Turkey will receive a tool that is not available from C-400. Bosporus concession to please the USA

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There is not the slightest doubt that for the sake of their own economic and military-technical benefits, the current Turkish leadership, headed by the unpredictable leader Recep Erdogan, is ready to crumple and “throw into the furnace” practically any configuration of good-neighborly relations with its Persian and Eurasian partners. It is this vector of Ankara’s actions that can be traced today in a difficult operational and tactical situation on the line of contact with the “idlib bridgehead” seized by the fighting, where Russian soldiers continue to die (thanks to this “bridgehead” the Turks received an excellent “shadow” arms market and a testing ground for testing new concepts weapons and electronic equipment in combat conditions).





Similarly, the situation with the sale to the Ukrainian militants of the shock-reconnaissance UAV "Bayraktar TB2" on the eve of the escalation in the Donbas and against the background of the insane statement of the NSDC secretary Alexander Turchinov "about the ability of the rocket forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to destroy the Crimean Bridge." This deal, which is another “stone in the garden” of the LDNR armies and Russian army units in the Southern Military District, could only be approved by the Turkish side in exchange for obtaining critical technologies in the rocket production industry, which are available to the Yuzhnoye design bureau "Thunder-2"), as well as in exchange for the technology provided for the production of active protection systems "Duplet" and "AKKOR Pulat" (a licensed copy of the Ukrainian KAZ "Zaslon-L" modified conceptual analog of the Soviet KAZ "Rain").

And, of course, we are talking about providing the General Staff of the Turkish Armed Forces with unimpeded access to separate NK and NATO naval strike groups in the waters of the Black Sea, even in the light of the unseen preparation by Kiev and the North Atlantic alliance of large-scale escalation in two seas and Donbas TVD. Already now, with a high degree of probability, it can be argued that in the event of the outbreak of hostilities in the region, Ankara will completely ignore the provision of the Montreux Convention, which provides for blocking the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits during the period of involvement in the escalation of the Black Sea countries. It is not difficult to guess that a kind of "prepayment" for the removal of Ankara from what is happening was the very resumption of the contract for the supply of the low-profile F-35A fighter jets to the Turkish Air Force.

These points were discussed in more detail in our previous review. Information about the immediate start of the evacuation by the Pentagon of virtually all US military and civilian structures - from the KMP and SSO to diplomatic representatives and US special representatives for contacts with the SDF - from the Syrian Arab Republic (Rozhava abandoned to the mercy of the Turkish offensive) only strengthens us in the opinion that the Kurds also became an excellent bargaining chip in the US-Turkish negotiations for obtaining comprehensive privileges in the Black Sea.

Meanwhile, 19 December TASS, referring to sources in the Pentagon and the US foreign affairs agency, reported additional important details of the "encouragement" of the Turkish side for acting in the key favorable to Washington. The next bonus was the approval by the US State Department of the decision of the Agency for Defense Cooperation and Security (structure under the Pentagon) to supply the Turkish side at least four upgraded Patriot PAC-2 / 3 air defense missile systems as part of the 4 advanced AN-MPN-65 centimeter G- wavebands, 10 mast antennas OE-349 AMG ("Antenna Mast Group"), designed to combine remote ZRK batteries into network-centric zenith rocket brigades using a secure radio channel to exchange UHF- Range (470-862 MHz), 20 launchers M903, and surface-to-air missile 80 distal radius MIM-104E (GEM-T) and 60 MIM-104F PAC-3MSE.

The main technological parameters of the radar AN / APG-65 (speed of the escorted target in 7800 km / h, throughput in 125 targets, target detection distance with 0,1 EPR square meter - about 80 km, target canal - 8 simultaneously intercepted targets) we have long known and are not very different from the early modification version of the AN / MPQ-53 radar for illumination (with the exception of the noise immunity and performance of the microprocessor element base). But interceptor missiles should be considered in more detail.

The MIM-104E anti-aircraft missiles are an upgraded version of the MIM-104C with updated software for an active, semi-active radar missile and high-explosive fragmentation warhead with optimization of the fragmentation fragmentation sector (a similar technique is embodied in the Russian XURNXXXXX486X / QDGM software that is implemented in Russian Zur systems of the 2HXNXXX300 / IMT family of AI software. "Triumph" to increase the effectiveness of interception of operational-tactical ballistic missiles). Given the fact that the MIM-2E GEM-T SAMs have a range of 400 — 104 km, their use in the Patriot’s purchased Turkish government will not provide any advantages over the Triumph C-160 purchased from Rosoboronexport, because The 200H400DM SAM has an interception range of the order of 48 km at a higher flight speed (6 km / h against 250 km / h in GEM-T) and the speed of the intercepted target (9000 m / s against 6000 m / s).

Another thing - MIM-104F PAC-3MSE. Despite the similar intrinsic flight speed and speed of the target being hit, it is capable of destroying ballistic and aerodynamic objects by the method of kinetic destruction (direct hit), called “hit-to-kill” by western specialists. For this purpose, surgical accuracy is required on the undercut section of the trajectory, which is achieved by the presence of an active radar homing millimeter Ka-band, as well as a “belt” block of gas-dynamic rudders in the front of the MIM-104F. Also, ARGSN and the gas-dynamic unit allow the interceptor missile to more successfully withstand highly maneuverable cruise missiles hiding from the AN / MPQ-65 MRLS behind elevated terrain or radio horizon. Our MKB "Torch" to this day has not brought to mind similar SAME 9М96Е2 / DM, and therefore the "four hundred" (and in the export version, and in the version for the VKS of Russia) are unable to destroy over-horizon targets or objects, maneuvering with overloads more than 20 — 25G .

