Avant-garde passions: a present under the Christmas tree

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A few days ago held a regular start, the last before the statement on combat duty in the next year, the first regiment of the combat missile systems (DBK) RVSN 15P771 "Vanguard" with IDB 15A35-71 and controlled maneuvering and planning aeroballistic hypersonic combat equipment (AGBO) 15YU71. The regiment will be adopted at first in a reduced composition, as usual, they will first introduce 2 silo, then 6, and then 9 or 10. The tests took place and were recognized as fully successful in all respects. Considering the participation in this event of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin and his wide media coverage, his speech about the “best gift for the Christmas tree” and the speeches of various leaders involved in the event, interest in Avangard escalated to the same extent as in the spring, after the memorable speech to the Federal Assembly. Of course, from all the cracks, like cockroaches, various “experts” and “commentators” climbed, especially from one non-fraternal territory, and the Western media could not help but add idiocy to the discussion.





For example, various “Ukrainian experts” and simply “conscientious and non-living” liberals in their Facebook community tried to ridicule the statement that the speed of 15Ü71 is up to 27М (Mach numbers, speeds of sound). They say, how is it that almost 9 km / s is obtained, greater than the first cosmic velocity, the device would go into orbit, and not chaotically maneuver in dense layers of the atmosphere (even 60-100km are already dense layers) in height and course. Like, "political adviser lies."

But the victims of the Bologna system forget that the speed of sound at different altitudes is different, and at that altitude where the hypersonic gliding BB is flying, and this, say, 80-100 km, is completely different than on the ground - not 330- 340 m / s and, say, on 80 km there will be 282 m / s, and 27M will be on the order of 7,6 km / s, and the first space velocity will be at this height 7,85. In addition, people forget that this is an ICBM, and the speed of any BB ICBM when launched at a solid intercontinental range also approaches the first space one. And it is not so important, whether it is a launch using conventional ballistics, a flat energy-intensive trajectory, or we have AGPO. In addition, it is not indicated which part of the speed 15Ü71 reaches 27M, maybe immediately after separation with the carrier, or at the stage of diving into the atmosphere, and then the speed will vary from this value to 20M, and with the entrance to the troposphere at the final section , before the explosion, and much less. As a matter of fact, there is no difference how many Machs are there, combined with the unpredictable maneuvering of the glider at the rate and height, you still can’t do anything with it, even if the enemy had a missile defense capable of actually working on the BB ICBM and SLBM of intercontinental range. But the task of the "ridicule" is not in this; their task is to question any success of the country and its leadership. However, with regard to the idiotic assessments, the Western media these days are no better than the saucepan and white-headed alternatively gifted "specialists" in rocket production.

For example, there was a gem stating that in order to intercept one AGGB Avangard, "no less than 50 SM-3 interceptor would be needed"! Why not 1000? Approximately the same efficiency will be in this case. Even if the unit did not maneuver, but was a normal intercontinental BB, it would be possible to spend at least all SM-3 of all existing blocks (1А, 1В, 2А) released by the American industry - well, these anti-missiles cannot knock down anything but BRMD / BRSD, and far from all. Intercepting a falling satellite can also be ignored as an example; orbital targets are much simpler than falling ones in ballistics, not to mention AGFO. But the western man in the street doesn’t know these subtleties, he won’t dig into the SM-3 test reports, although it’s easy to find them, and he will swallow the lies about the 50 missiles with a bang. After all, from this another conclusion suggests itself: it is necessary to produce several thousand antimissiles and everything will be fine. In general, do not hide your money in banks and corners. No, 1000 ants won't overwhelm an anteater. But in this case they will help financially necessary and good people from corporations.

The well-known channel CNBC distinguished itself, more than once delighting us with its "insights" about the latest strategic weapons of Russia, allegedly from American intelligence (if that's all true from there, then Langley slipped to the level of the SBU). Somehow their pearls were already dismantled here, but this time the guys outdid themselves. They told about successful and unsuccessful tests of hypersonic RCC and AGBO, confusing the truth with their own fairy tales, or about imaginary problems with materials for making the same Avant-garde, or even asserted this fall that "Russia will not be able to create a hypersonic weapon", although it was already created by that moment long ago. Now they have completely agreed to the fact that the speed of 15Ü71, they say, is not 20-27М, but only 5. Again, it’s not possible to say that they don’t tell a grain of truth - speed can to be comparable when the block has already slowed down in the troposphere and is above the target, but at this moment usually a small but very warm sun lights up in the sky.

Reluctantly, but Western media and officials admit that "there is no protection from Avangard", but this is manipulation again - they don’t have protection from the usual old Topol, which is actively removed from service and soon the whole will be replaced by Yars. Sometime, maybe it will. And this manipulation is also aimed at calming down his philistine, they say, well, only from this protection and no. And from everything else, we have GMD with GBI and destroyers with SM-3.

But worse than the non-brotherly "officers' daughters," of course, there is no one. Crowds of “daughters of aerodynamics”, “grandchildren of engineers” and other riffraffers crawl out of Twitter, sprinkling saliva and screaming, and they prove that it’s impossible to fly at such speeds in the atmosphere, they say. What can you say? The crisis of education in the neighboring territory began long before 2014, and now they are simply reaping its benefits in the form of such "analysts", "experts" everywhere and kopitoruki "volunteers" who are trying to construct something on their knees ATO ". The higher nervous activity inside the skull of such characters is limited only by the centers of physical activity and speech, but memory and thinking simply do not work.

A character surpassed everyone, who said that "the American reconnaissance satellites did not record a launch or a defeat on Kamchatka that day." Well, yes, there is no Avangard, everything is filmed at Mosfilm, as is the Crimean Bridge. Although it is precisely the reconnaissance satellites (species, say, intelligence) that they could not record anything - no one conducts tests during their passage, and they are not adapted for such tasks. The first echelon satellites of EWS are engaged in fixing the rocket launch, what do we have, what do we have. What they saw there is an interesting question. Acceleration of the ICBM should have been seen, but the device itself, when it dived into dense layers, is no longer, or very insecure. Of course, the American intelligence community generously shared information about its failure with a kind of Ukrainian network fool.

But if the cards were a little different, then after all the “Avant-garde” and the truth now could not be. Leave behind the brackets that there would be another device, say, a previous generation or a new one, but at a different time. Indeed, as Deputy Prime Minister Borisov said, 2014 discussed the question of what to do with the program, which was not very successful at that time, but it was decided to give industry and science a chance, which the chief designer of the system asked the supreme commander, and, they say, it worked. What is it about?

As we remember, the 15Ü71 is not the first generation of such controlled maneuvering combat equipment of the Strategic Missile Forces, but the first serial one. “Zero” at the beginning of 80 was UBB 15Ф178 for “Governor”, ​​which was not brought, then was “Albatross” at the end of 80, then in 90 and “zero” and right up to 2010 was already flown by the immediate ancestor - 15Ü70, including at the well-known strategic exercises 2004, when Putin announced the creation of such weapons in Russia. And only then, from 27 December 2011, - 15Ü71. The first launch was successful, then in 2013 and 2015 there were at least two unsuccessful start-ups, one, however, due to the ICBM, and not the unit itself - the older XBNUMXX15 MBRs took all the tests, because the rocket is still in its original configuration is on combat duty, although it is already actively replaced by the mine "Yars-S". But the accident of the carrier itself happened in 35, but in 2015 there was an accident of the AGBO itself 2013Ü15, and probably some serious problem was identified that threatened the entire project. But then they decided to continue the project (by the way, it was possible to return to "71," but, apparently, the best is the enemy of the good, and did not do it), and in 70, real success came, two start-ups in a row with full confirmation given TTX. True, CNBC assured that there was still an emergency launch in 2016, but we already know what the "insiders" of this channel are worth. In 2017, a test was scheduled, but due to a detected problem, it was canceled and rescheduled for this year. That's the whole "failure". And this year the success was again confirmed, although the contract for the supply of Avangard DBK 2017P15 was already signed and executed by that time.

