Military Review

Syria is our frontier

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Famous experts reflect on the development of events in the Middle Eastern country

The West does not hide its desire to carry out military intervention in Syria. For now, it is only the position of Russia and China that is holding it back.

Veronika Krasheninnikova, Director General of the Institute for Foreign Policy Studies and Initiatives (INVISSIN):

- In the Arab world today is practiced the theory of "domino". In displacing one after another undesirable to the West, leaders are actively using the dynamic power of the newly "converted" neighbors. Thus, Egypt helped the Libyan militants, and those, in turn, today supply weapon Syrian fighters. The weapons, intercepted at the end of April by the Lebanese army on the way to Syria, were carried by a vessel that, until the end of January, was still flying the flag of Georgia. And the “color revolutionaries” from Serbia came to Egypt and Syria back in the middle of the 2000s.

In Syria and in the region, we also see the deployment of the complete tools of the Washington military machine. Where “peaceful” “color revolutions” can work, they are used. Where power is able to suppress subversive activities, the United States and NATO will uncover real weapons (Libya) and arm militants, local and mercenary (Syria).

What will be the consequences of this process for Russia? Together with the loss of Syria, the largest and only remaining ally in the Arab world, Russia is losing the entire region. The Palestinian and Lebanese resistance is losing the main support, and the American satellites finally reign in the region. Iran in such conditions will be very difficult to survive. But Syria and Iran are the far borders of Russia's southern front, and with the fall of Assad, the front line will pass in the Caucasus and Central Asia. Finally, on international platforms such as the UN Security Council, we are one by one losing allied votes. Who will vote with Russia in a year?

The fate of Syria is actually decided in Russia. Russia's position is the main factor hindering the open military intervention of the West. This is well understood in Washington, hence the hard pressure on Russia.

But Syria is also a question of Russia's domestic policy. This is a test for President Putin: does he have the political will and strength to resist the pro-Western lobby in Russia?


And position clarity is just not enough. Suddenly it turns out that Russia does not support any of the parties in the Syrian conflict and is promoting the so-called Yemen option, that is, Assad’s withdrawal. It sounds very strange, ambiguous.

If such ambiguity aims to appease the United States, then this is a mistake: Washington cannot satisfy anything except complete and unconditional surrender. And he will insist on it to the end - whether it is Syria, whether it is Russia. Small and large concessions will not save us. The surrender of Syria will mean that after a while, Russia will be thrown with the participation of the new pro-Washington regime in Syria and other dominoes of that same “domino”.

Andrei Fursov, historian:

- “The Arab Spring” is a preparation for the battle for Eurasia, the creation of a zone of controlled chaos. This zone, as can be understood from the plans of the planners, must extend through the arc, the blade of instability from Mauritania and Algeria to Kashmir and Kyrgyzstan.
The blade is aimed simultaneously against China and Russia. But so far a continuous arc does not emerge: “Bickford fuse”, which was fired in North Africa, sometimes it goes out in the weakened opposition of Syria, followed by Iran. And the UN Security Council is not able to splash petrol, because the “peaceful mission” of Annan continues. But more and more warlike appeals are heard, and not only in the USA.

It is clear that Syria and Iran are two states of the Muslim world that do not want to replenish the zone of controlled chaos.


That is why the “friends of Syria” (they are also the “friends” of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Egypt ...) are trying to destroy not just the Assad regime, but an integral, independent Syria. But, as they say, he sees the eye, but the tooth hides. Western Sher Khan and the tobacco jackals from the Arab monarchies, rubbing on its sides, cannot burn all Syria in the fire of civil strife.

In addition to the West, Qatar is among the “friends of Syria”. For Qatar, the dismantling of Syria is an opportunity to lay a gas pipeline, go to the Mediterranean Sea and increase the sale of gas. The West would have had its winnings in that case - weakening the position of the Russian Federation with the help of the “gas line”.

But these are only regional and gas aspects of the fight; more important, of course, is the global agenda. And in her bet - the whole of Eurasia.

The rate is determined by two factors.

First, the global economic crisis, which is nothing but a manifestation of a systemic crisis of capitalism (the crisis is so breathing in the back of the head the powerful people of the world that the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers combine some of the assets, giving a certain signal to the world top).

Secondly, the threat of geoclimatic and geophysical catastrophe. Indeed, according to forecasts, with such a development of events Northern Eurasia will remain the only truly stable and resource-secure territory for several centuries. Control over it becomes a condition of preservation by the top of the world capitalist class of both power and property.

The leaders of the states in Moscow and Beijing, in theory, should understand that Syria and Iran are currently passing the front line in the unfolding struggle for Eurasia, its space and resources. And for this line "friends of Syria and Iran," who at any time can become "friends of Russia," should not be allowed under any circumstances.

Hypocritical phrases about reboot, friendship and trust fly from the West. So Gaddafi swore the same! I remember Hamlet’s remark about Rosencrantz and Guildenstern: Whom I will trust as I will adders fang'd (“By whom I, as two vipers, I believe”).


The law of any war (and we live in a military era, the pre-war ended in 2011 year) - to stop the enemy at the far lines. Syria is such a milestone.

By the way: We can agree with much in the position of experts. However, the remaining questions are: does Russia today have the resources and strength to withstand the ever-increasing pressure of the West? What will this confrontation mean for us?
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  1. mar.tira
    mar.tira 12 June 2012 11: 14
    +9
    I can’t understand one !!! How long will we engage in demagogy and threaten with a finger from the UN rostrum. It's not for nothing that they say Cat Vaska listens, but eats. That's how they will gobble up bloodsuckers - propins - to Syria, if Russia does not give them a rebuff. Do we really want this ?? ? I personally do not!
    1. qwz_qwz
      qwz_qwz 12 June 2012 11: 38
      +9
      How long will we engage in demagogy and threaten with a finger from the UN rostrum
      Until the end of the rearmament of the army
      if Russia pi .... so they won’t give them there. Do we really want this ??? I personally do not!
      no one wants it, but pi .... they really want dates, but the balance of power is in their favor so far.
      1. Marat
        Marat 12 June 2012 20: 03
        +5
        unfortunately the balance of power in favor of the "world government"
        But I do not agree with the comments that if the government cannot be kept under internal pressure, then it should not be

