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The thought of the modern working class (part of 2)

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My uncle of the most honest rules:
His farm strictly rules

Buckwheat sowed, flax and rye,
I did not take someone else, but - do not touch
His bastard wealth ...
He revered blasphemy
There is fresh bread, stale food.
For what praise and honor to him.
And his brother, I will not hide from you,
It was completely different.
He wanted to build a farm here
And become a dairy farmer.
(E. Permyak. “Humpback Bear”)


Last time we stopped at the fact that even in Shushenskiy V.I. Lenin began work on the book "The Development of Capitalism in Russia" and, returning from exile, even published it, and quite legally, in St. Petersburg. And no one attracted him to it for anything, although, in fact, why was it attracted? Another study proving that the populists are wrong. That capitalism is developing in the country and ... what's wrong with that? Speech about the need for the overthrow of state power, the author did not keep it, stated the facts, so the censorship was not opposed. And the work really turned out to be very interesting. The fact is that in Russia, for some reason, statistics were very much loved at that time. Statistical reports were regularly published on the pages of various "Provincial Heralds", and they reported the number of arable and steam lands, clamps and carts, the cost of the heel of eggs in the Vyatka and Orenburg gubernias, the number of otkhodniki who had proceeded to Siberia after the Stolypin reform (we ran a little ahead, but it was after the release of the work of Lenin), proceeded along the Volga-Vyatka railway through Penza (including minor children) and the number of those returning from there, in a word, the pre-revolutionary statistics of Russia are Ala about Russia everything! And here, on the basis of a mass of statistical data, Lenin took it, and showed that all the populist theories that capitalism in Russia is an “artificial phenomenon” are inappropriate, since they ignore the social division of labor.


Pre-revolutionary village of the Samara province.

And then he began with an analysis of relations in the village, where capitalism had also already won, although the Narodniks, with foaming at the mouth, argued that the peasant community was the main unit of society in Russia. And in this, they were just right, since it was pointless to deny the communal character of the mentality of the Russian peasantry. But ... “the flies are separate, and the cutlets are separate!” And here too: the mentality is a mentality, and the unevenness in the distribution of crops also did not go anywhere. Lenin, relying on statistical data, proved that ⅖ of all households (including ³ ∕ ₁₀ population) had about ¹ ∕ пос of all cultivated land, and belonged to the poor group, which did not have enough income from their peasant labor. Then came the middle peasantry, which also occupied about ⅖ yards, to which there was enough land and income from it. And finally, the peasantry went on further (about ⅕ yards and ³ ∕ ₁₀ all the population of the empire), which had more than half of all the crops in their hands, and the yields of this layer were such that their “commercial” character was clearly visible. Moreover, the more land there is in the yard, the greater the market% of the grain produced! These peasants themselves could not cultivate this land and hired agricultural workers like American farmers. So, in the "three northern counties of the Tavricheskaya lips. the prosperous peasantry employ, according to the author, more than 14 thousands of rural workers. On the contrary, the poor peasantry “let go of the workers” (over 5 thousand), that is, it resorts to selling its labor force, since income from farming gives, for example, in the group with 5-10 dess. sowing only about 30 rub. money in the yard. That is, in the village there has already been a process of social stratification. The rural proletariat has already arisen, there is already a market - that is, capitalism in the countryside has practically completely won.


Station Bureya Amur railway.

Having considered the village, Lenin turns to its influence on the city. First of all, he calls the three main forms of industry, differing in the different ways of their technology. This small-scale production, existed almost from time immemorial. Then the manufactory, which turns the peasant into an artisan, and finally - industrial, market production.

And then he had a very interesting thought: “The“ instability ”of the large machine industry has always caused and causes reactionary complaints from people who continue to look at things through the eyes of a small producer and forget that only this“ instability ”has replaced the former stagnation with the rapid transformation of production methods and all public relations. " That is, it turns out that stagnation is ... "confidence in the future," the very confidence that those who pray for the USSR so frustrate today as the holy icon so lament. Because, yes, confidence is not bad, and even very good. That's just in competition with the "insecure", "confident" for some reason lose, and why lose it is clear - they are afraid. And a paradoxical situation emerges: when “there is little confidence” is bad, fear paralyzes people. But when there is a lot of it, this is also bad. In society, stagnation begins and, as a result, this very “society of stagnation” loses to “society of instability”. That is, complaining about the instability of a large-scale machine industry means complaining about ... social progress, which can be fast, and maybe even slow!