Total: since 2011 took place at a minimum, because it is impossible to exclude undeclared launches, including successful tests, 6 or 7, and successful ones from them 4 (there is unreliable information, for example, about a partially unsuccessful launch of 2014, and not only it). However, we do not know which of the various special carrier launches (K-65МР and Topol-E) from Kapustin Yar to the Balkhash test site were related to this topic, if they were, because in parallel, there was the creation of new non-maneuvering unobtrusive BB, the newest KSP PRO - a complex of means of overcoming, guaranteeing a breakthrough of a PRO in any conditions and so on. Some tasks could be worked out there.

Well, this is the usual thorny way to create rocket technology and military equipment in general. Sometime, maybe years through 20, about the peripetia of creating the first complexes of hypersonic weapons - Avangard, Anchar-RV, Zircon, Dagger and a number of other samples, they will make documentaries and write books. Perhaps there is also a director who could make something that is at least a little short of "Taming the Fire" - after all, the topic is, in general, a very worthy perpetuation to the cinema. But, given the state of our cinema, it’s probably faster to wait for the creation of a starship in Russia. It’s a pity, because what these people did when they continued to work in 90-s and at the beginning of 2000-s, except as a feat, and not to name it. And not only in the field of rocket production, in almost any area of ​​the defense industry, where Russia is now making a leap. New missiles, anti-missiles, air defense missile systems, platforms "Armata" and "Kurganets-25", SAU "Coalition-SV" and much more that will ensure the guaranteed security of Russia in our increasingly insane world.

So it is better not to refuse such “gifts under the Christmas tree”, the consequences of the absence of these gifts can be painfully expensive. Happy New Year, 2019, dear readers! I am sure that in the new year other similar valuable gifts are waiting for us. Including very unexpected.
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  1. +24
    30 December 2018 05: 37
    Successful tests of the Vanguard purely psychologically enter into a stupor of our opponents ... now it’s impossible to even fight with Russia without a nuclear weapon ... The Vanguard will quickly sober up everyone who will be in command posts of the enemy’s troops and in the White House of the United States ... increased ... the probability of an attack on Russia has decreased ... a good New Year gift to the people of our country ... my congratulations to all participants in the creation of this powerful weapon. hi
    1. +15
      30 December 2018 06: 13
      I agree on everything!
      Except one thing: not all people understand. Someone's belly, or stable work thereof, is more critical and more important than new weapons. Standing, no doubt, break through the money. But such are still a minority, which cannot but rejoice.
      Thanks for the article! Useful, necessary and informative article!
      1. +17
        30 December 2018 08: 27
        Do not forget that without this you can lose everything, and good and not so. How can I not remember my grandmother, her kingdom of heaven, seeing my grandson young, strong and quietly saying: if only there was no war.
        1. +17
          30 December 2018 08: 59
          Quote: Rusland
          How can I not remember my grandmother, her kingdom of heaven, seeing my grandson young, strong and quietly saying: if only there was no war.

          So say, I think, many of our women: my grandmothers, my mother said, my wife speaks now

          And my grandfather said that "June 22 should never happen again!"

          For this, Russia and its defense industry are working ..
          Especially,
          in our increasingly crazy world.
      2. +8
        30 December 2018 12: 10
        Quote: Carpenter 2329
        Someone's belly, or stable work thereof, is more critical and more important than new weapons. Standing, no doubt, break through the money. But such are still a minority, which cannot but rejoice.

        Everything is correct. For protection, you can endure. But how does it happen that the "belts are tightened" by the common people, while officials-senators-deputies at this time fabulously enriched themselves, build palaces for themselves, adopt the stupidest and most harmful laws, simultaneously allowing themselves insane statements? If we are to resist hostile forces, then all together. Otherwise: "Pension reform is a necessary measure." Uh-huh. The same forced as the purchase of yachts and overseas villas for oligarchs and propagandists.
      3. +6
        30 December 2018 12: 45
        Quote: Carpenter 2329
        I agree on everything!

        That's right!
        A separate respect for the author for the "victims of the Bologna system" laughing
        Himself, in old age, have to teach young people how to use technology and observe such victims.
        But, unlike many people who write on Facebook, especially those who are in the square, our people at least understand that they are victims and are trying to improve.
      4. -2
        30 December 2018 19: 09
        Quote: Carpenter 2329
        I agree on everything!

        =========
        good But I'm not in everything !!! The author believes that 50 "anti-missiles" will not be enough .... Well, even if enough???? Well, WHAT of this ??? If Avangardov is planned to be installed on the database 30 (Total thirty!!) ..... HOW MANY will it take "anti-missiles" to intercept them GUARANTEED ?? A simple calculation shows: 1.5 thousand (Fifteen hundred!!!) ....
        And what are they going to Other to shoot down warheads ?? "Finger (21st) wassat ??
        1. 0
          1 January 2019 12: 48
          How did simple calculations do?
    2. -4
      30 December 2018 09: 50
      Quote: The same Lech
      Successful tests of the Vanguard purely psychologically enter into a stupor of our opponents ... now it’s impossible to even fight with Russia without a nuclear weapon ... The Vanguard will quickly sober up everyone who will be in command posts of the enemy’s troops and in the White House of the United States ... increased ... the probability of an attack on Russia has decreased ... a good New Year gift to the people of our country ... my congratulations to all participants in the creation of this powerful weapon. hi

      Well, how are the kids right. Now there is a simpler but more effective weapon, the dollar.
      Buying everything in the country. You write your laws and calmly milk this country.
      And also, as in our case, you will organize a private shop on the territory and give it a name like that of this country.
      1. +11
        30 December 2018 10: 58
        And my grandmother (she died in 87, her kingdom is heavenly) for everything so that nothing bad happens in the country (something has risen in price there, or is not available in stores ... etc.), she said: "This is nonsense, how - we will survive ... If only there was no war. " Grandfather died in August 43, and she was left alone with two children ... War, hunger, devastation. How they survived all this, our grandmothers, "raised" our fathers and mothers, it is incomprehensible to the mind.

        But history repeats itself, there was a terrible tragedy - this is a war ... And when I was the age of my grandfather who died at the front, a farce came - "the victory of democracy", collapse, devastation ... The worst thing is that we did it all with our own hands, out of the blue. And even though in the 90s we did not survive even the millionth part of what fell to the lot of our grandmothers ... probably, over time, when we are completely old, we will repeat to our great-grandchildren: “If only not liberals and 'friendship' with the West ".
        1. -9
          30 December 2018 11: 42
          Quote: mavrus
          And my grandmother (she died in 87, her kingdom is heavenly) for everything so that nothing bad happens in the country (something has risen in price there, or is not available in stores ... etc.), she said: "This is nonsense, how - we will survive ... If only there was no war. " Grandfather died in August 43, and she was left alone with two children ... War, hunger, devastation. How they survived all this, our grandmothers, "raised" our fathers and mothers, it is incomprehensible to the mind.

