NI: Moscow is ready to uncover the "Dead Hand"

American Journal The National Interest publishes another article on the “deadly” Russian weapons. It is worth noting that the nature of the publications in this publication is very specific, and the same Russian weapons are sometimes touted, sometimes fall under the arrows of author’s criticism. This time, The National Interest is talking about the so-called Doomsday weapons - the Perimeter system, which in the West is called the Dead Hand.

From the material:

If the United States starts deploying medium-range missiles in Europe (after withdrawing from the INF Treaty), Russia will consider adopting the doctrine proactive nuclear strike.

From the article:

Russia has experience in the development of weapons, which, at least on paper, look awesome: cruise missiles with a nuclear power plant, robotic submarines with 100 megatons warheads.

Now, as the author of the publication, Michael Peck, Moscow "ready to uncover deadly" Perimeter "(or" Dead Hand ")".

At the same time, it was stated that the US withdrawal from the Treaty on the Elimination of Intermediate-Range and Shorter-Range Missiles at the same time leads Moscow into “fury” and “horror”.

Further, NI refers to the former commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Viktor Esin, who, in an interview with the Zvezda shopping center, recently announced continuing work on the Perimeter system after the collapse of the USSR.

Esin's statement that the Perimeter exists and even went through an improvement was confused by the United States. At the same time, the author of the article in the NI declares: “If“ Perimeter ”is now publicly discussed in Russia, then this is a cause for concern for the rest.”

After this, the question arises: so who specifically causes a “horror” situation with the INF.

It is worth recalling that the system "Perimeter" - a complex of automatic control RESPONSE massive nuclear strike. What kind of proactive blow from Russia in question, it is not clear.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

In general, the concept of reciprocal counter YU is somehow flawed.

[Svarog]

Quote: Zaurbek

In general, the concept of reciprocal counter YU is somehow flawed.

So I think so ...

[Zaurbek]

And if we butt with a large non-nuclear country ... long and bloody ... what not to crave nuclear weapons on it ?! Wait until they begin to defeat us?

[Hypersound]

There are no non-nuclear countries that we cannot defeat with conventional weapons

[Svarog]

Quote: Hypersound

There are no non-nuclear countries that we cannot defeat with conventional weapons

Come on .. NATO, together with the USA, it will be difficult for us to master without nuclear weapons .. look at the correlation of numbers in manpower and in technology .. You’re probably confusing it with the USSR .. there, yes, there were no equal ..

[stalki]

There are no non-nuclear countries that we cannot defeat with conventional weapons

Come on .. NATO, together with the USA, it will be difficult for us to master without nuclear weapons .. look at the correlation of numbers in manpower and in technology .. You’re probably confusing it with the USSR .. there, yes, there were no equal ..

Let's be precise. NATO is not a country This is a military-political bloc, which includes a bush of countries.


So this is largely true.

There are no non-nuclear countries that we cannot defeat with conventional weapons

especially the word non-nuclear.

[For example]

Quote: Svarog

You are probably confusing it with the USSR .. yes there, there were no equal ..

Of course!
Chewing gum and a cocoa with jeans smashed the Union indestructible.

Though get out of my way, but it's a FACT.

Do not forget that the army is only a tool in the hands of politicians. Wise politicians solve things without using this tool.

For example, now the Russian Federation has a strong army that can repel any aggression.
And at the same time, the Chubais-Medvedevs with the supreme leader continue to sell the country.

They whine about the "provocation" of Ukraine in the Kerch Strait instead of a tough and understandable reaction to the violation of the country's border.
This is not a provocation, it is a violation of the border of the Russian Federation.

And you say "there was no equal".

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: For example

They whine about the "provocation" of Ukraine in the Kerch Strait instead of a tough and understandable reaction to the violation of the country's border.
This is not a provocation, it is a violation of the border of the Russian Federation.

Violators are detained and are sitting on bunks awaiting trial. The violators' ships were detained and are at our "impound". The juntics whine, they whine mattresses with European sixes with demands to release the "innocent victims." Through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, in dry diplomatic language, they were sent by the forest in the direction of a landmark having three letter meaning. What's wrong?

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Everything is so, and therefore these guys sit in Komilag, sharpening "pencils" in the taiga!

[igorka357]

Also such as "for example" whine!

[vetta]

Give them to Krajina, how to drink to give

[revnagan]

Quote: For example

not a provocation is a violation of the border of the Russian Federation.

Until these "borders" are recognized by the world community, these are just conditional lines that the Russian Federation holds with the help of brute physical force and only on these grounds considers it its border. Thus, the Russian Federation has created a dangerous precedent, in that including for their territory ...

[kitt409]

And when was holding without power?

[d1975]

Remove the pan from your head and you will immediately have the correct lines! Do you yourself believe in rubbish? They need to be drowned by these geeks and that’s all, and the gas should not be closed from the word to fascists !!! Well, I wish you to meet you who left the brain in a year of piglet !!! Maybe Pedro Tesa will invest a couple of grams of gray)))))

[Hypersound]

They violated the border, which was Russian even before the annexation of Crimea

[Douel]

So the Kuban with Rostov and Stavropol are considered by the "proto-Sumerians" to be theirs, and therefore they swam (they swam, not entered) with a claim to these territories. The fact that they did not sink is even more humiliating (in my opinion) than drowning. From the category "even a bullet about you to stain the seabed ...".

[Setrac]

Quote: revnagan

Until these "borders" are recognized by the world community, these are just conditional lines that are held in the Russian Federation with the help of brute physical force and only on these grounds it considers its border.

