In India, announced the development of a fifth-generation aircraft AMCA

Indian developers have decided to show that experts doubtlessly doubt the “correctness” of the authorities' refusal to create the fifth generation FGFA fighter jointly with Russia. Recall that India withdrew from this project, stating that the Russian Su-57 does not comply with the parameters of the fifth generation. Now in the Indian media there is a statement by representatives of the defense industry, which state the readiness to create a new generation fighter.

Developments are engaged experts of the Agency for the development of aeronautics (ADA). The project itself "improved combat aircraft of the middle class" is called AMCA. The material indicates the date of creation of the Indian fighter of a new generation.

From the material in the media of India:

Two Next Generation Technology Demonstrators (NGTD) Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft are expected aviation (AMCA) will make its first flight by 2032.

Information on the use of stealth technology has been added, as well as the fact that initially GE-414 engines will be installed on airplanes.

ADA Representative:

And after we develop our own engines, we will start to install them on the latest fighters for the Indian Air Force.

It is noted that the Indian aircraft of the new generation is being developed in such a way that (this is a quote) “its geometry would allow an additional increase in secrecy for the enemy”. Due to the "geometric features" the surface of the aircraft will allow "to deflect and scatter radar waves, minimizing its radar glow."

Also noted the possibility of using special stealth materials. From India, these technologies are not reported.

Comments

[Pivot]

Well, they also designed their own tank, but the plane is not a tank.

[bouncyhunter]

I thought the same thing!
The tank turned out to be too heavy, by analogy, and the plane will not take off? This is alarming:

Also noted the possibility of using special stealth materials. From India, these technologies are not reported.

Did some kind Uncle Sam decide to pry?

[Spartanez300]

The attempt is not torture, let's see what happens.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Spartanez300

let's see what happens

If the development is really independent, the next "zilch" will come out. But if abroad helps them ...

[Pivot]

Here, abroad will not help, they will not be able to assemble all the elements of the puzzle too difficult for them. This is not because they are stupid, they just think differently.

[maxim947]

Hindus - as the saying goes:
- avaricious pays twice, stupid three times, goof all his life ..

[Pivot]

Well, you can safely change a sucker to an Indian.

[maxim947]

About that and speech ..

[poquello]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Quote: Spartanez300

let's see what happens

If the development is really independent, the next "zilch" will come out. ...

Pash, but it’s all the same interesting that they will succeed.

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: poquello

still wondering what they will do

I would not be surprised if in a couple of years (or even earlier) the Indians themselves curtail this program. So we may not see the result at all.

[poquello]

and a negative result is still a result

[Alexanast]

Pasha, hi!
No ... what they will not succeed ...
It is impossible to take and do something from scratch.
Even if they begin to help, which is very doubtful ...

[self-propelled]

Quote: Spartanez300

The attempt is not torture, let's see what happens.

exactly. only his Tejas never became his. are still rushing to the Americans for the F-16, then to the French for the Rafal with varying success and corruption scandals.
a simple example is China, which without hesitation "copied and pasted" everything it could reach. even created a clone of the Su-27/33. and all the same with engines somehow does not work out very well. undoubtedly, over time, and the engines will learn to do at the level. but how long did China spend on all this? India is only at the beginning of this journey.

[nathanael]

Not that case. Trying such a budget for 15 years (at least) is awesome ...

[rocket757]

Hi Pash

Quote: bouncyhunter

The tank turned out to be too heavy, by analogy, and the plane will not take off

If it's good to shamanize, motivate, even a tank can fly!
On turns, the truth will be entered, it’s too heavy .... again, he tries to fall into a tailspin.
It's nothing, they will dance the song and he will even himself!

[bouncyhunter]

Victor, salute!

Quote: rocket757

If it's good to shamanize, motivate, even a tank can fly!

Yeah, like in that joke about crocodiles that fly, but "nizEnko-nizEnko".

Quote: rocket757

It's nothing, they will dance the song and he will even himself!

Again "Jimi-jimi, acha-acha" ...

[rocket757]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Again "Jimi-jimi, acha-acha" ..

Oh, Jimi-jimi I remember .... I hardly watched it, but heard-a-al!
We always do this to the maximum! Italians, then Indians, then heavy metal from every window!

[17085]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Did some kind Uncle Sam decide to pry?

