Fire, water and aluminum pipes

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Recent ones news From the aluminum front, the experts (and before them the stockbrokers) were unequivocally regarded as positive for Oleg Deripaska. And let him personally remain under sanctions, the business can continue to work. For the benefit of Russia or someone else - this, in our opinion, alas, is not so important. Why? Yes, because before, under a different shareholder scenario, the real affiliation of Russian Aluminum, like the other structures of the oligarch that fell under the American press, caused serious doubts. And the point here is not only and not so much the fact that all this business has long and seriously been painted offshore.

We have already talked about how and under what conditions the owner of the Rusal group, Oleg Deripaska, was able to negotiate with the US Treasury about the lifting of sanctions from their assets. ("Deripaska out of the game"24.12.2018). The share of the oligarch in the management structure of the En + holding has decreased from approximately 70 to 44,95%. In addition, Deripaska left the board of directors of En + and UC Rusal, and with it both the CEOs of the companies and seven board members nominated by a Russian businessman.



They told you to share!

More than a month has passed, and disputes around the deal do not subside, and opposite commentators dominate among the commentators. The first is that changes in Rusal are not so much a serious blow to the oligarch’s business as a dangerous precedent that threatens Russia's economic sovereignty. In fact, the country's aluminum industry and a hefty piece of Russian energy are transferred to the management of foreigners, mainly representatives of the USA and the UK, and their activities will be fully controlled and accountable to the US Treasury. Overseas observers close to the Trump administration also tend to assess the consequences of the Rusal deal as very serious, only, of course, with a plus sign.

Fire, water and aluminum pipes


Another point of view is that the outcome of negotiations on the lifting of sanctions from Rusal is just a smoke screen, which is intended to hide the preservation of the status quo behind harsh language. In Russia, this view is shared by the adherents of the notorious concept of the “cunning plans of the Kremlin.” It has always been distinguished by the fact that any actions of the Russian authorities, including dubious and even blatantly failures, are part of a brilliant multi-way combination, which ultimately will lead to a crushing victory of our side and the shame of enemies.

In the US, Democrats and Trump's non-party haters usually come to the same conclusion lately. They are sure that the White House’s master only imitates powerful pressure on Moscow, but in fact he is indulging the Russian president in everything, and the case of sanctions against Rusal is a vivid example. Supporters of this view, for example, former US ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul, primarily point to the fact that Deripaska transfers part of his shares to the state bank VTB, which, in turn, is under sanctions itself. According to critics, this proves that the alignment of forces in Rusal does not really change.

But, as we noted in the previous publication, the main result of the transaction is not to change the shares, but to lose control and control. Now, literally every gesture of the Russian corporation will have to be coordinated with the US authorities. As for VTB, the bank does not have the right to vote with a shareholding to it. All decisions in Rusal are made by people who are not connected in any way not only with Deripaska, but also with the Russian authorities. In particular, En + and Rusal will no longer be able to change registration without permission from Washington, although both companies previously planned to “move” from the island of Jersey to the domestic offshore on Russky Island.

However, transatlantic critics of the deal keep up the pressure. Last week, a comment in the spirit of "Trump with Putin was deceived of all" appeared in the New York Times. His author aspirated, informs that the editors have some kind of confidential document that has not been published before and contains unknown information about the change in the corporate structure of Rusal.

However, nothing fundamentally new edition reports, besides the fact that a month has been discussed by the business press. From the unprincipled worth noting two points. So, according to the New York Times, in exchange for shares that will go to VTB, Deripaska will write off debts to the bank. But this is a predictable step. In the last publication, we assumed that the oligarch should be compensated for the refusal of part of the property. It is logical that such was the cancellation of debt on the loan.

Also, according to NYT, Deripaska, his Free Business Foundation, his ex-spouse Polina Yumasheva, her father and those close to this family of Orange Capital will, under the terms of a “secret” agreement, belong to almost 57% En +. But in any case, this is still not the old 70%, but the key value, we repeat, in this scenario, it is not the question of ownership, but of management.

Almost at the same time, Bloomberg presented the opposite viewpoint of the expert of the Atlantic Council, Brian O'Toole, who oversaw the issues of sanctions in the Obama administration. Bloomberg describes him as a “Putin critic”. We quote:
“He is not naive and knows about the cunning and“ ingenuity ”of Russian billionaires. However, he highly appreciated the success achieved by the Ministry of Finance in the Deripaska case. "Deripaska was deprived of control over a company that had shaped his image for almost a quarter of a century, and he will not receive a single cent from this suspension," O'Tul wrote.




There are a number of signs that make it possible to judge that the Rusal deal is not at all a game of giveaway. To begin with, the lifting of sanctions is beneficial not only to Deripaska and Rusal. Discriminatory measures hit Alcoa and other US companies that were hit by aluminum price spikes and market destabilization.

The negotiations cost Deripaska a lump sum and was worth a lot of effort. To protect its interests, Rusal hired the investment bank Rothschild & Co, as well as a number of reputable PR services and law firms. Despite the strongest lobbying support, the negotiation process went very unevenly. The oligarch and his assets came under US sanctions in April 2018, and in May Deripaska expressed his readiness to meet Washington's demands, agreeing, along with a number of his representatives, to leave the holding's management.

In late July, the US Treasury Department received from Rusal the final version of the plan to fulfill its requirements. It would seem that a deal on the ointment, to which the market responded, where the shares of the aluminum giant soared. However, just a week later, Deripaska announced the counter-conditions put forward by the American Ministry of Finance, “bonded,” saying that Washington’s proposals were “unacceptable and devoid of economic sense.” Details were not specified. In mid-September, the US Treasury formulated new parameters for lifting the sanctions, obviously more compromise, however, negotiations continued for another three months.

His example is another science

The personnel shifts dictated from Washington are also quite remarkable. The chairman of the board of directors of En +, former Minister of Energy of the United Kingdom, Lord Greg Barker, expectedly remained in his post, but the chairman of the board of directors of Rusal, the German Matthias Warnig, had to resign. Meanwhile, Herr Warnig is known as “a great friend of our country” and especially its president since Putin’s service in the GDR. The dismissal on the orders of the Americans Warnig could not pass without pain for the Kremlin and its inhabitants.


Matthias Warnig could well have suffered for the active support of not only Rusal, but also Nord Stream-2.

As a peculiar reaction of a certain part of the Russian elite to the situation around Rusal, one can also consider the recent appearance in the media space of Oleg Deripaska’s talks with his closest aides. It is very difficult to imagine that such a drain occurred without the participation of the special services and the high command of the high authorities.

Well, very high stakes are at stake. The agreement between the founder of "Rusal" and the Ministry of Finance of the United States goes far beyond the fate of the specific assets of a single oligarch. A very remarkable statement was made at the end of last year on the pages of The Wall Street Journal by a former official of the US Treasury Department David Murray, who said: “This deal can become a roadmap for other companies that want to get out of the restrictions and believe that they are not involved in illegal actions.