In any case, borders are conventional lines held by the country's armed forces - and this is about ALL state borders in the world.

[Witness 45]

A precedent was created by NATO, when they squeezed Kosovo from Serbia, or England on the Falkland Islands, the Strait of Gibraltar, Spain considers its own, but it does not rush to the rampage, as the Ukrainians did.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

The precedent was not created by Russia. The borders of Yugoslavia were redrawn quite recently by well-known participants: the United States and NATO. In addition, there are a lot of agreements and rules that these "guys" are actively and successfully violated. Today, little remains of world international law have remained. Nothing remained of a number of states with recognized borders: Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan .... The desire to do the same actions against Syria and not only is obvious .... Do you propose to continue playing nobly with cheaters and their deck? Or is what America is doing today is an example of diplomatic activity? Such is the case, comrade revnagan!

[igorka357]

And who else should determine its borders, of course only Russia, our country should put a huge bolt on the rest, and shit from the mountain at you, at your thoughts about dangerous precedents! Zadolbali already to teach us! It’s time for your teachers to raise their brains!

[Abalkin]

These boundaries have been recognized by the international community, as were the border of the Russian Federation until 2014.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: For example

Chewing gum and a cocoa with jeans smashed the Union indestructible.

But you are talking about the moral part of the question. USSR Army no one broke))

[igorka357]

Ohhh .. everything is clear, a hackneyed topic, chewing gum, Coca-Cola ... you retell stupid cliches, without even realizing it! And how did you want to respond to violation of the state border, bomb the country of the offender? Then you need to bomb all around our borders Are you a smart guy? And in Ukraine, when some kind of devil’s landing to them across the border was locked up, also to start a war with the Russian Federation? In short, that I split up, even after chewing with Coca-Cola, you could not pay attention to you!

[Black sniper]

Yes there. NATO without the USA? Compare their military capabilities with China + DPRK.

[Misha Honest]

One percent?

[purple]

Quote: Svarog

Come on .. NATO, together with the USA, it will be difficult for us to master without nuclear weapons .. look at the correlation of numbers in manpower and in technology .. You’re probably confusing it with the USSR .. there, yes, there were no equal ..

NATO type non-nuclear chtoli at all?

[KCA]

There are 3 nuclear countries in NATO - the United States, France and England, but how exactly can a nuclear country be considered only the United States, France and England are of the type - and I also have one, in the strategic plan they are 0

[NEXUS]

Quote: KCA

In NATO 3, the nuclear countries - the USA, France and England,

Of these countries, only two have a full-fledged nuclear triad.

[Misha Honest]

Quote: NEXUS

Of these countries, only two have a full-fledged nuclear triad.

Who is this? With pin-dos-tan, I see. But in England - 3 nuclear submarines in the ranks and even at a joke ... France seems to have only mine-based missiles. And even then France in NATO is purely for fun ...

[Aibolit]

Quote: Misha Honest

France seems to have only mine-based missiles.

Missile mines on the Albion Plateau were dismantled in 1998!

* 4 French Triomphant type submarines in total can be equipped with 64 missiles (MSBS M45 or M51 / M51.2) or 384 thermonuclear warheads.
* 60 ASMP / ASMP-Class air-to-ground cruise missiles

+ 10 of the same for the French Navy

Quote: NEXUS

Of these countries, only two have a full-fledged nuclear triad.

1. What is the difference: full or not?
2. There is a full-fledged only in the United States, France removed from service the SSBS S-3
And the development of SSBS S-4 is discontinued

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Aibolit

1. What is the difference: full or not?
2. There is a full-fledged only in the United States, France removed from service the SSBS S-3
And the development of SSBS S-4 is discontinued

Especially. Who cares who wipes you off the face of the earth? Although the frogmen will have to sweat for this ...

[KCA]

In England, nuclear submarines are armed with Tridents with a flight range of 300 km; the Americans did not make them an exception to the non-proliferation treaty. Otkel threaten we will be Russian?

[Aibolit]

Quote: KCA

In England, nuclear submarines are armed with Tridents with a flight range of 300 km; the Americans did not make them an exception to the non-proliferation treaty.

...
I will upset you: the minimum launch range of the UGM-133A Trident II (D5), if I have not forgotten, 3700-4200 km
Tell a tale of 300 km by the British Navy, which had modified UGM-27 Polaris A3T SLBMs equipped with the Chevaline Penetration System and BB ET.317 on the Mk.2 ReB (Re-entry Bus) breeding platform

[KCA]

No need to upset me, I made a mistake in writing, there are no Tridents in England, they have Tomahawks with a range of 300km

[Aibolit]

was mistaken in writing, there are no Tridents in England

don't scare me


HMS Astute can carry up to 48 nuclear warheads

160 nuclear warheads

4 vanguard class submarines deployed at the base in Faslane, Scotland. Each of them can carry up to 16 Trident missiles (with a range of 10 kilometers) with a maximum of 000 combat heads on board.

16 underground bunkers for storing nuclear weapons in Culport near Faslan - the development and manufacture of warheads at a special facility for atomic weapons (ATS) in Aldermaston, England.