Further, Lenin writes: “There is no doubt that the capitalist factory puts these categories of the working population (meaning people from the village, low-skilled workers, as well as women and adolescents — VO) in a particularly difficult situation, that in relation to them reduction and regulation of the working day, the provision of hygienic working conditions, etc., but the desire to completely ban the industrial work of women and adolescents or support the patriarchal structure of life that excluded such work would be reactionary and utopian nym. Destroying the patriarchal isolation of these categories of the population, who had never left a narrow circle of domestic, family relations, attracting them to direct participation in social production, the large-scale machine industry pushes their development forward, increases their autonomy, i.e. are incomparably higher than the patriarchal immobility of pre-capitalist relations. ” That is, if we want to destroy patriarchal relations in society, it means that women and children should be involved in the work. Therefore, as patriarchalism, it is stagnant, and the “stagnant” are overtaken by the “non-stagnant” ones, and there already is not far to the 1991 year! That is, you need to go along the "razor blade", and here it is equally dangerous to roll both "left" and "right".


Rural fishing.

How large was the number of outgoing non-agricultural workers in Russia? "Lenin, based on passport control data, reports:" The number of workers employed in all sorts of similar work is not less than 5 - 6 million. And then, arguing with other authors — Lenin generally liked to write his works in a polemical manner — he writes that the “farmer” was more literate, more cultured, and more developed than settled Kostromiach in some “forest” districts. Like the diversion of the population from farming to the cities, non-agricultural waste is a progressive phenomenon. He pulls people out of abandoned, backward, forgotten history the backwaters and draws him into the maelstrom of modern social life. It increases the literacy of the population and its consciousness, instills cultural habits in it.


The work of adolescents in the factory.


Here they are - the future revolutionaries, the builders of the new world. "We will destroy the whole world of violence, to its foundations, and then, we will build our new world, - who was nothing, that will become everything ..."

“The departure to the cities weakens the old patriarchal family, puts a woman in a more independent position, equal in rights with a man. “Compared with settled areas, the Soligalic and Chukhloma family” (the most distant districts of the Kostr. Guba) are much less strong not only in the sense of the older patriarchal power, but even in relations between parents and children, husband and wife. From sons sent to St. Petersburg from 12 years, of course, one cannot expect a strong love for parents and an attachment to parental shelter; unwittingly they become cosmopolitan: “where it is good, there is the fatherland”. ” “Having become accustomed to doing without male power and help, the Soligalian woman is not at all like a farmer who has been slaughtered by an agricultural belt: she is independent, independent ... Beating and torturing women here is a rare exception ... In general, the equality of a woman with a man affects almost everywhere and in everything” - quotes He is an article from the journal "Legal Bulletin", 1890, No. 9, p. 142.


Workers Putilov plant.

And here is another excerpt from the journal material cited by V.I. Lenin in his work: “A flaw” (in the workers) “is always complete, and the reason is that the suburban population is spoiled, they work in the workshops of the railways, and serve there. The proximity of Kaluga and the bazaars in it constantly gather nearby residents for the sale of eggs, milk, etc., and then indiscriminate drunkenness in taverns; the reason is that the whole population is committed to a great salary and doing nothing. Living in rural workers is considered shame, and they are striving to the cities, where they make up the proletariat. ”

Well, how many workers were there in Russia at the turn of the twentieth century? Lenin also made this calculation: 1) agricultural wage laborers. Their number is about 3 1 / 2 million (in Heb. Russia). 2) Factory, mining and railway workers - around 1 1 / 2 million. Total five million professional hired workers. Further, 3) construction workers - about 1 million. 4) Workers engaged in forestry (logging and initial processing, smelting, etc.), engaged in earthworks, railway construction, work on the loading and unloading of goods and all sorts of “black” work in industrial centers. They are about 2 million. 5) Workers employed by capitalists at home, as well as employed in manufacturing industries that are not counted as “factory industry”. They - about 2 million. Total - about ten million wage workers. We exclude from them approximately 1 / 4 for women and children - 7 1 / 2 remains million of hired workers from adult men.

The thought of the modern working class (part of 2)

The workers of the locomotive depot in 1917 year - the elite of the proletariat, by the way!

Well, the conclusion from all this will be quite original. Capitalism is bad, but it's good because it destroys the patriarchal region, which is even worse. People’s complaints about “insecurity in the future” (the instability of the machine industry) are reactionary, because they are petty-bourgeois in their essence. The work of women and adolescents in the industry without providing social guarantees is bad, but good, because it weakens the old patriarchal family, that is, again it destroys patriarchal relations. Such is the Marxist-Leninist dialectic!