        It is not true. Pressure is 100% external!
        The aggressor will "squeeze" Syria and then put the squeeze on Iran. The fact that Syria is also the most convenient outlet for pipelines to the sea is described by the same Starikov. But the main thing is to deprive Iran of its main ally
        Our turn will come for Iran - those who do not understand this or are mistaken or enemies.
        1. qwz_qwz
          qwz_qwz 12 June 2012 22: 33
          +3
          You unsubscribed a bit wrong)) but I agree with the comment +)
    2. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 12 June 2012 11: 43
      +2
      Quote: mar.tira
      I can’t understand one !!! How long will we engage in demagogy and threaten with a finger from the UN rostrum

      As if Russia had already done a lot for Syria, Assad was given time, delayed external intervention, executed arms contracts at an accelerated pace, his task is to solve internal problems on his own, he is not particularly at risk of isolation - he has access to the sea, has been trading with the West and has not been trading for so long . If the power cannot be kept under internal pressure, then there is no place for it in power.
      1. chukapabra
        chukapabra 12 June 2012 15: 23
        -1
        Quote: Kyrgyz
        As if Russia had already done a lot for Syria, Assad was given time,


        We will look realistically, Russia, in addition to delaying time and delivering weapons, will not be able to influence anything. Comparing the sending of their troops (which is simply not realistic, 0 it will unleash a war and turn the conflict into a war between the opposition and Russia. Assad will surely hide behind the back of the Russian military and will behave in such a way that all the shootings are made by Russian hands, and he’s not here at the Chem. The opposition will begin provocations and stage the shooting, again made by the Russians. Al-Jazeera will be refined in everything and except constant excuses that we have nothing to do with it, the presence of Russia in the conflict bypassing the UN will free all countries from America , Europe to the Arab countries of Assad’s opponents. The conflict will escalate like Afghanistan and the force will not be on the Russian side. Besides losing image, money and lives, Russia will not win anything. Assad’s fall, as it’s not sad, is a matter of time and getting into a civil war, in my Russia it’s not worth it. Helping with arms, defense in the United Nations is the maximum that needs to be done. The conflict has gone too far, the forces and money are enormous. Russia has neither the strength nor the authority in the Arab world to influence the situation and many are simply waiting for Russia to take unilateral steps and untie the rest with this. What Russia needs to do, in my opinion, is to create a situation in which whoever does not come to power in Syria remains a friend of Russia (although this is probably already known)
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 12 June 2012 15: 31
          -3
          Chupacabra You wrote absolutely everything right!
          The trouble of Rossi’s policy over the past 20 years is the loss of influence, the inability to flexibly respond to global and regional changes!
          with the loss of a leader of a country, they lose everything !!
          And you are right, military intervention will only lead to problems!
          I support your every word!
          1. mnn_12
            mnn_12 12 June 2012 22: 31
            +4
            Well, then turn in another ally. For betrayal, Russia would not have won anything but simply would have been deceived by the West the next time. Russia does not need any illusions - the current sovereigns of the world will not stop retreats, since the retreats in 1939 did not stop Hitler.
            It seems to me that Russia should continue to fight to the end, at least in order to win time. Even doomed positions without a fight are not needed! If the battle is even lost, then the time will be won for the next round. Otherwise, a complete defeat is inevitable and completely foreseeable! But it means only one thing - the fragmentation and the end of Russia.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 12 June 2012 23: 03
              -6
              What does it mean, what do you think, how do you think the Turks will get there, they will still block the Basfor and the Dardanelles will have to fight with the Turks
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 12 June 2012 23: 53
              -3
              mnn12
              You wrote it to whom ??
            3. chukapabra
              chukapabra 13 June 2012 08: 29
              -2
              Quote: mnn_12
              turn in another ally

              Assad has never been an ally of Russia. He was a conductor of Russia's interests in confronting America (for money, of course, and not by conviction), by the way, like many beloved Saddam, who continued to receive money from the USSR, successfully cutting all the Communists.
              Syria is not an ally, because neither ideologically, nor mentally, nor vitally connected with Russia. Only money and nothing but. And one-sidedly - from Russia.
              Therefore, treats Syria as a prostitute and exchange one aging and inadequate prostitute for another, there is nothing to worry about. Assad is that inadequate b ... b, for which you should not hold on. We must choose a new one that is suitable for Russia and put on it.
              And then all b ... di will run into another brothel and Russia will only have one aged and no one needed Madame wassat crying laughing
            4. Bashkaus
              Bashkaus 13 June 2012 16: 06
              0
              I completely agree with you. Unnamed fortified areas in the summer of 41, in spite of all the despair, detained the enemy for hours, days, weeks, months, frustrating all plans. And further, according to the circumstances, how the dedication of these "knowingly lost their battle" heroes ended, we all know in 45 in Berlin ... The Americans have been stuck for a year already, they have stalled in Libya, so far the bits of mud have not been washed from their snouts. In Syria, just like in a crash test at speed, they flew into a concrete partition. And time goes by ...
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 12 June 2012 23: 01
          -1
          There, Islamists of all stripes will flock together so they amer and NATO nerve exhausted in Iraq and Afghanistan
        3. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 13 June 2012 15: 56
          0
          Well, Russia is no stranger to a tub of dirt, tanks, as they say, are not afraid of dirt, especially information. After all, we explained this to our "partners" in August 2008, and still do not understand. Here the question is different, are we bad teachers, or are they stupid students?
      2. Vito
        Vito 12 June 2012 16: 38
        -4
        Kyrgyz drinks
        Quote: Kyrgyz
        access to the sea is
        "NIMITS" will block the exit to the sea, the USA simply does it!
        1. Kyrgyz
          Kyrgyz 12 June 2012 18: 17
          +3
          Quote: Vito
          "NIMITS" will block the exit to the sea, the USA simply does it!

