Hallstattats are Europeans of the Iron Age. Ancient graves tell (part 1)

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In a number of previous materials, we talked about how iron "came to Europe" and focused on Hallstatt culture that existed in Central Europe, as well as in the Balkans, from about 900 to 400 BC, before the culture of the fields funerary urns. It is known that the main people belonging to this culture were the Celts, and in the Balkans - the Thracians and Illyrians.


A typical sword of Hallstatt culture with a characteristic top with curls-volutes. (Archaeological Museum, Krakow)



Your name, as is often the case with historical monuments, this culture was received by chance. Just near the city of Hallstatt in northwestern Austria, where rock salt was mined from time immemorial, in 1846 an ancient burial ground was found. Moreover, he was discovered by the ordinary miner Johann Ramsauer, and he (that's how it happens!) In 1846-1864. He was the first to research and describe the artifacts found here. Archeology at that time was akin to treasure hunting and science, in fact, was not yet. However, Ramsauer, apparently, was prone to systematics, so he did not just dig it out, but also described the objects found and their location in the burials. Reports of the findings aroused interest, so the excavation of the cemetery continued even later, so that by the end of the 2th century, about XNUMX thousand burials were investigated, containing both corpse and corpse burials. The volume of finds was such that it allowed to highlight their characteristic features. And it became clear that a previously unknown ancient culture was discovered!


Reconstruction of the Hallstatt burial in the mound. (National Museum, Nuremberg)

Later, in other places, burials with similar objects were found, which allowed the Swedish cultural historian Hans Hildebrand to introduce into scientific use such a term as the “Hallstatt group”. Then the German archaeologist Paul Reinecke began to use the term "Hallstatt time." Finally, the term “Hallstatt culture” was proposed by Austrian archeologist Moritz Gernes in the year 1905. Since that time, this name has become used and exists in scientific practice today.


Artifacts Hallstatt culture. (Museum of Archeology George Garrett, Vesoul, Haute-Saon, Franche-Comte, Burgundy, France)

But there is still no single periodization in the Hallstatt culture. The same Paul Reinecke still in 1902 year divided it into four periods, giving them letters by letters of the alphabet: A, B, C, D. However, the first two periods, that is, Hallstatt A (1200 – 1100 years BC) and Hallstatt B (1100 – 800 BC) are now attributed to the late Bronze Age, and not to the Hallstatt time per se. French historians have offered their own version of periodization: C - early Hallstatt, D1 and D2 - medium and D3 - late. From about 480 BC. er (the year of the Marathon Battle in Greece) the Laten Era has already begun, which replaced the Hallstatt.

And if the Hallstatt culture was predominantly Celto-Illyrian, the Latent culture united Celts, Dacians and Thracians, and the Celto-Illyrian community now occupied a relatively small area in Italy. The main territories where Hallstatt culture was spread were Lower Austria, Slovenia, regions of northern Croatia, and also partly the Czech Republic and Slovakia - that is, lands inhabited by the tribes of ancient Illyrians. In Western Austria, in the south of Germany, in northern Switzerland, in a number of areas (mostly western) of France, the Celts settled. In addition, the settlements of Hallstattés existed in Italy in the eastern region of the Po Valley, in Hungary, and even here and there in Western Ukraine.

Hallstatt masters produced products not only for intra-tribal needs, but also for sale, and they are found quite far from the place of manufacture, for example, they were found in the Baltic States. Interesting novelties such as horse bronze bits and harnesses, pendants decorated with ornaments, swords and daggers with antenna top handles are associated with the Hallstattzas. Moreover, the very first iron objects found in the Baltic States (they were found in the burials found in Pomerania, East Prussia and in Western Lithuania) got there through the tribes belonging to the Lusatian culture and, consequently, the Hallstatts traded with them, and those in turn resell their products further east. Back Galtstatts received a "sun stone" - amber, which themselves, apparently, did not mine, but received from the tribes who lived on the shores of the Baltic Sea.