And they will make it out of wood and paper

[yustas]

Well, why immediately Uncle Sam, maybe just burn some grass in the temple and all of the stealth technology is available

[Borik]

Here is the news, the Indians decided to build a plane, and not just what it was of the 5th generation. A commendable solution is that only 100 years will be needed to implement this plan. And what then did they leave our project?

[crest]

China is probably rolling on the floor with laughter now. They have a wild shortage of aircraft in the Air Force, and they climbed into the fifth. AL-31F for a start would be finished to an acceptable level. Tejas is not at its best, and they want to jump over a generation. I don’t think that the Americans will give them the best practices, India is not Israel. If India chooses an American aircraft carrier, then the Super Hornet will most likely be offered to them and they will not be given key technologies, let alone engines.
Perhaps the Americans will help them create a budget version of the five, but no one will give them a full version, this is a lot of money.
For any reason, the Indians turned away from us in vain. Up to five still cut as to the sky, but now it is necessary to arm the Air Force with something and better than our "Dryers" and MiGs in terms of cost and efficiency in the generation 4 ++ can not be found.
The Chinese bought from us about 30 MiG-31 and a hundred engines for them. If they master it, the Hindus will have a hard time (although of course it is better not to sell such airplanes, who knows, in the future, China will not be our friend either).

[Aqela]

At this stage of technology development "budget version of the 5th generation aircraft" sounds exactly like "budget-friendly version of the supercomputer Cray". Those. from the realm of fiction or forecast "what will be there in half a century".
Also release your plane without possession key technologies something reminiscent of a screwdriver car assembly. The quality and volume of such a step certainly raises serious doubts, taking into account the progress "epic opupey Fu-35"...
The fact of development is also amusing. here is the wunderwafer with the promise of the first full-scale tests through won over. As Khoja Nasreddin used to say, "either the donkey dies, or the sultan dies." During this time, more than one government will have time to change. What? Democracy !!! New times are new challenges. Moreover, it will soon be that "so minuets no longer dance" и "double-breasted uniforms are no longer in vogue"

[VSrostagro]

The new plane will be taught to dance and "shoot with your eyes" without fail.

[Chess knight]

The enemy should not be underestimated. India is in 8th place in 2018 in terms of economy (we are in 11th place), now they are buying up weapons from all over the world and most importantly they are using it. What will happen next ? Buy minds, pay money for it? Maybe yes and attach it with cheap labor (cheaper than in China today). Well, the fact that they have a production program at home is understandable, right? everything is adjusted!
Economic Forecast (Official) for 2030 - India 3 is the world's economy!

[Aqela]

According to official forecasts, the destroyers of the Zamvolt series were to be equipped with Gauss ... According to official forecasts, the carrier rocket from Elon Musk should have been delivering commercial satellites (and not electric vehicles) into orbit for several years now ... In the 80s the Americans swore by their mother that they would poke up nuclear-pumped X-ray lasers for the space missile defense system ... Throw in more options that have not come true vowed forecasts?
So "India is the third economy in the world" - we'll see.
At this stage, India is a slave appendage to the "golden billion". Indian programmers will confirm
In addition, in the current political situation, it is unlikely that they will be allowed to own key technologies for the production of a fighter by 5 generations. Neither Britain, nor Germany, nor France, nor Israel, nor Italy can afford it now ... They can do tanks, but even with 4 ++ generation airplanes everything is not so simple. And about the 5th generation ... No, beautiful cartoons and plywood models - this is all there, but all the same, but to fly ...

[Pimply]

Quote: Aqela

the launch vehicle from Ilona Mask has been delivering commercial satellites (and not electric vehicles) to orbit for several years ...

They run. And they are systematically moving forward, albeit with a certain lag from the schedule - not very significant.

[on it]

Flag in hand and drum on the neck!

[faiver]

yes yes indian calf yes w eat b

[Seal]

Quote: faiver

yes yes indian calf yes w eat b

And at least in 2032.

Two next-generation technology demonstrators of the Advanced Mid-Range Aviation Combat Aircraft (AMCA) are expected to make their first flight to 2032 year.

The first flight in 2032, then testing, then fine-tuning, then launching into a series. So you look India by 2050 will acquire the likeness of the fifth generation. When the seventh generation of aircraft will reign in the air.