          Yakhont will open, oppositional, of those captured naturally
          1. Vito
            Vito 12 June 2012 18: 27
            0
            Kyrgyzstan RUDO NOT consider an adversary dumber than US. They will announce a 200t MILITARY quarantine zone, and yachts will be shot down by standards with the help of AWACS and their fighter jets, without getting very close to the Syrian shores!
    3. nokki
      nokki 12 June 2012 11: 53
      +3
      Yes, I repeated a thousand times: Putin needs to show political will! If this does not happen, we are dead!
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 13 June 2012 16: 09
        0
        Totally agree with you! I have a lot of complaints against Putin, but as it were, there is a crew on the submarine, there is a commander, orders are not discussed. I sincerely believe Putin in this matter (but not in all others)
    4. Yozek
      Yozek 12 June 2012 12: 33
      0
      Well, go and give them a pi..da personally. You are ready to scatter the lives of our guys, as if they are toy soldiers. Any hero and commander when he is not afraid for himself and his loved ones. Do you think we will fight with NATO there? There will be militants against us, the same Syrians whom we must defend.
      1. Hans grohman
        Hans grohman 12 June 2012 14: 02
        +4
        Good article, I liked it.
        1. Winter
          Winter 12 June 2012 14: 38
          +3
          Only Assad can save Assad! Should we fight for him? .. Will NATO bomb Syria? Will be! How they bombed Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya ... And what has changed? Never mind. Nothing for them. And during this time we started to rise from our knees.
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 12 June 2012 18: 40
            +2
            Quote: Winter
            .And what has changed?


            and the fact that slowly moving towards Russia, if the majority thinks so, then you must immediately hang out a white flag
            1. 755962
              755962 12 June 2012 23: 39
              +1
              Quote: Oleg0705
              but the fact that slowly moving towards Russia

              The Pentagon rehearsed the attack on Russia and China http://www.belvpo.com/11995.html
          2. qwz_qwz
            qwz_qwz 12 June 2012 19: 02
            -2
            Only Assad can save Assad!
            Because of this position, Russia was knocked out from almost all directions and closed in the aisles of its borders.
            Should we fight for him?
            It is not necessary to fight - enough warships in the port to drive and place a military base in Syria.
            And during this time we started to rise from our knees

            Economically? - Yes,
            Politically? - No, it’s even worse ...
    5. FiremanRS
      FiremanRS 12 June 2012 17: 06
      +5
      Article +! I subscribe to every word !!!!! We cannot be flexible and compliant on the Syrian issue. Amers want to gobble up all the parts, all who are against their "democracy". You can see it with the naked eye! What are our politicians thinking ????
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 12 June 2012 17: 34
        +4
        information channels for the intervention are in full swing over western channels today the Syrian army made pedophiles raping children, and also said that children are put on tanks instead of shields, that here in Europe the majority are zombied and will believe itsadthere is no limit to media cynicism sad
        1. 755962
          755962 12 June 2012 23: 30
          +2
          Quote: Oleg0705
          there is an information cover

          And information escalation:Clinton accused Russia of delivering military helicopters to Syria
          US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday that Russia is supplying the Syrian authorities with combat helicopters, which the local army is using against the so-called "armed opposition" groups.
          http://www.dv.kp.ru/daily/25897/2856531/
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 13 June 2012 00: 08
            +1
            complete nonsense they have before these events in abundance was the State Department is wrong smile


            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Военно-воздушные_силы_Сирии
            Helicopters
            Aerospatiale SA 342J France multipurpose helicopter 55
            Mi-2 USSR multipurpose helicopter 10
            Mi-4 USSR multipurpose helicopter 2
            Mi-6 USSR transport helicopter 10
            Mi-8 USSR multipurpose helicopter 51
            Mi-17 USSR multipurpose helicopter 45
            Mi-24 USSR transport and combat helicopter 36
            1. 755962
              755962 13 June 2012 09: 46
              +1
              Quote: Oleg0705
              State Department is wrong

              I just watched the news and the rebuttal. The Pentagon has no information on the sale by Russia of Syrian attack helicopters http://www.newsru.com/world/13jun2012/controversion.html Hillary in his repertoire .... a forest dog. He barks, not knowing what.
              1. Oleg0705
                Oleg0705 13 June 2012 17: 12
                -1
                cat and mouse game?
              2. Oleg0705
                Oleg0705 13 June 2012 18: 23
                -1
                Quote: 755962
                Hillary in his repertoire .... a forest dog. He barks, not knowing what.



                can it be drained slowly as waste material?
  2. Tirpitz
    Tirpitz 12 June 2012 11: 14
    +6
    The coming US election is why Syria is still alive.
    1. Vito
      Vito 12 June 2012 16: 14
      +2
      Tirpitz,Hello my friend! drinks For now, in the US elections, we have time to strengthen our ally SYRIA, and our position in relation to this long-suffering country in the eyes of the world community. It is necessary to clearly and unequivocally make it clear to all "friends" that the words of our diplomats will turn into real actions if a serious mess begins. SYRIA CANNOT be handed over! WE can’t get involved in hostilities, and we don’t need anything, INCREASE in the supply of weapons (it is possible at reduced prices, preferably the latest samples), sending OUR military specialists and advisers, I would like Chinese ones, knitting together in opposition to the "friends" of SYRIA our counterbalance, well, let's call it "friends of" QATAR "(I am exaggerating a little now), but the direction should be in this vein! IRAN has already announced the sending of several thousand specialists to the allied SYRIA. Only then" the democratic community will seriously think whether the game is worth the candle ... YES, new outbursts of anti-NATO sentiments may well sweep across Afghanistan, as if by accident and they may last for a very long time! In Bahrain, too, it would not hurt to stir up!
      1. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 13 June 2012 16: 12
        +1
        What are you talking about at what discounted prices? There is no laughing matter! Ready 10% of his salary during the year to donate for the needs of the Syrian army. Better now 10% voluntarily than a year later as a slave to plow an American or to lie in a trench near Moscow
        1. Vito
          Vito 13 June 2012 17: 04
          0
          Baskaus (1), Greetings! Yes, in fact, I, too, are not joking, in the trenches under MOSCOW we will lie not only with YOU, but also with our CHILDREN! What a laugh! drinks
  3. teves
    teves 12 June 2012 11: 18
    +6
    So what are the specific steps of a military nature proposed by the authors of the article? Some hints and "Wishlist" ...
    Specifically write your proposals with the calculation of forces and means, and the nature of further actions
    1. nokki
      nokki 12 June 2012 11: 55
      -4
      Yes, just a preventive nuclear strike against the United States! Otherwise, this viper cannot be destroyed!
      1. Eraser
        Eraser 12 June 2012 12: 55
        +3
        Are you out of your mind? Think about the consequences ...
      2. qwz_qwz
        qwz_qwz 12 June 2012 13: 51
        +2