Hallstatt ceramics, approx. 800-550 BC. (Museum of Western Bohemia (West Bohemian Museum), Pilsen)

The study of Hallstatt culture was greatly helped by the fact that in the areas of its distribution there were many salt mines. They had a specific microclimate with a preservative effect. Therefore, in them, up to the present, as well as in the Danish peatlands, corpses, their clothes, and leather goods, not to mention wood, have survived. All this allowed us to confidently date certain finds of the Hallstatt era.

It is noted that the transition from bronze metallurgy to iron in the area of ​​distribution of the Hallstatt culture was carried out gradually, so that in 900 — 700. BC. er Bronze and iron tools got along well with each other, and the bronze tools numerically prevailed over the iron ones. The land was cultivated with the help of a plow, and it was here that the iron plow showed its advantage over the bronze one.


Layout Hallstatt farm. (Goibodenmuseum in Straubing (Lower Bavaria))

The most common type of settlement was a fortified village, but fortified mainly by a log fence, which, however, had a proper layout of streets. Nearby were salt mines and copper mines. In the villages or close to them were located iron-smelting workshops and forges.

Hallstattats are Europeans of the Iron Age. Ancient graves tell (part 1)

The Bronze Chariot of Stretweg is one of the most famous artifacts of Hallstatt culture. Exhibited in the castle Eggenberg in Graz, and its exact copy adorns the Museum of the city of Judenburg.

As for the topic weapons - which traditionally interests visitors to the VO website, then the Hallstatts have said their word here too. In their burials they find long bronze and iron swords, that is, the weapons of individual fighters, since such swords require a large swing and it is difficult to fight with them in close formation. The most important thing is that the swords of the Hallstattans had a characteristic handle that made them easily recognizable. First of all, the Hallstatt swords had pommel on the arms in the form of a “hat” or an inverted bell.


Hallstatt iron sword with a bell-shaped bronze pommel and hilt. (Museum of Natural History, Vienna)


The handle of the Hallstatt sword. (Museum of Natural History, Vienna)


A replica of the Hallstatt sword in the exposition of the Neanderthal Museum in the Neanderthal Valley (Germany), the administrative district of Dusseldorf.

Another form of the pommel was an arc with "whiskers," coiled upward. This is the so-called “antenna top”, which is typical for Hallstattz. The same top tips often decorated their daggers. Axes, knives, and also iron and bronze tips of spears are found in the graves. Helmets were also bronze, conical in shape, but with wide flat fields, either hemispherical and with crests reinforcing their domed part. The shells were made from individual bronze plates, which were traditionally sewn onto the skin, but the Celts also used double-sided forged muscular-type cuirass.


Two-ridge helmet from the Archaeological Museum in Graz, Austria.

Among the finds in the burial grounds there are various forms of bronze ware, original buckles, brooches, hand-made ceramics, and necklaces made of opaque colored glass. Everything suggests that the art of the tribes of Hallstatt culture had an applied character, was ornamental and indulged in luxury. At the same time, they did not spare bronze, gold, glass, and bones for the departed; fibulae representing animals, golden neck hryvnias, belt bronze plaques with patterns carved on them are found in them. The dishes were distinguished by their bright murals of yellow and red paints, with multicolored geometric ornaments. Interestingly, the Hallstatts knew and used a potter's wheel. But not always! Often they sculpted vessels by hand and their quality did not make them worse.


Dagger with antenna top of the hands of Hallstatt culture. Museum Zemka Linz in Lower Austria).

They also had the imaginative art associated with the materialization of spiritual images: these were tomb steles, small figurines made of clay and bronze (for example, with images of people, horses, etc.), and even complex bronze compositions like the “chariot of Stretweg” with scene of sacrifice. A popular type of jewelery on pottery, belts and siduels (bronze truncated-conical buckets) was stamped or chased friezes, which depicted scenes from life: feasts, feasts, marching warriors, scenes of war, hunting and religious holidays.