It was precisely due to the lack of “kinetic” 400М9Е96 SAM in the C-2 ammunition, the Turkish General Staff had long ago laid eyes on the “Patriot PAC-3MSE” and finally achieved its goal, skillfully manipulating the extremely favorable geographical position in the region and the unique possibility of controlling sea traffic between the Mediterranean and the Black Seas. But the Turkish side is not in a hurry to refuse C-400, because the greater range of 48H6DM missiles, 2,5 times higher energy parameters of the 92H6E guidance radar and the possibility of destroying targets at speeds up to 17280 km / h offer the Turkish army much broader opportunities to build not only zone-object, but also regional missile defense. All the sadness of this action lies in the fact that we are again in the role of the side drawn around the finger.

Information sources:
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-01-11/ch5.htm
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/c300pmu2/c300pmu2.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/patriot/patriot.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/erint/erint.shtml
http://deita.ru/ru/news/krymskij-most-grozyat-unichtozhit-raketami/
https://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=3096820
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  1. -26
    20 December 2018 06: 02
    The more Turkey "shits" Russia, the more likely it is that Constantinople will become Russian.
    1. +26
      20 December 2018 06: 26
      All is correct. This is already 3 centuries say. You just have to wait a little longer.
      1. +15
        20 December 2018 07: 56
        Such requests must comply. Is the Russian economy, the military industrial complex, the armed forces of Russia and society ready for such increments of territory and consequences? If the country is shaking from sanctions for the lousy Skripale, what will happen after the annexation of Istanbul?
        1. +42
          20 December 2018 10: 30
          I don’t understand why the Russian “patriots” were “angry” at Turkey? The Turkish government pursues ONLY its economic, political and military interests and this is correct, it should be so. It is only in Russia that they still suffer from "brotherhood", "good neighborliness", "partnership" and other nonsense ...
        2. 0
          21 December 2018 11: 42
          The author is burning .... as always. All his articles and conclusions are the third world ... what Montreux conventions ... what is he talking about?
        3. 0
          24 December 2018 23: 44
          If it comes to the "annexation" of Istanbul, there will be no one to declare sanctions (at least in Europe) ...
    2. +25
      20 December 2018 10: 46
      Constantinople has long been renamed Istanbul. Lviv, Odessa, Kiev, Kharkov are already lost. Erdogan is skilfully "cheating" Moscow by playing political poker with Trump. Moscow skillfully “does not give in to provocations”, having a strategic goal - to integrate into the world community. Probably in parts. Very small.
      1. +8
        20 December 2018 13: 13
        Odessa, Kharkov are likely to return in the foreseeable future, Kiev may be in the future. Lviv and the whole of Galicia didn’t resist, in vain their Stalin will not be returned to the Poles in exchange for something more valuable to us
        1. +6
          20 December 2018 14: 13
          Quote: garik77
          Odessa, Kharkov are likely to return in the foreseeable future, Kiev may be in the future. Lviv and the whole of Galicia didn’t resist, in vain their Stalin will not be returned to the Poles in exchange for something more valuable to us

          Stalin needed Lviv and Galicia solely because of geopolitics in order to have a common border with Czechoslovakia. In 1939, it was precisely the absence of a common border that did not allow the USSR to fulfill its obligations to protect Czechoslovakia, because the Poles said that our troops will not miss and start a war against the USSR when we try to get our troops to help Czechoslovakia.
        2. +18
          20 December 2018 14: 29
          Lviv and all of Galicia didn’t stop
          I'll tell you a secretLvivit's antique Russian city. Lviv was founded by Russian Prince Daniil of Galitsky, in honor of his son Leo. No need to scatter Russian cities ......
          1. +3
            20 December 2018 16: 38
            Quote: 72jora72
            I’ll tell you a secret, Lviv, this is an old Russian city. Lviv was founded by Russian Prince Daniil of Galitsky, in honor of his son Leo. No need to scatter Russian cities ......

            We must come to terms with the fact that the people living in the ancient Russian city of Lviv have long been no longer Russian, but quite the opposite. Like the other population of Galicia. So why do we need them?
            Or do you suggest genocide? wink
            1. +9
              20 December 2018 17: 25
              We must come to terms with the fact that the people living in the ancient Russian city of Lviv have long been no longer Russian, but quite the opposite. Like the other population of Galicia. So why do we need them?
              Or do you suggest genocide?
              YOU ARE mistaken again, I was born in Lviv, I know this city very well, there are no more Bandera and rogues in it than in any other Ukrainian city.
              P.C. And on the account of the genocide, we will have to do something with this Bandera Sabbath anyway, and the name of the methods does not matter.
            2. 0
              24 December 2018 23: 46
              At least the outcome ...
    3. -2
      20 December 2018 13: 10
      The Turkish General Staff quite a long time ago laid eyes on the “Patriot PAC-3MSE” and eventually achieved its goal by skillfully manipulating the extremely advantageous geographical position in the region and the unique ability to regulate maritime traffic between the Mediterranean and the Black Seas.

