Military Transport Aviation of Russia will receive X-NUMX An-60 aircraft

Military transport aviation (BTA) of Russia in 2014-2020. will receive 60 An-70 military transport aircraft (MTC). This was announced today by the commander of the BTA Lieutenant General Viktor Kachalkin.

According to the commander, the research and experimental design work (R & D) to create an MTC An-70 will be completed this year.

"Russia and Ukraine are creating operational-tactical military transport aircraft An-70. The end of R & D is expected this year. We very much expect to receive a new operational-tactical aircraft intended for the transport of personnel and perform other tasks," the commander emphasized.
“From 2014, we will start receiving IL-76MD90 (IL-476) transport aircraft and modernized IL-76D aircraft. We also plan to receive a new An-70,” he said.

According to the commander, before 2020, the BTA will also receive 25 heavy BTC An-124 in various modifications.

As Kachalkin stressed, the Russian BTA does not intend to acquire foreign-made aircraft. “Purchases of foreign equipment are not interesting for us, since domestic equipment fully meets our requirements,” he noted.

Thus, experts say, abandoning the An-70 project in 2006 due to the erroneous position of the former Air Force commander Vladimir Mikhailov, who stated that there is no need for such an average MTC with turbopropfan engines (TVVD) Russia returned to the Russian-Ukrainian program An-76, which is a direct competitor to the European A70M aircraft.

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[ivan 92]

Tsei litak is a symbol of the fact that Ukraine and Russia can still be better informed and have their own partnerships.

[Aleksey67]

The Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force changes and priorities immediately change, so we will go far ... Again, declare the supply of equipment on the basis of

The end of R&D is expected this year.

At least not prudently. The Government of Ukraine is underfunding Antonov Design Bureau.

"We work with Russia quite closely, including on the defense issue. We have created a joint venture with the United Aircraft Corporation of Russia, in which the An-70, An-124, An-140 programs are (implemented) - these are programs that are implemented for both commercial and military purposes, Russia has an armaments program, there is specific contracts, we are working with them "- said Dmitry Kiva, President, General Designer of Antonov State Enterprise.

At the same time, according to him, problems may arise in the activities of the joint venture due to unresolved certain domestic problems.

"For An-70, we have such a problem that we did not receive funding for completion (of works) from Ukrainealthough agreed to continue. But Russia pays. Russia pays us money, and we do the work, but we can’t do it in full, and this threatens fines for Ukraine", - said Kiva.

He recalled that the Russian Federation did not withdraw from the program to create an aircraft precisely because of the threat of penalties.

"When Russia wanted to leave this program, we (the Russians) were fined about 300 million dollars, as a result, they returned to the programsy, now they already have 60 of these planes in order, in the Russian armament program until 2020, "said the general director of the Antonov enterprise.

"Therefore, this issue (financing of the An-70 program), of course, needs to be addressed", - summed up Kiva.

He also told reporters that the current Ukrainian-Russian joint venture "operates on parity terms, 50 to 50 percent." According to Kiva, the work of the joint venture helps Ukrainian aircraft manufacturers to receive more orders.

“Today we have orders for more than a billion dollars,” he said, adding that the aviation joint venture is supported by the governments of both Ukraine and the Russian Federation.

Kiva confirmed the information appeared earlier in the media plans to create another joint venture with Russia for the serial production of An-148/158 aircraft.

"We are working in this direction ... The state of (affairs) today - there are documents, there are business plans that we are preparing. Accordingly, we need approval (of governments). This is preliminary work that we are doing. From how we show the effectiveness of these plans, their implementation will depend. Because we must show, first of all, to our government that it is effective, that it brings benefits, gives an increase in revenues to the treasury of our country, "said Kiva

ivan 92Can you express your thoughts in Russian? It’s not comme il faut on a Russian site to write on mov.

[Tersky]

Alexei, not everything is so neglected-TSAMTO, 29 of May. Ukraine and Russia should join forces to speedily prepare and sign an intergovernmental agreement on state support for the program for resuming serial production of An-124 aircraft.

About this, as Interfax-Ukraine reports, the Minister of Economic Development and Trade of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko said during the 10-th meeting of the Ukrainian-Russian inter-parliamentary commission on cooperation, which was held in Voronezh.

P. Poroshenko also drew attention to the need to solve the problems of joint production of An-148 and its modifications. According to him, "these aircraft have a very high manufacturing cost, which must be reduced."

In addition, the Minister stated the need to ensure the final work on the project for the creation of the An-70 aircraft. He proposed together with the Russian side to determine the sources and amounts of funding for the preparation of mass production of these aircraft.

P. Poroshenko said that the Ukrainian side is currently preparing a bill to amend the state budget to finance the production of An-70 aircraft.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Tersky

not so neglected

Victor, all statements by the state. Ukrainian officials now need to be perceived as pre-election slogans. They do not have money to pay off loans, I do not know whether the IMF agreed to a postponement or not, they need to spend quite good sums for the elections, and there are a lot of obligations with the Brazilians and the Iranians (which have been thrown for many years) with Russia. I don’t know, they used to shout "wolves" too much, that now no one believes, including me.

[Tersky]

Quote: Aleksey67

I don't know, they used to shout "wolves" too much

Certainly, but it can also help, if of course common sense leaps out. You can’t make endless shouts of dividends, people have learned to judge by deeds. Ultimately, in the event of endless defaults, the state officials of Ukraine will put Ukraine in a number of very unreliable countries. And you yourself understand how it can end for the latter.