Reconstruction of the cart Hallstatt time. (National Museum, Nuremberg)

Interestingly, with the commonality of the Hallstatt culture in certain areas of its distribution, there are some forms of burial. For example, sometimes the dead were buried in carts, or houses were built for them from stones, over which barrows were poured. By the way, all the burials speak of significant social stratification. Someone was buried under a mound along with a wagon, silver situles and gold brooches, and someone in a hole with one pot in my legs!

To be continued ...
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  1. +2
    5 December 2018 05: 33
    Pictures are traditionally good. But a phrase from a modern art book stubbornly creeps into my head: "Cinnamon flowers, plum scent": "When you don't know what it is, write the top."
    1. +3
      5 December 2018 05: 57
      God be with them, with tops. There would be more pictures, a map could be attached ... Visualization is never superfluous!
    2. +2
      5 December 2018 20: 41
      Well, in my presence, old archaeologists advised me to use the expression "a cult object."
  2. +6
    5 December 2018 07: 48
    Awesome Europeans. How much we have now learned about them, super!
  3. +4
    5 December 2018 08: 35
    These curls developed on the hilt of the sword, in my opinion, should interfere greatly with fencing.
    1. +1
      5 December 2018 08: 42
      In general, I have a strange feeling - that they somehow look alien.
    2. IGU
      +1
      5 December 2018 13: 25
      Quote: Flavus
      These curls developed on the hilt of the sword, in my opinion, should interfere greatly with fencing.
      Most likely no one fenced them. The proportions of the ritual sword.
    3. +2
      5 December 2018 14: 00
      Quote: Flavus
      should interfere greatly when fencing.

      And fencing (sword against sword) in ancient times was only in Mycenae ("Mycenaean rapiers") and in China. And in Central Europe, it arose that way 20 centuries later, during the early Renaissance: the sword was used only in tandem with a shield, no fencing delights - only the felling (the Romans had a prick)!
      1. +2
        5 December 2018 15: 15
        It seems to me that this canoe limits the mobility of the hand - it rests on the forearm. It interferes with maneuver with the sword, which is bad anyway.
  4. +2
    5 December 2018 09: 06
    Good article. A little more history here - who, when, how, with whom ...
  5. BAI
    0
    5 December 2018 13: 52
    1.
    Two-ridge helmet from the Archaeological Museum in Graz, Austria.

    Something he suspiciously well preserved compared to swords.
    2.
    "The Bronze Chariot of Stretweg"

    It seems that there were 2 different people. The dimensions of the chariot and the central lady are comparable, and the main number of figures is midgets, relative to the central figure.
    1. +2
      5 December 2018 15: 20
      Quote: BAI
      Something he suspiciously well preserved compared to swords.

      For bronze. The bronze hilt of the sword and dagger is also perfectly preserved.
  6. +5
    5 December 2018 13: 56
    It is known that the Celts were the main people belonging to this culture, and the Thracians and Illyrians in the Balkans.

    Moreover, there is even a division into "Celtic Hallstatt", "Thracian Hallstatt" ... In my opinion, this is clear evidence that culture was brought in from outside (during the migration of the Veneti). Significantly:

    Back, the Galtstatians received “sun stone” - amber, which they themselves apparently did not get, but received from tribes that lived along the shores of the Baltic Sea.

    There was a demand for amber throughout Eurasia - Baltic amber is found even in the burials of Altai and India. The largest market is the Middle East, and the river routes "from the Varangians to the Greeks" and "from the Varangians to the Persians" functioned well for many millennia. And here you go: "The Great Amber Route" went from the Baltic to the North Adriatic, and with large land sections (which is much more expensive than transportation by rivers). But if we take into account that the path went from the Baltic Veneti (the Lusatian culture, which clearly came) to the Veneti of the Adriatic (the Este culture), it becomes clear that the ties between these colonies were actively maintained! But the connections of the Baltic Veneti with the third large colony (Armorican, Vendee) were maintained by sea - Caesar wrote about the huge fleet of the Veneti of Armorica.

    as well as partially the Czech Republic and Slovakia - that is, the lands inhabited by the tribes of the ancient Illyrians.