          But history repeats itself, there was a terrible tragedy - this is a war ... And when I was the age of my grandfather who died at the front, a farce came - "the victory of democracy", collapse, devastation ... The worst thing is that we did it all with our own hands, out of the blue. And even though in the 90s we did not survive even the millionth part of what fell to the lot of our grandmothers ... probably, over time, when we are completely old, we will repeat to our great-grandchildren: “If only not liberals and 'friendship' with the West ".

          And they chose the liberal Putin.
        2. -4
          30 December 2018 23: 47
          What is the difference between an "officer's daughter" and a "soldier's grandson"?
      2. +1
        30 December 2018 11: 36
        But what about the world's largest military budget?) Hope for a dollar ...
        1. -5
          30 December 2018 11: 43
          Quote: anykin
          But what about the world's largest military budget?) Hope for a dollar ...

          Business. Nothing personal.
  2. -6
    30 December 2018 06: 04
    The author is clearly in a mortuary state: then he has all the pan-and-headed ones (I’ll cut them all), then he sanely gives out useful information.
  3. -21
    30 December 2018 06: 07
    Purely psychologically, the same Lech, in my opinion, Putin introduced an adequate population of Russia into a stupor, well, it's time to cure the adequacy. I personally do not want such a gift for the New Year. But is Putin normal?
    1. +4
      30 December 2018 06: 18
      Purely psychologically, the same Lech, in my opinion, Putin introduced an adequate population of Russia into a stupor, well, it's time to cure the adequacy. I personally do not want such a gift for the New Year.

      Do not give up. smile
      Putin is a wise man ... heh heh this is Lech Walesa said ... he would only have to make appropriate arguments.
      And so remember the ancient saying ... "To Caesar - Caesar's, and God - God's"
      1. -12
        30 December 2018 06: 24
        I am not discouraged. But many citizens of my country are discouraged. Try to explain to them that the rocket, even with the super prefix on New Year's Eve, is very cool. And Putin didn't have any other "gifts" anymore. And it is unlikely to be found in the coming year, which is why many have already understood.
        1. +1
          30 December 2018 06: 33
          About the absence of the presence of other, "melting in the mouth ..." gifts, one can recall N. Buonaparte: in the sense, about his own and about someone else's army.
          Well, if anyone suffering from hunger, then you can click to cry - to raise funds. Or little things warm. After all, winter is still ...
        2. +14
          30 December 2018 07: 50
          Quote: Atilla
          many citizens of my country are losing heart

          What happened? Can the heating be turned off everywhere? Or electricity? No, in the pipes what is laid is flowing. In the wires too. Maybe the famine is planned? Also no. Ambulance and rescuers will come if that (God forbid of course). Roads are being made and cleaned little by little, trains are running, airplanes are flying. So what? Of course, not everyone can afford a yacht, yes. And this ... like her ... foie gras, here. And the dog with her. New Year will definitely come. The weather seems to be normal ... Let us live ... Yes
        3. +10
          30 December 2018 08: 49
          Quote: Atilla
          I do not lose heart. But fall in spirit many citizens of my country. Here they try to explain what a rocket, even with the prefix super on New Year’s, this is very cool.

          Happy! Most Russians have "our country" and the corresponding citizenship, but you have your own country and your subjects ...
          For all Russians, on New Year's Day, it is better to have an expensive, but "our rocket" than someone else's free ...
      2. +2
        30 December 2018 06: 47
        It’s understandable here, but I think if Putin shows the people a cartoon, how the economic bloc of the government is hung on the shores and will make it on New Year’s, this will be a reality.
    2. +2
      30 December 2018 06: 18
      You, Leader, explain, justify ...
    3. +5
      30 December 2018 08: 47
      Well, my friend, America is with us? Are you from that opera? wink
    4. +3
      30 December 2018 09: 19
      Quote: Atilla
      Purely psychologically, the same Lech, in my opinion, Putin introduced an adequate population of Russia into a stupor, well, it's time to cure the adequacy. I personally do not want such a gift for the New Year. But is Putin normal?

      Atilla, why aren’t you kicking? belay
  4. +5
    30 December 2018 07: 51
    The tests took place and were recognized as fully successful in all respects.

    The news for normal Russians is excellent, I think the designers will be assigned the Heroes of Russia, and they undoubtedly deserve it! good
  5. +3
    30 December 2018 08: 53
    The news is certainly very good ... but what I’m thinking about is that in the future a means of intercepting the Vanguard will be developed. What kind of complex it will be, one can only guess, but I think it will not appear soon. And in this regard, we must look at our complex from the point of view of weaknesses, which would suggest a solution to the interception of the Vanguard. And I think that the Vanguard carrier itself is the weak point today, since after the glider enters an independent flight, it will be practically impossible to intercept it now. Therefore, I think the mattresses will look for a solution that will enable them to destroy the carrier BEFORE undocking the Vanguard. And in this regard, most likely the mattresses will return to a certain analogue of SDI. That is, satellites will intercept. The question is ... laser, rocket ...
    I think our designers will try to minimize the time it takes to separate the Vanguard from the carrier.
    1. 0
      30 December 2018 09: 48
      Yes, and in the event of a mess, the enemy satellites will simply instantly go astray, with the same S-500B4 or Nudol, or something else
      1. 0
        30 December 2018 23: 50
        Quote: Hypersound
        enemy satellites will simply instantly go astray, with the same S-500B4

        Cognitive dissonance in all its glory)))
        1. 0
          2 January 2019 18: 08
          Dreaming is not harmful, even the number of some "S-500V4" was invented.
    2. +4
      30 December 2018 20: 25
      Quote: NEXUS
      Vanguard interception tool will be developed in the future

      This is what happens - now missile defense in Europe is actually against Iran ... wink Yes
      From such a squiggle, you know ... wassat
      1. 0
        31 December 2018 10: 45
        Partners did not lie: D
  6. +1
    30 December 2018 09: 12
    a number of other samples, documentaries and books. Perhaps there will be a director who could shoot something that would at least slightly fall short of "The Taming of the Fire" - after all, the topic, in general, is very worthy of perpetuation in cinema. But given the state of our movieIt’s probably faster to wait for the creation of a starship in Russia.
    Why not? Yes, we can hardly pull a film like "Taming the Fire", but a d / f is quite. Created the same "Armor of Russia", "Cars in uniform" ...
    Armor of Russia. Documentary series (Wings of Russia Studio, A. Kulyasov, 1-5 series) 2009
  7. +6
    30 December 2018 09: 54
    The main contingent of the site simply hates the good news: with a sickle in the balls - after all, everything is rotten, all the traitors (except for them) are plundered.
    1. +1
      30 December 2018 12: 05
      Yes, no, according to my observations, there are quite lovers of good news, and Putin’s supporters !!!
    2. -2
      30 December 2018 23: 52
      Quote: Vsevolod
      The main contingent of the site simply hates the good news: with a sickle in the balls - after all, everything is rotten, all the traitors (except for them) are plundered.

      And the dollar is already 70 ....
      1. +3
        31 December 2018 01: 02
        Quote: Harry.km
        And the dollar is already 70 ....