Quote: KCA

They have tomahawks with a range of 300km

1.Storm Shadow/SCALP

Warhead: 450 kg, type BROACH non-nuclear

2. RoyalNAVi has Tomahawk Block IV (TacTom) this is RGM / UGM-109E
Tactical Tomahawk Range of surface / underwater launches 1600 km - 2400 km only 45 pieces.
But they have a problem: the Sylver SVP on the new destroyer of the 45th type is not able to use the TacTom tomahawk, because the A50 launcher, which is the 45th type, is too short for weapons (a longer A70 will be needed). However, the Type 45 was designed with a margin of weight and space for an Mk41 or Sylver A70 length hopper to be upgraded, which allows Type 45 to use Block IV TLAM if necessary. The new Type 26 frigates will have Mk41 VLS drums.

and 20-65 pieces of RGM / UGM-109D TLAM-D (Block III), range 1250 km

Warhead: cartridge 166 BE combined action BLU-97 / B CEB or OFBCH WDU-36 / B, 340 kg (PBXN-107 Type 2) or penetrating WDU-43 / B

non-nuclear
tch Once again you were mistaken, shopping malls 1 and 2 have no relation to this issue

[KCA]

FROM VO: "Now let's move on to the missile armament. As expected, all Astute class submarines have received or will receive Tomahawk tactical missiles. Firing will also be carried out with cruise missiles from the torpedo compartments."

[Aibolit]

Quote: KCA

FROM VO: "Now let's move on to the rocket armament. As expected, all Astute class submarines have received or will receive Tomahawk tactical missiles."

1.

Why do we need VO?
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/the-equipment/submarines/fleet-submarines/astute-class

Tomahawk IV - known in the Royal Navy as TLAM (Tomahawk Land Attack cruise missile) - allows submarines to strike ground targets hundreds of miles from shore with high accuracy.

The rocket has been used in the underwater service since the late 1990s.
Tomahawk IV - the latest version of the rocket. She has a greater range than his predecessors (over 1000 miles) can be aimed at a new target in flight, and can also transfer battlefield images back to its mother submarine.
2. They have them

But this does not mean that the UK does not have the UGM-133A Trident II (D5)

Quote: Aibolit

4 submarines avant-garde class

SSBN Vanguard

[hydrox]

Quote: NEXUS

Of these countries, only two have a full-fledged nuclear triad.

Well yes :: and only Russia has a Perimeter ...
The author does not understand what to weave about "uncovering" is to say nonsense, because the Perimeter has been in readiness for the arrival of the starting coding for decades, and it can be "covered" only by cutting off the power supply together with the backup sources (ie, blowing up) and EVERYONE understands that it is not given to ANYONE TO DO IT ...

[KOJIXO3HuK]

I would suggest that if it comes to a nuclear confrontation, the whole of Europe will "fall off" from NATO and demand that the United States immediately stop the military operation against Belarus and Russia. This will be facilitated by "sleeping" agents in the governments of European countries. If sabotage groups join this, then half of Europe will be de-energized (by the way, we can do this without saboteurs - desynchronization of power grids on our part)

[Hypersound]

You definitely carefully read what I wrote?

[Zaurbek]

Take at least Turkey ....

[Topotun]

Perhaps we will win, but the question price? We are only 140 million people. Not so much. What remains of the country of the winner? With a long and ordinary war? We did not really depart from World War II.

[Zaurbek]

That’s what I’m writing about ... and you can gasp and save people.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Zaurbek

That’s what I’m writing about ... and save people.

... and with the topic, who rested stolen for the cordon will reckon ...

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Topotun

We did not really depart from World War II.

We have not yet departed from Yeltsin, that’s the main problem. The damage that the Yeltsin regime inflicted on us is much greater than the Second World War, and in all areas, including this system and other strategic nuclear forces systems.

[Hypersound]

During the reign of Yeltsin, Russia's GDP fell by a larger amount than the GDP of the RSFSR during the Second World War. I am not kidding

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Hypersound

I am not kidding

So I am serious. And this gap continues to widen despite Putin’s attempts to stabilize this situation under current politics. Something that’s not very impressive is his optimism on the forums and in front of the cameras. I’m trying to understand him, and I can’t. I don’t have a soul for his methods rule of Russia.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Mar. Tira

I’m trying to understand him, and I can’t. My soul does not lie with his methods of governing Russia.

Yes, I don’t like everything ... I, too ... And .. Zyuganov and Sobchak and others like it even less .. What to do, who is to blame ... We need to look into the past ... The immediate past is Yeltsin, Gorbachev. Problems from them ... Russia alone cannot rise quickly. To recover from the blow delivered by the builders ... We need to be united, all together, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan ... Without this, it will be difficult and difficult for us for a long time ... Unfortunately, this is fantastic .........

[Essex62]

Nothing fantastic, a change in the social system is inevitable that will inevitably lead to the restoration of the Empire within its former borders. Everyone wants a high social and social state.

[Xnumx vis]

I don’t want the distribution of goods (apartments, televisions, queues for kindergartens) by party bureaucrats ... ... It was already ... There should be a high social state! Just what it is!

[Witness 45]

And it’s not mine, but the most important thing here is that it’s not in the “Stalinist way”, this is how the poor “perestroika” who came to power in 85 said something like this.

[akribos]

What victory can we talk about? We don’t even produce our own antibiotics, the same for children’s dry mixes, other drugs are the same.
Industry does nothing other than tanks. That cheap in the form of a power tool with the nameplate "Made in Russia", are made in China, our only box / at best /.
Do you think China will subscribe in case of what? Horseradish! Europe and the USA, its main economic partners.
Myths about the fact that NATO states are militarily weak are sheer stupidity. Remind IRAQ, SERBIA, LIBYA, Conflicts of Israel with its neighbors / in them, on the one hand, Western military thought on the other, ours.
It is enough for us to turn off the Internet, restrict cellular and wire communications, disconnect us from the banking system and the whole war is not needed "Stone Age". The economy will rise.
The only war in which we can not win, but at least avenge the dead comrades, is the fifth generation war, i.e. Thermonuclear. However, even in this case, we will adequately answer if we start first, otherwise, our blow will not be fatal.
I think no one wants that.
Ps Except 6,5 and 7 chambers.