    Vyacheslav Olegovich, the Illyrians were hardly there already: the Czech Republic was the ancestral home of the Celts (their expansion began from there), and in Slovakia, the EMNIP, there were Trera, the most northern of the Thracians (and, as it were, not the only Thracians who entered into an alliance with the Cimmerians).

    This is the so-called "antenna top", which is characteristic of Hallstatt people. The same pommel often adorned their daggers.

    EMNIP, it is also often found on Scythian akinaki

    Celts also used double-sided forged cuirasses of the "muscle type".

    Precisely forged? Such cuirasses were more often cast (moreover, casting was probably carried out in a red-hot form, otherwise the casting would be all in holes)

    A replica of the Hallstatt sword in the exposition of the Neanderthal Museum in the Neanderthal Valley

    Neanderthals did cool things (a joke, if someone did not understand laughing )
  7. +3
    5 December 2018 14: 23
    Thanks again to the author - beautiful and interesting!
    Reconstruction of the Hallstatt burial in the mound.

    Only now came up with the idea that this burial is very similar to the domed tombs of the Mycenaean civilization - directly one to one, only here from the earth basically, and there was used more stone.
  8. 0
    5 December 2018 15: 53
    Quote: Tutejszy
    on Scythian akinaki it is also often found

    There are usually two heads of predators more often than birds, towards each other ... This is a little different ...
  9. +1
    5 December 2018 16: 23
    I believe! Here I do not descend from this place - I believe!
    To the Hallstadtians!
    This is precisely the part of the population with which European civilization went and went.
    True, as usual, it doesn’t give me rest one thing - namely, exceptionally perfect forms, that with the hilt of swords with tops (it seems the Fehtbukes were started by the Hallstadts to write about the direct and reverse blow with the sword, only then, for some reason, their Fehtbuki before 17- 18 centuries stored somewhere to give out for the German) that WHEELS with spokes on a bronze figurine!
    Is this, seriously, or something, venerable scientists believe that the Hallstadts made wheels with spokes for their wagons? How much then did this cart cost? In Asia and Africa there are still wheels on carts of solid boards, and here ......
    Practicing sword handles, mastering the manufacture of a bronze model of a cart - well, I can’t convince myself that this was all done at the beginning of time. This is much more reminiscent of the Renaissance, and even in general the 17-18 century.
    As well as a two-ribbed helmet. This is, in its pure form, the initial chapel, or preMORION. Some master wanted to slightly change the shape of the morion or to improve the cappuccino - so he produced such a perfect model. Did you evaluate the manufacturing level? The number of rivet holes and the location of these holes? Helmet surface shape, flatness of fields? And all this was done 3,5 thousand years ago? Ms. vu, not otherwise.
    In general, I expressed my opinion. Now I expect that a mass of "true Aryans" will come running in the form of historians (more precisely, defenders of historians) - and will explain to me that the people of Hallstadt are such special comrades who did things that never even occurred to anyone 35 centuries ago. And it came only to the Germans and the Spaniards, in the 15th century. Ad.
    1. +2
      5 December 2018 18: 14
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      I believe! Here I do not descend from this place - I believe!

      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      35 never crossed anyone's mind ages ago.

      Funny. I can kind of share with you such a surprise. But only in part.
      Let's face it.
      To begin with, we will clarify the dating of the Hallstatt culture.
      In the article:
      Even in 1902, Paul Reinecke divided it into four periods, giving them letters of the alphabet: A, B, C, D. However, the first two periods, i.e. Hallstatt A (1200 – 1100 BC) and Hallstatt In (1100 – 800 BC) today it is customary to refer to the era of the Late Bronze Age, and not to the Hallstatt time per se. French historians have offered their own version of periodization: C - early Hallstatt, D1 and D2 - medium and D3 - late. From about 480 BC. er (the year of the Marathon Battle in Greece) the Laten Era has already begun, which replaced the Hallstatt.

