Percussion "Bayraktara" in the sky over the Donbas. What other “gratitude” for C-400 will bring Moscow to life?

It has long been no secret to anyone that an attempt to establish any kind of constructive and mutually beneficial relations with the Turkish side will end with enviable regularity for Moscow not only in the complete destruction of illusions that Ankara is our main strategic partner in the Near East. region, but also much more weighty and painful strikes of a military-political and operational-strategic nature. The first and most revealing incident was the pre-planned interception of the tactical front-line bomber Su-24M of the Russian Aerospace Forces by means of an AIM-9X Block II melee missile launched into the rear hemisphere of our vehicle by the Turkish F-16C Block 50+ multipurpose fighter, which received target designation either from the ground-based radar detector AN / MPQ-50 of the medium-range anti-aircraft missile system "Hawk / -PIP-R", or from the Turkish AWACS aircraft Boeing 737 AEW & C "Peace Eagle", or from the aircraft RLDN E-3C / G that was on combat duty " Sentry ". At the same time, everything was thought out to the smallest detail: "Sidewinder" was launched from the lower hemisphere, and therefore the heat direction finder-detector of attacking missiles L-082 "Mak-UL", which controls only the upper hemisphere above the bomber, was unable to find the rocket engine torch and in time notify the crew.

Later, after the “cheers” in our foreign ministry and mass media about the normalization of Russian-Turkish relations and the joint development of a “road map” to resolve the situation in the northern regions of the Syrian Arab Republic, as well as after the erroneous submission of the Kurdish canton of Afrin to the torn apart Turkish army and to FSA militants in January 2018 of the year (in return for the illusory transfer of the “idlib gadyushnik” to the government forces of Syria), Erdogan taught Moscow a couple more cruel ur shackles from the "big Middle East game" section. First of all, it was intercepted by the operator of Igla MANPADS from detachments of the Idlib militants Tahrir ash-Sham of our Su-25CM 3 February 2018, whose ejection pilot (major Roman Filipov) died heroically in an unequal battle with the pro-Turkish An-Nusters. No “American trace” in this tragic incident was out of the question, since all groups in Idlib, without exception, are supervised exclusively by the security forces of the Turkish Republic. It is logical that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Turkey could have prevented the tragic event, but did not do this in order to once again show the Russian side who is the boss in the region. Alas, such an action by our “Turkish friends” was not enough for the Kremlin to reach a new level of awareness of the entire deplorable situation.

Therefore, the “awarding” of the defense department of Turkey with a contract for the purchase of four divisions of the newest C-400 Triumph air defense missile system from Rosoboronexport can be interpreted as one of the most ridiculous military-political mistakes in recent years, considering that the issue of returning “idlib gadyushnik "Damascus is not even on the agenda of the Turkish leadership. But this is only half the problem.

Just a few days ago, quite resonant news on the preparation by the defense departments of "Nezalezhnaya" and Turkey of a contract for the purchase by the Ukrainian side of 2 unmanned aviation complexes (UAC) consisting of 6 Bayraktar TB2 shock reconnaissance unmanned aerial vehicles (3 for each complex) and 2 ground combat control points equipped with appropriate antenna equipment and radio-electronic transmitting and receiving equipment to control the UAV and receive telemetric information from the onboard turret optical-electronic sighting complex type MX-10/15. The deal also provides for the delivery of a set of two hundred high-precision guided missiles MAM-L, which is a non-motorized version of the L-UMTAS multipurpose tactical / anti-tank missiles, also developed by Roketsun.

This news was leaked to numerous military-analytical blogs from the Ukrainian media space, while its author is the famous Ukrainian journalist from the nationalist camp Yury Butusov, citing sources surrounded by Defense Minister S. Poltorak and mil.in.ua portal. And despite the fact that even November’s Poltorak 13 itself suddenly “switched on the reverse gear” in the matter of acquiring Bayraktarov, declaring the absence of a signed document, there’s absolutely no reason to trust Butusov. After all, firstly, in the tenth of November, numerous Ukrainian sources have already announced the finished contract, signed during Poroshenko’s visit to Turkey, his visit to the Bayrakarov developer’s workshops, Baykar Makina, and photos on the background of Bayraktar TB2 Secondly, on the well-known resource korrespondent.net specific names and positions of the officials who participated in the signing of the contract were indicated; these are Defense Minister Stepan Poltorak, First Deputy Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Oleg Gladkovsky, as well as Pavel Bukin, Director General of the State Concern Ukroboronprom.

Apparently, now the Ukrainian side is simply trying to hide the fact of this transaction in order to achieve operational surprise at the start of using the data. drones in the Donbass theater of operations. But all the details have long been known to us, and therefore it is necessary to start assessing the new threat to the 1st and 2nd army corps of the LDNR people's militia. The first thing to note is the practical ceiling of the Bayraktar TB2 UAV: ​​with 80% full fuel tanks and rocket-bomb “equipment” on hangers, the ceiling can be from 6500 to 7000 m, which will not allow air defense units of the republics to destroy drones using MANPADS Igla, as well as the Strela-10M3 and Osa-AK air defense systems, which are in service with the NM LDNR, because their altitude ranges are 3500 and 5000 m, respectively. Secondly, small-sized guided projectiles MAM-L ("Smart Micro Munition"), represented by a composite body with a diameter of 0,16 m and a length of 1 m, have an effective scattering surface of about 0,005 square meters. m, and therefore can neither be detected by the obsolete coherent-pulse detection radar "Osa-AK", nor "captured" by the guidance radar, despite even the centimeter X-band of their work. Meanwhile, the LDNR armies still have a chance for a full-fledged fight against MAM-L shells. We are talking about the use of ZRSK "Strela-10M3".

In this self-propelled air defense missile system, the 9М333 short-range anti-aircraft missile with a unique three-band optical-electronic seeker is used. In addition to the infrared and jamming logical channels, a photocontrast channel is also used, capable of detecting and “capturing” small-sized air attacks (including MAM-L) according to their silhouette at the time of approaching the air defense missile system at a distance of about 1 km. Consequently, even with the visual detection of a sufficiently large Bayraktar TB2 UAV, the calculation of the Arrow-10М3 can prepare an 9ШХNNXМ optical sight (or more advanced version) for targeting the MAM-L projectile dropped from the Bayraktar suspension device. But there are also negative moments. In particular, the 127М9 anti-aircraft missile’s GOS photocontrast channel will have extremely low efficiency in difficult meteorological conditions, as well as at night, while the IR channel will not be able to see MAM-L due to the absence of an engine for this projectile, which means and thermal radiation.

The only way out of the situation could be the transfer of more modern and long-range Russian anti-aircraft missiles to the LDNR Armed Forces, capable of destroying the Bayraktar TB2 even before reaching the MAM-L projectiles. Moreover, the provocative and aggressive actions of Kyiv against Russia are increasingly pushing our defense structures to develop new countermeasures. As for Erdogan, his approval of the contract for the sale of strike and reconnaissance equipment to the Ukrainian regime drones will automatically add the Turkish leadership to the list of parties to the conflict in Donbas, as well as the establishments of states such as the United States and Great Britain.

Information sources:
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3419802.html
https://zn.ua/WORLD/ukraina-zakupit-u-turcii-partiyu-udarnyh-bpla-smi-299429_.html
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/strela10m/strela10m.shtml
http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/osa_ak/osa_ak.shtml

Comments

[Uncle lee]

Cooperation with Turkey causes not only bewilderment, but also suggests that they only rule dubious profits .... To say the least!

[Tatar 174]

Quote from Uncle Lee

Cooperation with Turkey is not only perplexing

They have never been friends with us; you cannot trust them. They will smile, but dirty tricks for Russia will continue to do stealthily.

[Stas157]

Similar already happened. Thanks to the help of the USSR, in the 20s, Turkey quickly turned into a strong and influential European power. (Although the Young Turks were at the edge of the abyss at that time.) In return, Turkey repaid with black ingratitude, becoming a geopolitical adversary instead of a friend.

More recently, Erdogan’s fate was in the balance, and Turkey could be formatted into fragments. The Kurdish Civil War in Turkey itself. The unrest. And finally, a conspiracy against Erdogan ...
Putin essentially saved Turkey and Erdogan by taking his side and throwing the Kurds. But instead of a friend, we end up with a strong enemy, which we ourselves armed. History repeats itself ...

[Tarhan]

Similar already happened. Thanks to the help of the USSR, in the 20s, Turkey quickly turned into a strong and influential European power.

Not knowing what to knead the dough for?

In 1918, the vast Ottoman Empire was defeated in World War I (on the side of Germany). And in the 1 years, France and England took Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine from Turkey. And the Ottoman Empire turned into an ordinary Turkey. Since then, Turkey has never been a strong and influential European power. And now is not. If there had been no war in Syria, who would have recalled Turkey.

[Stas157]

Quote: Tarkhan

Not knowing what to knead the dough for?

So don’t mess.

Quote: Tarkhan

Since then, Turkey has never been a strong and influential European power. And now is not.

Tell your grandmothers about it. And what for did he write about the division of the Ottoman Empire, captain obvious, did anyone have any objections? Although Turkey is not the Ottoman Empire, it conducts international politics on an equal footing with Russia, with the EU (those who are generally kept by Faberge as emigrants), and even snarls at the United States.

[bulvas]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Cooperation with Turkey causes not only bewilderment, but also suggests that they only rule dubious profits .... To say the least!