[Hypersound]

Lol, they bombed Iraq in 91 for a month before starting land, otherwise they would not have been able to recapture Qatar. And there the whole Nata gathered, pulled there just everything they could. But it was the peak of the power of the West. Now the United States, for example, is weaker than other countries than in 91. They are even afraid to attack Iran, because it’s 50:50, and you are talking about Russia ...

[akribos]

Qatar, they did not beat off at all.

[Hypersound]

Maybe I got a little confused, but the meaning, I think, is clear

[your1970]

Quote: Hypersound

They are even afraid to attack Iran, because 50: 50, and you are talking about Russia ...

- Moreover - they are even afraid in the DPRK

[Hypersound]

Quote: akribos

Thermonuclear. However, even in this case, we will adequately answer if we start first, otherwise, our blow will not be fatal.

What the hell is this? Do you think that the Russian leadership, having discovered hundreds and thousands of missiles flying in their direction with the help of the latest over-the-horizon stations and satellites, will wait until they reach their target, explode and only then respond? : D Lol. Of course, immediately, without waiting for the consequences, the button will be pressed "Erase from the face of the Earth the United States, the rest of NATO members, as well as the rest of the sixes

[KOJIXO3HuK]

You can play the disconnection of communication together! We have preserved underground cable telecommunications. Without communication, we will not stay. Plus, the military has its own channels. The bank payment has been duplicated where the data center is state secret. And we can cut intercontinental communication cables to them. Drive satellites out of orbit. We can turn off radio communications in Europe, we won’t leave neither cellular, nor relay, nor satellite! Excuse me, but we have not yet forgotten how to throw our hats. Just harness for a long time ...

[Misha Honest]

The Chinese will eat the winner. If you survive of course ...

[antivirus]

the triangle will be drunk, be it at least "Perimeter" or a bisector

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Hypersound

There are no non-nuclear countries that we cannot defeat with conventional weapons

Australia for example ...... there is no fleet capable of solving this problem

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Tiksi-3

Australia for example ...... there is no fleet capable of solving this problem

When there is no fleet - use IL-76

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Misha Honest

When there is no fleet - use IL-76

type of air defense and fighters among the Australians do not have ....

Quote: your1970

why do we need to beat Australia

I don’t need it, I answered the question above

[Misha Honest]

So under the guise of fighters. Only a stupid person will send transporters without cover ... And what about air defense Australia a controversial question - in the northwest of the continent there is almost a continuous desert and very few cities - what can be covered there with air defense? Probably, if you want, you can slip through - the coast of the continent is too large.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Misha Honest

So under the guise of fighters.

gee-gee ..... what kind of fighters do we have to fly to Australia ?? ..... yes, and tankers will need tankers that will refuel IL-76, and who will refuel fighters ?? ..... and they have EM and air defense frigates ..... they will start to shoot down long before Australia

[Misha Honest]

Quote: Tiksi-3

what kind of fighters do we have to fly to Australia ??

If you start with Indonesia (you need to negotiate) or Timor (easier to capture), you will fly.

Quote: Tiksi-3

Yes, and tankers will need tankers who will refuel IL-76, and who will refuel fighters ??

We will ask the Chinese tankers - they have a lot of them, and they don’t like Australians either.

Quote: Tiksi-3

and they have EM and air defense frigates

BrahMos to the rescue. Put ahead of the Tu-22m3 with brahmos - let them clear away frigates and other garbage ...

[your1970]

Quote: Tiksi-3

Australia for example ...... there is no fleet capable of solving this problem

- why do we need to beat Australia ? She is what you are guilty of?
the antipodes are sitting there quietly, especially not blather .....

[Misha Honest]

Quote: your1970

"Why do we need to defeat Australia? What is it to you to do something wrong?"

We want to look at the kangaroo, but they do not give reptiles.

Quote: your1970

the antipodes are sitting there quietly, especially not blather .....

Actually blather - and constantly. We got it already.

[margo2000]

So big and believe in fairy tales

[Lighten]

Are you ready to pay the life of your child for ........ The fact that someone will wage a conventional war? In the ass of such politicians. They attacked us .... After the fifth warning shot of the border guard, a tactical shot ... And if you do not decide to erase them from the map

[Black sniper]

Normal strategy !!! We, as Heroes, defenders of our Motherland, will go straight to Paradise, and the rest will simply die !!!

[Misha Honest]

You will fight with them in paradise, dear Hero.

[tol100v]

Quote: Zaurbek

And if we butt with a large non-nuclear country ..

But I wonder, where on the globe did you find a large and non-nuclear country that was going to "butt" with Russia? As for the "Perimeter", it won't take long to reprogram it!

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Tol100v

Where did you find a large and non-nuclear country on the globe that was going to "butt" with Russia?

It is very close, one might say close. It is called Ukraine so far. It has "already started" the war. Didn't you notice ???????????????

[astepanov]

And I don’t think so. If you are cut, then you need to protect yourself in any way possible. And if the cutter knows that when you die, you release his guts, then he will think a hundred times before attacking. Therefore, containment systems are not only effective, but also highly moral.