It seems that in Moscow many high-ranking officials share this approach. Russian officials, starting with First Deputy Prime Minister Anton Siluanov, did not hide their support and direct participation in the negotiations with Washington on the issue of Rusal. In this regard, in a new light, there is a recent incident that happened in Davos with Economic Development Minister Maxim Oreshkin. The minister was likened to Professor Pleischner from 17 Moments of Spring, with which the Swiss sweet air of freedom played a cruel joke. The official, having appeared among his own ones, has become soft and mentioned that the government is secretly preparing several transactions for the privatization of state-owned companies, including those with the participation of foreign capital. And at the same time, that officially no sale of significant state assets is foreseen in the foreseeable future.


Maxim Oreshkin. Journalists continue to guess who stands behind the youngest Russian minister

Probably the ultimate goal of these secret negotiations is not privatization by itself, but the withdrawal of the subsidiaries of Gazprom, Rosneft, or Rostec from the sanctions. According to the Rusal model, in accordance with the road map outlined - with a change in ownership structure and transfer of control. Of course, this pretty smacks of burglary with burglary and frank surrender. True, it happened a long time ago. Inclusion in the global market in the role of a notorious outsider, doomed to play by someone else's rules, meant that any more or less visible domestic company to some extent becomes independent of Russian laws.

The situation with the US sanctions only exposed the situation in which our officials, under pressure or threat of such, readily recognize the rule of the “older brother”, in the hope of retaining their part of control over the economy and financial flows. In the same way as the situation around Crimea, from which big business shies away, like the devil from incense, with the full connivance of the authorities, clearly demonstrated how much Russia’s sovereignty is in reality.

Having removed the head, they do not cry through the hair.
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  1. +31
    29 January 2019 09: 14
    The situation with the US sanctions only exposed the situation in which our officials, under pressure or threat of such, readily recognize the rule of the “older brother”, in the hope of retaining their part of control over the economy and financial flows. In the same way as the situation around Crimea, from which big business shies away, like the devil from incense, with the full connivance of the authorities, clearly demonstrated how much Russia’s sovereignty is in reality.


    It is, a good article. I have long had the feeling that Russia is controlled from the United States ... And all this supposedly confrontation is just a struggle between Democrats and Republicans, where our leadership appears to be on the side of the Republicans ..
    Colony in one word.
    Now I wait:
    For Russia, this view is shared by adherents of the notorious concept of "Kremlin sly plans." It has always been distinguished by the fact that any actions of the Russian authorities, including dubious and even frankly disastrous, are part of a brilliant multi-pass combination, which ultimately will lead to a crushing victory for our side and shame enemies.
    1. +12
      29 January 2019 16: 49
      The article is correct!
      Moreover, American experts have already suggested that Washington not start the United States at all while a generally hot war with Russia, but wait another 10 years, when Russia, under the current liberal course - under the "kudrin-economy" - of the liberal government of the Russian Federation, with historical inevitability from the last forces will fall into the property directly into the hands of Washington, like a liquid ripe apple that the United States can simply take with its bare hands.
      The question for the Americans is only: does the current crisis state of the US economy allow us to wait for the final victory over Russia for another 10 years?
    2. +3
      29 January 2019 18: 05
      Damn, got it, how much I write about it, all the cons. hi
      1. +12
        29 January 2019 18: 43
        and I wrote about it) so cons and cries of dissatisfied! I already have such a "quirky" opinion that after the collapse of the USSR and the coming to power of the GDP, we are ruled by oligarchs from across the hill. At first, the GDP was allowed to "show" itself. They created for him the image of a "solver" of all the troubles of the country. Pay attention now. Mockery at the people in all respects. And every day. Apparently the GDP has actually been removed from power. And whether he was with her. Our resources have been seized. Oil and gas and timber are leaving the country at a frantic pace. The modernization of the army in numbers near zero for our country leads to sad thoughts. Aren't they just preparing us for slaughter? But those who are really preparing are the United States and China. And all these Sarmatians and Vanguards are just a move. To play for more time.
        1. 0
          30 January 2019 03: 59
          Definitely! Or removed or, most likely, replaced ... And the king and the boyars. belay
          1. +1
            30 January 2019 16: 33
            Or removed or, most likely, replaced ... And the king and the boyars.
            --... and the Russian land. with the people .... replaced. ..not real
    3. 0
      30 January 2019 07: 17
      As for VTB, the bank does not have the right to vote with a block of shares passing to it.

      A lie who wants to can check, he can vote with seven percent, 11% from Glencore, 35% from Deripaska! The author gracefully circumvented this
      But, as we noted in a previous publication, the main result of the transaction is not a change in shares, but a loss of management and control. Now, literally every body movement of a Russian corporation will have to be coordinated with the US authorities. As for VTB, the bank does not have the right to vote with a block of shares passing to it.
      Well, what elegant solution can the author propose to circumvent sanctions and not destroy the company? wink I already wrote to you Svarog, but you don’t absorb anything at all, we are forced to play by their rules since they influence and manage the global economy! You can certainly play in your sandbox, are you for it?
  2. +6
    29 January 2019 09: 21
    it pretty smacks of headache with hacking and outright surrender

    Wall Street is still not so shaved!
  3. +6
    29 January 2019 09: 26
    Roughly speaking, there was a raider seizure of "Rusal", the pin dos Niki squeezed the Russian company, highly profitable, from the owners.
    As they were bandits at the beginning of the formation of their gangster state, they remained so. negative
    1. +10
      29 January 2019 09: 28
      Quote: K-50
      Roughly speaking, there was a raider seizure of "Rusal", the pin dos Niki squeezed the Russian company, highly profitable, from the owners.
      As they were bandits at the beginning of the formation of their gangster state, they remained so. negative

      Take more- raider capture of Russia ..
      1. -12
        29 January 2019 09: 38
        Quote: Svarog

        Take more- raider capture of Russia ..


        Change your mind ..... Take even more - the raider capture of the Galaxy !!! wassat
        1. +18
          29 January 2019 09: 45
          Quote: Nasr
          Quote: Svarog

          Take more- raider capture of Russia ..


          Change your mind ..... Take even more - the raider capture of the Galaxy !!! wassat

          In vain, mock, see who is the shareholder and beneficiary of Gazprom, Rosneft, Sberbank ... etc, relate here the actions of the government, which are clearly not designed, to increase the birth rate and life expectancy .. and the picture becomes clear ..
          1. -24
            29 January 2019 10: 00
            The big conspiracy ... clearly ..... How scary you are to live that! Did you find the money on the computer? And chat all day long .... I look and your life is hard !!! I feel sorry for you!
            1. +7
              29 January 2019 11: 30
              Quote: Nasr
              The big conspiracy ... clearly ..... How scary you are to live that! Did you find the money on the computer? And chat all day long .... I look and your life is hard !!! I feel sorry for you!

              List the shareholders of Rosneft, come on bolder.
              1. +2
                29 January 2019 12: 10
                One of Rosneft’s many shareholders is here.
                1. -6
                  29 January 2019 12: 37
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  One of Rosneft’s many shareholders is here.

                  Why you are alone? offend ... laughing
                  1. +4
                    29 January 2019 13: 18
                    Quote: Nasr
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    One of Rosneft’s many shareholders is here.