It depends on what to expect from the "partner"

Where did you see allies now, ready not only to send their soldiers to death, but even to lose their commercial gain?

We get from them what we can and try to get more.

Or do you want our ships to slow down and search in the straits?
What you don’t like selling S-400 for good money, a pipe, a nuclear power plant
These are all billions of profits for us and the binding of Turkey for many years.

"A bad world is better than a good war"

[Barabashka]

What billions have arrived? We build them and NPPs and supply C400 for our loans that we give them for 20-25 years without interest
The time will come to pay and they will wave a pen to us, and then we will write them off, as always, with the wording "to establish a mutually beneficial partnership"

[bulvas]

Quote: Lamb

What billions have arrived? ....

What nonsense.
Do you want to say that no one knows how to trade besides you?

[Alber]

Quote: Lamb

What billions have arrived? We build them and NPPs and supply C400 for our loans that we give them for 20-25 years without interest
The time will come to pay and they will wave a pen to us, and then we will write them off, as always, with the wording "to establish a mutually beneficial partnership"

Quote: bulvas

Quote: Lamb

What billions have arrived? ....

What nonsense.
Do you want to say that no one knows how to trade besides you?

Hmmm!
Our despicable usurers and traders, sniffed with Turkey usurers

[Dmitry Pozhidaev]

Our? The overwhelming majority of Russian, Jewish, and usurers have never been and never will be. They are not even Russian at all. Just their parasitic systems are here. But from this they do not become OUR. Russian usury is not peculiar.

[Red_Baron]

Quote: Lamb

What billions have arrived? We build them and NPPs and supply C400 for our loans that we give them for 20-25 years without interest
The time will come to pay and they will wave a pen to us, and then we will write them off, as always, with the wording "to establish a mutually beneficial partnership"

Even the wording of this makes you think about the mental health of the writer.
Well, what billions - 2,5 for example, or do you have amnesia? I remember here, I don’t remember, I heard what happens if a train falls from the top shelf.
Are we building nuclear plants for our loans? What is it like? We took a loan from us in order to build a nuclear power plant ourselves? The next time you go to the store, take a loan for purchase from you and give it back in 20-25 years, well, just to visually draw up the nonsense that you wrote.
S-400s are sold about half on credit, and they will begin to be delivered somewhere at the beginning of 2020. And the Turks have already paid part of the amount. And I’m sure that there are exactly like you, with a hole in the right side, they whistle that they paid in vain, Russian money is stolen and nothing is delivered. So how do you differ from them? For the first time I’ve heard about 20-25 years that such a small amount (relatively of course) was taken for such an amount.
But I'm interested in something else. Why didn’t you ever yell, or rather yell, but about something else, when we took out loans, when in general we got cheap loans from loans from European banks? That is, we took and used and nothing - that no one stank.

So you thoughtlessly repeated the phrase said, I won’t tell anyone in 2017 yet, which does not honor either you or your digestive system, oh, concluding, of course.

[certero]

Yes, the Russian state gives a loan to Turkey, for which it buys nuclear plants and C 400 from Russian companies

[Red_Baron]

We already discussed this nonsense right here, but you need to write faster and not read.
In large transactions, everyone gives loans to each other, because the budgets of all countries are calculated and to include an article in it means that we take it away from something. See how other deals happen. But at the same time, Turkey has ALREADY transferred a part of the funds, and it will begin to receive goods only towards the end of the next year, if not later.
Turkey does not buy nuclear plants from Russia at all. It is built by our specialists themselves, and then they will be exploited.
The fact that you tried to make a throw specifically distorting the facts and ignoring what is written next about your question, says one thing, you are another provocateur. Or just an extremely smart person.

[Anatoly is scary]

NPPs cannot work without us. So we are not in danger of a loan. And the fact that the Turks are very, very unreliable partners is very accurate. But even after gas, they will not be able to bandit like Outskirts. After all, no one pays attention to how the Turkish stream was done right - in two strands. It makes it difficult to bully.

[Red_Baron]

And I almost forgot. If I’m not mistaken, the payment will be made in rubles, that is, the Turks will first buy our rubles, increasing their value, and pay them.

[shahor]

And will they pay for rubles in lira, which we can only spend in Turkey, stimulating their economy? Wisely!

[Red_Baron]

Is lira already a running and freely convertible currency? Did not know. I think the Turks did not know either.

[shahor]

Quote: Red_Baron

Is lira already a running and freely convertible currency? Did not know. I think the Turks did not know either.

Lira is a limited convertible currency, like the ruble. The lira rate has fallen sharply over the current year.
Accepting the Turkish lyre, we stimulate it.

[Red_Baron]

Can an example where we take it? with reference to something. As for the rubles, I can provide.

[shahor]

Quote: Red_Baron

Perhaps an example where we take it? with reference to something. As for the rubles, I can provide.

Read carefully the comment above- where our colleague on the couch expresses satisfaction with the settlements of Turks with Russia in rubles- at what expense will they buy rubles from us? for dollars? Then it’s easier to pay in dollars, avoiding unnecessary currency risks. We want to get away from the dollar and settle in national currencies? Then get ready - welcome, lyre! We will be in tomatoes and halva! For the rockets.

[Red_Baron]

All the same, I don’t understand where does the lira come from, because we also have a lot to buy from Turkey, and this may be in rubles. But to be honest, it doesn’t matter what kind of currency it is, the fact that it is good for our currency. It is good for the whole world that at least there are more transactions in national currencies rather than world ones.
I do not understand your indignation about tomatoes and halva, let's not sell it for air defense, but just sell it separately, and buy vegetables separately. Will something change? Why are slogans so important to you? And it is important for me and millions of people that in the spring potatoes are 50 rubles or more, because there is no place to bring, that in some periods vegetables are much more expensive and so on.
But according to your logic, as I understand it, the United States can sell high-tech weapons to countries where they get the hell out of it, and we don’t. You say - you misunderstood me, ok, but why then were the slogans?
What horror are we giving them air defense and they give us tomatoes. And the fact that both of them cost money, like a kilo of lead and a kilo of fluff, as if that would not look like a kilogram anyway.
And here's another interesting point. Your colleagues, I haven’t seen you personally, they constantly yell that we are driving oil, I’m trying to understand what’s wrong with this, but they are silent. Their gurus, trustees who tell the truth, say that we sell raw materials, but instead or at the same time they should sell products of a high degree of processing, because he has much higher surplus value and employment in it. Only these people did not remember the end of the phrase, well, really long. :)
So how do we sell goods of a high degree of processing, the same people start yelling at what’s wrong, then I’m even more lost, what’s wrong with you, gentlemen, are all weepers? :)

[shahor]

You either ... are cunning or do not understand the essence of the problem you are trying to touch upon. You positively assess the possibility of calculating the Turks with us in rubles. Wonderful, this fits into our desire to get away from calculating in dollars. At the same time, you should understand that such a settlement system is a two-way movement. Turks accept rubles, moneyers.
What is the output? We have today the most risky currency in the world, the ruble (IMF estimate - there can be no more serious assessment) and a very risky lira. In the Russian Federation, the balance sheet currency is the ruble.
In Turkey, the lira. We will set the price for the goods in rubles. But, since the Turks and I agreed on settlements in national currencies, the contract provides for the possibility of settlements in lira at the rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation on the payment date. And here, a bummer, three days later the lira again fell by 2 percent. And we were just about to sell

[shahor]

I continue. As a result of exchange rate differences, we suffered losses in the balance sheet currency. Therefore, the contract prices and settlement of the contract tend to fix in hard, low-currency currencies - euro, dollar. Sometimes - Swiss franc Switzerland is a small country, the money supply is relatively small. Therefore, with a friend of Maduro, we can not yet pay off in Bolivars, and give him a lot on credit. He then pays off. In general, as you noticed, everything is gone!

[Red_Baron]

Much is fair.
But I have some comments. Just like the lira, the ruble exchange rate sometimes drops. So this is a double-edged sword, as you rightly noted. I do not know how in this transaction, but in trading operations, the amounts at the rate on a certain day are considered. Accordingly, if desired, it is possible to withdraw the calculations for this day. And it is possible and generally offset. That is, if the amount does not lie dead weight with the red lira, but is used, then any fluctuations are minimal.
If you use it as an offset, then this is not a problem at all.
And about the rejection of the dollar. You understand that for now this is just politics, not economics. We need dollars for anyone, because we buy the vast majority of our imports from them.

[shahor]

I completely agree with you that the inflow of wells is vital for any country - Russia is no exception. Of course, one must understand that today the arms trade is increasingly carried out with the use of special "offset" schemes - just look at India. And the Turks initially insisted on transferring part of the S-400 technologies to them. Yes, today it is becoming difficult to work according to the money-commodity scheme (in the arms trade) - but I still consider it unacceptable for a country supplying high-tech equipment (and the S-400 is such) - to receive, for example, palm oil in return - as in the deal with Malaysia ...

[Grigory_78]

So you want to say that Turkey produces nothing besides tomatoes and halva? We must think that the Turks manually make spare parts for the F-35 on a knee with a file with all the tolerances.

[shahor]

Quote: Gregory_78

Oh, you want to say that Turkey produces nothing besides tomatoes and halva? We must think that the Turks manually make spare parts for the F-35 on a knee with a file with all the tolerances.