Well, now we can only recall what patriarchal relations in the village are and what mental features of being were associated with them. And the best thing to do is (in my opinion), after re-reading Yevgeny Permyak’s book “Humpback Bear”, a very lyrical and sometimes funny story of a boy from the “middle class” who eventually came to the revolution. There are a lot of life observations and interesting descriptions, and even some poems, which seem to have been written as a young hero of this novel ...

To be continued ...
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  1. iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 15 December 2018 05: 31
    +2
    Hello Vyacheslav. "The Humpbacked Bear" - this was one of my favorite books in the 70s, I then read it once ... a dozen times. And then three days ago I came across it in the internet, I decided to reread it. I started the second volume last night. What a coincidence.
    1. kalibr
      15 December 2018 10: 42
      -1
      By the way, this is a very controversial and versatile book, isn't it? And let us note ... to his questions Mavrik did not receive an answer from the Bolshevik "the general's son" in the boat!
  2. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 05: 39
    +7
    Well, if the author gave a lecture on the history of the CPSU, then I am not surprised if his listeners fell asleep on the go ... what
    1. kalibr
      15 December 2018 06: 39
      -4
      Exactly! And not only did not fall asleep, but listened with great interest. Different perceptions of different people ...
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 06: 43
        +9
        Quote: kalibr
        Exactly! And not only did not fall asleep, but listened with great interest.

        Once a representative of Putin came to our factory. Well, people, let's clap their hands. That little eyes hatched: "Why are you clapping? I haven't told you anything yet!"
        1. kalibr
          15 December 2018 06: 50
          -4
          Here I already wrote about the Pareto law and the principle of 80 and 20. So why are you surprised?
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 15 December 2018 07: 57
        +7
        Excuse me, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but in the late Union the image of the party lecturer was something like this:
        "Across Leningrad, from" Mayakovka "
        Hippies are walking in their party
        And after them, cursing
        The bore agitator walks "
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 08: 04
          +4
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Excuse me, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but in the late Union the image of the party lecturer was something like this:
          "Across Leningrad, from" Mayakovka "
          Hippies are walking in their party
          And after them, cursing
          The bore agitator walks "

          A sobriety society lecturer in whom a bubble falls out of his pocket during a lecture. wink
        2. kalibr
          15 December 2018 09: 31
          0
          I agree, but I am writing to the whole country and "I will be a bastard" if this is about me ... In Penza, they still remember ...
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 15 December 2018 09: 51
            0
            Probably you are among the disappearing small errors. This is a special talent - it is interesting to talk about boring matters.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 15 December 2018 07: 05
      +11
      And I liked it. The source itself, Lenin’s work, is, in my opinion, too heavy for perception, due to some temporary remoteness, but still relevant in the social aspect.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 07: 14
        -2
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        The source itself, the work of Lenin, is heavy,

        Not otherwise, he scribbled on a log in Shushensky. drinks
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 15 December 2018 07: 30
          +3
          No, the log was at Razliv, and in Shushensky everything was acceptable.
      2. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 15 December 2018 08: 54
        +3
        And I remember, in one breath read. And about relevance right. From what they left, besides they came. Only Lenin is not there to write a similar book about the current situation, but it would be interesting.
  3. BAI
    BAI 15 December 2018 09: 02
    +8
    Once again we see that the cause of the Revolution is neither the tsar, nor the bourgeoisie, nor the Bolsheviks, but the contradiction between the capitalist form of production and the communal way of life.
    1. kalibr
      15 December 2018 09: 33
      -2
      Quote: BAI
      Once again we see that the cause of the Revolution is neither the tsar, nor the bourgeoisie, nor the Bolsheviks, but the contradiction between the capitalist form of production and the communal way of life.