[Zaurbek]

And it’s better on the approach a bullet in the forehead ... that would not start cutting!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Zaurbek

And it’s better on the approach a bullet in the forehead ... that would not start cutting!

This is already an excess of permissible self-defense standards. It’s better to do prophylaxis and remove sharp objects from durik in advance. How to do this with the enemy’s nuclear potential, I can’t even imagine.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: astepanov

And if the cutter knows that when you die, you release his guts, then he will think a hundred times before attacking.

And if someone who is planning to cut will see with his own eyes how those who were especially zealous and loudly shouting "Atu!" Turn to dust and soot, then he will not only lose the desire to cut and his hands will be taken away, he will be so scared that he will start to write and even shit ... "

[Misha Honest]

Finally, the normal opinion of a normal man! It’s only better to give the enemy eggs in advance - so as not to stupid ...

[your1970]

Quote: astepanov

And I don’t think so. If you are cut, then you need to protect yourself in any way possible. And if the cutter knows that when you die, you release his guts, then he will think a hundred times before attacking. Therefore, containment systems are not only effective, but also highly moral.

-dadada !!! certainly restraining action !!!
In the USA there is even such a game as "Cut the White Out" - in a country where any there may even be more than one oncoming one - but a couple of trunks for example .... and blacks continue to play it ....
apparently the conditions of the game were poorly read - that the oncoming one may have a cop and he can kill you
And yes, they kill, only blacks continue to play .....

[KOCMOC]

Quote: Zaurbek

In general, the concept of reciprocal counter YU is somehow flawed.

Wrong.
The concept of a retaliatory strike refers to the use of strategic nuclear forces in relation to the United States.
A preemptive or preemptive strike in this case is related to the use of tactical nuclear weapons against NATO advanced forces.

[ancestors from Don]

The "perimeter" system is not a myth, but actually existed in the USSR, of course now it is difficult to assess its combat readiness and quantitative indicators, but one thing is good that the "partners" also remember about it))), as I came across a photo collage of the work of the "perimeter", horror (((nuclear mushrooms, radioactive glow of the sky against the background of charred ruins and contrails from incoming missiles (((it is better not to bring it to this.

[Svarog]

Quote: ancestors from the Don

The "perimeter" system is not a myth, but actually existed in the USSR, of course now it is difficult to assess its combat readiness and quantitative indicators

It still exists .. moreover in the updated version ..

[hydrox]

Quote: Svarog

It still exists .. moreover in the updated version ..

... no further than this summer, a new Nudol was tested for her (successfully) ...

[Halado Romane]

Moscow is experiencing horror only in one thing, and from the insane behavior of partners and the complete lack of maturity irresponsible without any doubt! Otherwise, if our weapons were on paper, then these same partners would not jump out the windows with eyes bulging from animal horror and the Russians cry out with a cry, but would divide Siberia!

[tol100v]

Quote: Halado romane

but from the irresponsible without any doubt the behavior of partners and complete incompatibility!

If "these partners" were in their impunity, then Russia (and before the USSR) would not exist for a long time! These creatures are stopped only by the inevitability of punishment, which they call unacceptable damage! DAMAGES and dummies think only about Damage!

[KOJIXO3HuK]

I agree. Even under Yeltsin, the Americans acted delicately "will you cut a warhead for us? And two more?" And further - more: gently, delicately pushed us to cut even more important ships and missile systems. But there was no attempt to harshly influence foreign policy, because they were softly influencing from within! Aware of all the threat that the USSR, even a dismembered one, could pose, they acted softly. And we sold ourselves for rubber sausage. Now hysteria has begun, most likely the plan for the remilitarization of Red Russia has cracked at the seams and no one can update it. We need a new Brzezinski, this patriot of Russia has done a lot to contain the external enemy! For 70 years he had been broadcasting to the Americans that the Russians are stronger than them in everything, and that victory will come a little more. I think it is necessary to award this high political figure with the Order of Something for outstanding services to the Fatherland!

[Tusv]

Quote: Zaurbek

In general, the concept of reciprocal counter YU is somehow flawed.

Why so? The Americans in the 90s could well overcome the Far East with acceptable losses. Well, not Faberge zhezh prevented them from doing this

[Hypersound]

How? Of course, in response to the war in our Far East, we would give strategists on their territory

[Tusv]

Quote: Hypersound

How? Of course, in response to the war in our Far East, we would give strategists on their territory

They asked a question themselves and answered
Zaurbek declared the defectiveness of the retaliatory nuclear strike, I spoke about the defectiveness of the attempt to conquer the Far East. You answered we would give strategists on their territory
All is correct

[igorka357]

Read the military doctrine of the Russian Federation, it is in the public domain!

[Dzafdet]

Americans, they are stupid according to Zadornov ...

[Black sniper]

They are simply stupid not according to Zadornov, not according to Darwin, as primitive people understand only Dubin (nucleus)!

[Comrade Beria]

Moscow "is ready to uncover the deadly" Perimeter "(or" Dead Hand ")".

And who said that it was "covered"?

We are peaceful people, but .......

[Hypersound]

So the perimeter has been activated several years ago

[KVU-NSVD]

Another mixture of nothing from the publication about anything

[Mestny]

Is it you who compose such jokes in the State Department?

[Svarog]

Quote: Mestny

Is it you who compose such jokes in the State Department?

Actually this is a fact .. didn’t you know? That the top leadership of the country, and the middle one, has very few relatives in Russia .. everything is there .. abroad ..