Dear, before writing a comment, please read carefully what the opponent writes. I, it seems, clearly wrote that the Turks wanted to establish the production of components for the S-400. Russia did not agree. The United States agreed with the F-35, but we do not. So if you please, eat halva served! Bon Appetit!

[EvilLion]

Another specialist in international trade, believing that the world is simply giving something to someone. It was only Khrushchev's USSR that was ready to arm monkeys for a very dubious "social. Orientation."

[Lena363]

Naive! The Turks will rule the gas pipeline in the future. And dictate your terms. As in nuclear power plants, for which money may not be returned at all.

[bulvas]

Quote: Lena363

Naive! The Turks will rule the gas pipeline in the future. And dictate your terms. As in nuclear power plants, for which money may not be returned at all.

Girl, not those fairy tales in kindergarten


Just ask yourself the question: how did we still trade?

At a loss?

Rosatom has hundreds of billions of contracts worldwide, if I’m not mistaken.

In addition, what a fool to decide to throw Rosatom, having on its territory a functioning nuclear power plant?

In vain you interfere in a man’s conversation

And in vain you mess with a bad company.

These people themselves do not understand anything, and other people turn their brains in the wrong direction

[Red_Baron]

The Turks will steer the gas pipeline, and what's wrong with that? When the gas comes to them through it, they will probably resell it, including. How does this concern us?
And they will not return money at nuclear power plants. There is another payment for nuclear power plants, it becomes the main supplier of electricity in its region, and we will already sell it.

[IQ12NHJ21az]

That's right, Turkey is not an ally but a partner in the region against the USA and Israel, modern weapons are full of electronics and it is not known which program is installed and if there is no remote control.

[Victor Demchenko]

Well, allow me, colleague!
1. The construction of the Turkish stream takes place AT OUR ACCOUNT. not? at the lowest gas price (according to VV) it will pay off in .... eleven years, so the benefit is very doubtful and illusory. maybe I'm wrong
2. NPP construction is also underway at our expense, and this is against the backdrop of government statements about the lack of money for retirement and social security ... somehow I don’t like it too much, despite the fact that there are no guarantees of loan repayments, there are a lot of examples negative (a loan to Ukraine for three lard greens, if anything, and African countries were given irrevocable loans) so ...
well and 3. finally: the search of our ships is contrary to the international straits treaty and is fraught with a third world war, but do they need it?

[Grigory_78]

I rummaged here at the forum of nuclear scientists, dug up information that the cost of building a nuclear power plant abroad is several times higher than the cost of building the same nuclear power plant for yourself. Much of this is due to the fact that the coordination procedures are much more complicated, specialists need to pay extra for business trips, and so on. But in fact - this is a long-term very profitable loan. Especially considering the fact that we supply fuel for nuclear power plants, we dispose of waste (and with appropriate treatment, most of the waste becomes fuel again, among other things). That is, maintaining its nuclear industry in working condition in this situation will occur due to its own revenues, and not from the treasury. That is, in essence, investments are not going to Turkey, China, India, Hungary and so on, but to the future of our nuclear industry. In support of its staff, the high qualifications of this very staff, equipment upgrades, the development of new technologies and standards ... In general, if Turkey and the other countries in which we build nuclear power plants receive cheap energy, then we will have a secure future for our RosAtom and the country generally.

[Tarhan]

And what for did he write about the division of the Ottoman Empire, captain obvious, did anyone have any objections?

And this is for the dull. With the loss of the Ottoman colonies, Turkey could not become a strong power. Yes, even with the help of the USSR. In the 20 years, Russia itself only, only departed from the hardships of revolution and civil war.

[mirag2]

Tarkhan -Gold words !!!

[Rakovor]

Where did Turkey pay back with "black ingratitude"? By not joining the war on Hitler's side? Or the fact that they did not let German submarines through the straits? (delivered by rail). And it became a geopolitical enemy after Stalin tried to raise the question of the ownership of the straits.
And about Putin, who saved Erdogan - it's strong.))). And how could we "throw" the Kurds, if we practically have no influence on them, there are more staff members who rule.

[Stas157]

Quote: Rakovor

Where did Turkey pay back with "black ingratitude"? By not joining the war on Hitler's side?

The Turkish government was ready to enter the war on the side of Germany immediately after the fall of Stalingrad

In the fall of 1941, Turkey transferred 24 divisions to the border with the USSR, which forced Stalin to strengthen the Transcaucasian Military District with 25 divisions. ...
Since the beginning of 1942, the intentions of Turkey were no longer in doubt among the Soviet leadership, and in April of that year, a tank corps, six air regiments, two divisions were deployed in Transcaucasia, and the Transcaucasian Front was officially approved on May 1. In fact, the war against Turkey was supposed to start from day to day, since on May 5, 1942, the troops received a directive on their readiness to launch a pre-emptive attack on Turkish territory. However, it didn’t get to the hostilities, although Turkey’s pullback of the significant forces of the Red Army significantly helped the Wehrmacht. After all, if the 45th and 46th armies were not in the Transcaucasus, but participated in battles with the 6th army of Paulus, it is still unknown what “successes” the Germans would have achieved in the summer campaign of 1942. But much more damage to the USSR was caused by Turkey’s cooperation with Hitler in the economic sphere, especially the actual opening of the Straits for ships of the Axis countries. Formally, the Germans and Italians respected: naval sailors, while passing through the straits, changed into civilian clothes, weapons from ships were removed or masked, and there seemed to be nothing to complain about. Formally, the Montreux Convention was respected, but at the same time, not only German and Italian merchant ships, but also combat ships, freely passed through the straits. And soon it came to the point that the Turkish navy began to convoy transports with cargoes for the Axis countries in the Black Sea. ... But the rare ships of the Soviet fleet went through the Straits in fact, as if to be shot.

[Rakovor]

Ready and real to enter - different things. As for the two armies, nothing would have changed, there would have been more dead and prisoners. Names of enemy ships passing through the Bosphorus? And as for our people going to be shot, it looks like propaganda in general. It was with the outbreak of the war with the Black Sea Fleet that a large part of the transport fleet was withdrawn, and nothing, no one was shot.
And yes, about economic cooperation: Turkey is a neutral country, with whom it wants, it cooperates with that.

[Stas157]

Quote: Rakovor

Ready and real to enter - different things

Stalin was forced to keep 25 divisions there under the noses of "friends"! Can you refute this fact? Throughout the war, Turkey was Hitler's non-belligerent ally. It is no coincidence that on March 19, 1945, the Soviet government denounced the 1925 Soviet-Turkish friendship treaty. Look for the names of the German ships yourself, but there is an indisputable fact that not only German and Italian merchant ships sailed through the straits, but also combat ones. The first time that the Turks turned the Germans back was only in 1944, when it became clear to everyone that Germany was losing.

Quote: Rakovor

And as for our people going to be shot, it looks like propaganda in general. That's when the war with the Black Sea Fleet started, most of the transport fleet was withdrawn, and nothing, no one was shot.

rare ships of the Soviet fleet went through the Straits in fact, as if to be shot. Which, however, was not far from the truth. In November 1941, four Soviet ships - an icebreaker and three tankers - it was decided to transfer from the Black Sea to the Pacific Ocean in view of their futility and so that they would not become victims of German dive bombers. All four ships were civilian vessels and had no weapons.

The Turks freely let them in, but as soon as the ships left the Dardanelles, tanker Varlaam Avanesov I got a torpedo aboard from a German submarine U652, which is a coincidence! - Was exactly on the route of the Soviet ships.

Whether German intelligence quickly worked, or “neutral” Turks shared information with partners, but the fact remains that “Barlaam Avanesov” still lies at the bottom of the Aegean Sea 14 kilometers from the island of Lesbos. The icebreaker "Anastas Mikoyan" was more fortunate, and he was able to escape from the pursuit of Italian boats near the island of Rhodes. The icebreaker was saved only by the fact that the boats were armed with small-caliber anti-aircraft guns, which were quite problematic to sink the icebreaker.

[nickname7]

Turkey, a former empire that was created by fire and sword. Now, Turkey suffers from phantom pains by its former power and uses its old methods - uncompromisingness and aggression, to do good like this, you need to be very careful, as good perceives Turkey as weakness.

[meandr51]

Weak weak Turkey?

[Machito]

It all depends on Erdogan himself.
The Turkish empire was friends with Europe for 300 years. And how did this friendship end? A military coup?
After the WWII, the Turkish Empire ceased to exist, was occupied by the Entente and the United States. Grandfather LENIN saved Kemal Ataturk from defeat and created modern Turkey instead of 5-6 independent states. The USSR supplied Turkey with ammunition, ammunition, guns, and instructors. Ukraine needs to sell monuments to Lenin of Turkey. This is the business. A good idea.
Now the GDP has saved Erdogan from a coup. Turkey always expands when it is friends with Russia. Now Idlib is mastering. Erdogan is looking closely at the SCO, watching. Maybe it's time for a military alliance between Turkey and Russia? The Black Sea will immediately become Russian-Turkish. Georgia will be "squeezed" by the allies. Armenia is flirting with the United States. An alliance with Azerbaijan is more profitable for Russia to control the Caspian oil. Azerbaijan is friends with Turkey, and Azerbaijanis live in the north of Iran.
In general, Erdogan’s hands hold the keys to the Big Game. And who knows which way he will go?
Turkey, on the other hand, is a NATO country. For the role of mishandled Cossack is very suitable.