      Exactly! The Bolsheviks only took advantage of the situation! And then they themselves became her hostages. But more on that in the following articles.
      1. free
        free 15 December 2018 10: 40
        +5
        Contradictions within the framework of the capital system itself, its systemic, incontrovertible contradictions. Namely, contradictions between the social form of production и personal appropriation of the results of social labor.
        Not a single person or group of people can be the cause of a revolution. These reasons can only be contradictions in public relations themselves. Namely, class contradictions.
        1. your1970
          your1970 17 December 2018 13: 59
          -2
          Quote: free
          Not a single person or group of people can be the cause of a revolution. These reasons can only be contradictions in public relations themselves. Namely, class contradictions.
          - that is, in the West / USA there are no class contradictions - since there are no revolutions ???

          and the CPSU didn’t know ... when he pushed his theories .....
          1. free
            free 18 December 2018 07: 25
            -1
            There are class contradictions, there is no sufficient methodological base. There is no influential communist organization. There is no understanding of current processes among the general population.
            As for the people themselves, people, namely their actions and speeches, can and will be the detonator launching the last, active stage of the revolution.
            1. your1970
              your1970 18 December 2018 08: 46
              0
              Quote: free
              No man or group of people can be the cause of a revolution.

              Quote: free
              As for the people themselves, people, namely their actions and speeches, can and will be the detonator launching the last, active stage of the revolution.
              - a contradiction, no?
              Or will you now tell us about the "reason and reason" - about their difference?
              And yes, the revolutions of the 20 century were the result of the WWII, the states were weakened, the contradictions were heated, the weapons were a rampart.
              After TMV - there will be no revolutions due to the lack of states ....
              1. free
                free 18 December 2018 10: 33
                0
                Quote: your1970
                Quote: free
                No man or group of people can be the cause of a revolution.

                Quote: free
                As for the people themselves, people, namely their actions and speeches, can and will be the detonator launching the last, active stage of the revolution.
                - a contradiction, no?
                Or will you now tell us about the "reason and reason" - about their difference?
                And yes, the revolutions of the 20 century were the result of the WWII, the states were weakened, the contradictions were heated, the weapons were a rampart.
                After TMV - there will be no revolutions due to the lack of states ....

                Are you seriously? Don't you see the difference between cause and effect?
  4. Stalker84
    Stalker84 15 December 2018 09: 56
    +6
    Here I read and the feeling that about our days ... Now in my native Mordovia 2/3 of the working population are "otkhodniki". Well, I think so, I have no exact figures. But here the reason is somewhat different, then the peasants went away from poverty and small land, and now from a lack of work or from the fact that they pay a penny on the available one. Even from Saransk people go on watch. Salary at 10,15, at best 20-25 at current prices, this is a natural mockery. And so almost all over the country. It seems to me that this is not only the greed of the capitalists, but also a conspiracy to squeeze labor resources to Moscow and the "North"
    1. kalibr
      15 December 2018 17: 44
      -1
      About modern Russia will also be ...
  5. free
    free 15 December 2018 10: 32
    +7
    That is, it turns out that stagnation is ... "confidence in the future", the very confidence that those who pray for the USSR so much today are saddened as a holy icon. Because, yes, confidence is not bad, and even very good. But only in the competition with the "uncertain", the "confident" for some reason lose, and why they lose, it is clear - they are afraid.

    A strange, far-fetched conclusion. It is not certainty that causes stagnation, not knowledge of what to do next. Marxism-Leninism has one of its components dialectical materialism as a scientific method of knowing and changing nature and society. But society and nature are constantly moving. the essence of change. From this logically flows the understanding that Marxism-Leninism as a science, without changing its fundamentals, should be applied for the current time. Who does not understand this, does not understand the essence of dialectics.

    patriarchalism is stagnation, and “stagnant” overtake “not stagnant”
    There is no doubt, but the causes of stagnation are sucked from the finger.

    Capitalism is bad, but it's good, because it destroys patriarchalism, which is even worse. People’s complaints about “uncertainty about tomorrow” (instability of the machine industry) are reactionary, since they are petty-bourgeois in essence. The work of women and adolescents in the industry without providing social guarantees is bad, but good, since it weakens the old patriarchal family, that is, it again destroys patriarchal relations.
    Does the author have no class understanding? For whom is it good or bad? Speak about dialectics and think abstractly. What are these trends?
    1. kalibr
      15 December 2018 10: 35
      -3
      It's all about Lenin. "Development of capitalism in Russia"
      1. free
        free 15 December 2018 10: 44
        +6
        Lenin has nothing to do with it,conclusions are made in the article by you.You either did not read it properly or did not perceive it correctly.You write and judge what you don’t understand!
        1. kalibr
          15 December 2018 11: 16
          -3
          Oh Lord, another ... connoisseur. I have been reading "Ilyich" since 1982, in my teeth navyaz. Defended a thesis on party leadership ... Was a lecturer OK and RK KPSS. And the conclusions - all according to his text, did not even really change it. Just for the sake of more novelty on Advego.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 11: 42
            +2
            Quote: kalibr
            Just for the sake of greater novelty according to Advego.