[engineer74]

I suggest setting the "Perimeter" to preemptive strike and completely exclude the person from the control loops. In order to avoid corruption and nepotism!

[Zubr]

Good idea, but little feasible ..
If no more than 10 of the main parameters are removed in the perimeter to start a retaliatory strike, can you imagine how many of them will be needed for a preemptive strike? And here you still wanted from nepotism and corruption ... imagined how it first goes into the dossier, the SORM system is activated, and then the opposition, and someone caught a thread from the highest ranks of decision-makers, but there is no duplicate code to launch .. And our thought the perimeter .... =))))) And even cooler if you send everyone to a single hair dryer ... =)))

[hydrox]

Quote: Zubr

And even cooler if he sends everyone to a single hair dryer ... =)))

So what?
Self-destructs along with warheads? ;-))

[KOJIXO3HuK]

Right! Iskin will decide that there is no external enemy at all, and that the worst enemy is high-ranking officials and corruption ... And he will activate warheads right there, in the mines, on the march, in trains, in containers at sea. And you will achieve your goal robot!

[Tersky]

Quote: Nonna

while liars and Vlasovites rule the country.

You would be concerned about your "country". Our "Vlasovites" did not stand next to your sectarians Bandera and Shukhevych.

[taiga2018]

I remember in the 90s, it seems that Yeltsin often liked to say that they say that our missiles are not aimed at anyone, maybe it’s time to announce that our missiles now have a purpose in life, that is, goals ...

[hydrox]

Quote: taiga2018

our missiles now have a purpose in life, that is, a goal ...

At our Perimeter, the purpose of life (coordinates in warheads) appeared the next day, when Putin entered the service in a new capacity ...

[BAI]

Russia will consider adopting the doctrine of a preemptive nuclear strike.

According to the Zvezda channel, such a decision has been made long ago.

[ANCIENT]

in fact, judging by the article in horror, we ourselves will bring the whole world earlier, much sooner than someone will be able to terrify us, Russia.

[Sergey-8848]

Counter-strike, counter strike and preemptive strike are completely different things. Why different "experts" began to talk about this is a big question. Where the unimaginable number of military experts in the networks came from is an even bigger question. Which of them will be able to distinguish between alpha, beta, and gamma radiation after the explosion is not at all a question, since they don't need it, because they are all specialists of the highest degree of tolerance, close to TV-3.

[kitt409]

And can the question be - after the explosion, then why?)

[Sergey-8848]

The difference is in the doctrine, which has a warning, sobering or threatening character. The subtle nuances in the translation of these words - led so far so that there were no explosions and the world existed. It will be very unfortunate if a random SMS will kill us all (I’m an old believer and I don’t understand new murders).

[kitt409]

SMSka is unlikely, it is purely technically arranged a little differently.)

[Topotun]

By and large, I don’t know about the majority or not. But personally, I will vote for the AUTHORITY, ready to launch everything that has survived, only to take revenge on the aggressor. Yes, I probably won't care, but I don't think it's right to forgive the destruction of my country either. Well, I'm not tolerant, sorry. And the speech is essentially extremely simple (many have now heard about the Perimeter system) - if the current government is ready to activate this system, then it is ready to defend the sovereignty of its country. And what do you call this blow (counter, parallel, perpendicular ...) but somehow it’s pofik.

[The Siberian barber]

As for sovereignty, I'm not sure, because there are many signs that not quite)) And for the "hunting grounds", the current government will fight to the end, that's for sure!

[Earnest]

Quote: Hypersound

So the perimeter has been activated several years ago

Believe me, he has never been deactivated since being put on combat duty.

[K-612-O]

Moreover, it is regularly supplemented and updated. Equipment even for "Barguzin" has been shipped, the only thing has slowed it down as a whole.

[Seryozha Timofeev]

The author of the article, as usual, mixed a bunch of people, horses - in the end, he didn’t understand what he wrote))
It is written, "if the states begin to deploy missiles, then the Russian Federation will inflict on them (states and missiles) preemptive hit"
It is written the same "Perimeter system" - an automatic control complex RESPONSE massive nuclear strike "
But as a result

What kind of preemptive strike from Russia is in question is not clear.

))))
ik ... I propose to dismiss the unreasonable) .. ik ... Vote!))

[lot]

And the living will envy the dead ..
Here recently they say some kind of servers in the main customs have failed under the floor (!), Wires were pulled out and so on .. so that Minih is right: everything can be ... everything can be ...

[Graz]

The concept of a preemptive strike against concentrated foreign forces at our borders should be approved

[AUL]

I think that the General Staff has developed and approved plans for all options for the development of events. For when the roasted cock pecks - it will be too late to plan!

[Elephant]

It would be better for the Yankees not to tease the "Russian bear"!

[Spine]

"Perimeter" exists and even went through improvement

I have no doubt about this, especially taking into account the latest developments of our scientists and designers of the military-industrial complex in recent years .. This is not patriotism, but the fact of the gentlemen .. The Russians do not intend to give up and do not rely on their enormous financial resources and other intrigues from the 90s. .
We are not for sale or for sale, it is better to die, and so many people in Russia think! Fearfully ..? But we don’t!

[Witness 45]

Yes, everyone is scared, only fools can not be scared, but it seems that there is no other way out, to die, so with music, in the name of higher justice.

[Zaurbek]

Around some traitors .....