      - if only the geographer’s position is behind his soul, and not his strength, and he will die, the straits will be taken away from the Turks (or Turks) by NATO and other players who are against our access to the Sred Sea (see 1915-17)
    4. +2
      20 December 2018 22: 04
      Urv, comrade cheers!
  2. +4
    20 December 2018 06: 14
    Damantsev, we were thrown the best sidekick?
    1. +21
      20 December 2018 09: 07
      Quote: kenig1
      Damantsev, we were thrown the best sidekick?

      Turkey has never been a friend, but fighting with them all the time is also stupid.

      Rational relations that are beneficial to both sides, no fundamental concessions, are reasonable, I think, politics in this matter.

      The fact that Turkey, without hesitation, will oppose Russia, in the event of something, is also undeniable.
      1. +5
        20 December 2018 12: 04
        Olgovich, where does such confidence come from? In World War II, Turkey did not fight against us, although our situation at that time was very difficult. And now for the sake of what it gets into a conflict with us? We need to build normal relations and not think that someone owes us something.
      2. 0
        23 December 2018 15: 39
        The fact that Turkey, without hesitation, will oppose Russia, in the event of something, is also undeniable

        It remains to sell Turkey with 400 to help her, to fight with the Russian Federation.
    2. +2
      20 December 2018 10: 30
      Damantsev - the leader of the Internet
  3. +14
    20 December 2018 06: 24
    The General Staff has long enough laid eyes on the Patriot PAC-3MSE and, as a result, has achieved its goal. But the Turkish side is not in a hurry to refuse from the S-400.

    Erdogan did manage to get into a fish and eat something. The Sultan is now bursting with pride, as if not to burst. hi
    1. +1
      21 December 2018 11: 59
      But they could have banged him during the coup ...... in short, should he .....
  4. +2
    20 December 2018 06: 37
    The whole sadness of this action lies in the fact that we again remain in the role of the side circled around the finger.
    .... All the same ... "The Cossack sent from you ... the scout". "And keep your eyes on the Cossack girl,
    disappear - I’ll remove the skin from you.
    - Why did he disappear?
    - They can steal our Green.
    - And who?
    - Red bastards. Got it, brother? "
    1. +7
      20 December 2018 10: 44
      Vaughn already, write (Bloomberg), that Erdogan, in order to restore relations with his "overseas partner", is already offering the Americans to investigate the S-400 complex. https://news.mail.ru/politics/35760782/?frommail=1 wink
      1. +7
        20 December 2018 17: 33
        Snail N9:
        Vaughn already, write (Bloomberg), that Erdogan, in order to restore relations with his "overseas partner", is already offering the Americans to investigate the S-400 complex. https://news.mail.ru/politics/35760782/?frommail=1 wink

        Turkey is a historical enemy of Russia, has always been and is the main (geopolitical) opponent of Russia in a southerly direction. Verily, it is better to have no ally than such. Turkey’s hypocritical policy towards Russia is manifested not only in the Syrian issue ...
        After the collapse of the Soviet Union throughout the 1990's, the Turkish leadership continued to operate in the spirit of the Cold War and in the region of the Near and Middle East positioned itself mainly as a devoted ally of the United States. So, the American operation “Desert Storm” was supported in 1991, the Turkish border was opened for the entry of American troops into the territory of Northern Iraq.
        The creation of a single “Turkic world” (the ideas of the Great Turan) from the Adriatic to the Great Wall of China, the leading role of the “elder brother” for all Turkic peoples, primarily those that were formerly part of the USSR, was proclaimed as the main direction of its foreign policy in the region. The Turks unconditionally supported the aggression of NATO countries against Yugoslavia in 1995 and 1999.
        It is worth recalling that in the post-Soviet era, it was the Turkish special services that were among the most active foreign structures in Russia. Especially during the Chechen wars 1994-2006, when they fed the local separatists.
        Also, through their channels, the influence of some Arab countries (including Saudi Arabia), sponsoring separatists with money, supplying them with weapons and “volunteers”, was built in Grozny.
        It was in Turkey that the main training camps of Chechen fighters were located, through which, according to the Turkish press (for example, the political weekly magazine "Nocta"), five thousand Mujahideen, including about two thousand Turkish citizens, passed. The administrative and ideological work was undertaken by the branch of the nationalist organization Gray Wolves ...
        However, it is worth noting that the military confrontation between Russia and Turkey for 400 years has become a powerful incentive for the development of the domestic army and the Black Sea Fleet. The Russian Empire won eight clear victories over the Ottoman Empire from the 13 official wars, in which it suffered three defeats and two wars between Russia and Turkey ended with a neutral result that did not change the status quo, brought Russia substantial benefits ... After the first clashes with Turkey that took place in 1475 year, when Turkey conquered the Crimea, and up to 1914 year - the time of battles with the Turks in the Caucasus and Persia during the First World War.
        Today, in Russia-Turkey relations, economic interests have prevailed over politics ...
        Although I really want to see Turkey in ruins.
        1. +1
          21 December 2018 12: 03
          There are a lot of buccaffs ..... only you haven’t discovered America ... we all know about this, only there isn’t any other way out now, except to be friends with the Turks a bit .... the gas pipeline from the south doesn’t order the pipeline through them to other places in the EU .... and in addition to gas, we have something especially dense in comparable volumes. funds and there’s nothing to sell ......
          1. +2
            21 December 2018 14: 38
            Quote: Kent0001
            and in our country, besides gas, it was somehow especially in comparable volumes of den. funds and there’s nothing to sell ......