[VAF]

Quote: Tersky

And you yourself understand how it can end for the latter.

Victor, Alexey, welcome, ++ !! Both

Each of you is RIGHT, but in this case it may not end very well for us, tk. An-12 is already on the "approach" and we will be left without a medium transport aircraft, because those extensions. which makes KUB Antonov up to 55 and there are already solutions up to 60 years old may end for purely technical reasons.
Because extension of An-12, these are different things compared to that. what do amers with Hercules or the Chinese with their "clone" An-12!

[Lord of the Sith]

Payments on loans are regularly held without delay!

[speedy]

I heard interesting information about the Ukrainian foreign debt on TV yesterday, it turns out from 140 billion dollars. now 60 billion is left - that is, in 2 years it has been paid off by 80 billion. , this is very encouraging and at the same time explains the current difficulties of Ukraine. In his first presidential term, Putin also raked the Augean stables after Yeltsin and repaid a huge foreign debt to get rid of the dictates of creditors. Until Yanek repays his debts, he is not free, but it does not seem to wait so long. We’ll build airplanes - this power loves to build!

[Aleksey67]

Quote: short-term

I heard interesting information about the Ukrainian foreign debt on TV yesterday, it turns out from 140 billion dollars. now 60 billion is left - that is, in 2 years it has been paid off by 80 billion.

Strange here is an article from March 2012

“Recent achievements are highly doubtful. The negative balance of foreign trade doubled - from 3 to 6 billion dollars. Also, the external debt of Ukraine has risen sharply lately - from 118 to 123 billion dollars. For two years of work of the Government of Mykola Azarov, debt has grown from 102 to 123 billion", The expert said.

Source: http://www.bagnet.org/news/economics/176276

[Lord of the Sith]

The IMF does not give loans to Ukraine for the second year, it’s all orange nonsense about increasing debt.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Sith Lord

The IMF does not give loans to Ukraine for the second year, it’s all orange nonsense about increasing debt.

Here are the words of Azarov (October 2011)

Today, Ukraine is still forced to borrow funds, as it has large internal and external debts.

Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov during a meeting of the III All-Ukrainian Congress of Educational Workers.

According to the prime minister, in Ukraine there is a “huge stranglehold of debts”. “Therefore, we are forced to continue to borrow, but borrow exactly as much as is necessary to repay debts. This forces us to negotiate with our creditors, including the IMF, ”Azarov quoted UNN as saying.

Recall that on October 24 of the current year, government debt servicing expenses amounted to UAH 17 million, incl. domestic - 927,2 12 million UAH and external - 643,9 5 million UAH.

Source http://focus.ua/economy/205590/

[makano]

You are playing in the best traditions of McFaul and Candoliza Rice, when they announced that Putin will commission Voronezh-M in Kaliningrad for advertising purposes ahead of the elections.

[Tatars]

A very good aircraft, especially for airborne airborne vehicles, consumes little fuel than IL-76. But we should not forget about the IL-76 as it has a large payload, the range of the turbojet engine

[huginn]

Operational-tactical An-70 and operational-strategic
IL-76, designed to perform completely different tasks.

[Splin]

Aircraft of the same class as the Il-476. Equal dimensions, carry almost equal weight. Il flies 80 kilometers faster than a kilometer. but An is a thousand more. It's just that at one time the Antonovites overdid it. They were ordered to replace the An-12, but they got this "fool". That's why he has such a complicated history. The plane is good in everything, but if it was accepted, why would Il?

[VAF]

Quote: Splin

Aircraft of the same class with IL-476

Absolute fallacy !!! Not a minus, because You can simply not know and not imagine!
1. The ability to "stuff" 40 tons is not yet evidence that they are of the same class.
And where with this weight can he fly ???? That is the question.
It is considered elementary: empty weight + fuel weight + but the rest is already an opportunity how much you can take cargo, because. RESTRICTION is the maximum weight of the aircraft.
Just according to Pupkin's arithmetic, take the numbers and add ....
And you will see the answer to the slice, but where did your 40 tons go ???
And here, consider the hourly fuel consumption (not forgetting the navigation and emergency stock and plus restrictions on the maximum landing weight — the number of landings with the maximum landing weight is STRICTLY limited and amounts to 1 to 2,% of the total number of landings for different types of aircraft!
Best regards

[VAF]

Quote: huginn

Operational-tactical An-70 and operational-strategic

Well done, +! He almost answered correctly, only the concept of "operational-strategic" does not exist a priori.
Tactical, operational tactical and strategic

[VAF]

Quote: Tatars

Very nice plane especially for airborne

I agree, +! And not only for the airborne ...

Just do not confuse An-70 and IL-76 - these are completely different class aircraft!

[Hysnik-Tsuzoy]

Quote: Aleksey67

It’s not comme il faut on a Russian site to write on mov.

Ukrainian literary language, within the syntax and 95% of grammar, is the same Russian literary, Pomeranian dialects of Russian are much more different from the literary Russian language. On the contrary, it’s good that the written language of the fraternal peoples sounds on the site. Enough separation already. Enough ethnocultural swagger. Russian or Ukrainian, Belarusian or Serb, what you tries ... the difference. A man in his native language, understandable to every Slav, shares his thoughts, and you pull him out - stupidly.