                    Why you are alone? offend ... laughing

                    Why are you shy on my friend, let’s publish the list of Rosneft’s shareholders, and at the same time explain what foreign citizens do there.
                    1. -5
                      29 January 2019 16: 04
                      How they do it - like everyone else, they invest through the purchase of shares.
                      1. +11
                        29 January 2019 16: 54
                        In fact, Russia has virtually lost control of its aluminum industry and is transferring it to the Americans and the British. At first, the aluminum industry created in Soviet times was seized by privatization from the people and transferred to Deripaska, and now from Russia itself.
                        To remove US sanctions from its key companies: En +, Rusal and Eurosibenergo. Deripaska agreed to implement the Barker Plan (TOR).
                        Thus the circuit is run-in.
                        The refusal of the Russian authorities to de-privatize the enterprises of oligarchs leads to a loss of control over the industries.
                        In Russian, there is a sale of Russia with the transition to a colonial economy.
                        What is it? Realization of a cunning plan with a multi-course or the next grandmaster success of the president in world geopolitical chess?
                      2. -1
                        30 January 2019 21: 03
                        Quote: nils
                        What is this?

                        There is a lost head, and the mermaid is only hair.
                        How could it be otherwise if the company sells the lion's share of aluminum in the US market? That is: you earn in the US market - dancing to the American tune.
                        And no amount of nationalization and deprivatization will help: it is impossible to buy aluminum for years at the expense of the state budget "in reserve".
                        When the "lost head" in the form of processing this raw material in Russia grows back, at least more than half of the aluminum will be processed inside the country, then who will have a second question there and will be regulated by the Russian authorities, not the Americans.
                        In the meantime ... the main thing is that the factories work, pay salaries and payments to the budget.
                      3. +2
                        29 January 2019 17: 43
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        How they do it - like everyone else, they invest through the purchase of shares.

                        In order to invest, you need to be on the board of directors? And then these investments, another trick. He brought in the ruble and took 1000.
              2. +3
                29 January 2019 18: 50
                oh well shareholders, look how much they pay taxes) like Gazprom as a percentage of revenue and you will be happy!
                1. 0
                  29 January 2019 19: 36
                  Quote: dirk182
                  oh well shareholders, look how much they pay taxes) like Gazprom as a percentage of revenue and you will be happy!

                  And how much do they take? And why is a private company doing this?
                  1. -3
                    29 January 2019 20: 31
                    Only taxes concern you anything else.
    2. -20
      29 January 2019 09: 33
      Quote: K-50
      Roughly speaking, Rusal was raided ...:


      First, they raided Sakhalin2, recently they raided the Kuril Islands ... now they are broadcasting to us about the raider seizure of Rusal .... the guard !!! laughing
    3. +13
      29 January 2019 10: 37
      [quote = К-50] Roughly speaking, there was a raider seizure of Rusal, pin boards squeezed the Russian company, highly profitable, from the owners. [/ quote]
      why are you doing that? Hooray patriots claim that this is a multi-move and the registration of RUSALA in Kaliningrad will not allow seizing Deripaska's property! Does it not reach the "convinced" that these are their dreams?
      [quote = Borisovich] December 20, 2018 [quote = Silvestr] Rusal is an aluminum company of the Russian Federation, ..............., passes under the control of the United States and Great Britain. [/ quote]
      -Doctor, do not read the yellow press in the morning.
      “So there is no other.”
      - Then do not read any
      (almost according to Bulgakov) [/ quote]


      [quote = Astronaut] Astronaut (San Sanych) December 20, 2018 23:32 PM
      goes under the control of the USA and Great Britain.
      This information is already rotten!
      [/ Quote]

      [quote = Consultant] Consultant December 24, 2018 16:45
      Sylvester, would you not write about what you don’t understand? [/ Quote]

      [quote = You Vlad] You Vlad (Vladislav) December 24, 2018 17:29
      Quote: Silvestr
      Deripaska gave up control over assets, reducing his share of voting shares to 35%. [/ Quote]

      Well, if somewhere it diminished, it means somewhere it increased .... And it increased in the VTB bank, and it is a state bank! But the silvester won’t write about it [/ quote]
      1. 0
        30 January 2019 06: 52
        [quote = Silvestr] Quote: Silvestr
        Deripaska gave up control over assets, reducing his share of voting shares to 35%. [/ Quote]

        Well, if somewhere it diminished, it means somewhere it increased .... And it increased in the VTB bank, and it is a state bank! But the silvester won’t write about it [/ quote] [/ quote]
        And what is Sylvester wrong?
    4. Yat
      +2
      29 January 2019 13: 45
      According to the principle, the robbery is looted. Or did Deripaska himself build his aluminum plants from 0? No, he also depressed them from the state.
  4. +5
    29 January 2019 09: 35
    The situation is completely opposite: in case of problems for a PRIVATE company, whose assets are completely and long ago removed from Russia through offshore companies, it has been demonstrated that there is SOMEONE to protect its interests. What was repeatedly warned by the oligarchs, who persistently continue to rob Russia in the hope that abroad will help them.
    Indicative flogging snickering oligarch, with the wrong hands. in the interests of the Russian Federation. Moreover, it has already been said more than once, in plain text - you do not want to honestly pay taxes in the Russian Federation and do business not according to concepts, but according to the law - you will be stripped to cowards. In no way was it possible to help Deripaska - even in the little things. even just a word. His example is another science (s)
    1. +2
      29 January 2019 11: 33
      Quote: Cowbra
      The situation is completely opposite: in case of problems for a PRIVATE company, whose assets are completely and long ago removed from Russia through offshore companies, it has been demonstrated that there is SOMEONE to protect its interests. What was repeatedly warned by the oligarchs, who persistently continue to rob Russia in the hope that abroad will help them.
      Indicative flogging snickering oligarch, with the wrong hands. in the interests of the Russian Federation. Moreover, it has already been said more than once, in plain text - you do not want to honestly pay taxes in the Russian Federation and do business not according to concepts, but according to the law - you will be stripped to cowards. In no way was it possible to help Deripaska - even in the little things. even just a word. His example is another science (s)

      Only this battered oligarch continues to extract aluminum from Russia. What do you say to that?
      1. -6
        29 January 2019 12: 38
        ... and workers in Russia continue to get paid.
        But the question is different: why do businessmen withdraw capital from Russia? Is it because within the country they are often and loudly threatened? But without enterprising people, ALL SOCIETY of any country can not do! Not everyone has the ability and strength to be a successful leader. And everyone is capable of kicking successful ones.
        1. Yat
          +5
          29 January 2019 13: 47
          Because they know perfectly well - they are thieves. And sooner or later they will come for them to return to the state the loot in the 90s.
        2. +2
          29 January 2019 18: 11
          Let the workers of Russia receive their salaries for the benefit of the United States and other countries. And poisoned by the dangers of aluminum production. And America is good - harmful production outside its territory.
        3. +2
          29 January 2019 18: 59
          WORKERS OF RUSSIA. How can you call SALARY the money that workers receive? !!! You think it over! You are not offended that the resources (and this is the property of the whole people) are extracted by our workers for scanty wages, sold for crazy money abroad. And most of this money goes there too.
      2. +1
        29 January 2019 12: 44
        I will say that taking away and dividing is nothing but good for Sharikov. In reality, the law must be observed. And so it happened - an object lesson was taught - the law is observed in the Russian Federation, therefore entrepreneurs can work ONLY in the Russian Federation, if they want to according to the law. And if they want to be left with nothing - welcome to the camp of common people, to Deripaska, and "abroad will help them" quickly to part with their assets.
        What do you say on IT?
        1. +4
          29 January 2019 13: 15
          Quote: Cowbra
          I will say that taking away and dividing is nothing but good for Sharikov. In reality, the law must be observed. And so it happened - an object lesson was taught - the law is observed in the Russian Federation, therefore entrepreneurs can work ONLY in the Russian Federation, if they want to according to the law. And if they want to be left with nothing - welcome to the camp of common people, to Deripaska, and "abroad will help them" quickly to part with their assets.
          What do you say on IT?