        Yes, just a preventive nuclear strike against the United States
        From the children ... nokki, you forget that a blow will immediately follow in response, and if you do not live in a village in the middle of Siberia, then most likely the blow will also hurt you.
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 13 June 2012 16: 14
          0
          Listen, what's the big difference, a year earlier or a year later? Better to be the first to burn, at least there will be a chance to see the mouths of our "partners" open in surprise, but we will die after them anyway))))
          1. qwz_qwz
            qwz_qwz 13 June 2012 18: 24
            0
            and what is the main difference, a year earlier, or a year later?
            ... What is now - it was not a year ago, a similar conclusion can be made next year, development is ongoing, both economic and military.
            Better to be the first to gasp
            Better ... but with a 100% start of the war, and not like that, from floundering bay out of the blue ... Analyze the Caribbean crisis, ...
      3. Vito
        Vito 12 June 2012 16: 21
        +2
        nokki (1),Greetings.
        Quote: nokki
        Yes, just a preventive nuclear strike against the United States! Otherwise, this viper cannot be destroyed!

        Well then for starters in SAUDI ARABIA and QATAR, if they don’t understand, then the next in the ARAB EMIRATES, these countries almost openly support all Muslim terrorist organizations! UE ALLAH AKBAR Sikir Baska!
        1. Odinplys
          Odinplys 13 June 2012 05: 56
          +2
          Quote: Vito
          Well then for starters in SAUDI ARABIA AND QATAR,



          but it’s time to do it a long time ago ... insolently ... and there are already enough reasons ... and the attitude will change ... and we will win time ...
          1. Vito
            Vito 13 June 2012 17: 32
            0
            OnePlys (5)Hello to you.
            Quote: OdinPlys
            .and the attitude will change ... and time will win ...

            and in the Caucasus it will immediately become calmer!
    2. Rebus
      Rebus 12 June 2012 12: 00
      +1
      Quote: teves

      So what are the specific steps of a military nature proposed by the authors of the article? Some hints and "Wishlist" ...
      Specifically write your proposals with the calculation of forces and means, and the nature of further actions

      The most concrete step is to create the "Friends of the European Union" society, there are many migrants from Africa, the Middle East who do not like the policy of this pseudo-strike, and then according to the knurled pattern .... In the fall of Europe, the United States will not have leverage over all of Eurasia.
  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 12 June 2012 11: 22
    +5
    Assad supports the majority of the population of Syria, there can be no questions. Russia urgently, incredibly quickly needs to significantly strengthen its base. Other, diplomacy, idle talk will not hold back. If we throw Syria, I will never go to the polls anymore. The government is separate, the people are separate.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 12 June 2012 11: 57
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      If we throw Syria, I will never go to the polls anymore.

      Consider another refuser to be. The future of such distant countries as Russia, China and Germany depends on how these events end. This war is not regional in scope, but global.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 June 2012 12: 11
        +5
        Yes, I’m talking about that. Sooner or later, a clash with the amers will occur. And we will remain one on one with the entire democratic herd. Probable allies are destroyed one by one.
    2. chukapabra
      chukapabra 12 June 2012 15: 31
      -3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      If we throw Syria, I will never go to the polls anymore

      Is this the only reason not to choose?
    3. Vito
      Vito 12 June 2012 16: 29
      +1
      Alexander Romanov (3)Hi YOU. Well, I’ll be going to the polls, I’ll start voting only for other parties, I don’t have any trust in political impotent people and respect ALSO! drinks
  5. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 12 June 2012 11: 23
    +9
    Well, why actually not be surprised at anything new, everything is also the Great Game that was in the 19th century continues today. It depends on the outcome of this round of the game where the borders of Russia's interests will actually be, and then Russia itself. We will succeed Syria with Iran, and then the Caucasus, Central Asia and all our southern borders will blaze.
    We are preparing respected mattresses and shavers trying to use the chance to drive the world into the third world war and maintain their hegemony. Let's see how this performance ends.
    1. broker
      broker 12 June 2012 11: 41
      +5
      As for me, the third world on the nose wants to say to all of Russia it’s time to begin at least a comprehensive physical training.
      Interestingly, if a pre-military emergency regime is declared throughout the country, many will give up drinking and smoking, or not?
      1. max73
        max73 12 June 2012 13: 25
        +3
        comrade, you’re living in Russia ... if the emergency mode is announced - they will thump even more ... alas .. the crude prose of life ..

        and now on the case .... have real thoughts? write to the PM ... not from the organs I ...
        1. 755962
          755962 12 June 2012 23: 35
          +3
          According to Nezavisimaya Gazeta, citing anonymous sources in the Russian Ministry of Defense, the joint headquarters of the Collective Security Treaty Organization and the SCO anti-terrorist structures are developing a plan for the transfer of Russian combat units to Syria. The 76th Airborne Division, the 15th Brigade and a separate brigade of naval special forces of the Russian Black Sea Fleet are preparing for a mission outside Russia.

          Yesterday, May 11, Russian warships were spotted off the coast of Syria. An anonymous Russian source told the Tehran Times that Russia wants to show NATO that it will not tolerate any military intervention in Syria under the guise of a "humanitarian operation."
          http://nationalidea.am/news.php?id=15984&fl=y
          1. Oleg0705
            Oleg0705 13 June 2012 00: 30
            +1
            Quote: 755962
            Russian warships were seen off the coast of Syria.



            the same Russian Navy base why notice them there?
            1. 755962
              755962 13 June 2012 09: 49
              +1
              Quote: Oleg0705
              why notice them there?