        Yes, and a bolt on him ... do you "live in dollars"? Your problems, if so ...
        1. +3
          31 December 2018 06: 50
          Quote: Consultant
          do you live in dollars?

          Your comment is already so beaten that it’s not even interesting. But since there is still an opinion that we do not live in dollars, I will allow myself to tell about ourselves)) It is not strange, but I live half in dollars ... I will not talk about oil and gas)) We go to the grocery shop: tangerines, grapefruits, pomegranates. We’ll go to the pharmacy, I’ll skip the list, it’s not interesting to anyone, but it’s very extensive and half is also imported. Then the spring comes ... a drip for the garden, shading nets, fertilizers (those that I prefer). Goods from China (Ali Express, etc.). This is just what I quickly remembered and sketched. Unfortunately, the subject list can go on forever. Well, let alone the fact that there are so many of our products, it’s just an assembly of imported components, you won’t deny it either. So the answer to your rhetorical question is yes. The salary is in rubles, but I live on half in dollars ...
      2. 0
        4 January 2019 18: 49
        Quote: Harry.km
        And the dollar is already 70 ....

        Our exporters rub their hands with joy ...
    3. +1
      31 December 2018 11: 12
      ,, all around traitors (except them)
      The funny thing is that even Ukrainians hang out on this site. And they even write comments. :-) That's for sure, they've missed everything and now they'll bring up others :-)
      1. 0
        2 January 2019 18: 12
        Here it is not necessary to level the Ukrainians all, there are many people who hate power and Ukrainians-Ukrainians.
  8. +1
    30 December 2018 11: 58
    Yes, the main thing is that there would be no production of the union cartoon.
  9. -1
    30 December 2018 14: 19
    The regiment will be accepted at first in abbreviated composition, as usual, they will first introduce 2 silos, then 6, and then 9 or 10

    Author! You wrote, in principle, a calm and realistic review, for which you are a plus, but either it passed your attention, or you did not see this material, but the numbers are from the ceiling. Either the Supreme, or the Minister of Defense have already announced that by 2027 a complex with the Avangard block in the amount of 2 regiments in the positional area of ​​the 13th division will be adopted. And the number of launchers was announced - 12 in two regiments, for the regiments in this PR have 6 silos each.

    Quote: NEXUS
    The news is certainly very good ... but what I’m thinking about is that in the future a means of intercepting the Vanguard will be developed. What kind of complex it will be, one can only guess, but I think it will not appear soon. And in this regard, we must look at our complex from the point of view of weaknesses, which would suggest a solution to the interception of the Vanguard. And I think that the Vanguard carrier itself is the weak point today, since after the glider enters an independent flight, it will be practically impossible to intercept it now. Therefore, I think the mattresses will look for a solution that will enable them to destroy the carrier BEFORE undocking the Vanguard. And in this regard, most likely the mattresses will return to a certain analogue of SDI. That is, satellites will intercept. The question is ... laser, rocket ...
    I think our designers will try to minimize the time it takes to separate the Vanguard from the carrier.

    Andrew! “The question is certainly interesting,” as one friend of mine says, but I think that all this can be solved in a fairly short time. Moreover, we have now frightened their electorate so much with "our" new systems "that I would not be particularly surprised if this financial year they increase their budget by a couple of tens of billions, and next, 2020, they will adopt a budget of 750 billion.

    Of course, the Americans will look for the weak points of the complex, but in this case, the carrier is not a weak point. They seem to have closed the program "Standard SM-6 Block 3B" (it is not clear only, for a while or completely). And other modifications of "Standards" are not intended to intercept ICBMs. Purely theoretically, of course, this could be done, but for this it is necessary that American interceptor missiles be based on Russian territory. And this, they themselves understands, is impossible.

    It is not difficult to intercept the "glider" after separation from the carrier. They currently have GBI-type interceptors deployed in Alaska and California in the number of EMNIP 44 silos (they plan to deploy more). Their performance characteristics are such that they can intercept targets at a distance of 5000 km and at altitudes over 2000 km. After separation, according to the program incorporated in the missile control system, the unit will fly with clearly defined parameters (speed, altitude, flight vector, etc.). Roughly speaking, it will fly in the form of a conventional block along a ballistic trajectory. Judging by the fact that it will be alone on the carrier, it is unlikely that there will be any significant complex for overcoming missile defense, because any false target from such a complex will differ from the parameters of the "glider" flight. So, it will be difficult to shoot down, but possible. Especially taking into account the developments that the Americans now have. And they plan to deploy not one kinetic interceptor on such interceptors, but several ...

    But when he begins to make evolution in the atmosphere and goes in a plasma cocoon - then there will be problems of interception .. But I also think it’s solved. But the option with SOI-2 I think is more fantastic at the present stage ...

    Quote: Hypersound
    Yes, and in the event of a mess, the enemy satellites will simply instantly go astray, with the same S-500B4 or Nudol, or something else

    How dashing we are. Could you name the US satellite constellation quantitatively? To shoot down a non-existent S-500V4 complex, when there is not even an S-500 - well, this is very patriotic hurray. Or do you think that "Nudol" will be deployed in the amount of several hundred pieces ???
    1. 0
      1 January 2019 12: 52
      You can shoot down spacecraft only in near space at altitudes of 150-200 km. But such a minority. Means what? So the main weapon to fight satellites will be electronic warfare. In general, all this is so ghostly.
  10. 0
    30 December 2018 17: 20
    Well, for Our Strategic Rocket Forces, THEN GOD will not allow anyone to twitch !!!!!
  11. +1
    30 December 2018 18: 37
    Right now, RTR Vesti watched, the host there, when telling about Avngard, almost burst from his overwhelming emotions))) But the host from the studio avant-garde flew to Kapustin Yar, and from the host flew to the Kura. )))) Who is right?
    1. 0
      1 January 2019 12: 53
      From Kopyar to Kura.
  12. 0
    30 December 2018 21: 48
    You can’t say anything, a good gift on NG to friends from the pendo-camp and the whole NATA.
  13. 0
    30 December 2018 23: 07
    Quote: Lamatinets
    Right now, RTR Vesti watched, the host there, when telling about Avngard, almost burst from his overwhelming emotions))) But the host from the studio avant-garde flew to Kapustin Yar, and from the host flew to the Kura. )))) Who is right?

    Lead from the training ground. The start was from the Kure Division
  14. +1
    30 December 2018 23: 34
    Author:
    Y. Vyatkin, writes:
    They should have seen the dispersal of ICBMs, but the device itself, when it dived into dense layers, was no longer there, or very uncertain.

    I think that American over-the-horizon radar stations saw acceleration and head movement in dense layers of the atmosphere — it is impossible to hide the ionization of the atmosphere from their movement.
    1. +1
      30 December 2018 23: 58
      Quote: ccsr
      I think that American over-the-horizon radar stations saw acceleration and head movement in dense layers of the atmosphere — it is impossible to hide the ionization of the atmosphere from their movement.