          I’ll say that power should be popular. Everything should belong to the people through the state form of ownership. Then everything will be as it should, there will be no property stratification, no withdrawal and transfer of strategic assets under control, or presumptuous bureaucrats and oligarchs.
          Your turn.
          1. -6
            29 January 2019 13: 23
            Go ahead - arrange the October Revolution. Once already done, ended with the same oligarchs - the Kremlin elders. And if capitalism is in the country, then get used to the idea that the initial capital is ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE obtained illegally, nouveau riche - the French word. And you begin to dekulakize - all production from the country will run away.
            This is exactly what the United States did to Deripaska, and that is why no one from Russia will run to them anymore - there are no fools. Everything that is said about Deripaska - applies to the Rothschilds, Rockefeller, Trump, Berlusconi - in any poke, you will not be mistaken
            1. +4
              29 January 2019 13: 55
              Quote: Cowbra
              Go ahead - arrange the October Revolution. Once already done, ended with the same oligarchs - the Kremlin elders. And if capitalism is in the country, then get used to the idea that the initial capital is ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE obtained illegally, nouveau riche - the French word. And you begin to dekulakize - all production from the country will run away.
              This is exactly what the United States did to Deripaska, and that is why no one from Russia will run to them anymore - there are no fools. Everything that is said about Deripaska - applies to the Rothschilds, Rockefeller, Trump, Berlusconi - in any poke, you will not be mistaken

              Stupidity beyond reason, or maybe you have selfish interest?
            2. +2
              29 January 2019 19: 01
              and in our country there is still production? REPRODUCTION and it has fallen compared with the birth rate lol
              1. +2
                29 January 2019 19: 31
                Tales about Russia without aluminum are not too lazy to tell at the same time when the Duma is considering a law on the possibility of selling alcohol in aluminum, because they say it’s dofig in the country, do you need to support the manufacturer?
                Even neighing from such squalor does not pull. Correctly Biden dispersed the Ministry of Truth
                1. 0
                  31 January 2019 13: 29
                  Quote: Cowbra
                  Tales about Russia without aluminum are not too lazy to tell at the same time when the Duma is considering a law on the possibility of selling alcohol in aluminum, because they say it’s dofig in the country, do you need to support the manufacturer?
                  Even neighing from such squalor does not pull. Correctly Biden dispersed the Ministry of Truth

                  Ale! Why do we have no production left?
              2. -2
                29 January 2019 19: 37
                Quote: dirk182
                and in our country there is still production? REPRODUCTION and it has fallen compared with the birth rate lol

                And why do we have no production left?
          2. +1
            30 January 2019 09: 52
            Everything has already happened! And there were a lot of over-the-top PART-bureaucrats! As for the "people's power", now many proudly and valiantly do not go to the elections. From there to take the people's power ?!
    2. +7
      29 January 2019 13: 24
      Quote: Cowbra
      The situation is completely opposite: in case of problems for a PRIVATE company, whose assets are completely and long ago removed from Russia through offshore companies, it has been demonstrated that there is SOMEONE to protect its interests. What was repeatedly warned by the oligarchs, who persistently continue to rob Russia in the hope that abroad will help them.
      Indicative flogging snickering oligarch, with the wrong hands. in the interests of the Russian Federation. Moreover, it has already been said more than once, in plain text - you do not want to honestly pay taxes in the Russian Federation and do business not according to concepts, but according to the law - you will be stripped to cowards. In no way was it possible to help Deripaska - even in the little things. even just a word. His example is another science (s)

      In the interests of Russia? Are you serious?! Transferring a strategically important company to American management? I never thought!
      And with their own hands, the state of the Russian Federation, what prevented the "flogging"? Maybe principles or excessive philanthropy?
      But everything is much simpler. Itself, the current government ("elite"), can not be flogged. They are, of course, bad people (replacing a phrase with a reader is allowed), but they hardly suffer from such a massive addiction (to "flog" themselves).

      PS It is in Russia's interests to definitely be a self-sufficient, independent, fair state. Without any participation of the wrong hands and any hope in the wrong hands.
  5. +11
    29 January 2019 09: 48
    That's right luminous
    1. +5
      29 January 2019 10: 04
      Yes, the States are technically enslaving us, technically ... But it looks like everything is decent: stocks, offshore companies, the board of directors, someone was removed, someone was introduced, and there is nothing to say ... Venezuela has consciously turned itself into a white colony, for the Indians did not know how to extract oil. And we? Unconsciously? Or someone’s consciousness is so high that the flight of thoughts is not visible to us from below. And what does he see? Great Colonized Power?
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 12: 43
        WE are unable to be entrepreneurs, just like Indians are unable to produce oil. But the Indians managed to step on their throats and shut up, but WE did not.
      2. +2
        29 January 2019 19: 13
        Chubais has already expressed his opinion about the people of Russia. There will be less of us by n-number of millions less, so it's okay. We were unable to adapt to the conditions of the modern economy. If he said, then his pupils have such thoughts, which includes our sun-faced. And then their policies make sense. A small number of the working class, etc. To extract oil, gas. A bunch of overseers (represented by the Russian Guard, the Ministry of Internal Affairs). Personal secret service (FSB, FSO). A small army to guard the wells from "terrorists". Well, the hegemon squeezed a piece of the pie from them, it's no stranger to it. There are Kuril Islands. Bargain. The money will be returned in part.
    2. +10
      29 January 2019 10: 50
      Quote: Gardamir
      That's right luminous