      That is, the beginning of the culture is not earlier than 800 BC. In general, not so long ago, culture is a contemporary, for example, of a late period in ancient Egypt.
      Let's take the work "Archeology of Western Europe. Bronze and Iron Ages" by A.L. Mongait. We see:
      The period during which they were buried in the Hallstatt cemetery is approximately equal to 350 years (750 — 400 years BC)

      The difference is 50 years. Irrelevant.
      Now let's think, did anyone tell us that the artifacts presented in the article were created precisely at the beginning of the Hallstatt era? No, it seems. So the origin of these artifacts can be tentatively dated, without fear of being mistaken "no later than the end of the XNUMXth century BC, that is, not thirty-five, but twenty-five centuries ago.
      Let's mentally fast forward to the end of the 150th century. BC. and look around. What will we see? And we will see the Achaemenid state a hundred years after the death of Cyrus the Great, the Greek city-states on the Balkan Peninsula, with a developed culture, crafts and art, the Ancient Roman Republic (yes, they have already survived the "royal period" of their history), waging numerous wars for hegemony in the Apennines, Carthage, we will also see. In the Black Sea expanses, the Scythians are in full spirits, casting their golden scallops and pouring Cyclopean burial mounds. In XNUMX years Alexander the Great will be born, Epaminondas has already been born.
      Now, like inquisitive researchers, we will try to imagine the material culture of these state formations - armor, weapons, ceramics, objects of art ... It’s impossible to imagine - Google to help ... So, look, look ... Oh! And it turns out that the achievements of Hallstatt culture are not so unique, in some places then it was even cooler, for example, in Egypt or Persia ...
      Yes, it turns out today we have not made a scientific discovery again. Boring science is history, it is necessary to study it. No, to - once! - and the discovery, recognition, medal in all ass and life-long pension by the warm sea ...
      Well, okay, next time we'll try.
      1. +1
        5 December 2018 20: 40
        Of course, of course, we will see both the power of the Achaemenids and the Greek policies, and the kingdom of the Mauryas, and the empire of Ethiopia with the emperor Queen of Sheba. And all these powers and so on are the fragments of the brilliant Atlantis ... or some other nonsense.
        Michael, isn’t it funny yourself?
        Last time, during the discussion, you showed a subtle knowledge of the subject - Fiction story. In particular, they went through chronology unmistakably.
        Let us now, instead of overflowing from empty to empty in part - who is the coolest inventor - Herodotus, Thucydides or say Tacitus - we find at least one more or less intelligible HISTORY that tells us about commodity-money relations. In those ancient times, in a distant galaxy.
        Can you cite some financial economist HISTORY?
        Now, having banks, futures and other pro-Indian mechanics, we are constantly looking for funds for one or the other. Not enough, panimash.
        And in times of subsistence farming - was there even an excess of finance? To contain the brilliant armies of Cyrus, Darius, Ramses the Great, who could afford to lose an army in the steppes of the Black Sea region, and then, without even brushing it off, start all over again. With a new, even more formidable army to go smash the next, the same formidable rivals?
        Where did the money come from, Zin?
        About slavery, let's not talk. From the word - in general. For such a slavery, as I mean - a slave in the sweat of his face tirelessly creates surplus value - and does not ask for a meal ..... never has been. Otherwise, the States would still be a slave republic.
        At some overseers go broke. For they, sabaki, can conspire, and even decide the owner.
        What could they sell for such, for example, the lousy mountain villages of Sparta and Athena with Thebes, and most importantly - with KEM - if the pirates of Crete dominated the sea, and on land the village would have plundered a caravan of four (for example) donkeys with nobody the olives and grapes needed here.
        Where did they get the money from? Or did each aul have its own mining and metal-smelting-foundry-forging industry? Our Caucasian villages lived in robbery, raids, banditry - from poverty.
        What could the kingdoms of the Persians, Egyptians and other super-duper peoples do well on? On oats and millet?
        And then, suddenly, in the early Middle Ages, a bandit-feudal lord, with difficulty, barely scraped together a couple of dozen frostbitten idiots - to rob a neighboring bandit. Why did he not remember, but did not apply the skills and mechanisms of brilliant civilizations, which he himself destroyed, like the Goths and Vandals - Rome? Or has everyone completely worn out? And what to feed your "torpedoes" with?
        No, in general, a good analysis of the economy of the ancient world - and will not be. There is nothing to invent. And what we see now - in the same Afghanistan, Africa and Indians - does not fit into "a beautiful story about brilliant antiquity."
        There is no worthwhile economy — there is no state, no troops, no history. There is one fantasy.
        1. +1
          5 December 2018 22: 29
          It is clear that you do not know anything about Cato and Varron ... And there were Cicero, Suterna and Columella ... Very good economists of their time!
        2. -1
          5 December 2018 22: 43
          And, as usual, Mikhail - only his own auscularia, building.
          Not a word of answer to my questions.
          Well, you can’t do that, in fact. I ask questions - they load me, in response, with my own fabrications - NOT IN THE SMALLEST DEGREE, not related to my questions.
          Or are all IST (O) ERICA like that?
          1. +3
            5 December 2018 23: 45
            Quote: Bashibuzuk
            I ask questions