[Red_Baron]

Erdogan is a very tough, very authoritarian ruler and perfectly bends his line both among his colleagues in the dangerous region and among overseas. When you need to play both ours and yours. This must be taken into account and this is taken into account. You do not need to bet on him and consider him a friend. But it’s necessary to have a deal, Turkey is a well-developing country and it needs a large number of high-tech products, technologies themselves, energy resources, etc.

[andj61]

Quote: Tartar 174

Quote from Uncle Lee

Cooperation with Turkey is not only perplexing

They have never been friends with us; you cannot trust them. They will smile, but dirty tricks for Russia will continue to do stealthily.

Everything is so - both Turkey and Iran are just fellow travelers for Russia, but each ensures, first of all, his own interests. Their controlled group shot down our plane with MANPADS? Well, about accountability - that's how to say. Then hesbollah can be considered controlled by Russia. But Russia, in the same way, together with the SAA, using any pretext, made strikes against this very Idlib group, reducing its size and population, which Turkey strongly protested against. The S-400 story only increases Turkey's importance in the region, Erdogan emphasizes his " independence "from the United States - and this is also in the interests of Russia, if it is stupid not to consider the benefit from the sale of weapons. And any crack in relations between the allies (the United States and Turkey are precisely allies!) is in the interests of Russia." And Erdogan quite reasonably sees no reason to express special gratitude to Russia for supplying Turkey with S-400.
Turkey and Iran are no allies for us - just like Russia for them. Why should the author not consider this issue from the other side — both Russia and Turkey use each other for their own selfish purposes? In this case, a lot will fall into place.

[NordUral]

Third ally! They do not harm, but simply rigidly bend their line, which is quite normal. But the behavior of Moscow suggests such thoughts - for these profits from transactions with the Turks are important, and the death of our guys is the tenth thing.

[Red_Baron]

I can’t but agree again. Moscow is a very dangerous city. You can just see the bulletins, every year on the streets of Moscow thousands of people die and this is only under the wheels of cars !!!!! Now further - you can see how many people are dying of diseases, you don’t think that diseases are just like that? Each disease has its own cause and it is not in vain that they accumulate in Moscow. And finally. In Moscow, they die of old age, and how many people did not try to find out the reason for this from doctors, policemen and firefighters received only unintelligible excuses.
There really is one problem, production capacities, and this is about 60 plants located in 17 regions of Russia, and this is work, salary, taxes, research, technology development and so on.
But Moscow I think and can kill them - her hands are long and greedy for profits.

[EvilLion]

I understand that you live in the 19 century, but now losses in manpower cross out any profits from transactions.

[Lebedev]

To paraphrase the classic .. And who are the friends? .. No need to build illusions!

[Sirocco]

Quote: Tatar 174

They have never been friends with us; you cannot trust them.

Gold words. What Erdogan, what Trump is a single field of berries in the literal sense (NATO) Only the naive believe in their decency. Do not do good, do not receive evil.

[Bykov.]

Quote: Uncle Lee

Cooperation with Turkey causes not only bewilderment, but also suggests that they only rule dubious profits .... To say the least!

Simply, the world is much more complicated than it seems to the author.

[Consultant]

Quote: Bulls.

the world is much more complicated than it seems to the author

Well, there’s nothing to argue with. In addition, the whole article is built on this:

... its author is the famous Ukrainian journalist from the nationalist camp, Yuriy Butusov, citing sources surrounded by the defense minister, S. S. Poltorak, and the mil.in.ua portal

That is, OBS.

And despite the fact that even Poltorak himself on November 13 completely “turned on the reverse gear” in the issue of acquiring Bayraktarov, saying that there was no signed document, to trust Butusov there is absolutely no reason

Well, of course ... how can you not trust - without this, the "article" will not work

Another chewing gum, in short. To increase attendance.

[2329 Carpenter]

Yes, certainly not so simple. Now the moves are read much more interesting and further than ever.

[rocket757]

Do not trust, clearly understand that these are temporary travel companions and LEARNS TO USE sales even temporary cooperation precisely for YOUR purposes!
Engage in strengthening YOUR power, at the expense of all sorts of different fellow travelers!
So it should be, there are simply no other better recipes!
Yes, they will turn their backs on everyone, do not cooperate, do not trade, only in the case when this is an unconditional loss for the COUNTRY!
Dreams Dreams!!! When ours will arrive .... sho is more cunning?

[Antivirus2k]

Is it different under capitalism? When you finally get wiser ...

[tihonmarine]

Turkey has its own wedding, and we have ours. But a bad peace is better than a good war. We are all the same neighbors and throughout history we "did not breathe evenly", so now it can be called "warmer relations". And as the main players in Asia, I think over time we will come to an understanding. It's time to stop looking at each other with wolves.

[Same lech]

I always look with tenderness at Erdogan’s meetings with Putin ... when Rejeb Tayyip smiles sweetly at 32 teeth GDP always mentally say GDP don't turn your back on him or he will also sweetly put your Turkish dagger under your shoulder blade with a smile.
Therefore, the Turks are not surprised by this article by the Turks, since they consider it profitable and the hasty sale of the S-400 is premature and wrong for them.

[meandr51]

And what does this threaten us with?

[Sirocco]

Quote: meandr51

And what does this threaten us with?

And exactly what happened on the weekend. If in 15 the offensive of the "militia" on Mariupol and so on had not been stopped, there would not have been this provocation and the screeching of the world community about the Kerch Strait today.

[Xazarin]

Turkey, unfortunately, is currently our fellow traveler. And like any other country, it pursues exclusively its own interests. So, whether we want it or not we have to work with them. I am personally interested in another question, what leverage we have on the Turks. I try to the best of my ability to analyze the situation, and it turns out that Erdogan’s trump card is more. Not good.

[samarin1969]

Quote: Xazarin

I try to the best of my ability to analyze the situation, and it turns out that Erdogan’s trump card is more

Erdogan has just "solitaire" - transit routes, support for the Mejlis in Crimea, influence in the Caucasus, straits, controlled formations in Syria, etc. ... From our side, only "tomatoes" and the pathological love of "Russians" to rest in Turkey. .... And was it worth it to warn the "friend" about the coup? ... The civil war in Turkey would have taken her out of the "game" for a long time.

[Xazarin]

Add a nuclear station to the deck), but we still have MANPADS for RPK

[tihonmarine]

Let the neighbor be calm and not bad than such as Ukraine.

[kepmor]

somehow I do not really believe in the "wisdom" of the sun ...
I feel that all these tricks with the Turks, according to the old Russian tradition, will end as always ... they will throw us ... and don’t go to the grandmother ...
in certain circles this action is very common ... and is called "divorce in the dark" ...

[Antivirus2k]

You shouldn't believe. You just need to understand that his goal is not "great Russia", as blind and deaf "hurray" think.

[Victor Demchenko]

correctly. its goal is the collapse of the country into specific principalities! and all these slogans and calls for idiots who do not see beyond their nose!

[rotmistr60]

the transfer of LDNR aircraft to more modern and long-range Russian anti-aircraft missile systems capable of destroying Bayraktar TB2

And not only him, but also to oppose the Ukrainian aviation, which sooner or later, but will again be used. Of course, it is necessary to constantly keep an eye on the Turks, and this is suggested not only by the history of our absolutely difficult relations, but also by Turkey's latest "gifts" to us. It seems that the "Turkish Stream" and a small confrontation between Turkey and the United States forces us to balance on "partner" relations with Turkey. But what will come of this will show time.

[Varreox]

Do you want these terrorists to beat civilian parties ??? Sane?
And what did the Ukrainian pilots do? They are not people for you at all and you can just shoot at them because you wanted to?

[Antivirus2k]

Will you show me at least one document where they are recognized as "terrorists"? Even yours, Papuans are coming out.

[Mikhail Zubkov]

The ukronatsiks and neobandera are primordial enemies, and the nearer ukroletuns of the Soviet school are even more traitorous and enemies of the people, and they must be punished accordingly FIRST. For the bombing of Lugansk and Donetsk have not yet been answered!

[asv363]

Those Ukrainian pilots who fly to bomb the Donbass (DPR and LPR) are difficult to count as people.

[tihonmarine]

We’ve been fighting Turkey since Ivan the Terrible, it’s time to start building relationships.

[WOLF330]

Grozny faced opposition. Not everyone was happy with the strengthening of the power and power of the state. It has become more difficult to steal, part of the freemen of the boyars were eliminated. Troubles, wars and sabotage began. Ivan harshly stopped them. However, most of the rebels did not execute, but was evicted to the outskirts of the state. Was that how they behaved in Europe? Not at all like that. Ivan the Terrible executed about 4 people. He wrote down their names in the Synodic and commemorated them in temples. He was a religious person and experienced every murder (execution) as a personal tragedy and for this he constantly asked God for forgiveness. At the same time, more than 000 people were executed in England, as they say. Ivan the Terrible did not kill his son. An analysis of his remains showed that he was poisoned, there were no injuries to the skull from a blow allegedly with a cane. Grozny, like his children and some wives, was KILLED by the boyars who wanted to plunge the country into turmoil and fill their own pockets. A lot of parallels can be drawn between the current and then Ruus nobility. Ivan the Terrible, by the way, had very close relations with the Turks ...