[Aleksey67]

Quote: Hysnik-Tsuzoy

On the contrary, it’s good that the written language of the fraternal peoples sounds on the site.

We are waiting for creativity in the Belarusian and Serbian language ... Also, do not restrain your creative impulse to the Tatars, Bashkirs, Chechens, Circassians. Write brothers

Quote: Hysnik-Tsuzoy

Enough ethnocultural swagger

And why did I offend the ethnic culture? Interestingly, in Ukraine there was a ban on showing films only with mandatory translation into Ukrainian?

Quote: Hysnik-Tsuzoy

A man in his native language, understandable to every Slav, shares his thoughts, and you pull him out - stupidly.

Does a person do not know Russian? For example, I was jarred when, during the time of Yusch, Ukrainian officials gave interviews to Russian correspondents in Ukrainian. Given the fact that by age it was visible KPSS figures who speak Russian much better.

[ivan 92]

I’m not born of the Soviet Union of Independent States, but in NON-GALLERY UKRAINE. They started, dearly movi for scho lingering. I’m not a victorious Russian. I don’t know thoroughly. I can have fun, but I want to change my mind, I want to. I want to keep quiet with you na jzyku polskim jaki j znam dobrze

[Aleksey67]

Quote: ivan 92

I’m not born of the Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union, but in NON-GALLERY UKRAINE

I have no more questions, as well as the desire to communicate

Quote: ivan 92

I will splurge with you na jzyku polskim jaki j znam dobrze

This is go to polish sites

[Gray-haired]

I do not see anything shameful that a Ukrainian who is worried about his Russian spelling writes in mov, but he understands in Russian.
That's right, but how else can he learn the Russian language, if he understands both Pshek and Russian, but is afraid to write.
Write, we will understand, but we won’t understand, we ask - there is an Internet for this.
Yes, and it’s not bad for us to read trochs on mov.
Russian and Ukrainian, as Psheks say there, is completely lousy.
There would be a desire.

[nemo778]

I read your comment from her husband. I myself was born in Ukraine from the Luhansk region and did not live in the USSR (USSR - UNION OF THE SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS write correctly) It is a shame not to know even for the Westerner. AND RUSSIAN LANGUAGE I know very well. And you Westerners got us. We sat all my life under Poland, then sit and be silent. You are collective farmers. And nobody needs your Polish. You are sick of us. Bring your order. And you organized the Orange Revolution together with the Americans. I'm minus you.

I read your comment from her husband. I was born and raised in the Lugansk region. I am 25 years old and I was not born in the USSR either. It is a shame not to know how the USSR is spelled - THE UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS, I KNOW THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE VERY GOOD AND I LOVE IT AS WELL AS UKRAINIAN. I am ashamed not to know, I can teach. You Westerners have reached us. sat under the Poles, then sit and be silent. you are farmers. And nobody needs your Polish. It was you who arranged the ORANGE REVOLUTION together with the Americans. AND I VERY LOVE MY HOMELAND BUT WITHOUT you.

[ivan 92]

Don’t be cunning with mathematical maths at the time of 2012 SRSR broke up in 1991 rock tobto 21 years ago and I am 25 years old and I, too, were not born in the USSR, Todi de Vi were born. Yak bi vi knew ukrainian mov todib knew so far in recession from the russian USSR on ukrainian to sound like the UNION OF THE RADIAN SOCIALIST REPUBLIC of the Republic of the Soviet Socialist Republic, osbisto I am not a supporter of Yushchenko’s Revolution WESTERN is a breach of the rules. The site is not instructed in the fence to give these visions. I live in Western Ukraine, metro Yavoriv. to your vidumo and not in the WESTERN. I don’t want to bring any order, I just want to have a fair ball and justice and tolerance of Ukrainian language, I’m a part of our culture, I don’t have any kind of culture about alleged brotherhood between the Russian people and the Ukrainian people not to speak

[zevs379]

Quote: ivan 92

I live in Western Ukraine m. Yavoriv. to your vidumo and not in the WESTERN. I don’t want to bring any order, I just want to have a fair ball and justice and tolerance of Ukrainian language, I’m a part of our culture, I don’t have any kind of culture about alleged brotherhood between the Russian people and the Ukrainian people not to speak

Vanya personally, I didn’t understand them. If I went to a Ukrainian site, I would try to write so that they understand me. And you only have a bunch of funny
words - it is impossible to catch the meaning.
We are discussing the topic of aviation here and not unraveling the charades

[speedy]

Well, you have tricked Vanka - you climbed onto the Russian site and you’ve got the rights to move! Okay, we’ve got used to both mov and surzhik, but for ordinary Russian people your pearls are nothing but gibberish ... if you had some fun with the English, you would have gotten a dialogue. You read an article, understand and go, and behave like a nonsense capricious woman. I am ashamed of you.

[13017]

Ivan you zadalbal with your national Svidomo Zhivesh in Ukraine GLORY UKRAINE a good country with an ancient history good people have something to be proud of But why show off a Russian site write in Russian so that people understand And then let a couple of romanized Moldovans and Iranian Azerbaijanis appear and it will be interesting to everyone to read comments Before the speech Ivan I myself Vinnitsa

[mark021105]

Quote: nemo778

USSR - UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS write correctly

It will be right "right")))

[makano]

Even generalissimo write here correctly. What are you surprised at?