      It is useless on this site to cheer patriots about the basics of radar. Here, there are few technically literate people left. Then I was alone with foam at the mouth, kicking myself in the chest, said that the s-500 knocks the head of the ICBM in pursuit)))))))))))))
      1. +1
        31 December 2018 11: 31
        Quote: Harry.km
        Then I was alone with foam at the mouth, kicking myself in the chest, told

        I agree that technically literate people better understand all the nuances of military technology, but the fact that some think of themselves as "great specialists", having no reason for that, is just the cost of current education. I am also amazed at what heresy some authors carry here, and what is interesting is that they do not seem to even have the knowledge of Soviet high school physics.
      2. -1
        1 January 2019 19: 00
        Harry.km! Uneducated "hurray not patoiot" ... Not only did you carry nonsense about the radar protection from ICBMs falling off and at the same time it is visible in the plasma stream ... You showed your complete ignorance of Physics, Ballistics, Aerodynamics with your childish calculation of " the avant-garde "and do not write nonsense, your stupid exaggeration ... Learn: physics, mathematics, astronomy and other sciences that you do not know ... Maybe you want to measure your ignorance with me on radar ?!
        1. -1
          1 January 2019 21: 08
          Quote: SETTGF
          Maybe you want to measure your ignorance on radar with me ?!

          Oh dear ... to measure "ignorance" is how? To play with you, perhaps))))) Immediately give up in this type of competition, you will win without reservation ... by the way, have you already googled about ablation protection?)))))) Ignorance of radar in your performance is simply tough.
          1. -1
            1 January 2019 22: 48
            Harry.km! This is about your ignorance in the field of radar ... You must understand jokes. You, as always, exaggerate your Dunno's answers. I, unlike you, knew this ... but you did not know that a trail of plasma is visible, and not a falling off ablative protection. And as you thought how much will fly by "Avant-garde is a masterpiece of illiteracy on the Internet and not only. So now you are bluffing and no more!
            1. -1
              1 January 2019 22: 59
              Harry.km! You are so praising yourself here in the field of radar, without knowing it! Then answer the question: "What parameters of the pulsed radar determine the duration of the probe pulse." Weak to answer !? The question is for children!
              1. 0
                3 January 2019 19: 05
                Quote: SETTGF
                "What parameters of the pulse radar determine the duration of the probe pulse." Weak to answer !? The question is for children!

                By the position of the knob "duration of the probing pulse". A child's answer to a child's question.
    2. 0
      31 December 2018 11: 46
      Quote: ccsr
      over-the-horizon radar stations have seen

      Their error is really not a cake ... The trail after the flight will see, but the missile itself, and even more so the warhead ... well, in general ... the wavelength and dimensions of the detected object ... you understand.
      Quote: Harry.km
      told that the s-500 knocks the head of an ICBM after it

      Maybe I meant on the acceleration section? Only how to put the s-500 itself in that place ... wassat But it would be nice ...
      1. -1
        31 December 2018 13: 48
        Quote: region58
        But it would be nice ...

        I’ll tell you more, there is already a C500B4 ... so hurray-patriotism scales, and the closer NG, the higher the degree ... Well, the school ... and the school fsёvret ... Everyone knows that the radio wave propagates in a straight line. And ZGRLS stations are direct evidence that the earth is flat.
        1. -1
          1 January 2019 19: 08
          Harry.km! Can you tell us how the um wave spreads! I am sure that you do not know, judging by your knowledge of physics ... Answer the question: "According to what law is the attenuation of the em wave in the" distance ", I deliberately do not write the distance ...
          1. 0
            1 January 2019 20: 51
            Quote: SETTGF
            Harry.km! Maybe tell how the um wave spreads! I am sure that you do not know, judging by your knowledge of physics ....

            In a straight line, it spreads, in a straight line))
            1. 0
              1 January 2019 23: 11
              Harry.km! You do not know Radio Engineering and the propagation of um waves, judging by your statements about the shape of the Earth! You don’t know about the law of attenuation of the um wave in the distance either - this is not on the Internet ... Then there is nothing more to talk about with you!
              1. 0
                2 January 2019 01: 52
                Quote: SETTGF
                this is not on the internet ...

                Both-on ... Now the Truth will open before us. So, will we now read a refutation to the fact that radio waves propagate in a straight line or do we learn the secret of radio wave attenuation? Not tired of writing fantasies? Doesn’t it turn on the head itself? How can a rectilinear wave propagate around a spherical earth. Yes, and somehow it fades ... How does it fade ??? Figures that are not on the internet in the studio!
                1. 0
                  3 January 2019 02: 38
                  Harry.km! You already seem to be working as a clown, judging by your stupidity! First, learn the basics of Radio Engineering ... baby talk of an illiterate "jester" !? If you don’t have a head and knowledge, it’s just sad. I cannot help you, I am not a mentor! Do not forget to learn about the diffraction of radio waves, maybe then you will understand something about your "nonsense" ...
                  1. 0
                    3 January 2019 02: 57
                    Harry.km! Neznaykin, it was weak to answer by radar !? Are you also a coward !?
                    1. 0
                      3 January 2019 03: 02
                      Harry.km! According to the straightforwardness of the propagation of radio waves - no one argued, these are your stupid insinuations ...
                      1. +1
                        3 January 2019 19: 11
                        Quote: SETTGF
                        Remember to learn about diffraction of radio waves,

                        Dear, from you some questions, I already answered some as I could. But you do not even answer your questions))) I understand that you were banned in Google and you decided to look for information in other ways)) What do you know about diffraction? How is it measured and by what law does it change? If you do not answer your own question, then you are a banal troll.
                      2. 0
                        3 January 2019 21: 19
                        Harry.km! It concerns you!

                        "To shame a liar, make fun of a fool
                        And arguing with a woman is the same
                        What to draw water sieve:
                        Deliver us from these three, God! .. "
      2. +1
        31 December 2018 16: 06
        Quote: region58
        Their error is very "not a cake" ... The trail after the flight will see, but the missile itself, and even more so the warhead

        Over-the-horizon radar stations first of all record the launch itself and the approximate location of the launch - they are not capable of a large one, if only because of the multipath and several "jumps" of HF radio waves. You seem to be confusing the ranges of conventional radars and over-the-horizon radar stations.
        Quote: region58
        wavelength and size of the detected object ... you know.

        Are you sure that the ionized trace from the warhead entering the atmosphere will be invisible to over-the-horizon radars? What does the reflective surface of the warhead itself have to do with changes that are difficult to hide in the ionosphere and dense layers of the atmosphere?
        1. 0
          31 December 2018 17: 00
          Quote: ccsr
          You seem to be confused

          I’m just about the same thing as you, so I don’t confuse. Of course you can’t hide the trace, I mean that according to the trace the parameters (speed, vector, etc.) can be determined with a large error (actually you are talking about the same thing).
          Quote: ccsr
          the launch itself and the approximate launch location - they are not capable of much

        2. -1
          31 December 2018 20: 21
          Quote: ccsr
          due to multipath and several "hops" of HF radio waves. You seem to be confusing the ranges of conventional radars and over-the-horizon radar stations.

          Signal Corps?
          1. +1
            1 January 2019 12: 21
            Quote: Harry.km
            Signal Corps?

            Not really - a connection, but in a different structure.
            1. 0
              1 January 2019 13: 53
              Quote: ccsr
              Not quite

              Happy New Year! )
              It's nice to chat with a knowledgeable person.
              1. +1
                1 January 2019 15: 17
                Quote: Harry.km
                Happy New Year! )

                Mutually.
  15. 0
    31 December 2018 00: 43
    Quote: venik
    Quote: Carpenter 2329
    I agree on everything!