[Moore]

Further, NI refers to the former commander of the Strategic Missile Forces, Viktor Yesin

Yesin was never the commander of the Strategic Missile Forces

[kventinasd]

Hurry to send on watch to the shores of the "partners" several hundred Poseidons.

[The Siberian barber]

A couple of hundred !! ???)))
Let, for starters, finish the repair and unfinished ships, standing for years, against the wall! This answer will be truly worthy for the adversary, without any wunderwaffe!))

[rocket757]

The perimeter, at last, loudly slam the door, so Schaub all and finally.
A preemptive strike, this is just scary for everyone, because it will be followed by a slam of the door on the other side.
Simple sentence. People, think it over, now we do not have great politicians rule peoples, no matter how Chavo happens!

[KOJIXO3HuK]

Fatalism is characteristic of Russians. Who are you calling here not to slam the doors? Let us just reach the pen, and there we will see how many points on the scale we can catch up with cotton. Our scientists are also interested in how the theory works!

[rocket757]

Why would we be fatalists?
If we leave, we know how to slam the door loudly, yes, but until then we will fight to the end, and not put our neck under the knife, like sacrificial rams!

[ODERVIT]

So "Perimeter" was not covered by anyone. He's in the ranks.

[Alexey RA]

The statement of Yesin that the "Perimeter" exists and even went through improvement, the USA was puzzled.

Come on. The information about the work on the "Perimeter" was even in open sources - about 10 years ago, a tender, EMNIP, for the modernization and extension of the service life of command missiles was laid out at the State Purchases.

[Old26]

Quote: Hypersound

So the perimeter has been activated several years ago

This system has never been deactivated. Some of its structures were destroyed in accordance with the INF Treaty. As for the system itself - yes, it changed the complex location, switched to another type of command missiles. They say that in the near future will switch to a new one. In quantitative terms, just as there was a regiment in terms of the number of missiles, it remained ...

[Klingon]

But here is the concept of a preemptive strike, if there is a suspicion of the possibility of delivering nuclear weapons against Russia, it looks attractive in that it would completely sober up some hot Western heads. And the news there would have sounded like this: Russia is highly likely to apply YaU in such countries .- Perhaps there would be less screamers))

[Old26]

Quote: Klingon

But here is the concept of a preemptive strike, if there is a suspicion of the possibility of delivering nuclear weapons against Russia, it looks attractive in that it would completely sober up some hot Western heads. And the news there would have sounded like this: Russia is highly likely to apply YaU in such countries .- Perhaps there would be less screamers))

The fact that in the open version of the Military Doctrine there is no mention of a preemptive strike does not mean that it is not in the combat documents. The truth is called, it can be otherwise, but nonetheless. And those who need to in the West are well aware of this, for statements that we will never strike first or strike a country that does not have nuclear weapons are only a way to gain political points that have nothing to do with real plans and combat documents

[Zomanus]

It is not the "Perimeter" and the warheads that decide, but the readiness to use all this if necessary.
There will be no readiness and that's all, hello "blessed" 90s with their "relaxation".

[your1970]

Quote: Zomanus

It is not the "Perimeter" and the warheads that decide, but the readiness to use all this if necessary.
There will be no readiness and that's all, hello "blessed" 90s with their "relaxation".

-she works in automatic mode - regardless of the presence of children in the US / EU

[Igor Levertov]

The air command posts of the "Perimeter" system - these are several aircraft constantly in the air - they analyze various parameters accompanying a nuclear attack of the enemy, in particular the composition of the atmosphere for the presence of radioactive contamination, seismic activity of the earth's crust accompanying nuclear explosions, and a number of others parameters. An analysis of all these parameters confirms or refutes the fact of an adversary's nuclear attack on the country. In the event that the analyzing system considers that the fact of a nuclear attack has been confirmed, our air command posts give the command to launch all land, air and sea-based nuclear missiles that remain after the enemy's strike for a retaliatory attack by the aggressor. And truncated, full of kapets Americans! And, in general, everyone!

[Igor Levertov]

Moreover, the command by air command posts is given automatically without human intervention.

[Old26]

Quote: Misha Honest

Quote: NEXUS

Of these countries, only two have a full-fledged nuclear triad.

Who is this? With pin-dos-tan, I see. But in England - 3 nuclear submarines in the ranks and even at a joke ... France seems to have only mine-based missiles. And even then France in NATO is purely for fun ...

Only the USA has a full triad. England and France have SLBMs and aviation nuclear munitions. And it’s hard to call them strategic
France no longer has mine missiles
Both in England and in France, boats are not fun. They simply have a patrol scheme such that there is only 1 boat in the sea. The other two can go to sea in a day or two, and only the fourth after a few weeks because most often undergoes routine prevention.

[Cry]

The "perimeter" stood and still stands guard over the interests of Russia, therefore America, as a country, must always remember Dante "Leave hope, everyone who enters here", in English "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here". This is how Perimeter puts America in its place.

[bratchanin3]

I am absolutely convinced that Russia's lack of a "Preventive Nuclear Strike Doctrine" has created a sense of impunity and deep irresponsibility in the Western establishment. Perhaps this is why the Western "strebs" so fearlessly provoke and openly mock Russia - after all, Putin promised not to use nuclear weapons first, so why be afraid!

[Old26]

Quote: KCA

In England, nuclear submarines are armed with Tridents with a flight range of 300 km; the Americans did not make them an exception to the non-proliferation treaty. Otkel threaten we will be Russian?