            If they wanted to, they would have made so much of gas that they would have bothered to export it! The closed cycle is good, the only problem is the equipment, in which no one wants to invest - if you sold gas, you received funds immediately, and if you invest in equipment, you have to "beat off" them first! Which of our "elite" in the first generation needs such a headache ?!
  5. +22
    20 December 2018 07: 08
    The whole sadness of this action lies in the fact that we again remain in the role of the side circled around the finger.

    There was nothing to lead friendship with the Turks. And after the downed Su-24 all the more. Such friends for one place and to the museum.
    And they would not have circled us around the finger. And then they decided to arrange the peaceful existence of 2 systems.
    What they wanted, they got it. With all the ensuing consequences.
    1. +4
      20 December 2018 10: 32
      Of course. After Su-24, it was necessary to destroy at least 2 Turkish fighters immediately in response with the simultaneous notification that in case of escalation of the conflict, Turkey would be completely destroyed by a nuclear strike
      1. 0
        24 December 2018 23: 51
        The destruction of 2 fighters could be missed, and immediately go from notifications to ...
  6. +31
    20 December 2018 07: 28
    But weren't Military Review experts happy to announce the new strategic partner - Turkey! And that NATO will fall apart with the departure of Turkey, which will join Russia. And Russia will soon take its place at the military bases of Turkey instead of the United States. And her goals - to suck two queens were clear from the very beginning to ordinary readers, without military education and study at military academies! And the same experts puffed out their cheeks and said that all amateurs and do not understand anything in military affairs.
    1. +5
      20 December 2018 09: 40
      They are the most! The same experts who buried Yuzhmash and called Thunder a plywood model and much, much, much ...
      1. +3
        20 December 2018 10: 04
        Yuzhmash buried itself. And for a very long time. And Ukrainian politicians finished it off.
    2. -4
      20 December 2018 10: 34
      It must really either fall apart, or significantly transform in the coming years, but of course not because of Turkey. Almost all of Europe will leave from there, except for Britain, Poland and the Baltic states.
    3. 0
      20 December 2018 13: 14
      Turks could join the EAEU (Nazarbayev suggested)
      and oust China from Slovakia-- did not agree on the prices and terms of the gesheft.
  7. +3
    20 December 2018 07: 56
    Well guys)) the Turks, though not Jews))) but they succeed everywhere))
  8. +6
    20 December 2018 08: 24
    The Turkish stream was actually built. The S-400 was sold, the nuclear power plant in Akkuyu is under construction. What's wrong? The Turks didn’t kiss the author’s poppy head? Ay-yy-yy, how terrible is fse ....
    1. +1
      21 December 2018 09: 07
      They are, of course, patriots. This is normal. But in 2017 Russia was very much sworn in love. And in talking about tomatoes, the main thing is tomatoes. I'm serious. They have hectares of greenhouses standing idle (they have them so that the tomatoes do not overheat). And a year without tourists almost ruined resort areas. And this is not only money. Kurds! It turns out that the bulk of seasonal workers are provided by the Kurds. And finding themselves without work, they are very upset, and they take up the machines. And the Turks, in private conversations, do not remember more about Suvorov and Yudenich. And about the fact that Turkey was the first buyer of Soviet armored vehicles, if you tell them, they immediately say that with Attaturk Turkey immediately became a friend of Russia, and friends do not refuse tomatoes.
      Until my last trip to Turkey, I had no idea that tomatoes for them, like Islam, are a religion.
      1. +1
        21 December 2018 12: 59
        So nobody canceled tomatoes, gas and nuclear fuel. It will be necessary - we will fasten the valve again.
        Erdogan is fighting for his interests - very good!
        So there is something to take it at the time of defending our interests.
  9. +18
    20 December 2018 08: 38
    The message of the article is not clear, they again deceived us. Turkey seems to have not yet refused to buy from 400, and the patriot goes as an addition and closure of white spots that are not visible from c400. In general, the Turks did not commit themselves to buying weapons only from the Russian Federation and selling their products only with the permission of the Russian Federation. Turkey, as a member of NATO, and so has a fairly independent policy, and at times contrary to its membership in NATO. So where your interests coincide, there is cooperation, where they do not coincide, look for a balance of interests.
    1. -5
      20 December 2018 10: 37
      How to complement dark spots, shield? What do you smoke? The S-400 radar is much better than that of the Patriot, although according to my calculations it’s not 2.5 times as indicated in the article, but slightly less - somewhere in 2.2-2.3
      1. +2
        20 December 2018 12: 27
        Quote: Hypersound
        How to complement dark spots, shield? What do you smoke? The S-400 radar is much better than that of the Patriot, although according to my calculations it’s not 2.5 times as indicated in the article, but slightly less - somewhere in 2.2-2.3

        The radar may or may not be better, but the curvature of the earth interferes with its missiles to effectively counteract an attack, as the author writes, and as stated by the Russian Defense Ministry when attacked with axes.
        1. +1
          20 December 2018 15: 05
          That is, the "Patriot" curvature of the earth does not interfere ???
          1. 0
            20 December 2018 16: 10
            Quote: Korb
            That is, the "Patriot" curvature of the earth does not interfere ???