      Not only aluminum, everything has not been ours for a long time ... Americans have changed their manager and all affairs .. In the USSR, everything was ours, and now everything is capitalists and they are biting among themselves for the natural wealth of Russia.
      1. +6
        29 January 2019 11: 51
        all capitalists
        It is necessary to add even capitalists not ours. Under Yeltsin, they plundered the national treasure and now they are distributing it to foreigners.
      2. -2
        29 January 2019 12: 46
        Under the USSR, everything was yours, but now it’s not mine again. But I understand that I did not succeed - not given! It is difficult to do real business in the manufacturing sector.
      3. Yat
        0
        29 January 2019 13: 48
        There was nothing to vote for Putin
        1. 0
          29 January 2019 19: 14
          this election has long been a single actor circus
  6. +15
    29 January 2019 10: 07
    "... All decisions in" Rusal "are made by people who have nothing to do not only with Deripaska, but also with the Russian authorities ..." - this phrase is the most important of the entire article.
    The day before yesterday, RBK said directly: "Russia has been squeezed out of its" aluminum business. " In light of these events, stories from certain Russian politicians about sanctions that do not harm Russia look dubious. Military action is unnecessary here. US RUSAL is conquered by the USA. If we develop this topic, namely, why the "Americans" succeeded, one can come to unpleasant conclusions. Oleg Deripaska had a weak point - offshore jurisdiction. If the US actions against Diripaska are projected onto all Russians associated with offshores, then one can imagine how many Russian citizens under certain conditions the US will be able to “put pressure on” by making them an offer that “they cannot refuse”. In the acute phase in our country's upholding its independence, these people will be "the weak link in the chain" and will carry a latent threat to the existence of Russia's sovereignty.
    1. +12
      29 January 2019 10: 41
      That's right, AA17, without firing a shot. All - on a legal basis. The One Who Can't Be Named, loves to push against international laws and act in accordance with them, well, he got it! And together with him - all of us. In general, aluminum pipes sing and play, and we fly out in them. And "Poseidons" to apply - so the reason is not created! And you can't scare the States with gnashing of teeth.
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 12: 52
        And from this it follows: it is necessary to create conditions in Russia so that capital is not withdrawn from the country. Love is not necessary, but respect is necessary! Especially if WE ourselves are incapable of entrepreneurship.
        1. -2
          29 January 2019 12: 55
          Sometimes you need to say thank you to the business, as the red-haired Chubais advises.
        2. +4
          29 January 2019 15: 02
          Dear Victor N. I read all your comments. I got the impression that you are a naive and good-natured person (or try to be so). You were misled by telling you that private business is more efficient than public business. It's a delusion. The "capitalist" does not run his own enterprise or organization himself. His enterprise is managed by the same hired manager as in a state-owned enterprise. You are naive if you think that all owners of fixed assets are directors of their enterprises. They hire competent managers. (And in our state corporations, for some reason, top-managers are talented 20-30-year-old children of state officials.) Only the control by Capitalist over the activities of its "manager" is very tough. The government could also exercise such control over its state-owned enterprises, IF IT WANTED.
          All problems with bank holes and the withdrawal of money from Russia are easily solved by the introduction of regulation of the movement of financial resources from Russia. But the ruling elite stubbornly does not go for it.
          P.S. In June 2017 laid out this information. Read, Victor N., what the middle manager at the state-owned enterprise, who is worried about his homeland, says.
          "... I can’t scream anymore ..." The voice of one crying in the desert "begins to go into a dull resonance with a groan, more and more rocking the" interstellar "emptiness, the airless space between the commanding elite and us - the performers of the" impossible "... What will happen to my as a collective, with these Mohicans, in the full sense of the last, highly skilled multi-craftsmen who have grown together with their profession quantum ties. Which resisted any experiments periodically made with us: Coitus, disconnections, purchases / sales, reorganizations / optimizations, a beloved enterprise, repeatedly standing in any conditions, under different modes, keeping on its feet. Even when fingers were chopped on them, he resisted without losing the honest name of the signalman ... In those years of hard times, many had to leave, in search of a better life, no less skilled and reliable, but faced with a choice: Favorite business or bread? ... I do not judge them. Now the question is how to be the most, the most collective that, in spite of everything, has remained in order to taste the “last share” of the total reduction. They cut us, cut them off with a bucket of a multi-ton bulldozer, together with the “engineering layer”, so that there is not even a smell of spilled “oil” on the mechanisms, which from time to time have grown into one whole, trouble-free electronic cross-field. Why are these conspirators preparing the site? No one knows ... Taldychats are talking about some kind of crisis, according to some kind of evil irony and some kind of only one known law of "optimization" that does not affect the numerous, useless clerks at the top ... This young and early contingent, deciding the fate of wise experience. Why are experts, experienced, specialized, deeply thinking and broad, being "killed" throughout the country? Why, for the sake of the current desire for profit, the notorious profitability and "profitability", they sacrifice - reliability, stability and dependability, for the sake of cranes in the sky, some illiterate "new bosses", it is not clear from which stall they jumped into the high-tech workshop, they begin to break out in it everything brilliant to sell? I do not know who to contact? Will we be heard plain-looking, but reliable and already slightly powdered gray hair ... Do we need you, country? I scream, but I know that You, my Motherland, suffer with me ... So everywhere ... How to reach the raccooner, the one who goes hurrying to meet us? We still don’t hear his voice, but his ax breaking through the wind is heard in each of our offended hearts, deaf and ever-approaching echoes ... Will you be able to reach us before sunset? Let us know what needs to be done so that it may be at the cost of our own well-being, but stop this soulless destructive machine. We still have a reliable and reliable network, the site of which we protect, as we can ... Talk to us, the signalmen standing under the hanging sword, calm and admonish, or say goodbye to us, who served you honestly, Motherland ... We wait, hope and believe , we are Russian, which means patient and reliable ... If you can still - save us the country! We do not like to remain in debt ... We will work out and teach those who come after us to work.
          1. +4
            29 January 2019 16: 39
            AA17, the one you quoted is written by an incredibly talented person !!! How much sincerity, pain, and what fate ... We all lived the dream of the World of Noon, and received a haze ... Thank you very much for the quote!
          2. -1
            29 January 2019 19: 23
            and how without a revolution can you decide ??? if you know that there will be a fight first. Why do we people all think like a herd?
          3. +1
            30 January 2019 12: 00
            Dear Alexander Anatolyevich! (AA17)
            Thank you very much for the detailed comment!
            I am old, but calm, although I am very worried about my Motherland and think a lot about how it can be helped, because I know for sure what MY dear ancestors created, in incredibly difficult conditions, the Russian State. I myself have been engaged in scientific research all my life and, in addition to one and a half hundred scientific publications, I prepared recommendations for state bodies - up to the Council of Ministers, the Central Committee, the Supreme Council, but also to regional authorities, ministries, enterprises. At the same time, he was doing a "Sabbath": he was engaged in journalism, editorial work and even business. In the latter, he achieved the set goal, realized how difficult it is and experienced the anger of the people towards successful entrepreneurs. A pensioner, disabled, but I continue to work. I represent the boundless complexity of the country's problems today and the difficulties of making decisions.
            I do not find any significant mistakes in the actions of the authorities. In particular: the "silver economy" worries the whole world. I see the main problem of our time in the field of public morality - it is consumerism, and social dependence, and, most importantly, society's rejection of entrepreneurship, especially all successful ones, who are immediately credited as hated "oligarchs", even burned in villages and towns. Literature and culture in general are strangely silent about this. But what a rich range of plots that writers of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries saw, but do not see now!
            The problem is that there are few people capable of working normally and EARNING. There are very few capable entrepreneurs. Young people now do not want to go into business - it’s hard, although 10 years ago every second one registered his company.
            You are a rare person, you are partial and thoughtful. I wish you success, optimism! Learn to please yourself - life is beautiful!
            I recommend the site - "Good News of Russia"!
            1. 0
              30 January 2019 16: 43
              Victor. Thank you for the kind words addressed to me. And I wish you success and health. I have also been working in private business since 2009. This is my second run into entrepreneurship. I see everything from the inside. I have enough for black bread and butter. But this is not mine. This is from despair. I would love to work in an industrial enterprise. In 2015, he tried to return to the company through acquaintances, where he started working as a young specialist. I couldn't. They said it was old and unpromising. Moreover, reductions began at this plant. I will be 60 this year. I try to keep fit, I go to the gym. In his youth (while studying at the university) he was the 1st category in the barbell. Children are working. I have everything: "... A good wife, a good house - what else does a person need to meet old age?! ..." But I feel sorry for the HOLDER. I am ashamed that I belong to that generation of our citizens who are about ... a Great country. This case must be corrected somehow.
        3. 0
          29 January 2019 18: 14
          It is not a matter of withdrawing capital, but selling products abroad to get more currency.
    2. +1
      29 January 2019 19: 19
      laughing to defend independence for Deripaska? or whom? Can we deal with them first? After all, people like him are selling the country's resources. Who allows them to withdraw funds to offshore? Why is there no state control?
  7. +6
    29 January 2019 10: 49
    Quote: K-50
    Roughly speaking, there was a raider seizure of "Rusal", the pin dos Niki squeezed the Russian company, highly profitable, from the owners.

