effect will be even better).

              So why not hung? Because there will be such an aircraft with hippo maneuverability.
              Quote: Wilderness
              The assortment of weapons is the same.

              There are no questions about what is in service - whether the aircraft or the helicopter will be armed.
              Quote: Wilderness
              Range / speed / altitude - the plane wins.

              I note that the attack aircraft loses according to these parameters to fighters, bombers and interceptors. The attack aircraft do not need range-speed-altitude.
              Quote: Wilderness
              Runway - enough rolled primer for the plane

              Five hundred to seven hundred meters, the helicopter needs much more modest sites.
              Quote: Wilderness
              In the presence of increasing global demand for such equipment

              Yes, there is no such demand. Aircraft of the "Tucano" type perform police functions - fighting against non-combatants. This is their niche; they have no place on the modern battlefield.
              1. +1
                2 March 2019 08: 27
                His cabin is protected (Kevlar). With add. titan - I don’t think he will become a hippo. And the conversation is about a specially designed (and not redone from TCB).
                Of course, he cannot compare with a jet aircraft. Compare with helicopters. Just an article here recently was about the high cost of the Mi-28. Without range and speed, you can’t get anywhere, without height, you can bear the loss of everything that can shoot.
                Five hundred - seven hundred, but the usual rolled primer. A helicopter needs plates, or something else, because it blows the soil out from under it.
                You mean of course different gangs, irregular parts. not under whose flag (non-combatants - not at war, fighting with them is a war crime)? So all the armies are now fighting with them, how many Mi, Su, Apache different, etc. in the war with them is already lost.
                1. +1
                  2 March 2019 12: 57
                  Quote: Wilderness
                  You mean of course different gangs, irregular parts. not under whose flag (non-combatants - not at war, fighting with them is a war crime)?

                  Non-combatants do not have heavy weapons, they can be shot from civilian helicopters and aircraft. Or with such an ersatz aviation as "toucan". Or from drones.
                  Quote: Wilderness
                  Just an article here recently was about the high cost of the Mi-28.

                  Actually, the Tucano is not a cheap car.
                  Quote: Wilderness
                  With add. titan - I don’t think he will become a hippo.

                  His hippo will be directly proportional to security.
  7. +1
    27 February 2019 21: 55
    Moreover, 90% of these countries will strive to acquire the potential to reach exactly the "sparkling city on the hill"


    The United States is behind a big puddle and on "its continent" America will not allow anyone to have nuclear weapons, they will bomb any state located there only with one attempt to create one. And what will happen to the rest of the world does not bother them at all as a complete nation of egoists.
    At the moment, there is only one country that can reach the sparkling city and this is Russia.
    Whatever they say, but the United States is able to raze all other countries to the ground without receiving serious damage.
  8. +2
    28 February 2019 01: 06
    IMHO: the non-proliferation treaty benefits the United States, but not Russia. In a world where many countries will have nuclear batons, Americans will have to remember diplomacy. Because you can’t invade any country just like that, did not get bo-bo.
    In general, Russia needs to offer all those interested to rent a dozen other nuclear yielding batons with delivery vehicles.
  9. 0
    28 February 2019 06: 13
    The gradual spread of nuclear weapons around the world is a non-alternative prospect (due to the simplification of technologies). And the main accomplice of this ... NPT! By virtue of its open discrimination.
    No self-respecting power that has the opportunity to acquire nuclear weapons will not abide by its humiliating conditions. Thus, countries with a bomb will appear more and more, but without any obligations.
    The only way out is Nazarbayev’s initiative: a renegotiation of the NPT with the recognition of the actual nuclear powers and the imposition of non-proliferation obligations on them.
    1. +1
      28 February 2019 07: 28
      For today
      Quote: WiKi
      The parties to the treaty are almost all independent states of the world, with the exception of Israel, India, Pakistan, North Korea and South Sudan.

      There, and I agree with what was written, 40 states can create nuclear weapons right now, but while the IAEA controls the uranium enrichment process, they can create a "dirty bomb" by force. Nigeria, by the way, is also a party to this treaty, so the dreams on the Nigerian portal are not so much about a nuclear confrontation between the largest players as wet dreams of being worthy of the DPRK or Israel. Like, are we red?
  10. +1
    28 February 2019 16: 12
    how exactly are nigra rappers going to create nuclear weapons? "black panther" reviewed?
    where do they get technology and industry from?
    Nigeria - nuclear power, ruin-conquerors of the moon, Mongols - colonizers of Mars
  11. 0
    28 February 2019 19: 09
    I remember a few years ago, there was a little hype in the States, there some Nigerian swindlers funneled a bunch of businessmen with "letters of happiness", well, just like Chechens with an advice note at one time. And in Russia, Nigerian students since the 90s are known as drug dealers. In general, they are crooks. That seems to be all offhand that I remembered about Nigeria.
  12. 0
    1 March 2019 19: 31
    You can do nuclear weapons am - do it !!! good
  13. 0
    3 March 2019 21: 31
    And Africa is getting closer to House No. 6.