            Be kind enough to articulate them more clearly. In your message, I found two of them - about the number of rivets and the quality of the helmet and about the cart - its cost and spokes on wheels. Is there something to answer? laughing
            Next.
            For some reason, all of Novokronozh people love to demand. Will invent some nonsense and demand that it be denied to them. Disproved - make up a new one with the same ease. Having talked with such figures, including on this resource, I gave up on this nonsense and now I say this: you say - prove it. Mark sources - prove that it is fake, show research, linguistic analysis of the text, for example, reject the authenticity of the artifact - prove, for example, radiocarbon analysis of materials will help with dating. Explain why a cultural layer cannot serve as a method of approximate dating, and dendrochronology cannot be exact. Formulate your hypotheses. From your words it is completely incomprehensible: was not Cyrus? Was, but not Cyrus? Was but not quite Cyrus?
            Quote: Bashibuzuk
            Can you cite some financial economist HISTORY?

            Me not. Antiquity has never been the subject of my keen interest. But if you need it, look for it yourself, no one will "bring" you someone. And only after in the course of your searches you turn over everything that you can reach, and not a couple of pages in Fomenko's book, and do not find what you were looking for, turn to people with the question "where?" Most likely, they will tell you where, but then again it will be up to you. Vyacheslav Olegovich wrote you three names, two of them are not familiar to me personally. Dare, study, and then you will tell us and I will be the first to applaud you. After checking the stated information, of course.
            First, try to study some auxiliary historical discipline. It's called chronology. Just chronology, not new. Within the framework of this discipline, many problematic issues are discussed (and there are many of them), including the dating of some events. But they are discussed from a purely scientific point of view, each statement can be verified by other sources, including links to research by physicists, chemists, astronomers, paleobotanists, climatologists, etc. Check it out - you are welcome, your opinion will be interesting to hear.
            For now, excuse me ... not interesting, in any case, to me, because I have heard everything that you have deigned to state here, I have heard it repeatedly, often with the same words, repeatedly denied what I heard, after which I listened to a new portion of the same one, previously heard rubbish. You know, it's boring. So in terms of reasoned refutations or enlightenment of the misguided, you can not count on me. But in terms of giggling over the poor - always please contact.
            hi
            1. 0
              6 December 2018 07: 59
              It’s good that there is a person who simply names, names.
              Here's about the Southern and Columella, I also hear for the first time, look.
              Mikhail, with such narcissism (you are a psychiatrist, aren't you) really listening to you is not interesting.
              You are a good connoisseur of fantasy, are well-versed in the dates of the annals, you know the entire pantheon of chroniclers. Ignorance and the date of creation of the Ring of omnipotence will name.
              It is not interesting to you because you require evidence of a new chronology (about which I, in general, do not mention) - within the framework of the existing paradigm.
              Nonsense.
              Finish on this.
        3. +2
          6 December 2018 11: 12
          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          we find at least one more or less intelligible HISTORY that tells us about commodity-money relations

          The same Herodotus writes in detail how much tribute Darius received from which satrapy. It is significant that in total it turns out only 3 times more than the king of tiny Judea Solomon did purely on transit trade, "riding" an important trade route (the balance from this trade is also accurately indicated in the Bible)!