[Tersky]

Quote: KURT330

Grozny, like his children and some wives, was KILLED by the boyars who wanted to plunge the country into trouble and fill their own pockets.

Search the Internet "England against Russia - from Ivan the Terrible to the present day", and your opinion will change dramatically.

[Tarhan]

Ivan the Terrible, by the way, had very close relations with the Turks ...

Because it flowed not only the blood of Rurik and the Byzantine emperors of the Paleologists, but also the blood of Genghis Khan and Mamai.

And the Arabic script on the sheloms indicates that these shelomas were made in Central Asia, and only then came to Russia through trade routes. And in one of them, later, already in Russia, the Slavic inscription was knocked out.

[igorbrsv]

They would not sell the S-400 to the Turks, they would buy the Patriot

[inkass_98]

Well, finally, Damantsev responded to a burning topic.
I will ask one question to the author: does he know which member of the military-political organization Turkey is? And France, for example? What about Germany?
So, France, being our most likely enemy, nevertheless supplied us with avionics for combat aircraft, thermal imaging components for tanks, etc. And, for us, helicopter carriers built for us - shock, by the way, weapons.
And Germany, such a traitor, supplied various types of propulsion systems to warships of the Russian fleet.
So in the world everything is not very simple, and loot still wins everything.

[Antivirus2k]

Is France the most likely adversary? What?

[inkass_98]

That she is a member of NATO. Or did I miss something in this life, and France again left the block?

[Victor Demchenko]

out of the military component. and how long.

[asv363]

Yuri, what of the mentioned by you France and Germany supplies at this time? (Let's close our eyes about the significant fact of non-fulfillment of the contract for two "stools").

[inkass_98]

Counter-question: what until recently did the Russian Federation supply Turkey with weapons? In a period of complication of relations - nothing. Now there is a type of situational partnership, and there are some kind of trade relations, including in the arms sector.
With France and Germany, we have, as it were, a period of mutual sanctions, with Turkey there is nothing of the kind.

[asv363]

Quote: inkass_98

Counter-question: what until recently did the Russian Federation supply Turkey with weapons? In a period of complication of relations - nothing. Now there is a type of situational partnership, and there are some kind of trade relations, including in the arms sector.

I could not immediately remember. Nevertheless, even before the Turkish Air Force shot down our plane (allegedly over their territory), a rather large transfer of 3 billion US dollars was made through VEB for the construction of the Akkuyu nuclear power plant. Turkish Stream. Now we have invested a lot in Turkey, so we are tied hand and foot. If these projects were not there, they would not see Northern Syria as their ears.

[meandr51]

And that is great!

[jonht]

Perhaps there is a danger from the UAV data, but their speed, size, do not make them invisible to the means of our air defense, and therefore who prevents to establish (if not yet) interaction along this line with the Republics?
According to technical capabilities, these devices can vryatli work from a height of more than 4-5 thousand, and therefore quite self-defeated by MANPADS.
If you come from really dangerous weapons that will appear in the Armed Forces, these are disposable barrage shock drones that Israel can sell to Kueva.

[Wened]

Evgeny Damantsev

It would not hurt the author to try to understand the difference between a geopolitical ally and a member of a military bloc.

Poland The Warsaw Pact, in fact the last 500 years, a geopolitical enemy, the vanguard of the Iswith-biblical concept.

Turkey is a member of NATO south Russia’s geopolitical ally, for more than 100 years, since assisting V. I. Lenin, the Turkish government of that time.

As Peter the First said, history not only needs to be known, but it should.

The blatant illiteracy of all 100% liberal hacks honestly surprises, where did they come up with so much over the past 20 years? The formation of the USSR could not spawn such, even among the careerists of the Komsomol.

[For example]

Quote: Wened

where have they been dug up so much over the past 20 years

Bloggers ... Why study when there is an opportunity to take a picture of yourself without panties and get a million subscribers? Well, or wrote that Petya is an alcoholic, and Erdogan - "a knife in the back" and it's in the bag! You are a journalist!
...... and let the three in literature and Russian in the certificate.

[alatanas]

the southern geopolitical ally of Russia, for more than 100 years

Especially in the WWI, on the Kvkaz front

[Wened]

Especially in the WWI, on the Kvkaz front

For especially attentive ...

Again........................

Geopolitical ally .........................

Member of NATO .....................

You guessed it yourself? Or how to explain to a 5-year-old kindergartener?

Hint, First Chechen, last names and first names of those who directly openly supported the rebels, on whom the criminal case has not yet been instituted., The sidekick of which controlled every step of the EBENE

Do you think differently in Turkey? and three more

[victor50]

Quote: Wened

Poland Warsaw Pact, in fact the last 500 years, a geopolitical enemy, the vanguard of the IZUITSKO-Biblical concept.

You would pick up the words easier, wouldn’t be clever, there would be less stupid mistakes.

Quote: Wened

geopolitical ally of Russia, for more than 100 years

I was laughing about a century-old geopolitical ally, a NATO member, on whose territory missiles with nuclear warheads were once deployed, and quite recently, without hesitation, they overwhelmed our plane. Well, for your information: in Soviet times, we supported the Kurdish workers' party, which was actually waging a guerrilla war with the Turkish authorities, "our centenary geopolitical ally"!

[Wened]

Victor, would you take your country to Russia, or do we not have a single traitor? Who openly brazenly flaunts this?
And people like you write the word to say to them, or stand with a poster on which his name will be written, Scary yes? they have a lot of money what if they get fired from cozy Moscow work, how to remain without the usual comfort.
Above

alatanas (Alexander Atanasov)

already answered.

You would pick up the words easier, wouldn’t be clever, there would be less stupid mistakes.

What about you? Does your own mind interfere with cleverness?

Exercise student and then the dystrophy of the mind will overtake .................. is not noticeable.

[Wened]

You would pick up the words easier, wouldn’t be clever, there would be less stupid mistakes.

Learn Vitya how to be clever



THIS IS CALLED GEOPOLITICS.

And what you wrote is called a zombie rewriting of someone else’s opinion that you read somewhere, but without remembering where, you pass off as your own.

[igorra]

Again, everything is gone and milk is burnt? The author is evidently present at all the meetings and meetings of Putin and is actively participating in the great Middle East game at the subject level. How can one operate with such statements without knowing the whole ins and outs? Everything is not what it seems. Confucius, in my opinion, may be mistaken. And interestingly, not one of the great ikspertov-authors, does not hit his heels in the chest, asking for forgiveness when the forecast does not come true.

[Antivirus2k]

I love these "patriots" who always scream that the king is wise and we just don't know everything. Yes, yes, the "wisdom" of the tsar already crawls out of all cracks, especially in the pockets it is clearly visible.

[The leader of the Redskins]

"The only way out may be ... the transfer of the Armed Forces to the LDNR ... modern Russian air defense systems" ... Author! Are you sorry, out of your mind? Or have I missed something and the Russian Federation recognized the LPNR, concluded an agreement and began to supply something there? !!!
And if these are your personal Wishlist, add "that would be awesome if ..." And roll your eyes dreamily.

[Antivirus2k]

Yes, we are aware that the Russian government is merging LDNR, there is no need to remind it once again.

[WOLF330]

Ah yes Damantsev, oh yes ....

[WOLF330]

This is a clipping from the Turkish press on the 10th of this month. It says that in connection with the situation in the east of Ukraine and taking into account the fact that military operations are being conducted there, the sale of any of the sides of serious weapons is not welcome. This fact is also not welcomed under the International Rules and, therefore, for Turkey it is a deterrent.
If there are Turkish speakers among you, then they will understand:
TÜRKİYE İÇİN CAYDIRICI FAKTÖRLER
Ukrayna'nın doğusunda Donbass bölgesindeki duruma değinen Podberezkin, "Sorun şu ki, savaş çıkması durumunda ülkeler genel olarak savaşan taraflara ölümcül silah sağlamıyor. Uluslararası kurallar bunu hoş görmüyor. Bu noktada elbette Türkiye için bazı caydırıcı faktörler olabilir" diye konuştu.
http://www.kokpit.aero/turkiye-ukrayna-iha-ortakligi

[baku1999]

yes they went, that those that are, tansky, litter !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ikisi de, sikilmelidir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Varreox]

Again conspiracy theories, stories about insidious plans of other countries, reptilians and more ...
VO turned into a branch of REN-TV

[Larum]

Money doesn't smell! And you didn’t know that we were living under capitalism?
If GDP already spoke about the growth of our investments in Ukraine, then Turkey then ...

[WOLF330]

[/ quote] also developed by Roketsun. [quote]

Correct is "Roketsan" from the words roket sanayi (rocket industry). I remember somehow the same Damantsev ridiculed the defense industry of Turkey, so why this cheekbone @ f?

[baku1999]

that may be this, you say sho, they are (Tsyurks) nikada, do you hear, NO-KA-YES, against the "brotherly" Scatter, do not go !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! well, century, do not sell tomatoes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Faceless]

Before writing a comment, correcting fantasies called analytics, he asked the question: “Isn’t it better to wave your hand at all?” But anyway.
“The fact that an attempt to establish any constructive and mutually beneficial relations with the Turkish side will end with enviable regularity for Moscow will not only end with the complete destruction of the illusions that Ankara is our main strategic partner in the Asian region, but also with much more significant and painful blows of a military-political and operational-strategic nature. ”
And what do you offer in return - war? Russia's position in international politics is extremely simple: we cooperate with anyone who wants to cooperate with the Russian Federation. If Turkey wants to cooperate with us in a number of areas, then it is necessary to cooperate. On other issues, we have polar interests - we are looking for compromises there. But to mix everything in one heap, calling it a friend or an enemy - is sheer amateurism. These are not categories of international politics at all. Turkey will never be a "friend" of the Russian Federation, as well as Belarus, Ukraine, Japan, the USA, Argentina ... There are common interests, there are mutually exclusive ones, there is a "golden mean" in the mn. relationship. And "friends" and "enemies" are not there.