    why are you doing that? Hooray patriots claim that this is a multi-move and the registration of RUSALA in Kaliningrad will not allow seizing Deripaska's property! Does it not reach the "convinced" that these are their dreams?
    Quote: Borisovich
    December 20 2018
    Quote: Silvestr
    Rusal is an aluminum company in the Russian Federation, ..............., is under the control of the United States and Great Britain.

    -Doctor, do not read the yellow press in the morning.
    “So there is no other.”
    - Then do not read any
    (almost according to Bulgakov)



    Quote: Astronaut
    Astronaut (San Sanych) December 20, 2018 23:32
    goes under the control of the USA and Great Britain.
    This information is already rotten!


    Quote: Consultant
    Consultant December 24, 2018 16:45
    Sylvester, would you not write about what you don’t understand


    Quote: you Vlad
    You Vlad (Vladislav) December 24, 2018 17:29
    Quote: Silvestr
    Deripaska gave up control over assets, reducing his share of voting shares to 35%.

    Well, if it’s diminished somewhere, it means it’s increased somewhere .... And it’s increased in the VTB Bank, and it’s a state bank!
    1. +8
      29 January 2019 11: 02
      hi Now witnesses of the cunning plan will give you something like, "Trump squeezed the lumin from the evil Deripyoska, and then hand it over to the main cunning of all Russia. It cannot be otherwise, because the multi-move and Trump in general is ours. "his" assets on the territory of the Russian Federation. After all, the chess player warned everyone to the point of cowards, etc. Well, after all these events, tariffs for housing and communal services will definitely decrease, America is ruined, Europe will rot to the end and an era of prosperity will come. laughing
      1. +9
        29 January 2019 11: 06
        Quote: Vlad 63
        ... witnesses to a cunning plan ...

        ... so self-confident in their knowledge that they reject with foam at the mouth any other opinion, and, moreover, objective facts. This is from their deep confidence in the correct course of the government and a happy tomorrow. True, not for everyone.
      2. +10
        29 January 2019 12: 06
        Quote: Vlad 63
        Well, after all these events, tariffs for housing and communal services will surely decrease, America will be destroyed, Europe will decay to the end and the era of prosperity will come.

        Not after that to heaven ..
        1. +6
          29 January 2019 12: 24
          Not after that to heaven
          Oh yes! I forgot. We are martyrs. belay
    2. +1
      29 January 2019 19: 24
      where is this person with the nickname Consultant ??? I don't see him here. He then pretty much scoffed at all "not thinking so".
  8. +19
    29 January 2019 10: 51
    To gain control over the second-largest aluminum company in the world without a single shot - is this a victory or a concession to the USA?
    A couple more of such “concessions”, and in general we will have to cancel pensions, and send the pioneers to plantations in the USA for a bowl of soup.
    Now that the enterprises are controlled by the Americans, finding them on the sanctions list makes no sense. Obviously, the sanctions themselves against UC Rusal, EN + and Eurosibenergo were introduced precisely for the purpose of capturing them. This awaits the entire model of the current Russian economic model.
    Initially, sanctions against Rusal lowered the company's shares and led to an increase in aluminum prices, which benefit all manufacturers except Rusal itself. Then the Americans and the British gained control of Rusal itself. Double profit.
    What will happen if the new managers of Rusal start making decisions on the closure of aluminum plants, especially in single-industry towns? Then you will have to urgently decide what to do with the managers, and with Rusal. The United States retains tools to put pressure on Russia. It would be possible to disarm them by stopping the rescue of Deripaska and nationalizing them. This has not been done.
    The main problem of Russia is that it lost the enterprises that consumed huge volumes of aluminum during the Soviet era and without their restoration the aluminum industry would be extremely vulnerable in the world market simply because all other entities would benefit from the removal of Rusal: like Americans, so are the Chinese, who have become world leaders in aluminum production.
    1. +2
      29 January 2019 11: 09
      Bad feelings are bursting ...
      At one time, the president managed to be very convincing about Khodorkovsky, so what motivated the subsequent surprising softness towards other oligarchs? Didn't find the button? Or found a suitable one for him personally? This despite the fact that the people would approve of any of his tough actions against the "privatization" thieves ...
      1. +4
        29 January 2019 13: 29
        Quote: depressant
        Bad feelings are bursting ...
        At one time, the president managed to be very convincing about Khodorkovsky, so what motivated the subsequent surprising softness towards other oligarchs? Didn't find the button? Or found a suitable one for him personally? This despite the fact that the people would approve of any of his tough actions against the "privatization" thieves ...

        Yes, how much more can you write about the president, that he would be, but he would be. The raven will not peck out the crow.
      2. 0
        30 January 2019 12: 11
        The leader cannot be simply removed, he must be REPLACED. And oh how difficult it is to find a replacement! There are many envious people, but few capable. Not everyone is capable of doing it. I am not capable and do not want to replace any of the "oligarchs". And you? Putin organizes competitions across this country to find talented leaders - are you tracking? This is a difficult matter! But they do! We just tryndim.
    2. -5
      29 January 2019 13: 02
      You can’t nationalize! And there is no reason: there are no unmet needs within the country. Your advice is dangerous. Dangerous.
  9. +4
    29 January 2019 11: 05
    So they’ll squeeze everything out and no missiles from them will help. They appointed crooks to the posts of oligarchs, and now they don’t know how to get out. Or so planned.
    1. +10
      29 January 2019 11: 33
      You know, when Putin came to power, the liberals yelled: "Putin will release Russia on the brakes!" Meaning the disintegration of the country. Not abrupt, but gradual. My wicked memory has retained this phrase. And the quickly hushed up recent stuffing about the need to divide the Russian Federation into 14 territories with significant independence - too! And the persistent desire to surrender the Kuril Islands looms before our eyes. Plus, now there is an obvious surrender of industry to the enemy. On the brakes?
  10. +12
    29 January 2019 11: 14
    Quote: alexey1213
    ... They appointed crooks to the posts of oligarchs, and now they don’t know how to get out. Or so planned.