            What, for 95% rolls over? The other day I was tortured to increase the uniqueness of the text. laughing
            1. kalibr
              15 December 2018 12: 42
              -1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              What, for 95% rolls over? The other day I was tortured to increase the uniqueness of the text.

              Exactly! But this does not present any difficulty for me.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 December 2018 12: 51
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                What, for 95% rolls over? The other day I was tortured to increase the uniqueness of the text.

                Exactly! But this does not present any difficulty for me.

                That you just do not write on technical topics. I started writing something on the topic of plastic pipes, I thought garbage is a question, but it wasn’t here. There are so many articles on this topic that you spent all night, increasing uniqueness above 90%. And different idiots require less than 50% water, and keep nausea within the framework. Hesitated by its simplicity. I have no words!
                1. kalibr
                  15 December 2018 15: 36
                  -4
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  That you just do not write on technical topics.

                  Are you on VO recently? Then go to my profile. There are technical topics, at least ... eat!
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          2. free
            free 15 December 2018 21: 37
            +1
            Maybe that’s all. It’s more surprising that for all these years you still don’t understand what dialectics are. And your conclusions, well, to put it mildly, are surprisingly stupid.
            1. kalibr
              15 December 2018 22: 50
              -7
              Do you want to say what you understand? Who's pointing me ?! Look at the flag over the Kremlin ... Re-read the work again.
              1. free
                free 16 December 2018 11: 39
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                Do you want to say what you understand? Who's pointing me ?! Look at the flag over the Kremlin ... Re-read the work again.

                I can’t pretend to say that I understood everything, but enough to understand that you who are trying to judge dialectics think abstractly, which is wrong from the point of view of dialectics. That is, you judge that you don’t understand. And this is done by the person who defended his dissertation on party leadership!? the flag over the Kremlin is now not red, because it was full of such useful fools as you undertaking to talk about what they do not understand.
                Your work is not worth the ink spent on it.
                Like a donkey, you joyfully moo when you see a dead lion, but is a lion dead? No, I dare to assure you, the lion is not dead. And when he gets up, like any cheap cheap man, he will humiliate his heels humiliatingly for mercy, this is the essence of any kind of good man.
                1. Polymer
                  Polymer 23 December 2018 19: 02
                  0
                  Quote: free
                  And this is done by the person who defended his dissertation on party leadership !?

                  In my opinion, this is one of the main reasons for the collapse of the USSR. The careerists broke through, opportunists who did not care about the essence of the processes, they were not able to conduct organizational activities, since they were guided only by personal interests. Standing at the pulpit and mumbling for a few hours about "bright tomorrow" is yes, but to create something real is a complete lack of potency. They could only consume and destroy, not create, which ultimately happened to the entire country.
                  The drawback of the system in the USSR was precisely in the absence of a protective mechanism to prevent the penetration of such careerists into senior management positions. In the future, this error must be taken into account.
                  1. free
                    free 23 December 2018 20: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Polymer
                    Quote: free
                    And this is done by the person who defended his dissertation on party leadership !?

                    In my opinion, this is one of the main reasons for the collapse of the USSR. The careerists broke through, opportunists who did not care about the essence of the processes, they were not able to conduct organizational activities, since they were guided only by personal interests. Standing at the pulpit and mumbling for a few hours about "bright tomorrow" is yes, but to create something real is a complete lack of potency. They could only consume and destroy, not create, which ultimately happened to the entire country.
                    The drawback of the system in the USSR was precisely in the absence of a protective mechanism to prevent the penetration of such careerists into senior management positions. In the future, this error must be taken into account.