[speedy]

Miracle Vanya, is it weak in Hungarian?

[Victor]

Quote: ivan 92

I’m not born of the Soviet Union of Independent States, but in NON-GALLERY UKRAINE. They started, dearly movi for scho lingering. I’m not a victorious Russian. I don’t know thoroughly. I can have fun, but I want to change my mind, I want to. I want to keep quiet with you na jzyku polskim jaki j znam dobrze

ivan 92 Ivan, you don’t really worry, most members of the forum understand the Ukrainian language (mov), so there is nothing to worry about. In the course of communication on the site, you will better learn the Russian language, and we will become more advanced in the Ukrainian language. Only in Polish is not necessary, Psheks no longer consider themselves brothers with the Slavic world.

[Captain45]

Don’t worry, Ivanko, although I was not born in SKIDNESS, but as a Slovenian you understood more than half of what was said, and I won’t ask what I don’t understand.

[anchonsha]

Yes, do not be like Ukrainian officials. And at the same time, the official must speak his own language, giving an interview ... So there is no need here to become in a pose when they speak your native language.

[lewerlin53rus]

It’s not bad that he wrote in Ukrainian, but it’s bad that he knows Polish better than Russian. Westerners are coming to Poland. I suspect that the pans will have them sooner or later, as it has been in history more than once. In vain Bogdan Khmelnitsky united Russia with Russia.

[ivan 92]

Poles for me not є no big deal and I ї н і к к ак ак ак ак н н н не і і буду буду буду я я я я я за за я я я я я я я я я я я я я я, я я поль поль є є є є є укра є є є є I can also be amazed at the same channel and the Russian channel (Until YOURS I know, I have a history for professional history and I know Ukrainian-Russian channels perfectly)

[Lord of the Sith]

Good day, Ivan. I’m interested in the question, do you agree with the law on regional languages? Here you would be allowed in Polish. And in 12 areas in the Russian language workflow and so on.

[Curculum]

Sith Lord, dear, I beg your pardon, but could you express yourself more correctly? What is "Russian" language? Will you find the article of the constitution yourself or should it be indicated?

[Lord of the Sith]

I apologize Russian

[Curculum]

ivan 92, Ivan, just don't need a Grushevsky story! Because the "Ukrainian-Russian stosunki" began not so long ago - from 1991, i.e. when the state "Ukraine" was defined within the boundaries adopted by the international community and it is possible to call such a "period" with a big pressure. Little Russia and New Russia were an integral part of Russia, and the Bolsheviks, especially after 1939, laid a time bomb, which contributed to the collapse of Russia (willingly or unwillingly).

[speedy]

Oh trouble for us with such historians, are you going to teach? Once I was so courted to teach history both at school and at a university, but when I looked at the textbooks I was horrified - it was impossible to imagine more nonsense, but I couldn’t teach my course. I didn’t take the sin on the children to mess up the brains ... But someone learned Vanya you ... trouble ... you definitely can’t build a plane with you.

[makano]

Yesterday I watched the NTV broadcast from Grozny: it is grandiose, it looks like a North Korean miracle. You should have seen Kadyrov sing his prayers with his people

[ivan 92]

Duce dyakoy for pidtrimka

[zevs379]

Piyshov u guzno !!!

[zevs379]

Duc for whom he writes - I personally understood 2 words and all though surzhik I understand by ear.


і Yakisno vikoristovuvati their partner partnership- what does this mean?

[Curculum]

zevs379, "to use their partnership opportunities in a quality manner."

[zevs379]

Thank you kind Kurkul!

[YARY]

But this bird (10 a year!) I like!
Airborne needed!

[nycsson]

How are we brainwashed by this 20 year ?! The whole performance will begin if not this year, so next year! Until 20 year still need to live!

[makano]

Aleksey67, Comilfo is a more foreign word for us, and in the light of Putin's visit to France, it is even more hostile to the Russian spirit than the recitative of a Ukrainian. Since now Rogozin wets two Moscow design bureaus, creating a reserve for the aviaOKB sponsored by him, not a single nationally oriented Russian will be like. It is enough to look at the territory of DIAMOND-ANTEYA to make sure that the robbery of material and scientific values ​​in the country has not ended. You, apparently, want to surpass Rogozin in the Russian language of the site. It was not difficult for me to attract additional brain convolutions to understand the essence of the opponent's statement and his sincere desire to preserve the potential of the aviation industry in Russia and Ukraine. Russian rulers have been ruining both the Russian and Ukrainian aviation industries for 20 years. AN-124 "Ruslan" was mass-produced in Kiev and it would have been so until now, but the question remains open. like gas prices

[general]

Uncle alexey67 - is “comme il faut” a Russian word?

[huginn]

Plus, but still follow the rules, the Russian language, although Ukrainian is understandable.

[Sehiru san]

And it is right. When we were cut into pieces, no one was asked. The princes wanted to become presidents ...

[saturn.mmm]

Translate from Ukrainian to Russian
This event is a symbol of the fact that Ukraine and Russia can nevertheless come to an agreement and fulfill their partnership opportunities in a quality manner.
And on my own, if this is true, then GOOD FELLOWS, it is high time.

[timurpl]

Since Tse Letak is called An-70, so put 70 of them at least ..