              The question is, what are the "wonderful" ships there?
  6. Bort radist
    Bort radist 12 June 2012 11: 40
    +7
    1975 year. Syria is at war with Israel. From our VTA regiment, the boards carried "cargo" to Syria (during the night, instead of stars, they painted flags and black sickle, hammer and the inscription AEROFLOT, the guns were really left at the shooter) Advisors were sent under contract for a year. Our chief of communications was there. A man with character, a warrior. So the roots of the Russian character and spirit are clearly present there.
    And I think they are hoping that friends will not give up!
    1. chukapabra
      chukapabra 12 June 2012 15: 35
      +1
      Quote: Bort Radist
      So the roots of the Russian character and spirit are clearly present there.
      And I think they are hoping that friends will not give up!

      Better not remember t / c / except pi ... lei in this war, the Syrians did not get anything. I'm not saying that it was 37 years ago and all your acquaintances of the Syrians have long been retired laughing
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 12 June 2012 20: 08
        +2
        From father to son ....... I have not seen either Suvorov or Kutuzov alive either. I heard a lot about my fellow soldiers and tried to use their experience. And experience, the son of difficult mistakes. "The appearance in northern Lebanon and in the Bekaa valley of regular Syrian troops, and subsequently missile air defense units, significantly changed the strategic balance of forces in the Middle East not in favor of Israel and caused its sharp reaction. Syria, first of all solving its own military-political tasks, managed to stop the civil war in Lebanon in 1976. The world lasted for almost 2 years. "Syria came close to the Israeli border, they did not like it very much. So there is no need to write, dear, you were definitely not there. And don't touch the veterans. They fought for the Motherland, unlike you.
        1. chukapabra
          chukapabra 12 June 2012 21: 21
          -2
          Quote: Bort Radist
          "The appearance in northern Lebanon and in the Bekaa valley of regular Syrian troops, and subsequently missile air defense units, significantly changed the strategic balance of forces in the Middle East not in favor of Israel and caused its sharp reaction

          Why not call a spade a spade, they were simply destroyed, and then a sharp reaction. And after that, Syrian air defenses were no longer there.
          Quote: Bort Radist
          Syria, solving primarily its own military-political tasks, managed in 1976 to stop the civil war in Lebanon.

          Unleashed by the Palestinians who came to Lebanon after Assad Papa killed them (along with Hussein (from Jordan) who kicked them out for attempting a coup.)
          They did not stop the war, Israel stopped the volley by throwing Arafat’s gang to Tunisia (after Arafat faded, the war died out itself), and they simply turned Lebanon into their puppet. Lebanon, in general, in the normal sense, is not a state, but an incomprehensibly amorphous entity.
          Quote: Bort Radist
          "Syria came close to the border of Israel, they really did not like it

          Yes, we’re on the drum, why don’t we need Assad to be dropped, because with him and Assad-dad, the border has been the most calm of any incident for more than 30 years. They cease to understand that if you rock the boat in full time.
          Quote: Bort Radist
          And do not touch the veterans. They fought for their homeland, unlike you.

          Where did you fight? In Syria? And is this for the homeland? What is your strange homeland.
          By the way, I served in the army, unlike you.
          1. Bort radist
            Bort radist 13 June 2012 19: 57
            -1
            For the motherland, this is not always at the border or territory of the state. There is such a thing - a sphere of interests. In Spain, Angola, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, ........... this is all for the Motherland.
            PS When I write "from our regiment" these are my memories. Military unit 06965.
  7. vladimir64ss
    vladimir64ss 12 June 2012 11: 42
    +6
    The stubborn glances of amers are amazing. The faces of their leaders express only stupid aggression, incapable of compromise. In the position on Syria, more firmness is needed. And that their liberals would not indulge.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 12 June 2012 12: 01
      +7
      Quote: vladimir64ss
      The stubborn glances of amers amaze

      A colleague, few people know that the largest gas fields between Homs and Damascus have been discovered in Syria. Therefore, the United States and its allies are faced with the question of changing the regime in this country to a friendly one for themselves. Or try to tear part of the territory from Syria. That's where the ears of stubborn aggression grow ...
      1. chukapabra
        chukapabra 12 June 2012 15: 38
        -7
        Quote: Tersky
        A colleague, few people know that the largest gas fields between Homs and Damascus have been discovered in Syria.

        Indeed, few people know (where did you just get this, a link to the source pliz). Where in fact large gas fields are actually discovered, it is in Israel, and as you understand, for this America does not need to fight fool
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 12 June 2012 17: 12
          +7
          Quote: chukapabra
          where did you just get this, a link to the source pliz)

          Google to the rescue:. On 16 on August 2011, the Syrian Minister of Oil announced the opening of a gas well in Kara, near Homs. Its productivity can reach 400 000 cubic meters per day (140 million cubic meters per year) .... http: //madmollusc.livejournal.com/130228.html
          1. chukapabra
            chukapabra 12 June 2012 21: 22
            -6
            Quote: Tersky
            Its productivity can reach 400 cubic meters per day (000 million cubic meters per year), .... http: //madmollusc.livejournal.com/140.html

            And is that a lot? Is it worth fighting for it? It’s funny.
    2. Gur
      Gur 12 June 2012 13: 26
      +10
      I think that everything is already lost for Syria. And she (Syria) is simply a pity. These creatures, (the tongue does not turn to be rebels) had to be crushed in the bud, and not play giveaways. After all, the lessons of Libya are not the business of bygone years, this is right before our eyes. The only way out for the world and Syria is to divert the attention of the Anglo-Saxons, or a global catastrophe, or terrible terrorist attacks in Europe, the Arab League, the United States. So that it would be clear to them bitches that the war is scary and painful, and no one will be able to avoid its consequences. And while these scum will be distracted, strangle all scum. How can we still help Syria ??? Send troops ?? And protect our guys by the deaths of those who should do this for themselves ?? And then what? We are no longer the USSR, that idea of ​​a universal brotherhood of all enslaved peoples is no longer there. And our borders have already moved to the flesh to the doors of the offices of officials, those who sell, betray and rob their own country and people. For your own paradise on earth (Anglo-Saxons) selling everything to pieces, from kindergartens to the army and space. And it’s not so scary to be surrounded by enemies from all sides, (we have already gone through this) as wormholes on our own body.
      1. max73
        max73 12 June 2012 13: 34
        +2
        comrade, only the inner circle remains ... i.e. former Soviet Union .... if they, like AZ Georgia, behave, then get ready ... on the one hand, NATO, on the other - China .... then all your Wahhabis will try to tear apart our homeland from the submission of both of them. .. make your own conclusions
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 12 June 2012 13: 49
          -6
          I also remember when the Baltic countries went to Nato, everyone was hysterical that war was coming soon, Nato was at the borders and what ??
          The same and Syria will surrender and Iran and nothing will change !!
          Russia is a self-sufficient country with a nuclear club for the dull))
          1. max73
            max73 12 June 2012 13: 53
            +4
            The club is good - when the enemy is obvious ... and when they are corroding from the inside? how to be
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 12 June 2012 13: 58
              +3
              Mach, this is your civil society must decide what to do !!
              And who eats ?? corrupt officials ?? You do not know what to do with them ??
              1. chukapabra
                chukapabra 12 June 2012 15: 42
                -5
                Quote: Yarbay
                Mach, this is your civil society must decide what to do !!
                And who eats ?? corrupt officials ?? You do not know what to do with them ??