                    The lack of a system in the USSR was precisely in the absence of a protective mechanism
                    This mechanism has been known for a long time. And the point here is not the lack of a social system. What did the prominent theoreticians of Marxism say?They said to study, study and study communism again! That is, the masses must master Marxism as a scientific view of the essence of events and phenomena. Here then, no restoration of the bourgeois class would be possible, in other words, when everyone understands in whose class interests this or that official (party worker) no the elitization of power is not possible in principle! And for the most part the people honestly worked, studied science, mastered technology, defended the socialist homeland, and so on, but didn’t manage to master Marxism during the reign of Stalin. Khrushchev no longer had such tasks pitchforks and people gradually moved away from the only correct method of cognition, and simply deprived of knowledge. There is no knowledge, no understanding. There is no understanding, there is no opposition to the decayed top.
                    Summarizing the above, only the mastery of Marxism by the overwhelming majority of the population can and will be the very mechanism that will not allow the bourgeois class to be revived, when once again they will be destroyed.
                2. TAMBU
                  TAMBU 28 December 2018 20: 52
                  0
                  Don't waste your time on this "historian" ... it's useless. He pulls phrases out of context, "rethinks" them in a rather original way and draws his "conclusions" on this whole structure. Boltology in its purest form ... in fact, therefore, PR technologies as a continuation of activities ...
  6. kalibr
    15 December 2018 10: 38
    +3
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    This is a special talent - it is interesting to talk about boring matters.

    You see! And this and others note here ... But writing is harder than talking! So ... I knew how to tell interestingly.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 16 December 2018 07: 23
      0
      Well, in my opinion, speaking is more difficult. Feedback is instant.
  7. Decimam
    Decimam 15 December 2018 11: 02
    +6
    Some interpretations, such as "stagnation", are far-fetched solely with the aim of kicking socialism. Lenin will not object, and only a few have read Lenin's work.
    1. kalibr
      15 December 2018 11: 20
      -6
      Of course, why not kick, if given the opportunity? When you see rotten meat, you say after all - rotten meat! And I would be full ..., do not use everything that is possible for this. And as for the units ... now let them take and read to whom they will agree ... and translate his words into modern concepts. It may be that he will be enlightened in his head!
      1. Decimam
        Decimam 15 December 2018 11: 25
        +7
        "When you see rotten stuff ... "
        But now "a remake of the development of capitalism in Russia." Look into all eyes and breathe in deeply. If the breath in the goiter is not stolen ... with delight.
        1. kalibr
          15 December 2018 12: 41
          -5
          Quote: Decimam
          If the breath in the goiter is not stolen ... with delight.

          Exactly, I've never lived so well before!
          1. Decimam
            Decimam 15 December 2018 17: 08
            +2
            "To live, as they say, is good! - And to live well is even better!" - thanks to the USSR.
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 16 December 2018 18: 24
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            ..... That's right, I've never lived so well before!
            This is because the pension is according to the Soviet standard! And if 8 years later, then there would be another conversation! And it would be necessary to try especially for the sake of this pension, and what else would confirm the qualifications .....
            1. kalibr
              18 December 2018 18: 49
              0
              Dmitriy! Do you seriously think that I live on these pennies, at 14.000 and am happy with it? You need a little, God forgive me. Does your wife also have a Soviet standard of -7.800? Here's happiness, something basement, I do not want to row. Yes, sometimes "these ordinary people" will blur out so much that neither in a fairy tale nor in a pen ...
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 19 December 2018 13: 41
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                Quote: kalibr
                Dmitriy! Do you seriously think that I live on these pennies, at 14.000 and am happy with it? You need a little, God forgive me. Does your wife also have a Soviet standard of -7.800? Here's happiness, something basement, I do not want to row. Yes, sometimes "these ordinary people" will blur out so much that neither in a fairy tale nor in a pen ...
                Do you think that I don’t know that you have been working all the years after penalties? HA-HA-HA ----- You, then, are afraid that someone might be too long for your penis? And the fact that age ---- according to socialist laws does not bother you? But --- this small pension gives some freedom of relief. I say this because I often communicate with pensioners at work and observe both working and not working.
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 15 December 2018 12: 07
      0
      To be honest, in this part of the material I did not find kicks.
      1. kalibr
        15 December 2018 12: 38
        -2
        Who wants and sees a ocean in a spoon of water!
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 15 December 2018 12: 48
          +1
          This is Conan Doyle and it was a drop of water.
          1. kalibr
            15 December 2018 15: 37
            -2
            Probably, but there is no fundamental difference. Is not it?
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 15 December 2018 20: 26
              +1
              In my opinion, there is. Quotes must be accurate, with a comma. Otherwise, the meaning of the quotation can be reversed up to the exact opposite. The experiments of folk historians confirm this.
              1. TAMBU
                TAMBU 28 December 2018 20: 54
                0
                it is professional ...
  8. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 15 December 2018 16: 24
    0
    We once studied the works of grandfather Lenin. Giant thoughts!
  9. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 15 December 2018 16: 57
    +2
    Vyacheslav! You decided to raise such a difficult topic. Well, since they started, then to the end. I have a grandmother from the Krasnodar Territory, born in 1896 On the part of the father. Grandfather and grandmother from the side of mother from the village near Petropavlovsk (present-day Kazakhstan). Also born at the end of the 19th century. I don’t remember exactly, but I can raise family archives, where there are many interesting photos. Well, that’s not the point. My mother is born in 1925, the Pope is 1928.
    Here. Of course I don’t remember much what two grandmothers and grandfather told. It was not for my ears, they argued among themselves, almost before a fight;). I was then from 7 to 12 years old. But now I understand that it was like two different countries. Kuban and Petropavlovsk. Therefore, since you have decided to tackle such a controversial topic, then go through all of RI. I hope VO readers will be interested.
    From SW. Alexey.
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 15 December 2018 17: 09
      +2
      There is a wonderful book. Alexander Green. Autobiographical story. Read with a bang. Available on the internet. Just about RI. Who is interested in the history of Russia at the turn of the century is extremely interesting. Like Gilyarovsky - Moscow and Muscovites, and .... I forgot ... In one book there were Moscow and Muscovites, essays, and then ????? What kind of meetings?
    2. kalibr
      15 December 2018 17: 43
      -2
      Thank you for your wishes. But here, not everything depends on me. Depends on available and verifiable information. Those. the one that anyone can find and read it himself with links to authoritative sources. And TOPIC, TOPIC ... and it's not about RI. You can’t leave her!
      1. Grim Reaper
        Grim Reaper 15 December 2018 18: 00
        +2
        Vyacheslav! Your topic cannot be considered with the example of one province / one region / one edge. What is in the past, what is in the present. When a worker of one profession (Electrician RZA,) gets 45 at VIZ, and at SUMZ 25. 40 km on the map! The same profession, the same amount of work and 20 kilo rubles difference. You have taken up a very complicated topic. I hope you can. And we will correct in the comments, criticize ... well, as usual.
        From SW. Alexey
        1. kalibr
          15 December 2018 18: 35
          -2
          Do I consider an example of one?
          1. Grim Reaper
            Grim Reaper 16 December 2018 12: 47
            +1
            Quote: kalibr
            Do I consider an example of one?