            You read the article again, especially carefully where it says about the gas and gas steering wheels, and do not ask stupid questions, they will get the same stupid answer. hi
  10. -1
    20 December 2018 08: 48
    Ah yes Damantsev, oh yes ....
  11. +5
    20 December 2018 08: 50
    in the event of hostilities in the Ankara region, completely and completely ignores the provisions of the Montreux Convention, which provides for the blocking of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits during the period of involvement in the escalation of the Black Sea countries.
    Turkey will act in its own interests. And there is nothing surprising in this. If the Turks get everything they need from the states, nothing will prevent Turkey from fulfilling the terms of the convention and closing the straits. Especially if at the right time Turkey will have serious problems somewhere in another part of the country. The problem of the Kurds has not gone away, and I think that the Kurds themselves are used to the fact that the Kurds take advantage of all the interested parties. And the departure of Americans from Syria is beneficial not only to the Turks, but also to us and the Syrians.
  12. +3
    20 December 2018 08: 54
    [/ Quote]for the sake of own economic and military-technical benefits current Turkish leadership with an unpredictable leader[Quote]

    Here is the offer! This is analytics!
  13. +9
    20 December 2018 09: 10
    Readers once correctly noted that at Damantsev we’ll throw hats over all, or polymers have been pumped, it’s time to turn into a sheet and crawl into the cemetery. A third has never been given. Well, where did he get that the Turks again lay under the States? Does he think so? So he, excuse me, THINKS? There will not be enough thoughts. That the Turks is on their mind is just normal. It is not normal to get involved in a fruit before the hegemon and ask how high to jump. UAV to Ukraine? And in 2014, we did not yet have common affairs in Syria and the Americans have not yet organized an unsuccessful coup. So, Turkey had no obligations to Russia. But today the alignment is completely different. Never before have the States flirted with the Kurds so actively and tried to kill an ally president. After all this, the relations of these NATO members will never be the same. As for the Montreux Convention, the Turks did not dare to violate it even in that war at a time when everything for the USSR was hanging by a thread, and almost no one doubted the German victory. Nevertheless, they did not dare, although they were in alliance with the Germans and had grandiose plans for the Transcaucasus. They don’t dare even now. Especially against the background of nuclear superiority of the Russian Federation. And in general, is it time to stop considering yourself the only smart one in our country? That Turkey is a situational partner is clear to everyone and is emphasized everywhere. A temporary ally who, if it becomes permanent, is far from now. What does not interfere with conducting profitable trade and promoting joint projects. But with caution, and the buildup of forces in the Crimea is evidence of this. Then - why should the enemy provoke a big conflict in Ukraine? Sanctions impose? They are already introduced every three months, there would be a desire, and the excuse is always satiated. But a big war is another matter. There, after all, Ukrainians can be defeated and occupied much earlier than Western aid arrives. This is, if it comes at all, because no one apart from the States is eager to fight. And the Ukrainian bridgehead will be lost. Is the game worth the candle? First you need to answer these questions, then rush to scribble panic articles.
  14. +2
    20 December 2018 09: 20
    So now we don’t have to trade arms with anyone, assuming that the trading partner will do some dirty tricks? Each country first of all seeks profit exclusively for itself, and then they think about the other side of the agreement. Everything is natural.
    1. 0
      20 December 2018 10: 38
      Selling Turkey s-400 is of course a mistake
      1. +4
        20 December 2018 13: 15
        The export version and what goes into our armed forces differ markedly. Yes, and bookmarks are probably there just in case
  15. 5-9
    0
    20 December 2018 09: 58
    Some speculation and pressure. In WWII and the worst years of HV Montreux were not lost, but then suddenly they will. And what is the problem for NATO ships to pass in accordance with it? And, most importantly, why do they need it? To be drowned "by accident" or what?
    Well, the Turks are not fools, the Saudis demonstrated the effectiveness of the PAK-3 on the ancient SCADs, including the video "I am not an air defense missile system, I am an MLRS", why should they, except to bargain with us (if this is not generally the author's fierce delirium). The "delights" of the content of two air defense missile systems, one of which is already in 4 batteries, is also delivered.
    1. +2
      20 December 2018 10: 07
      Quote: 5-9
      Some speculation and escalation. In WWII, the most fierce years of HV Montreux were not cheated, but then they suddenly cheated.