Don't talk nonsense. The British have standard Tridents. Only their heads are on them. The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Missile Technologies concerns countries that are not parties to this treaty (Therefore, having now become a party to the treaty, India can receive from us Yakhonts / Onyxes with a range already exceeding those permitted by the MTCR).
The transfer of the Tridents (and earlier the Polarisov A-3TK) was carried out under an intergovernmental agreement. In fact, Britain leases missiles, taking an insignificant part in their creation (EMNIP paid up to 5% of the cost of R&D for Trident-2). The British "Tridents" can carry up to 8 BGs with a capacity of 100-150 kt for a range of 9000 km. True, not all missiles and silos are loaded identically. One silo is a test silo, four silos have 1 warhead on the Tridents, and the other 11 have 3 warheads.

Quote: hydrox

The author does not understand what to weave about "uncovering" is to say nonsense, because the Perimeter has been in readiness for decades to receive the starting coding,

Next January will be 34 years old, as it stands on the database

Quote: hydrox

Quote: Svarog

It still exists .. moreover in the updated version ..

... no further than this summer, a new Nudol was tested for her (successfully) ...

Sorry, comrade, but "Nudol" is still a missile defense system

Quote: hydrox

At our Perimeter, the purpose of life (coordinates in warheads) appeared the next day, when Putin entered the service in a new capacity ...

All the same, I will correct you, comrade. Command missiles of the Perimeter system do not have "coordinates in warheads." Target coordinates can be, like warheads, exclusively in ICBMs. The command missiles of the "Perimeter" system have special warheads for transmitting combat control signals ...

[Old26]

Quote: bratchanin3

I am absolutely convinced that Russia's lack of a "Preventive Nuclear Strike Doctrine" has created a sense of impunity and deep irresponsibility in the Western establishment. Perhaps this is why the Western "strebs" so fearlessly provoke and openly mock Russia - after all, Putin promised not to use nuclear weapons first, so why be afraid!

Gennady! You shouldn't say "I am absolutely sure" without knowing the real state of affairs. You and I, and the overwhelming majority of people did not and do not have access to combat documents of the same Strategic Missile Forces. They are stamped, and with such vultures that it is impossible for us to imagine. But. Those who have served and continue to serve in the Strategic Missile Forces are well aware that in addition to the terms OU (retaliatory strike), OVU (retaliatory strike), there is also a "strike at the appointed time" (at the appointed time). And this is the same preemptive strike, but only named differently.
The promise not to be the first to use nuclear weapons are political statements designed to raise the rating of a particular politician and show the state's "peacefulness". At one time, Leonid Ilyich Brezhnev also stated that the USSR would never be the first to use nuclear weapons.
The current Military Doctrine stipulates that we can use nuclear weapons first and even against states that do not possess such weapons, if their aggression against Russia can lead to the loss of sovereignty by Russia.

It is not worth the political chatter "in public" of the same Western elite as if they fearlessly provoke. Those who make a political decision understand this very well and understand that there is a line that should not be crossed.
You can blame your "partner" for all mortal sins, you can, like Pompeo, put forward ultimatums with a fixed period, but after this period nothing will change. There will be political statements, possibly with an increasing degree, but no ACTION will not be. Americans maybe by Zadornov and "DULL", but not Suicides

[Likant]

Americans are beautiful! At first they convinced themselves that Russia was an aggressor, and now they scared themselves to hell!

[Tolik_74]

Overseas pendotki in refugee and horror from far-fetched fears. And their 300 million stupid population.

[Dzafdet]

Quote: engineer74

I suggest setting the "Perimeter" to preemptive strike and completely exclude the person from the control loops. In order to avoid corruption and nepotism!

And hello Terminator 1!

[Dmitry Zadorozhniy]

Do they even understand what they are saying? The "perimeter" was scared. Do not touch Russia and the cancellation teams will pass on time. Or a typical Naglosak position, we attack and take what we want, and you slaves bow. And then the "partners" were such a bummer, they got the control center out of the way, and from there the command to cancel did not come in time! Hello polar fox!

[Osipov9391]

Without the destruction of at least part of the nuclear submarines of the United States and NATO countries that are on combat patrols, it is unlikely that anyone in our country will dare to preempt a nuclear strike against the United States or NATO countries.
For the damage that these submarines inflict will be obviously fatal for our country. Well, at least for the civilian population.
Moreover, we do not even know where the patrol areas of the British and French SSBNs are located. They, too, cannot be written off, a very serious force.
About the American "Ohio" even more so.
It is clear that these strategic submarines are not visible to us and we will not get them if necessary.
Namely, they carry up to 65-70% of the nuclear arsenal of the Western world in their mines.
And it is clear that in a threatening period, all combat-ready SSBNs will go on combat patrol.

[1 Alexander 1]

Explanatory article with specific questions!

[Vladimir Postnikov]

Russia has experience in developing weapons that, at least on paper, look awesome: cruise missiles with a nuclear power plant, robotic submarines with warheads of 100 megatons.

Exactly on paper, and in Russia. The experience of the USSR should not be confused with the experience of Russia. Two completely different states with completely different capabilities. When the concept of Submarine Autonomous Carriers was presented in 1999, which in its spirit belongs to the "Perimeter", then in the RF Ministry of Defense the "officials" did not even have the brains to understand what it is and what should be done. Russia has experience, which was recently announced by PJSC IL, which can be formulated as the experience of losing the competencies accumulated in the USSR.

the nature of the publications in this publication is very specific, and the same Russian weapons are sometimes touted, sometimes fall under the arrows of author's criticism.

Which are touted? The ones on paper? Or those that are in single copies?