            Vyacheslav!
            I don't understand how you can write everything. Within the framework of the article "Duma on the Modern Working Class"
            In the days of the USSR, even that would be difficult, but possible, since + -equalization.
            But now?
            There are a huge number of factories where a simple worker gets a decent salary, a good social package, is completely protected from all sorts of troubles. Do not believe? NLMK. Take a look. I have been working there for the last 13 years and am happy with everything.
            Along with this, there are factories where the workers are spread rot, they pay a penny, forcing them to work - because there is nothing more.
            And you declare "the current situation of the working class"
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, I cannot imagine the amount of work that you have to "scrape through"
            Sales do not know what else to say.
            I will not say anything, I will marry a smart one.
            But this cycle will not be ignored, meet the most biased criticism.
            From SW. Alexey.
            1. kalibr
              16 December 2018 12: 58
              +1
              Dear Alexey! You are right, there is a lot of work. Usually 4 hours a day at the computer is at least + books, magazines. And so every day. But I read quickly, and write even faster - 8 thousand characters in 40 minutes. So don't be surprised. It is important to properly structure the presentation and choose numbers and facts. Now with the help of a computer it is not difficult. The hardest and most time-consuming process is assessing the value of information. Besides, I am not referring to the "live journals". And then ... I just know very well how and who works where. Many acquaintances at various enterprises, including my former students. Two sequels, by the way, are already ready. Coming soon - read, see. Everything is at your service!
      2. Altona
        Altona 15 December 2018 18: 38
        +4
        Quote: kalibr
        Depends on available and verifiable information. Those. the one that anyone can find and read it himself with links to authoritative sources. And TOPIC, TOPIC ... and it's not about RI. You can’t leave her!