    =========
    good But I'm not in everything !!! The author believes that 50 "anti-missiles" will not be enough .... Well, even if enough???? Well, WHAT of this ??? If Avangardov is planned to be installed on the database 30 (Total thirty!!) ..... HOW MANY will it take "anti-missiles" to intercept them GUARANTEED ?? A simple calculation shows: 1.5 thousand (Fifteen hundred!!!) ....
    And what are they going to Other to shoot down warheads ?? "Finger (21st) wassat ??

    50 or 1000 ... Let there be at least a billion anti-rocket at such a speed, and it’s not a fact that they accidentally fall! That's the point that there is nothing to intercept! So even if all the inhabitants of America from M-16 will shoot at the sky - the effect is the same! Such an interception system has not yet been created! ..
    1. +1
      31 December 2018 11: 25
      Quote: Likant
      That's the point that there is nothing to intercept! So even if all the inhabitants of America from M-16 will shoot at the sky - the effect is the same! Such an interception system has not yet been created! ..

      In the sixties, the Moscow Air Defense District was armed with missiles with nuclear charges, which were supposed to be used at a height against US ballistic heads. But they refused this for several reasons, including because of the fear of infection of their territory.
      Because Since the preferred objects of attack were initially known, it is possible that they will return to such a solution now, and then much fewer missiles for missile defense will be required.
      1. +1
        2 January 2019 18: 26
        I think the Americans will try to bring down the carrier of the Vanguard, it's easier. They have anti-missile missiles on their destroyers, for example, these destroyers will be driven into the Kara Sea. Or the first will hit the mines - this is even more effective, especially if the ballistic missile systems are delivered in Poland, the Baltic states or Pakistan. And if they put it near Kharkov, then it’s completely shitty, Ukraine, then we were all right.
        1. 0
          2 January 2019 19: 08
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          I think the Americans will try to bring down the carrier of the Vanguard, it's easier.

          Even if they are placed outside the Urals?
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Or the first will hit the mines - it’s even more effective, especially if they deliver in the Poland,

          They need time for the flight - do you think that our strategic missile forces will wait for the strike? Will the submarine fleet sit in the depths? How are you going to hide preparations for a large-scale nuclear strike - tell us ...

          Quote: Fan-Fan
          And if they put it near Kharkov, then it’s completely shitty, Ukraine, then we were all right.

          They will not deliver until Ukraine is a member of NATO. Yes, they also have Cuba under their noses, so they remember that we can agree.
  16. -2
    31 December 2018 00: 58
    Quote: serpent
    Quote: Carpenter 2329
    Someone's belly, or stable work thereof, is more critical and more important than new weapons. Standing, no doubt, break through the money. But such are still a minority, which cannot but rejoice.

    Everything is correct. For protection, you can endure. But how does it happen that the "belts are tightened" by the common people, while officials-senators-deputies at this time fabulously enriched themselves, build palaces for themselves, adopt the stupidest and most harmful laws, simultaneously allowing themselves insane statements? If we are to resist hostile forces, then all together. Otherwise: "Pension reform is a necessary measure." Uh-huh. The same forced as the purchase of yachts and overseas villas for oligarchs and propagandists.

    Well, the pension reform saves pensioners from being shot by workers! Why don't you write that there is a demographic crisis in Russia now? That for one person of working age there are statistically almost four pensioners? And if such a "worker" thumps and does not work, his pensioners go to another ... So the increase in PF and taxes increase automatically ... Write that to maintain age, EVERY family must have at least three children! Then the demographics will level out in 16 years! And so it is easy to complain looking from your belfry! .. So having a wife on my neck, two children (we do not plan any more), my mother, “four retirees” to support - it's easier to shoot them! In general, start with the prehistory of the pension reform, and do not take out of the "context" only the rise in age!
    1. +2
      31 December 2018 01: 04
      Quote: Likant
      it’s easier to shoot them!

      Oh well. Try to shoot me.
    2. +1
      31 December 2018 12: 04
      Quote: Likant
      What is it that almost four pensioners are statistically obtained for one person of working age?

      It is wrong to think so directly. Just look: let's say an automobile plant, manual assembly - a thousand people, well, let it be a hundred cars a day (figures from the ceiling). They put up an automatic line, robots do everything themselves, there are fifty workers, and they produce five hundred cars a day. The plant began to produce more products, and contributions to the pension fund decreased. Here is such a paradox ... You can, of course, bring the situation to the point of absurdity - each nut must be sharpened with a file by hand - there will be millions of workers, then the deductions will be trampled ... So in agriculture - where before "the whole collective farm" could hardly cope. now one person is on a combine with air conditioning in the cab ...
      1. -1
        31 December 2018 14: 02
        On the contrary, our savings on equipment are so strong that after the New Year we will most likely work with files! :( We scratch what needs to be turned by two out of nine Bulgarians (7 require replacement of brushes for two months already!) ... And then we hammer the non-climbing part with a sledgehammer! At the end, the bosses yell: “Why is it so crooked? we smile and say: "Well, it happened!" ...
    3. +2
      31 December 2018 13: 55
      Quote: Likant
      In general, start with the prehistory of pension reform,

      Respected! What is happening with the pension system is the Ponzi Pyramid. In this pyramid, old members receive money from new members. All pensioners of our country, gave all their working life, part of the money earned. And where is the money? Where did they go??? What are you talking about nonsense about demographics and so on ... give people their EARNINGS even without interest ... just taking into account inflation. Che such as you justify the theft of folk money!
      1. +1
        2 January 2019 18: 30
        Here to this question, about the theft of national money, the cheers-patriots have nothing to answer.
        1. +2
          3 January 2019 19: 14
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Here to this question, about the theft of national money, the cheers-patriots have nothing to answer.

          Why there is nothing ... They can stick up minuses, in connection with disagreement. Minus set and no one needs to explain, do not need anything)))
        2. 0
          4 January 2019 19: 05
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          Here to this question, about the theft of national money, the cheers-patriots have nothing to answer.

          And you never thought to ask the "people" themselves what they thought when they were torn into capitalism and shouted "Down with the CPSU!" and agreed to eliminate the state with social responsibility to workers?
          Do you think that the basis of capitalist relations is the morality "Help the needy", and not "Take the last piece for your prosperity"?
          Why cry now about pension reform if it is done solely within the framework of a model where everyone must plow until their death in order to survive.
          Finish with the smearing of snot - our people got what he was striving for, and his fault is that he is not worthy of our ancestors, who in 1917 were more decisive and went to the scrap of capitalist exploitation for the benefit of their descendants.
          And we will eat shit, and our descendants too - this is what I say to you as a "hurray-patriot" ...
  17. +1
    31 December 2018 01: 03
    I don’t understand why the conditional speed of sound applied to the rocket is equal to the speed of sound in different layers of the atmosphere? If there is no sound in space, then the rocket will not fly there? Then let's measure, as in the cartoon "38 parrots" in parrots! .. Are you kidding with the sound?
  18. +2
    31 December 2018 12: 51
    Quote: Likant
    I don’t understand why the conditional speed of sound applied to the rocket is equal to the speed of sound in different layers of the atmosphere? If there is no sound in space, then the rocket will not fly there? Then let's measure, as in the cartoon "38 parrots" in parrots! .. Are you kidding with the sound?

    Do you think that many understand this? I also don’t understand how we can talk about the speed of sound, for example, at an altitude of 400 km, where does the active section of the trajectory of ICBM UR-100N UTTH end? . This is not the stratosphere or even the mesosphere, but the thermosphere in general.