    A scandalous video involving allegedlyFirst Deputy Director of the strategic enterprise "Rosgeologiya". The problem is not only mate, rudeness and sex with subordinates, but also that such a person, in principle, ended up at such an important post, despite the crime in his biography.
    https://vz.ru/society/2019/1/29/961524.html
    These are the "upavlenets" everywhere. Therefore, "we have no money either," so they cheat us behind the cordon in ships, and some are building plans for a flight to Mars. With such managers we will fly to Zimbabwe
    1. +5
      29 January 2019 12: 04
      This whole story with dislike for Russia and Russian oligarchs, etc., led by their nominee VVP, flared up after the 2007 (or 2008?) Economic summit. It was on it that the representatives of Russia, who had beaten the shores, either after going through the buffet tables, or having sniffed something "cooler", suddenly crawled onto the stage and with a slightly tangled language, told the whole world that "they have a lot of money", well " just a lot of money ”(just like the redhead later, he said the same thing at a party in Skolkovo) and they are ready to save the world with this money from the coming crisis and, first of all, to support American banks that are ready to burst. I must say that the world financial world periodically cleans the world financial market of "inflated" money that is created by loans and unconfirmed bills of exchange, stocks, derivatives and other "securities" (in fact, just securities) and this is done by selecting banks throughout the world who decide to go bankrupt and before that stuff them to the eyeballs with these very toxic assets. In the United States, they decided to remove three of these large banks, filling them with "toxic" beforehand. Russian smart people, who imagined themselves to be economists with a capital letter, after short-term courses in the United States, decided that according to the "economic rules" it is necessary to "save" these banks, which will pull other banks around the world with them (although this is exactly what was originally intended world tycoons). Therefore, they, in a nonsense manner, announced their readiness to “save”, expecting to be patted on the head for this and finally put at the same table with the “big uncles” as “saviors of the whole world”. However, the big uncles at first went nuts from such amateur performances, and then decided to punish the zealous "saviors", at the same time pointing out their place, it is clear where ... ... They allowed to transfer billions of dollars to these banks, and then they safely slammed them, graciously allowing the very end, take from there a couple of billions, to once again show - "who is the boss." Since those times a dog or a black cat has run between the west and "Moscow" ... The world financial and economic markets were not created by the "lake" cooperative and are ruled by very big uncles who put our zealous "cooperators" in the stall they need ... And there is no doubt about it. There are even signs that the "co-operators" have agreed to this "stall" and are simply bargaining about the conditions of detention .... wink
      1. +8
        29 January 2019 12: 15
        Quote: Snail N9
        This whole story with a dislike for Russia and Russian oligarchs, etc., led by their nominee of GDP,

        I don’t know how they are evaluated at the foreign top, but on average, they are treated like a gang of swindlers who claim equal rights to the foreign elite.
      2. +4
        29 January 2019 17: 45
        Quote: Snail N9
        There are even signs that the "co-operators" have agreed to this "stall" and are simply bargaining about the conditions of detention ....

        So it is .. aluminum is not ours already ..
    2. +1
      29 January 2019 16: 48
      Silvestr, the villain has already been fired, but how many of them, unlit! Until the mouths themselves open, no one will hand them over: people hold on to work in any conditions ...
  11. +3
    29 January 2019 11: 16
    Our still need to learn and learn. Beautifully, and most importantly, he was given away everything (stolen) from himself, with the words- Yes, I’ll also take it and pay extra.
  12. +6
    29 January 2019 11: 19
    Hmm .... it looks like Hodor won. It was he who first tried to change the structure of the company in order to include more Anglo-Saxons in its management and sell part-half of the shares or transfer them into trust management of Anglo-Saxon-Jewish owners and funds in order to make the company as transparent as possible for the West and withdraw it out of control of the Kremlin lads. For which, in the beginning, he suffered .... Now, the Kremlin brethren, nevertheless, finally got a taste of who is actually "the boss in the house" and realized that you want it or not, but you will have to play by their rules and quickly without much clamor and whine rebuilt the "rusal" and other assets "take the fish" in the way the Americans want, otherwise not only would all the containers in the country have to be changed to aluminum, but also "to spread aluminum on everyone's bread" in Russia forcibly "to save assets of this master ... wink
    1. -12
      29 January 2019 12: 17
      This will not affect Rusal’s work in any way - on the contrary, it will even improve, sanctions have been lifted, some stocks are on the rise today, some are tomorrow, others are tomorrow, and third tomorrow, stocks like movements, like money - this makes a profit.
      1. +9
        29 January 2019 14: 08
        When Rusal FORCES Russia to buy RUSSIAN aluminum at prices dictated from London and Washington, then you will understand how wrong you are.
        1. -7
          29 January 2019 16: 20
          Do not worry do not force - stock ownership does not mean management.
        2. -7
          29 January 2019 16: 51
          A controlling stake in Russia remained 25% - at VTB, the remaining shares are scattered from small shareholders, other companies and others. The article is not relevant, another empty cry - for one day.
          1. +1
            29 January 2019 18: 22
            Quote: Vadim237
            A controlling stake in Russia remained 25% - VTB

            Have you really read the article?
            As for VTB, the bank does not have the right to vote with the shareholding transferred to it. All decisions in Rusal are made by people who have nothing to do not only with Deripaska, but also with the Russian authorities. In particular, En + and Rusal will no longer be able to change their registration without Washington's permission, although both companies had previously planned to “move” from Jersey to an internal offshore on Russky Island.
            1. 0
              29 January 2019 20: 51
              The scam bank is not entitled, but the state has - VTB State Bank itself.
              1. 0
                29 January 2019 21: 09
                Quote: Vadim237
                The scam bank is not entitled, but the state has - VTB State Bank itself.

                I don’t know who has what there.
                "Independent manager David Crane will dispose of the voting rights of a part of the VTB state bank's share in the EN + group after the lifting of US sanctions on the company, the family of Oleg Deripaska will transfer the rights to their shares to Jan Baker, a former partner of the American law firm Latham & Watkins," the publication says.