                You can’t say better ++++++++++
            2. Odinplys
              Odinplys 13 June 2012 06: 09
              0
              Quote: max73
              ubinka is good - when the enemy is obvious ... and when they are corroding from the inside? how to be


              The lessons of Stalin ... benefited ... in due time ...
      2. chukapabra
        chukapabra 12 June 2012 15: 41
        -8
        Quote: GUR
        The only way out for the world and Syria is to divert the attention of the Anglo-Saxons, or a global catastrophe, or terrible terrorist attacks in Europe, the Arab League, the United States. So that it would be clear to them bitches that the war is scary and painful, and no one will be able to avoid its consequences

        Or maybe it’s easier to remove Assad without changing the regime? Or do you really want civilians to perish in terrorist attacks in Europe? In Syria, civil war and the preconditions of it are also inside the country, Assad is one of them
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 12 June 2012 15: 53
          -2
          You know better than me that politics and diplomacy are often simply signs at first! When the Western countries began to withdraw their embassies from Syria, for I think the most inarticulate person in politics it became clear that Assad was doomed and did not want to deal with him, it was open message!
          This means that they will not rush. But they will never recognize Assad!
        2. 11Goor11
          11Goor11 12 June 2012 19: 42
          +3
          chukapabra:
          Or maybe it’s easier to remove Assad without changing the regime?


          The point is not Assad, but destabilization, "THEY" ALREADY achieved their main goal - the civil war has already begun. Even if Assad retains some part of power, and the bloody lawlessness continues in the country, they are already satisfied with this.
          After all, Syria is only a stepping stone to Iran.
        3. Gur
          Gur 13 June 2012 09: 35
          0
          As you say, let's ruffle the United States and everything in the world will be calm. The pretentiousness of a number of countries in relation to others will fall sharply, and Assad and a number of other countries will restore order in their countries, as they see fit. After all, in fact, these are their countries. No, I don't want civilians to die, no matter where. But!! If a number of countries that support extremists, for the sake of their fat peaceful existence, and the "peaceful" population of the same countries agrees with this, then they should also feel what "democratization" for the sake of hydrocarbons means. Why is the peaceful people suffering for this, those countries that are attracted to the West, and have the misfortune to have these hydrocarbons ?? You are sure that this is only about Assad, the point is not even him, the fact is that the West and the United States need destabilization in the BV, and in this then muddy water to get their benefits. No, there is no civil war. There is a terrorist war prepared and fueled by the West and the United States.
  8. Murai
    Murai 12 June 2012 11: 48
    +2
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    trying to use the chance to drive the world into the third world war and maintain their hegemony. Let's see how this performance ends.

    It seems clear to everyone that the war in Syria is inevitable, the United States has gone too far to retreat just like Putin, my opinion will not recede. Most likely the performance will end with World War 3.
    1. Yozek
      Yozek 12 June 2012 12: 20
      +4
      You talk so easily about World War III! Like you have nothing to lose.

      Amer will not openly fight with us, now is not the 41st, and we are no longer a red threat to all the free peoples of Middle-earth. But the economic war has already begun. Personally, my opinion is that the global financial crisis has been thoroughly thought out by the United States in order to weaken everyone else. Of course, in any war no victims can be dispensed with, they are in the USA. That's just the planned victims.
      1. Murai
        Murai 12 June 2012 13: 24
        +2
        Quote: Yozek
        You talk so easily about World War III! Like you have nothing to lose.

        The point is not that I (and everyone else) have nothing to lose or have nothing to do, but how we (the country) should act in a specific situation, because there is a systematic destruction of all Russia's allies in the world and will soon get to us, even if we sit quietly raising the legs. As one great commander said, "He is not a hero who thinks about the consequences"
        Amer will not openly fight with us, now is not the 41st, and we are no longer a red threat

        We are the No. 1 threat to the United States and the only country that they are afraid of and capable of destroying them, and if they don’t fight us now, Russia, which is becoming stronger every year, will bring them more problems in the future (in their opinion).
        1. Yozek
          Yozek 12 June 2012 15: 19
          -6
          Quote: Murai
          there is a systematic destruction of all the allies of Russia


          Was Libya our ally? What about Syria? Since when is she our ally? I will answer you - from the moment when NATO pressed it. Yes, he and Kadaffi and Assad kissed and fraternized stronger than us, because then it was beneficial to NATO. Similarly, now it is beneficial for Russia to be an ally of Syria, at least in words. It is only necessary to find this benefit. Who cares, let him search, analyze. And not only the propaganda of the first channel about how our original allies are being killed.

          Quote: Murai
          We are the No. 1 threat to the United States and the only country that they fear and that has the power to destroy them


          But this is nonsense. China is the main threat. The second economy of the world, 1 billion 350 million of the population, the communist regime with an allergy to Western democracy. And the fact that we have nuclear weapons, so it is with China.
    2. Odinplys
      Odinplys 13 June 2012 06: 17
      -1
      Quote: Murai
      It seems clear to everyone that the war in Syria is inevitable, the United States has gone too far to retreat just like Putin, my opinion will not recede. Most likely the performance will end with World War 3.