[IL-2]

Here, the main thing is to choose the right flowers for decorating the layout and write a beautiful song about a mighty Indian car)
And of course, laughter, these rabbits cannot really MRO and average repairs do even the old Soviet cars, but still there in the 5th generation))

[Seal]

Quote: IL-2

Here, the main thing is to choose the right flowers for decorating the layout and write a beautiful song about a mighty Indian car)

And you also need to put a powerful speaker system on the plane. So that each missile launch from an Indian plane would be accompanied by the traditional Bollywood loud: "PUMMMM" and "BAHHH".

[K-50]

India withdrew from this project, saying that the Russian Su-57 does not meet the parameters of the fifth generation. Now in the Indian media a statement is made by representatives of the defense industry, which indicate the readiness to create a new generation fighter.

Heh, here’s how they create it, so we'll see.
Many people know how to draw pictures, but to create the final product with the required properties, these are not songs to sing and dances to dance.

[Alexey-74]

We can say of course to the Hindus, good luck ..... but the final is clear and so .... ops .... got excited.

[rocket757]

How much will we give them? Ten, quarter or fifty years at once, for all their "dances" ???

[Pacifist]

The loud statements of the Indians have already worn out in order. Tank they promised "wow, what a tank" .... as a result zilch for more than 20 years. Air defense was promised, too, the level of the 70s of the last century turned out in several decades, the plane was promised ... MIG-21BiS is better. Now already 5th generation and materials ... well, well

[Blackbeard]

they promise to do shorter when everyone is already over the 6th in full smoke)

[Operator]

Not AMCA, but HALAMCA - HAL Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft.

[alekc75]

There is a picture, this is the most important thing !!! in cartoons will fly and the rest is nonsense!

[Tuzik]

will make their first flight by 2032.

but not too late? France and Germany are going to roll out the sixth generation by the mid 30s

[Victoria-V]

Quote: K-50

India withdrew from this project, saying that the Russian Su-57 does not meet the parameters of the fifth generation. Now in the Indian media a statement is made by representatives of the defense industry, which indicate the readiness to create a new generation fighter.

Heh, here’s how they create it, so we'll see.
Many people know how to draw pictures, but to create the final product with the required properties, these are not songs to sing and dances to dance.

India has about 100 nuclear warheads in readiness, ballistic missiles Agni-I (700 km), Agni-II (2500 km), Agni-III (3500 km), intercontinental ballistic missiles Agni-IV (4000 km) and Agni-V ( 8000 km). These are the dances ...

[K-612-O]

AND? Comrade Un also has a mbr with a range of 6-7 thousand,
India has a neighbor with 800 deployed warheads, and a long-standing "love" for their dancing, plus the same Pakistan with the same 100 warheads.
Hindus are just in ticks, they need to negotiate with China and Pakistan, and not twirl the ephedron.

[Aqela]

I agree with the essence of the remark, but the Greeks called the anus "Afedron" "EphedroL" is such a drug.

[Aqela]

That is, you list the compliance of missiles with the technologies of the mid 60s - early 70s of the last century. But nothing in the yard 2019? So here they say that the barrier will be taken in 50 years. A completely adequate forecast ...

[cormorant]

Most importantly, Indian developers must remember that an airplane without golden ruffles around the lantern and along the wings will not fly.

[awg75]

flag you Indians in their arms and a fair wind in the ass.

[evgen1221]

India is such an India)))

[A.K.]

Complete nonsense. 2032 the first flight, with the engine from the "maize" then by 2040 the engine may be finished while testing and 2050 delivery to the troops. The darkness is simple. By that time, he will be so inconspicuous that, in principle, no one will notice his appearance.

[Kharkiv]

Even if China turns out to be rubbish, and not 5th generation, then the gypsies will only get a bunch in a puddle

[Thunderbolt]

Where India got these technologies from is not reported.

Iran probably borrowed part of the technology or North Korea.
Or maybe they found old scrolls and there is a detailed drawing of how to make a viman. Here is an example for Izm. Vekt. It looks like traction. Oh and the Indians cunning ...

[Leon68]

Quote: comb

...The Chinese bought from us about 30 MiG-31 and a hundred engines for them. If they master it, the Hindus will have a hard time (although of course it is better not to sell such airplanes, who knows, in the future, China will not be our friend either).

Are you sure that the Chinese bought this particular type of aircraft from us? Maybe it was Su-35 after all?