    It is always assumed that the boundary of the atmosphere is the "Karman Line", that is, 100 km. NASA, for example, considers 120 km to be the boundary of the atmosphere (in principle, it does not matter). But 400 km .... this is, sorry, beyond reason. Yes, there is, of course, as always and everywhere in space atomic hydrogen or oxygen (or any other atomic gases). But talking about the speed of sound there - I apologize stupid.

    Moreover, everyone knows perfectly well (who has knowledge) that the speed of sound depends not only on pressure, but also on temperature. For example, at a temperature of minus 150 degrees and atmospheric pressure, the speed of sound will be EMNIP 216,7 m / s. And already at a temperature of minus 50 degrees Celsius (which is about 25 km altitude) - the speed is already 299,3 degrees.

    At what height the speed was "measured" by Borisov - I don't know. But he made mistakes so often when he was deputy defense minister that believing him is not respecting yourself. The fact that after the end of the active section the speed is close to the first space speed is from the high school program. Otherwise, the object would have become an artificial satellite of the Earth. Why was it necessary to voice the number 27 or 30M when they do not talk about the parameters of the atmosphere - this is a great secret ...
    1. 0
      31 December 2018 13: 59
      Quote: Old26
      Moreover, everyone knows perfectly well (who has knowledge)

      ... that the earth is flat and there is no space! It does not happen that there would be something where there is nothing. The paradox, however. There is no space, no moon, since there is no moon, then the Americans could not be there! The earth is flat, but round, this is confirmed by photographs from the so-called "space". None of the pictures show that the earth is a ball !!!
      1. 0
        1 January 2019 19: 15
        Harry.km! The Bologna system of education gives its pods of ignorance !?
        1. 0
          1 January 2019 20: 49
          Quote: SETTGF
          pods of ignorance !?

          If you want to ask anything, write specifically ... I don’t know anything about your education system. I have a fundamental education. 3 classes of the church parish and practice with my uncle in the stable. There my uncle told me that the Americans were not on the moon ... Does your system say the opposite? Evidence in the studio!
    2. +1
      31 December 2018 14: 57
      Quote: Old26
      Why was it voiced

      Well, this is something you can understand. The statement is more "political", to the public. Probably, they also demand results from him ... And where there is what speed, and what is there where and where he maneuvers - it's the tenth thing ... The main figure is big ... and incomprehensible ... incomprehensible but big - here.
      Yes, and such details ... they are usually not for the general public.
      PS I will say more - many people think that the ICBM took off in the same form and flops to the ground. Like "what a healthy shit, it's like a bang" ...
  19. 0
    31 December 2018 13: 07
    it means that it’s not in vain that our people ruined their lives and health in laboratories, factories and landfills! And in all this power there is a contribution from my father, although he was just a speck of dust, a tiny cog in a huge machine of the USSR’s nuclear weapons complex! my family paid a very high price, so that we would not all turn into radioactive ashes, If only there was no war !!
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  21. 0
    31 December 2018 13: 34
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Likant
    it’s easier to shoot them!

    Oh well. Try to shoot me.

    This is the view from your bell tower! Instead of solving the problem of demographic degeneration, which in five years will become even worse, radical local idiocy begins! I shoot great, but this is not a solution to the problem! Suggest a more serious and more global solution! 120 million Russians will turn into 80 million! It is possible to overthrow it and the power, but another "Yeltsin" will come and nothing will change in Russia, so we will go out to 80 million Russians! And a pension of 7000 rubles is not the top of a pensioner's desires! Here you need to somehow change the system! Our retirees work like that at 70 and 80! Why can't they retire from 65? As long as there is no alternative proposal for pension reform, there is no need to criticize what we have! We've already got in the ass - it's time to get out!
    1. +1
      31 December 2018 14: 02
      Quote: Likant
      I shoot perfectly, but this is not a solution! Offer a more serious and more global solution!

      Already offered ... from the government .. duel competition: Who will live longer by 7000 rubles. Everyone has been participating since the age of 60.
  22. 0
    31 December 2018 13: 56
    Quote: serg.shishkov2015
    it means that it’s not in vain that our people ruined their lives and health in laboratories, factories and landfills! And in all this power there is a contribution from my father, although he was just a speck of dust, a tiny cog in a huge machine of the USSR’s nuclear weapons complex! my family paid a very high price, so that we would not all turn into radioactive ashes, If only there was no war !!

    Projects are stopped, closed, "frozen", and people continue to work, sometimes on their own initiative, at their own expense! .. And then the country "urgently" needs this development and scientists "get out of their bosoms" their initiative developments and put ready-made projects on the table ! Most of them are of Soviet hardening, but they leave us like the legendary Kalashnikov, and it is difficult to find a replacement among today's youth ... "Vanguard" is the brainchild of those who did not go abroad and showed that there are still smart people in Russia ! But let's not talk about sad things! Happy New Year, and may it become a "breakthrough" in spite of the enemies! :)
  23. 0
    31 December 2018 22: 28
    It would be interesting to know if the United States produces hypersonic weapons, after successful tests in Hawaii in 2011, the Advanced Hypersonic Weapon hypersonic missile?
  24. -1
    1 January 2019 14: 28
    Quote: alta
    It would be interesting to know if the United States produces hypersonic weapons, after successful tests in Hawaii in 2011, the Advanced Hypersonic Weapon hypersonic missile?

    Of course not. In order to release it, the weapon must pass the entire test cycle. And the Americans had the last test with a "Fail" grade. And no matter what project and what kind of apparatus we are talking about. Either about the HGB apparatus of the AHW project, or the HTV-2 apparatus of the Falcon program. Yes, and according to the X-51 program, nothing is heard. It is not clear how much these programs slowed down ...

    Quote: venik
    If "Vanguards" are planned to be installed on the database only 30 (total thirty !!) ..... HOW MANY "anti-missiles" will be required to intercept them GUARANTEED ?? A simple calculation shows: 1.5 thousand (One and a half thousand !!!) ....

    Can I get acquainted with your calculations? Where did the figure 1500 come from? And why not 3500 or 120 (one hundred and twenty)?
  25. 0
    1 January 2019 15: 29
    Quote: Likant
    Projects are stopped, closed, "frozen", and people continue to work, sometimes on their own initiative, at their own expense! .. And then the country "urgently" needs this development and scientists "get out of their bosoms" their initiative developments and put ready-made projects on the table !

    It is immediately clear that you have never worked in a design bureau or research institute, because none of the "crafts" would have ever written such a thing. If the project is stopped, closed or frozen, then there can be no question of any further work on it. The team switches to a different topic (s). And there will be no time or money to deal with a closed topic. Only if someone from the enthusiasts tries to continue to deal with the theoretical paper version. And even then at home. Usually, any topic is hundreds, if not thousands of people, hundreds, or even thousands of documents with signatures, which, when the topic is closed, no one will give the "enthusiast" in full in the First Section (because he simply will not be on all lists of admitted ones) ...

    Initiatively, "at its own expense" the organization (design bureau, research institute) can be only at the very first stage, when there are search (not even experimental design work). Then the enterprise can use the enterprise's funds to carry out these search operations. The result of these exploratory work should be the inclusion of this work in the national "Armaments Program". If product development is included in this program, then funding is opened and R&D is conducted. And further along the stage. But in any case, no matter at what stage the project is closed, no one will continue to work on it, so that, as you said

    scientists "get out of their bosoms" their initiative developments and put ready-made projects on the table!