[Horde]

Tsey litak is a symbol of what Ukraine

I wonder if this "litak" of yours has been in use for how long and has the "plane" actually been replaced?

[NEOZ]

Quote: ivan 92

Цей літак is a symbol

what is there with the symbol?

[const72]

everything pleases, especially the 124th

[VAF]

Quote: const72

all happy

And what imeno- empty promises once again on the BTA ???

Quote: const72

especially the 124th

And here I agree it pleases that there is such a chic airplane and that at least with grief the CWR started to do in half! +!

[hrych]

Che, brothers are reunited, even for a start in aircraft construction. And the Amerpans have never created anything like Ruslan.

[darkman70]

Good news.

[Tersky]

The existing ANov fleet, it’s time to renew for a long time, for one relationship between Russia and Ukraine. Well, what a handsome man !!!!

And pay attention to the symbols on board !!

[sprut]

Handsome !!!

[hrych]

A swallow would say, but somehow it’s not appropriate in terms of size, rather a hippo.

[755962]

Quote: hrych

A swallow would say, but somehow it’s not appropriate in terms of size, rather a hippo.

The bow is like a killer whale.

[hrych]

Exactly, spilled !!!

[77bor1973]

the plane is good, it’s just not clear when, with our commander in chief, it began to decide whether or not to build the plane, in my opinion it’s much more complicated and not the least role is played by the change of president in Ukraine!

[13017]

Yes, the symbols are more cool than such symbols, and not only in aviation but in the Navy in tank standing, we would then build everyone. It may come that together we are strong

[speedy]

GOOD! We have been waiting for a long time - since 2001 we have been chewing reins!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Tersky

Well, what a handsome man !!!!

The photo is cool, I also really liked your Su-34 photo + and + for the comment.

[Tersky]

Quote: saturn.mmm

, I also really liked your photo Su-34 + and + for the comment

Thank you Michael ! But for the author’s photo you need to thank I kinda plagiarized

[VAF]

Quote: Tersky

And pay attention to the symbols on board

Victor, respect and respect, +++ !!!

[Tersky]

Quote: veteran.air force

Victor, respect and respect, +++ !!!

Sergey, not me , and to those who created it in the Russia + Ukraine alliance!

[kPoJluK2008]

Well! The matter now has reached the BTA.
You look, everything will work out.

[anfreezer]

There was still a lack of such a Soviet brand as "Antonov" pr ..... b, as with "YAK" s and "IL" s it turned out. It is not known how "TU" will be extended or not. It is necessary to cling to any possibility of preserving the great (I'm not afraid of this word) KB. Well, it's true, BEAUTIFUL!

[Cadet787]

Today, our relations are not very stable, and if tomorrow comes, what kind of Yushchenko will happen to the project? It seems to me that before making such decisions, it is necessary to build an appropriate relationship. And so I only for.

[boris.radevitch]

More of these planes!

[lotus04]

And what is ours not handsome? Who has nowhere to put money?

[Tersky]

Quote: lotus04

And what is ours not handsome? Who has nowhere to put money?

But who is talking about this! Of course yes ! AN (landing gear and powerful wing mechanization ensures the operation of the aircraft from both concrete and unpaved runways), TU-only concrete GDP.

[lotus04]

Quote: Tersky

TU-only concrete GDP

Our IL-76 fly all over the world, from the Arctic to Africa, and there seemed to be no problems with takeoff and landing. The Ministry of Emergency Situations flew everywhere. I do not know of a country where there would be no normal runway. Probably only in the country of "potato fields". Maybe, of course, such an aircraft is needed, as they say in a "fire case", but not in the amount of 60 units. On the west. parts will go broke.

[Tersky]

A significant number of components for the aircraft are produced in Russia - both avionics and rotors for the D-27 engine.

[lotus04]

Quote: Tersky

A significant number of components for the aircraft are produced in Russia - both avionics and rotors for the D-27 engine.

This is all well and good, but still not much of it is produced abroad. And this means that this "insignificant part" can instantly become very significant! That is, we can be left without components and the entire production will stop.

[VAF]

Quote: lotus04

but not in the amount of 60 units.

And what about the An-12th? And he is one of the foundations of BTA !!!

[755962]

Quote: Tersky

The landing gear and powerful wing mechanization ensures the operation of the aircraft from both concrete and unpaved runways

Landing IL 76 on ice

[Tersky]

Quote: 755962

Landing IL 76 on ice

Eugene, so the ice is hard, and the soil is not ...

[VAF]

Quote: Tersky

so the ice is hard, and the soil is not ...

Victor, +!
There are Artificial (ABVPP, BVPP, ZhVPP) and there are natural-soil, ice, etc.

[755962]

Quote: Tersky

So the ice is hard, and the soil is not soooo.

Victor, hello! I mean that the IL-76 was "worn" everywhere, so it was "marked" at the South Pole

[Nechai]

Quote: hrych

And the Amerpans have never created anything like Ruslan.

None of them, not in Europe, have NO knowledge and TECHNOLOGIES OF WORK with TITANIUM. If Russia (the Urals and Samara) stops deliveries of their respective components, their Arbus and dream liners will be covered with a copper basin. That’s why they’re shuffling around like that - on the one hand, these production capacities are vital for them, but on the other hand they cannot at all allow the Russians to occupy them with a different nomenclature - for theirs and the Ukrainian letak.