      And there is no need to retreat ... the war is in any case not inevitable ... to be sure that China will not betray ... and as Gagarin said ... let's go ...
  9. Yozek
    Yozek 12 June 2012 12: 00
    -10
    And who said that NATO restrains the position of Russia and China. The United States is definitely pulling until the presidential elections, and we decided that they were afraid of us. And it's not a fact that Romney, after becoming president, will immediately deal with Syria. Putin is just making good use of the pre-election hesitancy of the United States. When the US bully is silent, our voice immediately sounds louder. We shout "do not dare to shoot" and "we will tear for brother." Personally, the fraternal Syrian people are not even fraternal to me. And to Putin too.
  10. Vadim-ragalevich
    Vadim-ragalevich 12 June 2012 12: 04
    +4
    "... does Russia today have the resources and strength to withstand the ever-increasing pressure from the West? How will this confrontation turn out for us?"
    But this note at the end of the article is not entirely clear to me. What is this, an unobtrusive hint - to fold your paws, bow your head and humbly wait for your fate? In the history of our state (USSR. Russia) there were times and harder. And nothing, we did it! And now we will exhale! Only with the "adversaries" it would be necessary to be tougher. Attempts to come to an agreement, to solve everything by peace, they perceive as our weakness. And do not deceive yourself with illusions about world brotherhood, about European integration, etc.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 12 June 2012 22: 31
      +2
      Quote: Vadim-Ragalevich
      But this note at the end of the article is not entirely clear to me. What is this, an unobtrusive hint - to fold your paws, bow your head and humbly wait for your fate? In the history of our state (USSR. Russia) there were times and harder. And nothing, we did it! And now we will exhale! Only with the "adversaries" it would be necessary to be tougher. Attempts to come to an agreement, to solve everything by peace, they perceive as our weakness. And do not deceive yourself with illusions about world brotherhood, about European integration, etc.
      - did not read, posted below similar. A plus. I also really did not like this resume at the end.
  11. OSTAP BENDER
    OSTAP BENDER 12 June 2012 12: 07
    -5
    And how do you like this news! Today they stopped the last weapons-grade plutonium reactor in the city of Zheleznogorsk! And the Americans set aside 400 mil. dale!
  12. sergo0000
    sergo0000 12 June 2012 12: 09
    +4
    Quote: Murai
    . Most likely the performance will end with World War 3.

    Well, it’s already going on! True, it’s not yet in our territory. You just need to see the national composition and countries supplying weapons to the militants!
    1. OSTAP BENDER
      OSTAP BENDER 12 June 2012 12: 15
      +4
      sergoOOOO! There is also on our territory, the squeals of the opposition, the castration of the army, the shutdown of reactors! These are all links of one chain! I'd love to make a mistake!
  13. Professor
    Professor 12 June 2012 13: 20
    -6
    In addition to the West, Qatar is among the “friends of Syria”. For Qatar, the dismantling of Syria is an opportunity to lay a gas pipeline, go to the Mediterranean Sea and increase the sale of gas. The West would have had its winnings in that case - weakening the position of the Russian Federation with the help of the “gas line”.

    They made me laugh. What is stopping Qatar from bringing a pipe to the Mediterranean Sea through Jordan and Israel?
    1. OSTAP BENDER
      OSTAP BENDER 12 June 2012 13: 40
      +2
      And they don’t trust Jews in Qatar, like that !!!!
      1. Professor
        Professor 12 June 2012 13: 46
        0
        Firstly, Qatar and Israel, despite the absence of diplomatic relations, have fairly developed economic ties. In particular, sales offices have been opened.
        Secondly, Jordan and Isaril signed a peace treaty and developed economic ties.
        And thirdly, the Washington Regional Committee would order and everyone there would begin to trust each other (Qatar, Jordan and Israel).
        1. OSTAP BENDER
          OSTAP BENDER 12 June 2012 13: 54
          0
          About the regional committee, I agree, but someday it will end!
          1. Professor
            Professor 12 June 2012 13: 59
            -6
            Empires rise and fall. We will not witness the sunset of the United States.
            1. OSTAP BENDER
              OSTAP BENDER 12 June 2012 14: 04
              +5
              Hope to see it!
              1. Professor
                Professor 12 June 2012 14: 07
                -8
                If you are 13 years old and you will live 120 years, then maybe this grandiose event will be caught. However, history teaches us that the next empire can be much worse than the previous one.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 12 June 2012 14: 13
                  -2
                  Professor of this, you are absolutely right !!
                2. fern
                  fern 12 June 2012 16: 57
                  +2
                  What does not happen in our life ...
                3. aksakal
                  aksakal 12 June 2012 22: 34
                  +7
                  Quote: Professor
                  If you are 13 years old and you will live 120 years, then maybe this grandiose event will be caught. However, history teaches us that the next empire can be much worse than the previous one.
                  - Hinting that the Russian Empire will be worse? For you and your state - it is quite possible. laughing For the sane states, pursuing an equal policy and devoid of unreasonable imperial ambitions, the situation will be better, and much more laughing
                  1. sergo0000
                    sergo0000 13 June 2012 06: 26
                    +2
                    aksakal,
                    +
                    Well, we’ll be sure! Without the imperial ambitions of Amers, we’ll definitely not be worse!
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 12 June 2012 14: 08
              0
              You may be right, but that will happen someday!
              Professor You look better today)))
              1. Bort radist
                Bort radist 12 June 2012 20: 19
                +4
                The USSR collapsed overnight, do not promise for the states. The lady is wayward.
            3. recitatorus
              recitatorus 12 June 2012 15: 22
              +11
              Quote: Professor
              Empires rise and fall. We will not witness the sunset of the USA

              I don’t know if we will catch the sunset of the American empire, but the fact that we will definitely see its rebirth does not raise doubts. And this rebirth will be in the brutal direction.
            4. Oleg0705
              Oleg0705 12 June 2012 20: 16
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              We will not witness the sunset of the United States.