“Ankara is our main strategic partner in the Asian region”
- Given that it is a NATO country, the statement is generally stupid. Turkey, unlike many others, has its own interests, which is an absolute plus. This means its predictability and negotiability, in contrast to the same Bulgarians who, at the direction of the outside, tore off the pipe passage through their territory, and after that they bite their elbows.

About the incident with the Su-24M. The author of the article overslept all the events that were after? There was our answer, there were Turkish apologies, there was Turkish compensation (which, however, the pilot’s family refused, but this is the second question (they offered a house with land in Turkey as a property, that is, it was possible to sell, rent, exchange it))

“Later, after“ joyful exclamations ”in our foreign policy department and the media about the normalization of Russian-Turkish relations and the joint development of a“ road map ”

And what should be the exclamations? We have wide cooperation: from the gas hub and gasification of the country, to the supply of S-400. Yes, we have disagreements on Syrian issues (which is natural and normal), but these are other issues that are not related to the previous ones.

“Erdogan taught Moscow a couple more brutal lessons from the section of the Great Middle East Game.” First of all, it is the interception by the Igla MANPADS operator from the units of the Tahrir al-Sham Shah Idlib fighters on our Su-25SM on February 3, 2018, whose catapulted pilot (Major Roman Filipov) heroically died in an unequal battle with the pro-Turkish An-Nusrovites. ”

In its purest form, the author’s fantasies. He does not know and cannot know how it really was. This is speculation. An-nusru (Tahrir al-Sham) (both prohibited in the Russian Federation) the Turks do not control and cannot control. These are a variety of terrorists, existing mainly on the money of the State Department and Riyadh. What does the Turks have to do with it? They lashed fire with them in Idlib, and then it turns out that the Turks control them? Yeah, and assign military ranks. In a word - continuous fantasies.

“It is logical that the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Turkey could have prevented a tragic event, but did not do this, in order to once again show the Russian side who is the boss in the region.”

Is it logical? - what is it all of a sudden? Are all terrorists observing subordination? Or are the Turks to blame only for the fact that the MANPADS was produced by the Russian Federation / USSR, which hit our plane? Then it’s necessary to immediately blame the Russian Federation - MANPADS of our production. In a word - fantasy again.

“Therefore, the“ rewarding ”of the Turkish defense department with a contract for the acquisition of four divisions of the latest S-400 Triumph air defense systems from Rosoboronexport can be interpreted as one of the most ridiculous military-political mistakes in recent years, given that the issue of returning the“ Idlib an adder ”Damascus is not even on the agenda of the Turkish leadership. But this is only half the trouble. ”

- Better they buy the Patriots. In general, what for us Rosoboronexport? After all, everyone to whom we sell weapons can potentially use it against us! Disband it and let the whole world work for the US military-industrial complex!

“Just a few days ago, quite a resonant piece of news appeared on the network about the preparation by the defense departments of an“ independent ”and Turkey contract for the purchase by the Ukrainian side of 2 unmanned aerial systems (LHC) consisting of 6 ...”

So what? There, American and English drones and reconnaissance aircraft do not crawl out of the local sky. Without the USA, the APU cannot spit in the direction of the LPR. All that is needed by the Armed Forces will be passed on. What will these UAVs change? Hammers are not really able to master the APU - all UAZs were bought from the population, and then the UAV is Turkish ... What's wrong with the fact that the Turks sold it to Ukraine? Yes, it is in the interests of Turkey. No, this is not in our interests. But Turkey acts in its own interests, and is not obliged to ask us. Lukashenko has been selling cheap fuel and lubricants to Ukraine for 5 years - he didn’t become our enemy, but here are some UAVs.

Sold and sold. We do not have a military alliance with Turkey, we are not at war with Ukraine, Turkey has not violated any international obligations. Military goods were sold to Ukraine and Azerbaijan and Armenia on trifles, and now what are they to be written down as enemies of the Russian Federation?

About the conclusions about the "only panacea" - I will not even comment. There is always only one way out - there are no others.

I summarize. 50% of the article is based on fantasy and speculation, camouflaged by complex abbreviations for scientific. With this in mind, it’s completely pointless to analyze conclusions, and the article should be in the “Popular Science Fiction” section, and not “Analytics”

[Mikhail Vityutnev]

No politics - pure commerce. Do not forget that almost all of Ukraine, including the aircraft, travels on Russian fuel, or made from Russian oil. Turkey is not thinking about Russia or Ukraine, but about its workers involved in the production of high value-added products. As well as Russia, which sells military equipment to Azerbaijan and Armenia, and China and India. What pursues are only mercantile interests.

[Krilion]

Putin has long served only and exclusively the interests of the Great Trumpet ..

[Antivirus2k]

Not the pipes, but the oligarchic elite, and they are not only from the pipe, they suck all of Russia to dryness.

[Stils]

In exchange for the lives of our guys and the security of our own country for profits, it has already become a habit for our leadership.
"With 300% profit, there is no crime that the capitalist would not dare to commit, even under the threat of the gallows ..." Karl Marx, Capital.

[Antivirus2k]

But in general, this phrase belongs to Thomas Joseph Dunning, and Marx simply referred to him in Capital.

[asar]

They rule the money!

[Incaf bikmullin]

The author please tell me, but who buys diesel fuel for her army from whom? Isn't Russia by chance?

[Al merimets]

How else?! This is a double-sided pilling of budget money. Even a burnt natsik will not pass indifferently such a bakshish. So the policy is separate, cutlets separately! Something like this!

[absaz]

Turkey has never been a friend of Russia and is unlikely to be it.

[Baloo]

As for Erdogan, his approval of a contract for the sale of shock-reconnaissance drones to the Ukrainian regime will automatically place the Turkish leadership on the list of parties to the conflict in the Donbass, as well as the establishment of states such as the United States and Great Britain.

And fso? Let them eat their own tomatoes then, sanctions against the tomato.!

[Alexey-74]

National interests went aside, business and profit remained in a specific situation. Russia in its history waged wars with Turkey for years, and suddenly they became partners with us? Rave...

[Alexey Ermolov]

Why not look at it from a different angle. The Turks sold the drones to Ukraine and made money. Ukraine will start to launch them in Donbass (they will be immediately demolished in Crimea). Air defense systems (S-300, etc.) will be delivered to the DPR and LPR. These drones are knocked down and that in the end ... The Turks started working, the Ukrainian hucksters also got a kickback from the treasury, new air defense systems in Donbass ... The State Department was again lit))) !

[Al merimets]

It would not be a bad idea to intercept them. I wonder how serious the protection against interception is for Turkic drones?

[xomaNN]

Turkish duplicity is in our understanding. And the Asians themselves consider it completely normal for both the Russian Federation and Ukraine to make any promises and squander courtesies. I would like to hope that the Russian authorities correctly evaluate the Turks: not allies, but fellow travelers for a short time, who can always stab in the back

[Kalkan]

regarding the allegations of duplicity ... Did Turkey make any promises to Russia on its relations with Ukraine, with the Crimea, etc.? They, as an independent state, pursue the interests of their state and conduct their policy where they do not owe anything to either Russia or the United States outside the framework of the concluded agreements!

[Al merimets]

How to bask: nothing personal, only business. There is nothing new under the sun.

[Siberia 9444]

Vova, the plane will lay the pipe for sale and sell the c400, then he will merge the technology with the Chinese, pay pensions for Israel pensions, and our macros (for il20, what else needs to be done), the islands now apparently won't let him sleep (they promised that the USA will not be there ) it’s generally adequate, but we don’t have any friends here, if only business and nothing personal, but we won’t go far

[Al merimets]

Do you misrepresent your native language? Believe me, it is sickening to read such a "guanic" presentation.

[Henderson]

That is, even such an aircraft-building power as Turkey is already capable of making shock drones ..

[Al merimets]

No wonder, they are now almost on their knees collected, like "dads" in the Second World War.

[Henderson]

Russian drummers, however, are not yet visible.