[Eugene]

why then do implants for fractures pose from Swiss titanium, and from Russian many people have problems later?
and what do you say on the SR-71?

[aspirin02]

Well, thank God they gave birth ......... I hope it will soon reach AN 225 .. from a strange people ... build missiles tanks together win tenders .. no .. everything is politicized that PPC ... all enterprises are not cooperate. firstly, next, secondly, everything is similar, in the third there is no language barrier ...... all fucking politics

[makano]

We cannot but agree with your surprise at the political perplexities that have arisen between the once friendly entities

[VAF]

Quote: aspirin02

Well, thank God they gave birth ......

Not yet .... unfortunately ..... The order has been placed in Ukraine .... for 3 pieces, but we have ... VASO has not yet "decided", but there is no one else by and large !! !

[Bort radist]

Good news. I plied on the AN-12. Good workaholic plane. True, easily removable equipment got to the fullest. Our regiment was one of the first to be transferred to IL-76. Power was felt in this car, but it seemed to be hanging on the landing.

[VAF]

Quote: Bort Radist

Power was felt in this car, but it seemed to be hanging on the landing.

Unambiguous, +! And besides power, there are also OPPORTUNITIES !!!!

[Aeneas]

Of course, having two IL-76-476 and An-70 transporters is very expensive and not rational. So Shaw Commander Mikhailov was right, although I myself am a Ukrainian and an An-79 patriot Another thing is that in the design bureau of Ilyushin, Yakovlev, like Tu or MiG, almost died out, to please Sukhoi. and Poghosyan .. And the IL-76 has no future. Ilyushin’s design bureau is dead, the serial plant remained abroad and Russia refused Tashkent. Fortunately, there are many IL-76s left in the troops and they can be upgraded to level 476, since the aircraft is practically the same.

[sergey69]

The IL-76 has a future. They took all the equipment from Tashkent to Ulyanovsk, modernized the airframe, made a new lightweight wing, digitized the cockpit, reduced the number of crew members, modernized the engine. Now this aircraft is undergoing statistical tests, it should soon take off.

[Aeneas]

whence infa that equipment was taken from Tashkent. there, on the contrary, the Uzbeks rested, so that Ily would continue to gather at them. Karimov would not have allowed such a disgrace.

[sergey69]

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/8382/

[Brother Sarych]

If the equipment was exported, then only in scrap metal ...

[VAF]

Quote: sergey69

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/8382/

Do you like in a children's saying (no offense, okay?)

I’m reading a book, but you see ...... or I heard a jingle, but don’t know where it is .....

Written in black and white -Tsagi !!!!

Ie PURGE in a wind tunnel !!!

[VAF]

Quote: Aeneas

there, on the contrary, the Uzbeks rested, so that Ily would continue to gather at them. Karimov would not have allowed such a disgrace.

Single +!

[VAF]

Quote: sergey69

The IL-76 has a future. They took all the equipment from Tashkent to Ulyanovsk

Here + for the future, but nobody takes out the equipment (Ostnask), because it is very very expensive !!!
Bought technical documentation.

Glider. which they do (ALWAYS one or two - to conduct tests for statics and dynamics - NEVER TAKE OFF !!!)

It soon has been going on for half a year — December-February-April — now it has been moved to June ...?!
So far, only "pokatushki" ... yes YYYAYA promises and articles!

[VAF]

Quote: Aeneas

IL-76-476 and An-70 are very expensive and not rational.

Absolutely WRONG !!!!!
Cars of a different class.! What are you going to or what do you propose to replace the An-12th ???
It is not rational to "beat" a heavy transporter on "short shoulders" !!!

Quote: Aeneas

And the IL-76 has no future.

The same is not true .... The future would be only WILL !!! Or an indication from ABOVE !!!

Quote: Aeneas

KB Ilyushin is dead,

This is generally complete nonsense and looks like ... a provocation !!!

Quote: Aeneas

IL-76 and they can be upgraded to level 476,

IL-476 is a newly assembled aircraft and it is completely senseless to upgrade the IL-76 to the level of 476 in full and is very expensive !!!

And that's why they "decided" to do 476, and not MF ... well, this is a question for politicians! "

[Igor]

It is better to do IL-476 and An-124 than this An-70.

Quote: veteran.air force

IL-476 is a newly assembled aircraft and it is completely senseless to upgrade the IL-76 to the level of 476 in full and is very expensive !!!

Well, of course, why do something if everything can be bought in the West or in Ukraine, because in order to create something you need a lot of money, trained personnel and colossal efforts. and Airbus. After all, we already have a "domestic" passenger plane-mountain, only VT will be the same.

[VAF]

Quote: Igorek

Well, of course, why do something if everything can be bought in the West or Ukraine

Igor, again you didn’t understand anything !!!
Do not get out of context ... ugly !!!
Everything is chewed there to such an extent that ... I don’t even know how else to explain, what would be more understandable ???
I’m writing that it’s more profitable to make a new one, and not try to finish the old one ... because. modernization in full requires a new wing, and this is also a re-arrangement of the OLD glider, which again leads to the development of the glider, etc.
Is it really not clear and in fact we will make a "new plane from the old Il-76" !!!
And where are you going to work and fatigue ?? Eraser erase or .... from scratch ???
It doesn’t happen !!!
That is why I am writing that it is more profitable to make a new 476 than to "upgrade" the old 76. And if you upgrade, then only partially, only the engine and avionics !!!
Read attentively!!!-!! Since I got angry for real

[755962]

Seryoga, don’t be angry!