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        The contradictions were different. And above all, the development of capitalism in Russia required adequate social relations and state structure. Not an autocratic monarchy, but at least a constitutional and then a republic. In the Russian Empire, this task was not solved and was even crushed. Free movement of capital is incompatible with an absolute monarchy, whose power is based on the presence of a population attached to the land. Plus a bunch of factors, on which empires and monarchies collapsed, between the "honor" of feudalism and the "dishonor" of capitalism. The Bolsheviks solved the problem forcibly, in a peasant country they raised a huge mass of workers and engineers, raised the standard of living, created infrastructure, defeated disease, hunger and illiteracy, but not knowing how to move on, they again gave the country to capitalism. Therefore, all the same, socialism has the future, even though it gives rise to infantiles who do not understand the guarantees of the state and are sliding towards naked consumerism and philistinism. But this problem will somehow be solved in the future. And so humanity will rush between extremes, between human egoism and understanding of collectivism. Between the past and the future. So much for the whole dialectic.
        1. sunzhenets
          sunzhenets 16 December 2018 10: 58
          +2
          Quote: Altona
          The Bolsheviks resolved the problem by force; in a peasant country, they grew up a huge working and engineering mass, improved living standards, created infrastructure, defeated illnesses, hunger and illiteracy, but not knowing how to move on, they again gave the country to capitalism.

          Lenin and Stalin remembered that Marxism was not a dogma, but a guide to action, and their theoretical work was based on practical experience. New conditions - new possibilities for the proletarian revolution, new methods. After Stalin came the clerks who forgot about it and slipped into quotations. Plus the war, which knocked out the best - the communists fell under the tanks, and the "communists" defended Tashkent. The result is known. But I still think that the transition to a socialist society is inevitable.
  10. wooja
    wooja 15 December 2018 19: 05
    0
    Unfortunately, Lenin was right in many ways, his followers were in many ways wrong ...., although they did a lot of the right things ... but the number of mistakes turned out to be critical. The Russians gave up ... sad gentlemen ....
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 15 December 2018 22: 08
      -1
      Sorry, but your comment is very "Russian intellectual", in the most sickening sense.
      1. wooja
        wooja 15 December 2018 22: 12
        +3
        rather politically correct, but nauseating written specifically ... because they’ll be banned, but the truth in censorship terms is unprintable
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 16 December 2018 07: 10
          0
          I didn't think about the "theatricality" of the commentary. My apologies!
          1. wooja
            wooja 16 December 2018 07: 14
            +1
            don’t apologize ... this is a circus ,,,, it’s been a long time for the theater
  11. nznz
    nznz 15 December 2018 21: 03
    +1
    photo 3. Lozhkarnoe production. Finishing spoon handle. 1897 Negative 18x24 cm photo by Maxim Dmitriev
  12. Korsar4
    Korsar4 15 December 2018 21: 29
    +3
    But the laws do not change:

    "The fish seeks where it is deeper, where the man is better."

    Many continue to live by inertia.

    And only in rare cases:

    "Why do these birds fly to the north,
    If the birds are only supposed to go south? "(C).
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 16 December 2018 16: 02
      +2
      And they will find bird's happiness
      As a reward for a daring flight. (WITH)
  13. kalibr
    16 December 2018 06: 59
    -1
    Quote: Altona
    But this problem will somehow be solved in the future.

    ????????????
    1. Altona
      Altona 16 December 2018 09: 22
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      ????????????

      -------------------------
      The problem of a parasite man ... It doesn't matter who he is, whether he is a malicious socialist, or an "active" capitalist.
  14. kalibr
    16 December 2018 13: 03
    -2
    Quote: free
    basely lick his heels, begging for mercy, that’s the essence of every fittens

    And why necessarily humiliated? The Bolsheviks did not rush as good experts ... On the contrary! Will they put a cook or a brick factory worker in my place? Remember - the pig is always in the bag, even if you hang a red flag over it.
  15. nikvic46
    nikvic46 18 December 2018 09: 34
    +3
    To talk about what was wrong is possible provided that we learn from these mistakes.
    Stolypin destroyed the communities, but even those collective farms that survived later brought ordinary people
    a lot of benefits. These are cooperative stores, fairs. About another. Now they are again adopting vocational schools.
    Having studied his specialty, the young man sees other types of work at the enterprise. And it is very nice that he likes his profession, But unfortunately it rarely happens. The Hungarian experience offers a different approach.
    pays the employer to prepare a skilled worker with a good salary and future. For this, the young man masters several specialties. Finding where he can do more does
    not only the administration, but the worker himself.
  16. kalibr
    19 December 2018 15: 13
    0
    Quote: Reptiloid
    -You, then you are afraid that someone might be too anxious for your penis?

    Are you healthy, with your head?
  17. Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 5 January 2019 17: 36
    0
    Vyacheslav Olegovich. I was looking forward to your continuation of the "thought on the working class" I wanted to quarrel, argue. But in general, you are right after reading your 2nd part (well, it turned out that very late,) I don’t know what to say ...