      Because it is most beneficial to Turkey itself.
      And shoot yourself in the foot so Uncle Sam smiles patronizingly and forgets ... Turkey is not Ukraine
    2. 0
      20 December 2018 22: 26
      Quote: 5-9
      and the most fierce years of HV Montreux did not poher

      and GW
  16. 0
    20 December 2018 10: 28
    So we are preparing for an imminent provocation and war in the Black Sea, Russia needs a victory and the "Daggers" have goals, the stakes are very high as never before ..
    1. -7
      20 December 2018 10: 29
      Yes, and you don’t hesitate to hit the clusters of ships with a dagger with a nuclear warhead
  17. -3
    20 December 2018 10: 28
    Is this kinetic defeat so good? After all, the interceptor missile is not hypersonic, and you have to get it perfectly - you missed a little and the missile
    1. 0
      20 December 2018 13: 42
      Quote: Hypersound

      Is this kinetic defeat so good? After all, the interceptor missile is not hypersonic, and you have to get it perfectly - you missed a little and the missile

      Actually, I myself "puzzle": "hit-to kill" is good or bad ... what But try to explain, you can! When trying to use missiles (with high-explosive fragmentation warheads) as anti-missiles, some negative "nuances" emerged: fragmentation "streams" often turned out to be ineffective against certain types of warheads (for example, semi-armor-piercing ...). It was then that they decided to use Warhead of kinetic defeat! First of all, in order to "destroy" the warhead of an enemy ammunition ... secondly ... to change the trajectory of the ammunition as needed. The "fragmentation" missiles of the PAC-1/2 complexes could not fulfill the anti-missile combat mission in military conflicts! But the problem of a reliable defeat by the "hit-to kill" method, you are right, turned out to be extremely difficult and, in my opinion, 100% unsolved! As far as I know, when developing ERINT, the idea was considered (is being considered) to "add" a small explosive charge to the warheads of the anti-missile ... perhaps in order to hit the target during the flight (miss) in the case of a small miss value.
      1. 0
        20 December 2018 14: 33
        everything is simple .. the crowbars are needed for high-altitude interception of targets when the target is 40+ km from the surface.
  18. 0
    20 December 2018 10: 31
    All this is real nonsense, who has better missiles and anti-missiles. The main problem is that the Amers, that Russia has nuclear and bacteriological weapons. If on both sides someone decides that it is time to end with the whole world, all this will be used in Russia will reach Amers. And where will the world be? Fly away to the sky. They are not suicides. They only move their kneaded tongues so that they are known.
  19. 0
    20 December 2018 10: 53
    Quote: Snail N9
    Vaughn already, write (Bloomberg), that Erdogan, in order to restore relations with his "overseas partner", is already offering the Americans to investigate the S-400 complex. https://news.mail.ru/politics/35760782/?frommail=1 wink

    I wonder where the American financial publication with an annual income of $ 10 billion, information that at least draws on TOP SECRET? But not in order to again bleed someone with someone wink
    1. +2
      20 December 2018 11: 01
      I wonder where does the American financial publication with an annual income of $ 10 billion get information that at least draws on TOP SECRET?

      Ask these $ 10 billion ..... wink That "Erdogan" is a "situational partner", as they write here .... I hope they have not yet forgotten, the not so long-standing scandal that occurred when our, so to speak, "strategic partner" Indians invited American specialists "to visit" the Russian nuclear submarine ("Chakra" - not?), which they have on lease. wink
      1. +1
        20 December 2018 11: 09
        Duc didn’t seem to howl when the Americans dismantled S-300 souvenirs in Greece and Armenia. Turks will not share their secrets.
  20. +1
    20 December 2018 11: 02
    Quote: Hypersound
    Of course. After Su-24, it was necessary to destroy at least 2 Turkish fighters immediately in response with the simultaneous notification that in case of escalation of the conflict, Turkey would be completely destroyed by a nuclear strike

    MALADES, the problems are solved in that vein .. You’ll go further, you won’t find x @ pa!
    1. +2
      20 December 2018 17: 54
      I don’t understand such PR and S-400 advertising. It seems that these air defense systems are not used anywhere, they didn’t shoot down a single plane, helicopter or flying saucer. And they don’t see low-flying winged rockets because of the curvature of the earth’s surface. shoot like it is not comme il faut, in case they themselves are not targets.
  21. -1
    20 December 2018 11: 17
    Nevertheless, in order to study the S-400, you need to disassemble it and it’s not a fact that it will be possible to understand how and thanks to which it is so effective, and Russia will not allow it.
  22. +1
    20 December 2018 11: 44
    They didn’t finish it ..., they weren’t able to ..., recently only this is heard when it comes to the Russian military-industrial complex. Isn't it too early to get together with the whole world to fight?
    1. -1
      20 December 2018 11: 56
      We did not gather, they impose on us, weep and climb, scare us with the power of our overseas ...
      1. +3
        20 December 2018 12: 05
        If your Putin and Yeltsin were caring about the country, and not robbed and plundered, no one would dare to climb. And now, as they say, "it's too late to drink Borjomi when the kidneys have fallen off."
        1. -2
          20 December 2018 12: 18
          A large half of Russians are not satisfied with the second Stalin, so what to do, we are not quiet Switzerland but a superpower and its management requires titanic forces ...
        2. +1
          20 December 2018 13: 21
          Gorgeous statement! If your Gorbachevs had not betrayed the country, would not have ruined the state, everything would have been completely different. And now you just sit and tell who has robbed something, regretting that it’s not you. The trick is that if you ask about the specifics, you can not say anything other than sprinkling bile.
  23. 0
    20 December 2018 12: 37
    Trump and Erdogan in fact, our people - ensured the withdrawal of American troops and the suppression of Kurdish separatists in Syria, thereby freeing Russia up for action in Ukraine.