[Imper]

In fairness, I have to say that the Indians have good training for pilots, they pay enough attention to this, but the development of the national Tejas fighter and the Arjun tank for 20 years with a failed result somehow hints at the probable failure of this program. Dancing with a tambourine is for domestic politics.

[macgyver]

> And after we develop our own engines ...
Those. never. And these hit the "geometry", the fact that he will not be able to fly at the same time does not seem to bother them.

[ppgt90]

There is no doubt that nothing will come of this. India does not have its own school of aircraft construction, or rather, this country has never had an aircraft structure at all. Where and what kind of developments can there be? Well, "good Uncle Sam" "can only help to rob India, like sticky. Well, who in their right mind and with full memory would just agree to lose the sales market? They will chat, chat, but they will still buy. The only question is where and from Everything will depend on the amount of kickback to Indian officials.In India, corruption is worse than ours.

[Antokha]

If ours indicated such a time frame for creating only a fifth-generation technology demonstrator, I would cry.

[Kaw]

With us they would have made such a plane much faster.
If the USA did its raptor from the 80s, we do our own from zero, then they will do it until the carrotkin. Did they even do one plane themselves?

[rayruav]

Well, well, two hundred years or so to wait, and even then the result is in question

[Ironclad]

Paperla fashion for fives and sixes! Soon some "invisible" in the sky will drive!

[TermNachTer]

Yes, the Indians are funny. Maybe first "Tejas" to bring to mind, and then take on the 5th generation.

[Pimply]

Quote: TermNachTER

Maybe first "Tejas" to bring to mind

Finishing the fourth generation when most countries are already slowly designing the sixth? No washed away

[TermNachTer]

Well, if the fourth could not, is there any point in taking the fifth and even more so for the sixth?

[aleks056]

Have they already developed their 4+ generation aircraft?

[mlad]

I knew that everyone would laugh in my case

[razved]

[quote] in the Indian media a statement is made by representatives of the defense industry, which indicate the readiness to create a new generation fighter [/ quote]
They have already created their tank ...

[Ugolek]

How can you start designing the 5th generation of aircraft when you did not know how to do 3rd and 4th ???

[silverwolf88]

so far, it's just dancing around the 5th generation aircraft ... BUT here's an interesting indicator ... for example - "GE-414 engines" opachki ... so after breaking the deal on joint development of the 5th generation fighter the ears of the "world hegemon" appeared ...

[Chess knight]

Quote: Aqela

According to official forecasts, the destroyers of the Zamvolt series were to be equipped with Gauss ... According to official forecasts, the carrier rocket from Elon Musk should have been delivering commercial satellites (and not electric vehicles) into orbit for several years now ... In the 80s the Americans swore by their mother that they would poke up nuclear-pumped X-ray lasers for the space missile defense system ... Throw in more options that have not come true vowed forecasts?
So "India is the third economy in the world" - we'll see.
At this stage, India is a slave appendage to the "golden billion". Indian programmers will confirm
In addition, in the current political situation, it is unlikely that they will be allowed to own key technologies for the production of a fighter by 5 generations. Neither Britain, nor Germany, nor France, nor Israel, nor Italy can afford it now ... They can do tanks, but even with 4 ++ generation airplanes everything is not so simple. And about the 5th generation ... No, beautiful cartoons and plywood models - this is all there, but all the same, but to fly ...

Then the stone was in my garden ... I will return, catch
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Yes, she loses to our X 31-PD missile in range, but who said that they will not have a missile with a range longer? maybe this is the beginning? maybe it's a short range, but it will be medium, large.

About how much we should have Ash and Boreev write? We rose from our knees, but there is no production for the construction of ships of the first rank and aircraft carriers? We have Armata tanks, but how many in pieces are in service? we have 5 generation aircraft, and how many in pieces are in service?

China was also underestimated, and now aircraft carriers are building faster than we river-sea ships. And this is a fact and not tales and pictures. With 5th generation airplanes, they also do not lag behind at all, and after a year see how many they will have in service and how many we have! In fact! And not according to the words!
About China - ARMY 2018 - BMP ZBD 05 ... we used their equipment! we just have nothing to cover in this topic, there 40 km per hour by water.

[Aliken]

No, the Indians’s testicles are not iron, they curtsied in the direction of their former colonizers, the back of the whip is remembered. The loss is not great, they will come running again.