    For there will be no funding, which means there will be no salaries (this time), there will be no access to the materials and calculations that were made "before" (no one canceled the secret office work). So it's only in movies and bikes. The project was closed, and the lone scientist continues to secretly work on this project, and as a result puts the finished project on the table in front of his superiors.
    1. 0
      4 January 2019 19: 22
      Quote: Old26
      For there will be no funding, which means there will be no salaries (this time), there will be no access to the materials and calculations that were made "before" (no one canceled the secret office work). So it's only in movies and bikes. The project was closed, and the lone scientist continues to secretly work on this project, and as a result puts the finished project on the table in front of his superiors.

      Not everything was so clear, even in Soviet times. In one Leningrad research institute, R&D was carried out at the expense of one of the structures of the Moscow Region, which ended with prototypes transferred to the customer according to the contract. But for a number of objective reasons, the product was abandoned and it did not go into the series, although all customer requirements were met and there was documentation for the production. And suddenly, after a year, quite by accident from the press, we find out that our products were successfully paired with civilian structures, with the prospect of a decent series, as the need in the North and in remote areas is huge. Of course, for the sake of painting, we frightened them a little for amateur performances, but our boss was a smart person and said that we would not drive the waves, let them sell it, if there is a need.
      This is how, after the closure of R&D, the products could be gradually improved and sold to other customers. There were also proactive developments at the expense of the ministries, which were then adopted by the SA - for example, the Severok-K product known in certain circles, the development of which did not cost the Ministry of Defense a penny.
  26. 0
    2 January 2019 07: 10
    Like, "the political instructor is lying."
    Let's start with perhaps the most important thing, because everything else is trifles, the "political instructor" does not lie, he simply cannot know everything and reads what his referents write to him, so he showed Stone a video of the action of an American helicopter in Afghanistan and said that it was a videoconferencing in Syria , Happenes
    regarding the Vanguard, I do not share these enthusiasms for one simple reason, since it is not something special, it does not have any technological breakthrough, it is the Sarmat missile, the replacement of the Voivode, how do they differ from each other? Well, Sarmat is 5 percent lighter, well, carries false goals, and that’s all
    maneuvering blocks, well, they somehow need to slow down, so almost all of them slow down using maneuvering, where is the breakthrough? Well, only if the fact that we were able to create a delivery system without the help of Ukraine, only in this
    the second point is foreign media, as far as I understand it, in the West, from the distant times of the Caribbean crisis, they understood and did not hide the fact that the use of nuclear weapons is a guarantee of mutual destruction, that massive strikes cannot be repelled, be it outdated Poplars or the latest Vanguards, so what about what the author wanted to say is not clear
    well, what the "political instructor" lied about was the lack of a concept of the preventive use of nuclear weapons in our country, since silo-based missiles are not very suitable for a retaliatory strike, they will be destroyed in the first place, so the burden of a retaliatory strike lies with mobile launchers, wheeled , apl and the like
    but probably this is not a lie, but a military trick, although it’s stupid, whom it can mislead
  27. 0
    2 January 2019 07: 35
    I forgot the most important thing, but I couldn’t add, about US countermeasures, no missile defense can repel the first blow from Russia, none of the American generals are hiding
    that's why the only effective measure is a preventive strike from the Americans, that's why the speech of the "political instructor" is not for them, if they are scared, they can shoot out of fear
    it is, as they say, for internal use, and for what purpose it is done, think for yourself
  28. 0
    2 January 2019 15: 49
    A great gift to the Russian people! I can imagine how the panic begins with the enemies of Russia!
  29. +1
    2 January 2019 20: 48
    Quote: YOUR
    From Kopyar to Kura.

    There is no silo in Kapyar for the 35th missile. Start was carried out from the position area of ​​the Dombarovsk division

    Quote: Fan-Fan
    I think the Americans will try to bring down the carrier of the Vanguard, it's easier. They have anti-missile missiles on their destroyers, for example, these destroyers will be driven into the Kara Sea. Or the first will hit the mines - this is even more effective, especially if the ballistic missile systems are delivered in Poland, the Baltic states or Pakistan. And if they put it near Kharkov, then it’s completely shitty, Ukraine, then we were all right.

    This will be very difficult to do. The destroyers in the Kara Sea are approximately 3500 km away from the Vanguard silos in Uzhur. OUT ends approximately at an altitude of 400 km and at a distance of 700 km from the launchers. The speed will be about 7,5 km / s. American destroyer missiles have a maximum speed of 4,5 km / s. And although they have a range of 2500 km, and an altitude reach of 1500 km, I am afraid that they can shoot down only if the destroyer is standing in the plane of firing by the Vanguard. In addition, the EMNIP radar detection range of the destroyer is about 1000-1200 km. And when shooting from any other position, it will be shooting at the back. And to catch up with a rocket at a speed of 4,5 km / s with a rocket at a speed of 7,5 km / s is unrealistic
    In the Baltic states, Poland, or Pakistan, the infantry-borne infantry fighting vehicles must have a range of at least 3500 km. Will they have them? I do not know
    1. 0
      4 January 2019 01: 19
      In Pakistan, it is now unlikely - the Americans have spoiled their relations with this former ally.
  30. -2
    3 January 2019 22: 17
    What can I say, a great GIFT for the new year. THANK!!!
  31. 0
    4 January 2019 01: 18
    I would like to believe that designers and employees of factories producing these products are paid decent wages, and not like in "Roskosmos", where, as reported, the lion's share of the wage fund settles in the pockets of management ..... naturally effective)) ).
  32. +1
    5 January 2019 00: 53
    Quote: ccsr
    Not everything was so clear, even in Soviet times. In one Leningrad research institute, R&D was carried out at the expense of one of the structures of the Moscow Region, which ended with prototypes transferred to the customer according to the contract. But for a number of objective reasons, the product was abandoned and it did not go into the series, although all customer requirements were met and there was documentation for the production. And suddenly, after a year, quite by accident from the press, we find out that our products were successfully paired with civilian structures, with the prospect of a decent series, as the need in the North and in remote areas is huge. Of course, for the sake of painting, we frightened them a little for amateur performances, but our boss was a smart person and said that we would not drive the waves, let them sell it, if there is a need.
    This is how, after the closure of R&D, the products could be gradually improved and sold to other customers. There were also proactive developments at the expense of the ministries, which were then adopted by the SA - for example, the Severok-K product known in certain circles, the development of which did not cost the Ministry of Defense a penny.

    And I'm not saying that everything is clear. There were certainly options. And what you are describing was. But in one example, your R&D was already completed and the product was ready for batch. But it didn't work, R&D was closed. And nothing prevented us from improving the finished product. As in the second example - with "Severk-K". But comrade Likant hints at something serious, comparable to Avangard or any other RCT product. In the sense, he writes. We froze the product (project), and then the designer "Once and takes out from his bosom" the finished project. When it comes to such an area as rocket and space technology, this is simply not possible. This is not a radio station, and not some kind of device, even if it is quite complex. This is a product, in the creation of which dozens if not hundreds of factories, design bureaus, research teams, a huge number of collaborators are involved. But this is IMPOSSIBLE to do it on an initiative basis. The first department alone is worth with its limitations ...