              you definitely won’t roll together wink
    2. Oleg0705
      Oleg0705 12 June 2012 20: 03
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      What is stopping Qatar from pulling a pipe to the Mediterranean Sea


      a couple of point strikes
      1. Oleg0705
        Oleg0705 12 June 2012 20: 34
        0
        oh consultant consultant only dirty tricks you are capable of bully
  14. maestro123
    maestro123 12 June 2012 14: 37
    +3
    If you let it go by itself, so much shit will flow to us ...
  15. NauruS
    NauruS 12 June 2012 14: 56
    +7
    Syria must not be surrendered in any case, otherwise we ourselves will soon receive PPC !! will be overhauled by bases around the entire perimeter and then Russia will really face the dismemberment and loss of sovereignty !! need to stop ov now before it's too late!
    1. Vito
      Vito 12 June 2012 16: 40
      +5
      NauruS, Greetings. Let me hit YOUR mug! drinks FOR SYRIA!
    2. chukapabra
      chukapabra 13 June 2012 11: 26
      0
      Quote: NauruS
      Syria must not be surrendered in any case, otherwise we ourselves will soon receive PPC

      A bill has been submitted to the US Senate to repeal the Jackson-Vanik amendment and normalize trade relations with Russia. The group of senators who introduced the bill proposes to grant Russia the status of a country with which the United States has "permanent normal trade relations." This will allow the United States to increase its exports to Russia and create new jobs, Radio Liberty reports.


      how, interestingly, will Russia's attitude to Syria and Iran change? Or someone thinks there is no connection laughing
  16. alex13st
    alex13st 12 June 2012 16: 56
    +3
    Recently, watching the media, I understand that the masks have been dropped. Everyone plays in the open. And the diplomatic language, as before, is simply inappropriate. I hope that our Foreign Ministry and the President know what they are doing, because otherwise the retribution will be severe. The fate of Syria and Iran has already been decided in the course. The only question is how expensive they will sell themselves and what kind of experience we will gain and draw conclusions or not. Syria and Iran - weapons and military advisers, and the Ministry of Defense specialists and patriots, not managers-"optimizers".
  17. AK-74-1
    AK-74-1 12 June 2012 17: 01
    +1
    We need to wish patience to the Syrian people and their government and in all available and possible ways to try to solve the problem for the benefit of Russia.
  18. Strashila
    Strashila 12 June 2012 19: 06
    +2
    Say not so many years ago that Muslims would crush Muslims ... would laugh. And what we are observing ... crush, and with what enthusiasm. And who we have the winner of these battles ... correctly Israel. The movement of Muslims under with the green banner of the Dollar, it has significantly strengthened the position of this state. Who will present territorial claims ... there are no right ones. Who will help a neighbor in the event of aggression ... there are no right ones. The monarchies of the Middle East have surrendered everyone who has ensured their quiet life for the last decades ... the question is how much they will stretch ... There is no Egypt, no Libya, no Iraq, Syria and Iran they themselves are crushing with such a joyful outburst ... they won’t be ... and who will cover their priests ... They have oil and by definition Congress, they already have dictators oppressing their people and needing speedy democratization.
    1. Eraser
      Eraser 12 June 2012 19: 45
      0
      Come on, Iraq-Iran crushed each other for 10 years, Iraq occupied Kuwait, and I generally keep quiet about coups and civil wars.
    2. igor67
      igor67 12 June 2012 19: 54
      +1
      Strashila,
      1970-1991
      Muslim uprising in the southern Philippines

      1970.01.20
      Iran's border conflict with Iraq

      1970.01.20
      Attempted military coup in Iraq

      1970.02-1971.06
      Armed conflict with Palestinians in Jordan

      1971.07.10
      Attempted military coup in Morocco

      1971.07.19-21
      Uprising in Sudan

      1971.08
      Border Conflict Between Syria and Jordan


      1973.03.2-7
      Uprising in Southern Morocco

      1973.03.20-21
      Border Conflict Between Iraq and Kuwait

      1973.04.08
      Occupation of Sikkim by India

      1973.05.2-8
      Border conflict between Lebanon and Syria

      1973.06.30
      Unsuccessful attempted military coup in Iraq

      1973.07.17
      Afghanistan military coup


      1970.09.19-23
      The conflict between Jordan and Syria
  19. Imp
    Imp 12 June 2012 19: 33
    +4
    Syria needs to be supported by all possible forces, in fact, our own security is being protected there. They want to turn it from one of the most calm and friendly countries in Russia into another hotbed of terrorism and a bridgehead for the further expansion of Wahhabism. Well, the money and weapons that are now going for the militants in Syria, in the event of its defeat, may already go to the militants in our country.
  20. aksakal
    aksakal 12 June 2012 22: 27
    +5
    "By the way: One can agree with many in the position of experts. However, questions remain: Does Russia today have the resources and forces to withstand the ever-increasing pressure of the West? What will this confrontation turn for us?"- it sounds as if" is there the strength to live? "When life is at stake, what does it have to do with the resources? What kind of doubts do you have? No resources - so we will find it. No strength - we will find it. We found it, and then we will find it. Well, with those who say that they, like, agree to victory over the West, but not at the cost of even the slightest deterioration in my welfare, there was only one conversation in those terrible years, the years of the Second World War ... it must be remembered that this experience is simply an invaluable experience.
  21. vezunchik
    vezunchik 12 June 2012 23: 17
    +4
    Putin has no choice. Even if he compromises with the West, this will not save him, he will be destroyed and this was declared openly. And the hatred of the United States in Russia is very strong. Many men will fight in case of conflict
  22. IGR
    IGR 12 June 2012 23: 48
    +3
    The article is negative, but honest. Authors plus for not being biased. Over the past week, Syria has been discussed in all poses at the VO.
    It is gratifying that among the comrades participating in the discussion, there are fewer and fewer "one-time patriots" who decide everything in one phrase.
    And increasingly, questions are being raised about what will happen next, about the choice of the President, about the consequences, about our compatriots, about the Soviet heritage in the Arab world.
    Is it the case in Syria?
  23. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 13 June 2012 15: 49
    +1
    "... but does Russia today have the resources and strength to resist the ever-increasing pressure from the West? How will this confrontation turn out for us? ..."

    What a stupid question, it’s known how it will end, as usual, sooner or later the west will knock the bottom out of excess pressure from the west ...