[lukewarm]

On the occasion of "Bayraktarov" Vladislav Shurygin has made a good understanding of the topic. One such UAV cost the price of the Su-25 attack aircraft. His opportunities are small. For reasons of air defense systems and so on - I think electronic warfare systems will be provided (and maybe already there). So the task of the SAM will be easier. But the question, judging by the title of the article, is not "What has Ukraine gained and how to deal with it." The question of relations with Turkey. I hope the top has an understanding that Turkey is nothing more than a situational partner. Now all over the world such a mess. Alliances are bursting at the seams, all sorts of one-day alliances are being created. The players here are not only countries, but rather global corporations. And if it is profitable for the "national estate GazpOrn" to pull the flow to Turkey, they put it on the fact that this is an enemy state. In the end, the guards will say that the SSR also sent echelons to Germany in the 20s of June. If it is profitable to sell the S-400, they will sell it and put it on the interests of the state. The state of the Russian Federation today is the same joint-stock company as everything else and a player for profit. It's just that we use the old approaches by inertia, alas. Well, highly paid "patriots" with British citizenship like Brilev will tell us that the sale of the S-400 is one of the most ingenious and cunning plans. It will set Turkey at odds with the United States (hurray!), Will give our defense industry money (in the person of directors of state corporations, workers will simply have more work). Well, the razumetstsa S-400 will be cut down and with tabs and "NEVER" will be able to shoot down our planes. While he was joking, he already felt better, he even began to believe in this nonsense

[Horn]

"... Provide 10 percent, and capital agrees to any use, at 20 percent it becomes animated, at 50 percent it is positively ready to break its head, at 100 percent it violates all human laws, at 300 percent there is no such crime for which it would not risk, even on pain of the gallows. If noise and abuse are profitable, capital will contribute to both. Proof: smuggling and slave trade "(TJ Dunning, op. cit., pp. 35, 36)

[businessv]

I have never criticized the author, but in this article, IMHO, he went too far, based only on assumptions, assumptions and references to dubious sources. There are no illusions about Turkey - they are not friends to us, that’s natural, but about the alleged use of the independent drones in the Donbass theater of operations, we can say with confidence that the detection range of our S-300 systems and their use from their territory, if necessary, in what I think no one doubts, will simply remove all the questions raised by the author from the agenda!
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[Radical]

Quote: tihonmarine

We’ve been fighting Turkey since Ivan the Terrible, it’s time to start building relationships.

It is for this reason that they will never be good with them. Their hatred of Russia has already developed at the genetic level, over the course of several centuries! Only a naive person can count on an alliance with them, especially since friendship, which cannot be said about the Guarantor. Means what? And the fact that he is ready to cooperate even with the devil, if only there is a gas pipe, and no matter what the cost! We were convinced of this after the Kursk, for the death of which we paid ... They have the main principle, very commonplace - money does not smell! And money is needed at any cost, because you need to steal, and at the same time create minimal conditions for the existence of the population of your country, so that it does not go to the barricades, so the Janissaries will kiss in all places, just to stretch the pipe. At the same time, they do not understand that choosing Turkey as a gas transit country is much more dangerous and worse than Ukraine. With her it was still possible to "resolve" issues (in the future). With the Janissary - no! I remember well 1995, and the Turkish documents of the 200s in the Chechen Republic - there are Turkish not only "ears", there were horns sticking out! We'll still have our fill of this "friendship"!

[WOLF330]

[/ quote] That's precisely for this reason they will never be good with them. They already have hatred of Russia at the genetic level, for several centuries!

Hehe ... all Russians talk about it on Turkish beaches, who are afraid of leaving money at home, and on the Turkish coast EVERYTHING is left unattended!

therefore, they will kiss the Janissaries in all places, if only

The Janissaries are not Turks by birth, they were Christian children who were brought up in the Turkish army, so kiss boldly!

choosing Turkey as a gas transit country is much more dangerous and worse than Ukraine. With her it was still possible to "resolve" issues (in the future). With the Janissary - no! I remember well 1995, and the Turkish documents of the 200s in the Chechen Republic - there are Turkish not only "ears", there the horns were sticking out! [Quote]

Smart men in Russia don’t think so (you’re not one of them, that’s obvious), but at the expense of the Chechen Republic you are bent, the more often you recall the Czech Republic, the more you will embarrass yourself. Do you want to remind about Wagnerites or about ichtamnets?

[ROBIN-SON]

I've been working with Turks and Bulgarians. I will say that I liked the former more than the latter. The Turks are working, with respect to others, their businessmen wanted to work with the Russians, they did not like Europe. Bulgarians, after the collapse of the USSR flew off coils, especially young ones. Like if it were not for Russia, we would live in Europe. And now, and people who lived in the Soviet period, repainted. I judge one by one my friend.
Everything is dictated by ideology and power.

[Nestorych]

Turkey has been, is and will be our adversary! All these advances are the result of the country's managerial degradation.

[Disorder]

It is no secret to anyone that the attempt to establish any constructive and mutually beneficial relations with the Turkish side will end with enviable regularity for Moscow not only by completely destroying the illusions that Ankara is our main strategic partner in the Near Asian region, but also much more significant and painful blows of a military-political and operational-strategic nature.

Turkey has been and remains a strategic partner. It is possible and necessary to establish constructive and mutually beneficial relations with her. Each of the partners has their own interests, sometimes diametrically opposite, but this does not mean that they do not need to lead to a certain consensus.
PS So it seems: on some Military Review local Eugene Damanceff writes an article about insidious Turkey, regularly sticking a knife into the back of the United States.

[Radical]

Quote: KURT330

It is precisely for this reason that they will never be good with them. They already have hatred of Russia at the genetic level, for several centuries!

Hehe ... all Russians talk about it on Turkish beaches, who are afraid of leaving money at home, and on the Turkish coast EVERYTHING is left unattended!

therefore, they will kiss the Janissaries in all places, if only

The Janissaries are not Turks by birth, they were Christian children who were brought up in the Turkish army, so kiss boldly!

choosing Turkey as a transit country for gas is much more dangerous and worse than Ukraine. With her it was still possible to "resolve" issues (in the future). With the Janissary - no! I remember well 1995, and the Turkish documents of the 200s in the Chechen Republic - there are Turkish not only "ears", there were horns sticking out!

Smart men in Russia don’t think so (you’re not one of them, that’s obvious), but at the expense of the Chechen Republic you are bent, the more often you recall the Czech Republic, the more you will embarrass yourself. Do you want to remind about Wagnerites or about ichtamnets?

Are you smart men? I congratulate you, you are a very modest person! What to remember is not for you to judge! About the position - let's each stay in his own position! And if you wish in more detail, and in detail - pliz in a personal, so as not to hammer the "broadcast" on the site!

[iouris]

Only politicians with reduced social responsibility provide services, and then expect gratitude for these services.

[Prahlad]

They will not play any role there. They just beat and that’s all, money down the drain.

[Kalkan]

it turns out there are still people who think that any country is obliged to politically take the position of one of the most powerful countries and pursue the interests of this state, instead of their own ... Turkey clearly does not like this logic and is not going to detriment to adapt to the interests of any country their ... They are purposefully pursuing their policies. And if you carefully monitor the internal events in Turkey and their reasons, trying to maintain a neutral position towards this state, then their policy becomes very predictable, without any stabs in the back ...

[WOLF330]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: KURT330

It is precisely for this reason that they will never be good with them. They already have hatred of Russia at the genetic level, for several centuries!

Hehe ... all Russians talk about it on Turkish beaches, who are afraid of leaving money at home, and on the Turkish coast EVERYTHING is left unattended!

therefore, they will kiss the Janissaries in all places, if only

The Janissaries are not Turks by birth, they were Christian children who were brought up in the Turkish army, so kiss boldly!

choosing Turkey as a transit country for gas is much more dangerous and worse than Ukraine. With her it was still possible to "resolve" issues (in the future). With the Janissary - no! I remember well 1995, and the Turkish documents of the 200s in the Chechen Republic - there are Turkish not only "ears", there were horns sticking out!

Smart men in Russia don’t think so (you’re not one of them, that’s obvious), but at the expense of the Chechen Republic you are bent, the more often you recall the Czech Republic, the more you will embarrass yourself. Do you want to remind about Wagnerites or about ichtamnets?

Are you smart men? I congratulate you, you are a very modest person! What to remember is not for you to judge! About the position - let's each stay in his own position! And if you wish in more detail, and in detail - pliz in a personal, so as not to hammer the "broadcast" on the site!

Not us .. And Russia does not need ours. At the expense of modesty, you flatter me .. I do not like abusive communication and in PM I have nothing to do with you as well as nothing in common. Got something to say? Let's have a prelude. I think it hasn’t reached the chicks yet. But who to judge, so it is not for me. You behave like a judge and conduct. But we should reason, not judge. He judges only!

[whitesnow]

From ,, Ukraine announced the beginning of preparations for signing a contract for the acquisition of UAVs "to the acquisition of UAVs is about the same distance as from Kiev to Istanbul with cancer. Send the product" Avtobaza-M "to the air defense of the Southern Military District much faster. And from Taganrog "Avtobaza-M" and Donetsk and Lugansk regions will be covered with an umbrella.

[Kostadinov]

1. In the Great Patriotic Turkey, it fulfilled its obligations quite correctly as a non-neutral state. Did not let the Axis warships pass through the straits. Otherwise, Italian ships could enter the Black Sea and then in 1941-43 in the south it could be a bit worse. Turkey did not attack the USSR when the Wehrmacht attacked in the Caucasus in 1942. With Turkey, Turkey always defended its interest. The victory of Germany for Turkey is even worse than the victory of the Allies. The Turks did not have any chance to get among the governesses and the untimers in the Nazi world expected them. But the most dangerous for Turkey is the union of Germany and the USSR. Turkey was very lucky then.
2. Leaving the past alone, Russia is now a great nuclear force on the Turkish border and supplies Turkey with gas. Going into conflict with Russia is the height of insanity for Turkey, but at the same time turning into a satellite of Russia does not meet its interests either. As a weaker state, it is looking for a place in the sun using, as always, the conflict of interests of Russia, the USA and the EU.