                The agency’s source added that an additional 10% of Deripaska’s shares will go to the fund, which will automatically vote with independent shareholders.
                https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6050454
  13. +9
    29 January 2019 14: 06
    Until officials of different ranks, Medvedev’s pack of thieves and idiots, members and members of the federal assembly of the Russian Federation, oligarchs (all of them are Putin’s friends, he said) have real estate, mobility, bank accounts, children, parents and other relatives in the WEST, order in Russia will not be. Because at any second, the West can bend all of the above and fuck .... Therefore, under the current government, they will represent the interests of the West, not Russia.
  14. +6
    29 January 2019 15: 00
    In a word, the colonial administration is the colonial administration, but the most annoying thing is that they brought this situation to their own hands, for the sake of greed, venality of their swagger. Having understood this, immediately everything falls into place and immediately all the actions of bureaucrats become clear, before that it seems to be not logical and stupid. All the wretchedness and unprofessionalism of ours, or rather not ours for a long time, is immediately visible, according to Brzezinski, the so-called elites (cattle breeding term), their exorbitant greed, dependence and inability to solve the problems and problems facing the country, which for the most part they created through their actions, or rather, criminal inaction. Therefore, they so hate Stalin and the Soviet state, realizing their squalor and betrayal, their utter helplessness and failure, will forever be damned and despised by their people, for betrayal and crimes against their homeland, for the inability to protect and defend its interests.
    1. +1
      30 January 2019 07: 02
      So Ivashov, who is considered an old man who has lost his mind, said this long ago. About the colonial administration. Nemtsov spoke. Removed. Serdyukov destroyed the army and the military education system. On whose orders? Latest news: "Russia will be disconnected from the World Internet" "Russia will lose in the war with Japan" all these are links in the same chain. We are looking for an external enemy. And the enemy is inside. On our TV. And in power.
  15. +5
    29 January 2019 15: 16
    The situation with the US sanctions only exposed the situation in which our officials, under pressure or threat of such, readily recognize the rule of the “older brother”, in the hope of retaining their part of control over the economy and financial flows. In the same way as the situation around Crimea, from which big business shies away, like the devil from incense, with the full connivance of the authorities, clearly demonstrated how much Russia’s sovereignty is in reality.
    Who would doubt that! The deceased Z. Brzezinski did not take it from the ceiling - "Russia can have as many nuclear suitcases as it wants, but since $ 500 billion of the Russian elite is in our banks, you still have to figure out whose elite it is. Yours or ours already?"
    winked
  16. +5
    29 January 2019 15: 20
    Quote: military retiree
    When Rusal FORCES Russia to buy RUSSIAN aluminum at prices dictated from London and Washington, then you will understand how wrong you are.

    He understands everything, but he is not paid for this .... wassat
    1. -2
      29 January 2019 16: 26
      I get paid only for completed orders - in mechanical engineering. And unlike the local impulsive surges - I have a more measured sober look at what is happening in the economy, stocks and finance - since I do the same.
  17. +1
    29 January 2019 16: 33
    Quote: Vadim237
    I get paid only for completed orders - in mechanical engineering. And unlike the local impulsive surges - I have a more measured sober look at what is happening in the economy, stocks and finance - since I do the same.

    Is that why we have such an "economy"? lol
    1. +1
      29 January 2019 17: 01
      I have an economy in production, services, the stock exchange as extra income - and you have an economy in consumption. And the macroeconomics of the state is not for me this is for the government, namely the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Finance.
      1. 0
        29 January 2019 19: 43
        What in engineering do you respect? in what quantities? How about the market? WHERE A PRODUCTION? can show us your products
        1. +2
          29 January 2019 20: 39
          Volgograd region, the production of custom-made parts, including high-precision, using 3D printing, as well as sliding bearings from 2 to 300 mm - an adjacent of 29 factories and three concerns.
          1. -1
            30 January 2019 07: 05
            Is it mechanical engineering? Parts and bearings ???? What is the end product? What car"?
            1. 0
              30 January 2019 09: 57
              Imagine the final product - from hours to fighter and nuclear reactor.
  18. 0
    29 January 2019 17: 12
    Quote: Vadim237
    I have an economy in production, services, the stock exchange as extra income - and you have an economy in consumption. And the macroeconomics of the state is not for me this is for the government, namely the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Finance.

    And these, if I may say so, "bodies" - are they on their own, a separate "state", or are they subordinate to someone? winked
    1. 0
      29 January 2019 20: 49
      Obey the president.
  19. 0
    29 January 2019 20: 34
    That's why the houses explode from gas: Deripaska gobbled up half of all the electricity in Russia: what kind of electric stoves are there? Other perverts call 300 kilowatts per apartment. Third - the red-headed enemy of the people is openly lying about the fact that the people of Russia consume electricity more than anyone else in the world ...
  20. 0
    29 January 2019 20: 51
    Quote: Vadim237
    Obey the president.

    Well it is necessary !!! And then, after reading your comment, I thought that they themselves .... lol wassat tongue
  21. 0
    30 January 2019 04: 51
    Quote: Yat
    Because they know perfectly well - they are thieves. And sooner or later they will come for them to return to the state the loot in the 90s.

    I'd like to believe that it will be so! The question is when? And will not the changes in life and in the country be irreversible to restore normalcy.
    1. 0
      30 January 2019 07: 13
      Then, when we (the people) stop sitting on the fifth point. But the penny reform has rolled. And they realized that you can do anything. Now the Kuril Islands. And so as not to resent, turn off the Internet. But nothing will pass us by. Since the Russians are fed God's chosenness, patience and an external enemy. Kvachkov is still sitting. And, it seems to me, in response to your question, time has passed. The country has already been sentenced.
      1. 0
        30 January 2019 09: 58
        The Kuril Islands will not give to anyone - calm down at last.
        1. -1
          30 January 2019 10: 12
          Nobody worries) “if we don’t give them back, they will be taken away by force”, another military expert A. Zaitsev warns us.
  22. -1
    30 January 2019 11: 33
    The Deripaska scheme is what everyone who has great power in Russia is striving for.

    First, they stole and transferred to offshore, then from offshore assets were transferred to the true owners, of course, for a share. Aluminum was a national treasure in the USSR, and became the property of international capital.
    These are the results of the 20 year reign of the indefatigable rower in the galleys. He’s not going to die like that ...

    They stole, plundered, transported there, and there they shared and are free, they will continue to steal and explain to the people that they are patriots and how important it is to be every patriot of their country.

    Well, such patriots have the homeland, they have a choice of 2 -3 -4 - 5 passports, which is more convenient now, and the homeland is there.

    So you can act only under the roof of the supreme power in the country, and they are the supreme power ...
  23. +1
    30 January 2019 18: 36
    Everyone is greedy, they lack everything .... Even this shot that stole Kuigi's picture from the Tretyakov Gallery strongly resembles Roman Abaramovich's face, and the "democratic leader of Venezuela" Guidio looks like BH Obama!
  24. 0
    31 January 2019 03: 04
    Lies. Out of the blue.
    Maximov is a liar!
  25. 0
    2 February 2019 10: 30
    You’ll look like that, probably it’s all just to stay on the Amer market with such harsh conditions
  26. 0
    4 February 2019 17: 42
    After privatization, a new phase of accelerated takeover of Russia has begun. It is necessary to bring into management capable of counteracting the plunder of the country. We have a strange silence, if not crazy - many understand the disastrous results of the actions of the “elite”, but there is not even any energy being drawn, the actualization of protection and reaction. There is war in our house, and we like to say: “If only there was no war”. Saying - "There is no substitute ...", remove personal responsibility. It turns out to be difficult to get out, to get together with the question - to recall such and such and send such and such. If someone is acting incorrectly, why doesn’t they turn on - do not wait and do it yourself correctly? But we can’t avoid this.