    And about the Montreux convention and all sorts of different "Patriots" - so no one canceled our tactical nuclear weapons and Gromyko's statement about "three straits" in place of Turkey bully:
  24. +1
    20 December 2018 12: 39
    The sober and balanced policy of Russia, aimed at defending and protecting the STATE interests and its people, is a means against any "surprises" on the part of partners and "partners". Unfortunately, there is a defense and upholding of the interests of the oligarchy, which "restored the enterprises of the Soviet industry" ...
    Ps And then there's the news: "Putin is pleased with Medvedev's team."
  25. +4
    20 December 2018 12: 40
    To be honest, once again I did not understand why we remain circled around the finger? Well, it is clear that the author of the article violently wants this and why?
    What did Turkey do from what it did not do before? And many things are done by our brothers from Belarus. Or were there any agreements that Turkey will not do all the things listed by the author and she violated this? The naivete and attempts to pass Turkey off as our allies and closest friends are simply amazing for some authors.
  26. 0
    20 December 2018 13: 58
    The author is not correctly trying to compare the GOS missiles MIM-104 ... and 48N6! The MIM-104 ... has a TVM-type guidance system ("missile guidance") ... you can find the following definition: "semi-active radar sighting" (!) ... 48N6 has a "full-fledged" semi-active radar seeker (!). The developed 9M96 has a high-explosive fragmentation warhead, not a "kinetic" one!
  27. 0
    20 December 2018 14: 31
    One humble question to "hexpert" Damantsev ... what will they "lead us around"?
  28. 0
    20 December 2018 15: 09
    Of course, such steps by Turkey have been calculated. They fully meet the interests of their country, and our foreign policy experts once again found themselves in the category of deceived. We have not yet understood that "to promise does not mean to marry." Today we see that Turkey got everything it wanted from both Russia and the United States, and the ostentatious attacks towards the Americans were taken by the Russian authorities at face value. All that remains is to praise Erdogan and his Foreign Ministry for the successful operation to "divorce" Russia, alas, but this is so!
  29. 0
    20 December 2018 15: 55
    I'd be happy . if my government so skillfully divorced the Turks or Americans. But we can't. how can you cheat "partners"?
  30. 0
    20 December 2018 15: 56
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Such requests must comply. Is the Russian economy, the military industrial complex, the armed forces of Russia and society ready for such increments of territory and consequences? If the country is shaking from sanctions for the lousy Skripale, what will happen after the annexation of Istanbul?

    After the expansion of the Bosphorus and Dardanelles - we may not find Istanbul
  31. 0
    20 December 2018 15: 58
    Such despicable behavior of the Turks only says that it is beneficial to some "ours". At stake "grandma". And for all this the blood of OUR people (in Syria, in the Donbass). And the "guarantor" only grins. ...
  32. 0
    20 December 2018 16: 46
    What did you want from a NATO member country? Yes, let them all climb into the Black Sea, there they will have a common grave, without a war it still will not work, but everyone is ready for it.
  33. +1
    20 December 2018 16: 58
    pleases the fact of weakness of export modifications with -400
  34. +1
    20 December 2018 17: 07
    [quote] [/ This deal, which is another "stone in the garden" of the LDNR armies and units of the Russian army in the South-East Military District, could be approved by the Turkish side only in exchange for receiving critical technologies in the rocket-building industry, which are available to specialists of the Yuzhnoye Design Bureau ( including data on the GTR-2 OTRK project), as well as in exchange for the technologies for the production of the Duplet and AKKOR Pulat active protection complexes (licensed copy of the Ukrainian ZAZLON-L KAZ revised conceptual analogue of the Soviet KAZ Dozhd) . quote]
    Where did Damantsev get this information? In the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or in Turkey?
  35. -2
    20 December 2018 23: 58
    Why are you hanging on to Turkey? Turkey is a NATO member, it has never been with Russia and will never be, and from whom it is up to what weapons to buy. And for the "hurray patriots" who decided to seize Istanbul, I repeat once again, Turkey is a NATO member whose army is one of the ten strongest in the world and when you try to do something like that with Georgia or Ukraine, you can get a lot in the "face".
  36. 0
    21 December 2018 04: 40
    The Kars agreement, concluded by the Judeo-Bolsheviks, will come back to us more than once. We shouldn’t get in the way. We don’t have generous gifts at the expense of anyone else. The Jews apparently still hold on to their chain dogs.
  37. 0
    21 December 2018 06: 21
    Now they are talking about low-power nuclear weapons, but can they be put on c300, c400, c500 of the order of 10-30 kilotons, then the radius of destruction can increase? Well this is my opinion.
    1. Egg
      0
      21 December 2018 07: 34
      At the time, the S-200 and S-75 were special. Warhead, I think that on modern such is provided
  38. 0
    21 December 2018 09: 55
    Guys, why did you follow the path of a military informant? They, too, until 14, everything was fine, and then the articles were divided into two types: half with photographs of the world's most powerful tank "Oplot" with enthusiastic reviews, and half about how bad everything is in neighboring Russia.
    Previously, it was pleasant to read you, but now, every article, the continuous "everything is gone." What changed?
  39. 0
    21 December 2018 14: 25
    and Turkey does these patriot trinkets already buy?
  40. 0
    21 December 2018 15: 54
    I strongly doubt that Turkey will openly tear Montreux. This is extremely unprofitable for all parties to the conflict, creates chaos and is completely unpredictable in some perspective. Especially for Turkey itself.
  41. 0
    21 December 2018 20: 24
    Damn, did someone expect something else?
    Naive Chukchi youths ... India - a boat, Turkey - S-400, Ukraine - T-64 and everything else, look at our government, all their families abroad in the West, in case of a nuclear strike, we’ll even shoot back nowhere to go.
  42. -1
    22 December 2018 00: 40
    Russia and Turkey have never been allies.
    On the contrary.
    But under the current conditions, the Kremlin is ready to conclude an alliance treaty against the United States, even with the devil.
    1. -1
      22 December 2018 21: 39
      By the way, the "yellow vests", like the "maidanut" horses, are pro-Americans! More precisely, it is a group of individuals who incite coups to please the United States! She appeared in Europe after the announcement of the creation of an independent European army, and successfully staged riots similar to the "Maidan" in Ukraine! Also, if you pay attention to exchange rates, then the euro has fallen significantly, which brings it to the dollar! Yes, actually what I am telling - everyone already knows it! Nothing personal, but choose your nicknames carefully! :)
      1. 0
        24 December 2018 13: 18
        The dollar is 70 rubles.
        Put things in order on your household, then teach life.
  43. 0
    22 December 2018 09: 01
    It’s strange, of course, that China shot down an over-the-horizon target in the C 400 tests, but according to the author, Turkey certainly won’t bring it down, hmm ...
  44. 0
    22 December 2018 19: 00
    The Soviet hit-to-kill system in 1968 forced our regiment to spend an extra month at the training ground. The breeders fired missiles without a warhead, and we were in the wings if they missed. Didn't miss! I had to wait for my turn. But they fired the "grandfathers" of modern anti-aircraft missiles!
  45. +1
    22 December 2018 19: 44
    Damantsev, but nothing that the Bloomberg agency, which organized this anonymous stuffing allegedly on behalf of two unnamed high-ranking military men from the Pentagon (which all non-prolific media, including allegedly Russian ones, helpfully carried in their beaks) ALREADY published a rebuttal after a request from the US Department of Defense? And then I look at the indignant posts glowing and peremptory statements are being made? :))) As always? putinsl?
  46. -1
    22 December 2018 20: 57
    Quote: Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
    Such requests must comply. Is the Russian economy, the military industrial complex, the armed forces of Russia and society ready for such increments of territory and consequences? If the country is shaking from sanctions for the lousy Skripale, what will happen after the annexation of Istanbul?