[Igor]

And what else to do if these defective managers, instead of increasing capacity for serial production of the 476th, want to purchase the An-70, because this will put an end to the entire program of the 476th and to Ilyushin Design Bureau.

[Bort radist]

Why not rational? The worst option is a flight ban as a result of an discovered defect! But under the ban, IL works and vice versa.

[TekhnarMAF]

Different planes are important, different planes are needed! I think "orangeism" in Ukraine will soon be blown away and we have nothing to share but chains. We need to "stand" together against common opponents!

[Alekseev]

"Russian military transport aviation will receive 60 An-70 aircraft"
Is not a fact. Perhaps he will, if the country's leadership manages to reverse the situation in the defense industry complex, to direct it in a positive way. Interesting is the opinion of Yu. Lastochkin (who does not know, from 2001 to 2009 he was the head of NPO Saturn, and before that of Rybinsk Motors producing engines for Su, Tu, superjets, gas turbines for the Navy, etc.)
http://www.sevkray.ru/news/2/59517/

[sergey69]

In the Soviet Union, two aircraft in this class AN-12 and IL-76 were in service. they did not replace but complement each other. AN-70 was developed to replace the AN-12 analogue of American Hercules. The United States also has two different aircraft in service in this class. Hercules S-130 and Globmaster S-17. And the AN-12s were going to start production back in the early 2000s, but because of political problems this did not happen. I hope now we will succeed.

[Splin]

Yes, these are two heavy transporters, but they are completely different. The silt flew much faster and carried more than 2000 thousand kilometers further. And most importantly, he was wide-body.

[Splin]

A little bit like that. There were two wide-body aircraft. IL-76 and An-22. Here they just complemented each other. Later, An-124 joined them.

[sergey69]

AN-22 is the predecessor of Ruslan. The maximum target load of 60 kg and IL-000 about 76 kg, depending on version. These are aircraft of different classes. IL-40000 was developed to replace the AN-76-

[Splin]

And the An-12 takes only 20 tons. Addition is not in the amount of cargo but in its composition. Only Antei and Ily could take tanks, self-propelled guns and other cargo dimensions onto their sides.

[VAF]

Quote: Splin

And the An-12 takes only 20 tons.

Do not wishful thinking !!!
In order to match its capabilities -12 tons, overload 14 tons, there were cases and I know and saw (in Luanda, your fellow countrymen, they just couldn't, and then, after the launch ... the entire crew, with the exception of the commander, "left" through front hatch at the bow pillar)!
Because overloading is already money in the crew’s pocket, but such numbers only took place in Africa, and in Europe and even in the Emirates ...... fines will be punched that ... even up to depriving the operator of a certificate !!!

Antonov’s developments were and even were made by individual ones ... up to 20 tons and even 30 tons, but there are other motors - AI20D, DK, DM and screws ....

And about the cargo, I wrote in detail above, how to count.
For the An-12, the empty weight is from 36,5 to 40 tons, the weight of the fuel is from 16 to 21 tons, depending on the modification, but now all the living ones are the BC and PSU with the luggage compartment left. Take-off weight 61 tons, maximum 64T count everything else.
The hourly flow rate in a circle is 4 tons, the speed is 550 km / h at the optimum height for flow rate.
If below it is less, that’s the range !!!

[VAF]

Quote: sergey69

IL-76 was developed to replace the AN-12-

Again stupidity. Have you decided yet? And advice, read those on the tape from the top, I set out in such detail that ... all questions and misunderstanding should disappear from you like smoke!
Best regards,

[755962]

Quote: veteran.air force

I set out in such detail

Hi, hello. They probably don’t even read. Or superficially.

[VAF]

Quote: sergey69

AN-12 and IL-76. they did not replace but complement each other. AN-70 was developed to replace the AN-12 analogue of American Hercules.

Here +! Only again, they have different classes and each had its own purpose!

[sazhka0]

When I am "told" about a "bright" future, it raises doubts .. I understand that you cannot read newspapers in the morning. However, the policy of the authorities is annoying. To prohibit drinking, smoking, gathering .. It seems that IT has already been? Maybe I'm wrong? And how did it end.? A little distracted. So who will make these "toys" for you .. Some are gone, and those are far away ..

For veteran air force I respect you ..

[Cadet787]

On the pop-up sidebar "Map of the day", there is an article entitled "If tomorrow is war ?!", who is its author, for what purpose is it on the site? I recommend reading and expressing your opinion. Strange article.

[Igor]

Why do we need this An, if there is Il? It would be better instead, 60pcs. An-124 did.

[Splin]

Jewish answer. But is IL-476 needed if there is an An-70?

[Igor]

And why give money to the state, which practically did not finance this project, and even more so it is a competitor to the 476th, the whole history of this aircraft is saturated with corruption, various intrigues, etc. etc.

[Splin]

In order. firstly, the homemade aircraft is already flying. Secondly. 2 cars are already being assembled on slipways in Kiev. And what about the state ?. The development is Kharkov, and the financial burden is divided by the volume of required machines. No one paid extra for the intellectual component. God be with him, she agreed in due time. And now for the money. Three years ago there was a mirror situation. Russia is just not interested in the project, and the Kremlin lobbied for Il, although they were told by experts about AN. And than. They will collect it on the territory of Russia.