[iouris]

Quote: Kostadinov

Turkey fulfilled quite correctly its obligations as a non-neutral state.

Turkey remained neutral only because the Germans could not force the Volga. In addition, the Turkish government was afraid that even a dead Russia (USSR) would crush Turkey. Now the situation is different, so Turkey is a joker.

[Cop]

..... First of all, it is the interception by the Igla MANPADS operator from the Tahrir al-Sham shields of the Idlib militants of our Su-25SM on February 3, 2018, whose catapulted pilot (Major Roman Filipov) heroically died in an unequal battle with pro-Turkish -nusrovtsy ......

Mr.Damantsev, how did you get information that sou Was Roman Filipov shot down from Igla MANPADS? After this tragedy, messages appeared, Roman Filipov flew on the Su-25SM3. But they put on them the electronic warfare system "Vitebsk 25". Why didn’t it work in this case? YouTube is full of videos, for example here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPTdBaAzK-Q, which clearly show how the "Muslims" shoot at our helicopters from our own MANPADS, and their missiles explode before reaching the helicopters. So I think that something else was used, for example FIM-92. Would you clarify this situation ......

[Yarhann]

And who is this govnovbros intended for. Do you seriously think that this wunderwafer will change anything? Particularly impressive is its bomb load. Guys wake up no one will use it as a drummer - a very golden machine - this UAV is exclusively for reconnaissance. And it is clearly cheaper than Israeli Girona.
The bomb load of 50 kg is five))). All these purchases are carried out with one goal of kickbacks for the military budget, because American strategic intelligence agents regularly fly over the Donbass, which are many times faster and faster.
About the analytics of bombing - ryanul)))) you are serious. It’s easier to roll the Beech and bring down the carrier than to engage in such nonsense.

[Likant]

Quote: samarin1969

Quote: Xazarin

I try to the best of my ability to analyze the situation, and it turns out that Erdogan’s trump card is more

Erdogan has just "solitaire" - transit routes, support for the Majlis in Crimea, ...

Well, my wife is a Crimean Tatar, and communicating with her relatives I know that the Mejlis pursues its own interests, and if the territory of these Tatars is in danger, they will calmly send Turkey far and for a long time! Procropny's head (forgot his name, well, to hell with him) was "sent" to Odessa, he was waving his fists from there! .. Although I have not heard about him for a long time ...

[Likant]

Quote: Mikhail Zubkov

The ukronatsiks and neobandera are primordial enemies, and the nearer ukroletuns of the Soviet school are even more traitorous and enemies of the people, and they must be punished accordingly FIRST. For the bombing of Lugansk and Donetsk have not yet been answered!

And they are unlikely to answer! Petya will be removed, Yulia will be imprisoned, and there, if in the future the conflict is settled, it will be like "Wedding in Malinovka": "The power is changing again!" And Russia, as always: "peace, friendship, gum!" And only the Donbass people themselves, having crossed with such "culprits" at any point on the map, will calmly eliminate every responsible person in a year, 10 years, and 50! ... This mechanism is launched and sits deep in everyone, be it a militia or a refugee. Every 10 Donbass citizen will do it without looking at responsibility in the country where he crosses over with such a culprit! So every participant in the attack on Donbass now lives constantly in fear, and fear the coming of peace, since this revenge has no statute of limitations! Donbass will no longer be able to become part of Ukraine - this is an axiom!

[Radical]

Quote: KURT330

Quote: Radikal

Quote: KURT330

It is precisely for this reason that they will never be good with them. They already have hatred of Russia at the genetic level, for several centuries!

Hehe ... all Russians talk about it on Turkish beaches, who are afraid of leaving money at home, and on the Turkish coast EVERYTHING is left unattended!

therefore, they will kiss the Janissaries in all places, if only

The Janissaries are not Turks by birth, they were Christian children who were brought up in the Turkish army, so kiss boldly!

choosing Turkey as a transit country for gas is much more dangerous and worse than Ukraine. With her it was still possible to "resolve" issues (in the future). With the Janissary - no! I remember well 1995, and the Turkish documents of the 200s in the Chechen Republic - there are Turkish not only "ears", there were horns sticking out!

Smart men in Russia don’t think so (you’re not one of them, that’s obvious), but at the expense of the Chechen Republic you are bent, the more often you recall the Czech Republic, the more you will embarrass yourself. Do you want to remind about Wagnerites or about ichtamnets?

Are you smart men? I congratulate you, you are a very modest person! What to remember is not for you to judge! About the position - let's each stay in his own position! And if you wish in more detail, and in detail - pliz in a personal, so as not to hammer the "broadcast" on the site!

Not us .. And Russia does not need ours. At the expense of modesty, you flatter me .. I do not like abusive communication and in PM I have nothing to do with you as well as nothing in common. Got something to say? Let's have a prelude. I think it hasn’t reached the chicks yet. But who to judge, so it is not for me. You behave like a judge and conduct. But we should reason, not judge. He judges only!

And everything is said! Understand the porridge in your head!

[dirk182]

It was necessary to deliver the S-400 not to Turkey, but to Iran

[riwas]

Turkish Stream: who will keep who on a leash?

[anten]

Who needs gas more: the seller or the buyer. The seller can sell to someone else and the buyer can buy elsewhere.

[akarfoxhound]

Zhenya Damantsev in articles in his repertoire... Turks, of course, are rare radishes of gay orientation, but, comrade Evgeniy, besides the Internet figures, you should at least once communicate with real pilots! Well, what the hell is the detection of missile plumes by the Su-24 heat direction finder??? I didn’t even bother to finish reading the rest of the nonsense with the rubbish of numbers, first I guessed about Aftara’s last name, I scrolled down - Bingo!!! Eugene!!! Take a machine gun in your hands, join the real army, Kutuzov, you are our digitizer

[EvilLion]

This schizophrenia again. A certain Damantsev teaches the Russian Foreign Ministry to do their job. Yes, no one considers Turkey a friend; there is no such concept in geopolitics. There is a situational ally to whom you can simultaneously sell weapons, receiving a good income, and then keep him from doing stupid things with complete control over the supply of spare parts, without which such complex systems as air defense systems quickly become unusable.

[nikvic46]

My personal opinion: Turkey has settled down well. There are strike forces, and now there is also an “umbrella” from Russia. And at the same time, it is a member of the NATO bloc.

[Campanella]

Not to be friends, but to use the emerging opportunities to strengthen yourself or maintain the status quo. This is normal. The question of strategy is whether we have it. I forgot something, what are we building in Russia?....

[Fonmeg]

The black result of the short-sightedness of our leadership will soon backfire on us!

[russia2016]

Turkey is our great “friend”, history has proven this to us more than once, and as is well known, it has the unpleasant feature of repeating itself, so we need to be on guard all the time.

[Dave36]

Vova is so afraid of the Sultan’s mercy that he will soon offer him concubines... Wow, S400 for candy wrappers... this means that the Turks will simply throw away these systems as unnecessary when the time comes... hmm..

[anten]

Zhenya, it seems that everything you reported in such technical detail is correct. But, I assume that our military has already calculated this, since selling weapons is not prohibited, as, for example, the Russian Federation sells to Azerbaijan in defiance of Armenia. And suppressing these UAVs flying from Ukraine is a pleasure for our military. So write, tell our Ministry of Defense in more detail how to act.

[Dmitriy66]

I went to dig a trench for my family and myself, I don’t know how to react to Damantsev’s articles.

[wax]

If Belarus sends fuel to Ukraine (and so do we), then what questions could there be for Turkey?

[AleBors]

So what? Let's gurgle, express concern... And that's it. Business and nothing personal...

[bratchanin3]

What kind of gratitude can we talk about and expect from a NATO member country? What is the author talking about? You just need to simply destroy them on the nearest approaches or learn to plant them on your territory, as Iran does, so that you will be sorry for the money to buy these drones. Why not organize a school for destroying UAVs and advertise it well?!

[Lynx33]

It is better to organize a school to destroy fascism, especially Ukrainian.

[bald]

WAS AND WILL BE...

[Red_Baron]

Quote: shahor

receive in return, for example, palm oil - as in the deal with Malaysia.

Only support.
I’ll add a little, we will still have deals that are partially unprofitable, or not the most equivalent. Nowadays there is very tough competition in the arms market. Moreover, some of our competitors, such as the United States, supply weapons with very large preferences, even free of charge, or rather without any visible material benefit. On the one hand, to conquer markets, and on the other, to get people hooked on their products. After all, the purchase of weapons very often implies the operation of this particular type, for uniform maintenance, the purchase of ammunition, equipping workshops, and training personnel. The purchase may even put an end to local production or development. Which makes you even more addicted to the supplier.
So we will have to make, if not such measures, then still big concessions.
I almost forgot, because in addition to trade and economic components, suppliers also use political ones.
And just like that, you read people with reduced social responsibility and mental activity in the comments and you find out - we don’t need bases and presence in different regions and we don’t need anything at all. Well, why are there only fools in the government, how do they know how to do it :)

[Lynx33]

Commentators of this article, have you forgotten that an economic war is currently being waged against Russia? And Russia’s enmity with Turkey is another victory for the West against Russia. But Ukraine will still find somewhere to buy weapons.

[Zarin]

Here are the Turks! Well, you have to. How can they do this? For example, we sell weapons worth 16 billion dollars a year. But we sell to good people, for good causes. And they sell to anyone. Just to sell it.