    Is the country shaking from sanctions? In my opinion, the negligence and connivance of the authorities of all levels, covered by "import" for many years, were simply "revealed"! Ali won't let you into Europe? So sit at home and set up production! Europe, the "friends of our friends", "who are not our comrades at all", have "fed"! Personally, it doesn't shake me at all! As I received my salary in rubles for products, so I get it! And for Istanbul it’s yes: if Germany will stop selling Boomers and Merens to us, and pasta spaghetti, all of Russia will die of hunger and walking! Personally, I have only panties in the wash from Europe, and even then I can replace them with Russian ones! Europe did not rattle me at all! And you, my friend, do not work in the Duma for an hour, otherwise yes, you need to panic, you are not shaking like a child from the sanctions! :)
  47. 0
    22 December 2018 21: 13
    It is high time for Russia to create a "Black List of Countries" to which it costs nothing to sell newer slingshots! Otherwise, tomorrow the Patriots will "finalize" the S-400 and no one will take these S-400s! Benefits zero, profit in the pocket of "another uncle", and ours the day after tomorrow is even more new development to the same "traitor" countries, and again - the same rake! And that we - a penny, and "Uncle Sam" - billions! We are straight "businessmen" not VIP! Loshariki masochists of some sort! Greed sometimes does not lead to good and you need to open your eyes to whom and what you are selling! These are not cigarettes pushed to youngsters, here the interests of the country!
    1. 0
      25 December 2018 00: 01
      They don’t remake anything, it’s not so simple. The Chinese have still not even risen to the Korean auto industry, what can we say about German. In addition, as Zhirinovsky said, we already have the S-600, S-700, etc. )
  48. 0
    22 December 2018 21: 28
    Quote: yellow vest
    Russia and Turkey have never been allies.
    On the contrary.
    But under the current conditions, the Kremlin is ready to conclude an alliance treaty against the United States, even with the devil.

    Then why not be surprised to find a pitchfork in the rear? :) The second pitchfork "of the devil next to the" brotherly trident "?
  49. 0
    23 December 2018 16: 33
    It is not for nothing that the well-known Kozma Prutkov used to say: "You cannot embrace the immensity," and it is impossible to sit on two chairs at once. Well, like "Eat a fish and sit on one place." wink
  50. 0
    24 December 2018 08: 36
    What's the problem? Let them buy from us and from amers. Let the "guys from the pipe" invest a little money in defense institutions. Our scientists have no worse heads, missiles - I think interceptors will do it quickly!
  51. 0
    25 December 2018 18: 34
    are unable to destroy over-the-horizon targets or objects maneuvering with overloads of more than 20-25G.


    Either I didn’t understand or the Chinese said the wrong thing, but just the other day they intercepted a ballistic missile over the horizon just like the S400 doesn’t seem to be able to
  52. 0
    12 January 2019 22: 26
    explain why a kinetic blank is better than shrapnel