[otter]

The answer is just not Jewish, if you remove the emotions, then it is absolutely logical in the interests of the market and that’s why it’s not logical to make a competitor with your own hands, another thing, as I said above, (again, if I don’t confuse anything) they not competitors.

[Splin]

Complete competitors. Well, overdone in the 80s Antonovites.

[Igor]

Quote: Splin

In order. firstly, the homemade aircraft is already flying.

And the 476th flies.

Quote: Splin

What does the state have to do with it?

And who gave the money for this plane? Maybe Steve Jobs?

Quote: Splin

and the financial burden is divided by the volume of required cars.

Proof, come on.

Quote: Splin

Just Russia is not interested in the project, and the Kremlin lobbied Il

They refused him, because he costs twice as much as the 76th.

Quote: Splin

although specialists told them about AN.

And why is it better than the 476th?

The whole history of this An-70 is a solid black spot.

[Splin]

I got tired of writing. In order not to make you wait http://www.rusproject.org/current/current_1/an70
There are still a couple of advantages outside of the article. And it used to cost IL 2 times cheaper, and now it almost caught up with the price of An.

[Igor]

Quote: Splin

In order not to make you wait http://www.rusproject.org/current/current_1/an70
There are still a couple of advantages outside of the article.

Well, why do I need this article from a Putin hater who compares the An-70 with the IL-76 when I spoke about 476 Ile?

Quote: Splin

And it used to cost IL 2 times cheaper, and now it almost caught up with the price of An.

Proof, come on.

Quote: Splin

As far as I know, 476 does not fly anywhere yet, because the only instance supposedly 476 is a bit altered 76 of decent age. stuck with an export contract in Tashkent and then distilled to Ulyanovsk ...

No, IL-476 is completely made in Ulyanovsk: http://topwar.ru/10412-il-476.html

[VAF]

Quote: Igorek

Well, why do I need this article from a Putin hater who compares the An-70 with the Il-76,

Here is the absolute +!

Since besides Putin the hater, the author understands this in aviation ... well, as I am in ballet !!!

[Igor]

Quote: veteran.air force

Since besides Putin the hater

It’s not that the author is a Putin hater (I don’t like him myself), it’s just more about politics than about airplanes, and such a factor negatively affects the quality of the article.

[Brother Sarych]

As far as I know, 476 does not fly anywhere yet, because the only instance supposedly 476 is a bit altered 76 of decent age. stuck with an export contract in Tashkent and then distilled to Ulyanovsk ...
If this is not so, then I will VERY glad to make a mistake!

[VAF]

Quote: Brother Sarich

If this is not so, then I will be VERY glad to make a mistake!

Rejoice .... +! I was mistaken ... that the "exported" is not reassembled on the stocks in Ulyanovsk from ZERO started in 2009!

And the rest is almost right; no standard modernization flies yet, with the exception of the wing.

Two similar machines already exist (upgraded from TD) on one in the VTA, one in the Volga-Dnepr!

[VAF]

Quote: Igorek

And the 476th flies.

Igor, where ??? Tell me .... maybe as in anecdote about crocodiles ???

"... flies. flies .... only hefty ... low !!!!

[Igor]

Quote: veteran.air force

"... flies. flies .... only hefty ... low !!!

I admit my mistake

[lBEARl]

The plane is handsome! Can anyone translate to me what the gentleman from "Square" wrote, otherwise I don't speak Japanese ?!

[otter]

Well, as far as I know, by technical characteristics, they do not intersect, IMHO, I’m interested in something else, an-22, because it is also a unique aircraft, just in terms of technical characteristics, is it planned to upgrade it?

[Alexei-]

it seems like the entire reserve for modernization has been worked out, the AN-70 is cheaper

[Methodius]

It is time for Ukraine and Russia already (not to understand whose mov is better), but to do a common thing and pull the economy of both countries out of the swamp ...

[Alexei-]

Well, finally BORN

[Alekseev]

It is gratifying to see beautiful photos and read the optimistic comments.
But ... let's not be like an ostrich, with its head stuck in the sand. Propaganda also brings a lot of money to a number of stakeholders. An-70 is unlikely to fly in the Russian Air Force, and Ukraine too.
The reasons, in short, are:
1. The general state of the Russian aviation industry, there is nothing to say about Ukraine. Detailed opinion of a competent comrade: http://www.sevkray.ru/news/2/59517/
2. Non-compliance of the aircraft characteristics with the declared, extremely low reliability of D-27 engines
3. The aircraft belongs to the same class as the IL-76 (476), although it is, indeed, somewhat smaller, that is, it does not supplement, but competes.
Details on the website of the Russian Air Force http://www.airforce.ru/reportage/an-70/an-70.htm
4. Political risks. Ukraine still has not decided where to go?
As they used to say in the old days "under the Sultan of Tur, under the Moscow tsar, or under the Polish king"
I want it myself In order for the Air Force to receive a modern machine, but for this it is necessary that it be real, that it meets the requirements, there are all the possibilities for its production.

[Sehiru san]

Good news.

[Alexfly]

Where are the planes, Comrade Lieutenant General?

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

In the same place as Ukraine ... Move Antonov Design Bureau back!