          Quote: Bashibuzuk
          What could the kingdoms of the Persians, Egyptians and other super-duper peoples do well on? On oats and millet?

          Egypt is on wheat. Little Egypt fed the whole Roman Empire with a population of about 120 million people (for a moment, 60% of the population of the then world)! Productivity was 100: 1 (in the Crimea and the Kuban of those times - 30: 1)
    2. +1
      6 December 2018 11: 07
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      Is this, seriously, or something, venerable scientists believe that the Hallstadts made wheels with spokes for their wagons? How much then did this cart cost? In Asia and Africa there are still wheels on carts of solid boards, and here.

      Igor Vladimirovich, and for 1000 years before the Hallstatt soldiers the war chariots were only with knitting needles - otherwise they would have moved at the speed of a cart! That’s why the chariot cost a lot, and was found only among sufficiently developed nations, because at that time it was high-tech!

      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      As well as a two-ribbed helmet. This is, in its pure form, the initial chapel, or preMORION.

      As well as the Corinthian helmet. This is pure barbut! laughing
  10. +1
    5 December 2018 21: 00
    Thanks to the author. Come on.
    1. +2
      5 December 2018 22: 23
      To be continued!
      1. 0
        6 December 2018 13: 10
        Well, Vyacheslav Olegovich, I found these authors - Cato, Varro, Cicero I already have the book "Selected Speeches" at home, Sazerna and Columella -
        http://www.sno.pro1.ru/lib/antichnaya_civilizaciya/10.htm
        https://studfiles.net/preview/3934877/page:3/
        And what am I watching? Firstly, according to the works, these are pure agronomists, and those who control slaves - plant beans and cabbage, keep slaves in ergastules and beat mercilessly, because they are lazy. Sell ​​surplus and buy only the most necessary, but it is better to do everything yourself.
        These are not economists, not financiers - they are economists, simply put.
        Moreover, they unanimously reiterate the inefficiency of slave labor. They suggest switching to the type of late feudal or capitalist relations in general - latifundists and colonial tenants. Why ..... and what time is it written. I know the established dating, but ....... some questions, in short. Which they offer me to prove.
        And we, studying the three platforms of Marxism, what have we learned from there? Commodity production, mass, appears only in the conditions of division of labor and specialization - so, no?
        In the era of subsistence farming, of course, you can sell surpluses - if someone buys them (because that merchant has exactly the same surpluses), you can even sell artisan crafts - but here is a powerful state, with a powerful army and navy for the sale of homemade goods from you can’t build case by case. And this is exactly what I was talking about.
        And another link - https://studme.org/1029022820455/ekonomika/nalogi_antichnom_mire
        If you laugh, they did not collect taxes, because free citizens considered it a humiliation. Therefore, ". The costs of running the state were minimal, since the magistrates performed their positions free of charge, sometimes investing quite significant funds of their own. It was an honor ...." That would be our officials in Ancient Rome, right?
        The army also supported itself on its own, in campaigns and battles? Did the fleet build itself?
        In your opinion, is it worth believing?
  11. 0
    6 December 2018 00: 57
    Dagger with antenna top of the handle of the Hallstatt culture.

    and how could this really be used?
    round shape of a narrow handle and a wide blade.
  12. 0
    6 December 2018 19: 55
    Quote: Bashibuzuk
    Did the fleet build itself?
    In your opinion, is it worth believing?

    The Athenians built a fleet on the silver of Lavrion ...